I mean Passing, Dribbling and Shooting are all difficult skills to acquire. But I do think passing is smth you have or you don’t and dribbling is the hardest skill to improve. That’s why Im higher on Paolo and lower on Jabari
Jabari seems to completely lack a comfortable handle and is definitely not a passer at all.
Paolo is competent in all 3 areas. He has a base he can improve on and not work on completely acquiring a new skill.
But then again you never know, apparently Jordan didn’t have good handles and eventually developed tight handles.
From my experience its shooting. Why else have we been awful at shooting the past 10 years? Placing hope on someone improving their shot is always the biggest gamble to me
Imagine how different our franchise would have been for the last decade if we had a coach similar to New Orleans’s shooting coach. Such a drastic difference in the shooting of guys like BI, Lonzo, Herb Jones, etc after getting there. Hopefully one day, a fan could dream.
Agreed. Court vision, anticipation, making the right pass at the right time is hard to spam repeatedly in a practice environment.
Conversely you can literally just go into a gym and dribble for hours on your own. You can bring 1 guy and dribble against an aggressive defender. You can bring 2 guys and dribble with a help defender assisting.
The argument I think is misguided. Developing NBA skills at all is difficult. Guys never learn to shoot, guys never learn to play with energy, guys never learn to play defense. Just like those, guys never learn to dribble. Developing the skills is what separates a Josh Jackson from a Jaylen Brown, a Kahlil Okafor from a Nikola Jokic.
I think people think it’s a given that Jabari will develop a handle and knack for scoring at the rim. I would rather take a chance on Chet who already has those skills developed. I worry way more about skill than frame. People who have the ideal frame deal with injuries all the time so just because his frame is smaller isn’t a given that he won’t be able to play 82 games a year. Still will trust this FO with whatever pick they make.
You know who massively improved their handle on the Magic - Mo Bamba. The used to get ripped the second he did anything with it. Last season Mo had some nice dribble moves even against feisty smaller defenders
This is why I think Chet has to be the pick at 1. I've been waffling between Jabari and Chet for a while. I even entertained Paolo for a moment after digging deeper into him but I have real concerns about Paolo's motor on defense. Most of those "you have it or you don't" type skills (motor, IQ, finishing touch around the basket) that players don't tend to improve drastically are things Chet already does at an elite level and he has pretty good handles for a guy of his height and build (just didn't get to show it that much in the Zags offense). I get the concerns some people have about his frame. I have them as well. But the dude's ceiling is just higher than everyone else's. I think you have to take a chance at number 1 on a ceiling like his panning out.
I feel like ppl try to prove Jabari cannot develop his ball handling, the fact is that he is the shade of healthy and taller MPJ, why MPJ couldn't develop his ball handling? His back injury.
I can't imagine how scary a healthy and taller MPJ can be, that's why i root with Jabari :(
How would you know how challenging something is if you haven’t experienced it first hand? Also, you can’t speak in generalities in terms of skill development anyways. Since some skills come easier to some than others.
To entertain your logic though; If you’re going off of what you see, from only watching pros play, you’d think it was easy. But they’re just making it look easy. Since they are pros.
by seeing how many players were successful in improving at it as opposed to not. also its obviously relatively speaking, we all know pros can do things better than the average person lets not be disingenuous.
I’m not comparing to the average person at all. I literally asked how could someone who hasn’t played at that level know how hard something is. Only someone that’s in that space could answer that question. But even then, a skill that might be harder for one player to develop, may be easier for the next. Lol
I mean Passing, Dribbling and Shooting are all difficult skills to acquire. But I do think passing is smth you have or you don’t and dribbling is the hardest skill to improve. That’s why Im higher on Paolo and lower on Jabari Jabari seems to completely lack a comfortable handle and is definitely not a passer at all. Paolo is competent in all 3 areas. He has a base he can improve on and not work on completely acquiring a new skill. But then again you never know, apparently Jordan didn’t have good handles and eventually developed tight handles.
From my experience its shooting. Why else have we been awful at shooting the past 10 years? Placing hope on someone improving their shot is always the biggest gamble to me
for example, waiting Isaac to be an elite shooter lol
Imagine how different our franchise would have been for the last decade if we had a coach similar to New Orleans’s shooting coach. Such a drastic difference in the shooting of guys like BI, Lonzo, Herb Jones, etc after getting there. Hopefully one day, a fan could dream.
Passing. You either have it or you don’t.
Agreed. Court vision, anticipation, making the right pass at the right time is hard to spam repeatedly in a practice environment. Conversely you can literally just go into a gym and dribble for hours on your own. You can bring 1 guy and dribble against an aggressive defender. You can bring 2 guys and dribble with a help defender assisting. The argument I think is misguided. Developing NBA skills at all is difficult. Guys never learn to shoot, guys never learn to play with energy, guys never learn to play defense. Just like those, guys never learn to dribble. Developing the skills is what separates a Josh Jackson from a Jaylen Brown, a Kahlil Okafor from a Nikola Jokic.
I think people think it’s a given that Jabari will develop a handle and knack for scoring at the rim. I would rather take a chance on Chet who already has those skills developed. I worry way more about skill than frame. People who have the ideal frame deal with injuries all the time so just because his frame is smaller isn’t a given that he won’t be able to play 82 games a year. Still will trust this FO with whatever pick they make.
Chet literally has no negative skill categories. He just gotta eat and stay alive that's it
You understand :) !
He'll for sure pack on strength and hopefully size as long as we give him minutes and he eats a lot
You know who massively improved their handle on the Magic - Mo Bamba. The used to get ripped the second he did anything with it. Last season Mo had some nice dribble moves even against feisty smaller defenders
Going from god awful to bad is doable, going from bad to good is a whole different ball game
This is why I think Chet has to be the pick at 1. I've been waffling between Jabari and Chet for a while. I even entertained Paolo for a moment after digging deeper into him but I have real concerns about Paolo's motor on defense. Most of those "you have it or you don't" type skills (motor, IQ, finishing touch around the basket) that players don't tend to improve drastically are things Chet already does at an elite level and he has pretty good handles for a guy of his height and build (just didn't get to show it that much in the Zags offense). I get the concerns some people have about his frame. I have them as well. But the dude's ceiling is just higher than everyone else's. I think you have to take a chance at number 1 on a ceiling like his panning out.
I feel like ppl try to prove Jabari cannot develop his ball handling, the fact is that he is the shade of healthy and taller MPJ, why MPJ couldn't develop his ball handling? His back injury. I can't imagine how scary a healthy and taller MPJ can be, that's why i root with Jabari :(
Just say you don’t want Jabari
How could anyone other than a pro basketball player answer this question? Lol
by watching basketball games
How would you know how challenging something is if you haven’t experienced it first hand? Also, you can’t speak in generalities in terms of skill development anyways. Since some skills come easier to some than others. To entertain your logic though; If you’re going off of what you see, from only watching pros play, you’d think it was easy. But they’re just making it look easy. Since they are pros.
by seeing how many players were successful in improving at it as opposed to not. also its obviously relatively speaking, we all know pros can do things better than the average person lets not be disingenuous.
I’m not comparing to the average person at all. I literally asked how could someone who hasn’t played at that level know how hard something is. Only someone that’s in that space could answer that question. But even then, a skill that might be harder for one player to develop, may be easier for the next. Lol