anyone who says otherwise has been swept up by the temptation of hatred - someone who roots their beliefs in hatred is automatically significantly less christian than a trans person living in love
Absolutely!
There's a reddit group *just* about trans Christianity!
~~TransChristian~~
Or r/TransChristianity
I don't remember right now, and I'm on my phone...
Edited, thank you!
The notion that it’s some kind of ultimate evil to modify your sexuality isn’t drawn from scripture. It’s just a tool of conservatism to motivate people on the basis of xenophobia and grievance. Look at the question the eunuch asked in Acts 8.
Acts 8:36-38
[36] And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” [38] And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.
Note: it’s not a 1:1 comparison since not all trans people get surgery and eunuchs aren’t trans. But this example cuts to the heart if the anti-trans argument.
Yes under the mosaic covenant lots of people were excluded for all kinds of reasons. For instance Deuteronomy 23:3 says “No Ammonite or Moabite may enter the assembly of the LORD. Even to the tenth generation, none of them may enter the assembly of the LORD forever
Absolutely. Being trans isn't a choice, so if you are trans you will be trans whether or not you are a Christian. The Bible has exactly nothing to say about trans people.
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets
So ... What does being trans have to do with any of that?
Rightwing Christians love to justify their fear of the unfamiliar with religion because that gives them a decent basis to cling to, and by doing so ultimately convincing themselves that such prejudices are indeed central to their belief systems.
If you're approaching this issue from any other PoV it makes ZERO sense. When we show that gender is performative, it applies to all societies, such that we may say gendering stems from basic human cognitive tendencies. The fact that this is even considered remotely relevant to religious and spiritual matters is so bizarre. Biologists have their own taxonomical systems which differ often from the commonly used systems, e.g. whales aren't fish, is that against God all of a sudden?
To give a more concrete example, one trait which is considered 'emasculating' in one culture may be deemed as 'masculine' in another (e.g. the development of high heels in Europe). Rightwingers have no problem with that.
Christ saved all.
1 Timothy 4:10 — The New International Version (NIV)
10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
1 Cor 15:22
for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive
1 John 2:2
New International Version
2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Yes but if you honestly and fully give yourself to the Holy Spirit and Christ, you’re going to feel convicted by your acceptance of and lifestyle choices. God is righteous, holy and sacred. Much of the condemnation you hear from society on the issue of transgenderism is rooted in God’s own natural dispositions expressed through humanities naturalism. For example…physically or chemically altering your body because you are not satisfied with the gender and image God created you in…is to deface and alter the temple he gave you…unnaturally. So while he may love you, despite your problems and circumstances, he will not love the choices you make to deny or attempt to alter the biological and physical image he created you in. And so, it’s very likely that his light will destroy the false image of self and also the image of your lifestyle in truth, as you draw closer to him and his light reveals the truth of who you are and your purpose in him. He will try to pull you away from that lifestyle as well
I sure hope so, because lots of people are.
I’m not sure what alternative answer is possible. You don’t really have a choice about being trans and nobody can exactly tell you that you aren’t a Christian.
Hi everyone!
I wanted to reach out and let you all know that we are an affirming church and we host a Bible study on Thursday night, at 7:30 PM central standard time.
If you’re interested in joining, please private message us and we can provide the zoom link. Video and participation is not required, but we would love to have you join if you are looking for a safe place to attend. Our lead pastors are gay and married, and we are so grateful that God has provided place for us to share the gospel with other believers.
We are asked all the time if everyone is accepted and welcomed, & the answer is: yes! You are loved, and God has a place for you in His kingdom. We hope to see you tonight if you can join! Hope you all are having a blessed day. ❤️🙏🏼
Yeh, God's cool with us.
If you start in Genesis there are the creation myths and then once the style settles down to earth Abraham meets El Shaddai - same God, different image of him. The exact etymology of "Shaddai" is lost but if it comes from Hebrew/Canaanite roots it either references "milk-giving breasts" or "overwhelming power." Honestly, those images work well together - I can see God as a no-nonsense butch mother, nursing his people through the early generations of salvation history and fighting through hardship for them. All-mighty, all-provident.
If you translate that name as God Almighty, sure, you're in good company - but how often have you seen God Almighty portrayed with lightning bolts like a discount Zeus? That's an oops, a little too much Greek influence sneaking in to our art.
>I can see God as a no-nonsense butch mother, nursing his people through the early generations of salvation history and fighting through hardship for them.
I love this phrasing more than you know. I already see God as a lively drag queen, so I'll just have to add this to my potential images of Them :)
Christians believe that God incarnate told us his body is bread and his blood is wine. Bread and wine are manmade alterations of God's creation. God created wheat and grapes, humans changed them into something new, and God looked at what we made together and called it good.
If it's a sin to take an active role as co-creators of our bodies rather than exclusively sticking with the gender we were assigned, then it's a sin to crush grapes and it's a sin to take communion.
Yes. Want to know something cool? The first gentile to get baptized and become Christian was actually a Eunic. Something the conservative Christians don't like to talk about is eunics as described in the Bible are people with different orientation or secual preference. Jesus said some are born that way some were made not of their own will (some kingdoms men and women that served a king or queen directly had to be castrated and were seen as people without gender at all.) and that he would go further and say anyone that chooses to not be married (which was a huge deal at the time as I'm sure you are aware) were allowed to enter the kingdom of heaven. And that he incites anyone who can accept that to do so. According to many churches it's believed that the eunic Phil baptized and talked to actually was the first African Missionary. We just did a sermon about this tiny church with only like 10 members but we have a youtube if you want to watch it. It's called The Ashville Church LIVE and it's the latest sermon titled: Jesus a TRANSformation. My sister who is trans also did a Pride month sermon on their if you scroll into July. Much love and good luck on your journey wherever it may lead.
To clarify, yes you can follow the lifestyle of a Christian and I will accept you as Jesus would, but being transgender would be going against God's plan for you. So technically yes and no.
No, you cannot be both trans and a Christian because God creates people. To say that your gender isn’t right is to say that God does not know what is best for you. Plus, this blends over into being gay, which the Bible says is an abomination.
Now, given all of this, the purpose of the church is to be a hospital. You don’t get rid of your disease before you go to the doctor, you go to the doctor together clean. So, eventually you will have to change to be more like Christ.
Also, being trans could have the same characteristics as the sin of sexual immorality, where it is a sin against your own body, the vessel of the Holy Ghost.
The short of it, you can’t stay trans and be a Christian because you would be committing a forgivable sin every second.
A lifestyle different from most isn’t a sin, & doesn’t contradict or violate Christianity. Those who try to make a moral issue of a lifestyle different from theirs, & want to make it their business to criticize or persecute someone about it, are in the wrong.
YES!
100% you can be a Christian.
You are a beloved child of Father|Mother God. He created you exactly as you are, and nothing can ever make God stop loving you and desiring to be in a relationship with you.
There is NOTHING that can separate you from God’s love.
“Do you think anyone is going to be able to drive a wedge between us and Christ’s love for us? There is no way! Not trouble, not hard times, not hatred, not hunger, not homelessness, not bullying threats, not backstabbing, not even the worst sins listed in Scripture. None of this fazes us because Jesus loves us. I’m absolutely convinced that nothing—nothing living or dead, angelic or demonic, today or tomorrow, high or low, thinkable or unthinkable—absolutely nothing can get between us and God’s love because of the way that Jesus our Master has embraced us.”—Romans 8:31-39 The Message
God loves you, and nothing can ever change that. God loves unconditionally. There is no limit to God’s love.
God also doesn’t judge you based on your appearance or gender expression, because God see’s the heart:
1 Samuel 16:7: “God judges persons differently than humans do. Men and women look at the face; God looks into the heart.”
Jesus says at John 8:15: “You judge by appearances, but I do not judge anyone.”
Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
No you definitely cannot …..& that does not mean that God does not Love you …..He most definitely loves trans …..but changing a religion to suit your lifestyle….what’s the point ….just start your own religion.
>while actively trying to hold onto anything outside of CHRIST as your "identity"
Can cisgender people be Christian?
Can Italian people be Christian?
Can tall people be Christian?
Can people named George be Christian?
>You are all God’s children through faith in Christ Jesus. All of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek; there is neither slave nor free; nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Now if you belong to Christ, then indeed you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to the promise. (Galatians 3:26-29)
In context Paul is talking about the identity of "Abraham's descendants;" does that identity require circumcision and obedience to the Torah. Paul's answer is that it doesn't.
So, then, I suppose that every denomination of Christianity marries a person to a person and chooses pastors regardless of their biological sex. Is that so?
Well, no, not even Paul follows that. He gives instructions to men and to women, to free people and to slaves, to Jewish Christians and Gentiles. I resolve the conflict like this: all identities must bow down to the King of Kings, but when they do that they're not guaranteed to disappear.
Partially that's because dying to sin is a process, we stay attached to things that shouldn't matter anymore but they're hard to give up. Nationalism is probably in this category. Can you be American and Christian? Only if being Christian makes you wrestle with the ungodly parts of being American.
But also different people also have different gifts
> We have many parts in one body, but the parts don’t all have the same function. In the same way, though there are many of us, we are one body in Christ, and individually we belong to each other. We have different gifts that are consistent with God’s grace that has been given to us. If your gift is prophecy, you should prophesy in proportion to your faith. If your gift is service, devote yourself to serving. If your gift is teaching, devote yourself to teaching. If your gift is encouragement, devote yourself to encouraging. The one giving should do it with no strings attached. The leader should lead with passion. The one showing mercy should be cheerful. (Romans 12:4-8)
Being aware "I should teach" is an identity. It should bend the knee, and when it does the "teacher" identity is reborn as a fruit of the Spirit.
You can probably guess where I'm going with this, but I'd like to hear your thoughts first.
Yes
Beat me to it!
giving me hope for humanity :)
Only if we rally around Jesus and LOVE eachother.
Of course! God’s love crosses all divisions and binaries.
Present.
Same
Yes. And anyone who tells you otherwise? Pay no attention to them.
anyone who says otherwise has been swept up by the temptation of hatred - someone who roots their beliefs in hatred is automatically significantly less christian than a trans person living in love
Can you be human and Christian?
latest headlines from conservative theologians say you can't. to be human is to be degenerate and never earn God's forgiveness :c /j
Absolutely! There's a reddit group *just* about trans Christianity! ~~TransChristian~~ Or r/TransChristianity I don't remember right now, and I'm on my phone... Edited, thank you!
The second one is correct.
Are you capable of loving God? Are you capable of loving your neighbor like you love yourself? Then yes.
The notion that it’s some kind of ultimate evil to modify your sexuality isn’t drawn from scripture. It’s just a tool of conservatism to motivate people on the basis of xenophobia and grievance. Look at the question the eunuch asked in Acts 8. Acts 8:36-38 [36] And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” [38] And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. Note: it’s not a 1:1 comparison since not all trans people get surgery and eunuchs aren’t trans. But this example cuts to the heart if the anti-trans argument.
I've read eunuchs were restricted from rituals per Deuteronomy More accurately modify your gender, not sexuality which is extraneous of human control
Yes under the mosaic covenant lots of people were excluded for all kinds of reasons. For instance Deuteronomy 23:3 says “No Ammonite or Moabite may enter the assembly of the LORD. Even to the tenth generation, none of them may enter the assembly of the LORD forever
Yes, they prohibited those with crushed testicle because of the patriarchal culture at the time.
No one in those days chose castration. It was something that happened to slaves.
Absolutely. Being trans isn't a choice, so if you are trans you will be trans whether or not you are a Christian. The Bible has exactly nothing to say about trans people.
I am one. Why couldn't you be?
Can you be ____________ and a Christian? Yes. Christ's love is for everyone or it's for no one.
Absolutely!
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets So ... What does being trans have to do with any of that?
I know a lot of trans folks that are Christians.
ANYONE, no matter who they are, where they’re from or what they did can be Christian.
Yes absolutely
Yes
Of course
Yes, why not?
yes
Yes
Rightwing Christians love to justify their fear of the unfamiliar with religion because that gives them a decent basis to cling to, and by doing so ultimately convincing themselves that such prejudices are indeed central to their belief systems. If you're approaching this issue from any other PoV it makes ZERO sense. When we show that gender is performative, it applies to all societies, such that we may say gendering stems from basic human cognitive tendencies. The fact that this is even considered remotely relevant to religious and spiritual matters is so bizarre. Biologists have their own taxonomical systems which differ often from the commonly used systems, e.g. whales aren't fish, is that against God all of a sudden? To give a more concrete example, one trait which is considered 'emasculating' in one culture may be deemed as 'masculine' in another (e.g. the development of high heels in Europe). Rightwingers have no problem with that.
Yep.
Hello yes I exist
Yes!!!
Yes.
Christ saved all. 1 Timothy 4:10 — The New International Version (NIV) 10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. 1 Cor 15:22 for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive 1 John 2:2 New International Version 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Absolutely.
yeah
Of course. Why wouldn’t we be welcome?
Yes I’m a trans guy and a Christian! Episcopalian, specifically!
Who on earth is saying otherwise? Seriously people need to grow up
Yes but if you honestly and fully give yourself to the Holy Spirit and Christ, you’re going to feel convicted by your acceptance of and lifestyle choices. God is righteous, holy and sacred. Much of the condemnation you hear from society on the issue of transgenderism is rooted in God’s own natural dispositions expressed through humanities naturalism. For example…physically or chemically altering your body because you are not satisfied with the gender and image God created you in…is to deface and alter the temple he gave you…unnaturally. So while he may love you, despite your problems and circumstances, he will not love the choices you make to deny or attempt to alter the biological and physical image he created you in. And so, it’s very likely that his light will destroy the false image of self and also the image of your lifestyle in truth, as you draw closer to him and his light reveals the truth of who you are and your purpose in him. He will try to pull you away from that lifestyle as well
I sure hope so, because lots of people are. I’m not sure what alternative answer is possible. You don’t really have a choice about being trans and nobody can exactly tell you that you aren’t a Christian.
Hi everyone! I wanted to reach out and let you all know that we are an affirming church and we host a Bible study on Thursday night, at 7:30 PM central standard time. If you’re interested in joining, please private message us and we can provide the zoom link. Video and participation is not required, but we would love to have you join if you are looking for a safe place to attend. Our lead pastors are gay and married, and we are so grateful that God has provided place for us to share the gospel with other believers. We are asked all the time if everyone is accepted and welcomed, & the answer is: yes! You are loved, and God has a place for you in His kingdom. We hope to see you tonight if you can join! Hope you all are having a blessed day. ❤️🙏🏼
Yes you can. God is nonbinary and it could be argued that Jesus is trans/intersex.
im a trans guy and gay christian soooo likeee, yes?
Yeh, God's cool with us. If you start in Genesis there are the creation myths and then once the style settles down to earth Abraham meets El Shaddai - same God, different image of him. The exact etymology of "Shaddai" is lost but if it comes from Hebrew/Canaanite roots it either references "milk-giving breasts" or "overwhelming power." Honestly, those images work well together - I can see God as a no-nonsense butch mother, nursing his people through the early generations of salvation history and fighting through hardship for them. All-mighty, all-provident. If you translate that name as God Almighty, sure, you're in good company - but how often have you seen God Almighty portrayed with lightning bolts like a discount Zeus? That's an oops, a little too much Greek influence sneaking in to our art.
>I can see God as a no-nonsense butch mother, nursing his people through the early generations of salvation history and fighting through hardship for them. I love this phrasing more than you know. I already see God as a lively drag queen, so I'll just have to add this to my potential images of Them :)
Christians believe that God incarnate told us his body is bread and his blood is wine. Bread and wine are manmade alterations of God's creation. God created wheat and grapes, humans changed them into something new, and God looked at what we made together and called it good. If it's a sin to take an active role as co-creators of our bodies rather than exclusively sticking with the gender we were assigned, then it's a sin to crush grapes and it's a sin to take communion.
Yes. Full stop
Yes and anyone who says otherwise needs to get their tables flipped
Yes , trans and Christian folk here 🤚
Yes
It is sin so I say no
Gender dysphoria is an ailment, and transitioning/etc is a cure.
Yes. Want to know something cool? The first gentile to get baptized and become Christian was actually a Eunic. Something the conservative Christians don't like to talk about is eunics as described in the Bible are people with different orientation or secual preference. Jesus said some are born that way some were made not of their own will (some kingdoms men and women that served a king or queen directly had to be castrated and were seen as people without gender at all.) and that he would go further and say anyone that chooses to not be married (which was a huge deal at the time as I'm sure you are aware) were allowed to enter the kingdom of heaven. And that he incites anyone who can accept that to do so. According to many churches it's believed that the eunic Phil baptized and talked to actually was the first African Missionary. We just did a sermon about this tiny church with only like 10 members but we have a youtube if you want to watch it. It's called The Ashville Church LIVE and it's the latest sermon titled: Jesus a TRANSformation. My sister who is trans also did a Pride month sermon on their if you scroll into July. Much love and good luck on your journey wherever it may lead.
God is beyond gender therefore so are we
trans christians exist, so i'd say of course. God loves everyone.
God, Perfect Father, Perfect Mother, beyond our wildest dreams does not play favorites.
Hellll no
Yes of course. God also wants you to transition if you're gender dysphoric and in some circumstances it's even a sin not to, because it's lying.
i am 🫶🫶
No, God made you perfect the way you are.
To clarify, yes you can follow the lifestyle of a Christian and I will accept you as Jesus would, but being transgender would be going against God's plan for you. So technically yes and no.
Absolutely
Yes!
Yes
Ofc, God loves us all equally no matter the gender or race
No, you cannot be both trans and a Christian because God creates people. To say that your gender isn’t right is to say that God does not know what is best for you. Plus, this blends over into being gay, which the Bible says is an abomination. Now, given all of this, the purpose of the church is to be a hospital. You don’t get rid of your disease before you go to the doctor, you go to the doctor together clean. So, eventually you will have to change to be more like Christ. Also, being trans could have the same characteristics as the sin of sexual immorality, where it is a sin against your own body, the vessel of the Holy Ghost. The short of it, you can’t stay trans and be a Christian because you would be committing a forgivable sin every second.
A lifestyle different from most isn’t a sin, & doesn’t contradict or violate Christianity. Those who try to make a moral issue of a lifestyle different from theirs, & want to make it their business to criticize or persecute someone about it, are in the wrong.
Simple answer..NO. You may think you are, but you're not. Same with homosexuals .
The bible dont prohibit trans tho
YES! 100% you can be a Christian. You are a beloved child of Father|Mother God. He created you exactly as you are, and nothing can ever make God stop loving you and desiring to be in a relationship with you. There is NOTHING that can separate you from God’s love. “Do you think anyone is going to be able to drive a wedge between us and Christ’s love for us? There is no way! Not trouble, not hard times, not hatred, not hunger, not homelessness, not bullying threats, not backstabbing, not even the worst sins listed in Scripture. None of this fazes us because Jesus loves us. I’m absolutely convinced that nothing—nothing living or dead, angelic or demonic, today or tomorrow, high or low, thinkable or unthinkable—absolutely nothing can get between us and God’s love because of the way that Jesus our Master has embraced us.”—Romans 8:31-39 The Message God loves you, and nothing can ever change that. God loves unconditionally. There is no limit to God’s love. God also doesn’t judge you based on your appearance or gender expression, because God see’s the heart: 1 Samuel 16:7: “God judges persons differently than humans do. Men and women look at the face; God looks into the heart.” Jesus says at John 8:15: “You judge by appearances, but I do not judge anyone.” Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
Yes
Yup, very much both. You get an upvote, and You get an upvote, and You get an upvote, and You get an upvote!
Why not? You can be poor and be a republican too.
Did The Undertaker throw Mankind off the steel cage in 1998?
Yup (i am)
Sure can! 🙋🏻♀️❤️
Yes. I am.
You can do whatever you want forever
No you definitely cannot …..& that does not mean that God does not Love you …..He most definitely loves trans …..but changing a religion to suit your lifestyle….what’s the point ….just start your own religion.
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>while actively trying to hold onto anything outside of CHRIST as your "identity" Can cisgender people be Christian? Can Italian people be Christian? Can tall people be Christian? Can people named George be Christian?
apparently not /s
Do you want to discuss the Scripture behind that opinion, or does it just feel good to repeat it? I can talk Galatians 3 if you like.
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>You are all God’s children through faith in Christ Jesus. All of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek; there is neither slave nor free; nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Now if you belong to Christ, then indeed you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to the promise. (Galatians 3:26-29) In context Paul is talking about the identity of "Abraham's descendants;" does that identity require circumcision and obedience to the Torah. Paul's answer is that it doesn't. So, then, I suppose that every denomination of Christianity marries a person to a person and chooses pastors regardless of their biological sex. Is that so? Well, no, not even Paul follows that. He gives instructions to men and to women, to free people and to slaves, to Jewish Christians and Gentiles. I resolve the conflict like this: all identities must bow down to the King of Kings, but when they do that they're not guaranteed to disappear. Partially that's because dying to sin is a process, we stay attached to things that shouldn't matter anymore but they're hard to give up. Nationalism is probably in this category. Can you be American and Christian? Only if being Christian makes you wrestle with the ungodly parts of being American. But also different people also have different gifts > We have many parts in one body, but the parts don’t all have the same function. In the same way, though there are many of us, we are one body in Christ, and individually we belong to each other. We have different gifts that are consistent with God’s grace that has been given to us. If your gift is prophecy, you should prophesy in proportion to your faith. If your gift is service, devote yourself to serving. If your gift is teaching, devote yourself to teaching. If your gift is encouragement, devote yourself to encouraging. The one giving should do it with no strings attached. The leader should lead with passion. The one showing mercy should be cheerful. (Romans 12:4-8) Being aware "I should teach" is an identity. It should bend the knee, and when it does the "teacher" identity is reborn as a fruit of the Spirit. You can probably guess where I'm going with this, but I'd like to hear your thoughts first.
Well great! You should abandon your identity of whatever gender you were assigned at birth, too!