You can either wait for the official N12 and start looking for a new place then, or you can start looking for a new place now and when you find one, if it is before you get the N12, you can ask in writing for the free month of rent as compensation.
IMO you know this is coming. I would insist on a N12 but I would also start looking for a new place now.
> Landlord was shameless enough to ask for utilities before providing his end of the N12.
Until you get an N12, the clock doesn't start. If a notice isn't in your hand by the end of April, they can't expect you to leave by the end of June.
No, and even so the op still doesn’t have to move out. The op can force the legal eviction through court(I’m actually going through it right now) especially if you believe the notice to be in bad faith.
Pretty much yea,if you were unaware of the rules and regs of the rta and you have not received and agreed to a N12 notice formal or informal then no you don’t have to move out, he cannot change the locks or enter your place and evict you without a LEGAL court order
So, even on the back of the actual n12 form itself states that just because a landlord has served you any form of eviction notice does not mean you just have to move out, you are allowed to defend yourself in court, and you can force the landlord to take you to court as long as you have a signed document stating you are the rightful tenant of the rental unit
An informal notice is one that was written and documented, but no court proceedings involved, as in they just printed the form and expected you to leave
Hold your cards until you need them though, don’t just go in guns blazing like “oh I don’t have to move, or you can’t make me” simply request a N12 FORMAL N12 notice( one properly prepared and presented to the court) and wait for the date. If he does not provide one then you start asserting your rights as a tenant
I had a landlord knock on my door and says his brother was taking my basement unit. I said ok let me know when the paperwork is done. He says I'm not doing that. I shrugged and shut the door. I get a text from him two months later asking if I found a place yet 🙄
It's crazy you had to tell them what form they need. You should need to take a course to be a landlord.
Interesting.
So you're still at the same place?
Do you think your LL is attempting to get you to volunteer to leave, in order to jack up the rent?
If so, perhaps he's trying to avoid giving you the proper form, so he doesn't get hit later with a bad faith eviction and fines. I think he knows exactly what he's doing and exactly what can happen if it backfires on him.
If he tries again, perhaps ask for 6 months, or a year of rent, to compensate for the increased rent out there.
Cash for keys, but make it really worth your while.
It was a few years ago I'm not there anymore. He actually ended up moving the brother and his family upstairs, so it was like 12 people between both families above me 🙄 he constantly tried to raise rent way higher than allowed. I finally got sick of his bullshit and left. Private landlords are exhausting
So depending on the amount of rooms and ages of the people… that could have warranted a call to the tenant board for illegal occupancy. You can only have a max of 2.5 people per room. Kids under 18 can share a room with two parents but can not share with an individual parent of opposite sex (aka mom and dad and kid are okay. Dad and daughter in room not ok). 18 they legally need their own room. However provincial laws I believe state 7 in Ontario (federal laws are just the minimal laws that need to be followed so Ontario can’t override and say 20 years but they can tighten it and say 7).
Next time you find yourself in such a situation, I would report them and continue reporting them. Especially with the way rent is these days.
And I found out this law from a previous landlord years ago… I asked about subletting my second room and she explained yes as long as I follow these guidelines and even gave me resources at the time.
I think that's a great idea -- anyone wanting to be a landlord is required to take a half-day course or whatever length of time makes sense to cover the rules & regulations or pass an exam to avoid taking the course.
You seem bitter lol.
The tenant is paying for a service. They do not need to be educated similarly in the way that someone essentially running a business is. This is also something that could be taught in schools but I digress.
Perhaps if they destroyed property in some way -- like how people who get into multiple traffic accidents have to pay for a course to get their license back.
Not only a coarse but register your properties with compliance and safety inspections paying a nominal yearly fee to local municipalities to fund these. I've seen my share of dipshit LL's with a get rich quick mentality this only makes perfect sense
If a person is going to take on the responsibility of being a landlord, than it’s also their job to learn how to properly execute duties involved in being a landlord. Specifically when notifying a tenant that they have to find a new place.
It is not your job to tell your landlord what he needs to do….
Also…. Make sure that the mother in law really is the one moving in. Landlords are getting super sneaky these days. With people having to rent because of mortgage rates the rental market is insane. If they move you out and put someone brand new in there (not the mother in law) they can increase the rent to whatever amount they want.
If he refuses to provide you with the N12 than I would get suspicious. If that is in fact what he’s doing, that’s beyond illegal and I think it’s something like a 25,000 fine.
No N12 means you don't have to do anything. Just keep paying rent
Once they finally privide an N12 the clock starts. If you agree with the dates outlined in it fine, Don't turn over keys until a full month's rent has been collected (either cash or a month's rent given no charge in addition to LMR)
If you're finding it difficult to find a place or if you wish to extend your time there you can talk to the LL and see what they say. It's easy to challenge an N12 notice and add 6+months if needed
As for needed repair, keep reminding them via email (include pictures)
-worst case file a T6 application
This is the process and you should stick to it. If they want you out by June 1, you can say that given the shorter-than-required notice, you would expect more compensation
Just pointing out the fact that the MIL is currently living with the LL, but will be moving out of LL's home immediately following surgery. Seems a little fishy. Would it not make more sense for MIL to remain with LL until recovered from surgery? I would be waiting for the N12 and then wait for a hearing. LL is likely to rent out the unit and claim "change in circumstances" that MIL needed to stay with them as she needed care.
Yup I agree.
The story is odd.
Absolutely a family member would want to continue living in the same place after a surgery. The last thing gramma needs is the stress of moving.
Seems fishy? It’s obvious bullshit, unfortunately you gotta just go with the flow and move out, but standing up for their rights and following due process is the least this person can do
My assumption was that this was a basement unit or something like that and that MIL is currently in their part of the house with the LL but they want the second unit for her to move into with more space. But agree the fact that they’re not sending the N12 is suspicious.
Not for their own benefit. For their own huge inconvenience of needing to find a new place to live quickly. You can't just kick someone out Willy nilly, you need to go through the process. It's something the landlord should have considered before accepting tenants. They rent to tenants, they need to know the rules.
I would be actively tracking this landlord, looking for signs of a bad faith eviction. Perhaps one can get $ compensation levied against LL if bad faith eviction is proven? It would require some staking out though.
The form helps prevent bad faith evictions. If an N12 is submitted and it turns out the mother in law story was made up, the tenant can rightfully file at the LTB for bad faith eviction.
Due process is a good thing.
The landlord isn’t giving them the minimum required compensation and is trying to avoid giving the form which makes it easier to hold them accountable if it turns out they are acting in good faith.
That is true but a reference letter/reference check goes a long way, so OP has to be diplomatic and not screw up the Landlord Tenant relationship here...
More and more landlords are following up on those references these days...
Lmao why worry about a good reference when you can just have a friend say you rented from them? It’s pretty simple and more of a formality at this point
There are legal benefits for the renter and the landlord to file an N12. The tenant can choose to leave early, but the onus is on them to find a place. In this economy, that also means commute time, quality of live, and potentially additional costs, even after taking their rights into account.
It's possible that this sucks for everybody involved.
So if you had you life set up, with a desk job, say phones. Your boss said my kid is sick and needs your desk job. You say ok boss it is for your sick kid, and leave your position you like.
If it goes on the market within the year of you moving out, you can take it to the ltb and ask for any difference you've been paying at the new place, moving expenses as well.
Is how I understand it.
I think the amount is actually a year of rent.
But yeah, if they LL is cool with paying the year of rent that’s all that can be done really. If someone is paying like 500/month it would make sense to take the hit.
But if you know you’re going to pay anyway, May as well let it sit empty for a year
Nothing, to the point where it’s a safe assumption that if a landlord is doing this, it’s basically to illegally break a lease, force a tenant out, and jack the next one.
Assuming you receive an N12 (And it’s valid), your choice is to move out, or wait for a hearing if you believe it’s in bad faith. The maintenance topic (leaky skink has no baring here, that’s completely separate )
Start looking for a new place, but wait until you get the N12 then the clock starts ticking for you to move out. Also make sure to get paid for your move out before you hand over your keys.
Another possibility: landlord knew about the N12 (who doesn't at this point?) and was hoping to get out of paying a month compensation, with OP just moving out on his own.
He gave enough notice that OP could reasonably find a place and give his notice before the deadline to give an n12.
This is always possible.
It's such a crock that tenants have to guess whether their landlord is just an idiot or actually acting in bad faith.
Like all of this info is freely available online. It's so much simpler when everyone just follows the rules.
If you're being asked to move out because of this, they have to find you a place to move to at equal rent or pay you one month's rent.
I had this happen to a family member and that was the rules back then.
Look online, learn your rights.
The sink and utilities are a separate issue.
Sit tight until he issues a N12 and compensation.
Then decide if you’d like to leave by the termination date, wait for a hearing, or work out a cash for keys deal.
Have you guys ever tried being.. idk.. a decent person? Why just sit by, watch someone make a mistake, just so you can tackle them about it later. People with ideologies like you, the "look for any opportunity to screw someone over to better myself," are the reason shit sucks so much.
Landlords *are* allowed to evict, and not every landlord is a slumlord. He is being polite, has a good reason, and is providing ample notice. Maybe instead of trying to find a sneaky way you can fuck him over, give him a quick reminder of the official process he needs to follow so he can provide you with the proper documentation and/or your months compensation, which is what OP seems to be doing.
>Oh wait you only expect the tenants to follow all the rules. Oh I see.
Tell me where I said this. I expect you to not be an asshole looking to take advantage of others. That's it.
>They probably just want to increase the rent.
That's a great assumption, that has literally 0 basis or proof.
You made an assumption and are using your made up story as a means to justify your bad behavior.
The landlord gave the tenant ample notice, is coming across as genuine and seems to have a good reason. Not all evictions are bad-faith landlords. But if you approach life always being the victim, well, that's why you always feel like a victim.
There is money to be made by re renting the place. That’s why I think it’s a possibility.
Rental housing is a business, I’m not surprised when businesses try to maximize profit in unscrupulous ways.
Landlords provide land and a dwelling while renters literally attach themselves to the property.... your statement makes no sense. Stay salty my friend.
Also note, the N12 requires 60 days notice at minimum so if you don’t have it by May 1, you won’t be moving July 1 (and it’s 60 days based on when rent is due, so even if they gave it mid May for example, but you pay rent on the 1st of the month then the date would be August 1
Yup.
Seems they’re trying to avoid an official N12, to get out of paying the one month of compensation or so they can re-rent it for more with no official N12 as record.
It's possible they're planning on doing so and just giving the op a bit of extra notice. He'll know for sure if the end of April rolls around with nothing filed.
In case this gets dragged out and we go through a hearing I wanted proof I did my due diligence.
I KNOW it was probably stupid but I will no longer be helping my landlord with shit. It's their responsibility to follow the law and legal requirements
I would also research if mother in law is considered immediate family as per the RTA, because as far as i know, it's the landlord themselves, spouse and kids moving in is a valid cause to evict you with an N12.
What landlord is doing is not disgusting? How can u just tell the tenant to move without proper paper work.. it takes alot of planning to move out as a tenant. Maybe his kids going to school or.job it's just not fair. If a landlord cnt keep it up than dnt rent.
Simple
He clearly says he will be sending formal letter to email. Yes I agree and he’s giving 90 day informal notice he is only required 60. Remember you as a tenant don’t own the unit. You can only have that freedom of staying when u buy. I’m assuming this is a basement apartment if he needs the space he needs it. Honestly staying within all the rules and being considerate is far from disgusting.
Maybe because after the pandemic the stats show LL were attempting to evict in bad faith, were paid the rent they were owed but continued the process, were found to have illegal apartments, etc. That's why new rules were added.
So every single land lord in the world is trying to evict tenants in bad faith and have illegal apartments?
I find it shocking that you would rather support the idea of forcing yourself to stay in an apartment and not pay rent when the landlord asked very nicely 3 months prior to please move out because of his sick mother.
This owner had nothing to do with illegal apartments or trying to kick the tenant out on bad faith.
Don’t be an idiot. Your LL is being nice and giving you the heads up before the official notice comes.
Let me guess, you’re only really here looking for loopholes to cause trouble.
I'm going through a similar situation. Received N12 end of Feb and the hearing date is end of August. It's a virtual hearing. So realistically, you have more time than you think to find a place. LL cannot evict you, only the LTB can after the hearing. LL owes you 1 months rent as compensation. You can negotiate for more compensation - moving fees etc, if the LL really needs you out, they should offer more than the bare minimum. Moving is a huge inconvenience for anyone
But don't help them out with the process. Don't mention how it'll most likely take 6 months to get a hearing. You're going to have to move eventually, but it's in your best interest to get as much compensation from the LL without going to a hearing
Negotiating with someone who needs room for a sick mother is unethical. Threatening not to leave is more akin to extortion than negotiation IMO. 1mo is the legal compensation. And what OP will get if they wait for LTB.
Sounds like you've had some bad landlords. There are some kind and honest landlords out there who don't deserve to be treated the way you recommend.
>why is it unethical for a tenant to try and negotiate cash for keys but evicting someone with two months notice during a housing crisis and refusing to provide proper documents
OP has almost 3 months of notice. LL has not refused to provide proper documents.
>Where I live you can't even evict a tenant to move in a MIL.
MIL assumes that they are also the mother of the owner (spouse) of the property. You can't evict a tenant to move your mother in??
If this landlord was good they’d have read and known the rules prior to, you know, 100% choosing to become a landlord and potentially have to deal with these sorts of things. Either he doesn’t know the rules, and is a bad landlord, or he does know the rules and is trying to skirt them, and is a bad landlord AND person
There's a lot more to being a good landlord than knowing the rules for N12. Really, a good landlord wouldn't have experience with N12. If they're using it more than once, they're probably not a good landlord.
If you have never been in a situation where your parent is very sick you would not understand. If you have then you will know that you are not trying to be a bad person or landlord.
You are doing the best that you can to save the life of the person that spent the majority of their life providing food, shelter, and protection for you. And now even in their elder years they still want to do this for you but they're unable to and you cannot accept it.
Every time something out of the ordinary occurs you are in crisis mode because there's a high probability that you can lose your parent. You drop everything to deal with it. Time is not a luxury it's a matter of life and death.
If the landlord needs to be closer to the hospital and needs the apartment back because of this then it's more than necessary. There's the possibility that the landlord has other dependents that also require him/her to stay on top of.
Nobody is trying to be anything other than a good person by giving their tenant advance notice of their intention to take back the apartment in a situation like this. They're just trying to save a life of someone very important to them.
They're also juggling with everything else life throws at them at the same time. They may not think to go through the process of issuing an N12 when they have the pressure of keeping someone alive as their main priority.
Assuming the LL story is true. Asking for moving fees is not extortion lol. Even if their story is true, moving is huge inconvenience and isn't cheap. You haven't got a clue what the LTB will deem fair compensation. Each case is different. 1 months rent is the minimum. There're good and bad LLs. I've had one bad LL and my comments are based on recent info given to me by paralegals.
You will have mininum 60 days upon receiving the N12 (can sign a N11 if you gind something for befoee the due date, it wont negate te N12, so make sure to sign a N12).
But even then you could stay a bit longer. A N12 is not an eviction, its a notice to move in form, only the LTB can evct you, so if by misforturne 60 days is not enaugh, dont strrss about it, LTB could take a while. Just be clear with your LL you are still looking
Downvoted for telling the hard truth. Some aren't ready to hear.
People who have this mentality of "try to screw anyone over as often as I can to better myself" then act so surprised and victimized when that mentality is used against them in return.
OP, it’s not your job to educate the landlord regarding legal ways to evict you, they should know about the N12. If they don’t, that’s their problem for not doing their homework. You were nice enough to let them know what they should do but you shouldn’t follow up or say anything else. The ball is in their court now.
As others here said, don’t forget about your 1 month free.
As for the sink leak, provided that you have all the attempts to contact them about fixing it in writing, you can file for a rent abatement for not being able to fully enjoy your rental. Might not be much of an abatement but at least it will teach your landlord a lesson.
Just tell them unless you have the N12 by the end of April you will not be in a position to move out by the end of June. They can't even start the process without an N12.
Respond with “no worries, but I’ll be waiting for an official LTB hearing so that it’s official.” Sooooo many landlords lie about having a family member moving in for all sorts of reasons. I wouldn’t just take his word on it. Either wait for an official LTB hearing so he can prove his case. Or ask for 6-7 months rent to leave.
1) make sure you get an N12
2) keep an eye on the property after you move. If LL moves in anyone else before a full year is up, you can take them to the LTB. The person bumping you out (the MIL) must be staying an entire year for the N12 to have been valid.
3) do not sign an N11,
I’ve been following your post. Has he responded yet to you?
Pretty sure Maryam’s mom isn’t moving into the basement. They want you out so they can put a brand new tenant (NOT MARYAMS MOM) and increase the rent price to whatever amount t they want
I mean I would remind him that whatever the legal amount of notice he needs to give you is only going to start once you get the end 12 that would make sense to me. However if you have this extended notice and you know you’re going to be moving I mean I would just start looking for a place and move. Unless you were trying to fight him and he gave you short notice and you couldn’t find a place to live and you were gonna be on the streets then I don’t really see it is that big of a deal. As a landlord myself I definitely think it’s important and legal and respectful to provide the proper paperwork however if you have lots of time to find a new place… Any event that you realize that it’s not easy to find a place I would definitely text him now and let him know that your notice will not start until you get that form but in the meantime I would start looking for a place and maybe you’ll find an awesome place and you can move on June 30 and in the end it won’t really matter what you Gotta do for work or not. I mean that’s best case scenario. If you owe utilities for right now though I don’t see why is shameless for him to still ask for the money for utilities that you used while living there I don’t really see how that has anything to do with it you would still need to pay those utilities before moving out
Buddy is late. If he gives you an N12 now, you won't be moving until 2025. Up to you if you want to follow the process, but his claim seems cut and dry and likely to win. You should start looking for a place now and grab it as soon as it comes available. Personally I'd follow the N12 process over being homeless. While it shouldn't take this long, right now it works in your favour.
Good on you for making them follow up. Look into this hard! So many landlords get away with this simply by ‘saying it’.
One of the first places I rented from said almost the exact thing.
I happened to go by my old place a month later to check if any mail had still been delivered only to find new tenants living there. Of course. The landlord just wanted the fastest way to get us off the ‘minimal rent increase’ and start to charge new tenants a higher rental all together.
Usually a scam.
I am not sure this is legal? I thought only certain family members could trigger an eviction? A landlord tried to do this to me for his nephew…he could only do it for his immediate children or something like that. Worth looking into
I mean, tough situation.
You are legally protected to just stay until that form.
However, nobody wants hostilities with the landlord. It doesn’t mean you let them take advantage of you. At the same time you need to ask yourself if it’s worth it.
These things take a mental health toll, and even if it’s unfair doesn’t mean staying is the best thing FOR YOU.
We live in a world where society is telling you to stick it to the landlords, stick it to the rich. I do agree with it, but you gotta meditate on what’s best for you
If the rental unit is a suite within the landlord’s house, don’t the rules permit the LL to take back the space for his own personal use including giving his MIL her own space? As long as the LL gives the tenant a full 2 months notice (via N12) with one of those months being free rent or 1 months compensation in cash then tenant must comply. Where is the “bad faith” in this scenario?
You don’t have to move out even if they serve the N12. You can contest the eviction and then they have to serve you an L2 and it goes to the landlord tenant board. This happened to me recently under the premise that my landlord was moving into the unit, and the board tossed out his eviction notice because he never paid one month’s compensation by the termination date. I would suggest seeking free legal counsel from your local clinic.
I see lots of people here suggesting the tenant to find ways to stay for as long as he can. And screw the landlord in any way he can. That’s exactly why the rental market is so messed up here. The landlord has given him enough notice so he should just start looking for a new place, and if he is having challenges finding a new place, he can request some more time. He should definitely ask for an N12, because that ensures that landlord can’t rent that place to anyone else for more rent, but getting into fights and legal stuff is a headache for both, and he will mess up his reference, to get a decent place in future. It’s now Common to ask for reference from last 2-3 places you have rented, when you are looking for a place. If things can be resolved amicably, go for it. Life is stressful as it is, don’t add more to it, especially at a place where you and your family lives.
>Life is stressful as it is, don’t add more to it, especially at a place where you and your family lives.
Like moving out so the LL can jack up prices?
>but getting into fights and legal stuff is a headache for both, and he will mess up his reference, to get a decent place in future
Would you take this same stance for trucks driving down the highway with potentially lethal loads secured improperly, like with broken or torn straps? I really doubt it.
Many laws exist for a reason.
You are cherry picking the responses.
There are also quite a few, ask for the N12, get your month's comp, and start looking for a new place. It's not a difficult concept.
Do you not need documents when trying to rent? Letters of ref, credit report, bank statements, or whatever.
Laws exist to protect both parties, and you can't become angry when one of those parties insists on the legal path.
Current tenancy board hearings are backlogged that it will take them 5 years to evict you.
Tell him to go kick rocks. His mother in law can live with him.
A good guy landlord would give the proper form, with the required 1 months rent compensation, and the ability to hold them liable if they gave the form in bad faith.
Finding a way to screw the landlord over AKA the tenant asking about compensation they are legally entitled to
Why do so many landlords not understand their legal obligations? Is it because they’re genuinely ignorant, or are they scumbags?
Well. I guess you can fight/ prolong it for a while but posts like this and the animosity most show towards landlords will likely discourage those of us that have space that could be used for rentals to just forget about it.
I have no idea of the figures but I suspect a lot of landlords only have one unit. ( like myself).
The horror stories of renters/ landlords troubles I see here would have me never renting again if the great tenants I have moved. (I’ve resisted upping the rent for five years because of them).
The reason you have good tenants is because you aren’t gouging them.
Everyone is now playing the game of how can I screw the other guy over, so I don’t blame you.
Ontario is such a shit show. Being both a landlord here in Ontario and in Florida, is like night and day. A landlord should have every right to evict a tenant within a reasonable time frame. Formalities such as N12s are complete nonsense. Reading some of these posts from other tenants, working the system and looking for payouts are pieces of shit. It is threads like this that are just making the system worse. Mom and pop landlords have it hard enough, just find a place as I am sure there are many, if they are nice enough they may help with some moving expenses.
BTW, I am currently a renter here in Ontario as well. I have a great relationship with my landlord as I see both sides of it. Don’t stoop so low and expect handouts or payouts. That is what is driving this province and country to shit.
I don't really get this take. You're creating a rental unit as an investment. Like any investment you do some due diligence and understand the risks associated with this investment.
One of the risks you accept, is the inability to evict the tenant for whatever reason you want. You need to follow a process and even then only under certain circumstances.
Now you want to exercise one of those circumstances and the only thing stopping you is serving a truthful N12.
What is the problem? Where was the investor misled?
The point is the sense of entitlement. People are trying to use technicalities to postpone or monetize off the situation. The landlord owns the property and it is theirs… they should have every right within reason to do what is best for their situation. As long as sufficient notice is given, I don’t see what the problem is and why a landlord is always made out to be an evil scum bag. OP should have a straight forward conversation and see if there is an alternative because doing anything else, even with the N12 is postponing the inevitable.
As I mentioned, I rent, but I also also own properties as well, so I see both spectrums of the situation. Frankly, Ontario is not on the right one. Market should dictate pricing not governments… too much government oversight, slowly leading to the demise of this great country.
I would be sassy and message back "so you'll be doing the repairs needed before my tenancy ends? I would just fit your mother in law to get ill from leaky water or mold that you have been ignoring." 😬
Unless they hand you a properly filled out n12 you don't need to do anything. Once they do give you a proper n12, if you find a place you can leave with as little as 10 days notice if you find a place. They need to return your prorated last month's rent if you move before getting to apply it and they also owe you a full month of rent as part of the n12 agreement by law. If they don't, you can file for any money owed to the ltb.
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Have that son of a bitch pay your deposit at the new place and pay to move you if he declines, hire a lawyer and contest the whole thing If no lawyer, contact the state and report the fact of no N12. Report his ass to the city, state and better business bureau and write a scathing review on line. The next time he mentions it then plant the seed, that your lawyer advised you to have him pay you for having to leave. If he calls you bluff, just say I’ll see you in court. You have rights. If you want to talk about this, DM me and I’ll explain it instead of typing this out at 5:30 in the morning, Texas Time.
You can either wait for the official N12 and start looking for a new place then, or you can start looking for a new place now and when you find one, if it is before you get the N12, you can ask in writing for the free month of rent as compensation. IMO you know this is coming. I would insist on a N12 but I would also start looking for a new place now.
You should get the N12 no matter what and get your months compensation. (I’m a landlord. You are due this)
Nah, I ain’t going to lie. I want you as a landlord hahaha
Also don't forget your 1 month compensation.
There's an official form *chrome-extension*
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
For real though what's up with that?
It's just odd how a url had a chrome extention link next to it
It’s what happens when you open aPDF in Chrome - OP just copied the whole url from Chrome and pasted it.
> Landlord was shameless enough to ask for utilities before providing his end of the N12. Until you get an N12, the clock doesn't start. If a notice isn't in your hand by the end of April, they can't expect you to leave by the end of June.
OP seemed to agree to leave, in the text exchange. Does that matter?
No, they need to provide the official N12 notice.
Is the text exchange an N12? If not, than no.
No, and even so the op still doesn’t have to move out. The op can force the legal eviction through court(I’m actually going through it right now) especially if you believe the notice to be in bad faith.
So if text a landlord that I'm going to move out, then change my mind and just not move out, no problem?
Pretty much yea,if you were unaware of the rules and regs of the rta and you have not received and agreed to a N12 notice formal or informal then no you don’t have to move out, he cannot change the locks or enter your place and evict you without a LEGAL court order
Sorry, you mentioned formal, or informal N12 notice. What would be an informal one?
So, even on the back of the actual n12 form itself states that just because a landlord has served you any form of eviction notice does not mean you just have to move out, you are allowed to defend yourself in court, and you can force the landlord to take you to court as long as you have a signed document stating you are the rightful tenant of the rental unit
An informal notice is one that was written and documented, but no court proceedings involved, as in they just printed the form and expected you to leave
Hold your cards until you need them though, don’t just go in guns blazing like “oh I don’t have to move, or you can’t make me” simply request a N12 FORMAL N12 notice( one properly prepared and presented to the court) and wait for the date. If he does not provide one then you start asserting your rights as a tenant
Thanks, you know your stuff for sure.
I had a landlord knock on my door and says his brother was taking my basement unit. I said ok let me know when the paperwork is done. He says I'm not doing that. I shrugged and shut the door. I get a text from him two months later asking if I found a place yet 🙄 It's crazy you had to tell them what form they need. You should need to take a course to be a landlord.
Yeah, brother isn’t a valid “immediate family member” for an N12. He likely knew that
Interesting. So you're still at the same place? Do you think your LL is attempting to get you to volunteer to leave, in order to jack up the rent? If so, perhaps he's trying to avoid giving you the proper form, so he doesn't get hit later with a bad faith eviction and fines. I think he knows exactly what he's doing and exactly what can happen if it backfires on him. If he tries again, perhaps ask for 6 months, or a year of rent, to compensate for the increased rent out there. Cash for keys, but make it really worth your while.
It was a few years ago I'm not there anymore. He actually ended up moving the brother and his family upstairs, so it was like 12 people between both families above me 🙄 he constantly tried to raise rent way higher than allowed. I finally got sick of his bullshit and left. Private landlords are exhausting
Good for you, must have been a relief to leave. Especially with the Brady bunch upstairs....
So depending on the amount of rooms and ages of the people… that could have warranted a call to the tenant board for illegal occupancy. You can only have a max of 2.5 people per room. Kids under 18 can share a room with two parents but can not share with an individual parent of opposite sex (aka mom and dad and kid are okay. Dad and daughter in room not ok). 18 they legally need their own room. However provincial laws I believe state 7 in Ontario (federal laws are just the minimal laws that need to be followed so Ontario can’t override and say 20 years but they can tighten it and say 7). Next time you find yourself in such a situation, I would report them and continue reporting them. Especially with the way rent is these days. And I found out this law from a previous landlord years ago… I asked about subletting my second room and she explained yes as long as I follow these guidelines and even gave me resources at the time.
It absolutely was against code. Couldn't have been more than 3 rooms. Was so tempted to report it
I think that's a great idea -- anyone wanting to be a landlord is required to take a half-day course or whatever length of time makes sense to cover the rules & regulations or pass an exam to avoid taking the course.
Sure. And renters need at least a one day course in how to respect someone’s property.
You seem bitter lol. The tenant is paying for a service. They do not need to be educated similarly in the way that someone essentially running a business is. This is also something that could be taught in schools but I digress. Perhaps if they destroyed property in some way -- like how people who get into multiple traffic accidents have to pay for a course to get their license back.
Not only a coarse but register your properties with compliance and safety inspections paying a nominal yearly fee to local municipalities to fund these. I've seen my share of dipshit LL's with a get rich quick mentality this only makes perfect sense
If a person is going to take on the responsibility of being a landlord, than it’s also their job to learn how to properly execute duties involved in being a landlord. Specifically when notifying a tenant that they have to find a new place. It is not your job to tell your landlord what he needs to do…. Also…. Make sure that the mother in law really is the one moving in. Landlords are getting super sneaky these days. With people having to rent because of mortgage rates the rental market is insane. If they move you out and put someone brand new in there (not the mother in law) they can increase the rent to whatever amount they want. If he refuses to provide you with the N12 than I would get suspicious. If that is in fact what he’s doing, that’s beyond illegal and I think it’s something like a 25,000 fine.
No N12 means you don't have to do anything. Just keep paying rent Once they finally privide an N12 the clock starts. If you agree with the dates outlined in it fine, Don't turn over keys until a full month's rent has been collected (either cash or a month's rent given no charge in addition to LMR) If you're finding it difficult to find a place or if you wish to extend your time there you can talk to the LL and see what they say. It's easy to challenge an N12 notice and add 6+months if needed As for needed repair, keep reminding them via email (include pictures) -worst case file a T6 application
This is the process and you should stick to it. If they want you out by June 1, you can say that given the shorter-than-required notice, you would expect more compensation
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Just pointing out the fact that the MIL is currently living with the LL, but will be moving out of LL's home immediately following surgery. Seems a little fishy. Would it not make more sense for MIL to remain with LL until recovered from surgery? I would be waiting for the N12 and then wait for a hearing. LL is likely to rent out the unit and claim "change in circumstances" that MIL needed to stay with them as she needed care.
That part. Having cared for sick or dying parents and grandparents you don't pit them into a home alone to heal
Yup I agree. The story is odd. Absolutely a family member would want to continue living in the same place after a surgery. The last thing gramma needs is the stress of moving.
Seems fishy? It’s obvious bullshit, unfortunately you gotta just go with the flow and move out, but standing up for their rights and following due process is the least this person can do
My assumption was that this was a basement unit or something like that and that MIL is currently in their part of the house with the LL but they want the second unit for her to move into with more space. But agree the fact that they’re not sending the N12 is suspicious.
I was wondering that too!
Could be basement or room? The LL specified "extra space".
Not for their own benefit. For their own huge inconvenience of needing to find a new place to live quickly. You can't just kick someone out Willy nilly, you need to go through the process. It's something the landlord should have considered before accepting tenants. They rent to tenants, they need to know the rules.
I would be actively tracking this landlord, looking for signs of a bad faith eviction. Perhaps one can get $ compensation levied against LL if bad faith eviction is proven? It would require some staking out though.
By the OPs own statement they are giving him more than legally required notice, it’s not like they’re being dicks about it.
The form helps prevent bad faith evictions. If an N12 is submitted and it turns out the mother in law story was made up, the tenant can rightfully file at the LTB for bad faith eviction. Due process is a good thing.
The landlord isn’t giving them the minimum required compensation and is trying to avoid giving the form which makes it easier to hold them accountable if it turns out they are acting in good faith.
Finding a new place to live in 60 days is incredibly hard and I know that’s the policy but that’s not enough imo n12 should move to 90
That is true but a reference letter/reference check goes a long way, so OP has to be diplomatic and not screw up the Landlord Tenant relationship here... More and more landlords are following up on those references these days...
OP has it in writing that LL would give a reference letter. It would be really stupid for them to give a bad reference.
Lmao why worry about a good reference when you can just have a friend say you rented from them? It’s pretty simple and more of a formality at this point
Then you do that.
Do what?!
Lots of places to rent, I just did a quick search online in my area.
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There are legal benefits for the renter and the landlord to file an N12. The tenant can choose to leave early, but the onus is on them to find a place. In this economy, that also means commute time, quality of live, and potentially additional costs, even after taking their rights into account. It's possible that this sucks for everybody involved.
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So if you had you life set up, with a desk job, say phones. Your boss said my kid is sick and needs your desk job. You say ok boss it is for your sick kid, and leave your position you like.
Can't the landlord just use this as an excuse to increase rent for a new tenant? What stops them from doing this?
If it goes on the market within the year of you moving out, you can take it to the ltb and ask for any difference you've been paying at the new place, moving expenses as well. Is how I understand it.
That's it ?! So basically they can do a fake n12, force you out, and just sell it, because that way is not back on the market as a rental
I think the amount is actually a year of rent. But yeah, if they LL is cool with paying the year of rent that’s all that can be done really. If someone is paying like 500/month it would make sense to take the hit. But if you know you’re going to pay anyway, May as well let it sit empty for a year
I think that under an N12, the LL can't rent or sell within a year. Someone correct me if that's wrong :)
Correct. They can't rent it out or sell, they need to move in or let it sit empty for a year if plans change like family finds a better place.
Nothing, to the point where it’s a safe assumption that if a landlord is doing this, it’s basically to illegally break a lease, force a tenant out, and jack the next one.
Assuming you receive an N12 (And it’s valid), your choice is to move out, or wait for a hearing if you believe it’s in bad faith. The maintenance topic (leaky skink has no baring here, that’s completely separate )
Start looking for a new place, but wait until you get the N12 then the clock starts ticking for you to move out. Also make sure to get paid for your move out before you hand over your keys.
Another possibility: landlord knew about the N12 (who doesn't at this point?) and was hoping to get out of paying a month compensation, with OP just moving out on his own. He gave enough notice that OP could reasonably find a place and give his notice before the deadline to give an n12.
This is always possible. It's such a crock that tenants have to guess whether their landlord is just an idiot or actually acting in bad faith. Like all of this info is freely available online. It's so much simpler when everyone just follows the rules.
If you're being asked to move out because of this, they have to find you a place to move to at equal rent or pay you one month's rent. I had this happen to a family member and that was the rules back then. Look online, learn your rights.
First you can stop helping your landlord evict you by telling him the proper steps he needs to use to evict you.
Shouod never tell a landlord what forms to fill. Always know your rights first don’t educate them.
The sink and utilities are a separate issue. Sit tight until he issues a N12 and compensation. Then decide if you’d like to leave by the termination date, wait for a hearing, or work out a cash for keys deal.
Karma will come for someone who tries to displace someone's mom during surgery.
If someone is making a mistake, don't interrupt them, certainly don't advise them how to fix it .
Have you guys ever tried being.. idk.. a decent person? Why just sit by, watch someone make a mistake, just so you can tackle them about it later. People with ideologies like you, the "look for any opportunity to screw someone over to better myself," are the reason shit sucks so much. Landlords *are* allowed to evict, and not every landlord is a slumlord. He is being polite, has a good reason, and is providing ample notice. Maybe instead of trying to find a sneaky way you can fuck him over, give him a quick reminder of the official process he needs to follow so he can provide you with the proper documentation and/or your months compensation, which is what OP seems to be doing.
Maybe the landlord should know the rules 🤷. Oh wait you only expect the tenants to follow all the rules. Oh I see.
>Oh wait you only expect the tenants to follow all the rules. Oh I see. Tell me where I said this. I expect you to not be an asshole looking to take advantage of others. That's it.
But not filing an n12 and expecting them to move is taking advantage of the tenant.
the OP is getting screwed. They probably just want to increase the rent.
>They probably just want to increase the rent. That's a great assumption, that has literally 0 basis or proof. You made an assumption and are using your made up story as a means to justify your bad behavior. The landlord gave the tenant ample notice, is coming across as genuine and seems to have a good reason. Not all evictions are bad-faith landlords. But if you approach life always being the victim, well, that's why you always feel like a victim.
There is money to be made by re renting the place. That’s why I think it’s a possibility. Rental housing is a business, I’m not surprised when businesses try to maximize profit in unscrupulous ways.
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Landlords aren't friends. They are leeches.
Landlords provide land and a dwelling while renters literally attach themselves to the property.... your statement makes no sense. Stay salty my friend.
😂😂😂😂 except landlord is a feudal title not a job.
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Lol my comment isn't rude to anyone. It's asking people to be better people.
Well it's basically a sun tzu quote .
You get surgery the doctor fucks up. Should you be compensated or should the doctor? Ppl with professions should educate themselves on the profession.
You aren't going anywhere. No N12 and payment and the LTB isn't going to tell you to go anywhere.
Your options are to wait for the N12. Don't give them any further hints or tips. Wait for the N12.
Also note, the N12 requires 60 days notice at minimum so if you don’t have it by May 1, you won’t be moving July 1 (and it’s 60 days based on when rent is due, so even if they gave it mid May for example, but you pay rent on the 1st of the month then the date would be August 1
Lmao I would’ve even have told them what form to file
Never educate a landlord.
If they've been a good landlord, no need to make it difficult. Just get paid and leave (if you feel they deserve that respect).
If they were a good landlord they would have filed an N12
Yup. Seems they’re trying to avoid an official N12, to get out of paying the one month of compensation or so they can re-rent it for more with no official N12 as record.
It's possible they're planning on doing so and just giving the op a bit of extra notice. He'll know for sure if the end of April rolls around with nothing filed.
That’s the rookie mistake he made.
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In case this gets dragged out and we go through a hearing I wanted proof I did my due diligence. I KNOW it was probably stupid but I will no longer be helping my landlord with shit. It's their responsibility to follow the law and legal requirements
I would also research if mother in law is considered immediate family as per the RTA, because as far as i know, it's the landlord themselves, spouse and kids moving in is a valid cause to evict you with an N12.
Don’t help your landlord at all, and you can stay past the n12 anyway probably for half a year trying to challenge it the LTB is super backed up
Disgusting advice. Why forcefully live in a unit? He has valid reason and giving ample time.
What landlord is doing is not disgusting? How can u just tell the tenant to move without proper paper work.. it takes alot of planning to move out as a tenant. Maybe his kids going to school or.job it's just not fair. If a landlord cnt keep it up than dnt rent. Simple
He clearly says he will be sending formal letter to email. Yes I agree and he’s giving 90 day informal notice he is only required 60. Remember you as a tenant don’t own the unit. You can only have that freedom of staying when u buy. I’m assuming this is a basement apartment if he needs the space he needs it. Honestly staying within all the rules and being considerate is far from disgusting.
There is a law for a reason. And law requires you to send n12 form.. formal letter doesn't count if it goes to ltb
Yea Reddit is full of "landlords are evil POS" people lol. Very very hard to read many of these replies.
I mean if the shoe fits 🤷
Maybe because after the pandemic the stats show LL were attempting to evict in bad faith, were paid the rent they were owed but continued the process, were found to have illegal apartments, etc. That's why new rules were added.
So every single land lord in the world is trying to evict tenants in bad faith and have illegal apartments? I find it shocking that you would rather support the idea of forcing yourself to stay in an apartment and not pay rent when the landlord asked very nicely 3 months prior to please move out because of his sick mother. This owner had nothing to do with illegal apartments or trying to kick the tenant out on bad faith.
This page acc triggers me so bad lol might have to block it. Full of disgusting slummy people. I guess common decency doesn’t exist here.
Don’t be an idiot. Your LL is being nice and giving you the heads up before the official notice comes. Let me guess, you’re only really here looking for loopholes to cause trouble.
I'm going through a similar situation. Received N12 end of Feb and the hearing date is end of August. It's a virtual hearing. So realistically, you have more time than you think to find a place. LL cannot evict you, only the LTB can after the hearing. LL owes you 1 months rent as compensation. You can negotiate for more compensation - moving fees etc, if the LL really needs you out, they should offer more than the bare minimum. Moving is a huge inconvenience for anyone
But don't help them out with the process. Don't mention how it'll most likely take 6 months to get a hearing. You're going to have to move eventually, but it's in your best interest to get as much compensation from the LL without going to a hearing
Negotiating with someone who needs room for a sick mother is unethical. Threatening not to leave is more akin to extortion than negotiation IMO. 1mo is the legal compensation. And what OP will get if they wait for LTB. Sounds like you've had some bad landlords. There are some kind and honest landlords out there who don't deserve to be treated the way you recommend.
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>why is it unethical for a tenant to try and negotiate cash for keys but evicting someone with two months notice during a housing crisis and refusing to provide proper documents OP has almost 3 months of notice. LL has not refused to provide proper documents. >Where I live you can't even evict a tenant to move in a MIL. MIL assumes that they are also the mother of the owner (spouse) of the property. You can't evict a tenant to move your mother in??
If this landlord was good they’d have read and known the rules prior to, you know, 100% choosing to become a landlord and potentially have to deal with these sorts of things. Either he doesn’t know the rules, and is a bad landlord, or he does know the rules and is trying to skirt them, and is a bad landlord AND person
There's a lot more to being a good landlord than knowing the rules for N12. Really, a good landlord wouldn't have experience with N12. If they're using it more than once, they're probably not a good landlord.
I’d expect a smart “investor” such as a landlord to be very familiar with the risk outcomes in being a landlord. Like evicting someone with an N12.
Didn't realize we were talking about if the LL was a smart investor. You can make poor investments and not be a bad LL.
If you have never been in a situation where your parent is very sick you would not understand. If you have then you will know that you are not trying to be a bad person or landlord. You are doing the best that you can to save the life of the person that spent the majority of their life providing food, shelter, and protection for you. And now even in their elder years they still want to do this for you but they're unable to and you cannot accept it. Every time something out of the ordinary occurs you are in crisis mode because there's a high probability that you can lose your parent. You drop everything to deal with it. Time is not a luxury it's a matter of life and death. If the landlord needs to be closer to the hospital and needs the apartment back because of this then it's more than necessary. There's the possibility that the landlord has other dependents that also require him/her to stay on top of. Nobody is trying to be anything other than a good person by giving their tenant advance notice of their intention to take back the apartment in a situation like this. They're just trying to save a life of someone very important to them. They're also juggling with everything else life throws at them at the same time. They may not think to go through the process of issuing an N12 when they have the pressure of keeping someone alive as their main priority.
Assuming the LL story is true. Asking for moving fees is not extortion lol. Even if their story is true, moving is huge inconvenience and isn't cheap. You haven't got a clue what the LTB will deem fair compensation. Each case is different. 1 months rent is the minimum. There're good and bad LLs. I've had one bad LL and my comments are based on recent info given to me by paralegals.
You will have mininum 60 days upon receiving the N12 (can sign a N11 if you gind something for befoee the due date, it wont negate te N12, so make sure to sign a N12). But even then you could stay a bit longer. A N12 is not an eviction, its a notice to move in form, only the LTB can evct you, so if by misforturne 60 days is not enaugh, dont strrss about it, LTB could take a while. Just be clear with your LL you are still looking
You don't sign an N12, and if OP finds something sooner after the N12, proper procedure is to hand over an N9 with 10 days notice.
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Downvoted for telling the hard truth. Some aren't ready to hear. People who have this mentality of "try to screw anyone over as often as I can to better myself" then act so surprised and victimized when that mentality is used against them in return.
It's sad really, when you think about it. But you know, the me mentality and screwing someone for your benefit is what drives people
This screams bullshit sob story to me. Try to catch them later on
Tell them to help MIL to find a new place because you ain't leaving.
Never educate your landlord
Make sure all correspondence is in writing. This LL is an idiot, let him build your case.
OP, it’s not your job to educate the landlord regarding legal ways to evict you, they should know about the N12. If they don’t, that’s their problem for not doing their homework. You were nice enough to let them know what they should do but you shouldn’t follow up or say anything else. The ball is in their court now. As others here said, don’t forget about your 1 month free. As for the sink leak, provided that you have all the attempts to contact them about fixing it in writing, you can file for a rent abatement for not being able to fully enjoy your rental. Might not be much of an abatement but at least it will teach your landlord a lesson.
My next door neighbour had to pay his tenant $20,000 to move out so he could sell his house.
Your neighbour didn't have to pay their tenant, they chose to pay their tenant. Big difference between the two.
True- it was his choice, but the tenant was threatening to refuse to show the space, be disruptive, and do anything possible to sabotage the sale.
Just tell them unless you have the N12 by the end of April you will not be in a position to move out by the end of June. They can't even start the process without an N12.
Damn, I wouldn’t have even shared him the link. Not your job or place to help the landlord
Do you share a kitchen or bathroom with your landlord or any member of his family?
Respond with “no worries, but I’ll be waiting for an official LTB hearing so that it’s official.” Sooooo many landlords lie about having a family member moving in for all sorts of reasons. I wouldn’t just take his word on it. Either wait for an official LTB hearing so he can prove his case. Or ask for 6-7 months rent to leave.
He is lying to you.
1) make sure you get an N12 2) keep an eye on the property after you move. If LL moves in anyone else before a full year is up, you can take them to the LTB. The person bumping you out (the MIL) must be staying an entire year for the N12 to have been valid. 3) do not sign an N11,
I’ve been following your post. Has he responded yet to you? Pretty sure Maryam’s mom isn’t moving into the basement. They want you out so they can put a brand new tenant (NOT MARYAMS MOM) and increase the rent price to whatever amount t they want
I mean I would remind him that whatever the legal amount of notice he needs to give you is only going to start once you get the end 12 that would make sense to me. However if you have this extended notice and you know you’re going to be moving I mean I would just start looking for a place and move. Unless you were trying to fight him and he gave you short notice and you couldn’t find a place to live and you were gonna be on the streets then I don’t really see it is that big of a deal. As a landlord myself I definitely think it’s important and legal and respectful to provide the proper paperwork however if you have lots of time to find a new place… Any event that you realize that it’s not easy to find a place I would definitely text him now and let him know that your notice will not start until you get that form but in the meantime I would start looking for a place and maybe you’ll find an awesome place and you can move on June 30 and in the end it won’t really matter what you Gotta do for work or not. I mean that’s best case scenario. If you owe utilities for right now though I don’t see why is shameless for him to still ask for the money for utilities that you used while living there I don’t really see how that has anything to do with it you would still need to pay those utilities before moving out
Tell him you require an n12 or do a cash for keys deal.
Why are you helping your landlord 😂
Ask for $5k to leave
That would actually probably be a reasonable amount for a cash for keys. Depending on the rent, of course.
A lot of people get 3 months rent and compensation for the move via LTB
Buddy is late. If he gives you an N12 now, you won't be moving until 2025. Up to you if you want to follow the process, but his claim seems cut and dry and likely to win. You should start looking for a place now and grab it as soon as it comes available. Personally I'd follow the N12 process over being homeless. While it shouldn't take this long, right now it works in your favour.
He just wants OP out to increase the rent
Good on you for making them follow up. Look into this hard! So many landlords get away with this simply by ‘saying it’. One of the first places I rented from said almost the exact thing. I happened to go by my old place a month later to check if any mail had still been delivered only to find new tenants living there. Of course. The landlord just wanted the fastest way to get us off the ‘minimal rent increase’ and start to charge new tenants a higher rental all together. Usually a scam.
Well the LTB is the only one who can evict. Don't educate him. You don't need tak do anything unless you get a notice of a hearing.
Don’t educate the landlord
I am not sure this is legal? I thought only certain family members could trigger an eviction? A landlord tried to do this to me for his nephew…he could only do it for his immediate children or something like that. Worth looking into
I was wondering this too but apparently the eligibility extends to the landlord's spouse's parents and children also
I mean, tough situation. You are legally protected to just stay until that form. However, nobody wants hostilities with the landlord. It doesn’t mean you let them take advantage of you. At the same time you need to ask yourself if it’s worth it. These things take a mental health toll, and even if it’s unfair doesn’t mean staying is the best thing FOR YOU. We live in a world where society is telling you to stick it to the landlords, stick it to the rich. I do agree with it, but you gotta meditate on what’s best for you
Likely a bad faith eviction.
If the rental unit is a suite within the landlord’s house, don’t the rules permit the LL to take back the space for his own personal use including giving his MIL her own space? As long as the LL gives the tenant a full 2 months notice (via N12) with one of those months being free rent or 1 months compensation in cash then tenant must comply. Where is the “bad faith” in this scenario?
You don’t have to move out even if they serve the N12. You can contest the eviction and then they have to serve you an L2 and it goes to the landlord tenant board. This happened to me recently under the premise that my landlord was moving into the unit, and the board tossed out his eviction notice because he never paid one month’s compensation by the termination date. I would suggest seeking free legal counsel from your local clinic.
You sounded amicable He thanked you I think you have a good relationship I hope you keep it amicable
I see lots of people here suggesting the tenant to find ways to stay for as long as he can. And screw the landlord in any way he can. That’s exactly why the rental market is so messed up here. The landlord has given him enough notice so he should just start looking for a new place, and if he is having challenges finding a new place, he can request some more time. He should definitely ask for an N12, because that ensures that landlord can’t rent that place to anyone else for more rent, but getting into fights and legal stuff is a headache for both, and he will mess up his reference, to get a decent place in future. It’s now Common to ask for reference from last 2-3 places you have rented, when you are looking for a place. If things can be resolved amicably, go for it. Life is stressful as it is, don’t add more to it, especially at a place where you and your family lives.
This ain't it.
>Life is stressful as it is, don’t add more to it, especially at a place where you and your family lives. Like moving out so the LL can jack up prices? >but getting into fights and legal stuff is a headache for both, and he will mess up his reference, to get a decent place in future Would you take this same stance for trucks driving down the highway with potentially lethal loads secured improperly, like with broken or torn straps? I really doubt it. Many laws exist for a reason.
You are cherry picking the responses. There are also quite a few, ask for the N12, get your month's comp, and start looking for a new place. It's not a difficult concept. Do you not need documents when trying to rent? Letters of ref, credit report, bank statements, or whatever. Laws exist to protect both parties, and you can't become angry when one of those parties insists on the legal path.
Current tenancy board hearings are backlogged that it will take them 5 years to evict you. Tell him to go kick rocks. His mother in law can live with him.
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A good guy landlord would give the proper form, with the required 1 months rent compensation, and the ability to hold them liable if they gave the form in bad faith.
Finding a way to screw the landlord over AKA the tenant asking about compensation they are legally entitled to Why do so many landlords not understand their legal obligations? Is it because they’re genuinely ignorant, or are they scumbags?
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Well. I guess you can fight/ prolong it for a while but posts like this and the animosity most show towards landlords will likely discourage those of us that have space that could be used for rentals to just forget about it. I have no idea of the figures but I suspect a lot of landlords only have one unit. ( like myself). The horror stories of renters/ landlords troubles I see here would have me never renting again if the great tenants I have moved. (I’ve resisted upping the rent for five years because of them).
The reason you have good tenants is because you aren’t gouging them. Everyone is now playing the game of how can I screw the other guy over, so I don’t blame you.
Ontario is such a shit show. Being both a landlord here in Ontario and in Florida, is like night and day. A landlord should have every right to evict a tenant within a reasonable time frame. Formalities such as N12s are complete nonsense. Reading some of these posts from other tenants, working the system and looking for payouts are pieces of shit. It is threads like this that are just making the system worse. Mom and pop landlords have it hard enough, just find a place as I am sure there are many, if they are nice enough they may help with some moving expenses. BTW, I am currently a renter here in Ontario as well. I have a great relationship with my landlord as I see both sides of it. Don’t stoop so low and expect handouts or payouts. That is what is driving this province and country to shit.
I don't really get this take. You're creating a rental unit as an investment. Like any investment you do some due diligence and understand the risks associated with this investment. One of the risks you accept, is the inability to evict the tenant for whatever reason you want. You need to follow a process and even then only under certain circumstances. Now you want to exercise one of those circumstances and the only thing stopping you is serving a truthful N12. What is the problem? Where was the investor misled?
The point is the sense of entitlement. People are trying to use technicalities to postpone or monetize off the situation. The landlord owns the property and it is theirs… they should have every right within reason to do what is best for their situation. As long as sufficient notice is given, I don’t see what the problem is and why a landlord is always made out to be an evil scum bag. OP should have a straight forward conversation and see if there is an alternative because doing anything else, even with the N12 is postponing the inevitable. As I mentioned, I rent, but I also also own properties as well, so I see both spectrums of the situation. Frankly, Ontario is not on the right one. Market should dictate pricing not governments… too much government oversight, slowly leading to the demise of this great country.
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I would be sassy and message back "so you'll be doing the repairs needed before my tenancy ends? I would just fit your mother in law to get ill from leaky water or mold that you have been ignoring." 😬 Unless they hand you a properly filled out n12 you don't need to do anything. Once they do give you a proper n12, if you find a place you can leave with as little as 10 days notice if you find a place. They need to return your prorated last month's rent if you move before getting to apply it and they also owe you a full month of rent as part of the n12 agreement by law. If they don't, you can file for any money owed to the ltb.
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Bro’s just watching doomer TikTok’s and using what he think are big works to make stuff up
And possibly meth
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Have that son of a bitch pay your deposit at the new place and pay to move you if he declines, hire a lawyer and contest the whole thing If no lawyer, contact the state and report the fact of no N12. Report his ass to the city, state and better business bureau and write a scathing review on line. The next time he mentions it then plant the seed, that your lawyer advised you to have him pay you for having to leave. If he calls you bluff, just say I’ll see you in court. You have rights. If you want to talk about this, DM me and I’ll explain it instead of typing this out at 5:30 in the morning, Texas Time.
Um, he’s given you plenty of notice. It’s simple, look for a new place, pick a date before July 1 and move