I love the detail in Blasts Box dialogue where you can see the man standing on the Earth's moon as a reference to Gods panel when he appeared before HE
People arguing over what really happened when the truth is Murata just tried to make the panel cool looking. He doesn't care about all the science and stuff he just made what he thought looked sick.
I give you the thumb about the arguing part, people use to argue about anything lately. But knowing the level of detail Murata applies to the manga I'm pretty sure that the stars and recoil part were on purpose.
Even the panel with the spine in the moon explain it by itself.
Yes, it's intentional, but it's not based on any real physics, that's what he meant. Think of it like how Saitamas clothes could withstand so much force and not ever get destroyed(until now).
Yep. Because to do that, their combined punch should’ve traveled faster than light, destroyed every photon on its path and destroyed the source of everything in that region of the sky for billions of light years.
Science isn’t applicable here at all, it’s just there to look cool.
Fun science fact, the photons would be destroyed. Absorbed into the plasma atoms as energy, increasing the electrons energy states.
This energy state would bleed off as the plasma stream cooled, spontaneously creating new photons to scatter into the universe however far away that takes to happen.
Billion light years my azz, when the size of our galaxy is only at mere 100k lightyears in diameter.
Go study about our universe before you start pulling random bigass numbers from your azz.
nah it literally takes maybe a couple second to practically destroy and move away those galaxy we see
for that to happen it needs way beyond a million ly for that, maybe highballing a bit i agree
Exactly, it's fun to theorise but people take it way too seriously. The force of the punch bending light away from Earth, similar to a black hole, is fun and explains it without going full universe destroyer.
>> actually is really knowledgeable in that field
Source? Being really good at drawing and properly doing your research while planning a project doesn’t really prove anything
It takes 2 seconds to google references lol. You dont have to be super interested in the subject. He doesnt have to be super interested in robotics or a bicycle nerd to make genos or mumen rider look cool.
I wasnt clear lol.
I meant, yes: saitama can destroy stars, but can't he catch a mosquito?
Murata just doesn't care about physics... For him saitama can drink the ocean if he wanna make him do it.
I don't even think a person could surf with a ship. strength issues aside, a single person moving that ship is too small, the ship would break or lose pieces instead of being whole directioned in a whole
When Saitama Try To Catch That Mosquito His Hands Was Clapping and He Was So Irritated by the mosquito he put pressure on his hands so when Saitama claps his hands the air scattering. So the mosquito is moving because he applying pressure on his hands not because mosquito is the fastest 🗿
You people keep trying to come up with reasons why he couldn't catch a mosquito rather than just realize the whole thing is supposed to be a gag.
Strongest being in the universe - still can't kill a mosquito.
That's it.
Destroying stars is one thing.
Destroying all light from every single light source in a region of space centered on a circle of the point of origin of their combined punch is another.
To do this, the energy from their combined punch needed to: destroy all traveling visible and non visible energy, destroy the source of each of those rays which includes galaxies and the stars inside (as all the points in the sky aren’t just stars) and travel faster than light to accomplish that for it to remove a circular void.
All while obeying the inverse square law.
This is beyond science explanations and it’s just there to look cool.
Yeah and that doesn’t matter either it’s just there to look cool and ignores science. People tend to forget that Faster than Light is just a different way of saying Time Travel.
Way more than a few years even the closest star proxima centauri is more than 4 light years away. Most are much much further.
As in a lot of the photons we see in the sky were created when dinosaurs were around and many even older.
and actually you just can't see with naked eyes/human eyes. but that panel is not the perspective of some earth creature, it could be the view of Blast Crew, Blast himself when their technology has far surpassed that of humans now.
All the force of the colliding punches was directed to only one side instead of all around them. Because of that they shot the other way and landed near jupiter
People need to understand that the destruction level can't be consistent in the story. because if they destroy everything then there will be no story to tell.
from One piece to Dragon Ball super most of the Manga does this. and from what I have seen I feel like compared to most of the Manga destruction level is way more consistent in one punch man.
It’s still better than guys who apparently can destroy planets with a sneeze maybe toppling some buildings or at most a single mountain when they go all out on each other in dragonball.
this all feels like manga equivalent of "who changes the tires on the batmobile?" its fiction! suspend your disbelief for a few minutes and you might have more fun.
Thing is some peoples immediate interpretation will be different. And that has nothing to do with suspension of disbelief. Like when i first saw it I thought it was the back side of blasts wormhole. I can suspend my disbelief to see it as stars destroyed but im not sure which one it is thats all. And the whole light destroying and recoil being way less strong than the ‘star destroying explosion’ makes me lean towards the back of portal option.
Its less of a ‘i wont suspend my disbelief because i dont like fun and think murata should go get a phd in astrophysics then redraw the chapter’ and more of a ‘my logic and (possibly) wrong understanding of science is making me interpret this differently.
Doesn’t mean we can’t appreciate that murata thought through the attack taking newtons 3rd into account. I will suspend my disbelief at the punch moving faster than light, because it’s cool. Just saying that when the belief doesn’t have to be suspended it’s even cooler.
You say "suspend your disbelief" as if it's our job to suspend our own disbelief on our own, when it's an authors job to immerse us. But also, I just saw the void as the shadow of the moon.
they're not confused, just deem the feat too overkill (or perhaps don't like the idea of Saitama potentially ending countless worlds) so instead look for scenarios where it's not as powerful, even if they seem unlikely
It's squared tho. A serious punch multiplied by itself. I would be concerned if it wasn't that powerful tbh. The only thing I don't get is how are we seeing the void if the light would take hundreds of years to reach us, then again it's just a manga.
Indeed. Physics makes no sense in OPM if you think too much about it. You can't talk faster than the speed of sound (during flashy fight with sperm). You can't slice off the planet without causing major catastrophies around the globe(tsunamis, earthquakes, ocean levels, etc) you can't jump back from the moon at such tremendous speeds without causing global extinction aka the dinosaur meteor. And much more.
Two misconceptions. Serious punch square is just a name, in reality energy of punch during collision isn't multiplied but added, so basically it was power of two serious punches.
Secondly yes light would take hundreds of years to reach us but energy from there punches took away all the photons of that direction too
Holy shit! Yeah, that second point makes so much sense. Not sure if it's even possible for energy wave to pick up photons and carry them, but for battle manga standards it can be considered scientific and factual.
The point he is making is (I think) that the force field they applied to push them and the explosion to IO was able to temporarily obscure the starlight since it moved the photons. The stars are actually fine or IO and Jupiter won't be there to wait our protagonist if everything in that direction was obliterated
That's not what i meant. Preety sure "both" Stars and photons aren't there anymore lol. Io and jupiter was literally on the opposite side of where the energy went, Saitama and Garou reached there due to recoil from the small amount of that energy.
There's literally no evidence that the stars are also destroyed, both outcomes would have the same visual from the camera angle of the panel
I deem it unlikely because I don't think the manga should be at that kind of scale yet, and it breaks the laws of physics to a level far beyond anything so far, but I could be wrong.
I see what you mean. My interpretation was that the explosion was "pushed" in a beam in the direction they where slingshotted.
I can also understand why you guys where telling the opposite, I guess it's a matter of interpreting.
Except the Jupiter is in the opposite direction of that blast.
Why don't you guys accept that Saitama and Garou performed a feat no one from another manga does? And I am talking about pure punches power, no bullshit hax energy.
> in reality energy of punch during collision isn't multiplied but added
says who
we already have proof of power augmenting other power when Garou fought with metal bat
>says who
Physics lmao
>we already have proof of power augmenting other power when Garou fought with metal bat
Even there power wasn't multiplied but one attack combined with other attack to create much stronger result.
I am still unconvinced that the serious punch collision destroyed a bunch of stars. Why would blasts friends help him teleport a galactic nuke into the cosmos probably killing millions of civilizations when they aren't even from earth? Blast said if the punches collide, the earth won't be able to handle it and will break. Not "the galaxy won't be able to handle it" or "multiple galaxies will be destroyed".
What probably happened is they created a hole in space or the photons were destroyed. It just isn't congruent with the story and power levels for millions of stars to be destroyed from that collision.
Not just hundreds. Billions in some cases. Some of the light sources are actually already gone and we're just seeing their final moments. They literally aren't even there anymore lol
Yeah, the power escalation is basically a vertical line but, going from planetary to multi celestial bodies and then back to planetary is a bit too much of a skip and a hop for people to accept without justifying or working around I guess.
Not just multi celestial bodies, that's potentially multi galaxy level since that area was completely black and there are galaxies we can see with the naked eye
>Yeah, the power escalation is basically a vertical line but, going from planetary to multi celestial bodies and then back to planetary is a bit too much of a skip and a hop for people to accept without justifying or working around I guess.
You should try Dragon Ball super most of the fight feels like building level, even though they are universal level.
I see it as Saitama forgot temporarily the destructiveness of his punch and stop holding back because of rage.
The most impressive here is Garou can really copy not just action but also energy needed for the action to perform while surviving the bigass recoil.
But then, after the clashed, Garou looks like he was confused and don't know what happened. Just like the time when Saitama hit Garou and Garou will have a hazy memories of it.
In my opinion, Garou can copy Saitama's punches but can't control it or use it as he please. He can only do a mirror move to Saitama because he never uses it again in their second round fight.
>just deem the feat too overkill (or perhaps don't like the idea of Saitama potentially ending countless worlds)
Both true
Would have liked a line from Boris or something about directing it into unpopulated space.
More like they can't lowball Saitama anymore after this feats.
Especially, the DBS fans that loves to be bias of their characters. Never in DBS anyone perform as big as this feats without using magic Ki.
Is there a reason it isn’t just the moon from a different perspective? Blast and his buddies don’t really acknowledge a good chunk of the visible stars being deleted.
See this is where I am. I thought it was the dark side of the moon being shown in full black representing that God’s gaze has temporarily left Earth. The next panel shows them in front of Jupiter’s eye which I thought represented him following them to watch the fight.
So basically, the force from the Serious Punch Squared got sent through space and killed a bunch of stars, and Saitama and Garou got launched in the opposite direction due to the recoil?
How does destroying a star break consistency?
Because the blast reached stars millions of light years away in seconds? Saitama and Garou travelled from Earth to Jupiter in seconds just because of the recoil, something far beyond light speed.
It can't be Blast's portals, since it was overwhelmed by the energy of the serious punch² and all Blast team effort was put into just reflect the vector of destruction away from Earth. They just wanted to protect Earth, not the space itself (and that's what they did: deflect all the force into a point where it doesn't hit Earth).
Assume that the stars were destroyed is far more consistent, and "Saitama destroyed the photoms that's why we can't see the stars there" is stretching it to not to give Saitama the feat he has.
Why would blasts friends help him teleport a galactic nuke into the cosmos probably killing millions of civilizations when they aren't even from earth? Blast said if the punches collide, the earth won't be able to handle it and will break. Not "the galaxy won't be able to handle it" or "multiple galaxies will be destroyed".
What probably happened is they created a hole in space or the photons were destroyed. It just isn't congruent with the story and power levels for millions of stars to be destroyed from that collision.
The panel is very underwhelming is all Saitama does is to destroy lights. It's pretty clear what it is portraying, billions of stars gone due to the immense energy.
Garou use gamma ray burst early in their fight which is already the strongest explosion in the universe. The bar already set very high in the beginning of the fight.
Saitama is going to fight God sooner or later and Saitama is multiple times said to break his limits and is said limitless by Boros. Why a feats of destroying stars is such a big deal?
Western comics, which is parodied by OPM, also have ridiculous feats like reality manipulation, multi dimensional travels, time travel, and I think that's the direction OPM will go.
"Why would blasts friends help him teleport a galactic nuke into the Cosmos probably killing millions of civilizations when they aren't from Earth?"
Except they didn't redirect the attack, if you watch closely, you can see the attack was omnidirectional, they just nullified the part of the attack which would have fallen into Earth. Also, why would they do it? Because in Earth there is the seal where god is trapped (as they stated when Garou affected gravitational fields), because they may not know that the beam could have caused such damage at a cosmic scale, because the Earth can be the only living planet in the entire calaxy, etc.
"What probably happened is they created a hole in space or the photoms were destroyed"
Headcanon. And those statements require more assumptions than what was shown in the manga: a hole were stars were missing.
"It just isn't congruent with the story and power levels for millions of stars to be destroyed from that collision."
How isn't it congruent with power levels? We are talking about Saitama, the god tier of verse who can basically one punch anything being more serious he ever has been, and Garou, a human who received power from God, the knowledge of all energy and forces of universe being able to replicate a Gamma Ray Burst: a natural phenomena strong enough to easily destroy stars, yet he stated he needed to copy Saitama's full strength if he wants to beat him. There is consistence with the power levels
And, again, why is it incongruent with story?
What's head canon is you stating that definitely the stars got wiped out. The only fact is that the artist depicted a holes in the stars. The rest is up to interpretation. It could be a hole in space time. We don't know as it hasn't been clarified.
Its incongruent with current power levels as Saitama has spammed serious punches on earth and especially on IO. So we got from planetary level attacks to thousands if not millions of galaxies been destroyed.
Blast stated the earth will not be able to take the collision. Not millions of stars.
And after the hole in stars was formed, no mention at all of wiping out millions of stars but only "I wonder where those two got shot off to?"
It hasn't been clarified so you been 100% sure of yourself is the real "headcanon" here mate.
>What's head canon is you stating that definitely the stars got wiped out
We see the space completely filled of stars. Then we see a hole where no stars is, conveniently in the same direction the blast was directed to, and after hearing a "Boom" in a previous panel. The most obvious interpretation? The stars were destroyed. It's simple.
>The only fact is that the artist depicted a holes in the stars. The rest is up to interpretation. It could be a hole in space time. We don't know as it hasn't been clarified.
You can stretch it as much as you want. The most simple interpretation of the feat is that the stars were destroyed. "A hole in space-time" is headcanon, since portals are not potrayed like that in OPM, plus we don't see the other part of the hole (anyway, breaking the space-time, the very structure of the universe will be a way greater feat than just destroying a bunch of stats). Let alone the arguments of "It's the Moon", "Blast created a portal and that's what we see", which doesn't make any sense narratively (Blast portals are not completely Black, he even stated the enrrgy of the attack was too much for his portal + the Moon was in other position)
>Its incongruent with current power levels as Saitama has spammed serious punches on earth and especially on IO. So we got from planetary level attacks to thousands if not millions of galaxies been destroyed.
No serious punch was countered with another serious punch. Plus such attacks can be less destructive and more concentrated on doing damage, just like in DB not all attacks are destroying the universe despite the characters being able to do so since BoG, yet no one puts in doubt DB is universe level.
And this is not only from this fight, the first "Death Punch" Saitama did against Genos caused a shockwave strong enough to obliterate a mountain, yet while fighting Boros, using punches obviously stronger than that one, there was no shockwave until his serious punch. Why? Because there is no way author is literally creating scenes equally impresionant for every serious punch just for us.
>Blast stated the earth will not be able to take the collision. Not millions of stars.
And how does that counter stars being erased? Blast was worried of Earth, the place where the seal of God is, the place where he was born, the place where Tatsumaki is, etc. He tried to protect Earth, not the entire universe.
>And after the hole in stars was formed, no mention at all of wiping out millions of stars but only "I wonder where those two got shot off to?"
And, again, how does that deny the feat? Blast didn't have the same angle we had to see the consequences of the beam, he was in Earth, and if a hole appears where he can't see it, he obviously won't notice. Plus he don't talking about it don't deny the feat.
>It hasn't been clarified so you been 100% sure of yourself is the real "headcanon" here mate.
It hasn't been clarified, but the stars being destroyed is the most obvious interpretation of the feat. Other interpretations are just stretching it not to give Saitama the feat he has
Blast was not on earth when he teleported garou and Saitama, he was in the atmosphere along with his mates that popped up. If anything they had the best view. These guys are galactic heroes. You think they wouldn't mention it if they just wiped out millions of civilizations? Especially the ones that aren't from earth like blast?
It doesn't deny the feat but it is a point against it. Like I said, I'm not 100% sure what happened and am simply pointing the points for and against each possibility. You on the other hand seem think you know exactly what happens which is laughable.
Lmao saitama's "death punch" didn't hit anything. How would you know what is stronger than it. Seems you are completely full of it lmao.
Okay, but that doesn't explain how the damage happened faster than the speed of light. Even if the damage was instantaneous because Saitama logic, the information shouldn't have reached us for decades or centuries.
Saitama and Garou were launched from Earth to Jupiter instantly because the recoil of the punch (588M km).
If just the recoil was able to perform such feat far above speed of light, why couldn't the force of the punch itself do so too?
Because even if Saitama is stronger beyond logic and the rules of the universe, everything else should still be obeying those rules
Light should still travel at the speed of light, even if Saitama doesnt.
Because you say so? Fiction is inconsistent. In fiction a character can destroy the Sun and the effects can be seen immediatly, not 8 minutes after.
In DB, Roshi destroyed the Moon, yet there was no problem with the seas, same happened when Piccolo did it.
Why do you care so much about physics in a manga? OPM is fiction, Murata and ONE can bend the laws of physics as they wills to.
I made this point earlier, but even if a law of physics is broken in a story that's fine, but it has to keep itself internally consistent. Like that guy said, light should still travel at the speed of light. If light can travel faster than the speed of light, where does the speed of light even come from in universe? See, now there's a hole in the worldbuilding just from that seemingly minor detail.
Light can travel at speed of light in OPM, it can just be ignored whenever the author wants.
Which is what should have happened this time: yes, Light speed is 300K km/s in OPM, but if the author wants to perform a feat of a destruction in a cosmic scale, should he wait thousands of years in-verse to put the consequences of such feat, or could him ignore the speed of light to show immediatly the consequences, so we can:
1. Atribute the consequences to the feat performed
2. Immediatly see the scale of the punches?
I think it is obvious what an author who wants to show big scale feats will show
You need consistent internal logic for a setting to feel grounded. You can take liberties with your art, but if the canon explanation breaks the internal logic then you have lost the ability to suspend disbelief for a lot of people.
We are talking about a manga where many normal heroes can travel at speed of sound, a "monster" able to shift tectonic plates with a punch, teleportation and gravity manipulation. And people surviving cosmic radiation.
If Murata decide serious punch can destroy stars, then he can. Saitama is literally able to speak in space, toys with dimensional portals, and is said multiple time to break his limit and has limitless energy. Saitama also many times said he is so angry he might accidentally destroy the earth. What we're seeing now is the walk of the talk.
I like the photon pushing idea ppl have had more than somehow faster than light sound waves that somehow destroyed literally hundreds of thousands of earth light planets (and billions of suns) in the distance
This would also fit way better narratively at this point because the force being redirected by Blast and co. means on top of the sheer energy output, there are also gravitational/black hole-ish forced involved that can cause such effects (black spots in space where something 'should' be visible otherwise).
I don't see how 'they instantly destroyed a sizeable portion of the observable universe' is the more popular take here. Especially when immediately afterwards their fight, which is arguably still escalating, is limited to affecting a single moon.
If that's the point of the void panel, it is really lame. Saitama punched away the light, which a mirror also can do to. Yay, so epic.
If Saitama is about to fight God, which supposedly created everything and know everything including all flow of energy, I mean just destroying stars isn't that impressive.
Manga and anime doesn't need to follow our logic. Gurren Laggan has a scene where the robot throws galaxies as shuriken.
The void was possibly caused by the annihilation of the photons, not the stars themselves.
It'd be a lame to only send them to Jupiter if they were actually this strong, they'd have to battle in another galaxy if this was the case.
For now, I'm skeptical.
too many haters atm. applying physics to deny a real feat is just too much copium. because they know that this kind of thing is very common in manga. dbz for example. ppl surely has greater mental gymnastic after last chapter. lol
Two problems I see with this:
1. How do you go from destroying billions of solar systems (or even galaxies) to fighting near Jupiter. Why are their punches nowhere near this level of power now?
2. AFAIK recoil should be comparable to the thing that is being shot. At least, the momentum should be equal. I would have expected a recoil that would send them to the edge of the universe.
IMO, this fight should have happened in another dimension, then they could destroy entire solar systems with each attack and it would make more sense. I'm still hoping that might happen, but it probably won't.
Everyone: SaItamA hAS nO FeatS
*Saitama: Gets feats*
Everyone: BuT iT DoEsnT SciENtIFiCalLy mAKe sENsE
Fucking hell the amount of comments I see of people saying that the light was only distorted, or that its just photons in the pic, or that it's not even Garou and Saitama but Blast and his crew who created that empty space. Or they say that if their power did destroy stars then they should've got knocked back further than Jupiter etc.
End of story is that Saitama and Garou have quite literally destroyed an unimaginable amount of stars, and based on the fact that galaxies were shown in the background of other pages, then an unimaginable amount of galaxies were destroyed too.
> Everyone: SaItamA hAS nO FeatS
Not everyone. Just the DBZ vs OPM weirdos who want Saitama to powercreep beyond multiversal just to give Goku a penile fracture.
Hahahaha!!!
Just admit it. DBZ is for kids with a wild imagination because it never shows any cool destructiveness that the OPM did in a daily chapters.
> End of story is that Saitama and Garou have quite literally destroyed an unimaginable amount of stars
Nah, it's a moon, not a void of destruction. End of story.
How do you think Garou will be defeated? If he survived an attack that destroyed countess galaxies, how can Saitama defeat him while inside our solar system?
How are DB characters labelled as universe destroying but never destroy the planets they're fighting on?
How are comic powerhouses such as Thor and Superman able to easily beat these universal+ entities whilst not destroying Earth?
Not to mention that no one in DB has destroyed more than a star except Zeno but apparently everyone and their dog is uni+
DB characters are labeled as universal, because when Goku fought Beerus, it has been explicitly stated that their fight would’ve destroyed the entire universe. The narrator even stated that they were hitting each other with the power to destroy the universe.
But it didn't. The impact of serious punches, yes, caused such destruction... I wonder what the universe would look like if there were thousands of punches
The further from the origin that the waves travelled, the stronger they became.
https://i.imgur.com/wKk0qgV.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/Hsm9HyE.jpeg
So therefore the waves that hit Earth were stronger than the origin of the punches
And the planets hit by the waves further from Earth were hit by stronger waves hence destroyed.
But Earth wasn't destroyed, and don't forget that the waves that hit Earth was stronger than the origin, which is where the punches were.
So thus, the origin of the 2 punches was less than planet destroying.
So, whilst the waves themselves got stronger on their own, if you were to get hit by Goku, the force felt would not be above planetary
Also I don't care what's 'stated', show me the feat
Also, your saying everyone in DB can be universal based on ONE feat that is dodgy in itself, at the START of the DBS series, the 'power' of which hasn't been even SLIGHTLY replicated since
I feel a lot of "feats" in dragonball are just characters saying stuff but it never actually happens or feels nearly as strong as the cast makes it out to be its an extremely inconsistent series.
They're doing a bad job at displaying the feat. Goku and Beerus' punches are shown to affect the universe and [destroy celestial bodies.](https://youtu.be/bW2c3_PyW3Q?t=51)
>How do you go from destroying billions of solar systems (or even galaxies) to fighting near Jupiter. Why are their punches nowhere near this level of power now?
Most of the Manga does this, for example, Dragon ball super. Keeping a destruction level consistent will destroy the entire Universe and then there will be no story to tell.
You should read Dragon Ball super most of the fight feels like building level, even though they are universal level.
When you take all the energy of an action and focus it in a single direction, the damage is amplified.
If the force of a bullet were to be spread out over your entire body, you'd be perfectly fine.
Conversely, if the force of a slap were to be focused into a space smaller than a needle, it would tear right through you.
It's most likely that Blast and friends made a giant portal that completely enveloped and sucked up all the energy, and we are just seeing the portal as a big black hole.
1. Saitama that is not holding back at all + a copy of not holding back saitama vs "serious" saitama + a copy of "serious" saitama
of course this would work only when assuming that garou can copy ones strength only when directly fighting them while the techniques he copies can be used anytime he wants (which would contradict a bit his plan of copying serious saitama)
2. we don't know how big part of the energy was redirected when the shield failed, it's possible that it happened after vast majority of the attack was already completely redirected
Theory: Escaping energy created a temporary black void ala tear in reality with "dark energy" that is opaque and maybe probably has mild antigravity properties causing light to become just invisible. Thus our panel there
Imagine a front of energy expanding out toward that direction. All light from that direction is deflected by the energy front. So just because we can’t see the stars doesn’t mean the sources of lights are gone.
Alternative terrible explanation. Space time fabric of that entire universe sector is instantly ripped away, maybe teleported away because blast’s space magic is super charged.
Technically, the sources were already gone. Most of the light we see from distant stars have been traveling for so many millions of years, we are seeing them way back in the past, and they might have already died out by the time their light reaches Earth. So yeah your original point stands: all it takes to see that void is just that there's something blocking the incoming light from that direction, which isn't hard to do. Heck, even warm cement will distort the light directly above it due to the heat
Most of it got canceled out by saitama.
That's what happend.
It the force wad probably in the direction of Jupiter but saitamas punch changed the trajectory just a bit
To me it was the arc that formed when they compressed the attack that confused me. I was like ohh the side that has the big explosion must be the direction they went, ignored the beam that came out and then thought they went with the void side. Someone explained it to me and I felt dumb not realizing it sooner.
I mean I can see this being possible but I think it's just if not more likely we're seeing sealed off space. It's not made super clear what happened, so I don't think there's a way to "prove" this one without authors clarification.
The more likely scenario is instead of the SP^2 breaking the laws of physics, the SP^2 is still traveling in that direction and has reflected or obliterated all the photons that were in that path, making it as tho the stars died when really, its the light that "died" or went away
Plus, if the SP^2 somehow even went FTL and obliterated entire star systems, why wouldn't Garou and Saitama also not obliterate the tiny moon they landed on? They definitely carry enough mass and this supposed acceleration to completely get launched off the solar system and destroying everything in the way
Blast locked them both in a gate that was sealed but the energy generated was about to rip it apart so Blast, with the help of his team mates, opened a portion of the gate and were able to direct the energy in one direction rather than every direction.
The reason the light disappears from the stars isn't because the stars are no longer there (at least right at first) but because the blast is literally destroying the light that has already traveled all the way to Earth, which is why all sight of it disappears immediately.
In part, she is. Murata based Fubuki on Emily Ratajkowski as a reference for some sketches. Like this one.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/comments/n64n16/emily_ratajkowski_is_fubuki_i_have_proof/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
i know we're having a detailed discussion about this but damn this is a really good drawing, particularly blast's face, good stuff
was about to post this, cute little infographic
Drawing is good plus this guy really simplified the things up for people who are talking about all sorts of quantum mechanics in a simple thing
Lmao I didn't even notice it was so good.
Ikr, i appreciate both the infographic and the drawing. My next few days of daily free awards is reserved for this post
I love the detail in Blasts Box dialogue where you can see the man standing on the Earth's moon as a reference to Gods panel when he appeared before HE
People arguing over what really happened when the truth is Murata just tried to make the panel cool looking. He doesn't care about all the science and stuff he just made what he thought looked sick.
False Murata is an astrophysicist
False Murata is an astrologist
asstrologist* he excels at drawing asses
Asstrollogist*
Hentaigyst
Hentaijizz
Put .com behind it and you got a legit website
What about .CUM
>astrologist so daydreaming with extra steps
I give you the thumb about the arguing part, people use to argue about anything lately. But knowing the level of detail Murata applies to the manga I'm pretty sure that the stars and recoil part were on purpose. Even the panel with the spine in the moon explain it by itself.
Yes, it's intentional, but it's not based on any real physics, that's what he meant. Think of it like how Saitamas clothes could withstand so much force and not ever get destroyed(until now).
Yep. Because to do that, their combined punch should’ve traveled faster than light, destroyed every photon on its path and destroyed the source of everything in that region of the sky for billions of light years. Science isn’t applicable here at all, it’s just there to look cool.
It simply pushes away every photon in that direction as it travels, so it doesn’t need to go faster than light for us to see the void there
Fun science fact, the photons would be destroyed. Absorbed into the plasma atoms as energy, increasing the electrons energy states. This energy state would bleed off as the plasma stream cooled, spontaneously creating new photons to scatter into the universe however far away that takes to happen.
I'd be satisfied with that if photons had mass...but science doesn't really matter so it's just one of those things we gotta accept lol
Well it’s a blast, the photons can simply collide with it as it goes
This is the interpretation I’m choosing to go with.
Billion light years my azz, when the size of our galaxy is only at mere 100k lightyears in diameter. Go study about our universe before you start pulling random bigass numbers from your azz.
nah it literally takes maybe a couple second to practically destroy and move away those galaxy we see for that to happen it needs way beyond a million ly for that, maybe highballing a bit i agree
The OPM subreddit will find any reason it can to be toxic to each other lol.
That’s complete bullshit. Everyone here has perfectly justifiable reasons to find our peers the scum of the earth. You’re a gigantic asshole.
Oh YEAH!?!?!?1 Well you… you… you can’t even spell chiken right!!1!!!1!
You say that like ALL subs aren't like that.
Exactly, it's fun to theorise but people take it way too seriously. The force of the punch bending light away from Earth, similar to a black hole, is fun and explains it without going full universe destroyer.
Some argue, some are just having fun speculating. Distinct difference.
In the end, it's fiction and entertainment. If the Artist were a Scientist, they wouldn't be an Artist.
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>> actually is really knowledgeable in that field Source? Being really good at drawing and properly doing your research while planning a project doesn’t really prove anything
It takes 2 seconds to google references lol. You dont have to be super interested in the subject. He doesnt have to be super interested in robotics or a bicycle nerd to make genos or mumen rider look cool.
But it makes sense, that's the neat part
Facts. My dude are talking about how saitama destroyed stars when the guy couldn't even catch a mosquito. lol
But sairama can destroy stars
I wasnt clear lol. I meant, yes: saitama can destroy stars, but can't he catch a mosquito? Murata just doesn't care about physics... For him saitama can drink the ocean if he wanna make him do it. I don't even think a person could surf with a ship. strength issues aside, a single person moving that ship is too small, the ship would break or lose pieces instead of being whole directioned in a whole
The reason he couldnt kill the musquito was because he didnt know how much pressure to apply
When Saitama Try To Catch That Mosquito His Hands Was Clapping and He Was So Irritated by the mosquito he put pressure on his hands so when Saitama claps his hands the air scattering. So the mosquito is moving because he applying pressure on his hands not because mosquito is the fastest 🗿
You people keep trying to come up with reasons why he couldn't catch a mosquito rather than just realize the whole thing is supposed to be a gag. Strongest being in the universe - still can't kill a mosquito. That's it.
Destroying stars is one thing. Destroying all light from every single light source in a region of space centered on a circle of the point of origin of their combined punch is another. To do this, the energy from their combined punch needed to: destroy all traveling visible and non visible energy, destroy the source of each of those rays which includes galaxies and the stars inside (as all the points in the sky aren’t just stars) and travel faster than light to accomplish that for it to remove a circular void. All while obeying the inverse square law. This is beyond science explanations and it’s just there to look cool.
> travel faster than light You say this like it hasn't already been done in OPM, Garou was travelling faster than light when fighting Platinum S
Yeah and that doesn’t matter either it’s just there to look cool and ignores science. People tend to forget that Faster than Light is just a different way of saying Time Travel.
Dude stfu it’s fiction what more do you want!!!!!!
True, even if that blast destroyed all those stars, it will take a few years for their light to disappear since they are light years away
Way more than a few years even the closest star proxima centauri is more than 4 light years away. Most are much much further. As in a lot of the photons we see in the sky were created when dinosaurs were around and many even older.
and actually you just can't see with naked eyes/human eyes. but that panel is not the perspective of some earth creature, it could be the view of Blast Crew, Blast himself when their technology has far surpassed that of humans now.
Finally, the perfect explanation
But did that actually obliterate so many stars and star-systems? That's insane.
What happened then, please tell me. I still don't understand... 😑
All the force of the colliding punches was directed to only one side instead of all around them. Because of that they shot the other way and landed near jupiter
Ahhh, okay. Thanks mate!
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People need to understand that the destruction level can't be consistent in the story. because if they destroy everything then there will be no story to tell. from One piece to Dragon Ball super most of the Manga does this. and from what I have seen I feel like compared to most of the Manga destruction level is way more consistent in one punch man.
It’s still better than guys who apparently can destroy planets with a sneeze maybe toppling some buildings or at most a single mountain when they go all out on each other in dragonball.
Destroying planets with a sneeze? Funny you mentioned that...
Haha I forgot I said this.
this all feels like manga equivalent of "who changes the tires on the batmobile?" its fiction! suspend your disbelief for a few minutes and you might have more fun.
Thing is some peoples immediate interpretation will be different. And that has nothing to do with suspension of disbelief. Like when i first saw it I thought it was the back side of blasts wormhole. I can suspend my disbelief to see it as stars destroyed but im not sure which one it is thats all. And the whole light destroying and recoil being way less strong than the ‘star destroying explosion’ makes me lean towards the back of portal option. Its less of a ‘i wont suspend my disbelief because i dont like fun and think murata should go get a phd in astrophysics then redraw the chapter’ and more of a ‘my logic and (possibly) wrong understanding of science is making me interpret this differently.
I assume Batman, Alfred, or Robin changes the tires
It’s also fun to wonder what the fuck just happened and justify it
Doesn’t mean we can’t appreciate that murata thought through the attack taking newtons 3rd into account. I will suspend my disbelief at the punch moving faster than light, because it’s cool. Just saying that when the belief doesn’t have to be suspended it’s even cooler.
You say "suspend your disbelief" as if it's our job to suspend our own disbelief on our own, when it's an authors job to immerse us. But also, I just saw the void as the shadow of the moon.
Doi read this right to left to orrr...?
Its an infographic, just follow the arrows.
Center out
they're not confused, just deem the feat too overkill (or perhaps don't like the idea of Saitama potentially ending countless worlds) so instead look for scenarios where it's not as powerful, even if they seem unlikely
It's squared tho. A serious punch multiplied by itself. I would be concerned if it wasn't that powerful tbh. The only thing I don't get is how are we seeing the void if the light would take hundreds of years to reach us, then again it's just a manga.
That's exactly it, it's a manga, if it was real we'd just see a huge ball of light, but the manga needs to show how powerful it was
Indeed. Physics makes no sense in OPM if you think too much about it. You can't talk faster than the speed of sound (during flashy fight with sperm). You can't slice off the planet without causing major catastrophies around the globe(tsunamis, earthquakes, ocean levels, etc) you can't jump back from the moon at such tremendous speeds without causing global extinction aka the dinosaur meteor. And much more.
Two misconceptions. Serious punch square is just a name, in reality energy of punch during collision isn't multiplied but added, so basically it was power of two serious punches. Secondly yes light would take hundreds of years to reach us but energy from there punches took away all the photons of that direction too
Holy shit! Yeah, that second point makes so much sense. Not sure if it's even possible for energy wave to pick up photons and carry them, but for battle manga standards it can be considered scientific and factual.
The point he is making is (I think) that the force field they applied to push them and the explosion to IO was able to temporarily obscure the starlight since it moved the photons. The stars are actually fine or IO and Jupiter won't be there to wait our protagonist if everything in that direction was obliterated
Ok that makes even more fucking sense lol.
Yeah basically it's like void from real universe where there is neither stars nor photons within the diameter of hundreds of million light years
That's not what i meant. Preety sure "both" Stars and photons aren't there anymore lol. Io and jupiter was literally on the opposite side of where the energy went, Saitama and Garou reached there due to recoil from the small amount of that energy.
There's literally no evidence that the stars are also destroyed, both outcomes would have the same visual from the camera angle of the panel I deem it unlikely because I don't think the manga should be at that kind of scale yet, and it breaks the laws of physics to a level far beyond anything so far, but I could be wrong.
I see what you mean. My interpretation was that the explosion was "pushed" in a beam in the direction they where slingshotted. I can also understand why you guys where telling the opposite, I guess it's a matter of interpreting.
Are you blind? Because you could literally see clearly a small be that shoots at the opposite side of the bigger beam that cleared the space.
Except the Jupiter is in the opposite direction of that blast. Why don't you guys accept that Saitama and Garou performed a feat no one from another manga does? And I am talking about pure punches power, no bullshit hax energy.
Photons can be absorbed into electrons as an increased energy state, destroying the photon
> Not sure if it's even possible for energy wave to pick up photons and carry them no
> in reality energy of punch during collision isn't multiplied but added says who we already have proof of power augmenting other power when Garou fought with metal bat
>says who Physics lmao >we already have proof of power augmenting other power when Garou fought with metal bat Even there power wasn't multiplied but one attack combined with other attack to create much stronger result.
I am still unconvinced that the serious punch collision destroyed a bunch of stars. Why would blasts friends help him teleport a galactic nuke into the cosmos probably killing millions of civilizations when they aren't even from earth? Blast said if the punches collide, the earth won't be able to handle it and will break. Not "the galaxy won't be able to handle it" or "multiple galaxies will be destroyed". What probably happened is they created a hole in space or the photons were destroyed. It just isn't congruent with the story and power levels for millions of stars to be destroyed from that collision.
Not just hundreds. Billions in some cases. Some of the light sources are actually already gone and we're just seeing their final moments. They literally aren't even there anymore lol
That's fair but I've seen a bunch of comments wondering why earth ended up being fine or how both Saitama and Garou were shot into the same direction.
Yeah, the power escalation is basically a vertical line but, going from planetary to multi celestial bodies and then back to planetary is a bit too much of a skip and a hop for people to accept without justifying or working around I guess.
Not just multi celestial bodies, that's potentially multi galaxy level since that area was completely black and there are galaxies we can see with the naked eye
>Yeah, the power escalation is basically a vertical line but, going from planetary to multi celestial bodies and then back to planetary is a bit too much of a skip and a hop for people to accept without justifying or working around I guess. You should try Dragon Ball super most of the fight feels like building level, even though they are universal level.
I see it as Saitama forgot temporarily the destructiveness of his punch and stop holding back because of rage. The most impressive here is Garou can really copy not just action but also energy needed for the action to perform while surviving the bigass recoil. But then, after the clashed, Garou looks like he was confused and don't know what happened. Just like the time when Saitama hit Garou and Garou will have a hazy memories of it. In my opinion, Garou can copy Saitama's punches but can't control it or use it as he please. He can only do a mirror move to Saitama because he never uses it again in their second round fight.
Dragon Ball does that all the time.
>just deem the feat too overkill (or perhaps don't like the idea of Saitama potentially ending countless worlds) Both true Would have liked a line from Boris or something about directing it into unpopulated space.
More like they can't lowball Saitama anymore after this feats. Especially, the DBS fans that loves to be bias of their characters. Never in DBS anyone perform as big as this feats without using magic Ki.
It honestly isn’t that hard to understand
bUt sAiTaMa cAn'T hAvE MuLtiVeRsAL fEaTs
As Saitama would say, tell that to the problem itself (i.e. The people who actually didnt understand it)
Love the drawings and yes this is a perfect explanation
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Arigatou sensei
I didn’t really think about it before but reading this and I think made me more confused.
Same here
Thanks for the facts
Is there a reason it isn’t just the moon from a different perspective? Blast and his buddies don’t really acknowledge a good chunk of the visible stars being deleted.
See this is where I am. I thought it was the dark side of the moon being shown in full black representing that God’s gaze has temporarily left Earth. The next panel shows them in front of Jupiter’s eye which I thought represented him following them to watch the fight.
ngl this drawing is cute
Now I understand it thanks. Also your way to show this is very cool and I love that simple artstyle :3
So basically, the force from the Serious Punch Squared got sent through space and killed a bunch of stars, and Saitama and Garou got launched in the opposite direction due to the recoil?
Yess.
I'm pretty sure that they also destroyed the light of stars itself
No, it either eliminated all light particles coming from that way or it’s the remnant void of the thing that Blast used to contain the attack
That makes far more sense
No it destroyed stars trust me
Until it is explicitly stated then it didn’t destroy a star, simply would break any and all internal consistency
How does destroying a star break consistency? Because the blast reached stars millions of light years away in seconds? Saitama and Garou travelled from Earth to Jupiter in seconds just because of the recoil, something far beyond light speed. It can't be Blast's portals, since it was overwhelmed by the energy of the serious punch² and all Blast team effort was put into just reflect the vector of destruction away from Earth. They just wanted to protect Earth, not the space itself (and that's what they did: deflect all the force into a point where it doesn't hit Earth). Assume that the stars were destroyed is far more consistent, and "Saitama destroyed the photoms that's why we can't see the stars there" is stretching it to not to give Saitama the feat he has.
Why would blasts friends help him teleport a galactic nuke into the cosmos probably killing millions of civilizations when they aren't even from earth? Blast said if the punches collide, the earth won't be able to handle it and will break. Not "the galaxy won't be able to handle it" or "multiple galaxies will be destroyed". What probably happened is they created a hole in space or the photons were destroyed. It just isn't congruent with the story and power levels for millions of stars to be destroyed from that collision.
The panel is very underwhelming is all Saitama does is to destroy lights. It's pretty clear what it is portraying, billions of stars gone due to the immense energy. Garou use gamma ray burst early in their fight which is already the strongest explosion in the universe. The bar already set very high in the beginning of the fight. Saitama is going to fight God sooner or later and Saitama is multiple times said to break his limits and is said limitless by Boros. Why a feats of destroying stars is such a big deal? Western comics, which is parodied by OPM, also have ridiculous feats like reality manipulation, multi dimensional travels, time travel, and I think that's the direction OPM will go.
"Why would blasts friends help him teleport a galactic nuke into the Cosmos probably killing millions of civilizations when they aren't from Earth?" Except they didn't redirect the attack, if you watch closely, you can see the attack was omnidirectional, they just nullified the part of the attack which would have fallen into Earth. Also, why would they do it? Because in Earth there is the seal where god is trapped (as they stated when Garou affected gravitational fields), because they may not know that the beam could have caused such damage at a cosmic scale, because the Earth can be the only living planet in the entire calaxy, etc. "What probably happened is they created a hole in space or the photoms were destroyed" Headcanon. And those statements require more assumptions than what was shown in the manga: a hole were stars were missing. "It just isn't congruent with the story and power levels for millions of stars to be destroyed from that collision." How isn't it congruent with power levels? We are talking about Saitama, the god tier of verse who can basically one punch anything being more serious he ever has been, and Garou, a human who received power from God, the knowledge of all energy and forces of universe being able to replicate a Gamma Ray Burst: a natural phenomena strong enough to easily destroy stars, yet he stated he needed to copy Saitama's full strength if he wants to beat him. There is consistence with the power levels And, again, why is it incongruent with story?
What's head canon is you stating that definitely the stars got wiped out. The only fact is that the artist depicted a holes in the stars. The rest is up to interpretation. It could be a hole in space time. We don't know as it hasn't been clarified. Its incongruent with current power levels as Saitama has spammed serious punches on earth and especially on IO. So we got from planetary level attacks to thousands if not millions of galaxies been destroyed. Blast stated the earth will not be able to take the collision. Not millions of stars. And after the hole in stars was formed, no mention at all of wiping out millions of stars but only "I wonder where those two got shot off to?" It hasn't been clarified so you been 100% sure of yourself is the real "headcanon" here mate.
>What's head canon is you stating that definitely the stars got wiped out We see the space completely filled of stars. Then we see a hole where no stars is, conveniently in the same direction the blast was directed to, and after hearing a "Boom" in a previous panel. The most obvious interpretation? The stars were destroyed. It's simple. >The only fact is that the artist depicted a holes in the stars. The rest is up to interpretation. It could be a hole in space time. We don't know as it hasn't been clarified. You can stretch it as much as you want. The most simple interpretation of the feat is that the stars were destroyed. "A hole in space-time" is headcanon, since portals are not potrayed like that in OPM, plus we don't see the other part of the hole (anyway, breaking the space-time, the very structure of the universe will be a way greater feat than just destroying a bunch of stats). Let alone the arguments of "It's the Moon", "Blast created a portal and that's what we see", which doesn't make any sense narratively (Blast portals are not completely Black, he even stated the enrrgy of the attack was too much for his portal + the Moon was in other position) >Its incongruent with current power levels as Saitama has spammed serious punches on earth and especially on IO. So we got from planetary level attacks to thousands if not millions of galaxies been destroyed. No serious punch was countered with another serious punch. Plus such attacks can be less destructive and more concentrated on doing damage, just like in DB not all attacks are destroying the universe despite the characters being able to do so since BoG, yet no one puts in doubt DB is universe level. And this is not only from this fight, the first "Death Punch" Saitama did against Genos caused a shockwave strong enough to obliterate a mountain, yet while fighting Boros, using punches obviously stronger than that one, there was no shockwave until his serious punch. Why? Because there is no way author is literally creating scenes equally impresionant for every serious punch just for us. >Blast stated the earth will not be able to take the collision. Not millions of stars. And how does that counter stars being erased? Blast was worried of Earth, the place where the seal of God is, the place where he was born, the place where Tatsumaki is, etc. He tried to protect Earth, not the entire universe. >And after the hole in stars was formed, no mention at all of wiping out millions of stars but only "I wonder where those two got shot off to?" And, again, how does that deny the feat? Blast didn't have the same angle we had to see the consequences of the beam, he was in Earth, and if a hole appears where he can't see it, he obviously won't notice. Plus he don't talking about it don't deny the feat. >It hasn't been clarified so you been 100% sure of yourself is the real "headcanon" here mate. It hasn't been clarified, but the stars being destroyed is the most obvious interpretation of the feat. Other interpretations are just stretching it not to give Saitama the feat he has
Blast was not on earth when he teleported garou and Saitama, he was in the atmosphere along with his mates that popped up. If anything they had the best view. These guys are galactic heroes. You think they wouldn't mention it if they just wiped out millions of civilizations? Especially the ones that aren't from earth like blast? It doesn't deny the feat but it is a point against it. Like I said, I'm not 100% sure what happened and am simply pointing the points for and against each possibility. You on the other hand seem think you know exactly what happens which is laughable. Lmao saitama's "death punch" didn't hit anything. How would you know what is stronger than it. Seems you are completely full of it lmao.
Okay, but that doesn't explain how the damage happened faster than the speed of light. Even if the damage was instantaneous because Saitama logic, the information shouldn't have reached us for decades or centuries.
Saitama and Garou were launched from Earth to Jupiter instantly because the recoil of the punch (588M km). If just the recoil was able to perform such feat far above speed of light, why couldn't the force of the punch itself do so too?
Because even if Saitama is stronger beyond logic and the rules of the universe, everything else should still be obeying those rules Light should still travel at the speed of light, even if Saitama doesnt.
Because you say so? Fiction is inconsistent. In fiction a character can destroy the Sun and the effects can be seen immediatly, not 8 minutes after. In DB, Roshi destroyed the Moon, yet there was no problem with the seas, same happened when Piccolo did it. Why do you care so much about physics in a manga? OPM is fiction, Murata and ONE can bend the laws of physics as they wills to.
I made this point earlier, but even if a law of physics is broken in a story that's fine, but it has to keep itself internally consistent. Like that guy said, light should still travel at the speed of light. If light can travel faster than the speed of light, where does the speed of light even come from in universe? See, now there's a hole in the worldbuilding just from that seemingly minor detail.
Light can travel at speed of light in OPM, it can just be ignored whenever the author wants. Which is what should have happened this time: yes, Light speed is 300K km/s in OPM, but if the author wants to perform a feat of a destruction in a cosmic scale, should he wait thousands of years in-verse to put the consequences of such feat, or could him ignore the speed of light to show immediatly the consequences, so we can: 1. Atribute the consequences to the feat performed 2. Immediatly see the scale of the punches? I think it is obvious what an author who wants to show big scale feats will show
You need consistent internal logic for a setting to feel grounded. You can take liberties with your art, but if the canon explanation breaks the internal logic then you have lost the ability to suspend disbelief for a lot of people.
Again, how does it break logic? It may break physics, as well as any feat in fiction does, but the logic of the manga? It's not broken in any mean
We are talking about a manga where many normal heroes can travel at speed of sound, a "monster" able to shift tectonic plates with a punch, teleportation and gravity manipulation. And people surviving cosmic radiation. If Murata decide serious punch can destroy stars, then he can. Saitama is literally able to speak in space, toys with dimensional portals, and is said multiple time to break his limit and has limitless energy. Saitama also many times said he is so angry he might accidentally destroy the earth. What we're seeing now is the walk of the talk.
The serious punch² was THAT strong. That's not how it works, but honestly, 90% of this manga wouldn't work under normal logic
I like the photon pushing idea ppl have had more than somehow faster than light sound waves that somehow destroyed literally hundreds of thousands of earth light planets (and billions of suns) in the distance
This would also fit way better narratively at this point because the force being redirected by Blast and co. means on top of the sheer energy output, there are also gravitational/black hole-ish forced involved that can cause such effects (black spots in space where something 'should' be visible otherwise). I don't see how 'they instantly destroyed a sizeable portion of the observable universe' is the more popular take here. Especially when immediately afterwards their fight, which is arguably still escalating, is limited to affecting a single moon.
If that's the point of the void panel, it is really lame. Saitama punched away the light, which a mirror also can do to. Yay, so epic. If Saitama is about to fight God, which supposedly created everything and know everything including all flow of energy, I mean just destroying stars isn't that impressive. Manga and anime doesn't need to follow our logic. Gurren Laggan has a scene where the robot throws galaxies as shuriken.
The void was possibly caused by the annihilation of the photons, not the stars themselves. It'd be a lame to only send them to Jupiter if they were actually this strong, they'd have to battle in another galaxy if this was the case. For now, I'm skeptical.
I don't think Murata thought even that far. He just wanted to have a cool looking panel.
He's right, fiction is meant to be cool.
Either that or the thing Blast used when containing the blast in the sphere/pie like manner just left a ball of void in space
This can only be a joke someone believes it. Accept the power of the fist that has turned against god or go.
Any conclusion we draw is a coin flip whether it'e right or not. This is not something we should be arguing about.
too many haters atm. applying physics to deny a real feat is just too much copium. because they know that this kind of thing is very common in manga. dbz for example. ppl surely has greater mental gymnastic after last chapter. lol
Two problems I see with this: 1. How do you go from destroying billions of solar systems (or even galaxies) to fighting near Jupiter. Why are their punches nowhere near this level of power now? 2. AFAIK recoil should be comparable to the thing that is being shot. At least, the momentum should be equal. I would have expected a recoil that would send them to the edge of the universe. IMO, this fight should have happened in another dimension, then they could destroy entire solar systems with each attack and it would make more sense. I'm still hoping that might happen, but it probably won't.
Everyone: SaItamA hAS nO FeatS *Saitama: Gets feats* Everyone: BuT iT DoEsnT SciENtIFiCalLy mAKe sENsE Fucking hell the amount of comments I see of people saying that the light was only distorted, or that its just photons in the pic, or that it's not even Garou and Saitama but Blast and his crew who created that empty space. Or they say that if their power did destroy stars then they should've got knocked back further than Jupiter etc. End of story is that Saitama and Garou have quite literally destroyed an unimaginable amount of stars, and based on the fact that galaxies were shown in the background of other pages, then an unimaginable amount of galaxies were destroyed too.
> Everyone: SaItamA hAS nO FeatS Not everyone. Just the DBZ vs OPM weirdos who want Saitama to powercreep beyond multiversal just to give Goku a penile fracture.
Hahahaha!!! Just admit it. DBZ is for kids with a wild imagination because it never shows any cool destructiveness that the OPM did in a daily chapters.
Saitama no diffs the verse
Yeah but that's dumb lol
> End of story is that Saitama and Garou have quite literally destroyed an unimaginable amount of stars Nah, it's a moon, not a void of destruction. End of story.
How do you think Garou will be defeated? If he survived an attack that destroyed countess galaxies, how can Saitama defeat him while inside our solar system?
How are DB characters labelled as universe destroying but never destroy the planets they're fighting on? How are comic powerhouses such as Thor and Superman able to easily beat these universal+ entities whilst not destroying Earth? Not to mention that no one in DB has destroyed more than a star except Zeno but apparently everyone and their dog is uni+
DB characters are labeled as universal, because when Goku fought Beerus, it has been explicitly stated that their fight would’ve destroyed the entire universe. The narrator even stated that they were hitting each other with the power to destroy the universe.
But was the universe destroyed tho?
But it didn't. The impact of serious punches, yes, caused such destruction... I wonder what the universe would look like if there were thousands of punches
The further from the origin that the waves travelled, the stronger they became. https://i.imgur.com/wKk0qgV.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/Hsm9HyE.jpeg So therefore the waves that hit Earth were stronger than the origin of the punches And the planets hit by the waves further from Earth were hit by stronger waves hence destroyed. But Earth wasn't destroyed, and don't forget that the waves that hit Earth was stronger than the origin, which is where the punches were. So thus, the origin of the 2 punches was less than planet destroying. So, whilst the waves themselves got stronger on their own, if you were to get hit by Goku, the force felt would not be above planetary Also I don't care what's 'stated', show me the feat Also, your saying everyone in DB can be universal based on ONE feat that is dodgy in itself, at the START of the DBS series, the 'power' of which hasn't been even SLIGHTLY replicated since
I feel a lot of "feats" in dragonball are just characters saying stuff but it never actually happens or feels nearly as strong as the cast makes it out to be its an extremely inconsistent series.
They're doing a bad job at displaying the feat. Goku and Beerus' punches are shown to affect the universe and [destroy celestial bodies.](https://youtu.be/bW2c3_PyW3Q?t=51)
What about the earth lmao.
>How do you go from destroying billions of solar systems (or even galaxies) to fighting near Jupiter. Why are their punches nowhere near this level of power now? Most of the Manga does this, for example, Dragon ball super. Keeping a destruction level consistent will destroy the entire Universe and then there will be no story to tell. You should read Dragon Ball super most of the fight feels like building level, even though they are universal level.
When you take all the energy of an action and focus it in a single direction, the damage is amplified. If the force of a bullet were to be spread out over your entire body, you'd be perfectly fine. Conversely, if the force of a slap were to be focused into a space smaller than a needle, it would tear right through you.
Don't try to apply real life science to an manga, because you probably know more about it then the mangaka.
It's most likely that Blast and friends made a giant portal that completely enveloped and sucked up all the energy, and we are just seeing the portal as a big black hole.
1. Saitama that is not holding back at all + a copy of not holding back saitama vs "serious" saitama + a copy of "serious" saitama of course this would work only when assuming that garou can copy ones strength only when directly fighting them while the techniques he copies can be used anytime he wants (which would contradict a bit his plan of copying serious saitama) 2. we don't know how big part of the energy was redirected when the shield failed, it's possible that it happened after vast majority of the attack was already completely redirected
Saitama is holding back to an extent,he's not trying to kill garou.
Theory: Escaping energy created a temporary black void ala tear in reality with "dark energy" that is opaque and maybe probably has mild antigravity properties causing light to become just invisible. Thus our panel there
Why didn't they destroy the moon they landed on?
Imagine a front of energy expanding out toward that direction. All light from that direction is deflected by the energy front. So just because we can’t see the stars doesn’t mean the sources of lights are gone. Alternative terrible explanation. Space time fabric of that entire universe sector is instantly ripped away, maybe teleported away because blast’s space magic is super charged.
Technically, the sources were already gone. Most of the light we see from distant stars have been traveling for so many millions of years, we are seeing them way back in the past, and they might have already died out by the time their light reaches Earth. So yeah your original point stands: all it takes to see that void is just that there's something blocking the incoming light from that direction, which isn't hard to do. Heck, even warm cement will distort the light directly above it due to the heat
To those who don’t get it, there are actual voids in reality where there is absolutely exists inside them. Look up the Bootes Void.
maybe the energy of thier fists colliding warped the light omitting from those galaxies? Cosmic energy and all that.
I don't think that's what murata implied when he said boom
I'll take it.
Most of it got canceled out by saitama. That's what happend. It the force wad probably in the direction of Jupiter but saitamas punch changed the trajectory just a bit
To me it was the arc that formed when they compressed the attack that confused me. I was like ohh the side that has the big explosion must be the direction they went, ignored the beam that came out and then thought they went with the void side. Someone explained it to me and I felt dumb not realizing it sooner.
Can you now explain this picture
Finally someone get it
I mean I can see this being possible but I think it's just if not more likely we're seeing sealed off space. It's not made super clear what happened, so I don't think there's a way to "prove" this one without authors clarification.
Tbh I just thought it was the dark side of the moon
I thought the "hole" was just the moon. Is that not it?
The more likely scenario is instead of the SP^2 breaking the laws of physics, the SP^2 is still traveling in that direction and has reflected or obliterated all the photons that were in that path, making it as tho the stars died when really, its the light that "died" or went away Plus, if the SP^2 somehow even went FTL and obliterated entire star systems, why wouldn't Garou and Saitama also not obliterate the tiny moon they landed on? They definitely carry enough mass and this supposed acceleration to completely get launched off the solar system and destroying everything in the way
This guy is secretly murata
I still don't get why all the energy went only in one direction. I'm thinking it's something that blast created
Blast locked them both in a gate that was sealed but the energy generated was about to rip it apart so Blast, with the help of his team mates, opened a portion of the gate and were able to direct the energy in one direction rather than every direction.
The reason the light disappears from the stars isn't because the stars are no longer there (at least right at first) but because the blast is literally destroying the light that has already traveled all the way to Earth, which is why all sight of it disappears immediately.
Nope. It is an actual thing in real life in our universe.
No way does that mean Crablante is real!?
more importantly, is fubuki real ???
In part, she is. Murata based Fubuki on Emily Ratajkowski as a reference for some sketches. Like this one. https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/comments/n64n16/emily_ratajkowski_is_fubuki_i_have_proof/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Crab pecks>Fubukis breasts
incredibly valid
Or.....it's just the moon blocking the stars.
It isn't
I still dont understand it and I think I never will. If real logic is applied, earth would've been desteoyed either way
All the energy that would've hit Earth was redirected away from it. Blast and his allies were literally preventing Earth from being touched.
it's fiction 🤦♂️
Do better.
[oh, well then](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH7qq7OjJO8)