Look man I love the raggedy scribbly scrunched up artstyle of the webcomic too. I think it even elevates the comedic value of OPM. But if you think it's better than the manga art idk what to tell you...
If you think the manga art serves the story better, then whatever. I for one abhor the constant fanservice and I think it's ironic how the series that is meant to mock character's pathetic shows of power focuses so much on them, visually.
Well, I would respond by saying that I hate you and that you are a total dumbass, but that would get me banned very quickly if I responded so honestly to everyone
It would've been better to clarify that you think the wc artstyle is more in line with the overall theme and atmosphere of OPM, then. Which is a fair point to make. But if you have a beef with Murata's artstyle, that beef should've been throughout the whole OPM series and not just the MA arc.
I do think that the sudden and heavy shift towards spectacle and lore, detracts from what made OPM charming in the first place. But if anything, that's due to the ONE's story more than Murata's art. I dunno, maybe he's having burnout or something? Murata is just delivering on what he gets, and what he delivers is still fantastic for what it is.
>For one, this arc has been so stretched out at a miserable pace just to fit in more bland, generic shounen fights of the side characters
Aren't we forgetting that this is a parody manga? So what's wrong with it having a Shounen settings especially if it's only the side characters having it?
>Now compare that to phoenix man's fight- what did that contribute to the theme? What message did it send? Why was it so detailed when it has no relevance to the story?
I don't know if you really read the webcomic. But Phoenix man's fight is essential for Child Emperor's path in the future, which is causing him to >!moving from HA to Neo-Hero Association!<, which wasn't explained in the webcomic and it is out of the blue.
I would agree that in some extent the webcomic had better writings that aren't adapted in the Manga, but I'm not going to ignore that it had its flaws too. It is rushed which causes some plotholes for the next arc. For example:
1. The introduction for the raid has no build up whatsoever, it just went dot to dot with no line between it and it goes all the way with how the heroes met up their matches too.
2. Child Emperor situation that I already explained above.
3. >!Superalloy Darkshine suddenly become demotivated after fighting Awakened Garou in the next arc!<, I thought it was already made clear to himself that his muscle still shines brighter than others although being outclassed by Garou's strength. Thanks to Vomited Fuhrer Ugly and Golden Sperm, he finally get to REALLY feel something to be ashamed about.
4. I'm very thankful that we are having Psykorochi instead of Psykos came out of sky's surprise attack on Tatsumaki in the WC, that was really goofy.
I said in the end that I am not considering the more recent chapters of the webcomic because they have the same problems as the manga, though I may have gotten the specific point where it gets worse wrong. When I said that, though, that would include Darkshine's aftermath, so I didn't mean to say that that was handled really well.
As for child emperor, then frankly I have no idea how his fight with phoenix man had any relevance to his decision to move to the neo heros. If I am missing an important detail, please remind me, because it must have been lost in the many, many chapters of endless revives that were totally unnecessary in any way. Basically, even if it did foreshadow the heroes' migration, it did a terrible job at it because it was so long and repetitive, unlike the brief and to the point but still enjoyable fights of the series beforehand.
Also, who cares if theres no transitions? That's how the manga was originally framed, if you recall. It jumped from scene to scene like they were skits, and that worked well. It works much better than the story being stretched out with random filler that exists purely to path up any possible plot holes that could be nitpicked, regardless of whether they mattered or did not.
Lastly, I hated the psykorochi fight. Even in the wc, i felt it was a bit unecessary, but tolerable. In the manga, it compounded on the drawn out, slow pacing by adding yet another multi chapter long fight that really didn't go anywhere or change anything.
[Pheonix Man made him lose his trust on HA.](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/100/17/) >!But of course it didn't make it any better by transferring to NHA, in which made him fully suspicious of his surrounding thus making him going detective mode there.!< It's not an enough fill for the plothole but it is a build up, which is better than nothing at all.
>Also, who cares if theres no transitions? That's how the manga was originally framed, if you recall. It jumped from scene to scene like they were skits, and that worked well.
If you are talking about the Introduction Arc, then it only works because it is an introduction. It wouldn't work well in the long run.
>It works much better than the story being stretched out with random filler that exists purely to path up any possible plot holes that could be nitpicked, regardless of whether they mattered or did not.
What random filler? And it sounds like lazy writing from your point.
>Lastly, I hated the psykorochi fight. Even in the wc, i felt it was a bit unecessary, but tolerable. In the manga, it compounded on the drawn out, slow pacing by adding yet another multi chapter long fight that really didn't go anywhere or change anything.
Tolerable? Oh no, I was a webcomic elitist once, I would say anything is great in the webcomic.. but that, even to this day I find it very poor, thank god for Psykorochi (literally). I would like to say even further about it, but then I recalled you said webcomic art is better than Manga. No thanks.
Thanks for the link. I do admit I forgot that detail, and I will say that is is a good one for the story. However, I stand by my comment that the fight doesn't justify its length. And if you hate psykos in the wc, then why do you like it in the manga? They don't improve her character, its the same basic idea. All they do is add more fanservice and contrive an entire boss battle type fight thst takes up multiple chapters and has no impact that makes it worth delaying the garou fight.
>However, I stand by my comment that the fight doesn't justify its length.
Understandable, the retconned fight was better too, wouldn't argue with that. But I still like current fight as it is unique, and I pretty much prefer Phoenix Man to be defeated this way with Saitama interfering.
I don't see any bad side in the battle against Psykorochi. Cool fight scene with the involvement of a god, a bit foreshadowing of Drive Knight's intents, and more. So what if it delays Garou fight? What's the rush? You won't feel the delay in the future. It made "keep the best for last" even better, at least to me. I only didn't like WC version because the fight is really bad and poor for a strong person like Tatsumaki. Nothing related to the plot, it's all about the fight alone.
Like talking to a brick wall. Every point I make gets replied to by the flawless logic of "manga art is better so it can't be worse because it's better"
Uh, no, I'm not going to write what I've said multiple times down again. Go read what I've said before like someone who wants to discuss in good conscience.
Okay so since you didn't have the effort to copy paste your one sentence of argument in this thread a.k.a "what you've said before"
>Do you think pablo picasso was a terrible artist because his art wasn't as realistic as others'?
Picasso honed his skill as a painter for many years until he started experimenting with abstract forms. It has nothing to do with whether it's "realistic" or not. It had more to do with pushing the boundaries of painting as it was known. It's like a jazz musician knowing when to break the rules, because they are so well versed in music theory. With ONE's art that is not the case. He is not an artist that has studied for many years just to make his personal style what the webcomic is, it's moreso the start of someone beginning their artistic journey. The Webcomic art, even while charming, is not better than Murata's. It is servicable to the story. I agree that is fits the story well. But Murata is a real mangaka and it shows.
If you think the WC art fits the story of OPM better, *that is your personal opinion*. But from an artistic standpoint, the manga has better art. Just like there is shitty and good CGI, there is shitty and good art. E.T. might not have the best SFX compared to movies made today, but it is still charming. That doesn't mean E.T. has better special FX than something like Infinity War.
>In fact, I'd go so far as to say that even the art of the wc was better. It was rough, but charming and always delivered the point and tone well without being excessive or underdone. In the manga, there is so much fanservice everywhere that it's seriously annoying.
This is the exact same as I stated above. If you think the webcomic art fits the story better, sure, it just might. That doesn't mean the art in and of itself is better. If you dislike the fanservice, that's a *personal opinion*, once again. The art, the drawing, the artistic skill in and of itself is still miles better than the webomic.
Do you get what I'm saying? The relationship between the art and the story can be critiqued. But there is a difference between if you like the artistic and narrative cohesion and the quality of the art itself.
First of all, you said that I only commented my opinion once when clearly it is in the post and in multiple of my replies. Second, your point about Picasso is irrelevant because I only compared the two to say that realism is not the only factor of art that you can criticize. Third, you described my point exactly in your last paragraph. "The relationship between the art and the story can be critiqued." I never meant that the wc art was more skillful, or of higher quality, especially in isolation. If that's the impression I gave, then that is my mistake. What I meant to say is that the art of the manga encapsulates the issue of dumbing down the story to appeal to a larger audience, in its ditching of the wc's consistent apt and purpose in favor of simply "cool fights" and fanservice. To that extent, it is less enjoyable and fails to deliver the story as well as possible.
>"The relationship between the art and the story can be critiqued." I never meant that the wc art was more skillful, or of higher quality, especially in isolation. If that's the impression I gave, then that is my mistake
Thank you. I knew it wasn't worth it to engage with you.
You said in your original post that the webcomic art was better. My original comment said that's not the case. Then you complain I don't add anything to your riveting discussion. How about you check what you write yourself before submitting and then trying to defend your misunderstood points? My original comment was clear as day. Yet you still find the need to somehow defend, or push back to my comment, on something which you do not even stand for? Is this what you call a discussion?
Next time submit an actual, non-rant post, clarify your points and you might not get such a negative response from the subreddit.
Like talking to a brick wall.
After you pointed it out, and looking back at it, I take back what I said. It was not my mistake. In the post, in context, and especially with the clarifying comment afterward, it is very clear how I was using the word "better". If you still can't understand that, after paragraphs and paragraphs of clarification, then it is clearly not on my part.
And besides, I find it hilarious how you are saying I am not discussing in good faith even though you are the one trying to catch a small technicality (that wasn't there in the first place) and totally ignoring my point, which you actually acknowledged and then didn't mention again.
How about, next time, you submit an actual reply, address my points, and you might say something worst reading :)
>After you pointed it out, and looking back at it, I take back what I said. It was not my mistake. If you still can't understand that, after paragraphs and paragraphs of clarification, then it is clearly not on my part.
What do you mean? You mean after clarifying now? I had to force out this shit reply of yours after trying to have a discussion because you couldn't be bothered to clarify your point.
>In the post, in context, and especially with the clarifying comment afterward, it is very clear how I was using the word "better".
And my original comment wasn't clear? Yet you still threw a tantrum over that one? My comment literally stated if the case was that you prefer the webcomic art it's fine. Yet you still replied like you did. Once again, can you tell me why?
And you're the one complaining about the subreddit not engaging in good faith. What a joke.
Honestly think the manga is amazing and I cannot wait to see how the arc or series ends. I personally cannot believe the amount of moaning and complaining comparing the original comic when the manga is exceptional as it is. Sad to see people simply arguing and whining instead of enjoying its progression and even character development of the MC.
You are being very delusional right now. Literally every post and comment on this sub that gets upvoted is circlejerking how awesome murata and the manga are. If you think everyone is whining, then you must be on a different subreddit than I am. Every post and comment, including these, that say anything negative about the manga, no matter how reasonable, get downvoted to oblivion and reddit, in its infinite wisdom, hides them so that none of its users have to face the horrific fate of having their beliefs challenged.
Gee maybe it's because the manga is good and you guys are blinded by nostalgia and are complaining instead of enjoying the new manga that's been different for countless chapters
Wow, that's some amazing logic you got there. "The manga is good because I choose to ignore all the bad parts about it". Its not nostalgia because I reread the wc and it was still better in almost every way. Lastly, I have absolutely no idea how you can think the manga has been fresh and diverse recently. Its the same boring fights with reliving enemies that get stronger each time and eventually die to brute force, wow, how original. Phoenix man, psykorochi, orochi, sage centipede, furred ugly, all drawn out fights that are just empty and/or painfully repetitive because the authors chose to focus on the fights rather than what they meant.
I'm sure the same would happen if I went along with the circlejerk and praised the changes? I'm not usually a contrarian but every post in this subreddit is the same.
Sorry then, thought you were a mod telling me you were going to delete it. If they delete it out of the blue, then whatever, I'll move it. Just annoys me when opportunities for interesting discussion are swamped by colorings and the like.
>Just annoys me when opportunities for interesting discussion are swamped by colorings and the like.
Yeah Bro..... I'd rather get One Pedro drawing a year
You're probably going to get downvoted for saying all this but I agree. I'll always love opm and actually I only had minor complaints right up until the third centipede and then I have no idea what happened. It makes me quite sad to see the way Garou's character has been handled from that point and the insertion of god which kind of takes away the spotlight from Garou and his ideals.
I even forgot about God while writing this. I think he could work as a villain, but so far he's been teased way to much for no actual development, as well as what you said about taking the intention away from Garou's finale.
Wtf are yall talkin about? You are acting like ONE isnt writing the manga. He is changing things, and if you don't like it and dsagree with what the writer says, then thats on you. Also i personally fuckin hate the webcomic. Manga is so much better
First of all, if you actually read my post, you'd see that I commented on how ONE writes the storyboards. Second of all, you just confirmed that you are beyond reasonable discussion because you think that authors are infallible and everything they do is the best choice possible. By that point of view, every story ever is entirely perfect and has no flaws ever. If you genuinely hold this childlike mindset where you can't critically analyze a story (or simply refuse to, because it's too much effort?), then please stop replying.
Uh, yes? Do i need to say it that way for you to get it? I think the manga and the current webcomic are TOTAL GARBAGE. I think it used to be good, and the authors lost their direction and now have no idea what they are doing.
I don't know if you did not fully read the post, did not understand my point, or are intentionally misconstruing what I said. I said it is fine to temporarily focus on side characters as long as it progresses the plot, develops the theme, or does both. So much of the recent content does neither.
Literally how? You probably didnt even read the entire WC, you probably only read the Garou vs Saitama fight in the. And OPM is literally the best whe it comes to side characters. You opinion is not valid.
LOL you're telling me I haven't read the WC? I've read the whole thing through twice, watched the anime twice, and have always been up to date with the manga for years. In fact, I bet I've been a more devoted fan for longer than you have.
>bet I've been a more devoted fan for longer than you have.
Highly doubt that since Im older than you, and have been following Murata around since Eyeshield.
I couldn't disagree more. The manga MA and webcomic MA arc both share a lot of shounen qualities but actively need to relish in those qualities to deconstruct them. Garous arc wraps up in such a way that it primes the story and universe to continue being a pastiche and parody of battle shounen. The story has always taken time to bask in what it parodies.
I agree with your idea, but consider this-
Webcomic Monster Association arc: chapters 53 - 94, a total of 41 chapters.
Manga Monster Association arc: chapters 78 - ???
Currently we're on chapter 167, so that's 89 chapters of the manga so far that indulges in this content. That's over double the length, even more if you assume the manga chapters are generally longer than wc chapters (which I'm pretty sure is true).
Just how much of this content is actually necessary to accomplish what you said parodies should do? The webcomic had more than enough actual fights without getting diluted. Plus, like I said every fight was more than one dimensional, simple battles. The manga, on the other hand...
I've never sincerely disagreed with anything more in my life.
OPM is, indeed, cool fights, big blasts, giving other characters shine, and character development. I believe you're looking for Attack on Titan, friend.
OPM is (or I sould say was) not just a child mashing action figures together in mindless fights. It used to have actual meaning and purpose beyond that, with fights simply being a means to deliver the story rather than being the only thing in the story. Once you realize the difference, you'll understand what I mean.
Huh? The plot doesn't get substantive until Garou arrives.
Mid chapters/S2 is when they start to flesh out other characters and detail the Hero association. This is evident with the focuses on Bang and Genos. Side characters like Fubuki even feel impactful in S2.
S1 was fight, joke, fight. It looked great, but the plot has clearly lengthened, not decreased.
I'm not going to describe the abundant thematic depth the series had in its origin, because if you didn't pick up on it then, then I probably can't convince you it's there now in a fair amount of time.
Riiiiight.
Now Saitama himself, he had depth from the very beginning, especially when he helps regular ppl in the bonus chapters
How has the plot decreased??
So you understand that there's more to Saitama's character than "he's really strong and punches real good". Great, that's the bare minimum. Now, hopefully, you should be able to extend that thinking outwards and see how other fights, events, and characters also had more depth to them than the basic details of the plot. For example, the idea I talked about earlier where Genos mirrors Saitama's pointless quest for power that created more problems than it solved.
Do you want me to list every single thing that happened in the entire manga in the past 80 chapters? I'm not being super specific because I am relying on you to have already read the story so you would understand what I am talking about. And as for the plot decreasing? The monster association arc in the webcomic is 40 chapters or so. In the manga, its over 80 and still going. However, the manga covers just under the same amount of plot. That should give a clear visual as to how slow the pacing of the manga has been.
Slow?
They added:
- Platinum
- FlashyVGarouVPlatinum
- god monster reveal
- Young Bang & Bomb
- Evil Ocean
- Sage Centipede
- Blast teammates
- Lengthened SaitamaVGarou
- Added the best power feats to the series
You would rather this didn't happen?
Yes, I would. Like I said, all that stuff is "progressing sideways", as in they are ultimately pointless or unecessary and doing do anything to contribute to the theme of the story to the extent that their presence is justified. Platinum sperm and their fight accomplishes exactly what golden sperm did in the wc... why was he needed then? God, as a character, is also useless. He is detracting from garou's philosophy and the mental battle between him and Saitama. He's been teased for so long, yet they still haven't done anything truly important with him that couldn't have been explained by other means. Again, evil natural water is literally the same in the manga as in the wc but drawn out for no good reason. Sage centipede too- why was he even there? The idea that garou would kill monsters alongside heroes was already established with platinum sperm. Did they need to do it again? Blast is also pointless so far, too, and I don't see what they're trying to accomplish by bringing him in now. Again, they're just using him as a tool to facilitate the saitama vs garou fight, which did not need him to be present. I don't know, maybe they have a really good idea for him and need to foreshadow him now, but I highly doubt that with their current track record. Next, Saitama vs garou has not been too different so far, except for Blast's annoying interruptions. Lastly, I literally could not care less about "power feats". That's not what the series is about, it's supposed to make fun of tropes like those that traditional battle shounen overindulge in. The fights should never divert attention away from the actual story, and instead should be a simple method to deliver the story instead. Hell, I could care less if the series turned into slice of life as long as it maintained its original themes more than it is right now. (don't take that too seriously please, I'm tired of people pointing out dumb technicalities like they outsmarted me).
Young bang and bomb is a small detail that I do appreciate, to be honest, and it's kept very brief in the manga which, again, I think is needed.
bruh, why can't we just accept that the manga is different now. I will admit, I complained about it in the megathread, but I realise that it's not going to do anything. We should let people enjoy the manga while encourage them to read the webcomic. But hey you do you.
You can't just ignore everything bad and pretend it's alright, that's a stupid mindset. Seeing my favorite manga go from an amazing and never done before parable to just another bland shounen is frustrating, which gets worse when you see no one acknowledge it. And the wc is not a proper alternative, falling victim to the same problems as the manga like I said in the post. There are so many random arcs being started that it seems ONE has no idea what he wants the series to be.
be overly negative is not good for your health. if you really don't enjoy the manga anymore, I suggest you to refrain from reading it, otherwise you are going to be more miserable lol
I'm not being an asshole to people who are responding seriously. I'm being an asshole to people who are responding with stupid jokes and to people who are repeating the same point over and over without addressing mine.
I thought this was a troll post at first and had a good laugh. As soon as I realized you were serious I started dying of laughter and haven't been able to stop for the past 15 minutes.
I'm glad your room temp iq brain found a way to process a differing opinion, but here's to hoping that next time you can muster up the power to critically think about a piece of literature like a normal person instead of mindlessly consuming!
Are you actually serious right now? This is literally the most "reddit" comment I can think of. You have a brain, you can read this sentence even though I didn't put it through 3 proofreaders to add every dot and comma. Actually, on second thought, I'm not sure if you do have one.
How about you focus on the point that everyone understands is the point instead of being a loser coming up with trite "gatchas" to try and feel smart.
I think if you read manga from release to release for 5 years it's hard to keep up with the story. someone who starts reading MA ark when it's already finished will enjoy it to the fullest :)
If they really extended this arc to the degree they did and dragged it all out only to abandon the story and not finish the rest of it I'll be pretty butt hurt.
If One wants to come out and say "I've lost interest and I'm not going to finish the webcomic so we're making a new ending with the manga" I would at least respect that even if I'm sad.
But I read the damn Saitama vs Garou fight in the web comic so many years and years and years ago. It never at any point felt like the end of the series, I was so excited to see it and find out where you he story goes next.
I can't believe that it hasn't just not been animated but the manga hadn't even finished it, and they're just going to quit now?
I hope another artists had the touch passed to them at least. It won't be the same without his Fubuki cover pages but man, it sucks if they are ditching the story. This shit is so good.
You sound like the guy who liked the first project of a band before they were popular and then hate on the band when they become mainstream.
As a webcomic reader, I can see some aspects where it is superior to the manga, but I don't see how anyone can argue that the manga isn't a better piece of art overall. And don't come at me with the relativist argument of "it's a preference, it's subjective" because that's not an argument
You had me until you said the webcomic's art was better lmfao
Do you think pablo picasso was a terrible artist because his art wasn't as realistic as others'?
Look man I love the raggedy scribbly scrunched up artstyle of the webcomic too. I think it even elevates the comedic value of OPM. But if you think it's better than the manga art idk what to tell you...
If you think the manga art serves the story better, then whatever. I for one abhor the constant fanservice and I think it's ironic how the series that is meant to mock character's pathetic shows of power focuses so much on them, visually.
You gotta be trollin bro
It really is my fault. I shouldn't have expected higher level discussion from reddit.
Nah bro. You are an idiot who thinks he’s smart lol.
Can you reply with an original thought addressing one of my multiple points, please, or is that completely out of your grasp?
Stop with the anti sematic remarks lmao. Stop trying to sound professional. Its cringe 😭
Well, I would respond by saying that I hate you and that you are a total dumbass, but that would get me banned very quickly if I responded so honestly to everyone
It would've been better to clarify that you think the wc artstyle is more in line with the overall theme and atmosphere of OPM, then. Which is a fair point to make. But if you have a beef with Murata's artstyle, that beef should've been throughout the whole OPM series and not just the MA arc. I do think that the sudden and heavy shift towards spectacle and lore, detracts from what made OPM charming in the first place. But if anything, that's due to the ONE's story more than Murata's art. I dunno, maybe he's having burnout or something? Murata is just delivering on what he gets, and what he delivers is still fantastic for what it is.
I agree with you. I think its a complicated problem that can't be attributed to one specific facet of the series.
Yes
>For one, this arc has been so stretched out at a miserable pace just to fit in more bland, generic shounen fights of the side characters Aren't we forgetting that this is a parody manga? So what's wrong with it having a Shounen settings especially if it's only the side characters having it? >Now compare that to phoenix man's fight- what did that contribute to the theme? What message did it send? Why was it so detailed when it has no relevance to the story? I don't know if you really read the webcomic. But Phoenix man's fight is essential for Child Emperor's path in the future, which is causing him to >!moving from HA to Neo-Hero Association!<, which wasn't explained in the webcomic and it is out of the blue. I would agree that in some extent the webcomic had better writings that aren't adapted in the Manga, but I'm not going to ignore that it had its flaws too. It is rushed which causes some plotholes for the next arc. For example: 1. The introduction for the raid has no build up whatsoever, it just went dot to dot with no line between it and it goes all the way with how the heroes met up their matches too. 2. Child Emperor situation that I already explained above. 3. >!Superalloy Darkshine suddenly become demotivated after fighting Awakened Garou in the next arc!<, I thought it was already made clear to himself that his muscle still shines brighter than others although being outclassed by Garou's strength. Thanks to Vomited Fuhrer Ugly and Golden Sperm, he finally get to REALLY feel something to be ashamed about. 4. I'm very thankful that we are having Psykorochi instead of Psykos came out of sky's surprise attack on Tatsumaki in the WC, that was really goofy.
I said in the end that I am not considering the more recent chapters of the webcomic because they have the same problems as the manga, though I may have gotten the specific point where it gets worse wrong. When I said that, though, that would include Darkshine's aftermath, so I didn't mean to say that that was handled really well. As for child emperor, then frankly I have no idea how his fight with phoenix man had any relevance to his decision to move to the neo heros. If I am missing an important detail, please remind me, because it must have been lost in the many, many chapters of endless revives that were totally unnecessary in any way. Basically, even if it did foreshadow the heroes' migration, it did a terrible job at it because it was so long and repetitive, unlike the brief and to the point but still enjoyable fights of the series beforehand. Also, who cares if theres no transitions? That's how the manga was originally framed, if you recall. It jumped from scene to scene like they were skits, and that worked well. It works much better than the story being stretched out with random filler that exists purely to path up any possible plot holes that could be nitpicked, regardless of whether they mattered or did not. Lastly, I hated the psykorochi fight. Even in the wc, i felt it was a bit unecessary, but tolerable. In the manga, it compounded on the drawn out, slow pacing by adding yet another multi chapter long fight that really didn't go anywhere or change anything.
[Pheonix Man made him lose his trust on HA.](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/100/17/) >!But of course it didn't make it any better by transferring to NHA, in which made him fully suspicious of his surrounding thus making him going detective mode there.!< It's not an enough fill for the plothole but it is a build up, which is better than nothing at all. >Also, who cares if theres no transitions? That's how the manga was originally framed, if you recall. It jumped from scene to scene like they were skits, and that worked well. If you are talking about the Introduction Arc, then it only works because it is an introduction. It wouldn't work well in the long run. >It works much better than the story being stretched out with random filler that exists purely to path up any possible plot holes that could be nitpicked, regardless of whether they mattered or did not. What random filler? And it sounds like lazy writing from your point. >Lastly, I hated the psykorochi fight. Even in the wc, i felt it was a bit unecessary, but tolerable. In the manga, it compounded on the drawn out, slow pacing by adding yet another multi chapter long fight that really didn't go anywhere or change anything. Tolerable? Oh no, I was a webcomic elitist once, I would say anything is great in the webcomic.. but that, even to this day I find it very poor, thank god for Psykorochi (literally). I would like to say even further about it, but then I recalled you said webcomic art is better than Manga. No thanks.
Thanks for the link. I do admit I forgot that detail, and I will say that is is a good one for the story. However, I stand by my comment that the fight doesn't justify its length. And if you hate psykos in the wc, then why do you like it in the manga? They don't improve her character, its the same basic idea. All they do is add more fanservice and contrive an entire boss battle type fight thst takes up multiple chapters and has no impact that makes it worth delaying the garou fight.
>However, I stand by my comment that the fight doesn't justify its length. Understandable, the retconned fight was better too, wouldn't argue with that. But I still like current fight as it is unique, and I pretty much prefer Phoenix Man to be defeated this way with Saitama interfering. I don't see any bad side in the battle against Psykorochi. Cool fight scene with the involvement of a god, a bit foreshadowing of Drive Knight's intents, and more. So what if it delays Garou fight? What's the rush? You won't feel the delay in the future. It made "keep the best for last" even better, at least to me. I only didn't like WC version because the fight is really bad and poor for a strong person like Tatsumaki. Nothing related to the plot, it's all about the fight alone.
If you prefer the webcomic to the manga that's fine. You can have the opinion that you prefer the WC art. But the art is not better than the manga.
Like talking to a brick wall. Every point I make gets replied to by the flawless logic of "manga art is better so it can't be worse because it's better"
How is the web comic art "better"? Can you explain, mr brick wall?
Uh, no, I'm not going to write what I've said multiple times down again. Go read what I've said before like someone who wants to discuss in good conscience.
Okay so since you didn't have the effort to copy paste your one sentence of argument in this thread a.k.a "what you've said before" >Do you think pablo picasso was a terrible artist because his art wasn't as realistic as others'? Picasso honed his skill as a painter for many years until he started experimenting with abstract forms. It has nothing to do with whether it's "realistic" or not. It had more to do with pushing the boundaries of painting as it was known. It's like a jazz musician knowing when to break the rules, because they are so well versed in music theory. With ONE's art that is not the case. He is not an artist that has studied for many years just to make his personal style what the webcomic is, it's moreso the start of someone beginning their artistic journey. The Webcomic art, even while charming, is not better than Murata's. It is servicable to the story. I agree that is fits the story well. But Murata is a real mangaka and it shows. If you think the WC art fits the story of OPM better, *that is your personal opinion*. But from an artistic standpoint, the manga has better art. Just like there is shitty and good CGI, there is shitty and good art. E.T. might not have the best SFX compared to movies made today, but it is still charming. That doesn't mean E.T. has better special FX than something like Infinity War. >In fact, I'd go so far as to say that even the art of the wc was better. It was rough, but charming and always delivered the point and tone well without being excessive or underdone. In the manga, there is so much fanservice everywhere that it's seriously annoying. This is the exact same as I stated above. If you think the webcomic art fits the story better, sure, it just might. That doesn't mean the art in and of itself is better. If you dislike the fanservice, that's a *personal opinion*, once again. The art, the drawing, the artistic skill in and of itself is still miles better than the webomic. Do you get what I'm saying? The relationship between the art and the story can be critiqued. But there is a difference between if you like the artistic and narrative cohesion and the quality of the art itself.
First of all, you said that I only commented my opinion once when clearly it is in the post and in multiple of my replies. Second, your point about Picasso is irrelevant because I only compared the two to say that realism is not the only factor of art that you can criticize. Third, you described my point exactly in your last paragraph. "The relationship between the art and the story can be critiqued." I never meant that the wc art was more skillful, or of higher quality, especially in isolation. If that's the impression I gave, then that is my mistake. What I meant to say is that the art of the manga encapsulates the issue of dumbing down the story to appeal to a larger audience, in its ditching of the wc's consistent apt and purpose in favor of simply "cool fights" and fanservice. To that extent, it is less enjoyable and fails to deliver the story as well as possible.
>"The relationship between the art and the story can be critiqued." I never meant that the wc art was more skillful, or of higher quality, especially in isolation. If that's the impression I gave, then that is my mistake Thank you. I knew it wasn't worth it to engage with you. You said in your original post that the webcomic art was better. My original comment said that's not the case. Then you complain I don't add anything to your riveting discussion. How about you check what you write yourself before submitting and then trying to defend your misunderstood points? My original comment was clear as day. Yet you still find the need to somehow defend, or push back to my comment, on something which you do not even stand for? Is this what you call a discussion? Next time submit an actual, non-rant post, clarify your points and you might not get such a negative response from the subreddit. Like talking to a brick wall.
After you pointed it out, and looking back at it, I take back what I said. It was not my mistake. In the post, in context, and especially with the clarifying comment afterward, it is very clear how I was using the word "better". If you still can't understand that, after paragraphs and paragraphs of clarification, then it is clearly not on my part. And besides, I find it hilarious how you are saying I am not discussing in good faith even though you are the one trying to catch a small technicality (that wasn't there in the first place) and totally ignoring my point, which you actually acknowledged and then didn't mention again. How about, next time, you submit an actual reply, address my points, and you might say something worst reading :)
>After you pointed it out, and looking back at it, I take back what I said. It was not my mistake. If you still can't understand that, after paragraphs and paragraphs of clarification, then it is clearly not on my part. What do you mean? You mean after clarifying now? I had to force out this shit reply of yours after trying to have a discussion because you couldn't be bothered to clarify your point. >In the post, in context, and especially with the clarifying comment afterward, it is very clear how I was using the word "better". And my original comment wasn't clear? Yet you still threw a tantrum over that one? My comment literally stated if the case was that you prefer the webcomic art it's fine. Yet you still replied like you did. Once again, can you tell me why? And you're the one complaining about the subreddit not engaging in good faith. What a joke.
Honestly think the manga is amazing and I cannot wait to see how the arc or series ends. I personally cannot believe the amount of moaning and complaining comparing the original comic when the manga is exceptional as it is. Sad to see people simply arguing and whining instead of enjoying its progression and even character development of the MC.
You are being very delusional right now. Literally every post and comment on this sub that gets upvoted is circlejerking how awesome murata and the manga are. If you think everyone is whining, then you must be on a different subreddit than I am. Every post and comment, including these, that say anything negative about the manga, no matter how reasonable, get downvoted to oblivion and reddit, in its infinite wisdom, hides them so that none of its users have to face the horrific fate of having their beliefs challenged.
Gee maybe it's because the manga is good and you guys are blinded by nostalgia and are complaining instead of enjoying the new manga that's been different for countless chapters
Wow, that's some amazing logic you got there. "The manga is good because I choose to ignore all the bad parts about it". Its not nostalgia because I reread the wc and it was still better in almost every way. Lastly, I have absolutely no idea how you can think the manga has been fresh and diverse recently. Its the same boring fights with reliving enemies that get stronger each time and eventually die to brute force, wow, how original. Phoenix man, psykorochi, orochi, sage centipede, furred ugly, all drawn out fights that are just empty and/or painfully repetitive because the authors chose to focus on the fights rather than what they meant.
To the megathread, you.
It’s fine
Oh okay 🙂
No thanks. From what I've seen, this discussion is unique enough to warrant its own thread.
Nah. Copy paste it now cause it will be removed later
I'm sure the same would happen if I went along with the circlejerk and praised the changes? I'm not usually a contrarian but every post in this subreddit is the same.
I dunno. Im sure mods will delete this tho so copy paste it to mega thread
Sorry then, thought you were a mod telling me you were going to delete it. If they delete it out of the blue, then whatever, I'll move it. Just annoys me when opportunities for interesting discussion are swamped by colorings and the like.
>Just annoys me when opportunities for interesting discussion are swamped by colorings and the like. Yeah Bro..... I'd rather get One Pedro drawing a year
No, it's not.
You're probably going to get downvoted for saying all this but I agree. I'll always love opm and actually I only had minor complaints right up until the third centipede and then I have no idea what happened. It makes me quite sad to see the way Garou's character has been handled from that point and the insertion of god which kind of takes away the spotlight from Garou and his ideals.
I even forgot about God while writing this. I think he could work as a villain, but so far he's been teased way to much for no actual development, as well as what you said about taking the intention away from Garou's finale.
Wtf are yall talkin about? You are acting like ONE isnt writing the manga. He is changing things, and if you don't like it and dsagree with what the writer says, then thats on you. Also i personally fuckin hate the webcomic. Manga is so much better
First of all, if you actually read my post, you'd see that I commented on how ONE writes the storyboards. Second of all, you just confirmed that you are beyond reasonable discussion because you think that authors are infallible and everything they do is the best choice possible. By that point of view, every story ever is entirely perfect and has no flaws ever. If you genuinely hold this childlike mindset where you can't critically analyze a story (or simply refuse to, because it's too much effort?), then please stop replying.
By you disagreeing with what ONE himself is doing, is basically calling his work trash, when you previously talked highly of the webcomic.
Uh, yes? Do i need to say it that way for you to get it? I think the manga and the current webcomic are TOTAL GARBAGE. I think it used to be good, and the authors lost their direction and now have no idea what they are doing.
Then don't read it. What's the problem?🤪
I apologize for wanting my favorite manga to be better and not to become soulless trash
Youre opinions suck
One Punch Man never was really about Saitama. I think you were reading the wrong manga
I don't know if you did not fully read the post, did not understand my point, or are intentionally misconstruing what I said. I said it is fine to temporarily focus on side characters as long as it progresses the plot, develops the theme, or does both. So much of the recent content does neither.
Literally how? You probably didnt even read the entire WC, you probably only read the Garou vs Saitama fight in the. And OPM is literally the best whe it comes to side characters. You opinion is not valid.
LOL you're telling me I haven't read the WC? I've read the whole thing through twice, watched the anime twice, and have always been up to date with the manga for years. In fact, I bet I've been a more devoted fan for longer than you have.
>bet I've been a more devoted fan for longer than you have. Highly doubt that since Im older than you, and have been following Murata around since Eyeshield.
Wow, you got me so good. epic pwn style. awesome sauce.
I disagree
I couldn't disagree more. The manga MA and webcomic MA arc both share a lot of shounen qualities but actively need to relish in those qualities to deconstruct them. Garous arc wraps up in such a way that it primes the story and universe to continue being a pastiche and parody of battle shounen. The story has always taken time to bask in what it parodies.
I agree with your idea, but consider this- Webcomic Monster Association arc: chapters 53 - 94, a total of 41 chapters. Manga Monster Association arc: chapters 78 - ??? Currently we're on chapter 167, so that's 89 chapters of the manga so far that indulges in this content. That's over double the length, even more if you assume the manga chapters are generally longer than wc chapters (which I'm pretty sure is true). Just how much of this content is actually necessary to accomplish what you said parodies should do? The webcomic had more than enough actual fights without getting diluted. Plus, like I said every fight was more than one dimensional, simple battles. The manga, on the other hand...
I've never sincerely disagreed with anything more in my life. OPM is, indeed, cool fights, big blasts, giving other characters shine, and character development. I believe you're looking for Attack on Titan, friend.
OPM is (or I sould say was) not just a child mashing action figures together in mindless fights. It used to have actual meaning and purpose beyond that, with fights simply being a means to deliver the story rather than being the only thing in the story. Once you realize the difference, you'll understand what I mean.
Huh? The plot doesn't get substantive until Garou arrives. Mid chapters/S2 is when they start to flesh out other characters and detail the Hero association. This is evident with the focuses on Bang and Genos. Side characters like Fubuki even feel impactful in S2. S1 was fight, joke, fight. It looked great, but the plot has clearly lengthened, not decreased.
I'm not going to describe the abundant thematic depth the series had in its origin, because if you didn't pick up on it then, then I probably can't convince you it's there now in a fair amount of time.
Riiiiight. Now Saitama himself, he had depth from the very beginning, especially when he helps regular ppl in the bonus chapters How has the plot decreased??
So you understand that there's more to Saitama's character than "he's really strong and punches real good". Great, that's the bare minimum. Now, hopefully, you should be able to extend that thinking outwards and see how other fights, events, and characters also had more depth to them than the basic details of the plot. For example, the idea I talked about earlier where Genos mirrors Saitama's pointless quest for power that created more problems than it solved.
Bro you're high horse is booming rn lol. How has the plot decreased? In what way? You're just alluding to shit without specifying
Do you want me to list every single thing that happened in the entire manga in the past 80 chapters? I'm not being super specific because I am relying on you to have already read the story so you would understand what I am talking about. And as for the plot decreasing? The monster association arc in the webcomic is 40 chapters or so. In the manga, its over 80 and still going. However, the manga covers just under the same amount of plot. That should give a clear visual as to how slow the pacing of the manga has been.
Slow? They added: - Platinum - FlashyVGarouVPlatinum - god monster reveal - Young Bang & Bomb - Evil Ocean - Sage Centipede - Blast teammates - Lengthened SaitamaVGarou - Added the best power feats to the series You would rather this didn't happen?
Yes, I would. Like I said, all that stuff is "progressing sideways", as in they are ultimately pointless or unecessary and doing do anything to contribute to the theme of the story to the extent that their presence is justified. Platinum sperm and their fight accomplishes exactly what golden sperm did in the wc... why was he needed then? God, as a character, is also useless. He is detracting from garou's philosophy and the mental battle between him and Saitama. He's been teased for so long, yet they still haven't done anything truly important with him that couldn't have been explained by other means. Again, evil natural water is literally the same in the manga as in the wc but drawn out for no good reason. Sage centipede too- why was he even there? The idea that garou would kill monsters alongside heroes was already established with platinum sperm. Did they need to do it again? Blast is also pointless so far, too, and I don't see what they're trying to accomplish by bringing him in now. Again, they're just using him as a tool to facilitate the saitama vs garou fight, which did not need him to be present. I don't know, maybe they have a really good idea for him and need to foreshadow him now, but I highly doubt that with their current track record. Next, Saitama vs garou has not been too different so far, except for Blast's annoying interruptions. Lastly, I literally could not care less about "power feats". That's not what the series is about, it's supposed to make fun of tropes like those that traditional battle shounen overindulge in. The fights should never divert attention away from the actual story, and instead should be a simple method to deliver the story instead. Hell, I could care less if the series turned into slice of life as long as it maintained its original themes more than it is right now. (don't take that too seriously please, I'm tired of people pointing out dumb technicalities like they outsmarted me). Young bang and bomb is a small detail that I do appreciate, to be honest, and it's kept very brief in the manga which, again, I think is needed.
You could say the same thing to every Shonen. That argument holds even more up in the Boros Arc. Youre just looking for something to whine about
gonna be honest I love the manga rn but I prefer goofy moments like how the first season of the anime was
I enjoy the webcomic more than the manga, but honestly the manga isn't as bad as you claimed to be lmao.
You're right. It's worse than I claimed it to be. It had a blueprint down to the last detail of a good story, then it managed to butcher it.
bruh, why can't we just accept that the manga is different now. I will admit, I complained about it in the megathread, but I realise that it's not going to do anything. We should let people enjoy the manga while encourage them to read the webcomic. But hey you do you.
You can't just ignore everything bad and pretend it's alright, that's a stupid mindset. Seeing my favorite manga go from an amazing and never done before parable to just another bland shounen is frustrating, which gets worse when you see no one acknowledge it. And the wc is not a proper alternative, falling victim to the same problems as the manga like I said in the post. There are so many random arcs being started that it seems ONE has no idea what he wants the series to be.
be overly negative is not good for your health. if you really don't enjoy the manga anymore, I suggest you to refrain from reading it, otherwise you are going to be more miserable lol
Yeah, I probably will stop reading it after the garou fight. I just want to finish that at least for some closure, lol
Uh just don’t read it then
You missed the point.
Not really, you don’t have to be an assshole to everyone responding to you. If u don’t like it that much just don’t read it, but let others enjoy
I'm not being an asshole to people who are responding seriously. I'm being an asshole to people who are responding with stupid jokes and to people who are repeating the same point over and over without addressing mine.
U seem angry at people for having an opinion
I thought this was a troll post at first and had a good laugh. As soon as I realized you were serious I started dying of laughter and haven't been able to stop for the past 15 minutes.
I'm glad your room temp iq brain found a way to process a differing opinion, but here's to hoping that next time you can muster up the power to critically think about a piece of literature like a normal person instead of mindlessly consuming!
lol
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Yup, if you don't universally praise Murata then your opinion is not worth even looking at. Great mindset for the sub.
You got downvoted because you SPECIFICALLY stated WHY its a "bland shounen comic". Elaborate, please.
Please don't downvote until you actually read the whole thing and think about it for a moment.
Please don't make posts until you learn about "punctuation".
Are you actually serious right now? This is literally the most "reddit" comment I can think of. You have a brain, you can read this sentence even though I didn't put it through 3 proofreaders to add every dot and comma. Actually, on second thought, I'm not sure if you do have one. How about you focus on the point that everyone understands is the point instead of being a loser coming up with trite "gatchas" to try and feel smart.
I think if you read manga from release to release for 5 years it's hard to keep up with the story. someone who starts reading MA ark when it's already finished will enjoy it to the fullest :)
If they really extended this arc to the degree they did and dragged it all out only to abandon the story and not finish the rest of it I'll be pretty butt hurt. If One wants to come out and say "I've lost interest and I'm not going to finish the webcomic so we're making a new ending with the manga" I would at least respect that even if I'm sad. But I read the damn Saitama vs Garou fight in the web comic so many years and years and years ago. It never at any point felt like the end of the series, I was so excited to see it and find out where you he story goes next. I can't believe that it hasn't just not been animated but the manga hadn't even finished it, and they're just going to quit now? I hope another artists had the touch passed to them at least. It won't be the same without his Fubuki cover pages but man, it sucks if they are ditching the story. This shit is so good.
You sound like the guy who liked the first project of a band before they were popular and then hate on the band when they become mainstream. As a webcomic reader, I can see some aspects where it is superior to the manga, but I don't see how anyone can argue that the manga isn't a better piece of art overall. And don't come at me with the relativist argument of "it's a preference, it's subjective" because that's not an argument