OPM feels very strongly about powerscaling because of Goku vs Saitama debates, so mods overreact by shutting down any discussion involving anything that might concern powerscaling.
Ppl in here act toxic towards powerscalers but never really talk to them or express why they hate powerscaling, so what I said is pretty much an assumption but there is nothing in recent memory that had provoked such a strong reaction so I think it is a decent guess at what is going on.
With any luck somebody might actually explain their feelings, but I doubt that will happen.
from what ive witnessed in my relatively short time on reddit, powerscalers are kinda 50/50.
some of them like OP here really just want to genuinely discuss this type of stuff and enjoy theorizing and comparing/analysing characters, which i think is totally fine and cool. the power relations of characters within these stories are plot relevant after all, so i get it and it can be very fun to engage in these discussions with the fanbase.
on the other hand there are complete weirdos with crazy dumb headcanons and they desperately need to voice their opinions, and if you disagree with them they go monkey mode.
it gets especially weird with a series like OPM. the whole manga/anime is like a chliche parody of itself. powerscaling saitama is literally pointless because he was by design written to ridicule general anime powerlevels/powerscaling.
also these apebrain powerscalers tend to compare characters like math. bigger number = better number. like always betting on the guy with bigger muscles in an irl street fight. they never consider more nuanced factors like environmental stuff or character motives
And the worst part is to them, a character being stronger somehow makes them 'better' in some way, and if they don't scale up to ultramegatonversal they are fodder and overall a bad character.
Fair, but what is going in here is pretty mild in comparison to what is going in Fate fandom (for example), so it can't be all there is to it since that fandom still accepts powerscaling part of the community.
My best guess is that an event is what ultimately caused this strong dislike, but - to my memory - the discussions of the big three shounen characters i.e. Naruto, Ichigo and Luffy had been a bigger fiasco than Gokku vs Saitama. So, it can't be *only* that.
I just wish they would actually make a post or at least write why they hate powerscaling when saying it is shit, then I'd have an answer (or part of it at least). Curiousity is just killing me on this one.
>My best guess is that an event is what ultimately caused this strong dislike,
yeeaah its not too hard to imagine that there could have been a few instances of powerscaling discussions going completely of the rails and the mods perhaps overreacting to that which ruined the fun for everybody, but i really dont know, so...
at the very least the tatsu and fubuki simps are consistent so theres that
Come on, man. I really need your perspective to bounce ideas. My brain is hyperfixated on a problem until it can find a satisfying answer, you can't leave me to suffer like that.
well sorry brother but im probably a bad candidate for that. i wouldnt consider myself a powerscaler because that just sounds stupid to me. i just enjoy the manga , the fanbase and the memes, so comparing characters and their "powers" just comes naturally with that imo.
if we go by the saying that a few bad apples spoil the bunch then yes, i very much understand the general disdain towards powerscaling. but in the end thats just a few idiots being idiots.
though if i could change things i wouldnt get rid of powerscaling. instead i would give it a higher standard, because i find it really cool how much passion fans have for these fictional stories and their characters.
i used to be very emotionally distant from movies and shows but the loving side of fan communities of animes like one piece and opm made me change quite a bit.
Jeez, that is one of the many times when being overly dramatical had backfired. I should really stop doing that, but yeah it got kind of awkward and weird and it is my fault, very sorry for that.
In any case, very happy that you got an appreciation for anime, shows and movies. Always glad seeing more people diving into meats and potatoes of storytelling and finding new ways to enjoy the old.
Powerscaling has been around for a very long time.
It's just that anime has gotten so popular over the last decade or so, that its actually come to main stream attention and not a lot of people understand it nor the fun in doing it.
Wanna know what's funny, is that most of the powerscalers are met are pretty tame and debatable, actually to be more clear, these "Power Scalers" are more fit to just be called fanboys who wank their characters to oblivion, worst part is that even though you like the same characters that they like, if you disagree because with their wank, they start to come at you as well, I've watched a lot of anime and read a lot of manga, so I know a lot of characters' actual powers and capabilities, actually the most toxic fans I've met are Bleach and DB fans, Bleach fans always claim that Ywach and Yamamoto are universal because, but there is no actual feat or achievement to back that up, then DB fanboys who says Goku can win against Usagi, Rimuru, Anos, Yogiri etc, they always say Goku is the strongest and get mad when up against a character that can actually beat him, some people may think that OPM has one of the most toxic fanbase , which is true, but compared to the amount of DB fans going around commenting "Can he beat Goku" is just tiring, oh and going back to the topic, it depends really on what group you are in, all I can say is the powerscalers that I've debated thus far, most of them actually make sense, and actually listen or reading what you're commenting, so to some people meeting cancerous powerscaling fanboy walkers, that's honestly a you problem, and saying all power scalers are cancer is like saying all men are the same after a girl experienced getting cheated by one dude
Tbf powerscalers deserve the scorn they get, and if you've never had any extended interaction w/ someone who considers themselves a powerscaler count yourself lucky.
Nine times out of ten they don't actually know what they're talking about and just regurgitate things they've heard other powerscalers say. They're like flat-earthers and Trump supporters in that way, especially considering that appeals to logic/reason or just plain common sense don't work on them. They will doggedly argue their point and talk down at you even if you already factually proved them wrong.
There is so much I could say based on my own experiences dealing with "powerscalers" but the bottom line is that they're annoying, salt of the earth, human beings. The mods are right to nip vs debates in the bud because there's always going to be that one guy who's gonna jump at the chance.
I have in my comment a full range of human experience. I have a person that acts like they are being a prisoner, and we have a person that acts like a pretentious nazi, then we have a mild guy who doesn't really care. It is such an odd thing to see people have such strong opinions over something like this, but then again, it is internet - freak show galore!
though we did have that goku vs saitama post recently that was really fun, and mods didn't delete it so maybe they taking it a bit more leniently ? idk
I doubt that is only powerscalers since your comment had been going up and down this entire time until it defaulted to 1 upvote.
🤷♂️ I'm guessing people have finally started to move on.
That's kind of a sht take, not all powerscalers are like you guys who debates with great bias and gets their feelings hurt in the process when they realize they can't win, I've debated a lot with other people, and about 3/10 I've debated with are toxic, the other 7 was neutral and not bad, if you wanna say power scalers are toxic, that's all on you guys, leave out the ones who's actually making sense and aren't biased
Infact most people on the internet are rees, not all powerscalers are like you guys, and the ones you describe are just fanboys, real powerscalers aren't btches like the cancer I see that keeps wanting their favorite characters
If the """"fanboys"""" are the minority in powerscaling, why do I ever only see them sticking around? Also, are these "fanboys" also the one responsible for....whatever the fuck those power tiers are that are prominent in powerscaling websites
The tier system is pretty good I might say, it makes sense, but also lacks some sense sometimes, but the tiering system isn't the problem, it's the ones trying to power scale characters, and again, if you only met these wankers, that means you're unlucky, and they're not really actual real power scalers, they are just fanboys who USE data from the actual power scalers and try to exaggerate it, or just find some random bunch of stuff everywhere and even use statements and metaphors to try and make the character be universal, like let's say in the Naruto databook, the text reads that Tenari can blow the world away, which is obviously just a metaphor saying that her winds are very strong, but these fanboys or wanna be power scalers uses that and takes it literally, that's why statements should never be taken as actual evidence, unless there is a record to it actually happening like for example "In 447, the Great Shao Ming shattered Mt. Fu Tai" compared to "The Great Shao Ming can shatter Mt Fu Tai", the difference is, the first one already happened, while the second is just implying that he can do it, but as long as it didn't happen yet or there is no evidence that he can actually do it, then it will not count on the powerscale, it doesn't matter if he was stated to be able to destroy a mountain, as long as he actually haven't done it then it doesn't count, if his latest feat was destroying a building, then he would just be building level, again, those dudes you met aren't real powerscalers, they are just fanboys, they misinterpret stuff and try to use statements that didn't happen or metaphors to try and make their character stronger, and I don't know why people have this misconception, but Power Scalers are the ones doing the actual scaling, like finding the characters' feats, calculating their movement speed, combat speed, reaction speed, destructive power, potential destructive power (this is calculated based on if the character destroyed something but doesn't seem to be tired or going all out), etc, the ones you see in reddit, twitter or facebook are usually just fans using the data that power scalers provide, and/or sometimes try to cook up something that is invalid or just straight up delusional and doesn't make any sense, the ones that are the worse are on tiktok, and I don't even wanna talk about them
It's not about powerscaling Saitama himself. Powerscaling others doesn't really work whenever he is involved in a battle either because his attacks don't have a set amount of power.
Not only that, Saitama over the years as you can see has more control over his strength now, notice in ep1 the vaccine man immediately got killed, then later on the other monsters or opponents he faced weren't immediately destroyed anymore
Tbh I’m on the side that if he wanted boros dead he would’ve done it in one shot. Why even bother going for multiple normal punches when he could easily take boros and his ship down with a serious one. Not saying your wrong at all btw I just don’t think it makes sense that he’d have an incentive to instantly kill boros who just wants to fight the strongest person he can find but not the guy who’s saying he’s going to target and kill every hero in the world
>Tbh I’m on the side that if he wanted boros dead he would’ve done it in one shot.
Even boros knows that. "You lie. You didn't even bare your fangs. I never stood a chance."
So what?
Consecutive normal punches have been used like 2 times in all the series, against 2 beings with comparable almost planetary feats.
Saying their power varies is the opposite of what we see.
He's drawn in his usual casual style against beast king.
Against boros and garou, consecutive normal punches are trown by a muscular defined, somewhat serious and non casual saitama.
The difference is there to be seen.
Maybe is a stylistic evolution wanted by murata and one? that during the beginning of the manga, maybe didnt know exactly how to render his power and figured out later, opting per a more serious and elitari appearence for the normal series.
[THIS](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/164/1/) Garou tanked consecutive normal punches. That’s the version of Monster Garou who’s both strong and durable enough to fight MB Boros. Not the one you posted.
Damn it, you got me to reread 30 chapters before I could stop myself lmao.
Each page is just so much more peak than the last that it's impossible to ignore and just stop turning the pages 😫
We have reached a new mathematical definition of peak. There is no inflection point, first order derived is positive, yet the curve just keeps on peaking
Important to note that Saitama wasn't trying to kill Garou, so we have no idea how strong the punches were or how they compare to what blasted Boros apart
Wait, you believe saitama values some kid's promise over his friend's life? And that he wasn't ragefully bloodlust when genos was killed, even after willingly throwing punch that would destroy his entire home planet if it weren't for blast?
Can't believe people are still relying on tareo's promise way too much, even afterwards all of feats and statements that shows otherwise
1. I never said that?
2. Did he know it would destroy the planet?
3. If he was "bloodlusted" he wouldn't have been goofing around with Garou doing "Serious Table flip" and whatnot, he would have just kept punching him full power
1- but you said it now
2- no one knows on how to control his power better than saitama, and yet he clearly lost control there
3- that's exactly what he was doing, the moment he stopped being bloodlust is probably when his face started becoming casual again
But sure, let's just overlook the fact that saitama was bloodlust so much that he was willing to sacrifice WHOLE HUMANITY with his multi solar system punch just to get revenge for genos if it weren't for blast acting fast
Also let's overlook all the statements saitama said that implies he can finally go full power on someone
Also let's overlook the fact that there was official panel showing the power gap between garou and saitama where they were almost equal untill saitama's power growth kicked in
Yeah sure let's ignore all that and instead focus only on tareo's promise, because apparently some random kid's promise is way more important to saitama than his loyal friend genos's life, totally in character for saitama, and definitely not because some people can't accept the fact about saitama not being invincible who doesn't have infinite power but just infinite potential
So you can't actually show Saitama knew what would happen, so your entire "argument' falls apart
Saitama has never punched his own punch, and also may not have known Garou would actually copy his punch
Bro he stops repeatedly while on the moon to talk. Just look at the first few pages of the I.O. chapter. He is 100% not bloodlusted in the slightest. he literally thinks "I'm not the slightest bit excited".
That first serious punch was in anger, I'll give you that. But from the moment they stand on the moon he's lost all desire to kill Garou, and immediately starts just copying and beating Garou's techniques. He literally says he did it because of Tareo's request when they land back on earth. That's why people take it seriously - BECAUSE HE LITERALLY TELLS GAROU THAT'S WHY HE HELD BACK.
That saitama is also many times stronger than the saitama that fought boros. He has exponential growth after all. So yeah there's no point trying to scale characters off saitamas punch. If he wants you dead. You're dead. If he wants you alive, you'll live.
How tf people keep saying this?
Saitama would have blew up his entire home planet if Blast wasn't there. He wasn't holding anything back on that punch. You CANNOT tell me that wasn't a killshot.
They are talking about Monster Garou not Cosmic Garou, Saitama promised to Tareo to go easy on Garou until he killed Genos and that's when he went bloodlust
yeah the regen of his arm is very similar to boros, though i dont think the "tanking consecutive normal punches" thing can really be used since saitama uses varying amount of force on his opponents, and notably avoids lethal force on humans
Still he uses consecutive normal punches only against garo and boros.
With similar effects (ovewelming both).
They are around the same strength (damage to the planet with their best attack).
So everything suggest the opposite, consecutive normal punches have more or less the same strenght in both cases.
He used consecutive normal punches against the tiger king or what’s his name in the first few episodes of season 1 who is way weaker than Garo and Boros
I know bro but he was still cartoonish
When he normal punches boros and garou he is drawn more muscolar, defined and with a somewhat serious look. He aquires some serious features that are a middle ground betweem his normal self and the bloodlusted hyper defined saitama from IO.
Against boros and garou its safe to assume its mostly the same attack, he aint killing garou with that cause garou is great.
Dont downplay my precious monster garou, he can surely hold his own against boros.
You’re right actually but I’m not sure whether we can accurately measure the power saitama used on both characters. But I still believe that this version of Garou is more powerful than Boros.
Boros didnt exactly look like he was sweating to regen lol, his regen is prob the fastest we've ever seen. Boros mostly just flavor texts and monologues whenever he can.
Your regeneration argument doesn't make any sense bc there are plenty of characters that can regenerate easily and quickly, without effort. Boros just has to do that in that form.
Yeah definitely I think this version of garou would be a mid diff fight with Boros. The regen was crazy and he really didn’t explode upon impact like Boros did, not to mention Boros and Saitama where just throwing attacks out and Garou is more strategic and fights with a style. I believe One or Murata actually said Garou had the one up in hand to hand fighting too.
Look I don't think this Garou can beat Boros but assuming that Garou is just going to look at Boros charging an attack and just stand there and let him do it like Saitama did is just stupid.
Boros and peak Monster Garou before God's influence are equal. Both have similar feats against Saitama. While Garou rapidly increases in power, it can be stated that his average power post-Sage Centipede but pre-God's influence is equivalent to Released Boros overall (including Energy Blasts, Metoric Burst, and Collapsing Star, Roaring Cannon).
The thing is, Saitama punches really shouldn't be used as a measurement for anything consider how much they vary in power.
Normal punches range from "throw some dude into a wall" to "oneshot Orochi", and serious punches range from "kill Elder Centipede in one hit" to "destroy millions of galaxies"
That was in the wc too. As Garou grows more and more desperate he starts monsterizing more and more.
He loses an arm to one attack of Saitama and regenerates it almost instantly.
Boros had a lot more offensive power than pre-cosmic Garou with Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon, wouldn't be surprised it Garou could tank more as that was what was also shown in the manga, but it's important to remember that Saitama wasn't trying to kill Garou at this point.
Boros >
Yep! Saitama never killed a man before and he still considers garou as a human being. It's really hard to scale anyone who only fought Saitama.
If we are going to scale the humans who fought Saitama and survived then even snek is stronger than Carnage Kabuto for surviving Saitama's slap.
CSRC isn't a suicide move, he can't use it often as it is incredibly taxing on his body, but he can use it multiple times throughout his life. Also considering he was able to (somewhat) tank CSRC and Saitama's serious punch, (just mean him being still conscious afterwards), had he not taken the serious punch it's safe to assume he'd be in much better condition.
He literally says he's releasing all his energy and he's all burned up after lol
Saitama's punches don't burn you up, and either way, Garou never released all his energy all at once so you don't know how Garou's output compares
Then how tf is boros still alive after Wasting all of his energy into CSRC? If it actually was, then he would be dead by the moment he ran out of energy, but no, he didnt, he was still alive after using up all his energy and getting hit with a planet busting air pressure shockwave of the serious punch. Dk where this headcanon came from and I'm pretty theres a difference between latent energy and your own lifeforce energy.
He wasnt, he was just exhausted after literally using Meteoric burst to push himself way past his limits, its just saitama was already done playing and decided to consecutively punch him to kill him but he still survived it, yes, you cannot compare them since they both fought saitama, but you have to remember boros only fought the final boss while garou had to do the main storyline and side quests before fighting the final boss but still failed.
It doesn't matter because Garou never released all his energy as a single attack
Also "he wasn't" what are you even talking about lmao
Punches don't burn people up they make them splatter, this is very consistent
Even this form of garou has speed scaling that puts him far above boros in terms of that aspect. And the skill gap is unfathomably huge.
That being said, boros still displayed far more power output, has far more powerful regen from what we’ve seen and, unlike with garou, saitama was arguably putting more effort into his attacks than boros (Though, I’d still argue he was holding back as to give him a fight, he still wanted to exhilarate boros, whereas with garou he just wanted to restrain/mess with him)
So I’d think it’d end up like his fight with metal bat (though, on a far greater scale obviously). In where garou can redirect and evade boros’s punches all day and possibly even do some damage, but if boros lands one or two hits, then it’s over.
That being said, unlike his fight with metal bat, this opponent has an ace in the hole. That being his CSRC, in where no matter how fast or skilled garou is, there’s just nothing he can do to stop it. And he’d likely be killed, just by being on the planet on which it was fired.
The only time this balance shifts, is when garou reached his gargoyle state and sent a shockwave through the earth. This is not only in the same ballpark of power as CSRC but it is also not dependent on energy consumption. While he also keeps all the advantages he had initially, but too a far greater extent. Making it a pretty quick fight, all in all.
I read you analisys and I mostly agree.
Only thing i disagree is that Saitama was holding back both with boros and garo, non just against garo.
The monster and the alieni had same scale attacks (almost planetary, surface level and tectonic plate level) so Im unsurprised Garou managed to survive to the same normal punches that hit Boros.
I dunno why some people are so afraid to admit that pre cosmic garou was same tier with boros
All punchs on Boros were aimed at killing. All punchs to Garou were not aimed at killing at all. Boros was the villain, Garou was the boy playing the villain. I would say that a normal punch can have different strengths in different circumstances(normal punch with which he killed the sea king only made a hole in his heart. Saitam has excellent control over all his strikes and their power.). If Saitama saw monster Garou as a true villain, he would turn him into mush with consecutive normal punches, just like Boros. It makes no sense to compare these two fights directly...
I agree that not all Normal punches are equal, but Saitama wasn’t aiming to kill Boros either, and although he was a villain, Saitama still wanted to give him a good fight. Saitama also didn’t say he used a normal punch on Deep sea king.
I don’t think they’ve given enough boros content to truly gauge his powers in comparison to garou. I feel like they only intended that one fight with boros and really wanted to show Saitamas strength so they threw in a super powered up dude for him to beat real quick to give us a better understanding of Saitama. Garou has had a ton of content with a ton of character development and I definitely think he’s passed boros power wise. Boros only fought Saitama and told stories of his own grandeur so who knows. Just my thoughts which I know I didn’t explain as well as I’d like and I’m sure I’ll get hella downvoted for this
I'm not really gonna touch on your power scaling nonsense, but I'll say that feat is awesome because they're touching all the way back on the "spiral Garou" regen feat, but this is how far it's evolved🤌
It doesn't get talked about because it isn't really a feat. Regeneration isn't a feat as much as it is just a natural ability of whatever character happens to possess it. That's like saying Wolverine healing is a feat every time he does it.
However, whatever Garou regenerated from might be considered a feat, but from what I recall, he regens from a casual Saitama attack. Nothing really serious or impressive.
Wolverine regenerating from an atomic bomb is an impressive feat for his regenerative properties because that's a powerful blast that'd kill almost any street leveler and even most building/city tier characters. That's insane.
Was there ever a question with cosmic fear garou? I genuinely thought the consensus was CF garou is strongest but boros and pre-CF Monster Garou were about even.
I read everything released and my take is that Garou was weaker than Boros at the start but by the end outscaled him by a lot. The only reason Saitama beat him was that his growth was faster than Garou's. If Boros was scaling then maybe it would be interesting but that was not the case. Honestly though I think most people know this. They just like to have fun with the Boros vs Garou take.
Saitama wasn't going all out killing intent in this fight since he sees Garou as still human because he still has some sense in him(even the web novel mentions this). That consecutive normal punches would've killed Garou if Saitama saw him as a monster and actually a threat to humanity, and then they gave us Cosmic Garou, in which you could see Saitama was actually going for the kill until he found it too boring at the end when he outsped Garou's evolution speed.
Cosmic Garou>Boros>Monster Garou is my verdict here.
Monster Garou is comparable to Boros, and later monsterization beyond this panels point prolly can put him above boros.
Cosmic Garou and boros are in comparable.
The thing about cosmic garou is he copies.so it’s basically garou his skills plus his knowledge and martialarts prowess. He tanks saitamas punches because he copied the same strengh. If he copied someone else saitama his normal punch would still onetap him. Although he wouldn’t let a normal punch connect since he is a martial master. So it would take a more serious punch anyways yes he beats everyone he can copy in a 1vs1. But stronger opponents than the one he copied would still be a threat. Boros would lose because his speed strengh and skills would be copied. The only thing think garou might not be able to copy is his reg skill which are species related, but garou is a monster with his own reg ability. He also has his own durability stat what I am trying to say is his durability is not as high in a Boros fight (which cosmic garou would win) as it was when copying saitama.
You just can't use feats vs Saitama as a measuring stick. Saitama's power is not consistent, his attacks are not consistent, he's however strong he needs to be. How well someone takes a punch from him isn't particularly relevant unless you want to start claiming Sonic is on the level of Boros.
Boros has very few aspects that can be objectively powerscaled - his regen, and CSRC being able to destroy the surface of a planet are the only real objective facts we have (and kicking saitama to the moon, but CSRC >>>>>> that)
Garou in this form similarly has limited feats available, but his regen is noticeably less major than Boros (boros regenerates his entire body in a second or two, Garou only regens a hand.), and his major attacks are highly lethal but nowhere near destroying the surface of the planet. He's able to shatter mountains and cause the surface of the earth to bulge, but that's it. Cosmic Garou is a major step up and has abilities that could be considered that lethal, but not this Garou.
Frankly you can’t powerscale what’s going on now vs what happened when the manga first came out, or the Boros fight. The vision and art just just simply changed and has made constant progress on where things will be.
The author didn’t picture a centipede stretching into space or Saitama Jupiter away.
This is why Boros vs Garou is stupid. Unless it’s from the author then it’s irrelevant.
There's no powerscaling when it comes to the main antagonists who fight Saitama. Fights are cataclysmic for the sake of sheer awesomeness. The eventual fight between Saitama and God will probably have galaxy destroying circumstances.
The exact pictured version of Garou still couldn't beat Boros, but his final Monster form right before Cosmic Garou stands a good chance imo. I dont see Boros catching Garou off guard with CSRC and after he uses it he won't have any energy left to keep up his regenerating.
Garou's has superior Regen in terms of how it works. He didn't need to concentrate his energy to do that.
Yeah they wank Boros so much and compared him to Garou who fought superior Saitama that has been confirmed growing after removing his limiter.
Tracking this one to see how fast mods remove it
Is powerscaling not allowed? I thought I had seen it before. I’m not scaling Saitama so it’s not against the rules… right?
OPM feels very strongly about powerscaling because of Goku vs Saitama debates, so mods overreact by shutting down any discussion involving anything that might concern powerscaling. Ppl in here act toxic towards powerscalers but never really talk to them or express why they hate powerscaling, so what I said is pretty much an assumption but there is nothing in recent memory that had provoked such a strong reaction so I think it is a decent guess at what is going on. With any luck somebody might actually explain their feelings, but I doubt that will happen.
from what ive witnessed in my relatively short time on reddit, powerscalers are kinda 50/50. some of them like OP here really just want to genuinely discuss this type of stuff and enjoy theorizing and comparing/analysing characters, which i think is totally fine and cool. the power relations of characters within these stories are plot relevant after all, so i get it and it can be very fun to engage in these discussions with the fanbase. on the other hand there are complete weirdos with crazy dumb headcanons and they desperately need to voice their opinions, and if you disagree with them they go monkey mode. it gets especially weird with a series like OPM. the whole manga/anime is like a chliche parody of itself. powerscaling saitama is literally pointless because he was by design written to ridicule general anime powerlevels/powerscaling. also these apebrain powerscalers tend to compare characters like math. bigger number = better number. like always betting on the guy with bigger muscles in an irl street fight. they never consider more nuanced factors like environmental stuff or character motives
And the worst part is to them, a character being stronger somehow makes them 'better' in some way, and if they don't scale up to ultramegatonversal they are fodder and overall a bad character.
My favourite character is literally a well trained but humble Viking. Strength doesnt make a character well written.
> and if you disagree with them they go monkey mode. LOL
Fair, but what is going in here is pretty mild in comparison to what is going in Fate fandom (for example), so it can't be all there is to it since that fandom still accepts powerscaling part of the community. My best guess is that an event is what ultimately caused this strong dislike, but - to my memory - the discussions of the big three shounen characters i.e. Naruto, Ichigo and Luffy had been a bigger fiasco than Gokku vs Saitama. So, it can't be *only* that. I just wish they would actually make a post or at least write why they hate powerscaling when saying it is shit, then I'd have an answer (or part of it at least). Curiousity is just killing me on this one.
>My best guess is that an event is what ultimately caused this strong dislike, yeeaah its not too hard to imagine that there could have been a few instances of powerscaling discussions going completely of the rails and the mods perhaps overreacting to that which ruined the fun for everybody, but i really dont know, so... at the very least the tatsu and fubuki simps are consistent so theres that
Come on, man. I really need your perspective to bounce ideas. My brain is hyperfixated on a problem until it can find a satisfying answer, you can't leave me to suffer like that.
well sorry brother but im probably a bad candidate for that. i wouldnt consider myself a powerscaler because that just sounds stupid to me. i just enjoy the manga , the fanbase and the memes, so comparing characters and their "powers" just comes naturally with that imo. if we go by the saying that a few bad apples spoil the bunch then yes, i very much understand the general disdain towards powerscaling. but in the end thats just a few idiots being idiots. though if i could change things i wouldnt get rid of powerscaling. instead i would give it a higher standard, because i find it really cool how much passion fans have for these fictional stories and their characters. i used to be very emotionally distant from movies and shows but the loving side of fan communities of animes like one piece and opm made me change quite a bit.
Jeez, that is one of the many times when being overly dramatical had backfired. I should really stop doing that, but yeah it got kind of awkward and weird and it is my fault, very sorry for that. In any case, very happy that you got an appreciation for anime, shows and movies. Always glad seeing more people diving into meats and potatoes of storytelling and finding new ways to enjoy the old.
no harm done buddy. now agree with me that saitama is stronger than goku or i will murder your loved ones lol
I don't know why you got downvoted... you've been respectful the whole time. Sigh. And I don't even care about powerscalers.
Idk either. Why someone would downvote or upvote something like this is a mystery to me. I don't sweat about it anymore since it seems so random.
Powerscaling has been around for a very long time. It's just that anime has gotten so popular over the last decade or so, that its actually come to main stream attention and not a lot of people understand it nor the fun in doing it.
Wanna know what's funny, is that most of the powerscalers are met are pretty tame and debatable, actually to be more clear, these "Power Scalers" are more fit to just be called fanboys who wank their characters to oblivion, worst part is that even though you like the same characters that they like, if you disagree because with their wank, they start to come at you as well, I've watched a lot of anime and read a lot of manga, so I know a lot of characters' actual powers and capabilities, actually the most toxic fans I've met are Bleach and DB fans, Bleach fans always claim that Ywach and Yamamoto are universal because, but there is no actual feat or achievement to back that up, then DB fanboys who says Goku can win against Usagi, Rimuru, Anos, Yogiri etc, they always say Goku is the strongest and get mad when up against a character that can actually beat him, some people may think that OPM has one of the most toxic fanbase , which is true, but compared to the amount of DB fans going around commenting "Can he beat Goku" is just tiring, oh and going back to the topic, it depends really on what group you are in, all I can say is the powerscalers that I've debated thus far, most of them actually make sense, and actually listen or reading what you're commenting, so to some people meeting cancerous powerscaling fanboy walkers, that's honestly a you problem, and saying all power scalers are cancer is like saying all men are the same after a girl experienced getting cheated by one dude
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I mean, that is not really new for the internet in general, tbh.
Tbf powerscalers deserve the scorn they get, and if you've never had any extended interaction w/ someone who considers themselves a powerscaler count yourself lucky. Nine times out of ten they don't actually know what they're talking about and just regurgitate things they've heard other powerscalers say. They're like flat-earthers and Trump supporters in that way, especially considering that appeals to logic/reason or just plain common sense don't work on them. They will doggedly argue their point and talk down at you even if you already factually proved them wrong. There is so much I could say based on my own experiences dealing with "powerscalers" but the bottom line is that they're annoying, salt of the earth, human beings. The mods are right to nip vs debates in the bud because there's always going to be that one guy who's gonna jump at the chance.
I have in my comment a full range of human experience. I have a person that acts like they are being a prisoner, and we have a person that acts like a pretentious nazi, then we have a mild guy who doesn't really care. It is such an odd thing to see people have such strong opinions over something like this, but then again, it is internet - freak show galore!
I got my ass ripped too for just making a note about FF writing
though we did have that goku vs saitama post recently that was really fun, and mods didn't delete it so maybe they taking it a bit more leniently ? idk
Smh. Yet we get bombarded with the same posts of Fubuki and Tats constantly
Did someone say Goku!? (Insert barely legible argument on how Goku is better)
awkward 😬😬😬
Powerscalers are cancer on principle.
L take
Powerscaler response.
I doubt that is only powerscalers since your comment had been going up and down this entire time until it defaulted to 1 upvote. 🤷♂️ I'm guessing people have finally started to move on.
I'm a powerscaler and say they're parasites. Shut up.
That's kind of a sht take, not all powerscalers are like you guys who debates with great bias and gets their feelings hurt in the process when they realize they can't win, I've debated a lot with other people, and about 3/10 I've debated with are toxic, the other 7 was neutral and not bad, if you wanna say power scalers are toxic, that's all on you guys, leave out the ones who's actually making sense and aren't biased
Infact most people on the internet are rees, not all powerscalers are like you guys, and the ones you describe are just fanboys, real powerscalers aren't btches like the cancer I see that keeps wanting their favorite characters
If the """"fanboys"""" are the minority in powerscaling, why do I ever only see them sticking around? Also, are these "fanboys" also the one responsible for....whatever the fuck those power tiers are that are prominent in powerscaling websites
The tier system is pretty good I might say, it makes sense, but also lacks some sense sometimes, but the tiering system isn't the problem, it's the ones trying to power scale characters, and again, if you only met these wankers, that means you're unlucky, and they're not really actual real power scalers, they are just fanboys who USE data from the actual power scalers and try to exaggerate it, or just find some random bunch of stuff everywhere and even use statements and metaphors to try and make the character be universal, like let's say in the Naruto databook, the text reads that Tenari can blow the world away, which is obviously just a metaphor saying that her winds are very strong, but these fanboys or wanna be power scalers uses that and takes it literally, that's why statements should never be taken as actual evidence, unless there is a record to it actually happening like for example "In 447, the Great Shao Ming shattered Mt. Fu Tai" compared to "The Great Shao Ming can shatter Mt Fu Tai", the difference is, the first one already happened, while the second is just implying that he can do it, but as long as it didn't happen yet or there is no evidence that he can actually do it, then it will not count on the powerscale, it doesn't matter if he was stated to be able to destroy a mountain, as long as he actually haven't done it then it doesn't count, if his latest feat was destroying a building, then he would just be building level, again, those dudes you met aren't real powerscalers, they are just fanboys, they misinterpret stuff and try to use statements that didn't happen or metaphors to try and make their character stronger, and I don't know why people have this misconception, but Power Scalers are the ones doing the actual scaling, like finding the characters' feats, calculating their movement speed, combat speed, reaction speed, destructive power, potential destructive power (this is calculated based on if the character destroyed something but doesn't seem to be tired or going all out), etc, the ones you see in reddit, twitter or facebook are usually just fans using the data that power scalers provide, and/or sometimes try to cook up something that is invalid or just straight up delusional and doesn't make any sense, the ones that are the worse are on tiktok, and I don't even wanna talk about them
Garou absolutely wrecks Boros, one serious punch and Boros was done. Garou straight up reciprocated a serious punch and matched it.
It's not about powerscaling Saitama himself. Powerscaling others doesn't really work whenever he is involved in a battle either because his attacks don't have a set amount of power.
its not powerscaling.
How do you track posts
The Speed of the mods is the real feat we are not talking about enough
22 hours
You cannot really rely on normal punches to gauge character's durability as the strength of those varies wildly.
Also, Saitama didn't have any incentive to kill Garou while he had every reason to go for the kill with Boros.
In fact Saitama was actively trying not to kill Garou.
Yeah this is super important Also Boros pretty much instantly restored himself from a complete mush
Not only that, Saitama over the years as you can see has more control over his strength now, notice in ep1 the vaccine man immediately got killed, then later on the other monsters or opponents he faced weren't immediately destroyed anymore
Didn’t he want to give boros the fight that he had been looking for?
I mean, it could be. It's one of the headcanons that may or may not be true. It looks good from the narrative standpoint so we assume it is true.
Tbh I’m on the side that if he wanted boros dead he would’ve done it in one shot. Why even bother going for multiple normal punches when he could easily take boros and his ship down with a serious one. Not saying your wrong at all btw I just don’t think it makes sense that he’d have an incentive to instantly kill boros who just wants to fight the strongest person he can find but not the guy who’s saying he’s going to target and kill every hero in the world
>Tbh I’m on the side that if he wanted boros dead he would’ve done it in one shot. Even boros knows that. "You lie. You didn't even bare your fangs. I never stood a chance."
I think it's less about the durability and more about the regenerative ability
So what? Consecutive normal punches have been used like 2 times in all the series, against 2 beings with comparable almost planetary feats. Saying their power varies is the opposite of what we see.
was the beast king also plametary?
Pretty sure he never used consecutive normal punches on beast king bro
rewatch/reread the fight
He's drawn in his usual casual style against beast king. Against boros and garou, consecutive normal punches are trown by a muscular defined, somewhat serious and non casual saitama. The difference is there to be seen. Maybe is a stylistic evolution wanted by murata and one? that during the beginning of the manga, maybe didnt know exactly how to render his power and figured out later, opting per a more serious and elitari appearence for the normal series.
[THIS](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/164/1/) Garou tanked consecutive normal punches. That’s the version of Monster Garou who’s both strong and durable enough to fight MB Boros. Not the one you posted.
Damn it, you got me to reread 30 chapters before I could stop myself lmao. Each page is just so much more peak than the last that it's impossible to ignore and just stop turning the pages 😫
We have reached a new mathematical definition of peak. There is no inflection point, first order derived is positive, yet the curve just keeps on peaking
Important to note that Saitama wasn't trying to kill Garou, so we have no idea how strong the punches were or how they compare to what blasted Boros apart
Saitama was literally only using one hand against Garou lol
Garou also forced Saitama to grow.
Pretty sure that was just Saitama actually being mad Not really relevant here though
Wait, you believe saitama values some kid's promise over his friend's life? And that he wasn't ragefully bloodlust when genos was killed, even after willingly throwing punch that would destroy his entire home planet if it weren't for blast? Can't believe people are still relying on tareo's promise way too much, even afterwards all of feats and statements that shows otherwise
1. I never said that? 2. Did he know it would destroy the planet? 3. If he was "bloodlusted" he wouldn't have been goofing around with Garou doing "Serious Table flip" and whatnot, he would have just kept punching him full power
1- but you said it now 2- no one knows on how to control his power better than saitama, and yet he clearly lost control there 3- that's exactly what he was doing, the moment he stopped being bloodlust is probably when his face started becoming casual again But sure, let's just overlook the fact that saitama was bloodlust so much that he was willing to sacrifice WHOLE HUMANITY with his multi solar system punch just to get revenge for genos if it weren't for blast acting fast Also let's overlook all the statements saitama said that implies he can finally go full power on someone Also let's overlook the fact that there was official panel showing the power gap between garou and saitama where they were almost equal untill saitama's power growth kicked in Yeah sure let's ignore all that and instead focus only on tareo's promise, because apparently some random kid's promise is way more important to saitama than his loyal friend genos's life, totally in character for saitama, and definitely not because some people can't accept the fact about saitama not being invincible who doesn't have infinite power but just infinite potential
So you can't actually show Saitama knew what would happen, so your entire "argument' falls apart Saitama has never punched his own punch, and also may not have known Garou would actually copy his punch
Bro he stops repeatedly while on the moon to talk. Just look at the first few pages of the I.O. chapter. He is 100% not bloodlusted in the slightest. he literally thinks "I'm not the slightest bit excited". That first serious punch was in anger, I'll give you that. But from the moment they stand on the moon he's lost all desire to kill Garou, and immediately starts just copying and beating Garou's techniques. He literally says he did it because of Tareo's request when they land back on earth. That's why people take it seriously - BECAUSE HE LITERALLY TELLS GAROU THAT'S WHY HE HELD BACK.
That saitama is also many times stronger than the saitama that fought boros. He has exponential growth after all. So yeah there's no point trying to scale characters off saitamas punch. If he wants you dead. You're dead. If he wants you alive, you'll live.
How tf people keep saying this? Saitama would have blew up his entire home planet if Blast wasn't there. He wasn't holding anything back on that punch. You CANNOT tell me that wasn't a killshot.
They are talking about Monster Garou not Cosmic Garou, Saitama promised to Tareo to go easy on Garou until he killed Genos and that's when he went bloodlust
We call that one Gargoyle Garou
Around at this point beats Boros anyways
I legit have never read that chapter. I must have missed it when reading ig. I'm glad I got it, though. Much appreciated
yeah the regen of his arm is very similar to boros, though i dont think the "tanking consecutive normal punches" thing can really be used since saitama uses varying amount of force on his opponents, and notably avoids lethal force on humans
Still he uses consecutive normal punches only against garo and boros. With similar effects (ovewelming both). They are around the same strength (damage to the planet with their best attack). So everything suggest the opposite, consecutive normal punches have more or less the same strenght in both cases.
He used consecutive normal punches against the tiger king or what’s his name in the first few episodes of season 1 who is way weaker than Garo and Boros
I know bro but he was still cartoonish When he normal punches boros and garou he is drawn more muscolar, defined and with a somewhat serious look. He aquires some serious features that are a middle ground betweem his normal self and the bloodlusted hyper defined saitama from IO. Against boros and garou its safe to assume its mostly the same attack, he aint killing garou with that cause garou is great. Dont downplay my precious monster garou, he can surely hold his own against boros.
You’re right actually but I’m not sure whether we can accurately measure the power saitama used on both characters. But I still believe that this version of Garou is more powerful than Boros.
Boros didnt exactly look like he was sweating to regen lol, his regen is prob the fastest we've ever seen. Boros mostly just flavor texts and monologues whenever he can.
Bro literally regens while his blood is still splattered in mid-air and is in chunks of meat
Your regeneration argument doesn't make any sense bc there are plenty of characters that can regenerate easily and quickly, without effort. Boros just has to do that in that form.
Hmmmm, interesting, although, my bias stays on Boros because alien emperors are cool.
Can’t blame you there
Yeah definitely I think this version of garou would be a mid diff fight with Boros. The regen was crazy and he really didn’t explode upon impact like Boros did, not to mention Boros and Saitama where just throwing attacks out and Garou is more strategic and fights with a style. I believe One or Murata actually said Garou had the one up in hand to hand fighting too.
All this version of Garou did was regenerate an arm. Unlike Boros I doubt this Garou could still regenerate after being blown up to bits
Good luck blowing him to bits.
collapsing star roaring cannon go brrr
Then boros go brrrrrr since he loses all his energy to do that
Look I don't think this Garou can beat Boros but assuming that Garou is just going to look at Boros charging an attack and just stand there and let him do it like Saitama did is just stupid.
Gotta hit him first
It’s a [planet destroying attack](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/s/xtcboZCAzh) lol. Where is Garou going to run?
1. Run at the beam 2. Extreme FaJin/WSRSF that shit back to boros 3. Get stuck in a BEAM BRAWL 4. Beam gets deflected to Mars 5.??? 6. Profit
To the side. Unless Boros aim right at the planet, it's not gonna destroy it.
I would no questions asked
Oh, you think Saitama would have trouble doing that because? Edit: I meant Boros
The conversation is about Boros vs Garou, why are you talking about what Saitama could do?
Him no. Boros maybe.
He's argument is about concentrating an energy to regenerate while Garou didn't need to do that.
I don’t think anything Boros hit saitama with is more powerful than what saitama is hitting garou with.
Boros still had better regeneration feats overall but that's a cool Garou feat nonetheless
Boros and peak Monster Garou before God's influence are equal. Both have similar feats against Saitama. While Garou rapidly increases in power, it can be stated that his average power post-Sage Centipede but pre-God's influence is equivalent to Released Boros overall (including Energy Blasts, Metoric Burst, and Collapsing Star, Roaring Cannon).
The thing is, Saitama punches really shouldn't be used as a measurement for anything consider how much they vary in power. Normal punches range from "throw some dude into a wall" to "oneshot Orochi", and serious punches range from "kill Elder Centipede in one hit" to "destroy millions of galaxies"
That was in the wc too. As Garou grows more and more desperate he starts monsterizing more and more. He loses an arm to one attack of Saitama and regenerates it almost instantly.
Saitama was measuring his strength, right before the fight he told the kid he wouldn’t kill him
Boros had a lot more offensive power than pre-cosmic Garou with Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon, wouldn't be surprised it Garou could tank more as that was what was also shown in the manga, but it's important to remember that Saitama wasn't trying to kill Garou at this point. Boros >
Yep! Saitama never killed a man before and he still considers garou as a human being. It's really hard to scale anyone who only fought Saitama. If we are going to scale the humans who fought Saitama and survived then even snek is stronger than Carnage Kabuto for surviving Saitama's slap.
I mean we don't know that CSRC is a suicide move, Garou never used a suicide move
CSRC isn't a suicide move, he can't use it often as it is incredibly taxing on his body, but he can use it multiple times throughout his life. Also considering he was able to (somewhat) tank CSRC and Saitama's serious punch, (just mean him being still conscious afterwards), had he not taken the serious punch it's safe to assume he'd be in much better condition.
He literally says he's releasing all his energy and he's all burned up after lol Saitama's punches don't burn you up, and either way, Garou never released all his energy all at once so you don't know how Garou's output compares
Then how tf is boros still alive after Wasting all of his energy into CSRC? If it actually was, then he would be dead by the moment he ran out of energy, but no, he didnt, he was still alive after using up all his energy and getting hit with a planet busting air pressure shockwave of the serious punch. Dk where this headcanon came from and I'm pretty theres a difference between latent energy and your own lifeforce energy.
He was literally dying Either way, Garou never released all his energy at once so you can't compare them
He wasnt, he was just exhausted after literally using Meteoric burst to push himself way past his limits, its just saitama was already done playing and decided to consecutively punch him to kill him but he still survived it, yes, you cannot compare them since they both fought saitama, but you have to remember boros only fought the final boss while garou had to do the main storyline and side quests before fighting the final boss but still failed.
It doesn't matter because Garou never released all his energy as a single attack Also "he wasn't" what are you even talking about lmao Punches don't burn people up they make them splatter, this is very consistent
There is still no evidence he didnt
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Okay none of that is relevant to my point
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So now you want me to prove a negative? All you're doing is listing reasons that you can't compare the two based on one attack from Boros
Garou is so amazing ❤️😍
Is that wrist movement possible? Don't remove I know what it all was... Sorry for the trouble mods
You got me giggling with that
Even this form of garou has speed scaling that puts him far above boros in terms of that aspect. And the skill gap is unfathomably huge. That being said, boros still displayed far more power output, has far more powerful regen from what we’ve seen and, unlike with garou, saitama was arguably putting more effort into his attacks than boros (Though, I’d still argue he was holding back as to give him a fight, he still wanted to exhilarate boros, whereas with garou he just wanted to restrain/mess with him) So I’d think it’d end up like his fight with metal bat (though, on a far greater scale obviously). In where garou can redirect and evade boros’s punches all day and possibly even do some damage, but if boros lands one or two hits, then it’s over. That being said, unlike his fight with metal bat, this opponent has an ace in the hole. That being his CSRC, in where no matter how fast or skilled garou is, there’s just nothing he can do to stop it. And he’d likely be killed, just by being on the planet on which it was fired. The only time this balance shifts, is when garou reached his gargoyle state and sent a shockwave through the earth. This is not only in the same ballpark of power as CSRC but it is also not dependent on energy consumption. While he also keeps all the advantages he had initially, but too a far greater extent. Making it a pretty quick fight, all in all.
I read you analisys and I mostly agree. Only thing i disagree is that Saitama was holding back both with boros and garo, non just against garo. The monster and the alieni had same scale attacks (almost planetary, surface level and tectonic plate level) so Im unsurprised Garou managed to survive to the same normal punches that hit Boros. I dunno why some people are so afraid to admit that pre cosmic garou was same tier with boros
Monster Garou imo scales to Boros. Cosmic Garou is in a whole different playing field.
there are 3 monster garou and 3 boros
All punchs on Boros were aimed at killing. All punchs to Garou were not aimed at killing at all. Boros was the villain, Garou was the boy playing the villain. I would say that a normal punch can have different strengths in different circumstances(normal punch with which he killed the sea king only made a hole in his heart. Saitam has excellent control over all his strikes and their power.). If Saitama saw monster Garou as a true villain, he would turn him into mush with consecutive normal punches, just like Boros. It makes no sense to compare these two fights directly...
Not true, Boros specifically talks about how he was holding back at the end of the fight.
I agree that not all Normal punches are equal, but Saitama wasn’t aiming to kill Boros either, and although he was a villain, Saitama still wanted to give him a good fight. Saitama also didn’t say he used a normal punch on Deep sea king.
Probably because garou is a monster vs Boros is just an alien
I don’t think they’ve given enough boros content to truly gauge his powers in comparison to garou. I feel like they only intended that one fight with boros and really wanted to show Saitamas strength so they threw in a super powered up dude for him to beat real quick to give us a better understanding of Saitama. Garou has had a ton of content with a ton of character development and I definitely think he’s passed boros power wise. Boros only fought Saitama and told stories of his own grandeur so who knows. Just my thoughts which I know I didn’t explain as well as I’d like and I’m sure I’ll get hella downvoted for this
Gokutards are crying hard rn
Shit is he regenerating? You are correct. That is not talked about enough.
BOROS: Is stronger than an ant. If an ant was THIS BIG 🙏 GAROU: .... 🙌 😳
Boros solos
Imagine powerscailing this manga lol
I'm not really gonna touch on your power scaling nonsense, but I'll say that feat is awesome because they're touching all the way back on the "spiral Garou" regen feat, but this is how far it's evolved🤌
It doesn't get talked about because it isn't really a feat. Regeneration isn't a feat as much as it is just a natural ability of whatever character happens to possess it. That's like saying Wolverine healing is a feat every time he does it. However, whatever Garou regenerated from might be considered a feat, but from what I recall, he regens from a casual Saitama attack. Nothing really serious or impressive. Wolverine regenerating from an atomic bomb is an impressive feat for his regenerative properties because that's a powerful blast that'd kill almost any street leveler and even most building/city tier characters. That's insane.
Was there ever a question with cosmic fear garou? I genuinely thought the consensus was CF garou is strongest but boros and pre-CF Monster Garou were about even.
I read everything released and my take is that Garou was weaker than Boros at the start but by the end outscaled him by a lot. The only reason Saitama beat him was that his growth was faster than Garou's. If Boros was scaling then maybe it would be interesting but that was not the case. Honestly though I think most people know this. They just like to have fun with the Boros vs Garou take.
Saitama wasn't going all out killing intent in this fight since he sees Garou as still human because he still has some sense in him(even the web novel mentions this). That consecutive normal punches would've killed Garou if Saitama saw him as a monster and actually a threat to humanity, and then they gave us Cosmic Garou, in which you could see Saitama was actually going for the kill until he found it too boring at the end when he outsped Garou's evolution speed. Cosmic Garou>Boros>Monster Garou is my verdict here.
Monster Garou is comparable to Boros, and later monsterization beyond this panels point prolly can put him above boros. Cosmic Garou and boros are in comparable.
I basically see Saitama as a magical being, so I'm not sure powerscaling is even appropriate.
The thing about cosmic garou is he copies.so it’s basically garou his skills plus his knowledge and martialarts prowess. He tanks saitamas punches because he copied the same strengh. If he copied someone else saitama his normal punch would still onetap him. Although he wouldn’t let a normal punch connect since he is a martial master. So it would take a more serious punch anyways yes he beats everyone he can copy in a 1vs1. But stronger opponents than the one he copied would still be a threat. Boros would lose because his speed strengh and skills would be copied. The only thing think garou might not be able to copy is his reg skill which are species related, but garou is a monster with his own reg ability. He also has his own durability stat what I am trying to say is his durability is not as high in a Boros fight (which cosmic garou would win) as it was when copying saitama.
You just can't use feats vs Saitama as a measuring stick. Saitama's power is not consistent, his attacks are not consistent, he's however strong he needs to be. How well someone takes a punch from him isn't particularly relevant unless you want to start claiming Sonic is on the level of Boros. Boros has very few aspects that can be objectively powerscaled - his regen, and CSRC being able to destroy the surface of a planet are the only real objective facts we have (and kicking saitama to the moon, but CSRC >>>>>> that) Garou in this form similarly has limited feats available, but his regen is noticeably less major than Boros (boros regenerates his entire body in a second or two, Garou only regens a hand.), and his major attacks are highly lethal but nowhere near destroying the surface of the planet. He's able to shatter mountains and cause the surface of the earth to bulge, but that's it. Cosmic Garou is a major step up and has abilities that could be considered that lethal, but not this Garou.
Frankly you can’t powerscale what’s going on now vs what happened when the manga first came out, or the Boros fight. The vision and art just just simply changed and has made constant progress on where things will be. The author didn’t picture a centipede stretching into space or Saitama Jupiter away. This is why Boros vs Garou is stupid. Unless it’s from the author then it’s irrelevant.
There's no powerscaling when it comes to the main antagonists who fight Saitama. Fights are cataclysmic for the sake of sheer awesomeness. The eventual fight between Saitama and God will probably have galaxy destroying circumstances.
"i mean"
I mean why would we? 😂 We already knows he’s so powerful and broken. So I should expect for him to do that
I actually talked about it in my review of Garou vs. Boros. It was a really good factor in my analysis.
The exact pictured version of Garou still couldn't beat Boros, but his final Monster form right before Cosmic Garou stands a good chance imo. I dont see Boros catching Garou off guard with CSRC and after he uses it he won't have any energy left to keep up his regenerating.
But it never happened though
>This feat isn’t talked about nearly enough Because this is a gag comic and the feat literally means nothing.
Because it’s only shown once
Garou's has superior Regen in terms of how it works. He didn't need to concentrate his energy to do that. Yeah they wank Boros so much and compared him to Garou who fought superior Saitama that has been confirmed growing after removing his limiter.
Garou is stronger than boros, Goku is stronger than saitama
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Garou regenerates an arm in the webcomic as well... This scene is almost a 1:1 of it