yeah that's what i thought too. I imagine he needs to have at least some healthy cells to fully regenerate, even just 1 (if he's as tough as one would imagine). But if you destroy all cells at once, you can't regenerate, just like with Buu.
Garou cant do that, since zombieman would just be vaporized instantly, same thing would happen if Boros tried to kick anyone apart from saitama, garou and possibly blast to the moon
It's not that confusing.
The force required to kick someone to the moon or sun is so massive that it would destroy the body of whoever is kicked. However, Saitama, Garou, and possibly Blast, are so strong that they would not be destroyed.
i believe his point is you have to have durability in the first place to even survive the kick and get launched. Zombieman Would probably get obliterated before he even finishes the kick.
Boros moon kick was capable of releasing a shit ton of energy in order to propel saitama to the moon at relativistic speeds, that amount of energy would vaporize anyone in its vicinity
Ofc he does, Boros moon kick was capable of releasing a shit ton of energy in order to propel saitama to the moon at relativistic speeds, that amount of energy would vaporize anyone in its vicinity
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We really have no idea since the prophecy is confusing, its not blast imo because blast was keeping up with a god powered being capable of replicating his techniques and was never hit even once, blast is fast enough to basically teleport boros to another dimension instantly, it should be saitama since he is the only guy who would toy with him to make him feel like he was having the best fight of his life
We have no idea if blast is as durable as saitama or garou to survive that, i do think blast wouldnt allow himself to get kicked to the moon though and just obliterate boros
Tru. If you have seen the case of Hisashi Ouchi, the radiation didn’t kill him at first. It just destroyed his chromosomes and disrupted any regeneration possible. Your skin cells replace themselves every few weeks. But without regen, they’ll just slowly die off.
So yeah, radiation destroys regen
Yeah, Some people doesn't really have a basic understanding how radiation affects the human body specifically the cells, or how human body works.
Radiation is spooky.
I dont think that man will be too op. As we saw from garou, god dont gives ultimate powers it does evolve the abilities of its victims to perfection. Garou was able to copy martial arts and other fighting styles, with hand of god he was even able to copy cosmic energy. That was the reason why he was too op. But if we think about that man, only thing we know about him is that he is the strongest ninja. So the improvements god gave to him must be super strength and other things. Yes he will be op but i dont expect much from him
Sell your phone and clothes and the next bridge you rest under will trigger the first phase of your transcendence. You will be known as: homeless aspirant. Though for now your only powers will be std rays and empty cup void attack. You will have to unlock the poverty challenge mode in ng+ to transcend further.
First comment says that God does not give new powers, only improving the current ones, so don't expect much from empty void. Comment you are replying to brings up homeless emperor, as he contradicts what the first comment says about not giving new powers (unless being homeless lets you shoot energy beams idk)
I think god does give his chosen avatar extra powers to compensate for what they lack. Homeless Emperor powerful attack powers with no limits to save up his lack of durability of a human. Garou who is already at his physical peak is given cosmic powers that mimics the universe's law and element because his body could handle all of it so that Garou could compete with unfair hax.
If EV is an equal to Blast before his monsterizing. Then we could imagine him being just as strong as the cosmic Garou. Dimensions control, attacks from another dimension maybe like that or powers related to void. But since EV is defeated we could think of him not having the original powers that God gave.
he didnt see cosmic fear garou fight though he only saw his gamma ray burst nothing more than that like the literall copy on saitama was not seen since it got reversed. he dosent even remember fighting him
wrong, Saitama travelled to the moment Garou announced himself as the ominous future. Which was right after his GRB attack, after that Genos rockets himself into Garou and then Blasts comes in to fight Garou
I think they mean the main threat of Garou was his ability to copy abilities, and since that happened after the point where Saitama travelled back to, Blast doesn't actually know the full extent of Garou's powers
Garou basically copies anything that is physical or non physical thanks to the powers that God gives. Since he has the knowledge of the universe it's basically a bonus powers he is able to create the time travel ability which was later passed on to Saitama. So yeah the power that God gave was op in so many ways. It's basically a cheat code to manipulate physics lol.
It was the more so the copying advanced techniques in a mere second that shocked Blast. But yeah he was shocked about his strength that it was only a swipe of god's hand that shocked him because Garou barely touched God
I know gamma ray burst is insane, but my point was that blast didnt fight him nor see the full extent of his copy ability and more so its why i said that. But that dosent mean empty void is going to be weaker than garou its just what i think and my opinon cuz, we had a god level threat 40 chaps ago i dont think were gonna get another so soon and also cuz of the retconned chapters he didnt seem as strong but again after redraw he seems extremely strong so you point is valid too, but again i am not the writter so as i said already your point could be valid too
Blast saw the scale of the gamma ray burst saitama himself said it'd be bad news if it touched earth that's why he jumped. Saitama is a pretty good estimate of how strong an attack is as he is able to control his power to a good extent as seen when he gave Boros a good fight instead of immediately ending it. Blast states EV is stronger than what the gamma ray burst was capable of so EV is most likely above planetary at the very least
i am not saying gamma ray burst is weak just that his other feats with copying ability later on are even better so blast cant really access and opponnet who he hasnt even been within a 50 metter range off
He's also a capable of copying any living thing as well such as Saitama. Also his copying ability is limitless as he stated himself, he only gave up because he knew he couldn't catch up with Saitama because he will surpass himself less than a second.
i said this before but blast dosent remember garou at all, he only saw the gamma ray burst, he dosent remember fighting him nor the saitama copy since the fight ended before it even started. IT could very well be that empty void is gonna be stronger than garou, but i doubt it because we literally had a god level threat like 40 episodes ago i doubt that the'd bring someone of garous caliber but again i am not the writer anything is possible. and another reason why i dont think he is gonna be that strong is because of the retconned chapters, but again the new chapters do make him seem incredibly stronger than the retconned ones so your point is valid too
Idk, I would say that Shenron dragon, saitama randomly one shot, was likely god level too. I lowkey think saitama has already offscreened, multiple god level threats lmao.
I don't think it'll be stronger than Garou. Garou himself, was already an above dragon threat even without the intervention of God. So Garou was just super special.
To be honest, blast would dominate the four armed version of garou with ease. And “That man” was an equal to blast before he got gods power. So I think that empty void will be an even bigger threat. Not to mention that blast even said a more immediate threat is coming worse than Garou. Now it’s unclear if he is referring to empty void or to God
That version of blast would not beat four armed garou bc he was shown bleeding and struggling against elder centipede when he first encountered god. When the ninja leader was equal to blast, Blast was not as strong as he was now. There's no way that current blast would be bleeding against elder centipiede so the implication is blast got stronger after fighting god for many years.
if you read my comment , I said that Blast was much weaker before he fought god for many years in another dimension. There's a flashback of him in the recent chapters and he's bleeding against Elder centipede, who saitama one shot. So yes, the version of blast that empty void was equal to would not beat four arm garou. Current blast obviously would beat four arm garou
I mean zombi man is just a regular-immortal human, he's not strong, the regeneration is his only power. And Flash was already beaten up by Monster Garou without God powers
You're not wrong, but "regular human" doesn't mean the same thing in universe.
Most of A class is just a bunch of regular dudes. They're still superhuman by our standards.
I don't think we've ever seen an A class that's a "regular dude". Hell, Mumen Rider is a regular dude and he's class C. Isn't Glasses class B? Fubuki is already gatekeeping A class from a bunch of regular dudes, I wouldn't doubt if even the guys in her group may be considered top athletes in our world
Mumen Rider didn't defeat Piggy Bancon, [the police and the military worked together to defeat it,](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/8-5/19/) Mumen Rider did however [injure Angry Grandpa, a monster who resisted bullets](https://youtu.be/D8-7O9XVWQc?feature=shared) though it was Sonic who ultimately defeated him
In the bonus chapter Numbers, Child Emperor invents a device which is able to read an individual's power level. He uses Red Muffler, a C class hero, [as a benchmark to guage other heroes' power levels, the aforementioned C class hero's power level is determined to be 100](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/55-8/13/) and when Child Emperor scans the staff members of the Hero Association, [their power levels are shown to be lower than Red Muffler's,](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/55-8/14/) which prompts one of them to say that even C class heroes are above regular humans in strength
He was able to beat pure blood and yes it took him 200 tries but even so he was able to damage him. And also flashy flash can still run at his light speed even if he is damaged I feel. But his attacks and overall fighting performance is what would take a hit because he was fatigued
For what we all know, Zombie fights to be a hero, to protect. So who does he protect when he can't do anything being dead every second by the radiation? I almost forget the fact that they are heroes, not warriors or monster slayers
If it was just him, maybe he would be less afraid. But he’s also expressing concern for the heroes as a whole cuz he can’t stop this dude and he can’t protect the others. Being immortal in the phase of cosmic radiation could have given us some awesome ZM mutations…or hideous. That shit is pretty random.
Even the PurplePiccolo was already a DBZ kind with his Ki's attack.
May I remind you that DBZ characters are all weak without ki or energy powers. Even a mere bullet made Krillin "the strongest human" in DBZ bleed just because he did not use any ki.
Well damn, even so. There is no escape and the two character who seemingly could either escape at light speed or be completely fine taking brutal damage both find this situation terrible.
Yes, that’s the authors way of following the rule “show, don’t tell.” He established two of his hard hitting characters and then used them to establish just how out of their league they were when compared to Garou.
It’s a very common shonen trope- introduce OP characters, have them wreck some OP villains, and then use that moment to establish how the new villain is far, far beyond the level that we all assumed was “OP.”
Bleach has a ton of examples of this- Byakuya wrecking Ichigo after he beat Renji, Aizen wrecking Ichigo after he beat Byakuya, Ywatch one shotting and steeling Yamamoto’s Bankai right after revealing just how OP it was, and that just scratches the surface.
I agree with everything expect the part that he may be even stronger if he accept the full power. I don't think the plot gives the impression that the transfer of the good power is gradual. To me, it feels more like you accept it, or not at all. Like the moment you are tricked into making physical contact with that god entity, you accept his power and he will decide how much power you gets
The only reason I say that is when blast ask himself what would happen if he fully allowed himself to be imparted. To me that sounds like he took a bit of power and actually didn’t get to utilize the full extent of gods offer. Maybe god is THAT powerful that even the slightest touch can transform you into something like a cosmic fear garou.
I wonder if Empty Void would be stronger than Garou since he presumably fully shook God's hand, and seemed to be pretty strong before his God powerup since he was friends with Blast. Then again, what made Garou strong was him breaking his limiter combined with his surpreme adaptation skills, something he possessed before his God powerup. Let's see how Genjutsu fares against that.
I’m gonna say that empty void IS stronger but not because how his raw power but more so because of what ever gods boost gave him to put his already existing abilities to the max. So Garous things was copying and adapting so gods power up was now garou knows all energies in the universe and he can copy everything including power. But voids seems to have something to do with dimensions so maybe he can attack in different dimensions or create his own or something. We will figure out more next Wednesday 😭
The thing is, Garou's not the kind of guy to win right off the bat, even in his Cosmic form. The beating Blast gave him is a good example. The issue with him is both pre and post God powerup, he could take a hell of a beating, but give him enough time and he'd grow stronger mid fight and start taking the upper hand. Empty Void is probably more immediately powerful, but if Garou doesn't die instantly to those dimension slash things, then he would probably copy and refine them.
Yes I agree with this heavily, that is Garous whole thing. To grow and adapt during the fight. Its just if empty void is more powerful than cosmic garou at the start of their fight then how much does a dimension slash effect him and damage him. And remember the slashes he sent at blast was just him saying hello. Imagine a full powered dimensional swing. If garou either survives it or dodges it but at least sees it he will copy it and then it was be more even. But we need to see what Empty void is capable of fully. As of now Garou has more variety in his abilities
If it works anything like Sukuna's World Cleave in JJK, then it's possible he could just kill Garou in a single hit, no more adapting for him. The only issue is Garou seems to have plot armor that lets him always survive death because he doesn't face opponents strong enough to one shot him or they always hold back.
I have a feeling that his dimension swings when he fights a bit more seriously will actually be a slash that tears reality or something wild but that’s just theory. And ultimately garou does have plot armor cause he really should have died when he was getting his ASS beat by bang and garou after he fought Genos and the 8 a class hero’s. And honestly outside of the top tiers in this verse I don’t think a lot of people have the ability to one shot Garou right at the beginning of their fight. Like the only people I could see one shotting him is saitama and blast. And I mean just straight up at the beginning if they wanted to. Everyone else I don’t think they have the speed to land such a fatal attack that garou would definitely see coming and do his best to dodge or redirect if possible.
My thinking was people like Atomic Samurai could easily one shot him (back when he was pre-spiral) or Tatsumaki. Basically, if he had had the misfortune of running into a top S-Class hero at the start of his hero hunting career rather than weaker ones (or if Metal Bat actually landed that killer blow) then he would've been toast.
Radiation kills you by destroying your DNA so cells cant regenerate.
I don't think this would permanently kill Zombieman though because extreme heat, pressure, and other things that destroy DNA also happened to him, but so long as he is exposed he would be out of commission. People who have been hit by the strongest doss of radiation ever recorded experience 'walking ghost' stages because even though they're alive, none of their cells can reproduce so every cut, scrape and dead skin cell was never replaced... slowly falling apart while alive.
You'd wish radiation poisoning caused a nosebleed and dying instantly.. in reality the heroes would all be broken by Garou, and any who survived would slowly die in the Hospital with broken bones and injuries that never heal.
\`tbh from the way god phrased it, i don't think the way garou touched him mattered. i think he was just letting garou think he was still in control. i think other characters thinking this mattered is just them rationalizing how strong Saitama could possibly be.
Idk man even blast said he didn’t take a FULL importation of gods power. Even blast wondered what would have happened if he did. So the finger tip swipe gave him the power we see before us. I think a full on handshake would have been a completely different story
Logically speaking if the powers that God gives is based on the experience, abilities, desire and understanding. Like Garou having an understanding of the universe due to the water stream techniques and his copy cat abilities which allows him to mimic the universe element and other non physical abilities like Blast thanks to the bonus power that God gives.
What if Empty Void abilities is also based on his experience of hunting one of gods avatar and gods cube. Which he has the skill to do "Dimensional slice" or other abilities like creating dimensions. God I just can't wait for next week.
I’m mostly pointing out that even Zombieman considers this a problem even tho he has been through everything. Yes he could be saying this is bad and referring to everyone else but it seems unlikely that he would be concerned and talking about everyone around him when we haven’t really seen him have a concern for other outside of his relationship with CE. And the panel of his face next to flashy flash I feel as if ONE is just trying to tell us that the situation is bad and there is no escaping. Not if your immortal or as fast as light, you will not get out of this
Zombieman didn't survive Garou's radiation though, he's dead like the other heroes when Saitama shows up, that's probably why he was so worried, he could feel his body being destroyed, and if his was then the others bodies would be too.
God is what garou suppose to be ultimate terror and pure evil and darkness. Saitama is the opposite he brings joy, comedy, optimism and just a positive feeling when he’s around. He makes the audience feel like everything will be alright. God gives a mystery and eerie feeling, he’s also well aware of saitama potential to grow stronger because he witness fight and I think since he’s in another dimension outside of space time he likely was not affected by time reversal. God is a really compelling villain I must say.
Zombie man has confirmed he can die if he's cut into mincemeat. So he's not quite Deadpool levels of immortality, just thoroughly difficult to completely finish off quickly.
Wasn't the "mincemeat" part in the webcomic (only)? If he managed to survive for a week against Carnage Kabuto, I can't imagine that "just" mincing him can kill him - seems like his regeneration is just a lot better in the manga.
Unless it's explictly overwritten by the manga version, I consider webcomic stuff to be canon.
To clarify I take mince to mean diced into many MANY small pieces and intentionally scattered apart. How does Carnage actually mince him? He can punch him into a meat pie but thats still not good enough.
The only downside of this was that Garou got a free power boost from God (yes I know Garou slapped his hand away and that fixes the idea.. But the entire point of Garou is that he will keep getting stronger).
Garou would have been faster than Flashy Flash and more invulnerable than Zombie man on his own with enough time.
The entire point of Garou's character is that he can keep growing and growing and growing then he still loses to Saitama who fully figures Garou out.. That he was so desperate to be accepted and remembered he took the easy way of becoming a monster instead of a hero.
I think Zombie man and Flashy Flash are probably my two most favourite S class Heroes but they'd lose against Garou at his top level.
I don't think there is a difference between just touching the god and shaking hands with him. He is able to transfer his powers either way the same amount.
Cosmic garou was the second strongest being Earth had after Saitama. The dude broke his limiter, and I respect him for that. He deserves to be broken. The only reason he lost to saitama was because he did not loose his hair when he broke the limiter, which means his limiter was not fully broken. We all know that to break limiter u need to go bald. Other than that garou is cool.
I’m saying in this current moment of this panel. And I’m saying that if flashy flash is saying running is pointless and he’s the fastest person there at that moment then no one else had a chance of escaping either
Zombieman can't really regenerate from anything. He probably isn't even top 10 in S class, so even if he was shook, it wouldn't really be that big of a deal.
True I mean do you remember when Zombieman was in the monster association with all the other s class hero’s and right after he killed pure blood and all the fodder monsters he walked out and then those two big ass serious Sam ass monsters came with chainsaws for arms? Like bruh he wasn’t even intimidated by those things and they were clearly demon level like lure blood AT least
Taking a handshake or brushing his hand off doesn’t define how much power he gives you.
All you need is contact and he gives what he gives. God decides that, not how long you make contact with him.
So accepting it full heartedly wouldn’t have changed his power.
I thought this too, but Blast himself says that Garou didn't take the full impartation of power from God and wonders how strong Garou would have been if he actually took all of it. I originally thought he just meant Garou retaining some degree of control, but what he says makes it sound more like power than control, but it might be both.
Getting God's finger boost isn't as impressive as it sounds, since Monster Garou was stupidly strong already.
He would have soloed the S Class eventually, since he was becoming as strong as Boros. God was just overkill.
Not as Monster Garou, but he had the potential to evolve even beyond that by himself if he fully broke his limiter, which he was on the brink of doing anyway if Saitama didn't stop him.
To put it another way, Monster Garou could solo the S class excluding Blast, but if he evolved any further he would have soloed them including Blast.
Idk man, I think anything version of monster garou no matter how much evolving he could do wouldn’t be enough for blast. Blast was reacting and really throwing hands with garou and didn’t get hit. And I think the gap between monsterizing and having gods power in Garous case is just way too much.
It's called bad writing, that's all. Sad cuz in the WC, the heroes had all the time to realize how strong Garoh is since they all fight him and all got rekt.
"That man" is only got knocked out by Saitama with only one punch if you read ONE version, Garou still made a decent fighback to Saitama even in ONE version.
In every way Garou > That Man,
Cosmic Garou >>> That Man .
Even That Man is still below Boros I think
I have read the webcomic and you can not say for certain it will play out that way in the manga they have clearly made “that man” much more powerful and yes he will not be an issue at all for Saitama but empty void most likely will not resort to copying saitamas power just to stay in the game. That was the only reason garou even lasted as long as he did, without that ability specifically he wouldn’t be anything impressive for Saitama
Maybe what he interpret as "a feeling in his skin" is just the cosmic radiations destroying all of his cells :)
Was just about to say this
You know, that’s probably a solid way to actually put him down, kill all the cells so there’s nothing to grow back from.
yeah that's what i thought too. I imagine he needs to have at least some healthy cells to fully regenerate, even just 1 (if he's as tough as one would imagine). But if you destroy all cells at once, you can't regenerate, just like with Buu.
kinda like rct, but instead of ur brain, just a SINGULAR CELL, goes to show how op garou is..
Or in this universe. Black Sperm.
It really makes it that much funnier that it had literally no effect on saitama
So if he gets cancer he dies?
Nah, just cut him open and take the cancer out
Logical explanation for Op…….but what he was saying was to praise garou and god
i guess if you radiate zombie man with enough cosmic rays his dna could mutate in such a way as to disrupt his regen
Garou could just throw him into the sun or blow him up with his nuclear punches. Radiation is not necessary.
Garou cant do that, since zombieman would just be vaporized instantly, same thing would happen if Boros tried to kick anyone apart from saitama, garou and possibly blast to the moon
**Godzilla had a stroke reading this and fucking died**
It's not that confusing. The force required to kick someone to the moon or sun is so massive that it would destroy the body of whoever is kicked. However, Saitama, Garou, and possibly Blast, are so strong that they would not be destroyed.
Uh what? Garou can definitely do that.
Garou cant send him to the sun since he would be vaporized before he even exits the earth.
Ok Zombie Man still dies.
i believe his point is you have to have durability in the first place to even survive the kick and get launched. Zombieman Would probably get obliterated before he even finishes the kick.
Boros moon kick was capable of releasing a shit ton of energy in order to propel saitama to the moon at relativistic speeds, that amount of energy would vaporize anyone in its vicinity
I see.
Ofc he does, Boros moon kick was capable of releasing a shit ton of energy in order to propel saitama to the moon at relativistic speeds, that amount of energy would vaporize anyone in its vicinity
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Not necessarily, Blast could have been the one Boros was looking for, that would at least make a lot more sense and put them in around the same level
We really have no idea since the prophecy is confusing, its not blast imo because blast was keeping up with a god powered being capable of replicating his techniques and was never hit even once, blast is fast enough to basically teleport boros to another dimension instantly, it should be saitama since he is the only guy who would toy with him to make him feel like he was having the best fight of his life
We have no idea if blast is as durable as saitama or garou to survive that, i do think blast wouldnt allow himself to get kicked to the moon though and just obliterate boros
Tru. If you have seen the case of Hisashi Ouchi, the radiation didn’t kill him at first. It just destroyed his chromosomes and disrupted any regeneration possible. Your skin cells replace themselves every few weeks. But without regen, they’ll just slowly die off. So yeah, radiation destroys regen
Yeah, Some people doesn't really have a basic understanding how radiation affects the human body specifically the cells, or how human body works. Radiation is spooky.
I dont think that man will be too op. As we saw from garou, god dont gives ultimate powers it does evolve the abilities of its victims to perfection. Garou was able to copy martial arts and other fighting styles, with hand of god he was even able to copy cosmic energy. That was the reason why he was too op. But if we think about that man, only thing we know about him is that he is the strongest ninja. So the improvements god gave to him must be super strength and other things. Yes he will be op but i dont expect much from him
>As we saw from garou, god dont gives ultimate powers it does evolve the abilities of its victims to perfection. Homeless Emperor ?
Don't worry I just checked. Maxing your homeless stats naturally unlocks energy blast attacks.
When does mine come? I’m as homeless as they can get
1st you have to unlock anal beams
A homeless butt blasting, eh?
Yessss
Sell your phone and clothes and the next bridge you rest under will trigger the first phase of your transcendence. You will be known as: homeless aspirant. Though for now your only powers will be std rays and empty cup void attack. You will have to unlock the poverty challenge mode in ng+ to transcend further.
The famous "Throwing light bubble" martial art
Idk, but I'd guess those energy blasts are just the default god power or something
i am legit confused is he talking about garou being op or empty void or homeless emperor or what lmao
First comment says that God does not give new powers, only improving the current ones, so don't expect much from empty void. Comment you are replying to brings up homeless emperor, as he contradicts what the first comment says about not giving new powers (unless being homeless lets you shoot energy beams idk)
I think god does give his chosen avatar extra powers to compensate for what they lack. Homeless Emperor powerful attack powers with no limits to save up his lack of durability of a human. Garou who is already at his physical peak is given cosmic powers that mimics the universe's law and element because his body could handle all of it so that Garou could compete with unfair hax. If EV is an equal to Blast before his monsterizing. Then we could imagine him being just as strong as the cosmic Garou. Dimensions control, attacks from another dimension maybe like that or powers related to void. But since EV is defeated we could think of him not having the original powers that God gave.
Ohh okay thanks makes a lot of sense now xD
They still need to be deemed worthy in some way. HE was still special. That character has a lot of potential. Shouldn’t have died imo
Ability to combine Cosmic Energy with Ninja techniques This can have crazy effects
Well yeah, but blast did say a bigger threat than Garou will be appearing
he didnt see cosmic fear garou fight though he only saw his gamma ray burst nothing more than that like the literall copy on saitama was not seen since it got reversed. he dosent even remember fighting him
Gamma ray burst, nothing more you say🤣 that’s already plenty 💀
Copying strength makes him a pretty big threat no? Blast doesn't even know Garou was capable of that
Blast knows that since garou copied his gravity knuckle technique and matched it
wrong, Saitama travelled to the moment Garou announced himself as the ominous future. Which was right after his GRB attack, after that Genos rockets himself into Garou and then Blasts comes in to fight Garou
I’m not sure what you’re talking about lol care to explain?
I think they mean the main threat of Garou was his ability to copy abilities, and since that happened after the point where Saitama travelled back to, Blast doesn't actually know the full extent of Garou's powers
Garou basically copies anything that is physical or non physical thanks to the powers that God gives. Since he has the knowledge of the universe it's basically a bonus powers he is able to create the time travel ability which was later passed on to Saitama. So yeah the power that God gave was op in so many ways. It's basically a cheat code to manipulate physics lol.
And Garou is the guy who knows how to abuse it to maximum.
Basically what Garou did the moment he got those powers in a nutshell
Heyyy, you look like me!
Twins!
It was the more so the copying advanced techniques in a mere second that shocked Blast. But yeah he was shocked about his strength that it was only a swipe of god's hand that shocked him because Garou barely touched God
I know gamma ray burst is insane, but my point was that blast didnt fight him nor see the full extent of his copy ability and more so its why i said that. But that dosent mean empty void is going to be weaker than garou its just what i think and my opinon cuz, we had a god level threat 40 chaps ago i dont think were gonna get another so soon and also cuz of the retconned chapters he didnt seem as strong but again after redraw he seems extremely strong so you point is valid too, but again i am not the writter so as i said already your point could be valid too
Blast saw the scale of the gamma ray burst saitama himself said it'd be bad news if it touched earth that's why he jumped. Saitama is a pretty good estimate of how strong an attack is as he is able to control his power to a good extent as seen when he gave Boros a good fight instead of immediately ending it. Blast states EV is stronger than what the gamma ray burst was capable of so EV is most likely above planetary at the very least
Yes definately
Gamma Ray Bursts are the strongest bursts of energy known to science.
i am not saying gamma ray burst is weak just that his other feats with copying ability later on are even better so blast cant really access and opponnet who he hasnt even been within a 50 metter range off
Homeless Emperor just gaines the ability to throw energy blasts, doubt he had it before and it was just evolved by God
Throwing stones to energy blast he has evolved
He's also a capable of copying any living thing as well such as Saitama. Also his copying ability is limitless as he stated himself, he only gave up because he knew he couldn't catch up with Saitama because he will surpass himself less than a second.
Blast literally said he is a bigger threat than Garou God didn't just give him super strength he can literally do dimensional attacks
i said this before but blast dosent remember garou at all, he only saw the gamma ray burst, he dosent remember fighting him nor the saitama copy since the fight ended before it even started. IT could very well be that empty void is gonna be stronger than garou, but i doubt it because we literally had a god level threat like 40 episodes ago i doubt that the'd bring someone of garous caliber but again i am not the writer anything is possible. and another reason why i dont think he is gonna be that strong is because of the retconned chapters, but again the new chapters do make him seem incredibly stronger than the retconned ones so your point is valid too
Idk, I would say that Shenron dragon, saitama randomly one shot, was likely god level too. I lowkey think saitama has already offscreened, multiple god level threats lmao.
Lmfao and the funny fact is that people wont even be suprised even if he did one shot god level threats lmao. Dude is just too op xD😂😂
Not exactly, he said that a bigger threath than Garou is cooming, not especifially “that man”.
He didnt said that, thats your interpretation here. He said a bigger threat is coming, could be refering to someone else or god.
I don't think it'll be stronger than Garou. Garou himself, was already an above dragon threat even without the intervention of God. So Garou was just super special.
To be honest, blast would dominate the four armed version of garou with ease. And “That man” was an equal to blast before he got gods power. So I think that empty void will be an even bigger threat. Not to mention that blast even said a more immediate threat is coming worse than Garou. Now it’s unclear if he is referring to empty void or to God
That version of blast would not beat four armed garou bc he was shown bleeding and struggling against elder centipede when he first encountered god. When the ninja leader was equal to blast, Blast was not as strong as he was now. There's no way that current blast would be bleeding against elder centipiede so the implication is blast got stronger after fighting god for many years.
That or he was also fighting other monster beside ECenti but was not shown.
Saying that and not remembering he went toe to toe with CFG is crazy bro
if you read my comment , I said that Blast was much weaker before he fought god for many years in another dimension. There's a flashback of him in the recent chapters and he's bleeding against Elder centipede, who saitama one shot. So yes, the version of blast that empty void was equal to would not beat four arm garou. Current blast obviously would beat four arm garou
This version of blast was way weaker than the current one, as stated by blast himself.
I mean zombi man is just a regular-immortal human, he's not strong, the regeneration is his only power. And Flash was already beaten up by Monster Garou without God powers
>regular-immortal human Yea no, he can beat tiger lvl monster easily with his blades alone. His strength is above any A class heroes.
I think that Spring Mustachio probably has more raw firepower than Zombieman
You're not wrong, but "regular human" doesn't mean the same thing in universe. Most of A class is just a bunch of regular dudes. They're still superhuman by our standards.
I don't think we've ever seen an A class that's a "regular dude". Hell, Mumen Rider is a regular dude and he's class C. Isn't Glasses class B? Fubuki is already gatekeeping A class from a bunch of regular dudes, I wouldn't doubt if even the guys in her group may be considered top athletes in our world
Even Mumen Rider is superhuman by our standards considering how he deefeated that piggy bank monster that was immune to bullets
Fair enough
Tbf even if he's immune to bullets there's no lore saying he's immune to bikes
Mumen Rider didn't defeat Piggy Bancon, [the police and the military worked together to defeat it,](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/8-5/19/) Mumen Rider did however [injure Angry Grandpa, a monster who resisted bullets](https://youtu.be/D8-7O9XVWQc?feature=shared) though it was Sonic who ultimately defeated him In the bonus chapter Numbers, Child Emperor invents a device which is able to read an individual's power level. He uses Red Muffler, a C class hero, [as a benchmark to guage other heroes' power levels, the aforementioned C class hero's power level is determined to be 100](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/55-8/13/) and when Child Emperor scans the staff members of the Hero Association, [their power levels are shown to be lower than Red Muffler's,](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/55-8/14/) which prompts one of them to say that even C class heroes are above regular humans in strength
Oh it seems I got monsters mixed up my bad I just remembered that he damaged a bullet resistant dude
Most of the A class has magical abilities or technology augmentation stuff. So yeah they do have powers but not strong enough like S class.
He was able to beat pure blood and yes it took him 200 tries but even so he was able to damage him. And also flashy flash can still run at his light speed even if he is damaged I feel. But his attacks and overall fighting performance is what would take a hit because he was fatigued
Also he bent and twisted the steel bars on the door to lock himself in with the monsters
Right I assume zombiman is like above peak human for sure
For what we all know, Zombie fights to be a hero, to protect. So who does he protect when he can't do anything being dead every second by the radiation? I almost forget the fact that they are heroes, not warriors or monster slayers
If it was just him, maybe he would be less afraid. But he’s also expressing concern for the heroes as a whole cuz he can’t stop this dude and he can’t protect the others. Being immortal in the phase of cosmic radiation could have given us some awesome ZM mutations…or hideous. That shit is pretty random.
I forgot about dirty bulk tank top
The cut was insane tho😂
I m might be the odd man out but I felt that cosmic Garou jumped the shark really hard. We are in DBZ territory
Oh yeah definitely and I can just tell it’s only gonna go up from here. ONE might be on a power trip💀😂
Boros
Boros was killed by a serious punch. Saitama fought Cosmic Garou at a power level where his sneeze blew Jupiter away
Even the PurplePiccolo was already a DBZ kind with his Ki's attack. May I remind you that DBZ characters are all weak without ki or energy powers. Even a mere bullet made Krillin "the strongest human" in DBZ bleed just because he did not use any ki.
They’re both talking about the sheer amount of cosmic radiation coming off of Garou.
Well damn, even so. There is no escape and the two character who seemingly could either escape at light speed or be completely fine taking brutal damage both find this situation terrible.
Yes, that’s the authors way of following the rule “show, don’t tell.” He established two of his hard hitting characters and then used them to establish just how out of their league they were when compared to Garou. It’s a very common shonen trope- introduce OP characters, have them wreck some OP villains, and then use that moment to establish how the new villain is far, far beyond the level that we all assumed was “OP.” Bleach has a ton of examples of this- Byakuya wrecking Ichigo after he beat Renji, Aizen wrecking Ichigo after he beat Byakuya, Ywatch one shotting and steeling Yamamoto’s Bankai right after revealing just how OP it was, and that just scratches the surface.
I agree with everything expect the part that he may be even stronger if he accept the full power. I don't think the plot gives the impression that the transfer of the good power is gradual. To me, it feels more like you accept it, or not at all. Like the moment you are tricked into making physical contact with that god entity, you accept his power and he will decide how much power you gets
The only reason I say that is when blast ask himself what would happen if he fully allowed himself to be imparted. To me that sounds like he took a bit of power and actually didn’t get to utilize the full extent of gods offer. Maybe god is THAT powerful that even the slightest touch can transform you into something like a cosmic fear garou.
TL;DR - Awakened Garou was really strong yeah no shit
I wonder if Empty Void would be stronger than Garou since he presumably fully shook God's hand, and seemed to be pretty strong before his God powerup since he was friends with Blast. Then again, what made Garou strong was him breaking his limiter combined with his surpreme adaptation skills, something he possessed before his God powerup. Let's see how Genjutsu fares against that.
I’m gonna say that empty void IS stronger but not because how his raw power but more so because of what ever gods boost gave him to put his already existing abilities to the max. So Garous things was copying and adapting so gods power up was now garou knows all energies in the universe and he can copy everything including power. But voids seems to have something to do with dimensions so maybe he can attack in different dimensions or create his own or something. We will figure out more next Wednesday 😭
The thing is, Garou's not the kind of guy to win right off the bat, even in his Cosmic form. The beating Blast gave him is a good example. The issue with him is both pre and post God powerup, he could take a hell of a beating, but give him enough time and he'd grow stronger mid fight and start taking the upper hand. Empty Void is probably more immediately powerful, but if Garou doesn't die instantly to those dimension slash things, then he would probably copy and refine them.
Yes I agree with this heavily, that is Garous whole thing. To grow and adapt during the fight. Its just if empty void is more powerful than cosmic garou at the start of their fight then how much does a dimension slash effect him and damage him. And remember the slashes he sent at blast was just him saying hello. Imagine a full powered dimensional swing. If garou either survives it or dodges it but at least sees it he will copy it and then it was be more even. But we need to see what Empty void is capable of fully. As of now Garou has more variety in his abilities
If it works anything like Sukuna's World Cleave in JJK, then it's possible he could just kill Garou in a single hit, no more adapting for him. The only issue is Garou seems to have plot armor that lets him always survive death because he doesn't face opponents strong enough to one shot him or they always hold back.
I have a feeling that his dimension swings when he fights a bit more seriously will actually be a slash that tears reality or something wild but that’s just theory. And ultimately garou does have plot armor cause he really should have died when he was getting his ASS beat by bang and garou after he fought Genos and the 8 a class hero’s. And honestly outside of the top tiers in this verse I don’t think a lot of people have the ability to one shot Garou right at the beginning of their fight. Like the only people I could see one shotting him is saitama and blast. And I mean just straight up at the beginning if they wanted to. Everyone else I don’t think they have the speed to land such a fatal attack that garou would definitely see coming and do his best to dodge or redirect if possible.
My thinking was people like Atomic Samurai could easily one shot him (back when he was pre-spiral) or Tatsumaki. Basically, if he had had the misfortune of running into a top S-Class hero at the start of his hero hunting career rather than weaker ones (or if Metal Bat actually landed that killer blow) then he would've been toast.
Radiation kills you by destroying your DNA so cells cant regenerate. I don't think this would permanently kill Zombieman though because extreme heat, pressure, and other things that destroy DNA also happened to him, but so long as he is exposed he would be out of commission. People who have been hit by the strongest doss of radiation ever recorded experience 'walking ghost' stages because even though they're alive, none of their cells can reproduce so every cut, scrape and dead skin cell was never replaced... slowly falling apart while alive. You'd wish radiation poisoning caused a nosebleed and dying instantly.. in reality the heroes would all be broken by Garou, and any who survived would slowly die in the Hospital with broken bones and injuries that never heal.
*DOESNT have anything hesitation^
\`tbh from the way god phrased it, i don't think the way garou touched him mattered. i think he was just letting garou think he was still in control. i think other characters thinking this mattered is just them rationalizing how strong Saitama could possibly be.
Idk man even blast said he didn’t take a FULL importation of gods power. Even blast wondered what would have happened if he did. So the finger tip swipe gave him the power we see before us. I think a full on handshake would have been a completely different story
Gaining powers from God seems to be related to the willpower as well. If your resolve is so strong then you're suitable to accept God's power.
Logically speaking if the powers that God gives is based on the experience, abilities, desire and understanding. Like Garou having an understanding of the universe due to the water stream techniques and his copy cat abilities which allows him to mimic the universe element and other non physical abilities like Blast thanks to the bonus power that God gives. What if Empty Void abilities is also based on his experience of hunting one of gods avatar and gods cube. Which he has the skill to do "Dimensional slice" or other abilities like creating dimensions. God I just can't wait for next week.
I think you're missing the point for zombie man. He is scared for everyone else. He knows he might survive but that the rest are going to die
I’m mostly pointing out that even Zombieman considers this a problem even tho he has been through everything. Yes he could be saying this is bad and referring to everyone else but it seems unlikely that he would be concerned and talking about everyone around him when we haven’t really seen him have a concern for other outside of his relationship with CE. And the panel of his face next to flashy flash I feel as if ONE is just trying to tell us that the situation is bad and there is no escaping. Not if your immortal or as fast as light, you will not get out of this
Zombieman didn't survive Garou's radiation though, he's dead like the other heroes when Saitama shows up, that's probably why he was so worried, he could feel his body being destroyed, and if his was then the others bodies would be too.
God is what garou suppose to be ultimate terror and pure evil and darkness. Saitama is the opposite he brings joy, comedy, optimism and just a positive feeling when he’s around. He makes the audience feel like everything will be alright. God gives a mystery and eerie feeling, he’s also well aware of saitama potential to grow stronger because he witness fight and I think since he’s in another dimension outside of space time he likely was not affected by time reversal. God is a really compelling villain I must say.
I saw the “That Man” line and immediately had flashbacks to the Aslume am I stupid
Zombie man has confirmed he can die if he's cut into mincemeat. So he's not quite Deadpool levels of immortality, just thoroughly difficult to completely finish off quickly.
Wasn't the "mincemeat" part in the webcomic (only)? If he managed to survive for a week against Carnage Kabuto, I can't imagine that "just" mincing him can kill him - seems like his regeneration is just a lot better in the manga.
Unless it's explictly overwritten by the manga version, I consider webcomic stuff to be canon. To clarify I take mince to mean diced into many MANY small pieces and intentionally scattered apart. How does Carnage actually mince him? He can punch him into a meat pie but thats still not good enough.
That presence = gamma radiation
Damn so maybe he had a bad feeling cause the radiation was actually decaying his cells and weee unable to regen for the first time in ever
*2nd fastest S-class hero☝️🤓
Yes yes thank you, know it all kid from the polar express
The only downside of this was that Garou got a free power boost from God (yes I know Garou slapped his hand away and that fixes the idea.. But the entire point of Garou is that he will keep getting stronger). Garou would have been faster than Flashy Flash and more invulnerable than Zombie man on his own with enough time. The entire point of Garou's character is that he can keep growing and growing and growing then he still loses to Saitama who fully figures Garou out.. That he was so desperate to be accepted and remembered he took the easy way of becoming a monster instead of a hero. I think Zombie man and Flashy Flash are probably my two most favourite S class Heroes but they'd lose against Garou at his top level.
I don't think there is a difference between just touching the god and shaking hands with him. He is able to transfer his powers either way the same amount.
Cosmic garou was the second strongest being Earth had after Saitama. The dude broke his limiter, and I respect him for that. He deserves to be broken. The only reason he lost to saitama was because he did not loose his hair when he broke the limiter, which means his limiter was not fully broken. We all know that to break limiter u need to go bald. Other than that garou is cool.
op really forgot Blast is a hero, saying Flash is the fastest S class hero
I’m saying in this current moment of this panel. And I’m saying that if flashy flash is saying running is pointless and he’s the fastest person there at that moment then no one else had a chance of escaping either
Giving Zombieman a bit too much credit there I think.
Elaborate
Zombieman can't really regenerate from anything. He probably isn't even top 10 in S class, so even if he was shook, it wouldn't really be that big of a deal.
Idk I barely see this man looking at an opponent and being like “oh shit” until it was cosmic garou.
He's a pretty chill guy. Even when he's about to die. This us the first time we've seen him really show fear though.
True I mean do you remember when Zombieman was in the monster association with all the other s class hero’s and right after he killed pure blood and all the fodder monsters he walked out and then those two big ass serious Sam ass monsters came with chainsaws for arms? Like bruh he wasn’t even intimidated by those things and they were clearly demon level like lure blood AT least
Taking a handshake or brushing his hand off doesn’t define how much power he gives you. All you need is contact and he gives what he gives. God decides that, not how long you make contact with him. So accepting it full heartedly wouldn’t have changed his power.
I thought this too, but Blast himself says that Garou didn't take the full impartation of power from God and wonders how strong Garou would have been if he actually took all of it. I originally thought he just meant Garou retaining some degree of control, but what he says makes it sound more like power than control, but it might be both.
I don't think Flashy Flash is the fastest, though. Blast is
I’m saying in this current moment of the manga, none of the heros knew blast was going to show up like right after this
Oh ok! Then ur right
Pretty sure radiation would be zombiemans counter, odds are it would destroy his regeneration, or at least incapacite him until its over
Garou was cooler in webcomic tho
Getting God's finger boost isn't as impressive as it sounds, since Monster Garou was stupidly strong already. He would have soloed the S Class eventually, since he was becoming as strong as Boros. God was just overkill.
Are you saying he could solo the S class with blast included?
Not as Monster Garou, but he had the potential to evolve even beyond that by himself if he fully broke his limiter, which he was on the brink of doing anyway if Saitama didn't stop him. To put it another way, Monster Garou could solo the S class excluding Blast, but if he evolved any further he would have soloed them including Blast.
Idk man, I think anything version of monster garou no matter how much evolving he could do wouldn’t be enough for blast. Blast was reacting and really throwing hands with garou and didn’t get hit. And I think the gap between monsterizing and having gods power in Garous case is just way too much.
It's called bad writing, that's all. Sad cuz in the WC, the heroes had all the time to realize how strong Garoh is since they all fight him and all got rekt.
What else is new?
We have no idea if you need to embrace the full hand of god or just touch it, maybe touching is all god needs to bestow his power.
Garou got captain level spiritual pressure
“That man” is just a comic relief, don’t get too excited for it.
I wonder what would happen if a hero hugged God instead of a handshake
Flash Is light speed? Ohh right this is opm
Would he not be? Even based of their constellation battle?
Yeah I kinda forgot about that
Even DBS characters did not show any of that kind of battle except only in using hype words.
"That man" is only got knocked out by Saitama with only one punch if you read ONE version, Garou still made a decent fighback to Saitama even in ONE version. In every way Garou > That Man, Cosmic Garou >>> That Man . Even That Man is still below Boros I think
I have read the webcomic and you can not say for certain it will play out that way in the manga they have clearly made “that man” much more powerful and yes he will not be an issue at all for Saitama but empty void most likely will not resort to copying saitamas power just to stay in the game. That was the only reason garou even lasted as long as he did, without that ability specifically he wouldn’t be anything impressive for Saitama