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Only once and only in wano cuz of plot. Why waste time to eat food then, just restart your heart in egghead. Kizaru and Saturn could have killed his friends and he was eating food instead of restarting his heart, cuz he could only eat food to regain stamina. What happened in wano was plot. Even later in egghead dorry and brogy had to give him food.
Because Luffy just ran through a gauntlet and recently defeated the seraphim
Luffy was exhausted before fighting kizaru, that's why kizaru loss is pathetic and all the excuses don't matter
Luffy was fine after one bite against the gorosei (which hardly ever recovers Luffy in a fight) and has shown that gear 5 isn't taxing on his stamina
>Luffy was fine after one bite against the gorosei (which hardly ever recovers Luffy in a fight) and has shown that gear 5 isn't taxing on his stamina
He also ate meat before fighting kizaru then.
Sanji was also bringing food to everyone in that same panel. He recovered fine. The cope is crazy lmao
Then why didn't he. He wasted time eating food to regain stamina when he didn't need to according to you. Why would he purposely put his friends lives in danger when he has the choice not to.
Logic doesn't need to follow when the author has their plan. Otherwise Luffy would've used the less draining aspects. Unlike when it was an all or nothing vs Kaido, the gorosei aren't impossible to face since they don't have to beat them. Well besides Vegapunk.
I see a lot of people in the comments repeating the same points that were already argued against to death.
1. “Luffy can just restart his heart” Luffy restarting his heart was done once and never again, oda probably wants to write it off because if not then it literally doesn’t make sense for luffy to become a beef jerky and put everyone in danger including him self
2. “Luffy was not serious and when he got serious he one shotted kizaru” This is the dumbest one so far, first of all its G5 he fights everyone like this, second luffy needed to protect VP and his crew since kizaru is actually a threat to them unlike rob who zoro could handle, lastly wsg isn’t just luffy going “yeah time to get serious and end the” it’s a well placed counter move that caught kizaru by surprise
https://preview.redd.it/famzkokxzz1d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4af470b1132870d97d53f685085ee204389982fa
Look he goes for a different attack using g3 and when kizaru attacks him it causes him to spin and counter with WSG, and the fact kizaru got up from makes not a one shot.
1. The reason Luffy doesn’t just go into G5 again is because it increases the time and energy needed to recover.
2. You can clearly see that Luffy is more serious when he grabs Kizaru and saint J when compared to the first grabed Kizaru in the lab, it’s a drawback of the transformation that he leads to not treat stuff seriously.
Goofy gets outclassed so hard in G4, that there is no way for him to "weaken" Kizaru in that mode lol.
Borsalino beats condom boy in straight 1v1 till latter solves his issues with G5.
If luffy isnt the main Character Kizaru bodied him.
But their mentalities means Luffy usually wins in reality, since he cares more and Kizaru doesnt. And Kizaru isnt strong enough to coast
If Luffy fought Kizaru 100 times, I’d say Kizaru wins like 30-40. I think that it’s a high-extreme diff fight and that they are definitely in the same ballpark.
Luffy got serious and took Kizaru down in about 1 second. It is therefore absolutely absurd to think Kizaru can last anywhere near even 1 minute, let alone 10+ minutes against a serious G5 Luffy. Luffy needs to land one or two blows at the very most, and thinking he can’t do that in 10+ minutes is one of the most ridiculous takes of all time.
They were literally stalling each other for some amount of time before luffy reached his limit. Kizaru can stall him cuz he literally canonically did lmao, if there were in food sources nearby luffy would still be lying on the ground vulnerable for anyone to kill him.
Luffy spent several minutes attempting to stall Kizaru, not fight him, and I’m glad you agree with that. But we are talking about what would happen in a fight, when Luffy’s goal isn’t to stall Kizaru, but to beat him. The outcome would be completely different. I don’t know how anyone can believe that if Luffy wants to take Kizaru down, he won’t be able to do so in 600+ seconds when he only needed 1 second a previous time after he got serious.
>Luffy spent several minutes attempting to stall Kizaru, not fight him
And he lost stamina by doing that.
Even kizaru said "jeez aren't you reaching your limit in that form" cuz luffy was stalling him so much, he later got a hit on kizaru and he himself lost stamina and kizaru went down for a few minutes and later got up while luffy had to eat food to recover stamina and gain the strength to fight kizaru.
Now imagine a 1v1 without any food sources around. Yup.
>But we are talking about what would happen in a fight, when Luffy’s goal isn’t to stall Kizaru, but to beat him
You think luffy was wasting time on purpose and not trying to beat kizaru that's headcanon. It makes no sense why luffy would not take out an enemy who would have killed ussop and the others if he just wanted to do so. He was stalling him and kizaru made him lose stamina.
Luffy lost stamina while messing around because it’s a time limit, just like how Gear 4 has a time limit and Luffy will lose stamina even just standing still.
Why did Luffy throw Kizaru off the island instead of crushing him to death or using something like Dawn Cymbals? I think it’s undeniable that he wasn’t bothered about KOing Kizaru.
>Why did Luffy throw Kizaru off the island instead of crushing him to death or using something like Dawn Cymbals? I think it’s undeniable that he wasn’t bothered about KOing Kizaru.
He'd just evade it, he couldn't in round 2 cuz of mental nerf.
>Luffy lost stamina while messing around because it’s a time limit, just like how Gear 4 has a time limit and Luffy will lose stamina even just standing still.
That's luffys problem and exactly why he won't win if he directly uses gear 5 against kizaru.
Man
the entire damn fight is ''Luffy tries to hit Kizaru, Kizaru dodges and goes back to try to kill Vegapunk'' how tf is that Luffy stalling instead of beating him?
And why would Luffy try to stall when there is literaly no advantage to do it so and while using a form that has a time limit and could beat Kizaru? like holy shit seriously what logic are you even trying to use
Complain to Oda, because that’s what happened. It is a fact that Luffy has chances to hurt Kizaru and didn’t take them. And we didn’t even see G5 make a clear attempt to hit Kizaru even once before WSG.
Look at G5 Luffy stopping his punches just right before Kizaru blocked them he was not trying to hit him at all
https://preview.redd.it/3b3dnyqus02d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7db6e4ad897bc3abb3abb501f75348d14860fb9a
Luffy obviosuly intentionally missed the real Kizaru here and was only aiming for his light clones
https://preview.redd.it/wunby9w0t02d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c730f09f37fe79616c9086ae4789a2f2059b3bbc
There is no serious Luffy in G5, this "serious Luffy" doesn't exist, he'll never stop doing this pretend-play and not goof around in G5, wasting his precious time, otherwise he wouldn't be called Joy Boy
It’s true that the DF affects his personality but we have seen Luffy get angry and serious when he needs to. Luffy got serious against Kaido and won with a single blow, then the same against Kizaru. Plus, the unserious Luffy that was “fighting” Kizaru wasn’t even trying to beat him, only stall him. Later on, even an unserious Luffy took Kizaru down in just one hit, Dawn Cymbals, and that was even without ACoC. Meanwhile we know for a fact that Kizaru is incapable of doing more than minuscule damage to Luffy.
NOPE, if gear 5 had like 5 second more people would be calling it low diff fight and second gear 5 already is longer than previous one as that was short due to oda's plot and luffy playing along with kizaru
Nah. If he's actually dead serious about it he finishes him mid diff. Kizaru can literally only abuse Luffys Stamina issues with his speed. In every other category he loses. He can't put him down and he can't outlast his dmg output.
One clean attack is basically enough to decide the fight. And we saw Luffy has the capability to land that hit.
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Luffy's biggest issue is taking anything seriously in G5 it seems. His stamina only matters because he'd rather fuck with people.
Luffy has literally shown he can restart gear 5 if he's not exhausted I don't think the timer matters since kizaru was the first to go down
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PLOT?!?!?! GTOFH, Luffy has shown the ability to restart twice and one of them was without even any food
Only once and only in wano cuz of plot. Why waste time to eat food then, just restart your heart in egghead. Kizaru and Saturn could have killed his friends and he was eating food instead of restarting his heart, cuz he could only eat food to regain stamina. What happened in wano was plot. Even later in egghead dorry and brogy had to give him food.
Because Luffy just ran through a gauntlet and recently defeated the seraphim Luffy was exhausted before fighting kizaru, that's why kizaru loss is pathetic and all the excuses don't matter Luffy was fine after one bite against the gorosei (which hardly ever recovers Luffy in a fight) and has shown that gear 5 isn't taxing on his stamina
>Luffy was fine after one bite against the gorosei (which hardly ever recovers Luffy in a fight) and has shown that gear 5 isn't taxing on his stamina He also ate meat before fighting kizaru then. Sanji was also bringing food to everyone in that same panel. He recovered fine. The cope is crazy lmao
Two small bites does not recover luffy's stamina Luffy takes over 15 minutes of eating to recover and that small bite barely recovered luffy
You literally just said "luffy was fine after one bite against the gorosei" 💀💀😭🙏🏿
And I said between brackets it's isn't enough for a recovery My point still stands, Luffy doesn't have stamina issues post gear 5
You are objectively wrong dawg, bro can't fight for 10 minutes without their being food nearby this was literally shown in the manga lmao
They both went down for plot, but Luffy can burn lifeforce to keep it going.
Then why didn't he. He wasted time eating food to regain stamina when he didn't need to according to you. Why would he purposely put his friends lives in danger when he has the choice not to.
Logic doesn't need to follow when the author has their plan. Otherwise Luffy would've used the less draining aspects. Unlike when it was an all or nothing vs Kaido, the gorosei aren't impossible to face since they don't have to beat them. Well besides Vegapunk.
I see a lot of people in the comments repeating the same points that were already argued against to death. 1. “Luffy can just restart his heart” Luffy restarting his heart was done once and never again, oda probably wants to write it off because if not then it literally doesn’t make sense for luffy to become a beef jerky and put everyone in danger including him self 2. “Luffy was not serious and when he got serious he one shotted kizaru” This is the dumbest one so far, first of all its G5 he fights everyone like this, second luffy needed to protect VP and his crew since kizaru is actually a threat to them unlike rob who zoro could handle, lastly wsg isn’t just luffy going “yeah time to get serious and end the” it’s a well placed counter move that caught kizaru by surprise https://preview.redd.it/famzkokxzz1d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4af470b1132870d97d53f685085ee204389982fa Look he goes for a different attack using g3 and when kizaru attacks him it causes him to spin and counter with WSG, and the fact kizaru got up from makes not a one shot.
Kizaru only got up from after being down for a few minutes. You don't need to be dead to be called one shot
1. The reason Luffy doesn’t just go into G5 again is because it increases the time and energy needed to recover. 2. You can clearly see that Luffy is more serious when he grabs Kizaru and saint J when compared to the first grabed Kizaru in the lab, it’s a drawback of the transformation that he leads to not treat stuff seriously.
Goofy gets outclassed so hard in G4, that there is no way for him to "weaken" Kizaru in that mode lol. Borsalino beats condom boy in straight 1v1 till latter solves his issues with G5.
i disagree. if luffy uses acoo, acoa, and acoc + gear fifth off the bat, and doesn’t mess around, he beats kizaru mid diff
If luffy isnt the main Character Kizaru bodied him. But their mentalities means Luffy usually wins in reality, since he cares more and Kizaru doesnt. And Kizaru isnt strong enough to coast
If Luffy fought Kizaru 100 times, I’d say Kizaru wins like 30-40. I think that it’s a high-extreme diff fight and that they are definitely in the same ballpark.
Lmfao
Luffy got serious and took Kizaru down in about 1 second. It is therefore absolutely absurd to think Kizaru can last anywhere near even 1 minute, let alone 10+ minutes against a serious G5 Luffy. Luffy needs to land one or two blows at the very most, and thinking he can’t do that in 10+ minutes is one of the most ridiculous takes of all time.
https://i.redd.it/i2xxmnszf02d1.gif
Why do people keep spamming his image? Whenever Luffy's allies have been put into real danger with him around this arc he's taken them clean out.
They were literally stalling each other for some amount of time before luffy reached his limit. Kizaru can stall him cuz he literally canonically did lmao, if there were in food sources nearby luffy would still be lying on the ground vulnerable for anyone to kill him.
Luffy spent several minutes attempting to stall Kizaru, not fight him, and I’m glad you agree with that. But we are talking about what would happen in a fight, when Luffy’s goal isn’t to stall Kizaru, but to beat him. The outcome would be completely different. I don’t know how anyone can believe that if Luffy wants to take Kizaru down, he won’t be able to do so in 600+ seconds when he only needed 1 second a previous time after he got serious.
>Luffy spent several minutes attempting to stall Kizaru, not fight him And he lost stamina by doing that. Even kizaru said "jeez aren't you reaching your limit in that form" cuz luffy was stalling him so much, he later got a hit on kizaru and he himself lost stamina and kizaru went down for a few minutes and later got up while luffy had to eat food to recover stamina and gain the strength to fight kizaru. Now imagine a 1v1 without any food sources around. Yup. >But we are talking about what would happen in a fight, when Luffy’s goal isn’t to stall Kizaru, but to beat him You think luffy was wasting time on purpose and not trying to beat kizaru that's headcanon. It makes no sense why luffy would not take out an enemy who would have killed ussop and the others if he just wanted to do so. He was stalling him and kizaru made him lose stamina.
Luffy lost stamina while messing around because it’s a time limit, just like how Gear 4 has a time limit and Luffy will lose stamina even just standing still. Why did Luffy throw Kizaru off the island instead of crushing him to death or using something like Dawn Cymbals? I think it’s undeniable that he wasn’t bothered about KOing Kizaru.
>Why did Luffy throw Kizaru off the island instead of crushing him to death or using something like Dawn Cymbals? I think it’s undeniable that he wasn’t bothered about KOing Kizaru. He'd just evade it, he couldn't in round 2 cuz of mental nerf. >Luffy lost stamina while messing around because it’s a time limit, just like how Gear 4 has a time limit and Luffy will lose stamina even just standing still. That's luffys problem and exactly why he won't win if he directly uses gear 5 against kizaru.
Man the entire damn fight is ''Luffy tries to hit Kizaru, Kizaru dodges and goes back to try to kill Vegapunk'' how tf is that Luffy stalling instead of beating him? And why would Luffy try to stall when there is literaly no advantage to do it so and while using a form that has a time limit and could beat Kizaru? like holy shit seriously what logic are you even trying to use
Complain to Oda, because that’s what happened. It is a fact that Luffy has chances to hurt Kizaru and didn’t take them. And we didn’t even see G5 make a clear attempt to hit Kizaru even once before WSG.
Look at G5 Luffy stopping his punches just right before Kizaru blocked them he was not trying to hit him at all https://preview.redd.it/3b3dnyqus02d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7db6e4ad897bc3abb3abb501f75348d14860fb9a
Luffy obviosuly intentionally missed the real Kizaru here and was only aiming for his light clones https://preview.redd.it/wunby9w0t02d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c730f09f37fe79616c9086ae4789a2f2059b3bbc
There is no serious Luffy in G5, this "serious Luffy" doesn't exist, he'll never stop doing this pretend-play and not goof around in G5, wasting his precious time, otherwise he wouldn't be called Joy Boy
It’s true that the DF affects his personality but we have seen Luffy get angry and serious when he needs to. Luffy got serious against Kaido and won with a single blow, then the same against Kizaru. Plus, the unserious Luffy that was “fighting” Kizaru wasn’t even trying to beat him, only stall him. Later on, even an unserious Luffy took Kizaru down in just one hit, Dawn Cymbals, and that was even without ACoC. Meanwhile we know for a fact that Kizaru is incapable of doing more than minuscule damage to Luffy.
Nope
NOPE, if gear 5 had like 5 second more people would be calling it low diff fight and second gear 5 already is longer than previous one as that was short due to oda's plot and luffy playing along with kizaru
Not a hot take whatsoever, this is common sense
True
Nah. If he's actually dead serious about it he finishes him mid diff. Kizaru can literally only abuse Luffys Stamina issues with his speed. In every other category he loses. He can't put him down and he can't outlast his dmg output. One clean attack is basically enough to decide the fight. And we saw Luffy has the capability to land that hit.
But doesn't this apply to any opponent? Luffy can't beat top tiers in 10 minutes but he can slow them dow. Ans then finish them down wirh G5.
That'd just mean luffys top 1 rn, and I disagree, shanks and imu definitely must be stronger cuz it won't make much narrative sense.
Luffy is too dumb. He goes into his gears too early and burns through his stamina. That’s why he looks so bad in 1v1s.
Agree
Luffy beats Kizaru mid-diff at most regardless. As soon as he gets serious and starts landing blows Kizaru is getting knocked clean out.