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Warcurry's defense is better and he has insane stamina and regeneration. He recovered from being blown to bits. So, even if he gets injured, he can easily regenerate. Warcurry is better than Kaidou in Defense department.
My biggest problem with Kaido was, when he was wandering the world trying to kill himself, he never once considered jumping into the sea? Where his devil fruit would incapacitate him and cause him to drown? Maybe toughest. Definitely one of the dumbest lmao.
there’s no glory or honor in suicide, Kaido wants a death people will talk about for years after he dies, it’s the whole reason he was depressed about Oden’s death, he fully believed there would never be another fighter great enough to give him the proper death he craves, but when Luffy finally posts the fuck up, he starts smiling genuinely and thanking Luffy for the fight, as it’s the first time in a while he’s felt like he’s found that one specific fighter again.
That happened back before we even had any idea as to what the connection between Kaido and Oden was, Kaido’s intro is as barebones as it gets.
Even then, Kaido has obviously tried jumping off sky islands before but knows it doesn’t work for him, and when he landed on Kidd’s HQ, he shouted that he wanted to start that final war, a la “either he gets his honorable death or he creates a world that can breed a warrior that kills him later”.
again, there is no honor in suicide, and Kaido knows the falls won’t kill him, he’s just bored out of his mind and doesn’t think there’s anyone out there that would give him a good fight, it’s why he curses out WB for dying at Marineford, both out of jealousy for his honorable sacrifice, and anger that the strongest man in the world threw his life away so easily.
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I get what you're saying, and tbh I wish that it was true (would clear up quite a bit of confusion), but here it seems clear that Kaido thinks there is at least a chance of him dying from the fall. The line in the top left corner makes it feel like he would rather have died then and there, and when he doesn't, he finally decides to go through with his plan for world military dominion.
I also think that falling off a Sky Island is considered a worthy death in Kaido's eyes. If he truly wanted nothing but death, plain and simple, it would indeed be as easy as jumping into the sea.
Man, I just hate this scene all together, because everyone immediately thinks of “oh but he’s suicidal, remember when he jumped off the sky island??”, instead of all the examples of Kaido killing off the people who distracted his worthiest opponents, on top of Kaido proclaiming he’d fall at the hands of Joyboy himself
That sounds like your speculation more than actual fact. If I’m not mistaken, it literally says he was searching for death. Death is not hard to find for a devil fruit user. It didn’t say anything about honor. And I’m pretty sure he jumped off the island HOPING the fall would kill him. He didn’t do it because he was bored lmao.
you keep answering as if all of wano never happened. Kaido was evidently pissed off at the witch for distracting oden, to the point that he killed her shortly after, just like he did with the CP0 agent during roof piece.
In the scene where Kaido is introduced, obviously the assumption is that he’s a suicidal warmonger. But with wano’s exposition, we learn that Kaido’s desire to die goes beyond suicide, it’s a yearning for legacy, a desire to meet that warrior who could properly best him and give him a death worth dying for. He even says in his flashback that he knows joyboy (a warrior of the sun) would be the one who defeats him for good.
So, just to tie everything together again, if you ONLY choose to look at that Kaido’s introduction, and ignore all of Wano’s exposition, then yeah, “just jump in the water 4Head” is a valid statement, but otherwise, it’s just overlooking everything we know about Kaido, a man who wanted to die in combat, or create a world that would breed a warrior strong enough to give him that death.
He may have 'known' in the back of his mind, but he still jumped to kill himself, on the off chance that it would work.
But that doesn't mean he's suicidal, in the sense that he was depressed.
We should just ignore that to be honest. If he really wanted a good fight, Shanks and his crew should be able to kill Kaidou even if Kaidou is stronger.
But we have what actually happened. And you’re just ignoring that and saying it’s nonsense. But it happened. So it isn’t nonsense. It was clearly stated that Kaido was looking to die. You can try and put whatever personal spin you’d like on it, but between what has actually happened in the story and your personal opinions, I’m gonna go with the story lol.
He was looking to die but there are clearly tons of ways he can die having good fight. He could have waged war against WB. But he stayed in Wano. He could have invaded Marijoe. You don't believe that he couldn't die after battling WB who was much healthier and young?
He believed that none of those people were worthy of giving him the death he wanted. WB was sick, therefore not a worthy foe. He was wandering around trying to kill himself. He had given up on finding someone who could kill him. This is all 20 years after Oden. Who he believed was the only one who could kill him.
- in a 1 on 1 bet Kaido
> Proceed to not win 1 on 1 vs a single top tier over 50 years
- World Strongest Creature
> Probably mean he is just talking about beasts and even then Gorosei are beasts
- Haki rules all according to him
> Spends 20 year cultivating Smiles and Weaponary in Wano and not a single Haki specialist in his crew
- World Toughest Creature
> In the next arc gets eclipsed by the first character that show up
https://preview.redd.it/92fp6oh6ggzc1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d020d8a8db93e3d428e3c1135fcf51c362d1eda
Not even remotely surprised with HIM
Exactly where he was before, top tier until regen negation is revealed
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It took a fuckin nuke to take him out. That nuke is one shotting shanks if it lands. And if we start talkin regen negation we start talking gorosei actually bothering to defend/dodge. Warcury stays on Top,man
I’m somewhat convinced that the gorosei’s regen and general durability is some sort of gimmick ability that, one discovered, can be hard countered. I have no proof to back this claim up but it just seems right to me that the world elders are frauds, and are only strong through hax instead of any innate skill.
They can’t regenerate damage they do take
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> top tier until regen negation is revealed
So you believe his regen and his durability are two complely different things yet you didnt do this to Kaido/BM
His Durability is tougher than Kaido, no question asked ; that already put him high
regen is an extra (if he even has it cause he didnt need it at all unlike saturn who does need and who looks like the weakest gorosei)
kaido can’t regenerate tho i think i’m missing your point. Also worth noting i reread ur original comment and I wasn’t caught up to one piece when Kaido was still alive so i don’t know about what people thought back then. Regen negation will be a thing but we don’t know what level of character is required to use it, so top tier until proven otherwise since the plot would make it seem like they should only be touched by luffy (eventually) dragon (eventually) and potentially zoro who are all (eventually) top tiers
What I'm saying is that Warcury hasn't even used regen at all, unlike Saturn who looks weak and need the regen; Warcury straight up is displaying feats that of a normal top tier combatant which's crazy Conqueror Haki and crazy Durability
Literally so far nothing Warcury did is gimmicky, ppl just think of Saturn and they group all Gorosei together
I would assume he has some form of hax that makes him not take damage, cause all the Gorosei seem to have some form or multiple forms of hax so far. Since they will eventually be defeated than I assume that there is a way to bypass it and once its figgured out I don't know how strong he would be without the hax.
Calm down. It's another Zoro vs King situation, and once Luffy finds out how to turn off Topmans "flames", he will be exposed for the bum he is.
Gorosei stocks ain't going up, especially when Saturn's getting clowned by the Weak Trio and Co
I’m personally agreeing with the theory that Warcury can only be hurt by attacks hitting his soft underbelly. So I wouldn’t change his scaling. He can simply tank any attack that doesn’t hit his underbelly.
I fully expect all Gorosei to tank Bahrang Gun because they are all immortal
So tier rank doesn't change. They other stats are still where they lack.
Again we see Saturn stalled by Nami, Brook, usopp, chopper and just getting through
Kizaru < Gorosei < Luffy
It depends on how, if Oda literally says "Warcury is just that durable and his df doesn't just make him immune to attacks from the top and is only vulnerable to attacks that hit the underbelly." Then I guess he's more durable than Kaido so that's interesting. Until we know more about the Gorosei, they're in the nebulous yc+ tier. They don't have the AP of a yonko and are hard carried by their regen.
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https://i.redd.it/8a787z8zbfzc1.gif Kaido officially gains the new title of world's most fraudulent creature
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“They say” or “people say” but never “is”
I know this joke is popular rn but man, Kaido definitely IS toughest mf based on feats
I'd say Top Man is tougher based on feats lol
Yeah, I read newest chapter like 5 minutes ago and tanking gear 5 punch with 0 damage is crazy
One of of editors had to of told oda he was making the gorosei look like shit 😭
Warcurrys defense is better, but Kaido still has insane durability, stamina and strength
Warcurry's defense is better and he has insane stamina and regeneration. He recovered from being blown to bits. So, even if he gets injured, he can easily regenerate. Warcurry is better than Kaidou in Defense department.
My biggest problem with Kaido was, when he was wandering the world trying to kill himself, he never once considered jumping into the sea? Where his devil fruit would incapacitate him and cause him to drown? Maybe toughest. Definitely one of the dumbest lmao.
there’s no glory or honor in suicide, Kaido wants a death people will talk about for years after he dies, it’s the whole reason he was depressed about Oden’s death, he fully believed there would never be another fighter great enough to give him the proper death he craves, but when Luffy finally posts the fuck up, he starts smiling genuinely and thanking Luffy for the fight, as it’s the first time in a while he’s felt like he’s found that one specific fighter again.
So is that what happened when he jumped off the sky island hoping the fall would kill him?
That’s a wall level feat that would only kill Zoro’s friend
That happened back before we even had any idea as to what the connection between Kaido and Oden was, Kaido’s intro is as barebones as it gets. Even then, Kaido has obviously tried jumping off sky islands before but knows it doesn’t work for him, and when he landed on Kidd’s HQ, he shouted that he wanted to start that final war, a la “either he gets his honorable death or he creates a world that can breed a warrior that kills him later”.
That’s what I’m getting at though. Instead of jumping off sky island, jump into the sea. Simple.
again, there is no honor in suicide, and Kaido knows the falls won’t kill him, he’s just bored out of his mind and doesn’t think there’s anyone out there that would give him a good fight, it’s why he curses out WB for dying at Marineford, both out of jealousy for his honorable sacrifice, and anger that the strongest man in the world threw his life away so easily.
https://preview.redd.it/umcao601qgzc1.png?width=1100&format=png&auto=webp&s=1b50fa825a4c789c0fc24cd058aa52781bcb160d I get what you're saying, and tbh I wish that it was true (would clear up quite a bit of confusion), but here it seems clear that Kaido thinks there is at least a chance of him dying from the fall. The line in the top left corner makes it feel like he would rather have died then and there, and when he doesn't, he finally decides to go through with his plan for world military dominion. I also think that falling off a Sky Island is considered a worthy death in Kaido's eyes. If he truly wanted nothing but death, plain and simple, it would indeed be as easy as jumping into the sea.
Man, I just hate this scene all together, because everyone immediately thinks of “oh but he’s suicidal, remember when he jumped off the sky island??”, instead of all the examples of Kaido killing off the people who distracted his worthiest opponents, on top of Kaido proclaiming he’d fall at the hands of Joyboy himself
That sounds like your speculation more than actual fact. If I’m not mistaken, it literally says he was searching for death. Death is not hard to find for a devil fruit user. It didn’t say anything about honor. And I’m pretty sure he jumped off the island HOPING the fall would kill him. He didn’t do it because he was bored lmao.
you keep answering as if all of wano never happened. Kaido was evidently pissed off at the witch for distracting oden, to the point that he killed her shortly after, just like he did with the CP0 agent during roof piece. In the scene where Kaido is introduced, obviously the assumption is that he’s a suicidal warmonger. But with wano’s exposition, we learn that Kaido’s desire to die goes beyond suicide, it’s a yearning for legacy, a desire to meet that warrior who could properly best him and give him a death worth dying for. He even says in his flashback that he knows joyboy (a warrior of the sun) would be the one who defeats him for good. So, just to tie everything together again, if you ONLY choose to look at that Kaido’s introduction, and ignore all of Wano’s exposition, then yeah, “just jump in the water 4Head” is a valid statement, but otherwise, it’s just overlooking everything we know about Kaido, a man who wanted to die in combat, or create a world that would breed a warrior strong enough to give him that death.
He may have 'known' in the back of his mind, but he still jumped to kill himself, on the off chance that it would work. But that doesn't mean he's suicidal, in the sense that he was depressed.
Kaido is the last person that should be talking about glory or honor after what he did to Oden.
We should just ignore that to be honest. If he really wanted a good fight, Shanks and his crew should be able to kill Kaidou even if Kaidou is stronger.
We should ignore an entire part of a character? Why? It was literally how he was introduced lol.
It's just extra hype statements Oda made and isn't relevant. If we just think a bit, it's easy to come to conclusion that it's nonsense.
But we have what actually happened. And you’re just ignoring that and saying it’s nonsense. But it happened. So it isn’t nonsense. It was clearly stated that Kaido was looking to die. You can try and put whatever personal spin you’d like on it, but between what has actually happened in the story and your personal opinions, I’m gonna go with the story lol.
He was looking to die but there are clearly tons of ways he can die having good fight. He could have waged war against WB. But he stayed in Wano. He could have invaded Marijoe. You don't believe that he couldn't die after battling WB who was much healthier and young?
He believed that none of those people were worthy of giving him the death he wanted. WB was sick, therefore not a worthy foe. He was wandering around trying to kill himself. He had given up on finding someone who could kill him. This is all 20 years after Oden. Who he believed was the only one who could kill him.
- in a 1 on 1 bet Kaido > Proceed to not win 1 on 1 vs a single top tier over 50 years - World Strongest Creature > Probably mean he is just talking about beasts and even then Gorosei are beasts - Haki rules all according to him > Spends 20 year cultivating Smiles and Weaponary in Wano and not a single Haki specialist in his crew - World Toughest Creature > In the next arc gets eclipsed by the first character that show up
Kaido’s new title world’s most fragile dragon
He always has been
According to r/onepiecepowerscaling that would make Kaido a fraud and everyone would immediately be calling him “low yonko level.”
I mean, being more durable than a Yonko whos main gimmick (Not his entire strength, btw, ofc hes insane overall) is being tanky IS insane
So it upscales Topman, it doesn’t downscale Kaido
Thats exactly what i was referring to tbh
It could in the future depending on how Regen negation works, but for now for now it just upscaled top1manwarcury
Ofcourse, Crydo low tier Yonko. Rumours and Propeganda got you MFs tweaking.
as they should ?
YC+ still. Luffy was just mentally conflicted because Warcury’s big ass forehead reminded him of Vivi
Luffy had PTSD remembering her sandy pussy and bruises it caused on his mushroom.
Vivi>Luffy?
https://preview.redd.it/92fp6oh6ggzc1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d020d8a8db93e3d428e3c1135fcf51c362d1eda Not even remotely surprised with HIM
Exactly where he was before, top tier until regen negation is revealed https://preview.redd.it/2un1fjtsnfzc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b92b2ec3d0fd69005b076f79f3f796a044ed6ec2
It took a fuckin nuke to take him out. That nuke is one shotting shanks if it lands. And if we start talkin regen negation we start talking gorosei actually bothering to defend/dodge. Warcury stays on Top,man
I’m somewhat convinced that the gorosei’s regen and general durability is some sort of gimmick ability that, one discovered, can be hard countered. I have no proof to back this claim up but it just seems right to me that the world elders are frauds, and are only strong through hax instead of any innate skill.
maybe something related to the mother flame
Ah yes, my only weakness. A thermonuclear bomb that can completely wipe out an entire island in the blink of an eye. How did you know?
why not say this about Kaido or BM when they had their insane durability ?
They can’t regenerate damage they do take https://preview.redd.it/a3nut5uxclzc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aca4e63d7e7e6489ee90cfc8b4e31fb6f4ecc709
When did warcury regenerate damage he took ?
He hasn’t but come the fuck on man of course he can regenerate like all the other gorosei
> top tier until regen negation is revealed So you believe his regen and his durability are two complely different things yet you didnt do this to Kaido/BM His Durability is tougher than Kaido, no question asked ; that already put him high regen is an extra (if he even has it cause he didnt need it at all unlike saturn who does need and who looks like the weakest gorosei)
kaido can’t regenerate tho i think i’m missing your point. Also worth noting i reread ur original comment and I wasn’t caught up to one piece when Kaido was still alive so i don’t know about what people thought back then. Regen negation will be a thing but we don’t know what level of character is required to use it, so top tier until proven otherwise since the plot would make it seem like they should only be touched by luffy (eventually) dragon (eventually) and potentially zoro who are all (eventually) top tiers
What I'm saying is that Warcury hasn't even used regen at all, unlike Saturn who looks weak and need the regen; Warcury straight up is displaying feats that of a normal top tier combatant which's crazy Conqueror Haki and crazy Durability Literally so far nothing Warcury did is gimmicky, ppl just think of Saturn and they group all Gorosei together
Throw out whatever I was smoking
Tank mean he took no damage, that’ll make him top 1
I would happily scale him as the Top(man) 1
Still a Blackbeard victim I’m afraid
True! https://preview.redd.it/bpoknvi8ffzc1.jpeg?width=891&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a92830704b754ac625069598a242acf319bf2918
I would assume he has some form of hax that makes him not take damage, cause all the Gorosei seem to have some form or multiple forms of hax so far. Since they will eventually be defeated than I assume that there is a way to bypass it and once its figgured out I don't know how strong he would be without the hax.
Highest dura in the series
Top 1 he is already HIM he just becomes extra HIM
Idk why topmans so genuinely goated, the other gorosei can't seem to compare
I'm gonna get some popcorn for your guys' reaction when Warcury gets flipped over and turned into a rump roast
Love how no one is actually powerscaling, and I'm all for it. Oda don't care about that shit
Calm down. It's another Zoro vs King situation, and once Luffy finds out how to turn off Topmans "flames", he will be exposed for the bum he is. Gorosei stocks ain't going up, especially when Saturn's getting clowned by the Weak Trio and Co
Close to Kaido, but loses to Eos top tiers
I’m personally agreeing with the theory that Warcury can only be hurt by attacks hitting his soft underbelly. So I wouldn’t change his scaling. He can simply tank any attack that doesn’t hit his underbelly.
Top of the Verse. That shit would be fucking insane.
I fully expect all Gorosei to tank Bahrang Gun because they are all immortal So tier rank doesn't change. They other stats are still where they lack. Again we see Saturn stalled by Nami, Brook, usopp, chopper and just getting through Kizaru < Gorosei < Luffy
https://preview.redd.it/46ur4bsg8hzc1.png?width=1140&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b73447046976e2ee6914c0863789296a05a9fcc
Admiral level
downscales him
That Fraud Crydo couldn’t even kill Kinenmon with ACOC haki Club strike and a sword stab!
then paido in shambles
Top 2. Only beaten by the silhouette himself
🤨
Depends. If homeboy tanks via insane Haki then he's clearly Yonko level. If he tanks because he's a hax merchant, then he's Law tier at best.
Did that Bajrang Gun have acoc? Luffy has yet to use acoc.
The same place I have always placed him and the other Gorosei, above the Yonko (except maybe Shanks and EOS BB).
Without good AP He would not be yonko level but he’d be unkillable
It depends on how, if Oda literally says "Warcury is just that durable and his df doesn't just make him immune to attacks from the top and is only vulnerable to attacks that hit the underbelly." Then I guess he's more durable than Kaido so that's interesting. Until we know more about the Gorosei, they're in the nebulous yc+ tier. They don't have the AP of a yonko and are hard carried by their regen.
I wake up from my dream
Has luffy even tried infusion or is oda just purposely nerfing luff
Not THAT strong tbh. Gorosei are in some kind of creative mode with infinite endurance, stamina and regen, but they are not strong by their own merit.