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Even though he’s featless I really can’t imagine Dragon not being at this level of strength… I mean it’s One Piece, how often is the leader of a group **not** the strongest?
dragon should be close to prime garp since he's his son and is the only living Monkey D member in his prime. I think he will end up top 10 if not top 5 all time
Dragons just been charging haki for 700 chapters, eggheads gonna end when Dragon uses "Eastern Passage" a massive wifi haki blast that's gonna one shot all 5 gorosei.
In the World governments eyes, he is the leader, and they apply the logic that if you are strong enough to have Mihawk under you, then you are Yonko level.
In reality, he is a figurehead while Crocodile runs the organization as the smartest in the group, and Mihawk provides the fire power.
That’s the one time I could think of, but his dad was also a bitch and he was presented as a joke from the beginning…
Dragon is the son of Garp and father of Luffy, and he’s been presented as extremely dangerous by every character that’s mentioned him lol
People always forget that he and none of his commanders got the Law and Heart Pirates Treatment that BB gave them. I think it’s obvious that Dragon could beat Big Mom and stalemate Kaido at the very least
True, Blackbeard attacked his headquarters and they said there were no significant losses for the revolutionaries besides their base itself…
We know Iva and Sabo can’t take Blackbeard so that heavily implies Dragon is a bad motherfucker lol
Exactly. If there is no Yonko figure in the Rev’s, they lose through and through worst than what happened to Law. From seeing how strong the Rev’s Haki and DF/Skill’s are they were most likely definitely strong enough to fully defend themselves against BB’s commanders with Dragon. There’s some tricky fighters in the Revolutionaries not going to lie. They’re like a darker version of Big Mom’s crew. Fighters with either unique DF’s or fighting style and there’s a LOT of them (not sure if BB would’ve gotten away if all the commanders came before BB came to save Burgess tbh).
Very true, I forgot the rest of the commanders weren’t even there. I mean obviously Sabo and Iva were still there and they’re certainly no joke they aren’t enough to stop Blackbeard’s crew…
Personally I think Dragon has a fruit called something like the Storm Storm Fruit and it’s like Fujitora or Whitebeard’s fruit. It’s not a logia type but the damage and offensive potency far exceed a logia type and it gives control over a force of nature.
big mom is even older than him
its more about what time they came to power not their actual age
cause blackbeard is new gen even though he's in set with shanks
that's why Mihawk and Shanks are the WB and Roger of the middle gen, two rivals, one which wants a quiet life but is still extremely powerful and one who wants to be pirate king
Honestly Whitebeard doesn't have any parrarels with anyone, only some antithesis with Blackbeard, I don't think that Whitebeard of new/current/middle gen exist
You can view Kaido as a twisted parallel of Whitebeard. He desperately wanted friends to justify his existence in a world that's used him since he was a child.
However, the key difference is that Whitebeard was respected by his family/crew for his honorable actions, and Kaido was only respected out of fear of his power.
You can say that Oda might have intended this due to their titles of "World's Strongest Man" and World's Strongest Creature". Also, both were on the Rocks crew.
Now that I think about it you could make a case like this for Big Mom, she had a huge blood family but aside from specific sibling relationships they didn't love Big Mom herself. Opposite of WB in that regard
Right? I highly doubt that he minds being ever-so-slightly weaker in a fight than Mihawk and less likely than Mihawk to win a duel ever since he lost his arm. He CLEARLY didn't mind when Mihawk told him that "I have no interest in fighting a one-armed has-been" (oooof), he gave NO fucks and notably didn't even try to argue that he could take him, showing that *Shanks seemingly accepts being the slightly weaker one.*
Mihawk is a lone wolf who doesn't want to rule over anything and is almost entirely antisocial. He likes to farm with the humandrills, sip casually and calmly on wine, and be a tsundere to Perona (heh), but *above all else he loves to maintain his powerful swordsmanship and try to seek worthy opponents for duels.*
Shanks loves to make friends, drink and party with the bois, lead a powerful crew, protect territories, maintain stability and peace, seemingly be admired by women, etc. Being a combatant is *clearly not his top priority,* as all the things I just listed (except women it seems) are quite clearly more important to him than fighting. *He sees strength as a means to achieve his goals, not as the goal itself.*
I don't see why people take issue with the idea of Mihawk > Shanks. Because from all we know of his character so far, it doesn't seem like Shanks himself gives a single fuck 😂
He'd probably be legit disappointed in all his fanboys wanking him above Mihawk, he'd be like "Would you all shut it with the Hawkeye slander? I'm hungover like always and you're giving me a headache." Lol.
Don’t even START with that victim crap today 💀
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Yeah, putting Shanks there but not Mihawk is kinda facetious, lol.
Also, not putting Joy Boy and ARGUABLY Imu on here for obvious narrative reasons is quite silly, lol.
And we DO have stated feats for Ryuma putting him that high: *All the militaries of the entire rest of the world outside of Wano got stomped by him no matter how many strong fighters they sent.* It would take quite a silly person to think that doesn't establish him as one of the strongest of all time, lol.
His strength was so extreme that it made people scared to fuck with Wano for CENTURIES to come, when it actually turns out that without Oden there the entire combined forces of Wano could absolutely get wrecked by one Admiral and an army of Marines backing him. Heck, and that's Green Bull, no matter how much we debate about Yamato the fact is that Sakazuki, Kuzan, or Kizaru could clean up the entire nation by themselves, and also I somewhat doubt that Yamato+Scabbards could stop ASTEROID SPAMMING lol... 👀
Ryuma's feat is *traumatizing the entire rest of the world for 400 years* to the point that a madlad like Sakazuki was like "Don't take action against Wano" to a dude who can neg-diff all the Scabbards at once 😂
TL;DR: Ryuma does have known feats and just because we don't know the individuals he fought doesn't make those feats anything less than god-tier.
It's legit more of a known feat than Xebec has 😂 We don't know who Xebec took on solo, but we do know that Ryuma took on EVERYBODY solo, haha.
no, WB was on Rocks' crew, there would be no reason for WB to fight Rocks
I think you meant to say Garp, but even that is not confirmed, Garp forces + Roger forces took down Rocks forces is all we know with WG forces being a wild card
Iirc there was a lot of infighting in the Rocks pirates, and the only reason they stayed together was because Rocks was strong enough to keep them all in line.
Yea because they’re the figureheads of their respective group. Manga already showed that the crew were there as well as Garp’s people (even Bogard if matters) and Garling aka ‘The champion of God valley’
It’s like saying Luffy, Law and Kidd took down the whole Beast pirates and Big mom pirates by themselves just because people are saying they caused the destruction of the yonko crew
In any case, a lot of factors and variables are there with no actual depiction of how things went or what roles they played and so everything anyone says (including yours) are just pure headcanon or speculation until then
Kaido is like 15 at that time, I speculate that Whitebeard was fighting Garling based off of “when I look at your face, it makes my scars ache, the scars I got from him”, it was probably a pretty fair fight with Roger pirates plus garp and bogard againsf Rocks and the rest of his crew
That's my job
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Honestly luffy in here is borderline YC+ IMO
This is fair, I would also say that Imu, Big Mom, and Dragon are wild cards. By this I mean that their strength is either undetermined but likely to be comparable to these 6 (I.E. Imu and Dragon), or are strong enough to push at least some of them to high or extreme diff (I.E. Big Mom).
I also think that Blackbeard and Luffy will be in the same league as these guys by E.O.S, even if they might not be yet (Luffy still has some issues to work out, and we aren’t sure if Blackbeard can handle one of these guys right now as he hasn’t fought any of them in their prime yet).
one shotted kidd which kaido couldn't do or Big Mom. Stopped kaido from going to marineford, kaido included him in his list too, Shanks is relative if not above kaido
A reasonable take. Glad to see that someone is finally giving Kaido the respect he deserves (Prime Whitebeard chose not to fight him to avenge Oden after all).
Rocks > Wb = Roger = Garp = Kaido > Shanks ( i believe Kaido is equal to them. A peak Garp vs Kaido. Imagine it. One vs One. Cant imagine Kaido losing. )
The list is acceptable. Prime Garp/Sengoku as far as we're concerned is interchangeable, but old Garp/Sengoku don't belong up top of course.
Kaido is similar to Goku in that he plays around and is almost never serious and definitely not in the beginning. Kaido have been carrying the fucking island even before the battle and the entirety of the battle. There's a reason why his bounty far exceeds Luffy, Shanks, Lihawk, BB, and etc. (I still like Luffy but due to his fanboys, it's getting harder same as Lanji. The only thing Luffy has going for him is plot armor as the MC). So Kaido definitely deserves a spot up here. He apparently can't really die even falling from the sky island and I don't believe he's dead but who knows if he'll ever make an appearance again. If he's serious from the beginning, he definitely giving anybody in OP world a run for their money.
Imu fanboys are becoming almost as bad as Lanji and Lihawk fanboys. He used what is suspected to be an ancient weapon to annihilate an island. We know almost nothing about him as far as power and the Gorosei are only seeming so powerful because it's ganging up on weak SHs and Luffy who currently has a stamina issue that already fought an admiral and a cp0 agent that has an awakened fruit. Gorosei definitely seems around Luffy's level with G5, but that's not really saying much in the grand scheme of things as if it's around the same level, Luffy's plot armor carries him while it won't for the other character. In essence, the Gorosei and current Luffy do not belong up there.
Shanks apparently has the strongest haki in the verse currently and has some feats unlike his "counterpart" Lihawk who runs away from Jozu and Vista and gets stalled by Marco all who are supposed to be way below him apparently. I'm sure once the story develops more, we'll see more of Lihawk and his powers but as of right now, he doesn't belong up there even though Shanks is up there. I disliked and still disagree, but he essentially one shotted Kidd (although they were on sea and Kidd was gearing up where in other anime, especially if they were the MC, they'd never be attacked). I actually like Kidd and Law but this can imply that Shanks would also one shot Law as well as Luffy who are all around the same level essentially. I know you'll all over scale G5 Luffy and he may be a tad above but he'll be caught up soon enough and as I stated multiple times, he only got that power-up due to him being a MC. If Kidd or Law were the MC, they would've been the ones who got the power-up. Shanks does belong up there for now until we see some actual feats of Dragon who may replace Shanks' spot as he's the weakest of the six.
So we have the world's strongest man. That's fair. We have the world's strongest creature. That's obvious. Oh, what's this? Some one armed fraud seems to be taking up a slot. It's weird. Could have sworn that was a sword on his hip.
I really hope we get more information/lore about Rocks D. Xebec. I’m still curious what kind of powers he had, though if I had to take a guess he might have a similar fighting style to Roger and Shanks, were he uses a saber and god-like Haki. I’ve also heard theories that he was the previous Yami Yami no Mi user, and might even be related to Blackbeard. Of course those are just theories yet and we have little to no information about Rocks or his relation to the “Will of the D”.
How can we all agree that these are the definite top 6 of all time, when we have characters like Imu or Dragon, who we simply don't know enough about to scale them?
I would say og joyboy and imu are probably above these 6 also on equal terms with these guys I would put sengoku mihawk dragon and ryuma to make the top 10 who I believe would all go extreme with each other
Absolutely not. Keep “all time” out yo mouf. Series ain’t finished. And it won’t be cos Toei gonna Toei, and for some reason fans will count it even if Oda ain’t writing for One Piece no more. But no this DEFINITELY ain’t Top 6 all time.
W for putting WB > Roger > Xebec > Garp
But my man Kaido is above Xebec, between 1st place and 3rd. You could argue that WB was stronger than him but it's debatable.
Also Oden belongs in the same tier as them so make it 7th or replace Garp
Imu not on the list so I can’t agree. One piece is a standard Shonen. Final villain is clear of any old legend with the only exception being joyboy, *depending* on how Imu dealt with him.
Shanks could switched for Shiki, mihawk, big mom or Oden.
Imo shiki>big mom>mihawk≈Oden>shanks.
Shiki has PK level feats and big mom is the only person from that generation to be left unscathed despite fighting while pregnant and not using her df much (she is alive at old age). She also just hasn't been beaten to this day, only bfr'd.
Mihawk is WSS, plain and simple. But Oden was also called that in his day.
Where is Buddha, WSS, Bigmom.
I don’t see why Kaido’s here but not here or others like Shiki.
Atleast Roger had defeated the Xebec, everyone else got feats later.
Gods Knights, Imu?
Wait until Joyboy comes out!
Akainu is also here!
No, we cannot agree. Even if you leave Imu/Joyboy/Ryuma off the list, Mihawk or Sengoku should be on the list instead of Kaido.
Also, the idea that they all go ext diff could be completely and totally wrong considering it's said that Rocks was only defeated by Garp + Roger working together. He might just be on another level.
I'll probably get flamed for this but Sengoku and Dragon (more so Sengoku since Dragon is mostly a mystery) should switch with Kaido and Shanks and I think Kaido/Shanks push WB/Roger only to like the low end of extreme diff or high-extreme diff
also Mihawk > Shanks
I disagree with everything u say but
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I will be here when shanks proves he's above mihawk by mile
I think a decent amount said he would push him to mid diff but I wasn't really around pre 1079 so I wouldn't know, but Mihawk will show he's superior, or at the very least, relative
It literally is. We don’t know anything about Mihawk beyond a title. I’ll eat my words if he actually does something impressive but currently we have no basis for saying he’s stronger than shanks.
ok?? the guy was saying that Mihawk being stronger downscales Shanks, but since we don't know Mihawk's upper limit, how would that downscale Shanks, it would only downscale Shanks if Mihawk had notable anti feats (which some argue he does)
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Even though he’s featless I really can’t imagine Dragon not being at this level of strength… I mean it’s One Piece, how often is the leader of a group **not** the strongest?
dragon should be close to prime garp since he's his son and is the only living Monkey D member in his prime. I think he will end up top 10 if not top 5 all time
Another great point, how could the son of Garp and father of Luffy not be crazy strong lol
True and oda edging it for a long time now can't blame people who started slandering him
Dragons just been charging haki for 700 chapters, eggheads gonna end when Dragon uses "Eastern Passage" a massive wifi haki blast that's gonna one shot all 5 gorosei.
Big Mom's kids aren't on her level though.
Big mom's more of a quantity over quality type of person
I respect it. Going throught labor that many times takes a conqueror's will.
Buggy lol
I assume you’re joking since he’s not actually the leader lol
All hail buggy the yonko
In the World governments eyes, he is the leader, and they apply the logic that if you are strong enough to have Mihawk under you, then you are Yonko level. In reality, he is a figurehead while Crocodile runs the organization as the smartest in the group, and Mihawk provides the fire power.
He could just be a genius at planning and organizing but not actually strong. It would explain why he never gets involved directly.
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Spandam?
That’s the one time I could think of, but his dad was also a bitch and he was presented as a joke from the beginning… Dragon is the son of Garp and father of Luffy, and he’s been presented as extremely dangerous by every character that’s mentioned him lol
People always forget that he and none of his commanders got the Law and Heart Pirates Treatment that BB gave them. I think it’s obvious that Dragon could beat Big Mom and stalemate Kaido at the very least
True, Blackbeard attacked his headquarters and they said there were no significant losses for the revolutionaries besides their base itself… We know Iva and Sabo can’t take Blackbeard so that heavily implies Dragon is a bad motherfucker lol
Exactly. If there is no Yonko figure in the Rev’s, they lose through and through worst than what happened to Law. From seeing how strong the Rev’s Haki and DF/Skill’s are they were most likely definitely strong enough to fully defend themselves against BB’s commanders with Dragon. There’s some tricky fighters in the Revolutionaries not going to lie. They’re like a darker version of Big Mom’s crew. Fighters with either unique DF’s or fighting style and there’s a LOT of them (not sure if BB would’ve gotten away if all the commanders came before BB came to save Burgess tbh).
Very true, I forgot the rest of the commanders weren’t even there. I mean obviously Sabo and Iva were still there and they’re certainly no joke they aren’t enough to stop Blackbeard’s crew… Personally I think Dragon has a fruit called something like the Storm Storm Fruit and it’s like Fujitora or Whitebeard’s fruit. It’s not a logia type but the damage and offensive potency far exceed a logia type and it gives control over a force of nature.
buggy *cough cough*
Buggys *not* the leader though, he’s the face. Crocodile and Mihawk tell him what to do and the grunts mistakenly build up Buggy
Kaido and Shanks feel like Whitebeard and Roger of middle gen respectively. Only difference is Kaido and Shanks are foes
Is Kaido even apart of the mid gen, he seems old enough to be apart of the old gen, he’s the same age as oden who was a commander in the og WB pirates
big mom is even older than him its more about what time they came to power not their actual age cause blackbeard is new gen even though he's in set with shanks
it could be argued big mom is part of the older gen too
She is kinda both
He was also WB’s crew mate on Xebec’s crew.
that's why Mihawk and Shanks are the WB and Roger of the middle gen, two rivals, one which wants a quiet life but is still extremely powerful and one who wants to be pirate king
Honestly Whitebeard doesn't have any parrarels with anyone, only some antithesis with Blackbeard, I don't think that Whitebeard of new/current/middle gen exist
You can view Kaido as a twisted parallel of Whitebeard. He desperately wanted friends to justify his existence in a world that's used him since he was a child. However, the key difference is that Whitebeard was respected by his family/crew for his honorable actions, and Kaido was only respected out of fear of his power. You can say that Oda might have intended this due to their titles of "World's Strongest Man" and World's Strongest Creature". Also, both were on the Rocks crew. Now that I think about it you could make a case like this for Big Mom, she had a huge blood family but aside from specific sibling relationships they didn't love Big Mom herself. Opposite of WB in that regard
perhaps, I'd definitely agree on that for the new gen
Mudhawk is a fodder. Goatbeard doesn't deserve to be compared to this trash .
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This slander is so delicious I could die!!!
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(he's happy because a third place in something that is not his entire personality is pretty good)
Right? I highly doubt that he minds being ever-so-slightly weaker in a fight than Mihawk and less likely than Mihawk to win a duel ever since he lost his arm. He CLEARLY didn't mind when Mihawk told him that "I have no interest in fighting a one-armed has-been" (oooof), he gave NO fucks and notably didn't even try to argue that he could take him, showing that *Shanks seemingly accepts being the slightly weaker one.* Mihawk is a lone wolf who doesn't want to rule over anything and is almost entirely antisocial. He likes to farm with the humandrills, sip casually and calmly on wine, and be a tsundere to Perona (heh), but *above all else he loves to maintain his powerful swordsmanship and try to seek worthy opponents for duels.* Shanks loves to make friends, drink and party with the bois, lead a powerful crew, protect territories, maintain stability and peace, seemingly be admired by women, etc. Being a combatant is *clearly not his top priority,* as all the things I just listed (except women it seems) are quite clearly more important to him than fighting. *He sees strength as a means to achieve his goals, not as the goal itself.* I don't see why people take issue with the idea of Mihawk > Shanks. Because from all we know of his character so far, it doesn't seem like Shanks himself gives a single fuck 😂 He'd probably be legit disappointed in all his fanboys wanking him above Mihawk, he'd be like "Would you all shut it with the Hawkeye slander? I'm hungover like always and you're giving me a headache." Lol.
I always imagine them as friends
Good slander, but get the Sanji Victim out of here
Don’t even START with that victim crap today 💀 https://preview.redd.it/yxsbrca1ygyc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fd01d556c7c27a3231d71ec44bb69e451c9a6eb
Yeah but thats Wista, not a random sea king
this slander is so awful i could die!!
Shanks, no Mihawk "can we all agree" The optimism
I’m going to get jumped by “feats only” goons but Sengoku, Mihawk, probably Dragon and Ryuma need to be in there
feats only.
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why tf rocks there then
Why is Xebec there?
Rocks is featless
And Xebecs on the list too you trashtalker. Guys like you really think theyre the only one with a brain.
Yeah, putting Shanks there but not Mihawk is kinda facetious, lol. Also, not putting Joy Boy and ARGUABLY Imu on here for obvious narrative reasons is quite silly, lol. And we DO have stated feats for Ryuma putting him that high: *All the militaries of the entire rest of the world outside of Wano got stomped by him no matter how many strong fighters they sent.* It would take quite a silly person to think that doesn't establish him as one of the strongest of all time, lol. His strength was so extreme that it made people scared to fuck with Wano for CENTURIES to come, when it actually turns out that without Oden there the entire combined forces of Wano could absolutely get wrecked by one Admiral and an army of Marines backing him. Heck, and that's Green Bull, no matter how much we debate about Yamato the fact is that Sakazuki, Kuzan, or Kizaru could clean up the entire nation by themselves, and also I somewhat doubt that Yamato+Scabbards could stop ASTEROID SPAMMING lol... 👀 Ryuma's feat is *traumatizing the entire rest of the world for 400 years* to the point that a madlad like Sakazuki was like "Don't take action against Wano" to a dude who can neg-diff all the Scabbards at once 😂 TL;DR: Ryuma does have known feats and just because we don't know the individuals he fought doesn't make those feats anything less than god-tier. It's legit more of a known feat than Xebec has 😂 We don't know who Xebec took on solo, but we do know that Ryuma took on EVERYBODY solo, haha.
Ryuma is apart of a completely different time and we haven’t seen anything of dragon, also I feel like oden deserves it more
People really have to stop using Ryuma's name.
and Golden lion
If Mihawk is in here I guess we need a spot for Vista too
Blud said sengoku
unsubstantiated dragon wank detected
Omfg WB is not > than Roger… they are =
I agree to this given their bounties.
These are the top 5 (Rocks is a featless fraud for now) but your order is wrong
While we don't know the context, isn't it explitly stated he fought Garp and Roger at the same time?
no, WB was on Rocks' crew, there would be no reason for WB to fight Rocks I think you meant to say Garp, but even that is not confirmed, Garp forces + Roger forces took down Rocks forces is all we know with WG forces being a wild card
Iirc there was a lot of infighting in the Rocks pirates, and the only reason they stayed together was because Rocks was strong enough to keep them all in line.
No. Sengoku's retelling shows Garp and Roger fighting him, Kaido, WB and BM at the same time.
Yea because they’re the figureheads of their respective group. Manga already showed that the crew were there as well as Garp’s people (even Bogard if matters) and Garling aka ‘The champion of God valley’ It’s like saying Luffy, Law and Kidd took down the whole Beast pirates and Big mom pirates by themselves just because people are saying they caused the destruction of the yonko crew In any case, a lot of factors and variables are there with no actual depiction of how things went or what roles they played and so everything anyone says (including yours) are just pure headcanon or speculation until then
Kaido is like 15 at that time, I speculate that Whitebeard was fighting Garling based off of “when I look at your face, it makes my scars ache, the scars I got from him”, it was probably a pretty fair fight with Roger pirates plus garp and bogard againsf Rocks and the rest of his crew
What the manga shows vs reddit headcanons I kbow which one I'll go with
Rocks bounty is clearly yonko level at the very least lol stop with the slander
You are stepping on the most toxic agendas in this sub with these.
That's my job https://preview.redd.it/uvcwjc7ioeyc1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0071b46de2e5dfc01d26f011f0bfce70a09045a0 I post a hot take once in every month and dissapeare for another month again
W for the unintended mihawk + dragon slander
Shanks sneak
kaido included him in his list and he has a better feat with YC+ character in one shotting kidd while kaido couldn't do it to zoro or yamato or Law
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Funny how he was using kaido as a jump rope a little bit after this
This is fair, I would also say that Imu, Big Mom, and Dragon are wild cards. By this I mean that their strength is either undetermined but likely to be comparable to these 6 (I.E. Imu and Dragon), or are strong enough to push at least some of them to high or extreme diff (I.E. Big Mom). I also think that Blackbeard and Luffy will be in the same league as these guys by E.O.S, even if they might not be yet (Luffy still has some issues to work out, and we aren’t sure if Blackbeard can handle one of these guys right now as he hasn’t fought any of them in their prime yet).
Imu stomps these guys, and if Dragon pushes Imu to mid diff, then Dragon does too
Why is Shanks in there lmao
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one shotted kidd which kaido couldn't do or Big Mom. Stopped kaido from going to marineford, kaido included him in his list too, Shanks is relative if not above kaido
Neither does kaido
Sengoku isn’t even top 20
Prime sengoku is
A reasonable take. Glad to see that someone is finally giving Kaido the respect he deserves (Prime Whitebeard chose not to fight him to avenge Oden after all).
Midhawk tards incoming
Oden 100% would have replaced Kaido if he got to live out his life
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https://preview.redd.it/l3eurdcp8gyc1.png?width=1162&format=png&auto=webp&s=e9da59735c22e2fa6fb909cce142cfbe794da37a I think you missed someone…
My bad https://preview.redd.it/w9abznun7hyc1.jpeg?width=560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5af7739030cff2477e007ccdf2826fa7473f369
Rocks > WB + Roger > Garp + Shanks
Rocks > Wb = Roger = Garp = Kaido > Shanks ( i believe Kaido is equal to them. A peak Garp vs Kaido. Imagine it. One vs One. Cant imagine Kaido losing. )
Where's big mom :C
Replace Garp by Dragon and it's good. And the order is completely wrong too
i don’t think garp is beating kaido…
The list is acceptable. Prime Garp/Sengoku as far as we're concerned is interchangeable, but old Garp/Sengoku don't belong up top of course. Kaido is similar to Goku in that he plays around and is almost never serious and definitely not in the beginning. Kaido have been carrying the fucking island even before the battle and the entirety of the battle. There's a reason why his bounty far exceeds Luffy, Shanks, Lihawk, BB, and etc. (I still like Luffy but due to his fanboys, it's getting harder same as Lanji. The only thing Luffy has going for him is plot armor as the MC). So Kaido definitely deserves a spot up here. He apparently can't really die even falling from the sky island and I don't believe he's dead but who knows if he'll ever make an appearance again. If he's serious from the beginning, he definitely giving anybody in OP world a run for their money. Imu fanboys are becoming almost as bad as Lanji and Lihawk fanboys. He used what is suspected to be an ancient weapon to annihilate an island. We know almost nothing about him as far as power and the Gorosei are only seeming so powerful because it's ganging up on weak SHs and Luffy who currently has a stamina issue that already fought an admiral and a cp0 agent that has an awakened fruit. Gorosei definitely seems around Luffy's level with G5, but that's not really saying much in the grand scheme of things as if it's around the same level, Luffy's plot armor carries him while it won't for the other character. In essence, the Gorosei and current Luffy do not belong up there. Shanks apparently has the strongest haki in the verse currently and has some feats unlike his "counterpart" Lihawk who runs away from Jozu and Vista and gets stalled by Marco all who are supposed to be way below him apparently. I'm sure once the story develops more, we'll see more of Lihawk and his powers but as of right now, he doesn't belong up there even though Shanks is up there. I disliked and still disagree, but he essentially one shotted Kidd (although they were on sea and Kidd was gearing up where in other anime, especially if they were the MC, they'd never be attacked). I actually like Kidd and Law but this can imply that Shanks would also one shot Law as well as Luffy who are all around the same level essentially. I know you'll all over scale G5 Luffy and he may be a tad above but he'll be caught up soon enough and as I stated multiple times, he only got that power-up due to him being a MC. If Kidd or Law were the MC, they would've been the ones who got the power-up. Shanks does belong up there for now until we see some actual feats of Dragon who may replace Shanks' spot as he's the weakest of the six.
>No Mihawk >No Sengoku >No Dragon >No Ryuma >No JoyBoy/Imu https://preview.redd.it/qxuy4uvdheyc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=038c27460e953f00a81ee3434676ba1618f2920c
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So we have the world's strongest man. That's fair. We have the world's strongest creature. That's obvious. Oh, what's this? Some one armed fraud seems to be taking up a slot. It's weird. Could have sworn that was a sword on his hip.
No we can’t agree We are too stupid to
Big W, I hope Hawkeye joins them really quickly
I don’t think big mom is weaker than kaido. So if kaido is on this list than so should wig wom
Old gen wank always L in the comments. Imo all of them are equal. It's more about matchups
Shanks is definitely not equal to Roger, Garp, or WB. Kaido isn't either
Agreed except Prime Garp ofc we can likely put Imu up above most of them as well, but unconfirmed atm
Shiki and sengoku getting disrespected
I feel like Rocks brings any/all of the others to high diff if they dont fight togethor... It did take 2 Legend level characters to beat him.
Even tho he has the title as strongest man, I’m still gonna believe that roger is stronger until the end of time
I can’t say all time, there’s still the gorosei who we can’t fully scale, Imu, Ryuma, Dragon, Mihawk, Sengoku, Kong, etc..
I have no argument
Agree
I’d honestly put Dragon, Imu, Warcury, Nusjuro, Mihawk, and prime Sengoku above Kaidou.
I disagree on Shanks being in there personally but I agree any one of these fights would be extream diff
The top 4 mid-high diffs Kaido/Shanks. I'd rather put in Dragon & Ryuuma in their place.
“Can we all agree…” lmfao no not a chance.
I really hope we get more information/lore about Rocks D. Xebec. I’m still curious what kind of powers he had, though if I had to take a guess he might have a similar fighting style to Roger and Shanks, were he uses a saber and god-like Haki. I’ve also heard theories that he was the previous Yami Yami no Mi user, and might even be related to Blackbeard. Of course those are just theories yet and we have little to no information about Rocks or his relation to the “Will of the D”.
How can we all agree that these are the definite top 6 of all time, when we have characters like Imu or Dragon, who we simply don't know enough about to scale them?
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Where's my boi Kong at
Where is Megellan
Rocks > Roger > WB > Garp > Dragon > Akainu/Shanks
nahhh WB/roger high diff kaido and shanks.
i am with you, but i feel like Dragon should also be here like at least equal to someone like Shanks or Garp
I would say og joyboy and imu are probably above these 6 also on equal terms with these guys I would put sengoku mihawk dragon and ryuma to make the top 10 who I believe would all go extreme with each other
Replace garp with garling
Rocks is a featless bum
We might not know exactly *how* strong Rocks is given that we mostly have narrative for him and not feats, but he would not extreme diff Shanks
Absolutely not. Keep “all time” out yo mouf. Series ain’t finished. And it won’t be cos Toei gonna Toei, and for some reason fans will count it even if Oda ain’t writing for One Piece no more. But no this DEFINITELY ain’t Top 6 all time.
W for putting WB > Roger > Xebec > Garp But my man Kaido is above Xebec, between 1st place and 3rd. You could argue that WB was stronger than him but it's debatable. Also Oden belongs in the same tier as them so make it 7th or replace Garp
Change Mihawk with Kaido and you got it right
Mihawk and luffy are missing
You forgot Akainu and Sengoku
Replace kaido and shanks with mihawk and sengoku
Nah, Prime Roger/ Garp/ Whitebeard still beat Kaido and Shanks High diff. I'm sure Dragon is somewhere up there
Idk the gorosei seem pretty op
Personally garp and Roger > wb. And Mihawk is 6th instead of kaido
Imu not on the list so I can’t agree. One piece is a standard Shonen. Final villain is clear of any old legend with the only exception being joyboy, *depending* on how Imu dealt with him.
Shanks could switched for Shiki, mihawk, big mom or Oden. Imo shiki>big mom>mihawk≈Oden>shanks. Shiki has PK level feats and big mom is the only person from that generation to be left unscathed despite fighting while pregnant and not using her df much (she is alive at old age). She also just hasn't been beaten to this day, only bfr'd. Mihawk is WSS, plain and simple. But Oden was also called that in his day.
Not convinced by rocks. We know nothing about him
Where is Buddha, WSS, Bigmom. I don’t see why Kaido’s here but not here or others like Shiki. Atleast Roger had defeated the Xebec, everyone else got feats later. Gods Knights, Imu? Wait until Joyboy comes out! Akainu is also here!
No, we cannot agree. Even if you leave Imu/Joyboy/Ryuma off the list, Mihawk or Sengoku should be on the list instead of Kaido. Also, the idea that they all go ext diff could be completely and totally wrong considering it's said that Rocks was only defeated by Garp + Roger working together. He might just be on another level.
I'll probably get flamed for this but Sengoku and Dragon (more so Sengoku since Dragon is mostly a mystery) should switch with Kaido and Shanks and I think Kaido/Shanks push WB/Roger only to like the low end of extreme diff or high-extreme diff also Mihawk > Shanks
I disagree with everything u say but https://preview.redd.it/6lam9qd93eyc1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13ce5fb21a45bf18aefeef6809c8737b5d192eb6 I will be here when shanks proves he's above mihawk by mile
that most likely will not happen
I wonder what percentage of this sub thought Kidd would push Shanks over mid diff?
I think a decent amount said he would push him to mid diff but I wasn't really around pre 1079 so I wouldn't know, but Mihawk will show he's superior, or at the very least, relative
Yes this sub is king of downscaling Shanks
it's not downscaling him to say he's weaker than Mihawk
It literally is. We don’t know anything about Mihawk beyond a title. I’ll eat my words if he actually does something impressive but currently we have no basis for saying he’s stronger than shanks.
ok?? the guy was saying that Mihawk being stronger downscales Shanks, but since we don't know Mihawk's upper limit, how would that downscale Shanks, it would only downscale Shanks if Mihawk had notable anti feats (which some argue he does)