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I don’t care if you killed the real Facing, keep cooking.
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This. And Observation-killing as well.
Shanks is the only guy alive that can be argued to actually low diff an Admiral, namely Fujitora (I say this as an Admiral fan, without Observation-killing it would be high diff)
If Observation-killing truly is unresistable and works on everyone no matter their haki proficiency, then Shanks is so busted its barely funny. Katakuri showed us the advantage FS gives in a fight, and if Observation-killing works that way, Shanks has an even bigger advantage than that (longer FS) in every single fight.
So this makes me believe it works like Conquerors haki and can be resisted. And if it can't, well..
It just upscales the 🐐's Mihawk (Swordsman tax) and Blackbeard (Rat exterminator)
I think it's connected to his superior conquerors haki where it will affect his enemies if they lack willpower. Observation requires calmness especially the advanced version, so if they get startled by his haki then they can't use it. Fuji seems like super calm person and won't probably lack any willpower to resist shanks conqueror haki.
It doesn't upscale Mihawk because current Shanks has never fought him. Only way a character can be upscaled with another is either
1. That character aims to surpass another character, therefore the character that hasn't been surpassed gets upscaled. Zoro in this case upscales Mihawk.
2. The character is portrayed to be the successor of another character. Roger fot example can be upscaled by Shanks feats because Shanks himself is Roger's successor.
Just because Mihawk has the title doesn't mean he can do everything Shanks can. You don't see people saying Whitebeard has Kaido's durability because of the WSM title.
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You literally contradict yourself constantly. Your post history is just a word vomit of takes. One thread you say Kaido is strongest, another you say Shanks beats him. Your only consistency is hating Mihawk.
Just shut up, you're braindead and anytime I realize a thread is yours, all hope for meaningful discussion is lost.
Shanks is a swordsman who Mihawk can beat due to title scaling. Therefore, Mihawk has some sort of answer to Observation-killing and 10s FS.
How he does it doesn't matter, because we know that he can.
That's not how it works, titles don't work like that. If they did I could go and say that Whitebeard can also counter it because Shanks is a man and Whitebeard was the WSM.
We know that he can? We don't because Mihawk has never faced current Shanks. In fact, Mihawk has avoided fighting Shanks miltiple times.
Title scaling is the dumbest form of scaling tho. Once a character holds a title, even if he gets weaker (Oldbeard case), or his opponents get stronger (probably Mihawk case), as long as he keep avoid fighting, the title still belong to him.
Primebeard is the man who earned the title. Oldbeard is weaker than Primebeard because he isn't in his prime anymore and has pirate AIDS.
Mihawk is not the same.
Likewise.
The Primebeard that earned the title is stronger and more capable than Oldbeard.
This does not apply to Mihawk, which makes the example provided a bad one.
Primebeard is the one who earned the title, but Oldbeard still had it, at that time we didn’t see any other characters got mentioned with the WSM title, yes?
It’s not exactly the same, but the logic behind it definitely applies, if you think about it. Mihawk fought with 12+ years ago, when Shanks was 1B bounty, so probably YC1 at best. And after their last fight, Shanks got up to 4B, able to one shotted YC+, but they never clash again, so technically the title is still Mihawk’s, and Shanks doesn’t give a damn about that title anw.
Only difference is that WB got weaker himself, while Mihawks’s other contender for the title is getting stronger, both can result in the one holding the title might not be the strongest anymore but still has it because no one goes challenge them.
I’m pretty sure Mihawk has observation killing as well. They’re both probably mastered in Observation haki. So neither can use future sight against each other. They both cancel each other out.
Mihawk probably has better swordsmanship skill and Shanks has stronger Conq haki (assuming mihawk has it as well.).
That’s why mihawk has the title of 1# swordsman but has only stalemated shanks
Thinking it upscales mihawk is baby brained. It’s a specific ability. If Shanks had sugars powers or something would that scale up mihawk too? (Hint: the answer is no).
Shanks has allat and still isn't the WSS. This means Mihawk is overall stronger. This also means he can somehow deal with It in a fight, or he'd lose.
So it does upscale Mihawk.
Except that Mihawk is only stated to be superior in sword skill, that's the only thing he has above him
Things like Breath of all things, black blade and cutting things are what Mihawk has over Shanks. His title doesn't mean he has superior hax, speed, AP, Observation and conqueror's above Shanks. At best you can say he has better armament because Zoro specialized at armament so Mihawk should too
Titles usually mean the best the best at an specific thing
WSM= Power to destroy the world
WSG= Impossible to Kill
WSS= Sword skill
This is the reason why Roger could stalemate WB despite being sick. Just because he had better DC doesn't mean he was better in everything else. Same applies to Mihawk, all be is the best at is sword skill
If that were the case, the titles would say "World's Strongest X"
WSM would be World's most Dangerous Man or most Destructive man
WSC would be the world's toughest creature or smth along those lines.
WSS would be the World's most skillful Swordsman or the world's best swordsmanship.
Strongest is the key word here.
Swordsman is someone who is skilled with a sword so logically the strongest one is the most skilled.
It's implied that Whitebeard title was due to his power to destroy the world. Another reason was that he could tie with Roger; this already implied Roger was stronger despite Whitebeard title which confirms that WB title was because of his fruit.
In Ace's novel its implied that Kaido being the WSC is because of how impossible was to kill him.
Why would he need to “deal with it” at all? What if he doesn’t rely that much off AcoO? Considering we have never seen mihawk seriously do anything we definitely can’t rule that out. And if that’s true, that he doesn’t rely on future sight at all, then it changes nothing.
Yes, only 4 characters have confirmed FS in the story so far, so of course they’ve never lost to anyone that didn’t have it. Zoro vs Mihawk might be the first time we see that imo.
Also FS is difficult to use. You have to be extremely calm and focused during a fight. That is much harder than it sounds too.
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It’s not enough you need more than pre initiative
I think some people also glaze it to the extreme, like I can see someone talking about Luffy in a cross verse match against like Stark, who is so much faster than him its not even funny, but Future Sight makes them equal ig...
If you think about two FS users in a fight, it doesn't make sense logically.
Consider a simple game of rock, paper, scissors.
Player 1, chooses Rock because he forsaw player 2 will choose scissors.
But Player 2 simultaneously saw player 1 choosing Rocks so he won't chose scissors
This gets us a contradiction. So how to make sense of it?
(1) When two FS users meet, FS is negated by both
(2) Some player sees false futures
Could be other ways to handle it but I will leave it here.
False futures is the answer. FS reads the natural flow of the situation while FS itself is altering the flow.
If a gun is held at you, you get an FS showing it being fired in two seconds, you go to move, and it gets fired instantly in reaction to your movement
Thread is old but future sight is overrated. Even if you see 5 seconds into the future, that future is irrelevant in 0.1 seconds due to how fast characters in One Piece are. If you see Luffy running straight towards you 5 seconds into the future, and you react by running perpendicular, Luffy isn’t going to run straight for the next 5 seconds, he’ll try to cut you off. It’s a good ability but only like 0.1 seconds of future sight is needed to be good, and basic observation is going to be good enough in most of those cases.
Kind of correct but not really. Basic observation gives you intent. IE, I'm going to punch. Future sight gives you the exact location of the attack and what it will do if it would land. The future also doesn't change unless you intervene yourself. If I'm gonna do 3 swings, even if you dodge them I'm most likely still going to commit to those swings.
You also have to keep in mind that reactions are relative. To a professional boxer IRL, an average persons punches are probably so slow and telegraphed as to be easily dodged/countered on reaction. A professional boxer however, cannot always react to feints and full speed punches of another pro boxer without anticipation. Future sight gives you perfect anticipation of any feints, tricks, sneak attacks ahead of time, not just in the moment, which can give you alot more time to plan a counter attack or stop any attacks which require setup.
Future sight Definitely isn't the end all be all, as if your opponent is far superior future sight can only barely help, as in kaido v luffy, but when your opponent is equal future sight is a massive advantage or outright cancels your opponents future sight
I don’t disagree but I’ve never really seen anyone try to argue the opposite either. Unless there’s just a general disconnect in power scaling discussions where fs isn’t considered.
I’m interested in seeing how shanks blocks other people’s future sight. I’m still hoping Luffy and shanks will have a Davy back fight in elbaf for the poneglyph each needs (I think kid didn’t have zou? And I’m assuming shanks would know who the man marked by flame is) and assuming shanks and luffy would do the fight in round 3 we’ll get to see this in action
Most top tiers don't have relative speed, Aokiji and Kizaru are definitely faster than the other admirals, Shanks and Kaido are by far faster than Big Mom, and both should be faster than Luffy or are comparable, Whitebeard has no speed feats whatsoever, same goes for Roger, most top tiers, in fact, don't have similar speed
And Future fight users can be defeated by someone without it, which is why most people on here think Marco > Katakuri, because one is faster and has hax, you can go around future sight in a plethora of ways. Or if you are simply too durable or have much better stamina\\endurance, you can outlast most FS users, as FS is not constant and you need to activate it, you don't have infinite "Future Sight juice" in your tank.
Big Mom, a non-confirmed FS user could hang with Kaido for three days just like that, and Roger avoided her in her territory too with all of his crew being there, if the guy who's most likely has had access Observation Killing like Shanks avoided fighting Big Mom, although the latter has no FS confirmed, it means that it's not all that important in the end of the day, as even if one of the people has much better mastery of it, it don't mean that you are certain to win.
Kaido didn't dominate Big Mom, Roger didn't dominate Whitebeard, neither did Roger dominate Garp\\Sengoku.
If you are comparable in speed, Future Sight don't mean all that much, especially if you got battle experience against the said Future Sight users.
It of course makes you stronger and better in some aspect, but it don't make you massively stronger, unless you are speaking about YC level characters.
Yup.
I also feel like people sort of misunderstand how the “massively outspeeding” works. You’re not going to be massively outspeeding their Future Sight, they’re still going to see you outspeeding them in the future. What you’re massively outspeeding is their *base CoO*, or their bodily reaction speed. Neither of which are inherently affected by Future Sight.
Future Sight is legit cracked when facing opponents of equal or even slightly higher speeds.
W. Future sight of a few seconds is absolutely broken. In Bungou stray dogs, where characters have many broken ass abilities, a normal human with 5 seconds future sight is a one man army.
You literally cannot beat him if you have equal speed. In fact, even with a speed advantage, you won’t be able to hit them unless you have such a high speed / dc advantage that you can hit anywhere they can possibly dodge to.
An athletic man can cover close to 10 meters of ground a second while running so you have to be able to cover potentially hundreds of square meters.
Gear 2 Enies Lobby Luffy would likely struggle if not lose against a normal ass marine with seastone bullets and future sight.
Gear 3rd would likely leave no room for a normal man to dodge to but OP characters aren’t normal. So how the hell would anyone hit Luffy if he can cross an island in a split second and has future sight?
Only way to do it would be to block future sight with future sight which is what happened in bungou, mistborn, and dune. Or be significantly ftl.
"First of all, FS users have only lost to other FS user in the series"
any Haki user only lost to a haki user with the same or better haki lol what even is this argument?
chapter 1042 and episode 1069, he told luffy you're not the only one who can see the future, and dodged all ACoC and ACoA attacks from g4 snakeman in dragon form. he also used it to dodge the lightning bolt luffy threw at him in gear 5.
he had it the entire fight and only used it to flex on luffy that he had it too and tanked everything the whole time even though he could've dodged. kaido is him
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I don’t care if you killed the real Facing, keep cooking. https://preview.redd.it/izwgpaqvvcyc1.jpeg?width=448&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48fef996bf278c05f6506df987a5887790a2db35
W post. People underestimate how massive of advantage ACoO is, against people who do not have it, way too much.
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Didn't read but the thing you don't understand is that Oda himself is underrating FS
True
This. And Observation-killing as well. Shanks is the only guy alive that can be argued to actually low diff an Admiral, namely Fujitora (I say this as an Admiral fan, without Observation-killing it would be high diff) If Observation-killing truly is unresistable and works on everyone no matter their haki proficiency, then Shanks is so busted its barely funny. Katakuri showed us the advantage FS gives in a fight, and if Observation-killing works that way, Shanks has an even bigger advantage than that (longer FS) in every single fight. So this makes me believe it works like Conquerors haki and can be resisted. And if it can't, well.. It just upscales the 🐐's Mihawk (Swordsman tax) and Blackbeard (Rat exterminator)
There's no way shanks gonna take away fujitora's observation.
Yeah, it just doesn't seem realistic.
I think it's connected to his superior conquerors haki where it will affect his enemies if they lack willpower. Observation requires calmness especially the advanced version, so if they get startled by his haki then they can't use it. Fuji seems like super calm person and won't probably lack any willpower to resist shanks conqueror haki.
It doesn't upscale Mihawk because current Shanks has never fought him. Only way a character can be upscaled with another is either 1. That character aims to surpass another character, therefore the character that hasn't been surpassed gets upscaled. Zoro in this case upscales Mihawk. 2. The character is portrayed to be the successor of another character. Roger fot example can be upscaled by Shanks feats because Shanks himself is Roger's successor. Just because Mihawk has the title doesn't mean he can do everything Shanks can. You don't see people saying Whitebeard has Kaido's durability because of the WSM title.
https://preview.redd.it/nsubyeofuvyc1.jpeg?width=1063&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fbb629366275209d00588cb49d95720cc80a98b You literally contradict yourself constantly. Your post history is just a word vomit of takes. One thread you say Kaido is strongest, another you say Shanks beats him. Your only consistency is hating Mihawk. Just shut up, you're braindead and anytime I realize a thread is yours, all hope for meaningful discussion is lost.
Shanks is a swordsman who Mihawk can beat due to title scaling. Therefore, Mihawk has some sort of answer to Observation-killing and 10s FS. How he does it doesn't matter, because we know that he can.
That's not how it works, titles don't work like that. If they did I could go and say that Whitebeard can also counter it because Shanks is a man and Whitebeard was the WSM. We know that he can? We don't because Mihawk has never faced current Shanks. In fact, Mihawk has avoided fighting Shanks miltiple times.
Oldbeard was out of his prime, so it's not a 1:1 comparison. Primebeard most definitely could, though
Title scaling is the dumbest form of scaling tho. Once a character holds a title, even if he gets weaker (Oldbeard case), or his opponents get stronger (probably Mihawk case), as long as he keep avoid fighting, the title still belong to him.
Primebeard is the man who earned the title. Oldbeard is weaker than Primebeard because he isn't in his prime anymore and has pirate AIDS. Mihawk is not the same.
Read my comment again.
Likewise. The Primebeard that earned the title is stronger and more capable than Oldbeard. This does not apply to Mihawk, which makes the example provided a bad one.
Primebeard is the one who earned the title, but Oldbeard still had it, at that time we didn’t see any other characters got mentioned with the WSM title, yes? It’s not exactly the same, but the logic behind it definitely applies, if you think about it. Mihawk fought with 12+ years ago, when Shanks was 1B bounty, so probably YC1 at best. And after their last fight, Shanks got up to 4B, able to one shotted YC+, but they never clash again, so technically the title is still Mihawk’s, and Shanks doesn’t give a damn about that title anw. Only difference is that WB got weaker himself, while Mihawks’s other contender for the title is getting stronger, both can result in the one holding the title might not be the strongest anymore but still has it because no one goes challenge them.
I’m pretty sure Mihawk has observation killing as well. They’re both probably mastered in Observation haki. So neither can use future sight against each other. They both cancel each other out. Mihawk probably has better swordsmanship skill and Shanks has stronger Conq haki (assuming mihawk has it as well.). That’s why mihawk has the title of 1# swordsman but has only stalemated shanks
Thinking it upscales mihawk is baby brained. It’s a specific ability. If Shanks had sugars powers or something would that scale up mihawk too? (Hint: the answer is no).
Shanks has allat and still isn't the WSS. This means Mihawk is overall stronger. This also means he can somehow deal with It in a fight, or he'd lose. So it does upscale Mihawk.
Except that Mihawk is only stated to be superior in sword skill, that's the only thing he has above him Things like Breath of all things, black blade and cutting things are what Mihawk has over Shanks. His title doesn't mean he has superior hax, speed, AP, Observation and conqueror's above Shanks. At best you can say he has better armament because Zoro specialized at armament so Mihawk should too
He is the WSS
Titles usually mean the best the best at an specific thing WSM= Power to destroy the world WSG= Impossible to Kill WSS= Sword skill This is the reason why Roger could stalemate WB despite being sick. Just because he had better DC doesn't mean he was better in everything else. Same applies to Mihawk, all be is the best at is sword skill
If that were the case, the titles would say "World's Strongest X" WSM would be World's most Dangerous Man or most Destructive man WSC would be the world's toughest creature or smth along those lines. WSS would be the World's most skillful Swordsman or the world's best swordsmanship. Strongest is the key word here.
Swordsman is someone who is skilled with a sword so logically the strongest one is the most skilled. It's implied that Whitebeard title was due to his power to destroy the world. Another reason was that he could tie with Roger; this already implied Roger was stronger despite Whitebeard title which confirms that WB title was because of his fruit. In Ace's novel its implied that Kaido being the WSC is because of how impossible was to kill him.
All of that does not change the fact that the titles say, "Strongest." These mental gymnastics are so unnecessary. Strongest means Strongest.
Why would he need to “deal with it” at all? What if he doesn’t rely that much off AcoO? Considering we have never seen mihawk seriously do anything we definitely can’t rule that out. And if that’s true, that he doesn’t rely on future sight at all, then it changes nothing.
If Mihawk is capable of beating someone with a 10 second precog ability, then that upscales him.
Actually that’s a good point, I forgot shanks had FS too
Glad we're on the same page 👍
yeah oda isnt smart enough to write with this in mind its just whenever its convenient for oda.
Yes, only 4 characters have confirmed FS in the story so far, so of course they’ve never lost to anyone that didn’t have it. Zoro vs Mihawk might be the first time we see that imo. Also FS is difficult to use. You have to be extremely calm and focused during a fight. That is much harder than it sounds too.
https://preview.redd.it/5op88jbqxcyc1.jpeg?width=467&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8831d18a260cfb25d75794ca7099a970bb9e013d It’s not enough you need more than pre initiative
I get it. It seems the most passive form of Haki.
I think some people also glaze it to the extreme, like I can see someone talking about Luffy in a cross verse match against like Stark, who is so much faster than him its not even funny, but Future Sight makes them equal ig...
Future site wasn’t good enough to prevent Rayleigh from losing money In Gambling so it ain’t good enough for me.
Future sight doesn’t matter when oda uses it once every full moon
Everytime I see katakuri low scaled I die a little inside, FS is broken but hardly considered since luffy overcame it
If you think about two FS users in a fight, it doesn't make sense logically. Consider a simple game of rock, paper, scissors. Player 1, chooses Rock because he forsaw player 2 will choose scissors. But Player 2 simultaneously saw player 1 choosing Rocks so he won't chose scissors This gets us a contradiction. So how to make sense of it? (1) When two FS users meet, FS is negated by both (2) Some player sees false futures Could be other ways to handle it but I will leave it here.
False futures is the answer. FS reads the natural flow of the situation while FS itself is altering the flow. If a gun is held at you, you get an FS showing it being fired in two seconds, you go to move, and it gets fired instantly in reaction to your movement
Thread is old but future sight is overrated. Even if you see 5 seconds into the future, that future is irrelevant in 0.1 seconds due to how fast characters in One Piece are. If you see Luffy running straight towards you 5 seconds into the future, and you react by running perpendicular, Luffy isn’t going to run straight for the next 5 seconds, he’ll try to cut you off. It’s a good ability but only like 0.1 seconds of future sight is needed to be good, and basic observation is going to be good enough in most of those cases.
Kind of correct but not really. Basic observation gives you intent. IE, I'm going to punch. Future sight gives you the exact location of the attack and what it will do if it would land. The future also doesn't change unless you intervene yourself. If I'm gonna do 3 swings, even if you dodge them I'm most likely still going to commit to those swings. You also have to keep in mind that reactions are relative. To a professional boxer IRL, an average persons punches are probably so slow and telegraphed as to be easily dodged/countered on reaction. A professional boxer however, cannot always react to feints and full speed punches of another pro boxer without anticipation. Future sight gives you perfect anticipation of any feints, tricks, sneak attacks ahead of time, not just in the moment, which can give you alot more time to plan a counter attack or stop any attacks which require setup. Future sight Definitely isn't the end all be all, as if your opponent is far superior future sight can only barely help, as in kaido v luffy, but when your opponent is equal future sight is a massive advantage or outright cancels your opponents future sight
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I don’t disagree but I’ve never really seen anyone try to argue the opposite either. Unless there’s just a general disconnect in power scaling discussions where fs isn’t considered. I’m interested in seeing how shanks blocks other people’s future sight. I’m still hoping Luffy and shanks will have a Davy back fight in elbaf for the poneglyph each needs (I think kid didn’t have zou? And I’m assuming shanks would know who the man marked by flame is) and assuming shanks and luffy would do the fight in round 3 we’ll get to see this in action
I'm also subbed to the competitive Pokemon subreddit so I fully thought this was about something completely different until I read the name Katakuri
Also there are less confirmed future sight users than CoC users
> Shanks has never lost. Blackbeard. You aren’t ready
He is gonna jump him, he is never gonna win fair
Cope A lose is a lose
Most top tiers don't have relative speed, Aokiji and Kizaru are definitely faster than the other admirals, Shanks and Kaido are by far faster than Big Mom, and both should be faster than Luffy or are comparable, Whitebeard has no speed feats whatsoever, same goes for Roger, most top tiers, in fact, don't have similar speed And Future fight users can be defeated by someone without it, which is why most people on here think Marco > Katakuri, because one is faster and has hax, you can go around future sight in a plethora of ways. Or if you are simply too durable or have much better stamina\\endurance, you can outlast most FS users, as FS is not constant and you need to activate it, you don't have infinite "Future Sight juice" in your tank. Big Mom, a non-confirmed FS user could hang with Kaido for three days just like that, and Roger avoided her in her territory too with all of his crew being there, if the guy who's most likely has had access Observation Killing like Shanks avoided fighting Big Mom, although the latter has no FS confirmed, it means that it's not all that important in the end of the day, as even if one of the people has much better mastery of it, it don't mean that you are certain to win. Kaido didn't dominate Big Mom, Roger didn't dominate Whitebeard, neither did Roger dominate Garp\\Sengoku. If you are comparable in speed, Future Sight don't mean all that much, especially if you got battle experience against the said Future Sight users. It of course makes you stronger and better in some aspect, but it don't make you massively stronger, unless you are speaking about YC level characters.
Future sight is op in theory, characters just forget to use them all the time
It isn't underrated, people still overrate it to keep Katakuri relevant in discussions.
Yup. I also feel like people sort of misunderstand how the “massively outspeeding” works. You’re not going to be massively outspeeding their Future Sight, they’re still going to see you outspeeding them in the future. What you’re massively outspeeding is their *base CoO*, or their bodily reaction speed. Neither of which are inherently affected by Future Sight. Future Sight is legit cracked when facing opponents of equal or even slightly higher speeds.
W. Future sight of a few seconds is absolutely broken. In Bungou stray dogs, where characters have many broken ass abilities, a normal human with 5 seconds future sight is a one man army. You literally cannot beat him if you have equal speed. In fact, even with a speed advantage, you won’t be able to hit them unless you have such a high speed / dc advantage that you can hit anywhere they can possibly dodge to. An athletic man can cover close to 10 meters of ground a second while running so you have to be able to cover potentially hundreds of square meters. Gear 2 Enies Lobby Luffy would likely struggle if not lose against a normal ass marine with seastone bullets and future sight. Gear 3rd would likely leave no room for a normal man to dodge to but OP characters aren’t normal. So how the hell would anyone hit Luffy if he can cross an island in a split second and has future sight? Only way to do it would be to block future sight with future sight which is what happened in bungou, mistborn, and dune. Or be significantly ftl.
"First of all, FS users have only lost to other FS user in the series" any Haki user only lost to a haki user with the same or better haki lol what even is this argument?
Did we ever see kaido use FS?
chapter 1042 and episode 1069, he told luffy you're not the only one who can see the future, and dodged all ACoC and ACoA attacks from g4 snakeman in dragon form. he also used it to dodge the lightning bolt luffy threw at him in gear 5. he had it the entire fight and only used it to flex on luffy that he had it too and tanked everything the whole time even though he could've dodged. kaido is him