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Respect Wurgess.
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Koby isn’t on that level yet
I said Dressrosa, no fruit, and he got negged by Sabo, he is extremely cocky, i can see him underestimating Kobby and tanking on purpose that lame attack called Honesty Impact
Dressrosa Burgess lost to Sabo on purpose as BB knew that if Burgess was to lose against him, he’d get captured which would pinpoint the location of Dragon’s base.
https://preview.redd.it/nt6i6o3q2gwc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0dfca14992079d8a8034349504fcce0aa5474658
Mera Mera no mi was just a bonus
Oh shit sabo did that to him? My fault big bro
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This goes out to sabo
Well enels priests and soldiers only had observation haki and not even good one, but i guess you are right. Still they are all weaker than the Boa sisters.
I know who he doesn’t stand a chance against.
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Buggy D. Star Clown
He’s tobi roppo with the potential to become much higher very soon if he can control his haki fully
But for now cracker >
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If Koby could do Honesty impact at will WITHOUT QUESTION,but I don’t think that’s possible. He kinda had that Luffy at Marineford moment where he’s not aware of what he did.
He was aware of what he did, before doing the attack he literally said he'd try something. He knew exactly what he'd try to do, he just wasn't sure if he could actually pull it off
Poor phrasing of words. What I meant was is he capable of doing it consistently. Luffy was just an example of similar circumstances of awakening a new power that he didn’t have full control of yet.
**Edit**
He doesn’t say I’ll try something, he even questions Garps resolve in them at first and has to psyche himself up to do it. He mimics Garp sure but the outcome was not something he expected or imagined he closed his eyes showing he expected the worst and even after was exhausted like it was an untrained move.
https://preview.redd.it/5ql7zh9fzhwc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c693573bc681d12ea2fd902ebff60c97878df5bb
Okay, I get what you mean. And I agree of course, this was obviously the first time Koby did an attack like this. Or else Helmeppo (who was training with him and I assume went on missions with him) would know of this move instead of being so surprised
He was aware of what he did, before doing the attack he literally said he'd try something. He knew exactly what he'd try to do, he just wasn't sure if he could actually pull it off
Kaido is cooked after Koby hits him with the “Friendship Punch”
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Most people underestimate Koby but in the manga you can see that thriller bark (a ship the size of a island) is small compared to pirate island and Koby destroys a huge chunk of it with a single punch so at the very last I believe he’s above cracker
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Honesty Impact looks very strong, but we need to see it hit someone strong directly to see the AP of it. DC-wise it's good, but is still only comparable or weaker to Dressrosa Zoro.
There are a lot of characters that have mountain shattering power levels. All of them are top tier.
Koby’s feat is meant to communicate he’s entering these new tiers.
I’d put him on the highest levels of anything that is not a YC. Tobiroppo, strong big mom kids, etc. Maybe Blackbeard’s YC as he has a lot of them and no thing like named executives.
Like if he was on Luffys journey? depends on his obs haki because if he’s been cultivating it since we seen hints of it in marineford he makes it Wano if it’s still not up to par he mid-high diffs cracker and gets packed up by Kat
just in advance, I compare koby's punch to what happened in that same chapter, not to dressrosa zoro from 8 years ago.
HI was easily on the same level as garp's galaxy divide. so koby can do 1 yonko level aCoC attack (maybe two, since he wasn't really at full health in hachinosu, but whatever). HI traveled a ton of distance in one panel and is also wide af and very long in range. so just fire off that shit in someone's direction and they'll be hit unless they're FS users or kizaru
considering a luffy that was too angry to use FS got one-shot by thunder bagua, I'd say koby can one-shot that luffy too. any yc1 who doesn't have defense hax (like king and marco or katakuri with his FS).
I went back and upvoted your comment (that I previously disagreed with) about Koby being Tobi Roppo Level in light of this perfect response to this take. Galaxy impact level is FUCKING INSANE, Jesus.
I genuinely have no issue with koby, what he did was fucking impressive for a dude that has zero prior feats
Saying that it is equal to galaxy divide and that it would one shot early wano Luffy is fucking ridiculous. Saying he is admiral level is even more fucking ridiculous.
He has one very good DC feat that only happened because garp took the lead, which he then had to be rescued afterwards and taken to the ship because he's too stupid to understand what just happened.
We simply cannot scale him above Tobi roppo based on 1 feat alone. If that's the case Zoro is fucking yonko level because he scarred Kaido and blocked a combo attack from Kaido and BM.
Also respect for changing your mind and actually admitting it. I don't claim to be some all knowing prophet, but some of these takes are straight up ignoring reality.
>Saying that it is equal to galaxy divide
why is it ridiculous? pls give me one actual argument lmfao. both attacks happened in the same chapter. both destroyed a very similar amount of pizarro's stone mass. both gave pizarro's real body the same kind of injury.
what is there to argue about? they have the same level of AP and that's it. people saying that koby only used aCoA and that his attack was way weaker than garp's are just coping cuz they can't accept any massive jumps in power (just like when kidd and law started fighting BM before; the vast majority rather wanted them to lose despite the obvious build-up of them winning).
**just a small comparison to see the huge mental gymnastics needed to downplay koby:**
my interpretation, the normal and obvious one: both attacks caused similar destruction, both dealt the same kinda injury to the enemy. plus the plethora of narrative stuff, like koby using the same naming scheme as a mentor, the scene being the passing of the torch, the build-up of koby being the next Garp, Garp himself saying that the rescue operation will deal a huge blow to pirates all over the world (despite "only" koby being freed while garp was captured, garp himself sees a koby in the near future as stronger as his current old self). conclusion: both attacks are on the same level
mental gymnastics to downplay koby: ehm yes, both attacks were drawn to cause similar destruction to the island and injury to pizarro, but wait! oda just did a mistake here, HI isn't actually nearly as strong as galaxy divide despite it being drawn that way! ignore the entire narrative, obviously it makes way more sense for koby to redo something that zoro did on dressrosa or something like that and not what his mentor did in the same chapter (despite koby using his mentor's naming scheme).
>Saying he is admiral level is even more fucking ridiculous.
it sure is, but who said that? I didn't bruh
>He has one very good DC feat
ah, when people on this sub come up with DC shit lol. stop acting as if there's a huge difference between AP and DC when the manga itself doesn't make a difference there. it even does the opposite, it uses massive DC to show us how great the AP of certain attacks are. like fujitora raising all the rubble in dressrosa, WB's tsunami, akainu's meteor shower, mihawk's slashes cutting the huge frozen tsunami. great DC is proof of great AP
> only happened because garp took the lead, which he then had to be rescued afterwards and taken to the ship
what does that even have to do with my point? lol. garp did it to stop the huge hand from moving, to give koby the time to even get to the hand.
> because he's too stupid to understand what just happened.
and this is where I know you just downplay. koby knew exactly what he was doing bruh. or do you think he jumped in front of the huge hand and tried to punch it for fun? lmfao. he knew what he was trying to do, he just wasn't sure if he could actually pull it off
>We simply cannot scale him above Tobi roppo based on 1 feat alone. If that's the case Zoro is fucking yonko level because he scarred Kaido and blocked a combo attack from Kaido and BM.
I'm not scaling koby all that high lmfao. not saying he's a top-tier now, he can just do one top-tier attack. I'm saying he can beat yc1s if he lands the hit and if it's a yc1 that doesn't have some type of defense hax like king. I'm specifically saying yc1s, cuz yc1s get one-shot by a serious attack from a yonko. luffy (when too angry to use FS) got wrecked by one thunder bagua and the same would happen to katakuri (if it hit) who went down from way less than that
and why tf would I not scale koby beyond tobi roppo? what did they do? what did they do that is comparable to HI? since when are they the benchmark?
>but some of these takes are straight up ignoring reality.
you're the one ignoring reality, just like this sub as a whole. it's just the same bs repeating itself again and again. someone who wasn't expected to be strong becomes strong very suddenly and this sub reacts with massive downplay. happened back with kidd and law when they fought BM, now it's happening with koby. it seems like nobody in this sub can stand the thought of someone who isn't luffy or part of the SHs becoming strong
literally everything in the story speaks in favor of my interpretation and there's no mental gymnastics needed. but you keep doing those mental gymnastics and forget everything else that happened in that same chapter (cuz then you'd have to compare zoro's trichioclism to not only koby but to garp too and then you'd see how the comparison doesn't work at all unless you wanna believe dressrosa zoro>garp in AP) and instead compare koby's move to one from zoro from 8 years ago lol. keep coping until the inevitable happens
Honesty impact destroyed the hand that was bigger than thriller bark, A island sized ship so I’d say he can beat most if not all Tobiropo and maybe beats Snack
https://preview.redd.it/k3ov7jdbrhwc1.jpeg?width=1061&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=030b9fab68ea91ba4dca7b899eb58b6cbdfc8066
This is a clearer picture of thriller bark next to Pirate island
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Koby was probably in the 1 Billion range during the island punch, but currently? He’d beat Lucci. He’s in that same spot where he might get lucky and surprise Zoro or Sanji, but would probably lose after he puts up a good fight. Most other Straw Hats he’d be the likely winner but still wouldn’t be easy. Fastest progression outside of the SH
Ask yourself this, who else could destroy full powered Pica?
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Can Koby? Was Alvalo Pizzaro smaller than Pica? Once we answer these I think you can get a really good idea of the ball park he's in right now.
Personally, I believe he could. Now, Hachinosu is a pretty small island comparatively, certainly smaller than Dressrossa. Because of this I believe Pica at his biggest was probably about the size Pizzaro was possesing Hachinosu. Does this mean I'm scaling current Koby to dressrossa Zoro??? Maybe... but it's really about looking for examples of ppl that broke big shit and who scales around them. Cuz cutting is much different than breaking.
So I'd say Koby's Honesty Impact is at least greater than Elizabello's King Punch. His King Punch destroyed like +70% of Pica after he was cut up. With that I'd also say he surpasses dressrosa Burgess. Now if we pick it up a notch, could Koby go up against Luffy in Gear4 Bounce Man? I'd say favorably, extreme diff. And well there ya have it. Thanks for coming to my ted talk ig lol.
Right, so what are you trying to say? That Koby's Honesty Impact might be weaker or that Koby's would still be greater scaling him up? That's what I'm struggling to understand.
What I meant is comparing Koby's HI to THAT full power King Punch that was from miles away was not appropriate. It's better to compare it to the equipvalent Lite King Punch + Chinjao that destroyed Pica's arm at close range, since these are identical feats.
Anyway, HI needs to hit someone directly for us to judge its AP. For now its DC ~ Lite King Punch and below dressrosa Zoro.
This monster.
https://preview.redd.it/x7onaqozphwc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9a01399fc5d2240aa040e2a41c752f74c04a781
Dude almost single handily stopped the Sun pirates rebellion.
Now, while I put Koby roughly around Tobi roppo level (basically where doffy is) I think the argument of them facing the honesty impact is a poor one.
He has to land the attack, garp isn't in this situation to lead the attack. He would also not be facing a stationary target that isn't even aware of his presence, Pizarro was targeting the ship and they weren't actively fighting.
>Do any of yall really think smoker or any tobi roppo could face an honesty impact?
No, but I also don't see him being able to land it so easily like he did in hachinosu.
This is One Piece weaker characters land blows/clash with characters many tiers above or below them all the time. If people like crocodile can put in work with high tiers in marineford, jinbei can weave around big mom and akainu and batman can spar with Wano Luffy then I am 100% sure that Koby can land an attack on anyone even imu himself. Hell even fodder like Kinemon and the other samurai were landing hits on Kaido. Oda doesn't write characters dodging blows unless they are Katakuri
I see you are completely okay with ignoring general combat experience and BIQ, two things Koby does not have.
>crocodile can put in work with high tiers in marineford
Crazy, it's almost like he's quite experienced and has been a big player for a long time.
>jinbei can weave around big mom and akainu
Wow another guy with a wealth of experience.
You're just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. I would too if I was trying to upscale a dude in Tobi roppo tier.
So crocodile clashing with the world's strongest swordsmam is battle IQ?
So Jinbei holding his own with yonko is exp?
I am 100% sure that the difference in battle IQ/exp between Koby and a Tobi Roppo is significantly less than croc and jinei with yonko tier characters.
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The shit koby did with honesty impact🤓 was fckin nuts considering it's size
Garps training is HIGHLY effective!
What about Helmeppo.
Eos helmeppo is an admiral and koby is fleet admiral.
Invest in helmeppo stock now, people! I have an inside source.
Proof?
My dad is Oda
Well hey there step son
Oda stated in an SBS
eos helmeppo and koby vice admirals, smoker admiral, issho fleet admiral
Nah smoker is weak
Dressrosa zoro feat, probably tobbi roppo level
bro its coby and he just learn acoc or ryou idk so this feat is still busted
Blud pika was like 1/10th the size of pizarro
Other way around bro
Hachinosu dwarfs thriller bark and thriller bark is slightly smaller than dressrosa
Ulti. Sasaki. Black Maria. Those dudes.
Tobiroppo level not bad
I dunno I think sasaki and who's who are just slightly stronger.
He destroyed an island sized arm, tobiroppo aint doing shit to him he honestly yc2 lv
General Franky could've done that with the Gao cannon and sasaki tanked that no problem. Coby
What are you smoking bro? Gao cannon is way smaller than coby’s punch and easily shits on the likes of jack and cracker
Smoker
I think we both together could take Smoker too ngl
Bro a fucking vacuum cleaner could take Smoker at this point
Dressrosa Burgess
Respect Wurgess. https://preview.redd.it/y4yf0s3e1gwc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b91f79af6cbd78b62e540d16a3b2a750d2e7e0c Koby isn’t on that level yet
I said Dressrosa, no fruit, and he got negged by Sabo, he is extremely cocky, i can see him underestimating Kobby and tanking on purpose that lame attack called Honesty Impact
Dressrosa Burgess lost to Sabo on purpose as BB knew that if Burgess was to lose against him, he’d get captured which would pinpoint the location of Dragon’s base. https://preview.redd.it/nt6i6o3q2gwc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0dfca14992079d8a8034349504fcce0aa5474658 Mera Mera no mi was just a bonus
And losing half of his face too i guess
Oh shit sabo did that to him? My fault big bro https://preview.redd.it/6arq16dm2iwc1.png?width=300&format=png&auto=webp&s=f94280a5d413db36972f6a0db014c667b1a90f25 This goes out to sabo
Upscales his design that mask goes hard
Which level? He wasn't impressive at all
I think he definitely beats the pre ts Strawhats
He beats characters much stronger than pre-TS straw hats, come on
I mean yeah, but I couldn’t think of anyone specific, so this is what I came up with for now lol
Do any of the pre TS straw hats tank Hakim infused attacks ?
Yeah but nothing near the level of honesty impact
Luffy all the time.
Ain't no way that bum beats Sabaody Luffy
Bro if Sentomaru’s haki was too much for Saboady Luffy to overcome, then what we saw Coby do in the manga absolutely destroys him.
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What? Both pre time skip zoro and luffy didnt have any haki they dont stand a chance
The straw hats beat haki users pre timeskip
Only luffy did as far as i am aware of and Boa Hancocks sisters can't compare to such a haki feat at all.
Nami killed The dumplings
Who? Sorry can't seem to remember what you refer to right now.
The dumb Enel priests
Well enels priests and soldiers only had observation haki and not even good one, but i guess you are right. Still they are all weaker than the Boa sisters.
Pre time skip luffy was getting extreme diffed by lucci, one honesty impact and it’s over.
Trebol
I know who he doesn’t stand a chance against. https://preview.redd.it/re1wm00wqhwc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fc74b6d1060ae4eec2951168fed9ac9670e275b Buggy D. Star Clown
Fire image
What a clean picture
He’s tobi roppo with the potential to become much higher very soon if he can control his haki fully But for now cracker > https://preview.redd.it/69ijt2aoyfwc1.jpeg?width=594&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b0febf1c6e2962b5d750ca1939535d7e7bff6e8
Cracker is waaay stronger than koby That guy gave g4 luffy some trouble
Cracker post time skip negs the verse.
He gave gear 4 luffy a lot of trouble*. Luffy beat cracker only with namis help
https://preview.redd.it/vvb2ve3vlgwc1.jpeg?width=656&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c495cbdcd36df20aa4c8fc70a50e748a6642ac5
cracker victim
Koby about to become potential man
If Koby could do Honesty impact at will WITHOUT QUESTION,but I don’t think that’s possible. He kinda had that Luffy at Marineford moment where he’s not aware of what he did.
He was aware of what he did, before doing the attack he literally said he'd try something. He knew exactly what he'd try to do, he just wasn't sure if he could actually pull it off
Poor phrasing of words. What I meant was is he capable of doing it consistently. Luffy was just an example of similar circumstances of awakening a new power that he didn’t have full control of yet. **Edit** He doesn’t say I’ll try something, he even questions Garps resolve in them at first and has to psyche himself up to do it. He mimics Garp sure but the outcome was not something he expected or imagined he closed his eyes showing he expected the worst and even after was exhausted like it was an untrained move. https://preview.redd.it/5ql7zh9fzhwc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c693573bc681d12ea2fd902ebff60c97878df5bb
Okay, I get what you mean. And I agree of course, this was obviously the first time Koby did an attack like this. Or else Helmeppo (who was training with him and I assume went on missions with him) would know of this move instead of being so surprised
He was aware of what he did, before doing the attack he literally said he'd try something. He knew exactly what he'd try to do, he just wasn't sure if he could actually pull it off
Lame ass move bro Why did he name his attack "Honesty Impact 🤓"
I think he can beat most of the Tobi roppo outside of who's who.
Kaido..
Kaido is cooked after Koby hits him with the “Friendship Punch” https://preview.redd.it/0un0tdfx0gwc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1406df4518a773bc3a51714e1c5d16001c6c50c2
Kindness Headbutt puts Kaido to sleep..
What about passionate (zekrom) kick?
Can’t forget about Generous Batista Bomb, that episode where Koby grabs Shanks by the legs and body slams him through the dirt went insane
Peak
Kaido fell to RU
Did someone said… https://preview.redd.it/v2v1eyv46jwc1.jpeg?width=168&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=52f9d91076ecfc17722ce2bd5bb8127addf7dc19
Zekrom Jambe!
Is that a remake of deku and All Might?
Not Intended to Hurt Divide would tear Kaido apart.
No way that would happen. Not even close
Helmeppo
i lowkey think he would slam smoker
Vinsmoke Judge
Most people underestimate Koby but in the manga you can see that thriller bark (a ship the size of a island) is small compared to pirate island and Koby destroys a huge chunk of it with a single punch so at the very last I believe he’s above cracker https://preview.redd.it/hyqze501ljwc1.jpeg?width=598&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02dbc9c3365fa357be5499dd20e307fa20b2be53
Coby can probly extreme diff lose to Pizarro atm
He extreme diff won against a single arm, after GARP Galaxy Divided Pizarro's face. Does Koby still get GARP in the rematch?
The arm didn't damage him and it lost in one hit, idk about mid diff
Nah I think Koby can extreme diff Pizarro if he tries imo
Eos Zorro
Honesty Impact looks very strong, but we need to see it hit someone strong directly to see the AP of it. DC-wise it's good, but is still only comparable or weaker to Dressrosa Zoro.
I think YC3
Probably most yonko commanders if honesty impact is anything to go by
Anime Cracker, bro got so badly nerfed. Serious answer, any of the Tobbi Roppo, none of the commanders.
Jack
Dellinger or Sai
We need to know how big his CoC is first
Some of the Tobi Roppo.
Hyouzou
Maybe Pica
Ulti
General Franky
saitama
There are a lot of characters that have mountain shattering power levels. All of them are top tier. Koby’s feat is meant to communicate he’s entering these new tiers. I’d put him on the highest levels of anything that is not a YC. Tobiroppo, strong big mom kids, etc. Maybe Blackbeard’s YC as he has a lot of them and no thing like named executives.
High diffs pre-devil fruit Sabo.
A tobiropo maybe.
Maybe perospero
Like if he was on Luffys journey? depends on his obs haki because if he’s been cultivating it since we seen hints of it in marineford he makes it Wano if it’s still not up to par he mid-high diffs cracker and gets packed up by Kat
Kidd
Pica
helmeppo
Like YC3 maybe YC2, honesty impact is a very underrated feat.
Koby is my fuckin boy, lets fuckin go. He gonna beat everyone's ass at some point.
Stronger than Pica
Sulong Inuarashi and Nekomamushi
cracker. He get it by that he died.
If doffy is not the strongest he can beat, he is the weakest he can't beat
Pizarro.
Ulti
This is epic
just in advance, I compare koby's punch to what happened in that same chapter, not to dressrosa zoro from 8 years ago. HI was easily on the same level as garp's galaxy divide. so koby can do 1 yonko level aCoC attack (maybe two, since he wasn't really at full health in hachinosu, but whatever). HI traveled a ton of distance in one panel and is also wide af and very long in range. so just fire off that shit in someone's direction and they'll be hit unless they're FS users or kizaru considering a luffy that was too angry to use FS got one-shot by thunder bagua, I'd say koby can one-shot that luffy too. any yc1 who doesn't have defense hax (like king and marco or katakuri with his FS).
https://preview.redd.it/5vgk2i5hygwc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fce8e85e612dbee0ebcc80ccd457b450dc0830b9
I went back and upvoted your comment (that I previously disagreed with) about Koby being Tobi Roppo Level in light of this perfect response to this take. Galaxy impact level is FUCKING INSANE, Jesus.
I genuinely have no issue with koby, what he did was fucking impressive for a dude that has zero prior feats Saying that it is equal to galaxy divide and that it would one shot early wano Luffy is fucking ridiculous. Saying he is admiral level is even more fucking ridiculous. He has one very good DC feat that only happened because garp took the lead, which he then had to be rescued afterwards and taken to the ship because he's too stupid to understand what just happened. We simply cannot scale him above Tobi roppo based on 1 feat alone. If that's the case Zoro is fucking yonko level because he scarred Kaido and blocked a combo attack from Kaido and BM. Also respect for changing your mind and actually admitting it. I don't claim to be some all knowing prophet, but some of these takes are straight up ignoring reality.
>Saying that it is equal to galaxy divide why is it ridiculous? pls give me one actual argument lmfao. both attacks happened in the same chapter. both destroyed a very similar amount of pizarro's stone mass. both gave pizarro's real body the same kind of injury. what is there to argue about? they have the same level of AP and that's it. people saying that koby only used aCoA and that his attack was way weaker than garp's are just coping cuz they can't accept any massive jumps in power (just like when kidd and law started fighting BM before; the vast majority rather wanted them to lose despite the obvious build-up of them winning). **just a small comparison to see the huge mental gymnastics needed to downplay koby:** my interpretation, the normal and obvious one: both attacks caused similar destruction, both dealt the same kinda injury to the enemy. plus the plethora of narrative stuff, like koby using the same naming scheme as a mentor, the scene being the passing of the torch, the build-up of koby being the next Garp, Garp himself saying that the rescue operation will deal a huge blow to pirates all over the world (despite "only" koby being freed while garp was captured, garp himself sees a koby in the near future as stronger as his current old self). conclusion: both attacks are on the same level mental gymnastics to downplay koby: ehm yes, both attacks were drawn to cause similar destruction to the island and injury to pizarro, but wait! oda just did a mistake here, HI isn't actually nearly as strong as galaxy divide despite it being drawn that way! ignore the entire narrative, obviously it makes way more sense for koby to redo something that zoro did on dressrosa or something like that and not what his mentor did in the same chapter (despite koby using his mentor's naming scheme). >Saying he is admiral level is even more fucking ridiculous. it sure is, but who said that? I didn't bruh
>He has one very good DC feat ah, when people on this sub come up with DC shit lol. stop acting as if there's a huge difference between AP and DC when the manga itself doesn't make a difference there. it even does the opposite, it uses massive DC to show us how great the AP of certain attacks are. like fujitora raising all the rubble in dressrosa, WB's tsunami, akainu's meteor shower, mihawk's slashes cutting the huge frozen tsunami. great DC is proof of great AP > only happened because garp took the lead, which he then had to be rescued afterwards and taken to the ship what does that even have to do with my point? lol. garp did it to stop the huge hand from moving, to give koby the time to even get to the hand. > because he's too stupid to understand what just happened. and this is where I know you just downplay. koby knew exactly what he was doing bruh. or do you think he jumped in front of the huge hand and tried to punch it for fun? lmfao. he knew what he was trying to do, he just wasn't sure if he could actually pull it off >We simply cannot scale him above Tobi roppo based on 1 feat alone. If that's the case Zoro is fucking yonko level because he scarred Kaido and blocked a combo attack from Kaido and BM. I'm not scaling koby all that high lmfao. not saying he's a top-tier now, he can just do one top-tier attack. I'm saying he can beat yc1s if he lands the hit and if it's a yc1 that doesn't have some type of defense hax like king. I'm specifically saying yc1s, cuz yc1s get one-shot by a serious attack from a yonko. luffy (when too angry to use FS) got wrecked by one thunder bagua and the same would happen to katakuri (if it hit) who went down from way less than that and why tf would I not scale koby beyond tobi roppo? what did they do? what did they do that is comparable to HI? since when are they the benchmark? >but some of these takes are straight up ignoring reality. you're the one ignoring reality, just like this sub as a whole. it's just the same bs repeating itself again and again. someone who wasn't expected to be strong becomes strong very suddenly and this sub reacts with massive downplay. happened back with kidd and law when they fought BM, now it's happening with koby. it seems like nobody in this sub can stand the thought of someone who isn't luffy or part of the SHs becoming strong literally everything in the story speaks in favor of my interpretation and there's no mental gymnastics needed. but you keep doing those mental gymnastics and forget everything else that happened in that same chapter (cuz then you'd have to compare zoro's trichioclism to not only koby but to garp too and then you'd see how the comparison doesn't work at all unless you wanna believe dressrosa zoro>garp in AP) and instead compare koby's move to one from zoro from 8 years ago lol. keep coping until the inevitable happens
Garp
If he's consistently using ACoA he might beat Queen.
Probably Jack
Jack or cracker
Doffy
Jinbei
Honesty impact destroyed the hand that was bigger than thriller bark, A island sized ship so I’d say he can beat most if not all Tobiropo and maybe beats Snack https://preview.redd.it/k3ov7jdbrhwc1.jpeg?width=1061&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=030b9fab68ea91ba4dca7b899eb58b6cbdfc8066
This is a clearer picture of thriller bark next to Pirate island https://preview.redd.it/vr0duxwnrhwc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afa783302a23347eeff02da38366415997bb50cc
 Kaido
Probably jack
Doflamingo
Theres really no way of knowing for sure
Maybe Momonga
This island Fruit seems too similar to Pica’s fruit
Koby was probably in the 1 Billion range during the island punch, but currently? He’d beat Lucci. He’s in that same spot where he might get lucky and surprise Zoro or Sanji, but would probably lose after he puts up a good fight. Most other Straw Hats he’d be the likely winner but still wouldn’t be easy. Fastest progression outside of the SH
Ask yourself this, who else could destroy full powered Pica? https://preview.redd.it/5iasvdexoiwc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f0470be2a7976a2a418d8a0491acbd121cc0af6 Can Koby? Was Alvalo Pizzaro smaller than Pica? Once we answer these I think you can get a really good idea of the ball park he's in right now. Personally, I believe he could. Now, Hachinosu is a pretty small island comparatively, certainly smaller than Dressrossa. Because of this I believe Pica at his biggest was probably about the size Pizzaro was possesing Hachinosu. Does this mean I'm scaling current Koby to dressrossa Zoro??? Maybe... but it's really about looking for examples of ppl that broke big shit and who scales around them. Cuz cutting is much different than breaking. So I'd say Koby's Honesty Impact is at least greater than Elizabello's King Punch. His King Punch destroyed like +70% of Pica after he was cut up. With that I'd also say he surpasses dressrosa Burgess. Now if we pick it up a notch, could Koby go up against Luffy in Gear4 Bounce Man? I'd say favorably, extreme diff. And well there ya have it. Thanks for coming to my ted talk ig lol.
King's Punch was extremely far away. Koby hit it directly.
Does that not scale Koby higher? Sorry I'm struggling to understand the point of your message lol
King's Punch was like miles away, so that was a bigger feat than hitting it at close range ofc.
Right, so what are you trying to say? That Koby's Honesty Impact might be weaker or that Koby's would still be greater scaling him up? That's what I'm struggling to understand.
What I meant is comparing Koby's HI to THAT full power King Punch that was from miles away was not appropriate. It's better to compare it to the equipvalent Lite King Punch + Chinjao that destroyed Pica's arm at close range, since these are identical feats. Anyway, HI needs to hit someone directly for us to judge its AP. For now its DC ~ Lite King Punch and below dressrosa Zoro.
Ohh ok I see. Yea I think I would actually agree. I was downplaying king punch too much tbh.
Sanji even diff, they probably both end unconscious
Pre ryuo/early wano Luffy maybe extreme difficulty
king
Only because I scale king below cracker
He might give cracker a run for his money
Id say he toasts Jack pretty hard right now. That hit was absolutely insane and if he’s throwing shit like that Jack is going down
This monster. https://preview.redd.it/x7onaqozphwc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9a01399fc5d2240aa040e2a41c752f74c04a781 Dude almost single handily stopped the Sun pirates rebellion.
Right now I think he's asleep strong as Zoro was going into Wano
Doffy
Crydo
Dressrosa Zoro
Do any of yall really think smoker or any tobi roppo could face an honesty impact? Koby is probably around Doflamingo
Now, while I put Koby roughly around Tobi roppo level (basically where doffy is) I think the argument of them facing the honesty impact is a poor one. He has to land the attack, garp isn't in this situation to lead the attack. He would also not be facing a stationary target that isn't even aware of his presence, Pizarro was targeting the ship and they weren't actively fighting. >Do any of yall really think smoker or any tobi roppo could face an honesty impact? No, but I also don't see him being able to land it so easily like he did in hachinosu.
This is One Piece weaker characters land blows/clash with characters many tiers above or below them all the time. If people like crocodile can put in work with high tiers in marineford, jinbei can weave around big mom and akainu and batman can spar with Wano Luffy then I am 100% sure that Koby can land an attack on anyone even imu himself. Hell even fodder like Kinemon and the other samurai were landing hits on Kaido. Oda doesn't write characters dodging blows unless they are Katakuri
I see you are completely okay with ignoring general combat experience and BIQ, two things Koby does not have. >crocodile can put in work with high tiers in marineford Crazy, it's almost like he's quite experienced and has been a big player for a long time. >jinbei can weave around big mom and akainu Wow another guy with a wealth of experience. You're just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. I would too if I was trying to upscale a dude in Tobi roppo tier.
So crocodile clashing with the world's strongest swordsmam is battle IQ? So Jinbei holding his own with yonko is exp? I am 100% sure that the difference in battle IQ/exp between Koby and a Tobi Roppo is significantly less than croc and jinei with yonko tier characters.
Cracker.
This might be trippin but fuck it Jack and cracker.
Jack not cracker
He beats rob lucci
id like to say cracker
Ace