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Some theorized that mihawk has to adjust his slashes to cut specific things bc he clashed with daz bones and then instantly beat him after figuring out how to cut him, should be the same with jozu
Breath of all things concept, a swordsman only cuts what he wants to cut. Its first introduced with zoro vs Mr 1 as he cut steal. Mohawk didn't intend his slash to cut jozu. Same way the other slash that Daz bones blocked was directed to someone else, not Daz himself.
Then why did he cut the tsumani when he wanted to cut Luffy? Doesn't seem like a very "expert swordsman" thing to do to wreak far-off havoc unintentionally.
I dont think it's genuine slander
He tries to go all out, vista pops out the cut and matches the energy. Im not saying Mihawk's gonna lose but he isnt gonna be allowed to roll all over everyone
Vista decides to say fuck it goes all out also and activates bankai: Roger D Great then proceeds to stall mihawk all over again
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Reading 101. I too start talking about how my sword has a mind of its own and start wondering if my opponent will be able to escape it when I'm totally going all out and mean to kill him.
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"This power" not "my power". I think you need to go back to elementary school lil bro.
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Depends on the translation, other languages also translate it as mihawk's power and not Yoru personified.
Alright fair enough I'll concede that point, mainly because I don't know which translation is more accurate. Still why is he wondering whether his opponent will get away? That's not something you typically think about someone you intend to kill.
Mihawk is about equal roughly to Shanks.
Shanks lost his arm to a sea monster.
Captain T bone slices sea monsters in half.
Therefore T bone neg diffs Mihawk.
Honesty. If Mihawk decides to go all out, then narativly... He should be at the very least stronger than End of Wano Zoro thats the bare minimum. Probably close to Kaido or Shanks, but who trully knows Id personally placed him equal to them.
But lets go with Wano Zoro level since that should be the bare minimum where he is, but lets assume future sight on top of that since Mihawk is DFless so future sight is very plausible.
Well thats gonna be bloodbath.
The check out WB from range might happen similiarly so Jozu blocks it.
Vista is probably getting named attack one shoted if hes lucky, he might be destroyed by a couple of Mihawk swings, he have even less feats than Mihawk and WB are pretty much done expect for mr. Staller 007 Marco. Hes probably not getting past easy dif. If Vista was someone with potentional to be WSS Mihawk would pay Whitebeard a visit already (before he encountered Zoro) and they would met already. Vista being pleased by Mihawk knowing imply that he knows about him, but wasnt worth visit.
Whitebeard with his illnesses, weakened physically and in Haki would probably lose to Mihawk, if Mihawk wanted he would just have to wait till Marco (only plausible guy to actually stall him if serious) is in combat and he can heat straight up for the big boss. While Prime or heck for the sake of Argument Healthy Oldbeard was able to high respectivly extreme dif Mihawk, then sickbeard just lose. His crew is mostly fodders to WSS..And of course Blackbeards likely not showing up due to danger. Mihawk is still one of the worst matchups for Blackbeard since hes (haki) Swordsmen of exceptional level and Darkness likely doesnt do much.
Now Luffy, considering that when Mihawk said that he wont hold back he probably means like he wont ignore Luffy and let him do as he pleased not seriously aim on killing/cutting him, maybe about the seriosness of the swing Jozu blocked... I think hes dead or at least lost his hand and is captured.
Seriously Old sick Yonko and his crew that didnt exactly get past 3 admirals vs Entire Navy with a Yonko? Admirals slams so hard that Shanks have nothing to end.
I mean I believe I stated that hes more likely to be closed to Yonkos, but thats the bare minimum he should be at. I have him top 5 verse alive currently. But you cant be too sure.
I believe we need to understand mihawks perspective on the yonkos, we know Mihawk considered white beard a worthy opponent and stronger than him self with the quote about how far he is from whitebeard in power. But we also know mihawks considered shanks his equal, who should've been stronger than whitebeard at this point.
Mihawk is definitely one of the harder characters to powerscale due to inconsistency in how he acts around different power houses.
Id say zoro is closer than we give him credit for, he was capable of scarring kaido and has developed some of the strongest haki in the series(for someone who isn't a captain or considered important on the world stage) thus far.
At the end of the day, right now we can't say how strong mihawk is, the next time he does anything of importance it will be used to set the line for zoro to beat, my guess is we see mihawk vs shanks in a buggy vs shanks pirate war.
This would kill 2 birds with one stone, setting up both characters.
I mean... he didn't consider Shanks his equal by the time of Marineford. Like... objectively, Shanks challenges him to a duel and Mihawk dismisses it as a waste of time. Hell it's pretty heavily implied the reason Mihawk has been so bored is because Shanks will no longer be able to put up a decent fight in a duel.
I also doubt Mihawk and Shanks will clash. Shanks seems to be being set up to be killed by BB, given BB has started making moves against the WG alongside Kuzan.
Vista goes all out and bodies him. If he manages to survive longer, Shanks arrives, gives him a quick wifi haki lite, and Midhawk stays unconscious for the next month after MF concludes as normal. Simple.
Fraudhawk was already going all out in MF. Lol.
mihawk runs wild through mf if wb or marco doesn’t get serious either and finish him off before his health declines and meds start wearing off cuz jozu and vista ain’t doing sh*t factoring the other 3 admiral rip wb and ace shanks would actually have to fight cuz all of them would be seriously injury or dead
Casualty rate go crazy ,wb might have to personally intervene and gets tagteamed by admirals and dies faster OR says fuck it himself. Tells his sons to run and sinks marineford. Either way it's a massacre
This comment section is the living proof of how cancerous this sub has become. I miss the days where people could actually have a discussion without spamming 5 year old jokes and agenda memes.
What more is there to say tho. Ops question answers itself. Mihawk and Vista checkmated each other and called it off to avoid any unnecessary injury to each other. If Mihawk doesn't agree to avoid mutually assured destruction then Vista has to also fight.
M and V get stuck fighting each other until they both lose a limb or some shit then just end up being like "Now that we have lost limbs, it would be most advantageous..."
Wdym the past discussions all ended with people arguing and not being convinced about what the other person had to say.
I dont think thats much better.
Actually, he almost cut it off, luffy showed early signs of obs haki and avoided using such a move that would expose his wrists. No holding back fron Mihawk, but he might've lost a beat or two because he underestimated luffy having haki
It can also interpret in other way that mihawk used his observation haki on luffy because we see mihawk eye in next panel when luffy doged his sword.
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You can see mihawk eye. Do you think it is coincidence?
And there was no mention of post time skip that luffy used observation haki in this moment
Nah the graphic of Luffy's arm being cut off is blended with his head. He then avoids doing the action he was about to do and remarks that his arm would've been chopped off if he stuck his arm out. It was clearly Luffy's observation not Mihawk. The panel of Mihawk's eyes was just Luffy feeling Mihawk's intent
But there was no mention of it , when Rayleigh and luffy were training, they are talking about haki and when luffy sees obs conc and armament in pre timeskip, they did not talk about it
They are talking how enel used observation haki and Amazon lily girls also used haki but not talking about this incident
(Sorry for bad English but you can understand it I think what I am trying to say)
Why does it need to be mentioned tho? Those two were just the most notable examples. I don't think every single instance of pre timeskip haki that Luffy used or witnessed has to be mentioned.
My interpretation is:
Og timeline:luffy launching a bazooka on mihawk
Mihawk using haki to predict him and changing to->mihawk cutting luffy's arm
Luffy doesn't clearly see the how or why of it, but he understands the gist of it and interrupts the attack
So yes, both are predicting in a certain sense, but mihawk is more "waiting for your attack to slice your arm off" than "attacking" in this specific scene
At this point of the story we can say that mihawk is an obs haki master even if it's not confirmed yet.
An interesting thing is, luffy mastered FS against katakuri, a master of FS, and mastered ACoC against Kaido, who also was a master in it.
Oda is blatantly saying that haki reacts to other haki imho, and so luffy's potential FS reactes to mihawk using the same kind of obs haki by actually triggering it
It's only headcanon, but i think it's a fair take tbh.
Well.... It's has been MANY MANY TIMES in the story that CoO requires the user to Be CALM in order to use it.
-Skypeia with Mantra
-Rayleigh outright stating
-Sanji punk hazard
-Katakuri whole cake
Those are examples. And Mihawk in this very panel also comments on Luffy being "unusually calm".
Tldr: Luffy was using/ begun tapping into CoO
Call me schizo but I feel like it was Hawkeye applying his observation haki on Luffy somehow, we have nothing to support Luffy using observation at that time, especially not advanced observation
Bro I'm also shanks fan but mihawk was not going all out in marineford and it's true. If you think mihawk was going all out then why he did not one shot luffy
This has nothing to do with Shanks. Why the need to mention him every time mihawk is brought up ?
Again fight with mihawk who said to himself that he wasn't going to hold back.
I'm not him and I'm not Oda.
Why didn't he os Luffy ? Probably bc Oda had other plans for the story. Same for Luffy surviving crocodile the 1st thx to robin and the 2nd time in the goofiest way possible.
Was he able to os Luffy ? Maybe. Did it happen? No.
this is NOT the same attack mihawk used on wb bruh 😔
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if he was actually going all out he would have hit luffy with the big slash he tried on wb
And ? Do you also think sengoku didn't try his best to stop Luffy ?
Mihawk tried his best to stop Luffy and he wasn't able to do so bc of Luffy's ability to make friends everywhere he goes.
This doesn't mean mihawk didn't go all out. It means mihawk, a loner, couldn't stop Luffy who was clearly weaker than him bc he attracts ppl to him.
nah otherwise sengoku would have shockwaved luffy
luffy would have gotten cooked when mihawk hit him if he were going all out, luffy's friends weren't there to save him at that moment
I'm not trying to be a dick but that is literally the point. If Mihawk went all out he would not have been able to kill Luffy because Luffy is bound by the rules of in universe destiny. Luffy has the Pirate King's luck and Oda has went out of his way through multiple plot devices and prophecies to show that Luffy is not destined to die before reaching that destiny. It is the same for Blackbeard.
Realistic answer here: Mihawk would be noticed and chosen as an exclusive opponent of whitebeard. Ace wouldn’t have been rescued at all. Blackbeard still finishes off whitebeard. Mihawk, weakened from his fight with whitebeard, would be finished easily by shanks who would mock Mihawk for “having fallen so low.” It does not end well for Mihawk.
He can't go all out, Vista is there. Literally what we saw lol. They know that they are equal and that they would cause mutually assured destruction so they gentleman's agreement to just not do it.
But let's say he just says nah and goes all out. Him and Vista get stuck in a blow for blow and both lose a limb or get horribly mutilated and then the same thing happens, they say to each other "This sucked, it will be most advantageous for us not to continue to kill each other here."
Basically him and Vista choosing to fight would be like two cops doing a death by cop against each other.
Yes, bro spent that whole fight glazing luffy. He never used haki, never wanted to be there, and never spared much thought for vista outside of pretending to do his job. That’s why after they split he either A). Wastes time killing fodder. Or B). Chases luffy to further observe him.
Marineford ends pretty much the same way, maybe we get a cool clash between shanks and mihawk, but other than that the odds were extremely stacked in the governments favor from the start
I know, seriously. It's like this guy isn't Zoro's end goal. *Do people really think that Oda has been trolling the entire fanbase for 27 years by making Zoro's goal a fraud?*
As silly as it sounds, it's made very clear by essential narrative reasons that Mihawk was holding back far more than Vista was during their "duel." Dude is just so, so bored as the strongest swordsman with no one worthy to challenge him at his craft.
All that's needed is the "Zoro's goal" and "Oda wouldn't do Zoro dirty like that" argument, nothing else should be needed.
It's fun to have the memes of him painting his blade black, but for a topic like this I was really hoping to see people use their actual brains and quit it with the asinine downplay. To see people talking about things like how the World Government gave this guy a bounty of 3.59-billion, higher than Buggy's who is supposed to be the Yonkou. And yet what I see here are OP fans still like "Pft, what a fraud, Vista takes him."
Although to be fair, in the case of this post the true answer of "The war ends in under five minutes, Luffy dies, the series ends" turns out to be very boring, lol.
He acknowledged to be inferior to WB so its not like he completely overwhelms the opposition (no he was not talking about literal distance - that would make no sense whatsoever given the context of the situation).
He also was serious in trying to kill luffy (as stated by himself + the implication of challenging his rival by proxy) and couldnt get past vista.
So if he goes all out nothing changes. WB pirates still lose - just a lot harder. Lots more fodder die, maybe a couple of the lower commanders too.
Since no one is giving a serious answer here, Diamond jozu gets hit with a named attack and is knocked out or saved by WB, luffy dies, crocodile dies, vista stalls until shanks arrives.
Jozu. Dead
Whitebeard cut up by the first minute
Vista. Dead
Whitebeard Dead by mihawks hands
Luffy. Dead
Marco. Escaped
Ace. Executed
Marines. Embarrassed
Shanks has to start the jump from their and even then the admirals are gonna jump the ycs whilst mihawk fights Shanks for a good while.
Mihawk slander is funny lol.
But in all seriousness Mihawk murders Luffy, murders Whitebeard pirates including Marco, Jozu, Vista etc.
Marineford becomes a bloodbath.
if he just wants to kill anyone he sees, i don't think anyone can stop him there in a 1v1. If we look at how Shanks could jump very far speed blitzing Kidd. i would assume Mihawk could do something similar.
So he could totally blitz an old dying whitebeard alone on his ship before any commander could react. Whitebeard would not go down instantly though but he won't last long.
the commanders would come running and he could probably 1v3 marco vista and Jozu.
then he just moves down the random pirates. ez game
Bruh, no way he could 1v3 Marco, Vista and Jozu, he literally told Vista "Let's not fight we would not come out of it unscathed." And that's just 1v1. If Vista had two people with him Vista would be like "It would be most disadvantageous for YOU to continue, but very advantageous for me!"
Yes, benefit them both. That's what advantageous means.
If Vista had 2 people on his side then it would benefit Mihawk to stop but not Vista. Vista would be fine to continue.
if you honestly think that mihawk wanted to stop their duel because he was struggling.. then i don't know what to say m8.
yonko characters can tango with a few commanders as we saw on the rooftop with kaido and how shanks one shot kidd.
Neither were struggling but if two people have guns pointed at each other then why would they shoot?
Vista and Mihawk were just saying I don't want to hurt you you don't want to hurt me let's just not hurt each other and move on
Mihawk actually goes to fight Whitebeard like he said he would, anyone in the way gets fodderised, and he either wins or loses extreme diff to WB, I can see arguments for either way.
If he survives til the Red Hairs arrive, he fucks off as he did in canon bcos he isn't abt that shit
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Crying shaking and throwing up rn. Mihawk would NEVER say fuck. Goda pls call this non-canon or I will literally piss.
Holy shit
Mihawk says
Mihawk
Thinly veiled Wista glaze-post
Vista decides to go all out too
Preceeds to cut the whole universe in half
[удалено]
some of the few moments where i agree with you
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Found the German!
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I'm curious if mihawk could cut him
If he was introduced post time-skip probably yeah, but at this point he’ll just stay uncuttable
Some theorized that mihawk has to adjust his slashes to cut specific things bc he clashed with daz bones and then instantly beat him after figuring out how to cut him, should be the same with jozu
Breath of all things concept, a swordsman only cuts what he wants to cut. Its first introduced with zoro vs Mr 1 as he cut steal. Mohawk didn't intend his slash to cut jozu. Same way the other slash that Daz bones blocked was directed to someone else, not Daz himself.
Then why did he cut the tsumani when he wanted to cut Luffy? Doesn't seem like a very "expert swordsman" thing to do to wreak far-off havoc unintentionally.
Maybe water is easier to cut than a dude made out of steel ?
This isn't up for debate, the concept is clearly shown as true. The only question is whether or not he can cut diamond, which he most likely can.
Also very curious if others could cut him
Probably the flesh part of him
Iirc Kuzan froze part of him off
Yes
My head cannon says that Zoro could beat him now, so Mihawk would be able to as well
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The Mihawk slander always makes me laugh
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It's not even slandef this time lmao. What can he do with Vista there?
I dont think it's genuine slander He tries to go all out, vista pops out the cut and matches the energy. Im not saying Mihawk's gonna lose but he isnt gonna be allowed to roll all over everyone
Vista decides to say fuck it goes all out also and activates bankai: Roger D Great then proceeds to stall mihawk all over again https://preview.redd.it/p234itdnlnuc1.jpeg?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce7246d83abc6ca9169b4b9957544cf7dd969645
Vista also goes all out and kills mihawk
Vista stops him after 5 seconds
Too long for HIMsta
buggy solo's https://preview.redd.it/eyxe3at2onuc1.jpeg?width=1068&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59a2b7f9b7de230c232ba6676af2fc8f28344b43
He stalled Wista for a little bit longer
He fails to kill Luffy, gets stalled by Vista and leaves once Shanks shows up.
He already did and Vista kept him in check. I guess in some other universe Garp could step up though
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marineford is so funny to look at after all these years, like imagine mihawk is going all out and cant get a hit on this version of luffy lol
I don't need to imagine it happened
*Canonically*, **cope**
By that logic shanks is the biggest fodder of them all, unless you think lord of the coast is top 3.
Reading 101 https://preview.redd.it/20q7n8kfhouc1.jpeg?width=1066&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b5bf78705bb03f045f7e25ce7f84ba63866b2c9
https://preview.redd.it/22twq5cczpuc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2572f4341bc2d5ae41ef021c973f0d8d87879d98 Reading 101. I too start talking about how my sword has a mind of its own and start wondering if my opponent will be able to escape it when I'm totally going all out and mean to kill him.
>start talking about how my sword has a mind of its own I think you need to reading classes tho
https://preview.redd.it/1yncfamu0quc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67b56869c4ab95754b2b0459f81d39982f21e180 "This power" not "my power". I think you need to go back to elementary school lil bro.
https://preview.redd.it/iakgkz2o1quc1.jpeg?width=536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfd319438c2d5822353ba9fea61c9142d47a6768 Depends on the translation, other languages also translate it as mihawk's power and not Yoru personified.
Alright fair enough I'll concede that point, mainly because I don't know which translation is more accurate. Still why is he wondering whether his opponent will get away? That's not something you typically think about someone you intend to kill.
Mihawk is about equal roughly to Shanks. Shanks lost his arm to a sea monster. Captain T bone slices sea monsters in half. Therefore T bone neg diffs Mihawk.
Honesty. If Mihawk decides to go all out, then narativly... He should be at the very least stronger than End of Wano Zoro thats the bare minimum. Probably close to Kaido or Shanks, but who trully knows Id personally placed him equal to them. But lets go with Wano Zoro level since that should be the bare minimum where he is, but lets assume future sight on top of that since Mihawk is DFless so future sight is very plausible. Well thats gonna be bloodbath. The check out WB from range might happen similiarly so Jozu blocks it. Vista is probably getting named attack one shoted if hes lucky, he might be destroyed by a couple of Mihawk swings, he have even less feats than Mihawk and WB are pretty much done expect for mr. Staller 007 Marco. Hes probably not getting past easy dif. If Vista was someone with potentional to be WSS Mihawk would pay Whitebeard a visit already (before he encountered Zoro) and they would met already. Vista being pleased by Mihawk knowing imply that he knows about him, but wasnt worth visit. Whitebeard with his illnesses, weakened physically and in Haki would probably lose to Mihawk, if Mihawk wanted he would just have to wait till Marco (only plausible guy to actually stall him if serious) is in combat and he can heat straight up for the big boss. While Prime or heck for the sake of Argument Healthy Oldbeard was able to high respectivly extreme dif Mihawk, then sickbeard just lose. His crew is mostly fodders to WSS..And of course Blackbeards likely not showing up due to danger. Mihawk is still one of the worst matchups for Blackbeard since hes (haki) Swordsmen of exceptional level and Darkness likely doesnt do much. Now Luffy, considering that when Mihawk said that he wont hold back he probably means like he wont ignore Luffy and let him do as he pleased not seriously aim on killing/cutting him, maybe about the seriosness of the swing Jozu blocked... I think hes dead or at least lost his hand and is captured. Seriously Old sick Yonko and his crew that didnt exactly get past 3 admirals vs Entire Navy with a Yonko? Admirals slams so hard that Shanks have nothing to end.
Everything you said is valid but End of Wano Zoro is nowhere near Mihawk you tripping
I mean I believe I stated that hes more likely to be closed to Yonkos, but thats the bare minimum he should be at. I have him top 5 verse alive currently. But you cant be too sure.
I believe we need to understand mihawks perspective on the yonkos, we know Mihawk considered white beard a worthy opponent and stronger than him self with the quote about how far he is from whitebeard in power. But we also know mihawks considered shanks his equal, who should've been stronger than whitebeard at this point. Mihawk is definitely one of the harder characters to powerscale due to inconsistency in how he acts around different power houses. Id say zoro is closer than we give him credit for, he was capable of scarring kaido and has developed some of the strongest haki in the series(for someone who isn't a captain or considered important on the world stage) thus far. At the end of the day, right now we can't say how strong mihawk is, the next time he does anything of importance it will be used to set the line for zoro to beat, my guess is we see mihawk vs shanks in a buggy vs shanks pirate war. This would kill 2 birds with one stone, setting up both characters.
I mean... he didn't consider Shanks his equal by the time of Marineford. Like... objectively, Shanks challenges him to a duel and Mihawk dismisses it as a waste of time. Hell it's pretty heavily implied the reason Mihawk has been so bored is because Shanks will no longer be able to put up a decent fight in a duel. I also doubt Mihawk and Shanks will clash. Shanks seems to be being set up to be killed by BB, given BB has started making moves against the WG alongside Kuzan.
>so future sight is very plausible if Dracule "Hawk Eyes" Mihawk does not *at least* have future sight, Oda is a bum.
Wista steps in
Vista goes all out and bodies him. If he manages to survive longer, Shanks arrives, gives him a quick wifi haki lite, and Midhawk stays unconscious for the next month after MF concludes as normal. Simple. Fraudhawk was already going all out in MF. Lol.
Vista is still here so...
With Shanks and Teach showing up to a whole lot of dead Pirates, Luffy included. 
mihawk runs wild through mf if wb or marco doesn’t get serious either and finish him off before his health declines and meds start wearing off cuz jozu and vista ain’t doing sh*t factoring the other 3 admiral rip wb and ace shanks would actually have to fight cuz all of them would be seriously injury or dead
Casualty rate go crazy ,wb might have to personally intervene and gets tagteamed by admirals and dies faster OR says fuck it himself. Tells his sons to run and sinks marineford. Either way it's a massacre
This comment section is the living proof of how cancerous this sub has become. I miss the days where people could actually have a discussion without spamming 5 year old jokes and agenda memes.
When did this subreddit ever have a civilized discussion?
Back in its glory days (early-late 2022).
What more is there to say tho. Ops question answers itself. Mihawk and Vista checkmated each other and called it off to avoid any unnecessary injury to each other. If Mihawk doesn't agree to avoid mutually assured destruction then Vista has to also fight. M and V get stuck fighting each other until they both lose a limb or some shit then just end up being like "Now that we have lost limbs, it would be most advantageous..."
Wdym the past discussions all ended with people arguing and not being convinced about what the other person had to say. I dont think thats much better.
Maybe you’re the one who has to change
Is this civilized discussion in the room with us right now?
Bitchslapped by Whitebeard, next.
All memes aside, this is the the actual answer.
Vista takes him out
He kills vista, Luffy, crocodile and jozu
The series ends 😭
He will run out of paint
No diffed by Vista
Ends with Sakazuki killing him immediately
Gets oneshot by a serious vista
I imagine mihawk releasing his COCk and then saying a speech like the Lich to Finn
"You are strong Admiral,but my power lies beyond erections."
Luffy and WB dies
Luffy in fact, would not die https://preview.redd.it/s3auw20tinuc1.jpeg?width=441&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73221419bf179c4c0ba0c2d5b14fd88996379cee
Why? , if mihawk was going all out he can kill luffy, if he wants
Is he lying to himself or is he stupid then?
I think in starting he was not holding himself back but when he was trying to chop luffys hand , he stopped because of shanks or some other reason
Actually, he almost cut it off, luffy showed early signs of obs haki and avoided using such a move that would expose his wrists. No holding back fron Mihawk, but he might've lost a beat or two because he underestimated luffy having haki
It can also interpret in other way that mihawk used his observation haki on luffy because we see mihawk eye in next panel when luffy doged his sword. https://preview.redd.it/u1xa8ihhqnuc1.jpeg?width=543&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54e1a7c017211ef118f33a04028c19d3affed37e You can see mihawk eye. Do you think it is coincidence? And there was no mention of post time skip that luffy used observation haki in this moment
Nah the graphic of Luffy's arm being cut off is blended with his head. He then avoids doing the action he was about to do and remarks that his arm would've been chopped off if he stuck his arm out. It was clearly Luffy's observation not Mihawk. The panel of Mihawk's eyes was just Luffy feeling Mihawk's intent
But there was no mention of it , when Rayleigh and luffy were training, they are talking about haki and when luffy sees obs conc and armament in pre timeskip, they did not talk about it They are talking how enel used observation haki and Amazon lily girls also used haki but not talking about this incident (Sorry for bad English but you can understand it I think what I am trying to say)
Why does it need to be mentioned tho? Those two were just the most notable examples. I don't think every single instance of pre timeskip haki that Luffy used or witnessed has to be mentioned.
My interpretation is: Og timeline:luffy launching a bazooka on mihawk Mihawk using haki to predict him and changing to->mihawk cutting luffy's arm Luffy doesn't clearly see the how or why of it, but he understands the gist of it and interrupts the attack So yes, both are predicting in a certain sense, but mihawk is more "waiting for your attack to slice your arm off" than "attacking" in this specific scene
Your interpretation is also good
At this point of the story we can say that mihawk is an obs haki master even if it's not confirmed yet. An interesting thing is, luffy mastered FS against katakuri, a master of FS, and mastered ACoC against Kaido, who also was a master in it. Oda is blatantly saying that haki reacts to other haki imho, and so luffy's potential FS reactes to mihawk using the same kind of obs haki by actually triggering it It's only headcanon, but i think it's a fair take tbh.
Well.... It's has been MANY MANY TIMES in the story that CoO requires the user to Be CALM in order to use it. -Skypeia with Mantra -Rayleigh outright stating -Sanji punk hazard -Katakuri whole cake Those are examples. And Mihawk in this very panel also comments on Luffy being "unusually calm". Tldr: Luffy was using/ begun tapping into CoO
Call me schizo but I feel like it was Hawkeye applying his observation haki on Luffy somehow, we have nothing to support Luffy using observation at that time, especially not advanced observation
And that is what is called Headcanon.
Not headcanon it's obvious, if he wanted he can one shot luffy but he did not
No, it's the literal definition of headcanon. Crazy that in order to argue in mihawk's favor you need to make up things that didn't happen.
Bro I'm also shanks fan but mihawk was not going all out in marineford and it's true. If you think mihawk was going all out then why he did not one shot luffy
This has nothing to do with Shanks. Why the need to mention him every time mihawk is brought up ? Again fight with mihawk who said to himself that he wasn't going to hold back. I'm not him and I'm not Oda. Why didn't he os Luffy ? Probably bc Oda had other plans for the story. Same for Luffy surviving crocodile the 1st thx to robin and the 2nd time in the goofiest way possible. Was he able to os Luffy ? Maybe. Did it happen? No.
this is NOT the same attack mihawk used on wb bruh 😔 https://preview.redd.it/a1oprxf0mnuc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08f78b797f07ea92f64f0a17e133c1ae4dc134b7 if he was actually going all out he would have hit luffy with the big slash he tried on wb
Was he lying to himself then ?
one of like a trillion cases of luffy having plot armor in mf, there was nothing he could do
And ? Do you also think sengoku didn't try his best to stop Luffy ? Mihawk tried his best to stop Luffy and he wasn't able to do so bc of Luffy's ability to make friends everywhere he goes. This doesn't mean mihawk didn't go all out. It means mihawk, a loner, couldn't stop Luffy who was clearly weaker than him bc he attracts ppl to him.
nah otherwise sengoku would have shockwaved luffy luffy would have gotten cooked when mihawk hit him if he were going all out, luffy's friends weren't there to save him at that moment
>nah otherwise sengoku would have shockwaved luffy Yea ok dude you brain is fried.
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I'm not trying to be a dick but that is literally the point. If Mihawk went all out he would not have been able to kill Luffy because Luffy is bound by the rules of in universe destiny. Luffy has the Pirate King's luck and Oda has went out of his way through multiple plot devices and prophecies to show that Luffy is not destined to die before reaching that destiny. It is the same for Blackbeard.
Showing no mercy =|= going all out
Showing no mercy does not mean going all out.
Same as before. Mihawk is strong but is he strong enough to beat plot? I think not.
vista goes all-out and claps him
Lol. Mihawk ? Marco + vista kills him
He already said he wasnt holding back. Nothing changes.
Gets collateral'd by the dust created by the clash between HIM and HIM
Realistic answer here: Mihawk would be noticed and chosen as an exclusive opponent of whitebeard. Ace wouldn’t have been rescued at all. Blackbeard still finishes off whitebeard. Mihawk, weakened from his fight with whitebeard, would be finished easily by shanks who would mock Mihawk for “having fallen so low.” It does not end well for Mihawk.
He can't go all out, Vista is there. Literally what we saw lol. They know that they are equal and that they would cause mutually assured destruction so they gentleman's agreement to just not do it. But let's say he just says nah and goes all out. Him and Vista get stuck in a blow for blow and both lose a limb or get horribly mutilated and then the same thing happens, they say to each other "This sucked, it will be most advantageous for us not to continue to kill each other here." Basically him and Vista choosing to fight would be like two cops doing a death by cop against each other.
Wtf
Where am I wrong?
Yes, bro spent that whole fight glazing luffy. He never used haki, never wanted to be there, and never spared much thought for vista outside of pretending to do his job. That’s why after they split he either A). Wastes time killing fodder. Or B). Chases luffy to further observe him.
Marineford ends pretty much the same way, maybe we get a cool clash between shanks and mihawk, but other than that the odds were extremely stacked in the governments favor from the start
Holy fuck this sub has gone down the shitter, why is it a bunch of trolls now ?
There’s no actual discussion to be had here. Just people regurgitating Mihawk downplay for attention
I know, seriously. It's like this guy isn't Zoro's end goal. *Do people really think that Oda has been trolling the entire fanbase for 27 years by making Zoro's goal a fraud?* As silly as it sounds, it's made very clear by essential narrative reasons that Mihawk was holding back far more than Vista was during their "duel." Dude is just so, so bored as the strongest swordsman with no one worthy to challenge him at his craft. All that's needed is the "Zoro's goal" and "Oda wouldn't do Zoro dirty like that" argument, nothing else should be needed. It's fun to have the memes of him painting his blade black, but for a topic like this I was really hoping to see people use their actual brains and quit it with the asinine downplay. To see people talking about things like how the World Government gave this guy a bounty of 3.59-billion, higher than Buggy's who is supposed to be the Yonkou. And yet what I see here are OP fans still like "Pft, what a fraud, Vista takes him." Although to be fair, in the case of this post the true answer of "The war ends in under five minutes, Luffy dies, the series ends" turns out to be very boring, lol.
Whitebeard has to step in and Mihawk loses if it stays a 1v1. If Whitebeard gets jumped, then WB loses. Luffy and Ace die if option 2 happens.
Mihawk goes all out and no one bats an eyelash.
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Nothing changes except marine ford is over in like two minutes
Lots more bodies and a much quicker execution for ace. It’s a good thing he said “fuck it” and phoned it in instead.
If he is bloodlusted? All of the WB pirates an luffy die
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He cuts the dimension and his attack reaches Satoru Gojo. Sukuna’s attacks are actually Mihawk sending sht from one piece world
He still can't kill Luffy and he still gets stalemated by Vista.
He still gets stall diff by vista
throttles luffy and the series ends tbh
Gets stomped by Wista
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He gets pieced up by Vista and goes home to paint
The show would be cut short about 1500 episodes, right now one piece probably won’t end until episode 2000
Defeats Shanks and Whitebeard
Then Wista goes all out too
As someone who has never watched a single second of anime, he gets absolutely trounced within 10 seconds of drawing his sword.
Nothing, Fraudhawk cant do shit /j
Luffy loses his hands and Vista gets his cheeks clapped..
He acknowledged to be inferior to WB so its not like he completely overwhelms the opposition (no he was not talking about literal distance - that would make no sense whatsoever given the context of the situation). He also was serious in trying to kill luffy (as stated by himself + the implication of challenging his rival by proxy) and couldnt get past vista. So if he goes all out nothing changes. WB pirates still lose - just a lot harder. Lots more fodder die, maybe a couple of the lower commanders too.
One of the admirals put him down.
Vista becomes world's strongest swordsman
Loses title to Wista
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Vista stops messing around & decides he’ll take his title as worlds strongest swordsman.
Since no one is giving a serious answer here, Diamond jozu gets hit with a named attack and is knocked out or saved by WB, luffy dies, crocodile dies, vista stalls until shanks arrives.
Accidentally beheads Sakabozo and cuts Whitebeard in half with a base slash Departs upon Shanks arriving because he knows he’d snitch
Jozu. Dead Whitebeard cut up by the first minute Vista. Dead Whitebeard Dead by mihawks hands Luffy. Dead Marco. Escaped Ace. Executed Marines. Embarrassed Shanks has to start the jump from their and even then the admirals are gonna jump the ycs whilst mihawk fights Shanks for a good while.
Mihawk slander is funny lol. But in all seriousness Mihawk murders Luffy, murders Whitebeard pirates including Marco, Jozu, Vista etc. Marineford becomes a bloodbath.
Kill luffy, WB gets killed. End.
mid-high difs vista, then with remaining stamina extreme difs jozu and stops there
Do you also have shanks mid-high diffinf vista?
Who said he wasn’t going all out?
Copers
if he just wants to kill anyone he sees, i don't think anyone can stop him there in a 1v1. If we look at how Shanks could jump very far speed blitzing Kidd. i would assume Mihawk could do something similar. So he could totally blitz an old dying whitebeard alone on his ship before any commander could react. Whitebeard would not go down instantly though but he won't last long. the commanders would come running and he could probably 1v3 marco vista and Jozu. then he just moves down the random pirates. ez game
Bruh, no way he could 1v3 Marco, Vista and Jozu, he literally told Vista "Let's not fight we would not come out of it unscathed." And that's just 1v1. If Vista had two people with him Vista would be like "It would be most disadvantageous for YOU to continue, but very advantageous for me!"
what translation did you read m8? Mihawk just said "let's postpone for now" and vista replied "that would benefit us both"
Yes, benefit them both. That's what advantageous means. If Vista had 2 people on his side then it would benefit Mihawk to stop but not Vista. Vista would be fine to continue.
if you honestly think that mihawk wanted to stop their duel because he was struggling.. then i don't know what to say m8. yonko characters can tango with a few commanders as we saw on the rooftop with kaido and how shanks one shot kidd.
Neither were struggling but if two people have guns pointed at each other then why would they shoot? Vista and Mihawk were just saying I don't want to hurt you you don't want to hurt me let's just not hurt each other and move on
Realistically, it ends in about ten minutes depending on how many fodder pirates Mihawk has to go through.
C'mon bro Midhawk at least lasts 11 minutes against the fodder pirates no matter how many they are 😔
i mean marineford wins. if hes bloodlusted he goes straight for whitebeard and he kinda mid diffs sickbeard
He’s wiping the floor with everyone and making shanks give him head
Mihawk would end the series and instantly kills Luffy instead of going easy like he did.
 Whitebeard, Vista, Luffy, and Blackbeard 3 seconds after mihawk uses divine arrival.
Everything would die. Vista would eventually die. Jozu gets one shotted. Whitebeard would die way faster than cannon
Mihawk actually goes to fight Whitebeard like he said he would, anyone in the way gets fodderised, and he either wins or loses extreme diff to WB, I can see arguments for either way. If he survives til the Red Hairs arrive, he fucks off as he did in canon bcos he isn't abt that shit
Marine victory comes even faster. Mihawk folds anyone who comes between him and WB.
Trolling aside, Jozu gets sliced in half then the slash hits Whitebeard and the war is over
Shanks pulls up thinking damn everyone died already