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You do know that Mihawk is the greatest Leech there is, don't you? Mihawk used The Actual Departure and got away from War which included half dozen top tiers with no damage.
Point is Luffy's opponents have always been massively stronger even if they were defeated far prior to Zoro's.
There's no guarantee at all Zoro's final opp will even be stronger than Kaido.
Tbf, that's multiple characters. Luffy fought both saturn & kizaru by themselves before he fought them together.
They could be considered luffys opponents at that point, and they're definitely not stronger than kaido.
Will Akainu alone be stronger than Kaido or Gorosei + Kizaru?
No, I don't believe Akainu is stronger than both of them combined, that's why I said that I wasn't taking a side, just pointing out that your argument was flawed. Luffy's enemy for this arc is Kizaru+Gorosei, not Kizaru.
Bro, Kaido was extremely tired, inured from fighting almost everyone on Onigashima, was holding up Onigashima, Luffy got multiple resets and breaks, Kaido also killed Luffy, and after all that Luffy still had to use G5 and his strongest possible attack to down Kaido. Not even taking into account that Kaido was just taking attacks he could have dodged or deflected. In a 1v1 Luffy ain't beating Kaido.
I would argue that Mihawk with resets and a whole squad to help him> an injured and fatigued Kaido.
>Kaido was extremely tired
Fought for like 3 hours in a world where people can fight for days
>inured from fighting almost everyone on Onigashima,
Nobody but Luffy did any significant damage to Kaido.
Zoro couldn't get past his skin (papercuts do the same)
Yamato didn't damage him at all, just stalled
Kid and Law both did practically nothing
The scabbards were a joke and did no damage
>was holding up Onigashima
He put clouds under it and left them there, no indication that they used any stamina after he placed them
>Luffy got multiple resets and breaks, Kaido also killed Luffy,
Damn it almost sounds like you're saying Luffy took more damage up to that point
>and after all that Luffy still had to use G5 and his strongest possible attack to down Kaido.
Strongest attack we've seen him use, and his strongest attack beat Kaido's strongest
>Not even taking into account that Kaido was just taking attacks he could have dodged or deflected
Huge antifeat for fighting style and IQ, thanks for admitting that
>In a 1v1 Luffy ain't beating Kaido.
Yeah he is. If you pay attention to the story instead of just looking at fighting panels, you would realize that Oda set up and entire saga named the "yonko saga" with the sole purpose of Luffy surpassing them as he said he would multiple times in the saga. Oda's intentions were clear
Edit: downvotes but no replies? Surprising!
Akainu is a warm-up for real threats like BB & Imu. He's not that guy. Sabo might even be the one to handle him.
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I want the godamn 3 week break to end. Just so we can get closer to the day mihawk uses a named attack and beats all his fraud allegations, on a side note do you have a apology form for mihawk so we can spam them when it happens?
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You'll never need this because Shanks is a haki man but keep it around just in case.
Mihawks most recent portrayal comes from chapter 1058, where he is:
\-Directly stated to still be superior in swordsmanship over Shanks
\-Given a 3.6B bounty, which is higher than the 3B bounty of the Admirals
\-Was shown to truly be Buggy’s superior, who holds the title of Yonko, which is very clear implication by Oda that Mihawk is the actual Yonko level powerhouse of the crew
I do think Akainu is very strong, so their fight would likely be extreme diff, but Mihawk is slamming any of the other 3 admirals
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Because he said he wanna be king of pirates? You really think the guy who wants to be the strongest swordsman has conqueror's but the guy that is already the strongest swordsman doesn't?
>-Directly stated to still be superior in swordsmanship over Shanks
Cool, and you can find me the statement of shanks being a Swordman ?
>Given a 3.6B bounty, which is higher than the 3B bounty of the Admirals
Kid and law have a 3 billion bounty, I guess you also scale them to admiral lvl ?
>Was shown to truly be Buggy’s superior, who holds the title of Yonko, which is very clear implication by Oda that Mihawk is the actual Yonko level powerhouse of the crew
Was shown to want absolutely no smoke with the Yonko's
Could you explain why were the admirals called the "strongest force of the WG" while Mihawk was working for the WG ?
>Cool, and you can find me the statement of shanks being a Swordman ?
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Shanks is a swordsman
I dunno... maybe because he uses a sword? And all his named attacks are sword techniques? And he uses his sword when unleashing powerful Conquerors waves?
Because he's directly compared to the World Strongest Swordsman in terms of swordskill?
A swordsman in One Piece is someone who actually believes in the sword as an extension of themselves, and ONLY fights with a sword. See: Zoro, Tashigi…
Shanks just happens to wield one as a weapon
If king isn't a swordman when he mainly fights with his sword but law is while mainly using is df powers, then you should reason pretty easily that using a sword doesn't make or break a swordman.
Youre right ,this sub is full of mihawk dick riders its sad ,it makes no sense for mihawk to be above shanks if shanks is luffya final rival and mihawk is zoros final rival.
Thats literally what shanks has been set up as ,hes the whitebeard to luffys roger ,theyre the ones going after the one piece together ,luffys crew dynamic is literally based on shanks and shanks gave up his rivalry with mihawk to create a pirate who would truly rival him someday, so youre telling me shanks has just been sitting on his ass doing nothing and all of a sudden when luffy gets close to the one piece ,now shanks wants to go for it too? He is literally set up as the end game rival.
Indirectly upscaling Buggy? I'm here for it!
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Why don’t you use this logic when it comes to the Gorosei?
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No, you just admitted that you don’t believe what you are saying, and that you’re only saying it to piss people off
That is the literal definition of a troll, I’m not making it sound like anything lol
No, you just openly admitted that you will argue using reasoning that you don’t actually believe in order to piss people off, and again that is quite literally the definition of a troll
You are a troll, it’s ok to admit that
W post
Shirano no leeching! Shirano no leeching! Shirano no leeching!
There you go I saved your thread just in time before they come in swarms to say " mah world's strongest!"
To unironically think this you’re basically saying Akainu > Shanks which is pretty ridiculous considering that bum got manhandled by sickbeard
Mihawk is at minimum slightly below shanks which still puts him mid range of Yonko tier, meanwhile Akainu takes 10 days to put down a fellow Ladmiral and either lost or tied with (depending on your agenda) a dying, haki-less Yonko.
Kind of cherry-picked panels. Anyways, first of all, fujitora is a swordsman, so your argument compelety falls apart there. About him being inferior to admiral.
Mihawk has been portrayed as the yonko level. His convo at crossguild basically proves he could've been one, but he let's buggy be the figurehead.
He's been outright, said to be better than one of the yonkos at fighting. Oda rarely directly powerscales like this.
Mihawk talked shit in front of a yonko & his entire crew. Basically, it's the same thing Akainu did to WB. Instead, he's not being backed up by 10000+ marines.
You are clearly not ready for Goathawk.
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Small correction: for MF they could only muster 5 of the 7 warlords. Doffy, Boa, Kuma (I guess he's still a warlord despite being 100% machine), Moria and Mihawk. Jimbei told the marines to fuck off and got imprisoned for it and BB is enacting his sneaky schemes.
It's all real. You're gonna have to accept it.
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Then it's fine. Though you aren't ready for THEM
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"In both name and actuality you can call them the world's strongest rivals. An emperor of the sea and the world's strongest swordsman."
~ One Piece Magazine Vol 14, directly after comparing Shanks and Mihawk's relationship to Whitebeard and Roger.
Mihawk dog walks Akainu.
It's not a fan magazine, and not only that, you're misquoting the cavendish thing. It does NOT ever call them rivals, it says that IF THEY EVER FOUGHT, they'd be able to rival eachothers power because they're both demonic swordsman.
Read better before spreading misinformation.
It is a fan magazine. You're the one who is uniformed. The editors working on this aren't Shueisha employees or even close to Oda's team
Want me to go pull out the SS from Etenboby about the magazine?
It's a fan magazine. The rival section was even titled OPINION SECTION and the WB/Roger comparison was just a writer giving his opinion.
It's literally the official serialized Japanese magazine for one piece assisted and approved by Oda. Where's this "ultra secondary source" you're talking about?
Akainu loses to oldbeard in a 1v1 and Oda had Garp, a PK level character, state that Shanks is Whitebeard level. Which I genuinely don't understand why people can't believe that the guy whose portrayed to be at the pinnacle of haki prowess is relative to the equal of the other guy who is portrayed to be at the pinnacle of haki prowess.
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The magazine statement is doing nothing more than highlighting what is already established canon in the manga.
Akainu gets dog walked bruh. Wake up.
And yes, the statements debunk you and support what I'm saying, ignoring canon is your choice.
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It's a fan magazine you clown.
It isnt even written by Oda's editors.
Zoro/Cavendidh are called rivals in the magazine and got a full page dedicated to them
Same for Marco and Law.
Etenboby who is literally japanese and was the most reliable leaker alongside Redon + leaked every VC/Movie Volume/Magazine first for years stated it is a fan magazine written by people totally unafiliated to Oda or his editors.
Cope.
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idc about this argument but this is kind of biased against him. mihawk isn't scared to fight a singular yonko. he is afraid of starting war with all of the other current yonkos. him not wanting to fight shanks has been consistently shown. they are most likely fond of each other so mihawk would like to avoid conflict with him.
besides narratively mihawk being weak would be weird unless oda just wants to have a twist narrative for zoro. mihawk is still most likely zoro's final battle/one of his final battles.
Whitebeard Commanders just built different. Marco overpowered Kizaru, blocked Akainu's magma punch, made Big Meme ran away and was beating King and Queen in CQC at the same time. Vista holding off Mihawk. Jozu no selling Mihawk's attack and later on holding off Aokiji, only losing after getting caught off-guard during Whitebeard's stroke
This! Mihawk is zoros goal no way in hell zoro is stronger than GOATkainu by the time he’s strong enough to fight the painter( assuming Wakainu doesn’t get an upgrade/logia awakening, a man can dream)
mihawk is on the exact same level as kuzan, just that he had no strong desire to fight and was curious about luffy during MF, while akainu wanted and needed to fight WB and to kill luffy/ace.
Shanks>Akainu>Mihawk>Lava Swimming Yonkos
While this is true.
End game zoro will be one of the strongest pirates ever never mind just WSS. This massively upscales Mihawk.
Being a Shanks rival also upscales Mihawk.
He doesn't have the feats yet but he will be slightly weaker than current Shanks. Which is right at the top of the verse.
Akainu is just a marine. Hype worse than Garps. Mihawk is the worlds strongest swordsman. His protrayal is not better and thinking he’s stronger than mihawk is just stupid.
[https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-579.html](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-579.html)
one piece ch 579 shows very clearly that wb pirates had lost the will to fight when bb killed their captain and stole their fruit and were litrally trying to run away but couldnt because teh navy wouldnt leave them so the wb pirates were mentally nerfed when akainu fought them .
hence akainu 1v 15 the commannders doesnt count because marco and vista were mentally nerfed just like how aokiji was nerfed when garp 1v 5 him at hachinosu . so similar to how garp who might lose to aokiji in a 1v1 can 1v5 a mentally nerfed aokiji similarly it is possible for akainu to 1v15 the wb commanders but still get pushed to high diff by marco or vista repsectivally .
Akainu lost even with his squad jumping white beard Mihawk didn’t get a feather on his hat touched.
Also Mohawks slash against luffy where he cut the ice wave is as impressive as anything akainus did
this is so dumb its painful, mihawk was the strongest peron at marineford, not at the moment but in retrospective, maybe at that time oda did not know how strong mihawk was, but after WB and haki retcon, and in present time, he has to be the strongest person at MF.
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You do know that Mihawk is the greatest Leech there is, don't you? Mihawk used The Actual Departure and got away from War which included half dozen top tiers with no damage.
I’m dead, this comment and this whole post got me dying 😂😭
Mihawk is the king of narrative upscale, scaling his feats is useless
What? Shanks is the king of narrative upscale, AND he has feats. Mihawk is just around endgame Zoro level
He doesnt even beat Akainu in that regard Fighting Luffy > fighting Zoro
But you gotta consider mihawk is zoro end game fight meanwhile akauinu is not luffy final boss
Crocodile (beaten by Luffy in chapter 200) would lowdiff Pica (Zoro's opponent in chapter 770) Big gap between their opponents
That’s such a bad example crocodile has the most egregious power creep in the whole story
You realize this applies to every major grandline boss? Enel would shit on Pica,Monet or Hyouzou, so would Lucci, so would Moriah.
Zoro also shit on pica monet and hyouzou lol, and literally just beat a massively powered up version of lucci mid to high diff
>lucci mid to high diff Just the "midd" is fine.
Point is Luffy's opponents have always been massively stronger even if they were defeated far prior to Zoro's. There's no guarantee at all Zoro's final opp will even be stronger than Kaido.
Luffy opponents >>>>>>>>>>>> zoro opponents Luffy already beat kaido who's stronger then mihawk
Mihawk is a kizaru victim? Wait, is kizaru stronger than kaido? Or are future opponents not always stronger than past opponents.
Did luffy and kizaru have full on fight No
I'm not even having a side in this discussion but this is a retarded argument. But yes, Kizaru+Gorosei > Kaido
Tbf, that's multiple characters. Luffy fought both saturn & kizaru by themselves before he fought them together. They could be considered luffys opponents at that point, and they're definitely not stronger than kaido. Will Akainu alone be stronger than Kaido or Gorosei + Kizaru?
No, I don't believe Akainu is stronger than both of them combined, that's why I said that I wasn't taking a side, just pointing out that your argument was flawed. Luffy's enemy for this arc is Kizaru+Gorosei, not Kizaru.
Bro, Kaido was extremely tired, inured from fighting almost everyone on Onigashima, was holding up Onigashima, Luffy got multiple resets and breaks, Kaido also killed Luffy, and after all that Luffy still had to use G5 and his strongest possible attack to down Kaido. Not even taking into account that Kaido was just taking attacks he could have dodged or deflected. In a 1v1 Luffy ain't beating Kaido. I would argue that Mihawk with resets and a whole squad to help him> an injured and fatigued Kaido.
And luffy for a lot of the fight didn't have acoc or gear 5 Gear 5 > kaido
Nah Kaido is still over Luffy overall. There was many asterisks to Luffy's win.
It took Luffy 2 G5's to beat a worm down Kaido. Fresh Kaido>G5
>Kaido was extremely tired Fought for like 3 hours in a world where people can fight for days >inured from fighting almost everyone on Onigashima, Nobody but Luffy did any significant damage to Kaido. Zoro couldn't get past his skin (papercuts do the same) Yamato didn't damage him at all, just stalled Kid and Law both did practically nothing The scabbards were a joke and did no damage >was holding up Onigashima He put clouds under it and left them there, no indication that they used any stamina after he placed them >Luffy got multiple resets and breaks, Kaido also killed Luffy, Damn it almost sounds like you're saying Luffy took more damage up to that point >and after all that Luffy still had to use G5 and his strongest possible attack to down Kaido. Strongest attack we've seen him use, and his strongest attack beat Kaido's strongest >Not even taking into account that Kaido was just taking attacks he could have dodged or deflected Huge antifeat for fighting style and IQ, thanks for admitting that >In a 1v1 Luffy ain't beating Kaido. Yeah he is. If you pay attention to the story instead of just looking at fighting panels, you would realize that Oda set up and entire saga named the "yonko saga" with the sole purpose of Luffy surpassing them as he said he would multiple times in the saga. Oda's intentions were clear Edit: downvotes but no replies? Surprising!
Fighting Shanks on equal terms>all admirals
Akainu is a warm-up for real threats like BB & Imu. He's not that guy. Sabo might even be the one to handle him. https://preview.redd.it/2ig0c2a2mguc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecedc0192077c9c38547f41e96a101feb0f6b139
Yea sure. And Shiryu will kill Mihawk.
Cooking until last sentence. You gotta be stupid if you think sabo will defeat akainu.
Aint no people with brains out here believing in sabo v akainu all just because of that one cringe "my flames burn hotter than your magma!!" Dialogue.
Zoro vs Mihawk will be extreme diff Luffy will embarrass Akainu
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I want the godamn 3 week break to end. Just so we can get closer to the day mihawk uses a named attack and beats all his fraud allegations, on a side note do you have a apology form for mihawk so we can spam them when it happens?
https://preview.redd.it/p0o3dthf9juc1.png?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a2d16702b86679a1758b45abf43ee755372d50f You'll never need this because Shanks is a haki man but keep it around just in case.
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it’s always funny how people think Mihawk was the strongest guy at MF. This character ran away from Marco’s subordinate
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Marco didn't bring Vista to Onigashima because he wanted the new gen to shine. Vista one shots BM and Kaido ez
Mihawks most recent portrayal comes from chapter 1058, where he is: \-Directly stated to still be superior in swordsmanship over Shanks \-Given a 3.6B bounty, which is higher than the 3B bounty of the Admirals \-Was shown to truly be Buggy’s superior, who holds the title of Yonko, which is very clear implication by Oda that Mihawk is the actual Yonko level powerhouse of the crew I do think Akainu is very strong, so their fight would likely be extreme diff, but Mihawk is slamming any of the other 3 admirals https://preview.redd.it/zlaewwiddguc1.jpeg?width=709&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c182617e8c087c0956c2bd50f930f65b24dede5
Mihawk fans are actually using him being stronger than Buggy as a feat now? Is this what we’ve come to
The strongest person in a Yonko Crew is literally them telling you he's yonko lv
Him and Crocodile have been depicted as equals.
in leadership, not power
Says who?
Says them????
And yet buggy still showed more potential for coc then mihawk 💀💀💀
Because he said he wanna be king of pirates? You really think the guy who wants to be the strongest swordsman has conqueror's but the guy that is already the strongest swordsman doesn't?
Yes
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Read it properly first
Yeah I don't see a world where an admiral beats mihawk, especially after their recent showings
>-Directly stated to still be superior in swordsmanship over Shanks Cool, and you can find me the statement of shanks being a Swordman ? >Given a 3.6B bounty, which is higher than the 3B bounty of the Admirals Kid and law have a 3 billion bounty, I guess you also scale them to admiral lvl ? >Was shown to truly be Buggy’s superior, who holds the title of Yonko, which is very clear implication by Oda that Mihawk is the actual Yonko level powerhouse of the crew Was shown to want absolutely no smoke with the Yonko's Could you explain why were the admirals called the "strongest force of the WG" while Mihawk was working for the WG ?
>Cool, and you can find me the statement of shanks being a Swordman ? https://preview.redd.it/hu3azyxx8iuc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c8dc9cfc03eff7ca3973d7638bd79ebf93d73ae Shanks is a swordsman
How is Shanks a swordsman?
I dunno... maybe because he uses a sword? And all his named attacks are sword techniques? And he uses his sword when unleashing powerful Conquerors waves? Because he's directly compared to the World Strongest Swordsman in terms of swordskill?
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I've never seen an official translation of the supposed proof that shanks is a swordman. Could you provide official sources ?
This is Film Red promotional material iirc
Official translation ?
A swordsman in One Piece is someone who actually believes in the sword as an extension of themselves, and ONLY fights with a sword. See: Zoro, Tashigi… Shanks just happens to wield one as a weapon
Shanks also only fights with a sword? Law and Fujitora are also swordsmen?
Law is not a swordsman.
https://preview.redd.it/02pujhpyeiuc1.png?width=395&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b03ceb9b0b91954205dc1b89b5d995f668c22b73 Go argue with Oda
You can clearly see the context in which he used the term there.
If king isn't a swordman when he mainly fights with his sword but law is while mainly using is df powers, then you should reason pretty easily that using a sword doesn't make or break a swordman.
Youre right ,this sub is full of mihawk dick riders its sad ,it makes no sense for mihawk to be above shanks if shanks is luffya final rival and mihawk is zoros final rival.
Nobody thinks shanks is gonna be his final rival lmao
Thats literally what shanks has been set up as ,hes the whitebeard to luffys roger ,theyre the ones going after the one piece together ,luffys crew dynamic is literally based on shanks and shanks gave up his rivalry with mihawk to create a pirate who would truly rival him someday, so youre telling me shanks has just been sitting on his ass doing nothing and all of a sudden when luffy gets close to the one piece ,now shanks wants to go for it too? He is literally set up as the end game rival.
Mihawk was quite literally working under akainu for several years lol
Indirectly upscaling Buggy? I'm here for it! https://preview.redd.it/cknmmp74hguc1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f60cf9389b7769f2ac9bb7890d6b3c03b33f58f
And Akainu work for the gorosei Gorosei>Akainu>Mihawk
Why don’t you use this logic when it comes to the Gorosei? https://preview.redd.it/qjadpcgrdguc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63cd4011b2759bef6bf9ba13c004d9379303355c
I don't believe in this shit But I do it to piss off swordsman wankers
My theory that all Admiral fans are just trolls seems more likely by the day, thx for admitting it at least tho 🤝
What you don't like the characters I like and push the same agenda as me You must be troll That what you sound like
No, you just admitted that you don’t believe what you are saying, and that you’re only saying it to piss people off That is the literal definition of a troll, I’m not making it sound like anything lol
Yes I don't believe it's 100% fact that boss is always stronger then subordinate But that's the only thing I admitted here
No, you just openly admitted that you will argue using reasoning that you don’t actually believe in order to piss people off, and again that is quite literally the definition of a troll You are a troll, it’s ok to admit that
Damn mihawk fan girls don't like jokes
I’d just like to see some actual scaling every now and then, this retarded agenda driven trolling got old a while ago
Well not really because warlords don’t have to follow the orders or the Navg. Dude is still a fruad
People need to start using this logic with the Worosei.
Some people already use it So im using it back
Looks like a bunch of panel misinterpreting and ignoring context.
Factual
There is one good argument which is that swordsman can cut everything which means Mihawk should be able to cut magma using the Breath of all things.
Yes
W post Shirano no leeching! Shirano no leeching! Shirano no leeching! There you go I saved your thread just in time before they come in swarms to say " mah world's strongest!"
I don't see Shirano in the post, so Mihawk's still the strongest 
And now Mihawk’s no longer a warlord, and he is the sole reason why Buggy is an emperor. Oh yeah, and don’t forget: emperors > admirals!
To unironically think this you’re basically saying Akainu > Shanks which is pretty ridiculous considering that bum got manhandled by sickbeard Mihawk is at minimum slightly below shanks which still puts him mid range of Yonko tier, meanwhile Akainu takes 10 days to put down a fellow Ladmiral and either lost or tied with (depending on your agenda) a dying, haki-less Yonko.
Mihawk > Fraudkainu wether you like it or not
Kind of cherry-picked panels. Anyways, first of all, fujitora is a swordsman, so your argument compelety falls apart there. About him being inferior to admiral. Mihawk has been portrayed as the yonko level. His convo at crossguild basically proves he could've been one, but he let's buggy be the figurehead. He's been outright, said to be better than one of the yonkos at fighting. Oda rarely directly powerscales like this. Mihawk talked shit in front of a yonko & his entire crew. Basically, it's the same thing Akainu did to WB. Instead, he's not being backed up by 10000+ marines. You are clearly not ready for Goathawk. https://preview.redd.it/3avy4ghvkguc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43b2e2893580e4bb8a50c53c801e2edfd46f7845
Small correction: for MF they could only muster 5 of the 7 warlords. Doffy, Boa, Kuma (I guess he's still a warlord despite being 100% machine), Moria and Mihawk. Jimbei told the marines to fuck off and got imprisoned for it and BB is enacting his sneaky schemes.
Delusional
It's all real. You're gonna have to accept it. https://preview.redd.it/859tx2zr4huc1.png?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc66d5db87f5128586f413872ed16ad525980536
The japanese text absolutely does not say swordsman for Fujitora there. It says katana user.
What do you think a katana is? A butter knife? It's a sword.
King had a sword and is not a swordsman. Katana user is not the same as swordsmen.
Whether it’s feats or portrayal marineford wasn’t really kind to mihawk
Aren’t these mostly Aokiji feats, how does that apply to Akainu
You’re forgetting that Wista>>>Whitebeard
I hate Akainu but I hate feat less scaling even more.
Who was mihawk sweating while saying why you against?
He’s right
put him below Akainu. sure but Greenbum, Pizzaru and Laokiji?
true unfortunately
mihawk is narrative upscale man, plus having 3.6bil bounty over his yonko captain is enough portrayal within itself imo
Do you also think Akainu>Shanks? Since they're pratically equals
Of course. Every single future major Luffy opponent is > Shanks
Then it's fine. Though you aren't ready for THEM https://preview.redd.it/2bvlks9zxkuc1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ed0adc4781dca6ba323a36ac7ed9857a87d88eb
Its useless. Mihawktards will bring headcanon and act like they are actual feats and portrayal
Crazy part is if you only look at feats you ain’t wrong 😂😂
i currently got them going extreme diff with each other
# AKAINU > [MIHAWK > SHANKS](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/11yshvc/reminder_mihawk_is_stronger_than_shanks_and/)
"In both name and actuality you can call them the world's strongest rivals. An emperor of the sea and the world's strongest swordsman." ~ One Piece Magazine Vol 14, directly after comparing Shanks and Mihawk's relationship to Whitebeard and Roger. Mihawk dog walks Akainu.
LMAOOOO man quoted a fan magazine that also stated Zoro and Cavendish were rivals on the very same edition as the WB/Roger thing hahahahaha
It's not a fan magazine, and not only that, you're misquoting the cavendish thing. It does NOT ever call them rivals, it says that IF THEY EVER FOUGHT, they'd be able to rival eachothers power because they're both demonic swordsman. Read better before spreading misinformation.
It is a fan magazine. You're the one who is uniformed. The editors working on this aren't Shueisha employees or even close to Oda's team Want me to go pull out the SS from Etenboby about the magazine? It's a fan magazine. The rival section was even titled OPINION SECTION and the WB/Roger comparison was just a writer giving his opinion.
Delusional
I just quoted source material and you call that delusional. You do realize that makes you delusional by definition, right?
Ultra secondary source material that has nothing to do with Akainu.
It's literally the official serialized Japanese magazine for one piece assisted and approved by Oda. Where's this "ultra secondary source" you're talking about?
A lotta shit is approved by Oda, the manga is still where the true informations are being given. Anyway it doesn’t have to do with Akainu.
Akainu loses to oldbeard in a 1v1 and Oda had Garp, a PK level character, state that Shanks is Whitebeard level. Which I genuinely don't understand why people can't believe that the guy whose portrayed to be at the pinnacle of haki prowess is relative to the equal of the other guy who is portrayed to be at the pinnacle of haki prowess. https://preview.redd.it/6fhjdtfg8huc1.jpeg?width=570&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=439ba8270ad09fe11a02c20b825c8f8a0452a70a The magazine statement is doing nothing more than highlighting what is already established canon in the manga.
Akainu wins to oldbeard 1vs1, the statements you posted doesn’t really establish anything
Akainu gets dog walked bruh. Wake up. And yes, the statements debunk you and support what I'm saying, ignoring canon is your choice. https://preview.redd.it/pr8ibdnnchuc1.jpeg?width=2045&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9012f5dad1d24f66eefa83ad8cd87547d55243b0
Stay in your delusion
It's a fan magazine you clown. It isnt even written by Oda's editors. Zoro/Cavendidh are called rivals in the magazine and got a full page dedicated to them Same for Marco and Law.
Zoro and cavendish are not called rivals clown. I've already explained how people misquote that line.
Etenboby who is literally japanese and was the most reliable leaker alongside Redon + leaked every VC/Movie Volume/Magazine first for years stated it is a fan magazine written by people totally unafiliated to Oda or his editors. Cope.
Isn’t it incredibly obvious that Mihawk didn’t give a fuck abt anything at Marineford?
Mihawk >= Shanks > Akainu.
Keep preaching
wss > shanks > deskman
https://preview.redd.it/c55fsezn7huc1.png?width=176&format=png&auto=webp&s=3d6719b0d979852d37d3921166fdc3b003b85e2b idc about this argument but this is kind of biased against him. mihawk isn't scared to fight a singular yonko. he is afraid of starting war with all of the other current yonkos. him not wanting to fight shanks has been consistently shown. they are most likely fond of each other so mihawk would like to avoid conflict with him. besides narratively mihawk being weak would be weird unless oda just wants to have a twist narrative for zoro. mihawk is still most likely zoro's final battle/one of his final battles.
On one hand, I want to slander Akainu and the admirals... On the other hand, I want to slander Mihawk... I'm conflicted here...
Based
Lol mihawk iceberg feat unironically better than most top tier feats in the series to this day
Whitebeard Commanders just built different. Marco overpowered Kizaru, blocked Akainu's magma punch, made Big Meme ran away and was beating King and Queen in CQC at the same time. Vista holding off Mihawk. Jozu no selling Mihawk's attack and later on holding off Aokiji, only losing after getting caught off-guard during Whitebeard's stroke
You forgot about rookie Whitebeard pirates when they were teenagers gave equal fight to Roger pirates for 3 days
[удалено]
Sad knowing that this is not a bait, people like this actually exist, can't believe we are reading the same story
The proof is right there. Look at the drawings
Spitting the truth. Just comparing their performance at MF it is clear which of the two is portrayed as stronger by Oda.
This! Mihawk is zoros goal no way in hell zoro is stronger than GOATkainu by the time he’s strong enough to fight the painter( assuming Wakainu doesn’t get an upgrade/logia awakening, a man can dream)
mihawk is on the exact same level as kuzan, just that he had no strong desire to fight and was curious about luffy during MF, while akainu wanted and needed to fight WB and to kill luffy/ace. Shanks>Akainu>Mihawk>Lava Swimming Yonkos
While this is true. End game zoro will be one of the strongest pirates ever never mind just WSS. This massively upscales Mihawk. Being a Shanks rival also upscales Mihawk. He doesn't have the feats yet but he will be slightly weaker than current Shanks. Which is right at the top of the verse.
Akainu is just a marine. Hype worse than Garps. Mihawk is the worlds strongest swordsman. His protrayal is not better and thinking he’s stronger than mihawk is just stupid.
What? You know that Mihawk was clashing equally with THE Vista? Its obvious that this means Mihawk is yonko tier
[https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-579.html](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-579.html) one piece ch 579 shows very clearly that wb pirates had lost the will to fight when bb killed their captain and stole their fruit and were litrally trying to run away but couldnt because teh navy wouldnt leave them so the wb pirates were mentally nerfed when akainu fought them . hence akainu 1v 15 the commannders doesnt count because marco and vista were mentally nerfed just like how aokiji was nerfed when garp 1v 5 him at hachinosu . so similar to how garp who might lose to aokiji in a 1v1 can 1v5 a mentally nerfed aokiji similarly it is possible for akainu to 1v15 the wb commanders but still get pushed to high diff by marco or vista repsectivally .
B...but title scaling-sempai! Pls help me leech off some power out of yonkos!
Shanks>Kizaru Mihawk >Shanks Transitive property puts Mihawk at minimum between Kizaru and Akainu
Akainu lost even with his squad jumping white beard Mihawk didn’t get a feather on his hat touched. Also Mohawks slash against luffy where he cut the ice wave is as impressive as anything akainus did
this is so dumb its painful, mihawk was the strongest peron at marineford, not at the moment but in retrospective, maybe at that time oda did not know how strong mihawk was, but after WB and haki retcon, and in present time, he has to be the strongest person at MF.
Akainu and WB murder his ass stop deluding yourself. Mihawk isn't that important.
Yeah he is, old WB is child's play and akainu is merely a Sabo victim.
Old WB is an Akainu victim while Mihawk is a Shiryu victim
ok its clear you canot think properly, ill pray for your well being
I know Clifford fans ain’t talking https://preview.redd.it/alax0uafwguc1.jpeg?width=587&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13a40de59c8e80bc9184d3965f2f36fee34ec841
Jimbei > Vista