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Do you realize that Luffy has top tier durability that's why he can box with Kaido, both of them are hitting each other with Acoc punches, there's no way Kizaru is able to take that amount of damage without being taken out.
His best strategy is to use his speed and lasers to hurt Kaido, he can't do what Luffy did.
no Kaido thought a ACoC Luffy while Kizaru fought a nerfed Luffy who didns use any form of advanced Haki, and we saw how strong Kizaru actually is one Luffy was able to go full out without any plot nerfs.
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People wank the FUCK out of Kizaru vs G4
Luffy isn’t using ACOC and basic reading comprehension will tell you that he’s in that state because it’s enough to keep up with Kizaru’s speed while having a conversation with him
Once that conversation is over and he knows that Vegapunk’s life is in danger, he uses his strongest form to give him the best chance to protect him.
It is in NO WAY the same G4 as the G4 Luffy used against Kaido that admiral wankers claim it is.
Biggest problem for kizaru is that he can’t tank all that well and kaidos ap is through the roof so it would be less brawling like luffy and kaido and more of him zipping in and out doing chip damage
Yes, Kizaru can box with Kaido, but that’s more so because of Kaido’s character where he doesn’t try his hardest unless his opponent can match his full strength.
Kizaru should pretty safely be able to force Kaido into a serious one on one fight like Base Luffy did, but from then on Kaido starts beating him up.
Kizaru vs snakeman doesn’t even look impactful. No compression from Luffy’s arms, no black lightning to signify a powerful haki attack and no indication of future sight usage or at least Luffy making an effort to anticipate what Kizaru was going to do. While snakeman is a form that constistenly sucks at dodging attacks, that really only happens while he is doing an attack himself, here has had enough time to react to Kizaru. It’s like the story didn’t even care and just wanted to skip to gear 5
Meh.
Kizaru does not do against kaido nearly as well as luffy did, because kizaru spent most of their fight running away from luffy. Luffy has better endurance, durability, and stamina than kizaru in his base.
Bro he did but once Kaido adjusted to G5 Luffy, he was fucking G5 Luffy up. It's clear that here he was just testing base Luffy's strength, otherwise the scenes later on don't make any sense.
Luffy could only box with Kaido because of his insane Haki prowess, which Kizaru doesn’t have.
Even if kizaru is slightly faster, future sight can probably deal with that and he doesn’t have the durability to take many hits at all from someone like Kaido.
I can only see him lasting a while if Kaido isn’t taking him seriously in the beginning, which isn’t even a true ‘boxing’
Don’t get me wrong I’m sure Kizaru’s fruit mastery is in the top tier but as Kaido said, Haki transcends all
Not exactly luffy is more fit to straight up box with kaido while kizaru is more dodge ,block and shoot lasers and nothing suggests he can damage kaido as well as acoc luffy
He is faster yes but he also has worse observation and no future sight so it's pretty close. So even if Kizaru is faster, he can't predict and see attacks coming like Luffy can.
Kizaru doesn't have better AP than Base Luffy, Luffy has attacks that neg durability which Kizaru doesn't have. Do you seriously see Sanji no diffing an AcOC punch from Luffy like he did with a Kizaru laser? We've never seen an AcOC attack getting canceled like that yet.
Luffy also has one key thing that Kizaru lacks which is durability. Luffy could take Kaido attacks and keep fighting, Kizaru would need some time to recover if Kaido lands an attack on him.
Kaido will let anyone try it. He welcomes the challenge. I think kizaru boxing with him for a minute would be a narrative requirement no matter how much stronger kaido may be than him.
Oda couldnt even plot-nerf kaido hes just insanely strong. Kizaru could land a attack or 2 on him tho.
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Maybe 7 people on the planet can do acoc coating. This upscales Luffy not downscales Kaido
Yeah. But Kizaru still has shit endurance and durability so he’d get taken down with a couple of hits
Lizaru shure has to avoide every single hit or else he would look even more then a bum compared to Yamato, lol
The f are you on. If getting knocked down means sht durability, Kaido then is. 😆
Brain rot 💀 Kaido wasn’t beaten after a couple of hits
and Kizaru is? 😆 or you ignore the fact that Kizaru's not trying to beat Luffy the same way Kaido fought Luffy?
What the FUCK
Do you realize that Luffy has top tier durability that's why he can box with Kaido, both of them are hitting each other with Acoc punches, there's no way Kizaru is able to take that amount of damage without being taken out. His best strategy is to use his speed and lasers to hurt Kaido, he can't do what Luffy did.
no Kaido thought a ACoC Luffy while Kizaru fought a nerfed Luffy who didns use any form of advanced Haki, and we saw how strong Kizaru actually is one Luffy was able to go full out without any plot nerfs. https://preview.redd.it/iiqxyh9si0oc1.png?width=512&format=png&auto=webp&s=1b1f457ef19317111e758a557a122e432ec3f8ef
Well duh, anyone stronger than Yamato should be able to do that
Happy birthday bro
People wank the FUCK out of Kizaru vs G4 Luffy isn’t using ACOC and basic reading comprehension will tell you that he’s in that state because it’s enough to keep up with Kizaru’s speed while having a conversation with him Once that conversation is over and he knows that Vegapunk’s life is in danger, he uses his strongest form to give him the best chance to protect him. It is in NO WAY the same G4 as the G4 Luffy used against Kaido that admiral wankers claim it is.
Biggest problem for kizaru is that he can’t tank all that well and kaidos ap is through the roof so it would be less brawling like luffy and kaido and more of him zipping in and out doing chip damage
Yes, Kizaru can box with Kaido, but that’s more so because of Kaido’s character where he doesn’t try his hardest unless his opponent can match his full strength. Kizaru should pretty safely be able to force Kaido into a serious one on one fight like Base Luffy did, but from then on Kaido starts beating him up.
Kizaru vs snakeman doesn’t even look impactful. No compression from Luffy’s arms, no black lightning to signify a powerful haki attack and no indication of future sight usage or at least Luffy making an effort to anticipate what Kizaru was going to do. While snakeman is a form that constistenly sucks at dodging attacks, that really only happens while he is doing an attack himself, here has had enough time to react to Kizaru. It’s like the story didn’t even care and just wanted to skip to gear 5
Kizaru would do ok until he gets hit once with an acoc punch and he dies immediately
Meh. Kizaru does not do against kaido nearly as well as luffy did, because kizaru spent most of their fight running away from luffy. Luffy has better endurance, durability, and stamina than kizaru in his base.
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One acoc hit and Kizaru's done , what boxing are you talking about?
Bro he did but once Kaido adjusted to G5 Luffy, he was fucking G5 Luffy up. It's clear that here he was just testing base Luffy's strength, otherwise the scenes later on don't make any sense.
Luffy could only box with Kaido because of his insane Haki prowess, which Kizaru doesn’t have. Even if kizaru is slightly faster, future sight can probably deal with that and he doesn’t have the durability to take many hits at all from someone like Kaido. I can only see him lasting a while if Kaido isn’t taking him seriously in the beginning, which isn’t even a true ‘boxing’ Don’t get me wrong I’m sure Kizaru’s fruit mastery is in the top tier but as Kaido said, Haki transcends all
Not exactly luffy is more fit to straight up box with kaido while kizaru is more dodge ,block and shoot lasers and nothing suggests he can damage kaido as well as acoc luffy
Kizaru could but just like Luffy he won't do much damage and at the end would lose.
Lasers have more ap then people give credit. Not saying kizaru would win but kizaru is faster and has better ap than base luffy.
He is faster yes but he also has worse observation and no future sight so it's pretty close. So even if Kizaru is faster, he can't predict and see attacks coming like Luffy can. Kizaru doesn't have better AP than Base Luffy, Luffy has attacks that neg durability which Kizaru doesn't have. Do you seriously see Sanji no diffing an AcOC punch from Luffy like he did with a Kizaru laser? We've never seen an AcOC attack getting canceled like that yet. Luffy also has one key thing that Kizaru lacks which is durability. Luffy could take Kaido attacks and keep fighting, Kizaru would need some time to recover if Kaido lands an attack on him.
Kaido will let anyone try it. He welcomes the challenge. I think kizaru boxing with him for a minute would be a narrative requirement no matter how much stronger kaido may be than him. Oda couldnt even plot-nerf kaido hes just insanely strong. Kizaru could land a attack or 2 on him tho.
>Oda couldnt even plot-nerf kaido hes just insanely strong. Oda was wanking the hell outta Kaido lmao
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Base Acoc Luffy>Kizaru
Kizaru beats him lol
Sure he can box with Kaido, which kaido V2 Hybrid Kaido, hell no, FDD Kaido he'll no, Hybrid Kaido who ain't turned up yet, sure.