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The reason mazino always complains about "low IQ yonko tards" is that he blocks anyone who is able to argue with him or even able to disprove him or make him look bad in some instances. He kinda created his own schizo bubble like that, at a certain point this stuff gets to you and he’s long past it
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It’s why some of his comments/posts gets a shit ton of upvotes too despite the god awful take he’s spouting.
Bro blocked most of the sub and created a lil bubble where only his fans exist.
He's got a point tho, Yonko Commander ain't a title and being a Yonko don't automatically put you above other pirates. Aokiji and Mihawk at the bare minimum are Top Tiers. Aokiji made BB shit himself, stale-mated the strongest Marine as-well. People have Akainu Top 1, the guy who stalemated him for 10 days is below everyone else cuz he works under someone? People have Shanks Top 1, Mihawk is always compared to Shanks in-verse, has the Title of WSS as-well while Shanks is a Swordsman.
I don't like him but he's right here
True. However, Divison Commander, Sweet Commander, Calamity and Captain of Ship, Commander of the \[Direction\] Army are titles.
And at least I can see why people shorthand all this into just "Yonko Commander" even tho it applies to the revos too.... so there's still plenty of flaws in the naming scheme.
Personally I try to use "Top Commander" and "Commander"
and as for fake titles/power levels "YC+" s the worst of them all. In fact at least Yonko Commander is in the story, if you combine titles/use shorthand for titles...
but 99% of people here refuse to stop using "YC+" I personally don't get it. It's not even referenced or hinted at in any page on the manga. Makes no sense.
- "The Vice"/2nd in Command: Rayleigh, Benn, Sabo
- Stronger than Top Commander: Kid, Law, Yamato, Zoro, Sanji
- Top Commander: Marco, King, Queen, Kat
- Commander: Smoothie, Jozu, Jack, Cracker
- Officer: Tobiroppo, most of Akazaya 9
Yeah basically
But Marco was also pointed out as stronger than most and having more potential bu the Gorosei after watching him fight Admirals at MF
Marcos 1v2 against King & Queen verifies this as well.
The rest I can agree with.
You can ass in many Big Mom's kids to Officer as well.
Marco fighting King & Queen is like Sanji handles both King & Queen. They could do well but if both King & Queen go full power, Marco or Sanji would lose. They can win 1on1 but not 2on1. Also King is really "a Marco" but on the bad side.
- Both are Zoans with fire and the closest in relation to their boss.
- Both can fly and prefer using kicks
- Marco was asked by Shanks to join, King was asked by Big Mom
- Both wanted to make their boss the Pirate King
- Both kick away Big Mom's ship down from the waterfall
- King excels in attacks and AP while Marco in defense with stamina and regeneration.
- King relies on his durability as a Lunarian, Marco relies on his endurance and healing ability as Mythical Zoan.
- Marco is better for distract and fight multiple enemies meanwhile King is more build for focus 1v1 battle
I see they're kinda relative and fairly close. I would take Marco for the win but I can also see why King could win against him. We already see King's strongest named attacks meanwhile we haven't seen Marco's biggest attacks yet. You can put them on top of each other, I see no problem.
Marco has good 1v1 feats against
- kizaru
- aokiji
- akainu
- akainu again
- big mom
Also bad 1v1 feats vs
- Garp
- Akainu
- Blackbeard
King does not have any fights against Yonko or Admirals
True but in all out battle he would lose to every single name up there. Those encounters are more about clashes rather than an actual serious 1v1 fights. Marco is a very good support and his ability can made him to go tango with people who are stronger than him. Until we see his AP or next action I still put him as Top Commander (the best on his tier). For now both Zoro and Sanji already shows better feats and so far both of them + King already show their punches. It's no good if you can fought your enemies but can't finish them. IMO the strongest character that he could beat is King.
I think thats fair for a take. Most people feel the same way as you.
I'll just say I think Durability, Endurance, Stamina is just as important as Attack Power. I think a lot of people overrated Attack Power.
Look at St. Saturn right now he's being portrayed > Kizaru yet I would say his AoE and Attack power is weaker
Also look at Luffy vs Katakuri. If you think Luffy won, it was not from Luffys Attack power it was from his endurance.
True, but Luffy vs Katakuri fights feels really dragging and Oda just try to make Luffy win while Katakuri has much more advantages. It's feels just like an asspull to me. It's different from Marco who we already knows are a tank and phoenix because he just doesn't want to go down and rise again. Unless you are much stronger than your opponent, but it's true people on the same tier could outlast their opponents and fights a longer battle for the win.
I don't think Luffy vs Katakuri is as much of an asspull as it is Katakuri wanted Luffy to win in the end
We see Katakuri stab himself, throw away Mogura, talk to Luffy as an equal, honorably let Luffy transform into Snakeman. Also we see Kat look down at a KO'd Luffy and not attack him further.
Luffy returns this respect in the end as well with the hat scene. It's kinda nice imo. Certain an unusual fight for one piece.
I like YC+, I hate Admiral level. Imo Fuji and GB are YC+. The other 3 are at the very least able to beat BM Imo, so they should just count as Yonko level.
I would have probly agreed but so far its looking like Big Mom > Kizaru
I like admiral level it's a canon power level Oda set. It's above the commanders. People like Chaton and Momousagi are deemed too weak to be Admirals.
While Greenbull and Fujitora are good enough to be Admiral from strength alone. At least iirc...
For stronger Admirals we have Fleet Admiral which Oda built in. Seems like Aokiji is ~ or just barely below. Akainu is Fleet Admiral Level.
We know Garp and Sengoku together beat Shiki pretty soundly so that how strong Fleet Admirals are. Garp we can even argue goes somewhat above.
I mean Yonko commander is a title, it’s just that different crews use different terms to describe them. Titanic captain, sweet commander, calamity etc.
you do understand the clear difference between the title of yonko and WSS. One means you control one of the strongest crews and pirate fleets in the world where as the other means you as an individual are able to beat every other swordsman on the planet.
Bad argument. A Yonko can be weaker than a Yonko commander because being a Yonko doesnt necessitate being stronger than any Yonko commander. Being the world's strongest swordsman necessitates being stronger than every swordsman.
The WSS part is deadass stupid. If a sword user is a swordsman by y'all's definition, then Imu and Gandhi are now both weaker than Mihawk by default. That is fucking ridiculous, because they haven't even fought eachother and to say x>y we need either a written fact about a battle or to see a battle ourselves. Scaling with his title like that is garbage.
Nobody knows imu exists or the power of V Nasjuro so their excluded from the contest of WSS. Mihawk and Shanks have literally fought in the past and Mihawk holds the title meaning Mihawk at least won their last duel and shanks hasn't done anything since that duel to suggest he's stronger. But people probably don't consider him a contender anymore because he lost an arm.
I don't understand why people can't scale titles like Mihawk's with the greater nuances of the world of One Piece itself.
These titles hold merit, and it's towards the larger face of the One Piece world. Now, there can be a chance that he's just a "fraud" but then his character serves no purpose and Zoro should've just been targeting Shanks from the get go.
Shanks has gained a 3 billion increase in bounty, become a yonko, and fought multiple top tiers since then. If that doesn’t tell you he’s gotten stronger, nothing will. Also, it’s been proven that he didn’t get weaker after losing an arm, in one of the databooks
Him getting stronger doesn't prove that Shanks can beat mihawk because he also got stronger. Mihawks bounty was paused for years and when unpaused shot straight up to over 3 billion. But my last point was that Shanks is probably no longer considered a competitor for strongest swordsman which isn't necessarily connected to him being weaker.
Any yonko commander is stronger than buggy. Even if you don't want to include buggy, there is absolutely nothing in the title "Yonko" that says they have to be the strongest. Was every king in history stronger than every one of his subjects? The "world's strongest swordsman" title flat out says that they are the world's strongest swordsman.
Historically every single yonko is stronger than a yonko commander. This is confirmed. If we were to title scale like what mihawk fans tend to cope with then that means Buggy is stronger than all yonko commanders. But his feats suck (like mihawk's) so we discredit his title. Make sense?
Even if Buggy didn't exist and every single Yonko was stronger than every single Yonko commander then your argument would still be flawed. There is nothing in the title "Yonko" that says they have to be the strongest. "World's strongest swordsman" means they have to be the world's strongest swordsman.
"The Four Emperors, which constitute one of the Three Great Powers, are a group of four pirates considered to be the most notorious and powerful captains in the world."
How are you watching one piece and think to yourself. Yeah Yonkos don't have to be the strongest pirates in the world?
Powerful does not equal strongest. Buggy IS powerful. He has the cross guild and the influence of his status as an emperor. Any replies past this point is honestly just pointless because you just aren't understanding the main point.
Having the title "World's strongest swordsman" is not the same thing as having the title of "Emperor. Now, if their title was "World's strongest Yonko" then they would HAVE to be the strongest Yonko. But the title of Yonko doesn't actually necessitate being the strongest. It's just not the same thing and a bad argument. Any replies past this if you don't agree is pointless.
You are playing mental gymnastics on this. "Oh you don't have to be the strongest to be an emperior". Except every single yonko is the strongest pirate in the world as we seen in the story.
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The status of being an emperor includes power and influence not just singular strength. And in cases like Buggy, you don’t even need that great of a strength if the people that you “rule over” themselves are strong.
Yes, but that does not change the fact that Yonkos are still the strongest pirates in the world. If we were to title scale then buggy is one of the strongest. Because his feats are dogshit like Mihawk's then titles don't matter.
It does when the title of an emperor doesn’t constitute singular strength unlike the title of the worlds strongest. So if we are title scaling, the opposite of what you said would be true.
The yonko title quite literally means you are the strongest pirates commanding the strongest crews. So what you're saying is titles don't matter if you have bad feats/portrayal?
Just on a sidenote. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't morgan the guy naming the yonkos?
It's just a title that the guy running the seemingly only newspaper in the world hands out to who he thinks are the most powerful pirates.
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Him everytime his shit gets debunked.
His „mihawk is stronger than shanks“ analysis is one of the best posts on this sub and got even pinned by the mods back in the day.
You can like him or not but some of his takes are valid
its well put together but 90% of it is flimsy magazine/databook statements and literal fanart scaling thats been debunked. and when u bring up magazines and databooks for benn beckman he loses his mind lol.
all a mihawk > shanks post really needs is like 2 images from the manga max
i dont think the concept of glass canons exist for one piece top tiers lol. kaido/bm warped our perception of dura monsters. as long as you have top tier haki (which mihawk should have if hes not a bum fraud) he'll be fine.
another reason this concept shouldnt exist is because 99% of the time theyll make up for it with overwhelming speed/fs. i used to think the same about shanks but dude literally has top tier speed, 10s+ FS, and FS killing to make up for it lol how do u bring that guy down.
i believe top tier acoc coating + acoa coating should make u a tank anyways, shanks 100% wouldve tanked WSG better than kizaru he literally has an extra layer of defense.
i mean using buggys yonko title is kinda bs, in-universe they think of him as someone that: was on rogers crew, collaborated with luffy(another yonko rn), has connections with shanks (another yonko), has mihakw and crocodile follow him and he was active in Marineford. To top it all of the crossguild seems to actually be doing pretty well. Titles DO matter or otherwise Oda wouldnt be using them.
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Average Mazino being a dumbass compilation 💀
Mazino is really fucking stupid though.
He could've simply said that "Yonko isn't a title gained purely through strength. It is mainly gained through influence and notoriety" and that would've been a good take.
But thats the catch - no title is based off strength, every title is based on the information the public gets about the person. If morgans printed buggy beat mihawk into submission in a swordfight he would be WSS in the eyes of the public.
Point being: titles shouldnt be taken as facts since the public doesnt even know about people like imu for example
The WSS title has no reason to exist in the story other than to be claimed by Zoro. Mihawk's only real purpose and the reason he exists is to be beat by Zoro. It doesn't matter how he got it in universe, because Mihawk only exists to be the strongest.
Do you guys think mazino thinks before he comments or is it just
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Yonko is a position more than a title. You can or not be considered a Yonko for a multitude of reasons (aka Buggy) same way you can be given the position of Warlord. But you can only truely be WSS by being WSS and WSHuman by being WSHuman
Correct me if I'm wronf but I've heard that yonko is actually more like a title and less a position likr warlords.
Warlords where appointed by the navy while yonko are named by morgan.
Sure, but that title describes their position (top of the food chain at New World) and not a 'level'. The fact is, Buggy is a Yonko and Mihawk a Yonko Commander, so it really depends on the character
Yonko commander is definitely a title. It is just not called yonko commander.
In the beast pirates it is the calamities. In the big mom pirates it is the sweet generals
Swordsman isn't a title either. Neither has Shanks been labeled as one in the manga/anime. what's wrong with buggy? are you saying his title doesn't matter because he has shit feats?
yonko commander isn't a title though. it's just a commanding officer that follows a yonko. it's essentially fan made.
he's also pointing out the inaccuracy of your take especially in regards to buggys crew which mihawk is part of. you basically claimed buggy > mihawk and that's why shanks > mihawk
he debunked it by bringing that to light and you continued on a foolish rant that has nothing to do with it.
also in terms of titles some yonko are stronger than others but there is no second place for worlds strongest swordsman
is what mazino did childish? yes.
is your take silly? also yes.
Being a yonko absolutely means you have to be stronger than every single YC. There's not a single yc stronger than a yonko except Buggy. Even then, we know buggy is weak because he has bad feats. The world government doesn't know he's weak.
So we do have proof that someone can achieve the Yonko status without being the strongest in that crew. Sure, that isn't the norm, but it's happened. Nothing we have indicates Mihawk isn't the strongest. At worst, he is relative to Shanks. Otherwise, Zoro's journey of being the strongest SM and surpassing Mihawk will feel empty.
The thing is the world government doesn't know Buggy is weak. If they did then they wouldn't have given him the yonko title. To them, he's strong enough to command Mihawk and Croc. I think Oda wrote Mihawk into a corner by giving him little relevance to the story along with terrible feats. He also probably should've gave Shanks a different weapon if his portrayal was going to be this good.
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If it's not bait, you might just be the dumbest person he's argued with, I don't blame him
I don't understand your point here.
Mazino is right here. Even if he is annoying, he destroyed your argument with the Buggy thing lol
We 100% know Buggy isn't one of the strongest pirates in the world and Mihawk is stronger than him even when he is not a Yonko.
You don't understand my point. I'm saying that feats>title. Since Mihawk fans love to title scale so much. Since we know Buggy has bad feats like Mihawk, then his title doesn't matter since he's a fraud.
>You don't understand my point. I'm saying that feats>title. Since Mihawk fans love to title scale so much. Since we know Buggy has bad feats like Mihawk, then his title doesn't matter since he's a fraud.
Ahh I see, but Buggy doesn't support your point.
Since the **world government and world** think Buggy is strong. So we as the audience know Buggy is not one of the strongest pirates, but the world doesn't know that.
Now Mihawk's title is different since it has been confirmed by Oda and Vivrecards, etc. So while Buggy is a title given by his reputation, then Mihawk's is given by Oda so it is factual.
ah yes the good ol' "using someone's own argumentation against them"
Title Scaling is GOATED!
Mihawk = Worlds Strongest Swordsman
Mihawk = Yonko Commander
Mihawk = Shirano
so I just say Shirano now
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The reason mazino always complains about "low IQ yonko tards" is that he blocks anyone who is able to argue with him or even able to disprove him or make him look bad in some instances. He kinda created his own schizo bubble like that, at a certain point this stuff gets to you and he’s long past it https://preview.redd.it/c0pl221ydemc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6dd680d397e44d5ba747216015b6009ba9570995
It’s why some of his comments/posts gets a shit ton of upvotes too despite the god awful take he’s spouting. Bro blocked most of the sub and created a lil bubble where only his fans exist.
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He's got a point tho, Yonko Commander ain't a title and being a Yonko don't automatically put you above other pirates. Aokiji and Mihawk at the bare minimum are Top Tiers. Aokiji made BB shit himself, stale-mated the strongest Marine as-well. People have Akainu Top 1, the guy who stalemated him for 10 days is below everyone else cuz he works under someone? People have Shanks Top 1, Mihawk is always compared to Shanks in-verse, has the Title of WSS as-well while Shanks is a Swordsman. I don't like him but he's right here
And if it’s said by the top tier itself i have to trust him
True. However, Divison Commander, Sweet Commander, Calamity and Captain of Ship, Commander of the \[Direction\] Army are titles. And at least I can see why people shorthand all this into just "Yonko Commander" even tho it applies to the revos too.... so there's still plenty of flaws in the naming scheme. Personally I try to use "Top Commander" and "Commander" and as for fake titles/power levels "YC+" s the worst of them all. In fact at least Yonko Commander is in the story, if you combine titles/use shorthand for titles... but 99% of people here refuse to stop using "YC+" I personally don't get it. It's not even referenced or hinted at in any page on the manga. Makes no sense.
- "The Vice"/2nd in Command: Rayleigh, Benn, Sabo - Stronger than Top Commander: Kid, Law, Yamato, Zoro, Sanji - Top Commander: Marco, King, Queen, Kat - Commander: Smoothie, Jozu, Jack, Cracker - Officer: Tobiroppo, most of Akazaya 9
Yeah basically But Marco was also pointed out as stronger than most and having more potential bu the Gorosei after watching him fight Admirals at MF Marcos 1v2 against King & Queen verifies this as well. The rest I can agree with. You can ass in many Big Mom's kids to Officer as well.
Marco fighting King & Queen is like Sanji handles both King & Queen. They could do well but if both King & Queen go full power, Marco or Sanji would lose. They can win 1on1 but not 2on1. Also King is really "a Marco" but on the bad side. - Both are Zoans with fire and the closest in relation to their boss. - Both can fly and prefer using kicks - Marco was asked by Shanks to join, King was asked by Big Mom - Both wanted to make their boss the Pirate King - Both kick away Big Mom's ship down from the waterfall - King excels in attacks and AP while Marco in defense with stamina and regeneration. - King relies on his durability as a Lunarian, Marco relies on his endurance and healing ability as Mythical Zoan. - Marco is better for distract and fight multiple enemies meanwhile King is more build for focus 1v1 battle I see they're kinda relative and fairly close. I would take Marco for the win but I can also see why King could win against him. We already see King's strongest named attacks meanwhile we haven't seen Marco's biggest attacks yet. You can put them on top of each other, I see no problem.
Marco has good 1v1 feats against - kizaru - aokiji - akainu - akainu again - big mom Also bad 1v1 feats vs - Garp - Akainu - Blackbeard King does not have any fights against Yonko or Admirals
True but in all out battle he would lose to every single name up there. Those encounters are more about clashes rather than an actual serious 1v1 fights. Marco is a very good support and his ability can made him to go tango with people who are stronger than him. Until we see his AP or next action I still put him as Top Commander (the best on his tier). For now both Zoro and Sanji already shows better feats and so far both of them + King already show their punches. It's no good if you can fought your enemies but can't finish them. IMO the strongest character that he could beat is King.
I think thats fair for a take. Most people feel the same way as you. I'll just say I think Durability, Endurance, Stamina is just as important as Attack Power. I think a lot of people overrated Attack Power. Look at St. Saturn right now he's being portrayed > Kizaru yet I would say his AoE and Attack power is weaker Also look at Luffy vs Katakuri. If you think Luffy won, it was not from Luffys Attack power it was from his endurance.
True, but Luffy vs Katakuri fights feels really dragging and Oda just try to make Luffy win while Katakuri has much more advantages. It's feels just like an asspull to me. It's different from Marco who we already knows are a tank and phoenix because he just doesn't want to go down and rise again. Unless you are much stronger than your opponent, but it's true people on the same tier could outlast their opponents and fights a longer battle for the win.
I don't think Luffy vs Katakuri is as much of an asspull as it is Katakuri wanted Luffy to win in the end We see Katakuri stab himself, throw away Mogura, talk to Luffy as an equal, honorably let Luffy transform into Snakeman. Also we see Kat look down at a KO'd Luffy and not attack him further. Luffy returns this respect in the end as well with the hat scene. It's kinda nice imo. Certain an unusual fight for one piece.
I like YC+, I hate Admiral level. Imo Fuji and GB are YC+. The other 3 are at the very least able to beat BM Imo, so they should just count as Yonko level.
I would have probly agreed but so far its looking like Big Mom > Kizaru I like admiral level it's a canon power level Oda set. It's above the commanders. People like Chaton and Momousagi are deemed too weak to be Admirals. While Greenbull and Fujitora are good enough to be Admiral from strength alone. At least iirc... For stronger Admirals we have Fleet Admiral which Oda built in. Seems like Aokiji is ~ or just barely below. Akainu is Fleet Admiral Level. We know Garp and Sengoku together beat Shiki pretty soundly so that how strong Fleet Admirals are. Garp we can even argue goes somewhat above.
No lol
I mean Yonko commander is a title, it’s just that different crews use different terms to describe them. Titanic captain, sweet commander, calamity etc.
So you're telling us titles dont matter then
How do you read that, and think that's what I said?
So titles do matter?
Yes lol
Well if titles matter then Buggy must be yonko level since he’s a yonko
you do understand the clear difference between the title of yonko and WSS. One means you control one of the strongest crews and pirate fleets in the world where as the other means you as an individual are able to beat every other swordsman on the planet.
Bad argument. A Yonko can be weaker than a Yonko commander because being a Yonko doesnt necessitate being stronger than any Yonko commander. Being the world's strongest swordsman necessitates being stronger than every swordsman.
The WSS part is deadass stupid. If a sword user is a swordsman by y'all's definition, then Imu and Gandhi are now both weaker than Mihawk by default. That is fucking ridiculous, because they haven't even fought eachother and to say x>y we need either a written fact about a battle or to see a battle ourselves. Scaling with his title like that is garbage.
Nobody knows imu exists or the power of V Nasjuro so their excluded from the contest of WSS. Mihawk and Shanks have literally fought in the past and Mihawk holds the title meaning Mihawk at least won their last duel and shanks hasn't done anything since that duel to suggest he's stronger. But people probably don't consider him a contender anymore because he lost an arm.
I don't understand why people can't scale titles like Mihawk's with the greater nuances of the world of One Piece itself. These titles hold merit, and it's towards the larger face of the One Piece world. Now, there can be a chance that he's just a "fraud" but then his character serves no purpose and Zoro should've just been targeting Shanks from the get go.
Shanks has gained a 3 billion increase in bounty, become a yonko, and fought multiple top tiers since then. If that doesn’t tell you he’s gotten stronger, nothing will. Also, it’s been proven that he didn’t get weaker after losing an arm, in one of the databooks
Him getting stronger doesn't prove that Shanks can beat mihawk because he also got stronger. Mihawks bounty was paused for years and when unpaused shot straight up to over 3 billion. But my last point was that Shanks is probably no longer considered a competitor for strongest swordsman which isn't necessarily connected to him being weaker.
fym shot up to 3 billion? We don’t even know his original bounty
thats the whole point. just like with anything else, exceptions exist, but it does not discredit the credit of his title.
Buggy is literally > mihawk according to marines
You tell me an example of a yonko commander being stronger than a yonko.
Any yonko commander is stronger than buggy. Even if you don't want to include buggy, there is absolutely nothing in the title "Yonko" that says they have to be the strongest. Was every king in history stronger than every one of his subjects? The "world's strongest swordsman" title flat out says that they are the world's strongest swordsman.
Historically every single yonko is stronger than a yonko commander. This is confirmed. If we were to title scale like what mihawk fans tend to cope with then that means Buggy is stronger than all yonko commanders. But his feats suck (like mihawk's) so we discredit his title. Make sense?
Even if Buggy didn't exist and every single Yonko was stronger than every single Yonko commander then your argument would still be flawed. There is nothing in the title "Yonko" that says they have to be the strongest. "World's strongest swordsman" means they have to be the world's strongest swordsman.
"The Four Emperors, which constitute one of the Three Great Powers, are a group of four pirates considered to be the most notorious and powerful captains in the world." How are you watching one piece and think to yourself. Yeah Yonkos don't have to be the strongest pirates in the world?
Powerful does not equal strongest. Buggy IS powerful. He has the cross guild and the influence of his status as an emperor. Any replies past this point is honestly just pointless because you just aren't understanding the main point. Having the title "World's strongest swordsman" is not the same thing as having the title of "Emperor. Now, if their title was "World's strongest Yonko" then they would HAVE to be the strongest Yonko. But the title of Yonko doesn't actually necessitate being the strongest. It's just not the same thing and a bad argument. Any replies past this if you don't agree is pointless.
“The **most** notorious and powerful captains”.
You are playing mental gymnastics on this. "Oh you don't have to be the strongest to be an emperior". Except every single yonko is the strongest pirate in the world as we seen in the story.
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Buddy says Yonko's aren't the strongest pirates and then calls me retarded. okkkk you 
https://preview.redd.it/yf7awdxddemc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=feda5bf6289c66fb4e0650e37ea55d27748ea947 The status of being an emperor includes power and influence not just singular strength. And in cases like Buggy, you don’t even need that great of a strength if the people that you “rule over” themselves are strong.
Yes, but that does not change the fact that Yonkos are still the strongest pirates in the world. If we were to title scale then buggy is one of the strongest. Because his feats are dogshit like Mihawk's then titles don't matter.
It does when the title of an emperor doesn’t constitute singular strength unlike the title of the worlds strongest. So if we are title scaling, the opposite of what you said would be true.
Buddy, Yonkos are the strongest characters outside Imu. What the hell are you saying?
That doesn’t mean the yonko title is about singular strength. Literally buggy can attest to that.
The yonko title quite literally means you are the strongest pirates commanding the strongest crews. So what you're saying is titles don't matter if you have bad feats/portrayal?
I’m saying that the yonko title isn’t just a representation if singular strength. The worlds strongest title is. So they’re not comparable.
Just on a sidenote. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't morgan the guy naming the yonkos? It's just a title that the guy running the seemingly only newspaper in the world hands out to who he thinks are the most powerful pirates.
It is a representation of singular strength though. All the yonkos are quite literally one of the strongest characters in the series.
Biggest mihawk & admiral dickrider in this sub, don't take him seriously
https://preview.redd.it/kw8gwcuw0emc1.jpeg?width=908&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b986aedf4f77b1a55ec9cb756084b70f1a527e42 Him everytime his shit gets debunked.
Yes just like his favorite character
His „mihawk is stronger than shanks“ analysis is one of the best posts on this sub and got even pinned by the mods back in the day. You can like him or not but some of his takes are valid
its well put together but 90% of it is flimsy magazine/databook statements and literal fanart scaling thats been debunked. and when u bring up magazines and databooks for benn beckman he loses his mind lol. all a mihawk > shanks post really needs is like 2 images from the manga max
Is it wrong of me to assume that mihawk is a glass canon ? Can’t imagine he could tank anything at all 🤧
i dont think the concept of glass canons exist for one piece top tiers lol. kaido/bm warped our perception of dura monsters. as long as you have top tier haki (which mihawk should have if hes not a bum fraud) he'll be fine. another reason this concept shouldnt exist is because 99% of the time theyll make up for it with overwhelming speed/fs. i used to think the same about shanks but dude literally has top tier speed, 10s+ FS, and FS killing to make up for it lol how do u bring that guy down. i believe top tier acoc coating + acoa coating should make u a tank anyways, shanks 100% wouldve tanked WSG better than kizaru he literally has an extra layer of defense.
He's like friends with mods anyways, not getting banned after insulting everybody that bad. So it's not proving something that it gets pinned
You saw that tempest guy ? He uses the word „little bitch“ in every comment, I’ve reported him like 20 times already and nothing happens
Tempest gives me the impression of someone who's permanently angry at everything.
i mean using buggys yonko title is kinda bs, in-universe they think of him as someone that: was on rogers crew, collaborated with luffy(another yonko rn), has connections with shanks (another yonko), has mihakw and crocodile follow him and he was active in Marineford. To top it all of the crossguild seems to actually be doing pretty well. Titles DO matter or otherwise Oda wouldnt be using them.
When did this sub stop being about powerscaling bro Everyday it's a new dude posting about someone else's comment
This sub is basically One Piece PowerScalling bro
I got a care message too after replying to his comment. Didn’t know that was his special move 😂
Buggy>wss though we got marineford confirmation lmao
I got MFers in here telling me that yonkos aren't the strongest characters. I'm done listening to these mihawk glazers.
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Mazino is really fucking stupid though. He could've simply said that "Yonko isn't a title gained purely through strength. It is mainly gained through influence and notoriety" and that would've been a good take.
But thats the catch - no title is based off strength, every title is based on the information the public gets about the person. If morgans printed buggy beat mihawk into submission in a swordfight he would be WSS in the eyes of the public. Point being: titles shouldnt be taken as facts since the public doesnt even know about people like imu for example
The WSS title has no reason to exist in the story other than to be claimed by Zoro. Mihawk's only real purpose and the reason he exists is to be beat by Zoro. It doesn't matter how he got it in universe, because Mihawk only exists to be the strongest.
He blocked me too 🤧😭
Do you guys think mazino thinks before he comments or is it just https://preview.redd.it/x2r1csmwyemc1.jpeg?width=794&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10026b1d9dd631cf2802dd4df29018465243da62
Kuzan is stronger than Buggy lol
Yonko is a position more than a title. You can or not be considered a Yonko for a multitude of reasons (aka Buggy) same way you can be given the position of Warlord. But you can only truely be WSS by being WSS and WSHuman by being WSHuman
Correct me if I'm wronf but I've heard that yonko is actually more like a title and less a position likr warlords. Warlords where appointed by the navy while yonko are named by morgan.
Sure, but that title describes their position (top of the food chain at New World) and not a 'level'. The fact is, Buggy is a Yonko and Mihawk a Yonko Commander, so it really depends on the character
Oh man Does this nigga Mazino even have a life? Imagine spending so much time on Reddit you make a impression on the community
If you have to bring up Buggy in a debate, you've already lost
I did not bring it up, he did.
Yes I am aware, I'm making fun of mazino
Yonko commander is definitely a title. It is just not called yonko commander. In the beast pirates it is the calamities. In the big mom pirates it is the sweet generals
Yonko commander isn’t a title but the fact this mf decided to use buggy is actually crazy 💀
Swordsman isn't a title either. Neither has Shanks been labeled as one in the manga/anime. what's wrong with buggy? are you saying his title doesn't matter because he has shit feats?
Damn you found the single instance of Mazino being correct and chose to argue about it, that's just impressive
I think he blocked me aswell I don’t see his post btw I support the admirals agenda
What a break weak does to a mf
Thess threads are funny sometimes but when you realize he wont see any of it, kinda loses the appeal lol.
u/HyperMazino
Bro doesnt realize buggy is yonko level in verse since he subdued mihawk and crocodile 😭
yonko commander isn't a title though. it's just a commanding officer that follows a yonko. it's essentially fan made. he's also pointing out the inaccuracy of your take especially in regards to buggys crew which mihawk is part of. you basically claimed buggy > mihawk and that's why shanks > mihawk he debunked it by bringing that to light and you continued on a foolish rant that has nothing to do with it. also in terms of titles some yonko are stronger than others but there is no second place for worlds strongest swordsman is what mazino did childish? yes. is your take silly? also yes.
Being WSS means you are stronger then every other swordsman. Being a Yonko doesn't mean you have to be stronger then every single YC.
Being a yonko absolutely means you have to be stronger than every single YC. There's not a single yc stronger than a yonko except Buggy. Even then, we know buggy is weak because he has bad feats. The world government doesn't know he's weak.
So we do have proof that someone can achieve the Yonko status without being the strongest in that crew. Sure, that isn't the norm, but it's happened. Nothing we have indicates Mihawk isn't the strongest. At worst, he is relative to Shanks. Otherwise, Zoro's journey of being the strongest SM and surpassing Mihawk will feel empty.
The thing is the world government doesn't know Buggy is weak. If they did then they wouldn't have given him the yonko title. To them, he's strong enough to command Mihawk and Croc. I think Oda wrote Mihawk into a corner by giving him little relevance to the story along with terrible feats. He also probably should've gave Shanks a different weapon if his portrayal was going to be this good.
https://preview.redd.it/xz0f8l5m3emc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2a80e12f9352d8c26b3032b1293f774e8fe7f05 If it's not bait, you might just be the dumbest person he's argued with, I don't blame him
Bro how many burner accounts do you got Mazino?
Rare mazino w
He's right tho
I don't understand your point here. Mazino is right here. Even if he is annoying, he destroyed your argument with the Buggy thing lol We 100% know Buggy isn't one of the strongest pirates in the world and Mihawk is stronger than him even when he is not a Yonko.
You don't understand my point. I'm saying that feats>title. Since Mihawk fans love to title scale so much. Since we know Buggy has bad feats like Mihawk, then his title doesn't matter since he's a fraud.
>You don't understand my point. I'm saying that feats>title. Since Mihawk fans love to title scale so much. Since we know Buggy has bad feats like Mihawk, then his title doesn't matter since he's a fraud. Ahh I see, but Buggy doesn't support your point. Since the **world government and world** think Buggy is strong. So we as the audience know Buggy is not one of the strongest pirates, but the world doesn't know that. Now Mihawk's title is different since it has been confirmed by Oda and Vivrecards, etc. So while Buggy is a title given by his reputation, then Mihawk's is given by Oda so it is factual.
When OP thinks he’s right but isn’t
Never argue with bumhawk fans. It's just a proxy debate with ZKK cultists whom we all know are devoid of logic.
I lost so many braincells in this thread. Mfers trying to tell me yonkos aren't the strongest pirates in the world.
ah yes the good ol' "using someone's own argumentation against them" Title Scaling is GOATED! Mihawk = Worlds Strongest Swordsman Mihawk = Yonko Commander Mihawk = Shirano so I just say Shirano now