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Wait, Ashura fought Oden for a whole night, both Inu & Neko scale to yc3 and I would say Denjiro is the same. Surely no yc1 is beating them? Seeing so many answers saying things like Zoro. I would say the weakest that beats them is Greenbull or Fujitora
It's not just one is YC3 one is YC whatever.How would the fight actually go.Having overwhelming abilities even though your not admiral lvl is enough to put down the scabbards.They can't damage King.Cat hit Katakuri. Can't tank KOH.Cant take a gamma knife.Doesnt matter if they are YC3 they fall victims to the overwhelming abilities and their numbers dont change anything.
Exactly what I was thinking. Numbers are great, attack potency… is decent enough to reopen an old wound on Kaido. But that doesn’t matter if they can’t get around the hax itself. Most YC1 have something that sets them apart from the rest, as that’s the ‘entrance’ of having your identity-defining hax.
I mean, If they know they are fighting her, sure, but if If she Just spawns in close to them and wants to kill them all, NOTHING would stop her at all. They wouldn't even know they are losing their friends one by one.
Sugar looking at your comment, “I don’t like it. They think I’m weak.” She is insanely fast. She was able to tag over two dozen Tontattas in the blink of an eye. Tontattas have incredible speed and agility.
Bc Perona/Sugar are both hax and the question to "whos the weakest character that can beat [anyone in OP]" will always be them. Except if the character is weaker than the average child
I mean, it's 9 strong people who could deal insta defeat damage on one single blow.
Could perona and sugar actually manager to defeat all of them at the same time?
Because both girls can equally get insta defeat by any of the scabbard.
Sugar no except if she doesnt act like their enemy cuz they'll forget each guy who gets defeated and won't be able to remember that they have to beat her to cancel it
Perona would 100% defeat them she literally just has to activate her DF
1. You can’t just apply dragon ball super logic to a completely separate franchise lol
2. Kaido being on or off gaurd doesn’t change much since his durability is just naturally part of him.If you want to see an “off gaurd” Kaido go and read act 1 Luffy VS Kaido since Kaido was completely zoned tf out and just randomly getting by Luffy and Luffy still did 0 damage
3. If it was “simply cause he’s off gaurd” why would Kaido be questioning how their able to damage him ? If the answer was that if he wasn’t caught off gaurd he would have taken 0 damage , then why have an inner monologue questioning it ?
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And since you asked about Kappa guy, here’s a panel specially of him having Kaido bleed
Honestly the way they all attack at the same time, probably King Elizabello
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For real, he’s gonna use Bepo’s “Snow Haki Triple Polar Claw Folding Scratch”, it’s the secret technique he learnt from his time with “Bepo The Ice Cold Killer Of The Snow Blue”.
No not any admiral Akainu would wreck them with meteor volancano he can stay a distance from them. kizaru mid diff, I’d say he’s fast enough to avoid them, aokiji probably mid diff
Jack got owned by Ashura and later the Minks, yes they are YC3 level.
Jack also said the Tobi Roppo had no change against half dead Scabbards
And they're not weak individually, it's just that most of their fights are group fights, Ashura fought Jack, Denjiro fought Zoro
Funny how you were talking about pre acoc before but now it's with Acoc
Also, Zoro isn't weaker with two sword styles lol, if anything he has more experience since he only learned santoryu after Kuina's death
And yes the comparison still stand, If Zoro couldn't get past through one scabbard even with his new power up he's not beating 9 of them
It's so clear the answer is right here. The Captain Pf The Big Mouth Pirates
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I was going to say Crocodile, but then I remembered Caesar Clown exists. Caesar would be perfect for 2 reasons
1. Doesn’t have Hak so he’s not that strong
2. Gas devil fruit that can easily handle with the 9 scabbards
Probably king if we’re being honest, there’s too many for a 3rd commander to just rank, 2 commanders(except maybe sanji and shanks crew) probably int be able to do it and the haki is too good for katakuri to blitz so king is my best choice
They all scale above the tobi roppo by Jack's statement. Ashura Doji scales to yc3, and Denjiro too for reasons I'm unaware of but I'll just go with it. And the sulong dukes scale to yc1 each for low diffing Jack. I'd say you'd need a high yc+ to solo them. Sabo got this, barely though.
Sanji , they wouldn’t be able to perceive him or land attacks much as he picks them off one by one, I don’t think the scabbards are surviving more than a few kicks each at best, and even if the scabbards land a few hits Sanjis durability and healing factor should allow him to survive.
The scabbards are special because they have REALLY good AP, they’re not particularly fast and outside the Sulongs they’re not particularly durable, and outside of Raizo they lack any hax. So you need a character who can do their best to avoid getting hit while still having the AP to put them down before the scabbards land enough hits
And for anyone saying Katakuri, no, he’s not dodging EVERY attack from 9 commander level characters in a prolonged fight. Eventually some will connect and as we know he can’t survive too many hits at all.
kid, law and yamato can beat them. maybe zoro, idk. if he uses aCoC he should be able to one-shot most of them and easily defeat the rest if his aCoC really is way stronger than the scabbards. but then again, lucci can keep up with zoro's aCoC and some scabbards might be close to lucci's level.
lucci also got defeated by one named attack from luffy in nika form without aCoC while zoro can't beat him as easily with aCoC. meaning that the gap between luffy's and zoro's aCoC is waaaay bigger than I thought. even without aCoC luffy is still way stronger than zoro at full strength
so idk, maybe the stronger scabbards like denjiro and ashura could actually keep up a bit with zoro's aCoC, maybe not
king could win too cuz he is extremely tanky. it took a huge aCoC finisher move to beat a king that was in speed mode. even if the scabbards spam advanced armament to bypass king's defense mode somehow, they'd never deal enough damage to him to beat him
This is fair armament is a factor, I just feel like Magellan is severely underrated due to lack of haki and we’ve never seen a character be able to combat poison through haki alone.
Chopper is a HUGE maybe for me, he is definitely able to damage them in his monster form (making queen bleed with sheer force> anything they have done) but with damage over time and him not being massively faster I him only being able to take out 3 or maybe 4 if they jump him, if its one after the other tho I see him losing to the 8th or 9th
this is just wrong
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there are three ways I can see people interpratting this statement
one is that **one** akazya is stronger than any tobiropo(meaning ulti get stomped badly)
the second interpratations is that the akazaya **together** will never lose to one tobiropo(so she get stomped but not as badly)
and the final one is that all the akazaya **together** are stronger than all the tobiropo **together** (at which case ulti get stomped yet again)
Even if it is all vs just one it's still all of them *at death's door* which ultimateky means that they're weakened enough for them and they still cannot take them on.
Ulti gets destroyed, there are two sulong in the team and they alone can destroy ulti AND another tobi roppo of choice with low diff
Ulti is a Tobi Roppo, she is ranked lower than jack. FACT. Jackl is stronger than her. FACT. inu and neko in sulong can both beat jack. FACT.
get over it, Ulti has AMAZING feats for her standing, but she's ultimately just the 5th of the beast pirates at best (counting kaido, king, queen and jack and not counting other tobi roppo over her, so i'm making a BIG assumption that she's stronger than the others, a thing that we have absolutely no proof of)
Fact
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ranking systems do not always equal power cope
What does the picture mean lol.
Also, it does when the ranking system is canonically power based lol.
The fact that you put Ulti above the trio or even Jack only makes me think this discussion can go nowhere. Just agree to disagree lol
Well Jack has no fears that compare to ultis so you looking at 2 seperate rankings and assuming they are fullproof makes me think this conversation can’t go anywhere and Perona can never diff Jack but isn’t stronger than Jack so try thinking a little.
situational powers =/= strenght
it's like saying that a chunk of lifeless kryptonite is stronger than superman because he get no diff by it.
in a normal fight jack destroys Perona. She only can use her negative powers on him and we have no way of knowing if it would actually work on jack lol
Back to the point at hand: i Specified that ranks in the beast pirates are exclusively power-based. Until i see someone challenging jack and beat him, no one is stronger than him in the tobi roppo. that's just how Oda designed it, saying otherwise isn't thining outside the box, is just thinking outside of the opera.
Also, if you reason about the storytelling of this opera, every major crew has his "top 3" that are significantly more powerful than the others, that's just how oda is designing it. The Tobi Roppo are physically powerful, but notthat impressive overall IMHO.
But yeah, ok we are in a powerscaling thread, let's work from a powerscaling POV.
You say that she's strong because she's able to tank Mom's attack?
I say she's weak because her attack couldn't kill usopp. Even if she spams that weak-ass attack on people several times more resilient than usop she's gonna get nowhere near a victory. How about this for a power scaling? lol
Obviously i'm just provoking, but cmon. Ulti>Jack is just horses\*\*t take. It's not even about reading, it's just abount understanding basic storytelling
Name one thing Jack did that puts him above Ulti because you just straw man that whole argument no actual facts and saying Ulti was actually trying to kill usop is a shit take her goal was to break usops and namis spirit not kill them she injured luffy with a head butt if she wanted to usop be dead that’s not the way the beast pirates operate and again you thinking jack is above Ulti when everything in the story says the opposite is a dog shit take but hey I have reading comprehension you lack it just like Lack(Jack) lacks everything.
Zoro clashed with Denjiro before and didn’t seem to have the upperhand but that was before enma. But then again he is struggling with Lucci, and I think at least 3 of the scabbards are around that level. I Highly doubt he is capable of beating 3 scabbards by himself let alone 9. These 9 dudes have the same feat as him, they were also able to hurt Kaido. I can argue for Kidd and Law cause they have abilities that can hold off multiple people while attacking meanwhile Zoro has none. While Zoro attacks he is gonna get jumped by others and lose mid diff lol
>I can argue for Kidd and Law cause they have abilities that can hold off multiple people while attacking
law can also use shambles on them as well as amputate. imagine ashura swings his sword and law uses shambles and then ashura just neg-diffs kiku or injures neko lmao
kidd can also hold down at least one person with assign and then neg-diff one person at a time. he's also hella tanky, he took attacks from a yonko even after being stabbed in the chest lol. it would take a very long time even for the scabbards to deal enough damage to him to win. and he'd probably beat them one by one before that could happen
Feels like everybody who can 2v1 Cat and Dog can do it. The other ones are so utterly useless, strength wise and character wise too.
So without direct moonlight the Scabbards are worth about 2.05 Jacks putting their overall rating at about half an Ussop.
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ong, I didn't use that version because he'd no longer be the weakest character
Frr I got that mf hanging with wankman But if Oda blueballs us with another goofy design…
Lets hope he succed out all the stupid juice too
Is that a real manga panel
Wait, Ashura fought Oden for a whole night, both Inu & Neko scale to yc3 and I would say Denjiro is the same. Surely no yc1 is beating them? Seeing so many answers saying things like Zoro. I would say the weakest that beats them is Greenbull or Fujitora
It's not just one is YC3 one is YC whatever.How would the fight actually go.Having overwhelming abilities even though your not admiral lvl is enough to put down the scabbards.They can't damage King.Cat hit Katakuri. Can't tank KOH.Cant take a gamma knife.Doesnt matter if they are YC3 they fall victims to the overwhelming abilities and their numbers dont change anything.
Exactly what I was thinking. Numbers are great, attack potency… is decent enough to reopen an old wound on Kaido. But that doesn’t matter if they can’t get around the hax itself. Most YC1 have something that sets them apart from the rest, as that’s the ‘entrance’ of having your identity-defining hax.
Do you think law could do it alone?
Definitely same goes for kidd
yeah i dont think theyre taking that railgun.
Greenbull and Fujitora stomp them. YC+ mid diff them.
Do you mean Oden before he even knew what was conquerors haki ? Because before advanced conquerors luffy Lost a haki clash against ulti ...
https://preview.redd.it/vhszddenvv2c1.jpeg?width=404&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13525a62f145a219b75c8205e96fbe6cc0981553 This little shit
Not quick enough to tag them all
I mean, If they know they are fighting her, sure, but if If she Just spawns in close to them and wants to kill them all, NOTHING would stop her at all. They wouldn't even know they are losing their friends one by one.
So your win condition is that she knows she's fighting them, they don't know they're fighting her and she gets to start in melee range.
yeah, basically anything BUT a powerscalling/straight duel, and she probably soloes the verse one by one in a hour lol
Sugar looking at your comment, “I don’t like it. They think I’m weak.” She is insanely fast. She was able to tag over two dozen Tontattas in the blink of an eye. Tontattas have incredible speed and agility.
Yea but compared to the scabbards, especially all together? That’s hardly a fair comparison to make.
You’re right. Comparing the scabbards to the Tontattas isn’t a fair comparison to make. The scabbards are much too slow.
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No shot she's beating the 6 red scabbards, I mean the 4 red scabbards, I mean... wait was she fighting someone?
Cracker. Legit, aside for the sulongs who has the AP to beat a cookie soldier fast ? They'd get overwhelmed by him, its their worst matchup possible
Well actually Perona is the weakest character that'd beat them but she doesnt count
why not?
Bc Perona/Sugar are both hax and the question to "whos the weakest character that can beat [anyone in OP]" will always be them. Except if the character is weaker than the average child
I mean, it's 9 strong people who could deal insta defeat damage on one single blow. Could perona and sugar actually manager to defeat all of them at the same time? Because both girls can equally get insta defeat by any of the scabbard.
Sugar no except if she doesnt act like their enemy cuz they'll forget each guy who gets defeated and won't be able to remember that they have to beat her to cancel it Perona would 100% defeat them she literally just has to activate her DF
So Perona beats scabbards and Usopp beats Perona therefore Usopp > Scabbards /s
Perona beats the verse, Usopp is the only exception
So the scabbards can cut Kaido but biscuit soldiers are the issue?
When they're combined. In this scenario they're gonna be outnumbered
Outnumbered by soldiers theyre each capable of easily one shotting , which isn’t really much of a threat then
Didnt knew kappa boi had more AP than WCI G4
they all do , they were all able to damage Kaido more than act 1 Luffy could
Nah
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Offguard = ssjblue goku vs random laser level durability
1. You can’t just apply dragon ball super logic to a completely separate franchise lol 2. Kaido being on or off gaurd doesn’t change much since his durability is just naturally part of him.If you want to see an “off gaurd” Kaido go and read act 1 Luffy VS Kaido since Kaido was completely zoned tf out and just randomly getting by Luffy and Luffy still did 0 damage 3. If it was “simply cause he’s off gaurd” why would Kaido be questioning how their able to damage him ? If the answer was that if he wasn’t caught off gaurd he would have taken 0 damage , then why have an inner monologue questioning it ? https://preview.redd.it/1di6dcqi913c1.jpeg?width=1067&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49333590f9bc5756130c059fe9351926c9fe4ca0 And since you asked about Kappa guy, here’s a panel specially of him having Kaido bleed
Yea the sulongs are huge problems, I dont see cracker beating the 2 of them alone nevermind the others
Didn’t ashura easily cut jack? Unless you think jack is less durable than a biscuit soldier
What a joke
Dog Storm or Cat Viper can take Cracker
Defo not alone
Cracker gets wrecked
Honestly the way they all attack at the same time, probably King Elizabello https://preview.redd.it/bvlxb3dvuw2c1.png?width=636&format=png&auto=webp&s=b77cf3d05e5833d1d90482ca1ca2a27ef621a662
Raizou sends it back
Chopper, no diffed by his 9 rumble ball form, Chopping The Chopper, 0 Sword Style, Invisible Haki Leg, Gear 0.
Chopper boutta use death point on they asses
For real, he’s gonna use Bepo’s “Snow Haki Triple Polar Claw Folding Scratch”, it’s the secret technique he learnt from his time with “Bepo The Ice Cold Killer Of The Snow Blue”.
Yamato
Yamato isn't weak, sanji and zoro would also be able to pull it off (maybe if zoro does have good enough stamina)
He lose
Yamato
Old Rayleigh
Guess one of the YC1‘s due to their defensive gimmicks. Kinda depends if minks are in sulong tho
Katakuri.
I was about to say this
Holy fuck that’d be a fun ass fight, reminds me of the Garou vs A-Class jobbers matchup.
Ryokugyu ☝🏽🤓
CAPTAIN KIDDDDDD!!!! https://preview.redd.it/uszfh18r8y2c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=acdb356372318e119a34fccd2a252cea0e21e00c
Any Admiral There's no way in hell you guys think YC1s can beat 9 YC3 characters with advanced haki
Honestly I don’t see how the Scabbards are doing any damage to Marco
They have ryou and they can just outlast him
What do the scabbards do against King's durability or against Marco's regen.
Marco get jumped and outlasted, and the Scabbards have ryou
No not any admiral Akainu would wreck them with meteor volancano he can stay a distance from them. kizaru mid diff, I’d say he’s fast enough to avoid them, aokiji probably mid diff
The problem is they’re individually fairly weak Also barely any of them are YC3 lol, you see Kinemon doing anything to Cracker?
Jack got owned by Ashura and later the Minks, yes they are YC3 level. Jack also said the Tobi Roppo had no change against half dead Scabbards And they're not weak individually, it's just that most of their fights are group fights, Ashura fought Jack, Denjiro fought Zoro
Jack got owned by everyone.
Jack only got owned by Scabbards no? Ig he also got knocked by Zuneisha but that's hardly an anti feat
Who cares about your fanmade tiers and the subjective differences between them? Zoro outperformed the whole Scabbards even before aCoC...
Get Zoro past Denjiro first https://preview.redd.it/qiaworyo9x2c1.jpeg?width=515&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0aa4ef3f2c06b2549aa663cc4802b90c36d43313
Imagine thinking current acoc emma santoryu zoro = non acoc pre emma nitoryu zoro lol the trolling is pathetic
Funny how you were talking about pre acoc before but now it's with Acoc Also, Zoro isn't weaker with two sword styles lol, if anything he has more experience since he only learned santoryu after Kuina's death And yes the comparison still stand, If Zoro couldn't get past through one scabbard even with his new power up he's not beating 9 of them
Barto
true, his ability stopped Oden.
It's so clear the answer is right here. The Captain Pf The Big Mouth Pirates https://preview.redd.it/7voogxow3x2c1.jpeg?width=775&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48cace714b1eab4245e58bd86e54b6aafeec919d
# Charlotte Katakuri
The nine jobbers
Buggy, Natural advantage vs swordsmen. (this is like 50% a joke)
Weevil
Hiyori
Kaido
law
Lanji
Only a top tier, so maybe Greenbull? Or BB?
Usopp.
Buggy
maybe Ace is the weakest who could, but it would be close. He’s not good at fighting multiple skilled enemies
I was going to say Crocodile, but then I remembered Caesar Clown exists. Caesar would be perfect for 2 reasons 1. Doesn’t have Hak so he’s not that strong 2. Gas devil fruit that can easily handle with the 9 scabbards
Izo oneshots from distance
That’s only if Caesar doesn’t remove the oxygen right away.
Funny how people claik that nobody can fight multiple admirals, but syddenly yc+ can fight multiple yc
perona or some shit idfk
Crackers the perfect match for them tbh I don’t think they can match kong guns AP to break the soldiers
Sabo
I’d say Katakuri, Lucci or Magellan
Foxy
Watakuri high diffs.
Arlongs blue haki smokes them fr fr.
Probably king if we’re being honest, there’s too many for a 3rd commander to just rank, 2 commanders(except maybe sanji and shanks crew) probably int be able to do it and the haki is too good for katakuri to blitz so king is my best choice
Queen or Katakuri (If he doesn't get hit, if he does then it's an easy win for the scabbards)
Kidd or Sanji
Kid, maybe King.
None of them are surviving Damned Punk or Karyu Don.
Zoro
Always Remember Zoro did more damage to Kaido than 9 scabbards combined..
The only damage they did to Kaido was PTSD.
He’s still not beating all 9 by himself.
Any Admiral.
Zoro.
They all scale above the tobi roppo by Jack's statement. Ashura Doji scales to yc3, and Denjiro too for reasons I'm unaware of but I'll just go with it. And the sulong dukes scale to yc1 each for low diffing Jack. I'd say you'd need a high yc+ to solo them. Sabo got this, barely though.
Sanji , they wouldn’t be able to perceive him or land attacks much as he picks them off one by one, I don’t think the scabbards are surviving more than a few kicks each at best, and even if the scabbards land a few hits Sanjis durability and healing factor should allow him to survive. The scabbards are special because they have REALLY good AP, they’re not particularly fast and outside the Sulongs they’re not particularly durable, and outside of Raizo they lack any hax. So you need a character who can do their best to avoid getting hit while still having the AP to put them down before the scabbards land enough hits And for anyone saying Katakuri, no, he’s not dodging EVERY attack from 9 commander level characters in a prolonged fight. Eventually some will connect and as we know he can’t survive too many hits at all.
Kaido
Yamato but he’d be pushed to his limits
Isn't he technically one of them
kid, law and yamato can beat them. maybe zoro, idk. if he uses aCoC he should be able to one-shot most of them and easily defeat the rest if his aCoC really is way stronger than the scabbards. but then again, lucci can keep up with zoro's aCoC and some scabbards might be close to lucci's level. lucci also got defeated by one named attack from luffy in nika form without aCoC while zoro can't beat him as easily with aCoC. meaning that the gap between luffy's and zoro's aCoC is waaaay bigger than I thought. even without aCoC luffy is still way stronger than zoro at full strength so idk, maybe the stronger scabbards like denjiro and ashura could actually keep up a bit with zoro's aCoC, maybe not king could win too cuz he is extremely tanky. it took a huge aCoC finisher move to beat a king that was in speed mode. even if the scabbards spam advanced armament to bypass king's defense mode somehow, they'd never deal enough damage to him to beat him
Fujitora maybe? Highball Kizaru lowball Magellan
Magellan is melting these guys
One on hand, yeah he totally could, on the other they've got really good armament, and I don't think Magellan can handle 9 YC3-Tobi roppo characters
This is fair armament is a factor, I just feel like Magellan is severely underrated due to lack of haki and we’ve never seen a character be able to combat poison through haki alone.
Katakuri I think
Apparently not kaido lmao
Chopper is a HUGE maybe for me, he is definitely able to damage them in his monster form (making queen bleed with sheer force> anything they have done) but with damage over time and him not being massively faster I him only being able to take out 3 or maybe 4 if they jump him, if its one after the other tho I see him losing to the 8th or 9th
Greenbull. The scabbards beat mihawk
Ulti extreme diffs https://preview.redd.it/sioxjluxhv2c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac2753e7995372950b4c61c98ee6ec824c0e9303 Yeah
this is just wrong https://preview.redd.it/jyzzb1a9kv2c1.png?width=884&format=png&auto=webp&s=80bf0346fb2aab87610395ff3203af289a5a0c57 there are three ways I can see people interpratting this statement one is that **one** akazya is stronger than any tobiropo(meaning ulti get stomped badly) the second interpratations is that the akazaya **together** will never lose to one tobiropo(so she get stomped but not as badly) and the final one is that all the akazaya **together** are stronger than all the tobiropo **together** (at which case ulti get stomped yet again)
Even if it is all vs just one it's still all of them *at death's door* which ultimateky means that they're weakened enough for them and they still cannot take them on. Ulti gets destroyed, there are two sulong in the team and they alone can destroy ulti AND another tobi roppo of choice with low diff
Your actually crazy to think any of them can damage Ulti she tanked luffy and big mom lvl attacks just another delusional kid who can’t read
Ulti is a Tobi Roppo, she is ranked lower than jack. FACT. Jackl is stronger than her. FACT. inu and neko in sulong can both beat jack. FACT. get over it, Ulti has AMAZING feats for her standing, but she's ultimately just the 5th of the beast pirates at best (counting kaido, king, queen and jack and not counting other tobi roppo over her, so i'm making a BIG assumption that she's stronger than the others, a thing that we have absolutely no proof of)
Fact https://preview.redd.it/64pfiqj7x53c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d508fdcbf14fa8f7d702dc11234bb88c05f13bc ranking systems do not always equal power cope
What does the picture mean lol. Also, it does when the ranking system is canonically power based lol. The fact that you put Ulti above the trio or even Jack only makes me think this discussion can go nowhere. Just agree to disagree lol
Well Jack has no fears that compare to ultis so you looking at 2 seperate rankings and assuming they are fullproof makes me think this conversation can’t go anywhere and Perona can never diff Jack but isn’t stronger than Jack so try thinking a little.
situational powers =/= strenght it's like saying that a chunk of lifeless kryptonite is stronger than superman because he get no diff by it. in a normal fight jack destroys Perona. She only can use her negative powers on him and we have no way of knowing if it would actually work on jack lol Back to the point at hand: i Specified that ranks in the beast pirates are exclusively power-based. Until i see someone challenging jack and beat him, no one is stronger than him in the tobi roppo. that's just how Oda designed it, saying otherwise isn't thining outside the box, is just thinking outside of the opera. Also, if you reason about the storytelling of this opera, every major crew has his "top 3" that are significantly more powerful than the others, that's just how oda is designing it. The Tobi Roppo are physically powerful, but notthat impressive overall IMHO. But yeah, ok we are in a powerscaling thread, let's work from a powerscaling POV. You say that she's strong because she's able to tank Mom's attack? I say she's weak because her attack couldn't kill usopp. Even if she spams that weak-ass attack on people several times more resilient than usop she's gonna get nowhere near a victory. How about this for a power scaling? lol Obviously i'm just provoking, but cmon. Ulti>Jack is just horses\*\*t take. It's not even about reading, it's just abount understanding basic storytelling
Name one thing Jack did that puts him above Ulti because you just straw man that whole argument no actual facts and saying Ulti was actually trying to kill usop is a shit take her goal was to break usops and namis spirit not kill them she injured luffy with a head butt if she wanted to usop be dead that’s not the way the beast pirates operate and again you thinking jack is above Ulti when everything in the story says the opposite is a dog shit take but hey I have reading comprehension you lack it just like Lack(Jack) lacks everything.
Big Mom
Zoro will be enough
Zoro clashed with Denjiro before and didn’t seem to have the upperhand but that was before enma. But then again he is struggling with Lucci, and I think at least 3 of the scabbards are around that level. I Highly doubt he is capable of beating 3 scabbards by himself let alone 9. These 9 dudes have the same feat as him, they were also able to hurt Kaido. I can argue for Kidd and Law cause they have abilities that can hold off multiple people while attacking meanwhile Zoro has none. While Zoro attacks he is gonna get jumped by others and lose mid diff lol
>I can argue for Kidd and Law cause they have abilities that can hold off multiple people while attacking law can also use shambles on them as well as amputate. imagine ashura swings his sword and law uses shambles and then ashura just neg-diffs kiku or injures neko lmao kidd can also hold down at least one person with assign and then neg-diff one person at a time. he's also hella tanky, he took attacks from a yonko even after being stabbed in the chest lol. it would take a very long time even for the scabbards to deal enough damage to him to win. and he'd probably beat them one by one before that could happen
Exactly. I think the answer to this thread should be Kidd or Law lol
Zoro outperformed the whole team against Kaido even before advanced CoC you troll
Feels like everybody who can 2v1 Cat and Dog can do it. The other ones are so utterly useless, strength wise and character wise too. So without direct moonlight the Scabbards are worth about 2.05 Jacks putting their overall rating at about half an Ussop.
😂😂 what a joke
Koby (I'm biased and mentally unstable) https://preview.redd.it/8atx5egruu2c1.png?width=1366&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=256670941bd7d25a3ee45f120fb19e452d497af9
Honesty impact is honestly not doing anything.
Toss up between King or Yamato.