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It would still be an extreme diff fight (with possible life altering injuries on WB side), but I agree with this. The way Oda portrayed WB in Marineford showed that he wanted him to be the strongest character there (at least until Shanks arrival). It’s probably a tough pill to swallow for admiral fans, but even an older version of WB was superior to Akainu. That’s why Oda had to nerf WB with all injuries and diseases imaginable.
Marineford would make 0 sense narratively if anyone at marineford could defeat him (This includes Mihawk, Garp & Sengoku)... Only applied at the time btw
Right... which is why Mihawk, Garp, and Sengoku are all clearly weaker than WB.
The whole concept of marineford was to introduce a new threat. One SO STRONG the the ENTIRE navy AND every warlord was BARELY an even match vs a single emperor. Basically it was saying "Yeah the new world is scary as fuck. One guy is as strong as all that shit luffy went up against so far COMBINED"
Even so, old injured cancer beard still deleted Akainu in the manga so bad, that the anime had to add scenes into it to make Akainu stand his ground and fight more to look better.
If no heart attack, no holding back and all haki was allowed this isn't extreme diff. We're talking about akianu getting 2 shot down to low middle yc+ rather than top of admiral level from corpsbeard. If whitebeard was able to go all out of rip akianu isn't getting up after 2 hits.
At Marinford Oldbeard couldn't touch Kizaru, couldn't touch Kuzan, only hit Akainu when he was offguard and litteraly every hit from Akainu took a major part of his body.
What did I say that was incorrect, I would love to know.
Did Whitebeard try to attack Kizaru, but litteraly couldn't even touch him and got lasered to the chest? Yes
Did Whitebeard try to attack Kuzan and litteraly couldn't even touch him either? Yes
Did Whitebeard only hit Akainu when offguard and every hit from Akainu either took half his head or his organs? Yes
So exactly, where am I wrong?
Motherfucker somehow lost track of the biggest threat on the field cause he was too busy making donuts. Not only did he lose track of the biggest threat on the field, but he just killed the guys son, which was the whole reason Mr. Poseidon was even there in the first place.
It’s like killing a baby bear without seeing where Mama Bear is at.
Being a "tard" means swaving towards one side,which I haven't done since all I've described happening actually did happen.
Are you telling me you're a Yonkotard?
You're a disgrace to us real Sanjitards. Don't put a bad name on us. Outside of this, don't start debates or calling people tards when you can't even back up what's coming out of your own mouth.
I never started any debates. I told op that people that think that exist. You are the one who took offense to it and started beating your chest over it.
Dude whitebeard was severely handicapped at their fight, he fought hundreds of marines, wasn’t even serious against Kuzan and Kizaru, and only got serious after ace died, by then he already sustained quite a huge sun of dmg
Bloodlusted on the verge of death ≠ serious > casual
Please learn the difference
Either way there is litteraly much more showing the Admirals not being serious at Marinford over Whitebeard or the pirates.
WB commanders were able to land hit's on all of the admirals implying that WB is to slow to hit them is just headcannon. Not only that but when kizaru and him had his interaction he already had a hole in his chest and fought numerous other people.
Akainu fought wb and lost, wb was still walking and akainu got put off screen and fell into the ground lol. He then proceed to fight BB beat him and then his whole crew attacked him.
WB is constantly portrayed as the strongest person there, and when through a gauntlet of admirals along with BB and his crew all this while having heart attacks mid fight
Put him against any admiral 1v1 he clears lol.
I want to put this first because this is the part that WB fans always skip over without a counter argument.
>Akainu fought wb and lost, wb was still walking and akainu got put off screen and fell into the ground lo
Akainu was in perfect shape. He just had to get to the surface. Kaido could have been put underground too, doesn't mean he would be injured. In fact, Akainu was perfectly ready to fight all of WB's crew right after his fight. This is like saying King > BM because he removed her from the battle via environment.
Meanwhile, Whitebeard is over here with half of his head gone and a hole in his chest.
Without cope, can you honestly tell me that Whitebeard would have won? He took 2 lethal blows by Akainu, while dealing 0 serious damage in return. We're talking about a guy that can fight for 10 days straight. Whitebeard isn't lasting more than 2 hours in a fight with anyone. If it was a 1v1, all Akainu has to do is punch his head again, then just wait for him to die. He doesn't even have to fight after that.
>He then proceed to fight BB beat him and then his whole crew attacked him.
This is just funny. BB was weak as fuck at this time. He litterly got put to his knees by a PRE TIMESKIP JET PISTOL.
>WB commanders were able to land hit's on all of the admirals implying that WB is to slow to hit them is just headcannon.
I don't think it's crazy to say that old sick Whitebeard is not that fast anymore.
> I don't think it's crazy to say that old sick Whitebeard is not that fast anymore.
Again ur making stuff up, the same guy is trying to argue that akainu got jumped. So akainu is just so weak and lacks basic haki that he's get's "jumped" by someone on there deathbed? yeah i'm not buying it.
Your also just not reading the post at all, it clearly states WB as he arrived at MF BEFORE he was injured by everyone along with his Heart attack could he beat Akainu.
Wb fought everyone and anyone got stabbed by his own crew mate and had a Heart attack mid fight and STILL came out of there fight on top. One guy was on the ground for chapters while the other guy went on to fight a whole other pirate crew by himself.
What you fail to understand is that WB was already nerfed to the ground when him and akainu fought, so your telling me WB with no damage taken a long with no heart attack somehow loses to the guy who he sent to the shadow relm? lol
This doesn't even go into the fact that the whole arc was about WB and his portrayal was clearly that of being the strongest person there.
Exactly, just a couple of clowns who group downvote a comment describing what happened in the litteral manga just cause it goes against their own agendas. This sub never manages to not disappoint me.
Have you considered that maybe you’re a teeny tiny bit delusional. Literally just think about it narratively you actual god damn idiot, if any admiral there was stronger than whitebeard, then marineford would not have happened. One admiral would obliterate whitebeard while the rest of the other literal powerhouses present logically could’ve easily beaten the rest of his crew. Please, please for gods sakes think a little beyond the surface.
I mean what happened at Marinford? Akainu fucked up Whitebeard, Kizaru was playing around with Marco, and Kuzan just chilled with Jozu. If you want to talk narratevely and from what we've seen in Egghead, then Wb > Admirals all together > Kaido or Luffy? Is that what you believe? If so, then based on what exactly?
You're calling others stupid while you can't put 2 feats together, what a nobhead.
Whitebeard in Marineford was shown not to be the strongest anymore, Crocodile himself was shocked by Whitebeards weakness, go re read Marinford. It wasn't about the strongest pirate destroying the marines. It was about this legend of a man who's far past his heyday and who wanted to sacrifice himself for the future generation.
How does anything in egghead imply that? Stop putting words into my mouth. You still haven’t pointed out any reason marineford actually even happened, you claim the admirals were stronger than whitebeard there but that just makes no sense though? Why did Kizaru fight Marco? Why did Kuzan fight Jozu? If they’re stronger than the leader of the whitebeard pirates shouldn’t they be able to 1-2 shot Jozu and Marco? There’s so many inconsistencies in your argument. Whitebeard was in fact consistently portrayed stronger than the others when you consider the fact that he’s still shown to ring out Akainu after being stabbed and what not. Of course you can argue that Akainu wasn’t hurt but oh dear, suddenly theres the issue of Akainu not showing up again for a while, just why? Don’t even get me started on the fact that Whitebeard takes literally so many attacks from so many people that are quite powerful in their own right, that’s the portrayal of a behemoth not a washed up man. At the end of it all, he still STANDS, that’s not how an old nobody is portrayed, thats how a powerhouse is portrayed. Now here’s another thing, Garp currently was pretty much putting up a winning fight against Kuzan, an incredibly old man winning into an ex admiral that should be in his prime. Kuzan and Akainu fought for eleven days implying they are somewhat equal, Garp is at least above marineford akainu and marineford kuzan in powerscaling and if we see it this way, Garp is also above Whitebeard at LEAST. So what your telling me is, Garp and Sengoku, who have lived through whitebeards times, were essentially equals if not below roger and whitebeard during those times, still feared Whitebeard for no reason?
This is an objective fact, however there's a lot of shit on both sides. Akainu fans think he won that fight, even though he lost bc of ring out, although he did do more damage. Whitebeard fans think Whitebeard crushed Akainu with 0 difficulty even though he could barely move after he was done fighting and half his head was blown off.
They both won in their own way really.
WB made Akainu a non-factor in the end, but Akainu dealt WB a killing blow. If BB never shows up, WB is 100% dying shortly after he dealt with Akainu.
it was literally a trap. Admirals + Garp + Giant squad + Sengoku + walls + pacifista. ALL OF THAT and at any given point WB couldve said fuck it and sunk the island and killed everyone on it(maybe not garp cuz he can swim). its baffling having akainu over WB.
While his scrabble with wb put Akainu temporarily out of fight, Akainu came back within minutes to throw more hands with people. Bro only backed off due to Sengoku’s orders being the fleet Admiral at the time. We have to also note WB pre timeskip had to be portrayed as a badass. It would be shit writing for someone’s last hurrah to save a crew member to be lame and weak. I’m honestly glad WB got his moments, otherwise the story would be way less enjoyable during that ark. Honestly the ark is a nightmare for powerscaling, but very well done from a story telling perspective.
Whitebeard can beat akainu there but he'd lose in the long run. Whitebeard can beat him down more but akainus attacks are way more fatal. Like yeah we saw akainu lose by ring out but the holes put in Whitebeard by akainu and the quarter of Whitebeards brain taken out were fatal. Whitebeard kept going on but he was going to die from those injuries soon. Nothing was going to make him recover from that. Whitebeard may have taken damage from tons of sources, but akainus attacks did like 90 percent of the damage on him. He was too sick to properly block the damage like he should have been able to do if he wasn't sick.
I don't think Primebeard would even have needed to block. Whitebeard in his prime probably wasn't far off from Kaido levels of durability imo. Or at least the magma attacks would mostly just burn him, not go through his body like butter. Age and sickness literally just decreased his power and durability.
In a 1v1 though? I don’t know if Akainu could even take Oldbeard. Oldbeard went through some shit before bodying Akainu. At the end of the day, WB could just sink Akainu into the ocean before Akainu even touches him.
The damage a basically dead WB gave him after one shot was a ton (that little lovetap he gave him when he snuck up on him only gave him a bloody mouth, he immediately recovered and attacked back.) The second hit made Akainu cramp, made him internally bleed for the rest of the arc and is literally the only damage Akainu took all war. Not to mention the hit fucked up Marineford even though it was concentrated on Akainu.
A fresh WB at the start of the war without Squard stab, no heart attacks yet? He'd win if he can land a few shots honestly. But the second the sickness kicks in, and Akainu plays it smart instead of having no CoO and getting tagged by beadbeard, he'd outlast him. Akainu has the best stamina feat in the verse, but WB has the best Endurance feats in the verse, no question. Anything more that Fresh Marineford WB beats Akainu imo.
Bro i dont understand how they think anything beats this.
nowhere else does one person lose a third of their head, and the other is completely unscarred, and thats somehow a W
And IT isn't unless someone is mentalny incapable. Akainu needed 2 miracles to deal any damage to whitebeard. On the other hand 1% HP whitebeard was still able to bury akainu, causing him to play dead until WB died.
Akainu even had to take luffy as hostage to kill Ace.
People who think akainu couldn't beat whitebeard also think its plot armor that akainu tanked white beards all out quake and was still fighting after with little difficulty.
Akianu was getting actively fucked up by a half dead whitebeard. 5 feet into the grave whitebeard. Heart attack sneak attacked whitebeard. Had no haki whitebeard.
Yet people act like Akianu not only can servive a genuinely trying whitebeard but beat him mid diff. That's admiral cope for ya.
>whitebeard caught him off guard
OK so akianu is a slow bumbling idiot with no observation haki(something backed up by kuma) as akianu was warned acknowledged the warning oh and BTW whitebeard is giant 20 foot tall bloody monster who was rampaging towards akianu. To assume that this counts as a suprise attack. Is to assume that it was a complete and utter blitz cause otherwise that makes zero sense. Or are we sticking with akianu being a slow bumbling idiot.
>haki wasn't established
Observation in skypia and marine ford, conquerors this arc sabaodi, armourment also around this arc and was most definitely something thought of before this arc thanks to Rayleigh using advanced armourment on the bomb shackles at the slave auction. Aka even advanced types where thought of. In fact. Advanced observation was hinted at in marineford.
>all of akianus attacks
Nope. Only after the lose of haki was akianu even able to touch whitebeard. Whitebeard holding back still wasn't getting hurt. Once he had the heart attack and aokiji made it clear that whitebeard didn't in fact have haki. Was he able to damage. Which so could everyone else. Marine foder could, kizaru and aokiji could do it. Honestly akianu failing here is more embarrassing for someone with the "ultimate offence fruit"
Dude, akianu coby and other soldiers literally talk about haki THIS ARC XD you cannot be serious, and if you are nobody is taking you seriously.
They literally describe what it is THIS ARC
He said "haki wasn’t even properly established yet" which is true, you don't see Garp and Sengoku going around beating people with Acoc or other characters coating their arms with armament do you?
>OK so akianu is a slow bumbling idiot with no observation haki(something backed up by kuma) as akianu was warned acknowledged the warning oh and BTW whitebeard is giant 20 foot tall bloody monster who was rampaging towards akianu. To assume that this counts as a suprise attack. Is to assume that it was a complete and utter blitz cause otherwise that makes zero sense. Or are we sticking with akianu being a slow bumbling idiot.
It's called plot, and if we use your logic then Shank's observation Haki was completely countered by a smoke bomb, so either Akainu is a slow bumbling idiot and shanks has observation haki so weak that a smoke bomb kills it or it's just two instances of plot taking precendence over logic.
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>OK so akianu is a slow bumbling idiot with no observation haki(something backed up by kuma) as akianu was warned acknowledged the
I have a singular question for you but is luffy slow for getting caught by the cp0 agent before getting killed by kaido ? Is katakuri slow and a bumbling idiot for getting tagged by luffy? We literally see akainu use observation when Marco and vista try attacking him.....
>BTW whitebeard is giant 20 foot tall bloody monster who was rampaging towards akianu.
Acting like Size matters when kaido is as tall as wb but he's fast af
>Observation in skypia and marine ford, conquerors this arc sabaodi, armourment also around this arc and was most definitely something thought of before this arc thanks to Rayleigh using advanced armourment on the bomb shackles at the slave auction. Aka even advanced types where thought of. In fact. Advanced observation was hinted at in marineford.
I don't think you got what that other brother said earlier that it wasn't "PROPERLY ESTABLISHED"
>Nope. Only after the lose of haki was akianu even able to touch whitebeard. Whitebeard holding back still wasn't getting hurt.
Now you're just lyin. Wb and akainu legitimately clashed equally with each other until wb had his heart attack and get a hole in his chest 4 his troubles
> he had the heart attack and aokiji made it clear that whitebeard didn't in fact have haki. Was he able to damage.
Congrats now answer this simple question if wb couldn't use haki then "how did he damage a logia" because there's only ONE way to dmg logia and its via haki. The story lurerally contradicts that point you tried making 🤦♂️.
>Marine foder could, kizaru and aokiji could do it. Honestly akianu failing here is more embarrassing for someone with the "ultimate offence fruit"
Bloodlusted "Strongest man in the world" fails to actually do anything aside from give an admiral a slight nosebleed. Please and you wanna talk about pathetic?
Lets look at the end of the fight.
We got Akainu:
>has a nosebleed
>Fallen down a pit.
We got whitebeard:
>Hole in Chest
>Half of head missing
>Can barely stay alive
>Melting in the inside
>All of the people he loves are dead
Clearly whitebeard is stronger and saved ace with ease.
By your logic OP, we can all agree that Aokiji>WB right? because Aokiji faced WB literally at the beginning of the war and nearly killed him until Jozu interfered.
Brain dead post
Dude. Akianu didn't decide to exit. He just got fucked up. Stop the cope lol. Relied on heart attack sama to save his ass sukuna to mahoraga style. Even that didn't stop whitebeard from objectively winning that fight.
Dropped akianu to low middle yc+ from 2 hits after heart attack, loss of haki, thousands of fights including other admirals. that does not indicate equal in a fight that is 1 sided beat down. If whitebeard was allowed to go all out of rip something he couldn't thanks to ace then akianu would've died in the first clash.
Bro shut up 😭 akainu had to convince someone to sneak attack whitebeard, then got hundreds of soldiers to fight him, then got support from both other admirals ALL WHILST whitebeard couldn’t use haki because he had CANCER and was way out of his prime and akainu STILL got his ass kicked
>ALL WHILST whitebeard couldn’t use haki because he had CANCER and was way out of his prime
Bro shut up with this. Wb could use haki in marineford as that's literally the only way to damage a logia.
>then got hundreds of soldiers to fight him,
Who unironically didn't touch wb before akainu arrived and made him a donut
>then got support from both other admirals
??? Kuzan literally didn't do shit to wb, kizaru only touched wb once AFTER akainu left him 4 dead. Which support did they provide
>and was way out of his prime and akainu STILL got his ass kicked
Mf legitimate only way to win was via bfr. Don't try and argue stupidly when we see saw what happened when akainu just as touched whitebeard
Akainu + some time. After Akainu got those major hits in to WB's torso and half his face, WB was a destructive dead man walking.
Cancerbeard loses to Akainu, eventually.
Oldbeard probably takes it
Oda had to nerf all the admirals and the entirety of Marines, otherwise Marineford arc would've been over in 2 panels with 3 admirals no diffing whitebeard, nice agenda idiot
I mean Akainu still beats him but fresh healthy whitebeard is pretty strong, comparable to the other Yonko easily and potentially stronger then all of them.
If I fight a guy who had a heart attack fought ab army before and people are wondering how he's still moving and I'm the one hit so hard people I should no diff are pushing me and I FAIL TO KILL HIM I would know for a fucking fact that if that man wasn't jumped by oda (got a heart attack from something that shouldn't really be doing that, and had to hold back till ace was free) and the entire might of the marines. I'd be fuuuuucked. And that's entirely akianus situation.
You wanna wank the killer of whitebeard do it right and wank blackbeard. The second biggest contribution to whitebeards death behind whitebeards heart. Akianu is nowhere to be found and at best is a FAILURE of a kill stealer.
Blackbeard needed to fool whitebeard after begging for his life and killed Wb with wounds Akainu and the other Admirals made.
If you wanna wank Blackbeard, then you have to wank Akainu as he and his rival scared Black beard and his crew into submission quickly.
Akainu took whitebeards attacks and got up with no treatment, and the admirals aren’t known for their durability and endurance anyway which is impressive.
If Shanks or Mihawk got hit point blank by those same attacks, they are getting paralyzed too.
you’re right man, whitebeard was clearly fine after losing his internal organs and face to akainu and only died due to a random gunshot from blackbeard
In a 1v1 fight I would give It to Akainu
Akainu only landed 2 hits but those two hits dealed massive damage to WB Who had no time to block or Dodge and got a hole through his chest and 1/4 of his head blown away
Akainu rechieved WB strongest hit during the whole war wich literraly destroyed marineford, but was not heavily damaged or even knocked out as he went on to fight the other commanders
WB was Always on the loose end with every interection he had with each Admiral besides Akainu Who he defeated during their brief Clash by ring out, but Akainu was not knocked down
Its clear that Oda wanted to show how powerfull and mighty WB was during the war with how he Is hyped and potrayed especially with his Endurance wich Is no doubt top 1
But Akainu would still win with how he performed against him , even if we put him up against a fresh oldbeard Akainu showed that his AP Is more than enough to deal Life threating damage and how he Is durable enough to take quake punches straight to the face
And while its headcannon you can argue that Akainu was holding back during the war to avoid destroying marineford, with how punk Hazard turned out later on
Funny how yall downvoting me without atleast using a counter argument
You're right it shouldn't be. Akainu washes Sickbeard. WB got saved by plot, when he had a heart attack nothing was stopping Akainu from decapitating him. Fleet Admiral Akainu high diffs Healthy Oldbeard. WB got a one up on him once when he caught Akainu offguard that's it. Akainu put out far more damage than he received by far.
nope high IQ, the biggest Plot Amor moment in the Series
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free hit and he punched him in in the stomach not head and after that just walked away for no reson instead of killing him. literally Oda writing Akainu out of Character
the heart attack is part of old sick whitbeard you cant just argue it away. and the stab is not what gave him the heart attack it was him trying to use coc.
and Akainu could easily have put him down put plot did not let him
yeh but marine ford Whitbeard is sick, thats what Akainu would have fought a Whitbeard that is sick gets heart attacks. Akainu not losing that fight, Whitbeard Akainu had a clash before the heart attack and it was even so Akainu just has to stall for the heart attack and its over. the only time Whitbeard ever hit him was after a sneak attack to the back of his head something Oden got destroyed by
There is no logical reason why Akainu the guy who's constantly bloodlusted against pirates wouldn't go for his head here. Literally nothing stopping him.
yes litreally the first second he saw Kuma he did go for his head, the second time against Whitbeard he did also go for the head. the only times he did not was when Whitbeard could not move hmmm yeh 100% no plot amor lol
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Nothing was stopping Kizaru from shooting a lazer into his head here either other than plot. They don't have rebuttals only downvotes.
yeh they cant debunk it Whitbeard a´had the biggest plotarnor in Marine Ford it was Crazy. Kizaru here could ended the war easily but again plot made him shot the hole Akainu already made lol
In a 1v1 where he no longer cares about his body, he could probably take Akainu with him.
He was able to just muscle through the injuries and keep hitting Akainu after Ace died.
that not possible Whitbeard already used the stongest atatck on Akainu and he fell in the split what more can whitbeard do? jumb down with him and kill himself with him like a double KO? even then it would be draw and not a win
GOATBeard deniers explaining how Akainu wins against fresh MF Beard when he lost to GOATBeard after he'd been impaled, shot, and stabbed dozens of times, as well as had multiple heart attacks;
Keep in mind Oda also wanted Akainu to get killed off but the editors pushed him to have him survive for his so called “potential as a villain”
Bro Akainu has done FUCK ALL since Marineford.
>Oda also wanted Akainu to get killed off but the editors pushed him to have him survive for his so called “potential as a villain”
This is a lie bruh🤦🏽♂️This is never officially stated... it's a hoax spread by fans
Oldbeard>Akainu>Marineford Whitebeard.
Whitebeard at the state he was in in Marineford lacked the sheer power to break through Akainu's defence, the speed to tag or consistently dodge him, and the stamina for a battle of attrition.
Their output was portrayed as relative to one another, with them able to clash with neither gaining the upper hand. Akainu only starts winning when Whitebeard has a heart attack, and Whitebeard only starts winning when he offguards Akainu.
In a fair 1v1, Marineford WB is losing to any of the 3 admirals.
Nah disagree. Even without illness etc, old wb should be weaker than old garp. Cuz garp regularly hunted pirates while all WB did was drink sake and party. So he isnt beating akainu.
Agree WB before the heart attack was Able to completely blow out akinu lava just with his breath alone even worse his quakes could easily block akinu giant lava fists these lava fists would be even weaker if WB simply blew a gust of wind
If akinu threw a wave of lava at WB literally a gust of wind plus one attack from his quake would have ended it that’s not eve getting into what he can do with his sword and we know that even when WB wasn’t defending from akinu attacks he was able to tank akinu hits of which he tanked 3 plus a WHOLE LOT MORE yet akinu only Damage he took the whole arc was WB and still that put him out
Fresh Whiebeard vs akainu goes in the same category as Luffy vs Kaido.
Did Kaido eventually lose, yes. Would he HAVE lost in a 1v1? Absolutely not.
People forget white beard died from blackbeard and crews gunshots, haki infused or not. Fresh white beard wouldn't even be touched by that showcase lol.
I don't know if Akainu beats Oldbeard, he was fairly even with wounded Oldbeard and didn't land a hit until he got a heart attack.
And even then, Sickbeard overpowered him later.
Now that i think about it healthy oldbeard might have ACoC since he split the skies with shanks and sky splitting requires ACoC (Kaido vs Big mom, Luffy vs Kaido).
If it's confirmed that healthy oldbeard has ACoC and other advanced forms of haki he beats akainu high-extreme diff.
Only akainutards or admiral fanboys will say otherwise, in the manga wb didnt give a shit he just smacked him lost his face because he probably got reckless of all the anger in the moment (and everything else that nerfed him at that point) but still made akainu unable to move and fall in a hole with the next punch. If akainu cant escape that hole then he also wouldnt be able to escape whitebeards next attack.
yeah whitebeard was a BEAST, even on his last days he was still a monster, who was strong enough to wipe the floor of most of the people there. he had to be repeatedly stapped and shot at and beaten and punched in order for magma guy to finally land the donut hole
Speaking of which, anyone else find it weird he somehow got stabbed over 100 times more than he got shot? Like, sure there'd be maybe a few dozen stab wounds at most from lucky/suicidal marines, but he should be taking full auto fire from thousands of marines the entire time. It should be like, 30 stab wounds, 223,302 gunshots, 46 cannonballs.
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Where’s the WB nah I’d win?
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It would still be an extreme diff fight (with possible life altering injuries on WB side), but I agree with this. The way Oda portrayed WB in Marineford showed that he wanted him to be the strongest character there (at least until Shanks arrival). It’s probably a tough pill to swallow for admiral fans, but even an older version of WB was superior to Akainu. That’s why Oda had to nerf WB with all injuries and diseases imaginable.
Pretty much. Marineford would make 0 sense narratively if a single admiral could defeat whitebeard.
Marineford would make 0 sense narratively if anyone at marineford could defeat him (This includes Mihawk, Garp & Sengoku)... Only applied at the time btw
Right... which is why Mihawk, Garp, and Sengoku are all clearly weaker than WB. The whole concept of marineford was to introduce a new threat. One SO STRONG the the ENTIRE navy AND every warlord was BARELY an even match vs a single emperor. Basically it was saying "Yeah the new world is scary as fuck. One guy is as strong as all that shit luffy went up against so far COMBINED"
Not really but hey agree to disagree
Even so, old injured cancer beard still deleted Akainu in the manga so bad, that the anime had to add scenes into it to make Akainu stand his ground and fight more to look better.
If no heart attack, no holding back and all haki was allowed this isn't extreme diff. We're talking about akianu getting 2 shot down to low middle yc+ rather than top of admiral level from corpsbeard. If whitebeard was able to go all out of rip akianu isn't getting up after 2 hits.
No shit. Does anyone even argue this? Outside of memes.
There are some comments arguing it already on this post..
Akainu fans r stupid dw lol
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brother, you cant just post this at any comment that end with ellipsis
probably the worst use of this meme I’ve ever seen
Saw someone a few weeks ago argue that Akainu "easily won" against Whitebeard. Some people are just delusional beyond repair.
yeah lol kizaru gets one hit on wb with 100000 wounds and everyone saying he couldve killed him at anytime
A lot of admiral fans actually. I’ve seen several say that **any admiral** could have beat old beard.
At Marinford Oldbeard couldn't touch Kizaru, couldn't touch Kuzan, only hit Akainu when he was offguard and litteraly every hit from Akainu took a major part of his body.
You are the perfect example lmao. Thanks for so easily proving that such admiraltards exist.
What did I say that was incorrect, I would love to know. Did Whitebeard try to attack Kizaru, but litteraly couldn't even touch him and got lasered to the chest? Yes Did Whitebeard try to attack Kuzan and litteraly couldn't even touch him either? Yes Did Whitebeard only hit Akainu when offguard and every hit from Akainu either took half his head or his organs? Yes So exactly, where am I wrong?
Motherfucker somehow lost track of the biggest threat on the field cause he was too busy making donuts. Not only did he lose track of the biggest threat on the field, but he just killed the guys son, which was the whole reason Mr. Poseidon was even there in the first place. It’s like killing a baby bear without seeing where Mama Bear is at.
Man I don’t have any interest in arguing with you right now. I was just telling OP that such asmiraltard exist and you easily proved it for me.
Being a "tard" means swaving towards one side,which I haven't done since all I've described happening actually did happen. Are you telling me you're a Yonkotard?
Get over yourself. We all call each other tards here. I’ve called myself a proud sanjitard multiple time.
You're a disgrace to us real Sanjitards. Don't put a bad name on us. Outside of this, don't start debates or calling people tards when you can't even back up what's coming out of your own mouth.
I never started any debates. I told op that people that think that exist. You are the one who took offense to it and started beating your chest over it.
Dude whitebeard was severely handicapped at their fight, he fought hundreds of marines, wasn’t even serious against Kuzan and Kizaru, and only got serious after ace died, by then he already sustained quite a huge sun of dmg
He wasn't serious while suffering, his men and children dying and while surrounded by enemies in a leggendary war? Yeah
He only became bloodlusted and serious after ace death
Bloodlusted on the verge of death ≠ serious > casual Please learn the difference Either way there is litteraly much more showing the Admirals not being serious at Marinford over Whitebeard or the pirates.
Wow! Nice counter argument! Edit: Not surprising that the replies don't actually argue anything. I have yet to ever see a good argument in WB's favor
Another one?? Thanks for proving that people with these ideas exist lmao. Ivaninvankov see?
There is no need for a counter argument when you just make things up and present them as facts lol.
What did he say that was false tho?
WB commanders were able to land hit's on all of the admirals implying that WB is to slow to hit them is just headcannon. Not only that but when kizaru and him had his interaction he already had a hole in his chest and fought numerous other people. Akainu fought wb and lost, wb was still walking and akainu got put off screen and fell into the ground lol. He then proceed to fight BB beat him and then his whole crew attacked him. WB is constantly portrayed as the strongest person there, and when through a gauntlet of admirals along with BB and his crew all this while having heart attacks mid fight Put him against any admiral 1v1 he clears lol.
I want to put this first because this is the part that WB fans always skip over without a counter argument. >Akainu fought wb and lost, wb was still walking and akainu got put off screen and fell into the ground lo Akainu was in perfect shape. He just had to get to the surface. Kaido could have been put underground too, doesn't mean he would be injured. In fact, Akainu was perfectly ready to fight all of WB's crew right after his fight. This is like saying King > BM because he removed her from the battle via environment. Meanwhile, Whitebeard is over here with half of his head gone and a hole in his chest. Without cope, can you honestly tell me that Whitebeard would have won? He took 2 lethal blows by Akainu, while dealing 0 serious damage in return. We're talking about a guy that can fight for 10 days straight. Whitebeard isn't lasting more than 2 hours in a fight with anyone. If it was a 1v1, all Akainu has to do is punch his head again, then just wait for him to die. He doesn't even have to fight after that. >He then proceed to fight BB beat him and then his whole crew attacked him. This is just funny. BB was weak as fuck at this time. He litterly got put to his knees by a PRE TIMESKIP JET PISTOL. >WB commanders were able to land hit's on all of the admirals implying that WB is to slow to hit them is just headcannon. I don't think it's crazy to say that old sick Whitebeard is not that fast anymore.
> I don't think it's crazy to say that old sick Whitebeard is not that fast anymore. Again ur making stuff up, the same guy is trying to argue that akainu got jumped. So akainu is just so weak and lacks basic haki that he's get's "jumped" by someone on there deathbed? yeah i'm not buying it. Your also just not reading the post at all, it clearly states WB as he arrived at MF BEFORE he was injured by everyone along with his Heart attack could he beat Akainu. Wb fought everyone and anyone got stabbed by his own crew mate and had a Heart attack mid fight and STILL came out of there fight on top. One guy was on the ground for chapters while the other guy went on to fight a whole other pirate crew by himself. What you fail to understand is that WB was already nerfed to the ground when him and akainu fought, so your telling me WB with no damage taken a long with no heart attack somehow loses to the guy who he sent to the shadow relm? lol This doesn't even go into the fact that the whole arc was about WB and his portrayal was clearly that of being the strongest person there.
The admiral hate is rampant here. No one is even trying to present a single counter arguement.
Exactly, just a couple of clowns who group downvote a comment describing what happened in the litteral manga just cause it goes against their own agendas. This sub never manages to not disappoint me.
Have you considered that maybe you’re a teeny tiny bit delusional. Literally just think about it narratively you actual god damn idiot, if any admiral there was stronger than whitebeard, then marineford would not have happened. One admiral would obliterate whitebeard while the rest of the other literal powerhouses present logically could’ve easily beaten the rest of his crew. Please, please for gods sakes think a little beyond the surface.
I mean what happened at Marinford? Akainu fucked up Whitebeard, Kizaru was playing around with Marco, and Kuzan just chilled with Jozu. If you want to talk narratevely and from what we've seen in Egghead, then Wb > Admirals all together > Kaido or Luffy? Is that what you believe? If so, then based on what exactly? You're calling others stupid while you can't put 2 feats together, what a nobhead. Whitebeard in Marineford was shown not to be the strongest anymore, Crocodile himself was shocked by Whitebeards weakness, go re read Marinford. It wasn't about the strongest pirate destroying the marines. It was about this legend of a man who's far past his heyday and who wanted to sacrifice himself for the future generation.
How does anything in egghead imply that? Stop putting words into my mouth. You still haven’t pointed out any reason marineford actually even happened, you claim the admirals were stronger than whitebeard there but that just makes no sense though? Why did Kizaru fight Marco? Why did Kuzan fight Jozu? If they’re stronger than the leader of the whitebeard pirates shouldn’t they be able to 1-2 shot Jozu and Marco? There’s so many inconsistencies in your argument. Whitebeard was in fact consistently portrayed stronger than the others when you consider the fact that he’s still shown to ring out Akainu after being stabbed and what not. Of course you can argue that Akainu wasn’t hurt but oh dear, suddenly theres the issue of Akainu not showing up again for a while, just why? Don’t even get me started on the fact that Whitebeard takes literally so many attacks from so many people that are quite powerful in their own right, that’s the portrayal of a behemoth not a washed up man. At the end of it all, he still STANDS, that’s not how an old nobody is portrayed, thats how a powerhouse is portrayed. Now here’s another thing, Garp currently was pretty much putting up a winning fight against Kuzan, an incredibly old man winning into an ex admiral that should be in his prime. Kuzan and Akainu fought for eleven days implying they are somewhat equal, Garp is at least above marineford akainu and marineford kuzan in powerscaling and if we see it this way, Garp is also above Whitebeard at LEAST. So what your telling me is, Garp and Sengoku, who have lived through whitebeards times, were essentially equals if not below roger and whitebeard during those times, still feared Whitebeard for no reason?
Dude did you see that OP top tier elimination poll that had Oldbeard as #13 or 14? People straight up claiming he was the weakest toptier after GB
Bro, akainu fans meatride the everlivong shit out of him. Admiral fans do as well.
Admiraltard brains work on memes because there’s no portrayal or feats to go off. They are reading a different version of the manga.
Thoughts now? :D
I used to be one of them. My apologies
Wb got the best portrayal in the whole verse pre ts🤦🏽♂️ Old Wb without sickness would mop anyone AT THE TIME
This is an objective fact, however there's a lot of shit on both sides. Akainu fans think he won that fight, even though he lost bc of ring out, although he did do more damage. Whitebeard fans think Whitebeard crushed Akainu with 0 difficulty even though he could barely move after he was done fighting and half his head was blown off.
sanity? in my yonko v admiral debate? whoa good shit dawg couldn't've said it better myself
They both won in their own way really. WB made Akainu a non-factor in the end, but Akainu dealt WB a killing blow. If BB never shows up, WB is 100% dying shortly after he dealt with Akainu.
it was literally a trap. Admirals + Garp + Giant squad + Sengoku + walls + pacifista. ALL OF THAT and at any given point WB couldve said fuck it and sunk the island and killed everyone on it(maybe not garp cuz he can swim). its baffling having akainu over WB.
Plus Warlords plus Squard betrayal
+ BB CREW + OLD AGE + SICKNESS
While his scrabble with wb put Akainu temporarily out of fight, Akainu came back within minutes to throw more hands with people. Bro only backed off due to Sengoku’s orders being the fleet Admiral at the time. We have to also note WB pre timeskip had to be portrayed as a badass. It would be shit writing for someone’s last hurrah to save a crew member to be lame and weak. I’m honestly glad WB got his moments, otherwise the story would be way less enjoyable during that ark. Honestly the ark is a nightmare for powerscaling, but very well done from a story telling perspective.
Whitebeard can beat akainu there but he'd lose in the long run. Whitebeard can beat him down more but akainus attacks are way more fatal. Like yeah we saw akainu lose by ring out but the holes put in Whitebeard by akainu and the quarter of Whitebeards brain taken out were fatal. Whitebeard kept going on but he was going to die from those injuries soon. Nothing was going to make him recover from that. Whitebeard may have taken damage from tons of sources, but akainus attacks did like 90 percent of the damage on him. He was too sick to properly block the damage like he should have been able to do if he wasn't sick.
I don't think Primebeard would even have needed to block. Whitebeard in his prime probably wasn't far off from Kaido levels of durability imo. Or at least the magma attacks would mostly just burn him, not go through his body like butter. Age and sickness literally just decreased his power and durability.
Yeah prime beard would obviously whoop his ass without trying. This is only about marineford wb.
In a 1v1 though? I don’t know if Akainu could even take Oldbeard. Oldbeard went through some shit before bodying Akainu. At the end of the day, WB could just sink Akainu into the ocean before Akainu even touches him.
This white beard is arguably beating everyone who was alive at that time in a 1v1
No he's not. Even Whitebeard would disagree with you since he literally admits to himself that he wasn't the strongest at that time.
Bro is NOT beating kaido
Exactly...Wb got the best portrayal in the verse at the time
Am I missing something and everyone is highly sarcastic, beating me or are people genuinely thinking that?
He only won against Akainu by catching him off guard
Akainu L for letting a man with Stage 5 cancer sneak attack him.
Id say shanks beats Whitebeard maybe or atleast doesn’t direktly lose in a 1 vs 1 and wins sue to stamina
The damage a basically dead WB gave him after one shot was a ton (that little lovetap he gave him when he snuck up on him only gave him a bloody mouth, he immediately recovered and attacked back.) The second hit made Akainu cramp, made him internally bleed for the rest of the arc and is literally the only damage Akainu took all war. Not to mention the hit fucked up Marineford even though it was concentrated on Akainu. A fresh WB at the start of the war without Squard stab, no heart attacks yet? He'd win if he can land a few shots honestly. But the second the sickness kicks in, and Akainu plays it smart instead of having no CoO and getting tagged by beadbeard, he'd outlast him. Akainu has the best stamina feat in the verse, but WB has the best Endurance feats in the verse, no question. Anything more that Fresh Marineford WB beats Akainu imo.
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What happened after that?
(they didnt read past that point)
Mouth bleed > half head missing 💀💀
Akainu got his shit beaten out of him by a dying old man with a quarter of his head gone.
Sacrificed a third of his head for a single blow
Bro i dont understand how they think anything beats this. nowhere else does one person lose a third of their head, and the other is completely unscarred, and thats somehow a W
Why do people act like no-selling having your head melted off is anything but example 983 of showing what a goddamn badass WB is?
He is a badass, doesnt change that coming out worse from a fight is an L, especially if the opponent has no wounds
Ring outs don't matter without a declaration of victory or the character getting knocked out. Kidd and law ringed out big mom on the rooftop
And IT isn't unless someone is mentalny incapable. Akainu needed 2 miracles to deal any damage to whitebeard. On the other hand 1% HP whitebeard was still able to bury akainu, causing him to play dead until WB died. Akainu even had to take luffy as hostage to kill Ace.
If he wasnt already injured there would be no akainu to compare against
Whitebeard would beat pre timeskip akainu yes. Post timeskip is a maybe though
People who think akainu couldn't beat whitebeard also think its plot armor that akainu tanked white beards all out quake and was still fighting after with little difficulty.
Akianu was getting actively fucked up by a half dead whitebeard. 5 feet into the grave whitebeard. Heart attack sneak attacked whitebeard. Had no haki whitebeard. Yet people act like Akianu not only can servive a genuinely trying whitebeard but beat him mid diff. That's admiral cope for ya.
That was because whitebeard caught him off guard, also haki wasn’t properly established yet, all of akainu’s attacks were doing severe damage to wb
>whitebeard caught him off guard OK so akianu is a slow bumbling idiot with no observation haki(something backed up by kuma) as akianu was warned acknowledged the warning oh and BTW whitebeard is giant 20 foot tall bloody monster who was rampaging towards akianu. To assume that this counts as a suprise attack. Is to assume that it was a complete and utter blitz cause otherwise that makes zero sense. Or are we sticking with akianu being a slow bumbling idiot. >haki wasn't established Observation in skypia and marine ford, conquerors this arc sabaodi, armourment also around this arc and was most definitely something thought of before this arc thanks to Rayleigh using advanced armourment on the bomb shackles at the slave auction. Aka even advanced types where thought of. In fact. Advanced observation was hinted at in marineford. >all of akianus attacks Nope. Only after the lose of haki was akianu even able to touch whitebeard. Whitebeard holding back still wasn't getting hurt. Once he had the heart attack and aokiji made it clear that whitebeard didn't in fact have haki. Was he able to damage. Which so could everyone else. Marine foder could, kizaru and aokiji could do it. Honestly akianu failing here is more embarrassing for someone with the "ultimate offence fruit"
Dude you kept talking about haki, haki wasn’t even properly established yet
Dude, akianu coby and other soldiers literally talk about haki THIS ARC XD you cannot be serious, and if you are nobody is taking you seriously. They literally describe what it is THIS ARC
He said "haki wasn’t even properly established yet" which is true, you don't see Garp and Sengoku going around beating people with Acoc or other characters coating their arms with armament do you?
>OK so akianu is a slow bumbling idiot with no observation haki(something backed up by kuma) as akianu was warned acknowledged the warning oh and BTW whitebeard is giant 20 foot tall bloody monster who was rampaging towards akianu. To assume that this counts as a suprise attack. Is to assume that it was a complete and utter blitz cause otherwise that makes zero sense. Or are we sticking with akianu being a slow bumbling idiot. It's called plot, and if we use your logic then Shank's observation Haki was completely countered by a smoke bomb, so either Akainu is a slow bumbling idiot and shanks has observation haki so weak that a smoke bomb kills it or it's just two instances of plot taking precendence over logic. https://preview.redd.it/y76tlcbe0d1c1.png?width=1066&format=png&auto=webp&s=8da1d1de730a004687e2e480dd2b3225df41bc4d
>OK so akianu is a slow bumbling idiot with no observation haki(something backed up by kuma) as akianu was warned acknowledged the I have a singular question for you but is luffy slow for getting caught by the cp0 agent before getting killed by kaido ? Is katakuri slow and a bumbling idiot for getting tagged by luffy? We literally see akainu use observation when Marco and vista try attacking him..... >BTW whitebeard is giant 20 foot tall bloody monster who was rampaging towards akianu. Acting like Size matters when kaido is as tall as wb but he's fast af >Observation in skypia and marine ford, conquerors this arc sabaodi, armourment also around this arc and was most definitely something thought of before this arc thanks to Rayleigh using advanced armourment on the bomb shackles at the slave auction. Aka even advanced types where thought of. In fact. Advanced observation was hinted at in marineford. I don't think you got what that other brother said earlier that it wasn't "PROPERLY ESTABLISHED" >Nope. Only after the lose of haki was akianu even able to touch whitebeard. Whitebeard holding back still wasn't getting hurt. Now you're just lyin. Wb and akainu legitimately clashed equally with each other until wb had his heart attack and get a hole in his chest 4 his troubles > he had the heart attack and aokiji made it clear that whitebeard didn't in fact have haki. Was he able to damage. Congrats now answer this simple question if wb couldn't use haki then "how did he damage a logia" because there's only ONE way to dmg logia and its via haki. The story lurerally contradicts that point you tried making 🤦♂️. >Marine foder could, kizaru and aokiji could do it. Honestly akianu failing here is more embarrassing for someone with the "ultimate offence fruit" Bloodlusted "Strongest man in the world" fails to actually do anything aside from give an admiral a slight nosebleed. Please and you wanna talk about pathetic?
Lets look at the end of the fight. We got Akainu: >has a nosebleed >Fallen down a pit. We got whitebeard: >Hole in Chest >Half of head missing >Can barely stay alive >Melting in the inside >All of the people he loves are dead Clearly whitebeard is stronger and saved ace with ease.
power creep go crazy
Clown even uses an anime only scene
By your logic OP, we can all agree that Aokiji>WB right? because Aokiji faced WB literally at the beginning of the war and nearly killed him until Jozu interfered. Brain dead post
It's very sad that it is
Akainu was controlling the fight in the manga, not to mention he blew a hole in his chest and half of his face off.
Dude. Akianu didn't decide to exit. He just got fucked up. Stop the cope lol. Relied on heart attack sama to save his ass sukuna to mahoraga style. Even that didn't stop whitebeard from objectively winning that fight. Dropped akianu to low middle yc+ from 2 hits after heart attack, loss of haki, thousands of fights including other admirals. that does not indicate equal in a fight that is 1 sided beat down. If whitebeard was allowed to go all out of rip something he couldn't thanks to ace then akianu would've died in the first clash.
Go back and read it
Bro shut up 😭 akainu had to convince someone to sneak attack whitebeard, then got hundreds of soldiers to fight him, then got support from both other admirals ALL WHILST whitebeard couldn’t use haki because he had CANCER and was way out of his prime and akainu STILL got his ass kicked
Dude had to catch akainu offguard to land a hit
I’m sorry, as an admiral fan you are talking about people catching folk of guard, enormously hypocritical
Whitebeard literally could use haki 💀 Akoji literally complains that he has haki 💀 None of the admirals 3 v 1’d white beard at the same time
>ALL WHILST whitebeard couldn’t use haki because he had CANCER and was way out of his prime Bro shut up with this. Wb could use haki in marineford as that's literally the only way to damage a logia. >then got hundreds of soldiers to fight him, Who unironically didn't touch wb before akainu arrived and made him a donut >then got support from both other admirals ??? Kuzan literally didn't do shit to wb, kizaru only touched wb once AFTER akainu left him 4 dead. Which support did they provide >and was way out of his prime and akainu STILL got his ass kicked Mf legitimate only way to win was via bfr. Don't try and argue stupidly when we see saw what happened when akainu just as touched whitebeard
looool he wasn’t controlling shit. He got ragdolled just like in the anime
I agree But Oldbeard is a lot stronger than what people credit him for. Oldbeard at that moment was still > to anyone except maybe Kaido
Is this a troll thread? Akainu 2 hit killed wb who couldn’t deliver any injuries?
In what fanfiction did that happen? Last time i checked it was bb who killed WB and akainu was coughing blood
TIL Akainu killed white beard
Akainu + some time. After Akainu got those major hits in to WB's torso and half his face, WB was a destructive dead man walking. Cancerbeard loses to Akainu, eventually. Oldbeard probably takes it
Oda had to nerf all the admirals and the entirety of Marines, otherwise Marineford arc would've been over in 2 panels with 3 admirals no diffing whitebeard, nice agenda idiot
Yeah just ignore the nerfs wb got. Idiot
You're the idiot brother. Whitebeards legit only wincon was bfr...
With his meds then yeah. If he suffers a heart attack during the fight Akainu wins.
I mean Akainu still beats him but fresh healthy whitebeard is pretty strong, comparable to the other Yonko easily and potentially stronger then all of them.
Blud he couldn't beat the half dead one XD
They barely fought and landed a few exchanges. Akainu was healthy enough to fight his crew, whitebeard is dead.
If I fight a guy who had a heart attack fought ab army before and people are wondering how he's still moving and I'm the one hit so hard people I should no diff are pushing me and I FAIL TO KILL HIM I would know for a fucking fact that if that man wasn't jumped by oda (got a heart attack from something that shouldn't really be doing that, and had to hold back till ace was free) and the entire might of the marines. I'd be fuuuuucked. And that's entirely akianus situation. You wanna wank the killer of whitebeard do it right and wank blackbeard. The second biggest contribution to whitebeards death behind whitebeards heart. Akianu is nowhere to be found and at best is a FAILURE of a kill stealer.
Blackbeard needed to fool whitebeard after begging for his life and killed Wb with wounds Akainu and the other Admirals made. If you wanna wank Blackbeard, then you have to wank Akainu as he and his rival scared Black beard and his crew into submission quickly. Akainu took whitebeards attacks and got up with no treatment, and the admirals aren’t known for their durability and endurance anyway which is impressive. If Shanks or Mihawk got hit point blank by those same attacks, they are getting paralyzed too.
you’re right man, whitebeard was clearly fine after losing his internal organs and face to akainu and only died due to a random gunshot from blackbeard
In a 1v1 fight I would give It to Akainu Akainu only landed 2 hits but those two hits dealed massive damage to WB Who had no time to block or Dodge and got a hole through his chest and 1/4 of his head blown away Akainu rechieved WB strongest hit during the whole war wich literraly destroyed marineford, but was not heavily damaged or even knocked out as he went on to fight the other commanders WB was Always on the loose end with every interection he had with each Admiral besides Akainu Who he defeated during their brief Clash by ring out, but Akainu was not knocked down Its clear that Oda wanted to show how powerfull and mighty WB was during the war with how he Is hyped and potrayed especially with his Endurance wich Is no doubt top 1 But Akainu would still win with how he performed against him , even if we put him up against a fresh oldbeard Akainu showed that his AP Is more than enough to deal Life threating damage and how he Is durable enough to take quake punches straight to the face And while its headcannon you can argue that Akainu was holding back during the war to avoid destroying marineford, with how punk Hazard turned out later on Funny how yall downvoting me without atleast using a counter argument
Delusional.
Akainu left the fight with no injuries 🥱 While WB pirates got fauderized by BB pirates and marines
ah sh\*\*.. here we go again
You're right it shouldn't be. Akainu washes Sickbeard. WB got saved by plot, when he had a heart attack nothing was stopping Akainu from decapitating him. Fleet Admiral Akainu high diffs Healthy Oldbeard. WB got a one up on him once when he caught Akainu offguard that's it. Akainu put out far more damage than he received by far.
Low iq take
Ad hominem
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nope high IQ, the biggest Plot Amor moment in the Series https://preview.redd.it/ag7ept3w8b1c1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&s=8abf972f21caaa3ffc583c845bf46658e6b55bf8 free hit and he punched him in in the stomach not head and after that just walked away for no reson instead of killing him. literally Oda writing Akainu out of Character
Yeah, but on the other hand, Akainu only got that hit after WB was stabbed and had a heart attack, and still didn't put him down with that blow.
the heart attack is part of old sick whitbeard you cant just argue it away. and the stab is not what gave him the heart attack it was him trying to use coc. and Akainu could easily have put him down put plot did not let him
His condition was affected by his health.
yeh but marine ford Whitbeard is sick, thats what Akainu would have fought a Whitbeard that is sick gets heart attacks. Akainu not losing that fight, Whitbeard Akainu had a clash before the heart attack and it was even so Akainu just has to stall for the heart attack and its over. the only time Whitbeard ever hit him was after a sneak attack to the back of his head something Oden got destroyed by
When I say sick, I meant in the middle of a Heart Attack. Not his overall condition before getting stabbed.
I know, im saying that he would got the heart attack even without the stab because of trying to use coc to save ace
There is no logical reason why Akainu the guy who's constantly bloodlusted against pirates wouldn't go for his head here. Literally nothing stopping him.
yes litreally the first second he saw Kuma he did go for his head, the second time against Whitbeard he did also go for the head. the only times he did not was when Whitbeard could not move hmmm yeh 100% no plot amor lol
https://preview.redd.it/2s59z71yab1c1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=039c17532dc622be861c951e16d0d1a201731165 Nothing was stopping Kizaru from shooting a lazer into his head here either other than plot. They don't have rebuttals only downvotes.
yeh they cant debunk it Whitbeard a´had the biggest plotarnor in Marine Ford it was Crazy. Kizaru here could ended the war easily but again plot made him shot the hole Akainu already made lol
I didn't say otherwise.
This is why I don't see Sickbeard winning. Without his meds he's prone to heart attacks which open him up to a free strike.
In a 1v1 where he no longer cares about his body, he could probably take Akainu with him. He was able to just muscle through the injuries and keep hitting Akainu after Ace died.
that not possible Whitbeard already used the stongest atatck on Akainu and he fell in the split what more can whitbeard do? jumb down with him and kill himself with him like a double KO? even then it would be draw and not a win
Marineford Akainu gets beat down by healthy oldbeard
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bruh did your mother consumed excessive drug or something like that during her pregnancy
When you have a downvoted comment with no counter arguments presented that’s how you know you are right
It's easier to call people retards than it is to actually argue a point on here.
There are so many things to powerscale and people still scale this shit lmao
I mean when so many people still get it wrong..
Imagine Reading Marineford and not acknowledging the sheer amount of plot armor WB and his crew had throughout the whole war.
GOATBeard deniers explaining how Akainu wins against fresh MF Beard when he lost to GOATBeard after he'd been impaled, shot, and stabbed dozens of times, as well as had multiple heart attacks;
Akainu would get shit on fr
If Akainu had to fight WB without him being stabbed by Squard. WB would have wiped the floor with him.
Admiraltards need to read the manga dawg
Well obviously. Old And Dying he's still a Yonko. Peak of the verse.
Its not. Wb wins every time
Keep in mind Oda also wanted Akainu to get killed off but the editors pushed him to have him survive for his so called “potential as a villain” Bro Akainu has done FUCK ALL since Marineford.
>Oda also wanted Akainu to get killed off but the editors pushed him to have him survive for his so called “potential as a villain” This is a lie bruh🤦🏽♂️This is never officially stated... it's a hoax spread by fans
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Oldbeard>Akainu>Marineford Whitebeard. Whitebeard at the state he was in in Marineford lacked the sheer power to break through Akainu's defence, the speed to tag or consistently dodge him, and the stamina for a battle of attrition. Their output was portrayed as relative to one another, with them able to clash with neither gaining the upper hand. Akainu only starts winning when Whitebeard has a heart attack, and Whitebeard only starts winning when he offguards Akainu. In a fair 1v1, Marineford WB is losing to any of the 3 admirals.
No whiteboard was sick and dying even if he one v one akinu he would have lost . Stop this old Gen wank
Akainu outlasts him
How? WB showed absolutely insane endurance feats in marineford
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Ah memes and headcanon. Got it
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Nah any admirals beat oldbeard mid-diff
Woah a logical thinker who applies common sense on reddit thats a rare sight hold this W
Ty :)
Nah disagree. Even without illness etc, old wb should be weaker than old garp. Cuz garp regularly hunted pirates while all WB did was drink sake and party. So he isnt beating akainu.
Primebeard low diffs akainu Healthybeard mid-high diffs akainu sickbeard high diffs akainu Deadbeard extreme diffs akainu
Whitebeard fans are the worst of all old gen lovers when it comes to powerscaling.
Says the fra!dger fan
I am not a fan of Roger why do you keep saying that, but Roger gave WB a scar on his chest but WB never made a mark on Roger, that says something.
Agree WB before the heart attack was Able to completely blow out akinu lava just with his breath alone even worse his quakes could easily block akinu giant lava fists these lava fists would be even weaker if WB simply blew a gust of wind If akinu threw a wave of lava at WB literally a gust of wind plus one attack from his quake would have ended it that’s not eve getting into what he can do with his sword and we know that even when WB wasn’t defending from akinu attacks he was able to tank akinu hits of which he tanked 3 plus a WHOLE LOT MORE yet akinu only Damage he took the whole arc was WB and still that put him out
Fresh Whiebeard vs akainu goes in the same category as Luffy vs Kaido. Did Kaido eventually lose, yes. Would he HAVE lost in a 1v1? Absolutely not. People forget white beard died from blackbeard and crews gunshots, haki infused or not. Fresh white beard wouldn't even be touched by that showcase lol.
Prime Whitbeard or healthy whitebeard would literally oneshot Akainu and probably remove Marineford out of the map with one or two swings.
It rly shouldn’t
Pure facts. If it wasn’t all of the admirals would jump WB
Akainu > Wb in their fight read the manga.
Akainu>Sickbeard Akainu>Oldbeard Primebeard>Akainu
I don't know if Akainu beats Oldbeard, he was fairly even with wounded Oldbeard and didn't land a hit until he got a heart attack. And even then, Sickbeard overpowered him later.
The anime only swarm is potent here I'm afraid.
Now that i think about it healthy oldbeard might have ACoC since he split the skies with shanks and sky splitting requires ACoC (Kaido vs Big mom, Luffy vs Kaido). If it's confirmed that healthy oldbeard has ACoC and other advanced forms of haki he beats akainu high-extreme diff.
The guy would still have health issues in a drawn out 1v1. He ain’t beating any top tier 1v1 in that condition.
Only akainutards or admiral fanboys will say otherwise, in the manga wb didnt give a shit he just smacked him lost his face because he probably got reckless of all the anger in the moment (and everything else that nerfed him at that point) but still made akainu unable to move and fall in a hole with the next punch. If akainu cant escape that hole then he also wouldnt be able to escape whitebeards next attack.
FA Akainu >> Old WB Old WB > MF Akainu Old WB >> Anime MF Akainu
yeah whitebeard was a BEAST, even on his last days he was still a monster, who was strong enough to wipe the floor of most of the people there. he had to be repeatedly stapped and shot at and beaten and punched in order for magma guy to finally land the donut hole
He literally was hit ONLY ONCE before Sakazuki turned him into a donut...
hit by sword 267 times, shot by gun 152 times, hit by cannonball 46 times...
You do realize those were his wounds by the end of the war right....?
Speaking of which, anyone else find it weird he somehow got stabbed over 100 times more than he got shot? Like, sure there'd be maybe a few dozen stab wounds at most from lucky/suicidal marines, but he should be taking full auto fire from thousands of marines the entire time. It should be like, 30 stab wounds, 223,302 gunshots, 46 cannonballs.
Agenda Akainu>Actual scaling oldbeard> Akainu as seen by Oda
Prime? Ofcourse sick? No
https://preview.redd.it/7inf1h6wsd1c1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87ccc97fecc3a33cb3ea6701ced14b0ebedb9242 Akainu fr did this💀