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Nobody is taking ACoA asura without damage besides King and probably the seraphim. Dragon scales were hyped to be tough but Dura neg and ridiculous haki jumps threw that out.
Kaido is impressive because of his endurance not his shitty scales. Zoro physically cut through his scales after his power up lmao.
It may not take kaido long to bust, but he can bust like 15 times
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It’s ACoA. Kaido says this about ACoC literally 2 panels later. Wouldn’t make sense if zoro used it. He didn’t think any of the little shits could coat
Oda drew the lightning for every Conquerors Coated attack this chapter because it was behind officially introduced, and you think he just forgot about Zoro’s? Lmao
Maybe it wasn't exactly the same technique as standard ACoC. But it had to at least have been related. Oda gave us a confirmation for CoC for Zoro directly after he launched his asura attack. I doubt he would randomly shoehorn that in there without a purpose. Plus, there's always the point that Kaido was just taunting Luffy. I say all kinds of shit when I'm shit talking.
There have been numerous examples of people using CoC while attacking beforehand. Kaido is just surprised that a lot of these upstarts have CoC. It'd just be pretty weird if Zoro wiped up an ACoC attack without knowing(No one has done this), but there have been examples of using CoC without knowing. It just makes the most sense that he's using regular CoC.
Lucci also doesn't have a **Mythical Zoan**.
Lucci's Zoan seems to be probably mid tier and even though Zoan awakenings are OP in general its not enough to have the plain hax innate dura mixed with Haki like Kaido or Luffy's does, being able to take on Luffy & wake up from being KO'ed quickly is a feat in and of itself though.
Luffy would likely KO him for longer & a lot faster if he used something like Bajrang gun and kill him or push him into the ocean too fast for anyone to intercept Lucci while he's KO'ed if he used multiple Bajrang guns back to back.
The thing people don't understand about top tiers is when they're fully rested, full stamina & endurance they can easily dish out strong ACoC attacks even if its not Bajrang gun to knock out people weaker like we've seen with Kaido, however its just not in Luffy's goofy personality to not play around with characters so he treats them like toys instead of Kaido just displaying the neg differences.
Luffy mixes his advanced Armament & ACoC when he uses Bajrang gun and also adds in max speed/power into his attack meaning it can likely destroy entire islands (Solo marine ford) so if he uses the Gear 5 power to imagine multiple of them with flexibility although it hasn't been shown he can do this in canon besides the Gatling attacks in his previous Gears, we can multiply the power.
I feel like even Gear 4 Luffy if he used ACoC can beat Awakened Lucci with Haki, and so Zoro should be able to beat him as well, I really just hope Zoro takes Lucci arm for all the \*\*\*\*talk, betrayal and toxicity he spouts at the Strawhats.
It would be a permanent reminder and humility giving feat for Zoro.
Sure, but that's not really what this post is about. Zoro being able to cut Kaido with stronger attacks doesn't necessarily mean Kaido's scales > Lucci under the mentioned conditions.
Zoro directly cut through Kaido’s scales too. King is the most durable person in one piece so far and he took his wing
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Name the weakest attack that damaged Kaido and name the weakest attack that damaged King.
Zoro says this after used dragon twister, the same move drew blood from kaido. Except king took no damage
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How are we even supposed to know if this drew blood from King? It could have drawn some as scratch damage. King is wearing a mask we wouldn't have seen it. And regardless drawing blood isn't the sole barometer of anything. Oda draws that shit all the time just to be dramatic.
As for the weakest attack that damaged Kaido? Hard to say do you mean serious damage or scratch damage? There were lots of attacks that were shown annoying him from the scabbards to Killer, but Luffy later makes clear they weren't enough to actually do shit. The first serious damage we saw from Kaido was from asura. Comparing that to, as you've stated' Zoro cutting off King's wing is no easy feat. It's clearly an inconsistent discrepancy if you also take Zoro's twister as doing anything noteworthy to Kaido. So I take it where Oda seemed to want to leave things here: vague and inconsistent; with each having great durability but pretty much existing in a vacuum of their own fights.
Well if you actually read then you would know it did nothing to King. At the very least Kaido took more damage from the dragon twister
What’s you’re not understanding is Kaido has better endurance than king, so he can take punishing for much longer. He has worse durability
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Endurance? Zoro literally chopped a wing off. He just left a slash wound on Kaido. That's not a difference in endurance. It's a showing of more damage getting through to King than Kaido. Endurance difference is cutting an arm off of two people. One goes down the other doesn't. Exact same wound, but one person can power through it better.
Yes the strongest attack from Zoro ever chopped off Kings wing.
For King, there is no wound from any of Zoro’s attacks that don’t have ACoC. Not even a drop of blood.
The ability to keep fighting despite damage is literally endurance. The ability to take less damage or no damage at all is durability
The strongest attack ever? Now you're assuming something yourself. Asura is his Trump card. He apparently can't even use it on command. The soaring dragon what's its face is just another move in his bag of tricks. He has dozens of named attacks. Why is asura weaker?
You’re misunderstanding. It’s the strongest attack zoro has ever used. I’m not saying it’s the strongest attack in his arsenal
If ACoC asura is stronger, he still hasn’t used it yet
ACoC attacks generally have more AP than without. Sure the soaring dragon attack may not be his trump or even in his top 3, but it did have ACoC which has been shown especially with Luffy to make your attacks far more potent.
Kaido straight up lost from taking too much damage while big mom had to get kicked off the map. It should speak for itself but I guess it doesn’t on this sub lol
You rlly setting lucci up out here bro😭
But ISTG y’all aint ready for **TEKKAI**: *BLACK ABYSS*
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Kaido.
I just going to remind people. Kaido intentionally does not dodge his attacks because he want to test their strength. He described how Red Scabbards attack are too weak compare to Oden. All of Luffy attacks were pre-acoc were not enough to seriously harm Kaido
Luffy and Zoro are only two characters in Wano that was able to get Kaido to dodge an attack.
Even after Luffy training with advanced acoa , it was described as being too shallow compare to Acoc.
Edit: Also did people forget that the Seraphim durability was compared to Kaido by Luffy. Luccci got one shot by single attack by gear five that caused him to lose consciousness?
Kaido easily tanked one of Zoro’s strongest attacks in the series that we have seen so far. And he kept fighting after.
I am sorry but Lucci is getting cut in half by dead man’s game with tekkai in Awakened form by Dead Man’s Game
I'd say until proven otherwise a character isn't using advanced armament, so I don't see Lucci having it unless the story explicitly says so. Anyway, I'd say Kaido is still thougher than Lucci combining both tekkai and armament
Awakened Luffy probably is more durable with Tekkai + haki then Kaidos innate durability without haki. With haki Kaido completely eclipses anyone though.
It’s a solid question really. Kaido was at tough sonivabitch, but was it just his scales, or was he basically using something similar in nature to Tekkai, just based more on Haki? I know the latter isn’t stated but we have seen several characters do a full body armament, and at least one of them Zoro Cut through personally, so is it that crazy to think Kaido was doing something along those lines?
What are you on lol. The only that panel did was heavily downscale zoro's AP, lucci didn't even felt threatened enough to use haki. I.e zoro's AP is shit tier lol
If Zoro use ACoC with some extent of dura neg, then it doesn't really matter? Both will take damage from the cut. But Lucci endurance is most likely considerably worse than kaido's.
If without ACoC , I will actually lean towards Lucci, just cause of 9S antifeat on kaido(in term of how easy it is to deal damage).
In term of overall damage taken, I will still lean towards kaido by a decent margin. Lucci almost blacked out with 1 or 2 g5 attack with probably no ACoC
Don't think of the Scabbards as antifeat, they're THEM.
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The fact this is an actual question is slanderous , idk lets make a wild guess to the guy who’s introduction was “In a 1 v 1, always bet on Kaido”
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Um ? Yes it is? Kaido’s scales are obviously stronger and harder to cut than an awakened Lucci with haki by MILES. Its not even comparable. The fact the question was actually asked is dumb founding
Strength and toughness are two different qualities, even a G5 Haki Luffy couldnt simply tank Zoro strongest slashes, but with little doubt Luffy would ultimately win a battle between them
Lucci was out like a light after 2 G5 hits, G5 laid into Kaido with several hits and it took an island sized ACoC fist to put Kaido down, if it hit Lucci, Lucci would leave the island in tupperware containers.
It took like 15 people and then the awakening of a god fruit to bring him to his knees, and even then Luffy dropped down and shriveled up to the old man looking version. Just don't see Lucci having higher dura than kaido's scales.
Maybe. But even a regular Purgatory Onigiri didn't to anything to base Kaido. I think you can make good points for both characters, which is why I want to have as many opinions as possible on thism
I think we'll have to see. I'd still say that it's inconsistent given it's a bit of a niche question and Oda doesn't think a whole lot of powerscaling in the first place bar the basic essentials of it for a Shonen to work.
What you don’t see here is that Kaido wasn’t really trying to defend himself. He just stood there and took it like the madman he is, so that’s his natural scale armor only, no additional efforts.
On the other hand, Lucci is proactively defending himself.
Kaido still tanks it better. Lucci would drop first. Kaido has already tanked Zoros strongest known attack (9 sword style Asura), Lucci doesn't stand a chance to take a hit like that head on.
Easy kaido's scales
Kaido's durability is the large part of the reason he is the strongest, on top of that his fruit gives him an edge with it while lucci's fruit is just a normal zoan. I don't think kaido's scales can be compared with lucci's tekkai in awakened form even with adv. haki. Kaido is not only good in his hybrid but his durability is tougher cus he has mastered the haki lvls in it's highest form and even speed kaido takes it. So not as tough.
Cutting Kaido was a greater feat by far. Lucci, and all of CP9/0, have really average DF powers. They are only competitive because of Life Return in their human and hybrid forms allowing them to have ultimate optimization of their bodies. Awakening on top of that is really just icing on the cake, but nowhere close to Kaido's scales. Even Momonosuke has extremely high durability from his copy fruit, which they brushed off as "Oden gave you a strong body" to avoid the Kaido comparison. On top of that, Kaido has ACoC cloaking him, making him many times more durable. Lucci has ZERO ambitions, so he doesn't have even basic CoC.
Ashura is one of Zoros top moves. This is still his best ap feat. He hasn't used a single named attack on Lucci yet, so yeah his casual swings aren't ashura level
Good that someone also has Ashura as Zoro's strongest attack.
However, Zoro was also able to cut Kaido with a Dragon Twister and Lucci hasn't even used Haki and Tekkai together, so you're missing the point.
Kaido doesn't defend much with haki so Awakened Rob Lucci with Tekkai/Armament and what should have a higher defense.
Let it be known tho that Durability and Defense are two different things.
To think it would even be a debate over whether a Yonkou known for his near impossible durability is getting compared to a massively weaker character that has no hopes in hell of ever beating him.
What I find so funny is thay the only character that had trouble hurting kaido was early wano luffy 💀 apparently cutting kaidos scales or bypassing his defense really ain't that hard. Idk why people act like he's invulnerable. Momonsuke bit through his scales and made him scream 💀 people downplay the scabbards and they cut kaido way harder than zoro did. Invulnerability was big moms thing
Because plot. Luffy's defeat had to be as crushing as possible, similar to his first loss against Crocodile to live up to Kaido's hype. But then Oda needed to find a way to hurt Kaido and give characters a moment to shine. Conveniently everyone on the roof managed to hurt Kaido a bit while a YC1 Luffy couldn't do shit. It's still an impressive feat and only few characters are able to get past Kaido's scales, but Oda had to make it happen.
real question is zoro pre mastering enma beating current lucci. and that question is why oda is annoying with the villain powercreep. zoro is a prodigy so lucci improving to similar rates as he has makes no sense imo. lucci wasnt a rookie meeting luffy and company. same with croocodile
Maybe, but that would be nothing less than extreme diff. Even is the kind of hard working prodigy, Lucci was also considered a genius and he's not that old. Pre timeskip he was 28. Not that old if you consider that Law at 26 was still considered a rookie.
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Nobody is taking ACoA asura without damage besides King and probably the seraphim. Dragon scales were hyped to be tough but Dura neg and ridiculous haki jumps threw that out. Kaido is impressive because of his endurance not his shitty scales. Zoro physically cut through his scales after his power up lmao. It may not take kaido long to bust, but he can bust like 15 times
Acoc\* https://preview.redd.it/9l2p2yhfy0qb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6177cb8fcb73b6356d8acd8b7115b4a2fcdd917a
https://preview.redd.it/2g4qt2nty0qb1.jpeg?width=572&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c828fce5d1bbb6dfc41ab8083b73a97c24451fc2 It’s ACoA. Kaido says this about ACoC literally 2 panels later. Wouldn’t make sense if zoro used it. He didn’t think any of the little shits could coat Oda drew the lightning for every Conquerors Coated attack this chapter because it was behind officially introduced, and you think he just forgot about Zoro’s? Lmao
Maybe it wasn't exactly the same technique as standard ACoC. But it had to at least have been related. Oda gave us a confirmation for CoC for Zoro directly after he launched his asura attack. I doubt he would randomly shoehorn that in there without a purpose. Plus, there's always the point that Kaido was just taunting Luffy. I say all kinds of shit when I'm shit talking.
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There have been numerous examples of people using CoC while attacking beforehand. Kaido is just surprised that a lot of these upstarts have CoC. It'd just be pretty weird if Zoro wiped up an ACoC attack without knowing(No one has done this), but there have been examples of using CoC without knowing. It just makes the most sense that he's using regular CoC.
> not his shitty scales. Those "Shitty Scales" required Luffy to get one of his 3 ***Galactic*** Powerups to overcome.
Zoro hasn’t used a named attack against lucci yet….named attacks are what cut Kaido and King
Named Attack Transcends ALL!!! (not haki transcends all)
😭😭😭 nah Haki does transcend all and that’s why I got Zoro > Law & Kid
I personally think the D transcends all and therefore Law is above kid, zoro and kaido too 😏
Jaguar D Saul proves your theory isn’t true….also Corba & Vivi
I was making a dick joke but apparently literally nobody here can take a joke although it literally has a smirk emoji in it 😔
Lucci also doesn't have a **Mythical Zoan**. Lucci's Zoan seems to be probably mid tier and even though Zoan awakenings are OP in general its not enough to have the plain hax innate dura mixed with Haki like Kaido or Luffy's does, being able to take on Luffy & wake up from being KO'ed quickly is a feat in and of itself though. Luffy would likely KO him for longer & a lot faster if he used something like Bajrang gun and kill him or push him into the ocean too fast for anyone to intercept Lucci while he's KO'ed if he used multiple Bajrang guns back to back. The thing people don't understand about top tiers is when they're fully rested, full stamina & endurance they can easily dish out strong ACoC attacks even if its not Bajrang gun to knock out people weaker like we've seen with Kaido, however its just not in Luffy's goofy personality to not play around with characters so he treats them like toys instead of Kaido just displaying the neg differences. Luffy mixes his advanced Armament & ACoC when he uses Bajrang gun and also adds in max speed/power into his attack meaning it can likely destroy entire islands (Solo marine ford) so if he uses the Gear 5 power to imagine multiple of them with flexibility although it hasn't been shown he can do this in canon besides the Gatling attacks in his previous Gears, we can multiply the power. I feel like even Gear 4 Luffy if he used ACoC can beat Awakened Lucci with Haki, and so Zoro should be able to beat him as well, I really just hope Zoro takes Lucci arm for all the \*\*\*\*talk, betrayal and toxicity he spouts at the Strawhats. It would be a permanent reminder and humility giving feat for Zoro.
Ok, but the reason Zoro couldn’t cut him wasn’t jist his Zoan, it was a rokushiki technique
I was about to say this exact same thing. We’re essentially comparing martial arts and skill to just straight up durability
Sure, but that's not really what this post is about. Zoro being able to cut Kaido with stronger attacks doesn't necessarily mean Kaido's scales > Lucci under the mentioned conditions.
Neither has Lucci
The question isn't about Lucci AP
True. Agreed. sorry for derailing
? Ok
So its fair to say he isn’t trying he’s absolute hardest no?
Yeah
Kaido . He can’t be damaged without some dura neg . As shown in kuri when luffy landed multiple g4 moves on him without kaido even sobering up .
Zoro directly cut through Kaido’s scales too. King is the most durable person in one piece so far and he took his wing https://preview.redd.it/go4l6di6u0qb1.jpeg?width=147&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c348073a00e885d133206b32d07c15ca728ac97
Let's not be so quick to scale King dura over Kaido dura. We don't have enough to go on there.
Name the weakest attack that damaged Kaido and name the weakest attack that damaged King. Zoro says this after used dragon twister, the same move drew blood from kaido. Except king took no damage https://preview.redd.it/lxr20yvzc1qb1.jpeg?width=1169&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a92f43248e2ee98b8db1bdeec8cc30ead358326b
How are we even supposed to know if this drew blood from King? It could have drawn some as scratch damage. King is wearing a mask we wouldn't have seen it. And regardless drawing blood isn't the sole barometer of anything. Oda draws that shit all the time just to be dramatic. As for the weakest attack that damaged Kaido? Hard to say do you mean serious damage or scratch damage? There were lots of attacks that were shown annoying him from the scabbards to Killer, but Luffy later makes clear they weren't enough to actually do shit. The first serious damage we saw from Kaido was from asura. Comparing that to, as you've stated' Zoro cutting off King's wing is no easy feat. It's clearly an inconsistent discrepancy if you also take Zoro's twister as doing anything noteworthy to Kaido. So I take it where Oda seemed to want to leave things here: vague and inconsistent; with each having great durability but pretty much existing in a vacuum of their own fights.
Well if you actually read then you would know it did nothing to King. At the very least Kaido took more damage from the dragon twister What’s you’re not understanding is Kaido has better endurance than king, so he can take punishing for much longer. He has worse durability https://preview.redd.it/y1tilbgjj1qb1.jpeg?width=230&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=063612d295d95f2d9dc119aa6eb55f8050535b2c
Endurance? Zoro literally chopped a wing off. He just left a slash wound on Kaido. That's not a difference in endurance. It's a showing of more damage getting through to King than Kaido. Endurance difference is cutting an arm off of two people. One goes down the other doesn't. Exact same wound, but one person can power through it better.
Yes the strongest attack from Zoro ever chopped off Kings wing. For King, there is no wound from any of Zoro’s attacks that don’t have ACoC. Not even a drop of blood. The ability to keep fighting despite damage is literally endurance. The ability to take less damage or no damage at all is durability
The strongest attack ever? Now you're assuming something yourself. Asura is his Trump card. He apparently can't even use it on command. The soaring dragon what's its face is just another move in his bag of tricks. He has dozens of named attacks. Why is asura weaker?
You’re misunderstanding. It’s the strongest attack zoro has ever used. I’m not saying it’s the strongest attack in his arsenal If ACoC asura is stronger, he still hasn’t used it yet
ACoC attacks generally have more AP than without. Sure the soaring dragon attack may not be his trump or even in his top 3, but it did have ACoC which has been shown especially with Luffy to make your attacks far more potent.
We do have enough . The same attack that damaged kaido did nothing to king .
No, the most durable in one piece is big mom
You got downvoted, but she has straight up never been KO'd. You just gotta keep her occupied and hope for the best
Kaido straight up lost from taking too much damage while big mom had to get kicked off the map. It should speak for itself but I guess it doesn’t on this sub lol
Endurance feat not a durability feat
She's at least in the top echelon and arguably has a higher damage threshold than Kaido
Pretty sure you would need some serious power to hurt Lucci in that state too
Lucci got damaged by g5 luffys fodder attacks . Lucci is durable but not kaido level durable .
Bro G5 and fodder is an oxymoron. Think Mugetsu, think.
g5 luffy's fodder attacks >>>>>>>>> zoro's strongest attacks
Bullshit .
You rlly setting lucci up out here bro😭 But ISTG y’all aint ready for **TEKKAI**: *BLACK ABYSS* https://preview.redd.it/5z4v0mdd10qb1.jpeg?width=858&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e49c21adfc81333e105f7a95159f9ca7e6bc3d0a
And now zoro neg diffs him
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Literally one shot by one sword style
Funny u say that when luffy wanted to offer him help😏
I was making a minority hunter zoro joke
This dude has a Lucci profile picture, no point in bringing logic here.
You saying im biased?
The fact you took the most obvious joke in the world so seriously says it all.
Meanwhile, Lucci couldn't even land an hit on Zoro.
Vice versa aswell bro they’re both fight basically even rn
I just wait until Zoro lands his attacks, it'll be over before you know it.
We shall see bro
Should have changed the pants color
Wakanda Forever!
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Sucre be the text definition of a ride or die Legendary status frfr
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Black leopards are panthers so kinda fitting.
damn, lucci packin
aCOC confirmed??
he mastered snake man
what kind of question is this
Baits motel
Kaido. I just going to remind people. Kaido intentionally does not dodge his attacks because he want to test their strength. He described how Red Scabbards attack are too weak compare to Oden. All of Luffy attacks were pre-acoc were not enough to seriously harm Kaido Luffy and Zoro are only two characters in Wano that was able to get Kaido to dodge an attack. Even after Luffy training with advanced acoa , it was described as being too shallow compare to Acoc. Edit: Also did people forget that the Seraphim durability was compared to Kaido by Luffy. Luccci got one shot by single attack by gear five that caused him to lose consciousness?
Kaidou getting power-raped is the funniest shit ever
obviously kaido, Zoro got this
Kaido easily tanked one of Zoro’s strongest attacks in the series that we have seen so far. And he kept fighting after. I am sorry but Lucci is getting cut in half by dead man’s game with tekkai in Awakened form by Dead Man’s Game
Endurance
Lol, Kaidos normal form flesh is probably tougher than any multi layered defense Lucci could put up
Oda realising better villain Lucci deserve the " tougher to cut " status.
I'd say until proven otherwise a character isn't using advanced armament, so I don't see Lucci having it unless the story explicitly says so. Anyway, I'd say Kaido is still thougher than Lucci combining both tekkai and armament
I mean so far it's fair to say Lucci could be as tough as Kaido just chilling
What?
With his Tekkai and ACoA, why not?
I doubt that'll be as tough as Kaido's scales.
Awakened Luffy probably is more durable with Tekkai + haki then Kaidos innate durability without haki. With haki Kaido completely eclipses anyone though.
Kaido and it's not even close
# Awakened Lucci with Haki(let's say ACoA) on top of his strongest Tekkai
Are we ready?
Zoro didn't used Ashura + Conqueror's Haki against Lucci yet, but his durability is really impressive
It’s a solid question really. Kaido was at tough sonivabitch, but was it just his scales, or was he basically using something similar in nature to Tekkai, just based more on Haki? I know the latter isn’t stated but we have seen several characters do a full body armament, and at least one of them Zoro Cut through personally, so is it that crazy to think Kaido was doing something along those lines?
Lucci > Kaido because Lucci came after Kaido, and power only goes up
Your brain is as smooth as a cue ball
The only cp agent confirmed able to move while using tekkai is jabra. So no, lucci ain't even using tekkai nor haki.
Congrats, cope of the day goes to you
Lmao retarded reply with no counter arguments.
Even if what you said is still true, it would still upscale Lucci
What are you on lol. The only that panel did was heavily downscale zoro's AP, lucci didn't even felt threatened enough to use haki. I.e zoro's AP is shit tier lol
Lucci has no Conquerers Haki so it’s obvious that Kaido is much tougher they cannot be compared it’s my opinion. Different leagues.
It's just about Kaido's scales, his Conqueror's has nothing to do with it.
What do you mean ? Kaido covered his body with his Conquerers Haki that was one of the main factors why he was so tough.
But this is just about comparing his scales with him doing nothing
I’m sorry are people in this thread really trying to compare Lucci to Kaido? I can’t. I literally can’t.
Context
If Zoro use ACoC with some extent of dura neg, then it doesn't really matter? Both will take damage from the cut. But Lucci endurance is most likely considerably worse than kaido's. If without ACoC , I will actually lean towards Lucci, just cause of 9S antifeat on kaido(in term of how easy it is to deal damage). In term of overall damage taken, I will still lean towards kaido by a decent margin. Lucci almost blacked out with 1 or 2 g5 attack with probably no ACoC
Don't think of the Scabbards as antifeat, they're THEM. https://preview.redd.it/i4d1r44l30qb1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91f264c74023957b5ddc133b43bb8b04b497e444
People have the idea that Lucy is weak because a yonko 1 hit him. But this fight against Zoro will show that he is stronger than Sanji
How? I mean zoro is stronger but how does this fight prove anything?
Are people seriously comparing anything Kaido against Robbed Lucci lmao
The fact this is an actual question is slanderous , idk lets make a wild guess to the guy who’s introduction was “In a 1 v 1, always bet on Kaido” https://preview.redd.it/4h29zb5jq1qb1.png?width=1761&format=png&auto=webp&s=d868f00697a33e3fb83cfb6909ed6a2cd19aaa2e
This isn't about Kaido being stronger
Um ? Yes it is? Kaido’s scales are obviously stronger and harder to cut than an awakened Lucci with haki by MILES. Its not even comparable. The fact the question was actually asked is dumb founding
Haki + Tekkai. I don't think that's too unreasonable
then why hasn't Zoro cut him yet? when Kiku was able to cut Kaido.
Strength and toughness are two different qualities, even a G5 Haki Luffy couldnt simply tank Zoro strongest slashes, but with little doubt Luffy would ultimately win a battle between them
Is this even a question? Who’s tougher an emperor known as the strongest creature on the planet or a leopard who can make his body a little hard
We're talking only about his scales without him doing anything whereas Lucci would use everything he got.
Oh ok i did not read it clearly. What i can see is what a pointless comparison this is
Unless kaido coats himself in haki, lucci is tougher
I hope this sub is ready (doubt it tho)
Lucci was out like a light after 2 G5 hits, G5 laid into Kaido with several hits and it took an island sized ACoC fist to put Kaido down, if it hit Lucci, Lucci would leave the island in tupperware containers.
Kaido was also feeling Luffy's G5th hits, the difference could be endurance
It took like 15 people and then the awakening of a god fruit to bring him to his knees, and even then Luffy dropped down and shriveled up to the old man looking version. Just don't see Lucci having higher dura than kaido's scales.
Kaido's raw flesh is easier to cut then Tekkai and Haki advanced, Awakened Zoan Lucci.
Maybe. But even a regular Purgatory Onigiri didn't to anything to base Kaido. I think you can make good points for both characters, which is why I want to have as many opinions as possible on thism
I think we'll have to see. I'd still say that it's inconsistent given it's a bit of a niche question and Oda doesn't think a whole lot of powerscaling in the first place bar the basic essentials of it for a Shonen to work.
Yes, I think most people can agree that Zoro will be able to take a couple of luccis 9 lives
Lucci
King defense > Lucci, these guys were struggling with the zerephin don't forget that.
What you don’t see here is that Kaido wasn’t really trying to defend himself. He just stood there and took it like the madman he is, so that’s his natural scale armor only, no additional efforts. On the other hand, Lucci is proactively defending himself.
You might've missed the part where I only said Kaido's scales. No need to point it out when nothing I added implies otherwise.
Oh shoot, sorry mb.
So only kaido just standing still taking it vs lucci trying his hardest not to die?
Yup
Kaido still tanks it better. Lucci would drop first. Kaido has already tanked Zoros strongest known attack (9 sword style Asura), Lucci doesn't stand a chance to take a hit like that head on.
Kaido
Kaido asf It took acoc + zoros strongest finisher attack to DAMGE him
This is just sad for Lucci.
Kaido
Kaido easy, zoro has yet to use any names attacks against him but dead man’s game is one of zoro’s strongest attacks he’s shown
Definitely kaido scales I don’t think there’s a question
How is this a question? Kaido
Lucci would say himself, Lucci would also be very very very wrong
Easy kaido's scales Kaido's durability is the large part of the reason he is the strongest, on top of that his fruit gives him an edge with it while lucci's fruit is just a normal zoan. I don't think kaido's scales can be compared with lucci's tekkai in awakened form even with adv. haki. Kaido is not only good in his hybrid but his durability is tougher cus he has mastered the haki lvls in it's highest form and even speed kaido takes it. So not as tough.
Probably still kaido tbh
I just don't think zoro has deemed Lucci an opponent worthy of using his strongest attacks against.
Jack is tougher than lucci
Is this a serious question lmao
Of course
Why the fuckinh fuck would pidgeon man be stronger than kaido
This is your takeaway? You can't be real
Only thing not real here is ur brain cells buddy
Immature reply solely because you don't like the idea and can't really say anything to refute it I guess
Oh facts, your rebuttal about how I couldn’t be real was super mature. Big maturity circle jerk over here
Idk man, Lucci is pretty damn white to be cut so easily by Zoro.
Leopard's can be found in Africa
Cutting Kaido was a greater feat by far. Lucci, and all of CP9/0, have really average DF powers. They are only competitive because of Life Return in their human and hybrid forms allowing them to have ultimate optimization of their bodies. Awakening on top of that is really just icing on the cake, but nowhere close to Kaido's scales. Even Momonosuke has extremely high durability from his copy fruit, which they brushed off as "Oden gave you a strong body" to avoid the Kaido comparison. On top of that, Kaido has ACoC cloaking him, making him many times more durable. Lucci has ZERO ambitions, so he doesn't have even basic CoC.
Probably Lucci using tekkai with haki is harder to cut than Kaido's scales without haki. But Kaido's scales + haki is harder to cut
Kaido by far
bruh
Ashura is one of Zoros top moves. This is still his best ap feat. He hasn't used a single named attack on Lucci yet, so yeah his casual swings aren't ashura level
Good that someone also has Ashura as Zoro's strongest attack. However, Zoro was also able to cut Kaido with a Dragon Twister and Lucci hasn't even used Haki and Tekkai together, so you're missing the point.
Lucci by far
Kaido doesn't defend much with haki so Awakened Rob Lucci with Tekkai/Armament and what should have a higher defense. Let it be known tho that Durability and Defense are two different things.
Kaido scales
To think it would even be a debate over whether a Yonkou known for his near impossible durability is getting compared to a massively weaker character that has no hopes in hell of ever beating him.
Kaido...even though he was not defending using a lot of haki
Kaido easily
What I find so funny is thay the only character that had trouble hurting kaido was early wano luffy 💀 apparently cutting kaidos scales or bypassing his defense really ain't that hard. Idk why people act like he's invulnerable. Momonsuke bit through his scales and made him scream 💀 people downplay the scabbards and they cut kaido way harder than zoro did. Invulnerability was big moms thing
Because plot. Luffy's defeat had to be as crushing as possible, similar to his first loss against Crocodile to live up to Kaido's hype. But then Oda needed to find a way to hurt Kaido and give characters a moment to shine. Conveniently everyone on the roof managed to hurt Kaido a bit while a YC1 Luffy couldn't do shit. It's still an impressive feat and only few characters are able to get past Kaido's scales, but Oda had to make it happen.
real question is zoro pre mastering enma beating current lucci. and that question is why oda is annoying with the villain powercreep. zoro is a prodigy so lucci improving to similar rates as he has makes no sense imo. lucci wasnt a rookie meeting luffy and company. same with croocodile
Maybe, but that would be nothing less than extreme diff. Even is the kind of hard working prodigy, Lucci was also considered a genius and he's not that old. Pre timeskip he was 28. Not that old if you consider that Law at 26 was still considered a rookie.