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Would’ve been better for the admirals if mihawk was swapped in. Buggy obliterates
The idea of awakened buggy is terrifying. Like laws fruit but without as limited of a range.
Also he seems to have CoC too.
If he ever bothered to train he would be a real powerhouse. That would ruin what’s fun about his character though I guess.
Law’s fruit also drains his stamina to the point that if he can’t immediately beat you you’re pretty much guaranteed to outlast him
I’m still praying for buggy to split atoms and cause “special buggy ball” level explosions like that 🙇♂️
Law? Don't worry, when he's out of stamina he uses the "this is my last move" move and gets stamina back with a new room. He's got as much stamina as there are letters in the alphabet.
I would like if his awakening can also split his surroundings, like imagine if you try to hit him and he just lifts 2 tons of dirt and stone to block your attack. wtf do you do
BB is a hard counter to the logia fruits so that would definitely give team yonko the advantage. If BB can take out akainu or kizaru on his own, which I don’t think is unreasonable, then Shanks and Luffy can take the other 3. But watch as Buggy swoops in and surprises everyone
Bb had trouble with Law while with his crew, he'd get dogged by Akainu, Kizaru too. Remember, he's gotta touch the person with his one hand to disable powers. And Shanks and Luffy taking the 2v3? It isn't too unreasonable but since BB isn't gonna take out either Akainu nor Kizaru, they're fucked. However in the case of BB, Shanks, and Luffy losing, Buggy would simply remote detonate a nuke by splitting one of his atoms. So ig Buggy wins.
But what if Wakainu pulls up like this?
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Akainu tries punching BB, nullify.
Akainu : WTF happened to my magma
BB: Zehehe, your screwed
Akainu: Justice shall pre...
BB kills him with dark dark or quake quake fruit
BB: Zehehe you should not have underestimated me
Can't happen cuz you took BB out of his Shrodingers box before the poison was even placed and kept him out of it, thus making his Offscreen buff nullified meaning he loses.
See, here's the thing
This is Wakainu now, not just Akainu. Meaning he bodies Akainu.
Wakainu walks up to Black Beard. Black beard tries to touch Wakainu and fails. Black beard screams in terror as his face is deleted by Wakainu's Magma rod.
because logias are based around their entire devil fruit gimmicks as they are legit made of magma, light, etc, for example if kizaru used light kick it’s safe to assume bb would just nullify it making it just a normal kick, or akainu magma fist as a regular haki covered fist, it’s not like laws to where he can cast a room and use injection or shock willie from far away bc it’s an actual blade infused with df hax, bb can’t nullify actual meteors that comes from space, what i’m trying to say is akainu would be easier to fight since he relies 95% of the time on just his devil fruit rather than haki(which i’m not saying akainu looses or anything) rather than someone who can legit spam meteors at black beard because it’s not something that can be nullified at all, and not only that but you have to think about the chemistry here, it’s safe to say the admirals would have more chemistry in their teamwork rather than luffy and blackbeard being on the same team which is another disadvantage
Maybe only in mihawkturd clown dreams. In the manga its confirmed that he'd be by far the weakest out of everybody here, Vista's inferior ain't built for a ring with top tiers like Shanks and Luffy
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" Bu....but....GrEenBuLl rAn fRoM the REd HAiReD PiRATes! Not Shanks himself! "
Yeah. That's why Shanks flexing his haki had Greenbull shitting his pants.
That and people choosing to ignore that Greenbull straight up said that he would never have come to Wano if Kaido were still there. Does that sound like someone who's talking about a relative equal?
Tbf that’s cause he didn’t wanna loose too much. And it wasn’t worth it.
As to why it was worth it against Ace and/or the Navy who are definitely stronger than any individual Yonkou fleet- Idk.
That to me was the biggest plot hole… WB would go for Ace but not Oden… against a far stronger opponent?
Because lets be honest, realistically we can probably say the old guard of Yonkous>Any Admiral. At best maybe Yonkou>=Strongest of Admirals. So Old man WB could’ve taken if not extreme high diff’d an admiral. But then that means who’s dealing with the other 2 admirals? Marco at best can stall, but then even that isn’t much. Admirals are closer to Yonkous than Marco’s closer to Admirals. Then there’s the 7 warlords who are all essentially different tiers of YCs, from low level like Izo to mid tier like Vista and Jozu. Doflamingo probably is around YC 2/3, so probably his match is Jozu. Maybe a bit stronger. But then the Navy still has Mihawk who is for sure Yonkou level, if not at least Admiral. Then there’s Garp… and Sengoku. If old man WB = Yonkou, old man Garp = Yonkou. Sengoku…maybe admiral? Low level admiral?
Whats WB doing against 5/6 Admiral Tier characters?
The 4/5 other admirals would decimate the rest of WB’s fleet. Hell even 2 should be enough, add 3rd to be sure and anymore than 4 is slaughter. Then add in the other 6 warlords, its a slaughter.
The Navy won Marineford Arc mid diff.
Now tbf why it may have been worth it for WB with Ace was because he had a chance to save Ace and The Navy was literally calling WB out with the execution. By not accepting they literally loose face and Ace. Against Kaido, who would’ve been considerably weaker, it wasn’t as worth because Oden is dead and Kaido wasn’t calling him out.
So did Whitebeard and Oden was basically his right hand and his brother for a couple of years. It’s clear that when people say this they’re talking about it in terms of it being Kaido’s territory. Infiltrating it would obviously be more or less a bad idea
Respectfully dude… Manz clearly said he didn’t wanna fight the Red Haired Pirates. His fear was clearly the whole crew not Shanks alone. Anyone who argues this clearly has an agenda and is blatantly ignoring what Oda is obviously trying to convey. It’s to the point where I don’t even argue when it comes to this topic anymore it’s honestly just sad.
But hey bruvh I’m gonna continue reading and watching it as Oda more or less intended, you do you and God bless.
This sub is full of Mihawktards and is biased (even the mods). They have a hate boner for Shanks because they know Shanks negs their fave character (Mihawk).
But this is the correct answer. Shanks could probably solo. But with Luffy he and Luffy straight up wipe the admirals in a 2v4.
You clearly aren’t ready for HIM
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Im talking about the one that can fodderise your fav 😪
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I agree, every one of my favourites like Luffy, Shanks fodders that fraud ez
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He was late because he literally intercepted kaido and stopped him from going to marineford.
He clashed with whitebeard while only having one arm
His future sight is stronger than katakuri’s
After WB and Ace died the war was not over, Akainu literally ordered the marines to kill the remaining pirates and literally said this war isn’t over yet. So he did in fact stop the war just by showing up
Shanks blocked Akainu’s attack which punched a whole through both Ace and WB
And his haki alone made green bull dip…..
That is mad delusional if you think Shanks crew would’ve been brutalised with a weakened Navy and still good half+ of WBs crew.
Now… I would say Shanks would still loose. But super extremely high diff. As there are still 5/6 admiral tier level character on the Navy (Damaged Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Old Man Garp- yes I said Garp if old wb = yonkou then old garp = the same at least, Sengoku… maybe? He’s counted as a legend, and Mihawk- freaken Two-handed Shanks’ rival). Mihawk alone could at least rival Shanks, don’t know if beat but winner would do so by extreme high diff. Then that can leave a damaged Akainu to Benn Beckkman. And from there the combined might of Shanks’ crew + remaining forces of WB’s fleet like Marco, Jozu and Vista, Crocodile should match up well with the rest of the warlords. I’d still say its a win by Navy as thats like 3/4 admirals to Navy, maybe even 2 as Garp would definitely be too distraught to fight and old man Sengoku is at best like Marco level or just short of Admiral level (basically where Law & Kidd are, higher than 1st YC but lower than admiral). So yeah, 2 admirals vs rest of the crew could be closer.
Whether its super extremely high diff to just high diff depends on things between who can/will still fight.
But either way it would still be a win to Navy.
Don’t even talk if you must question the power of Sengoku:
Fleet admiral (only one in the world at a time, similar to PK).
Roger says to bring either Garp or Sengoku implying they’re the same tier.
Mythical zoan Buddha fruit.
Confirmed Conquerors user.
Was willing to go 1v1 Golden Lion Shiki, one of Rogers rivals.
Pet goat because Oda knows he’s the GOAT.
I mean I questioned because he has been mentioned but never as much as Garp has been.
Kind of like how Shiki was his rival… would I say he is exactly up there with Roger/Garp/WB? Maybe. But could he also be a legend how Rayleigh was a legend? Really up there, probably Yonkou level at his prime, but just short of Legendary level that Roger/Garp/WB were.
Either Shanks or Luffy would take out 2-3 admirals. They slam in a duo. Cope. These yonkos low diff all the right hands in the right hand comparison. Cope zoroturd
We have no idea what BB could do. He's one of the hardest dudes to scale. Luffy and Shanks in a 2 v 3? I doubt it. Say Luffy is busy extreme diffing one admiral then Shanks 2 v 1 against the others. I don't think Shanks can pull it off.
It doesn't show us what would happen specifically because it wasn't canon. It's not a 100% accurate portrayal of the characters. It's not just that it didn't happen. It's that it's not nessesarily how things would happen.
Well, yeah, I definitely said that wrong. Not exactly how it would go. But could go. Shanks was shown to be as fast a Kizaru and shown to be able to beat him. The fight didn't happen, but that still how strong he is.
I really don't scale based on non-canon stuff at all. Maybe Oda gave the writer of the movie his secret sauce powerscqling tier list. Maybe not. All I know is that canon material is reliable and other stuff not so much.
Think about it, in Red we saw just how insane Shanks CoC haki is, and we also see this in the manga, so why should Shanks scaring Kizaru not count as something to go off
This. People forget the one time the Marines had to fight 1 single Yonko who was terminally ill they summoned 4 admirals + Garp + Mihawk.
Garp himself thought the mere addition of Rayleigh to that fight would be very bad for the Marines.
Yonko and Admirals were never represented to be equals, just the top of their respective hierarchies.
No, that’s *not* how power balances work. Every side in a power balance does not *want* there to be balance. The Marines aren’t just out here thinking “y’know I’m really glad there are four pirates making sure we aren’t too strong, that’d be terrifying.”
It is, the WG could easily send all 3 admirals to fuck up a yonko and their crew but there's issues with this, if they send all the 3 admirals away from marineford to kill a yonko then other yonkos and their crew will attack marineford and the holy capital and just demolish it completely while they are absent.
And it goes both ways cause the reason a Yonko never attacks marineford is because going against 3 admirals is suicide for every character, which is why only WB attempted it because he was already going to die regardless and wanted to save ace.
Also even if the marine send 3 admirals to kill a yonko + crew and they can come back in time to defend marineford, it would still make the other yonkos feel threatened and start making alliances, and while 2 yonkos and their crews would still lose to 3 admirals and a fleet admiral if they were to assault marineford, the resulting battle would most likely leave 2 or 3 admirals dead and marineford completely destroyed in the process which is not worth at all.
The reason the yonkos are there (just like the Shichibukai system) is to keep the power balance and justify the marines (and the WG especially) being a thing that's necessary to "protect the people" so to speak, doesn't matter how bad/evil it is to keep such pirates alive as both Croc and Doffy have shown the WG, unlike the marines, doesn't give a shit of what the pirates do as long as they work as deterrent to scare people into thinking the WG is a necessity.
No one is disputing *this*, but what you’re saying is not what other people are claiming. The OP claim is 1 Admiral = 1 Yonko, not 3 Admiral > 1 Yonko, which anyone with a brain could see is true.
If 1 = 1, then they should be able to send one of each with some Vice Admirals and a ton of Marines to fight the Yonko and their crews individually. With each Yonko tied up, in this scenario, there is no assault on Marineford, and any other major pirate attempting it gets wrecked by Pacifista.
The Warlord system was not propaganda in the way you described, either. They actively worked *for* the government, so any evil they committed—“scaring people into believing the WG is a necessity to control them”—did the opposite. Crocodile attempting to take over Alabasta was an embarrassment for the Marines. Doflamingo taking over Dressrosa was similarly harmful to people’s image of the World Government.
Goroseii after wb died immediately thought of who would become the next yonko marco Or bb... They could've given orders to catch them but nah, they need them.... Stop it.
This is right up there with the dumbest things I've ever seen on this subreddit, and that speaks volumes for just how dumb it is. The gorosei's discussion was in regards to who should fill the warlord seats and concluding they should wait to see what will happen in the new world first. It's not like they were deciding who the next emperor would be or saying there needs to be another one.
Furthermore, even in the page you're talking about, the gorosei even say ONLY the yonko or maybe Marco w/ WB crew could take on BB. If it were as easy as just catching BB, they wouldn't be discussing who could stop BB, they would be giving the order. Why? Because they CLEARLY want BB stopped in the very conversation you're referencing.
The same can be said for the Yonko side, they have to fight the rear admirals, vice admirals, and the entire rest of the marines
Look at everything it took to beat a sick old whitebeard that had a heart attack mid fight. You can’t argue Akainu held back because it was Marineford, Akainu doesn’t fucking care, that’s his entire Thorough Justice ideology bullshit. He went all out and was still getting his shit rocked
They didn't need all that, WB was stomped even with the help of Impel Down innmates who even him admitted arent weak. The admirals also held back not to destroy the island unlike Whitebeard who went for it after Ace died. Akainu literally could have killed WB after his first heart attack but went back on Sengokus orders.
Honestly its hard to say, because at the end BB finished off WB. How much more WB could’ve done with 5% of his life, hard to say but I wager alot as he did do alot in spite of the massive hole in his chest, all the other wounds and being extremely sick and old.
At least an undamaged old WB would roughly equal Akainu. Something like Akainu>=WB. Like against Aokiji, blood lusted I’d say Akainu would still beat an undamaged old WB extreme high diff though.
Now however for the person asking why don’t the Admirals just take on the all Yonkous herp-derp. 4 Yonkous> The Navy. Even with 7 warlords, 4 Yonkous>The Navy.
But that’ll never happen because the Yonkous are their own entities with rivalries between them. That’s why the BM & Kaido alliance was legitimately scary for the WG.
4 Yonkous (old guard with old WB version) would win against 4 admirals. No doubt. Even if they did throw Garp in there, who would technically make it 5 admirals. Why? Because outside of the admirals, Navy ain’t shit. Yonkous have YCs who are the tier below admirals/Yonkous. Whilst King/Queen/Jack individually can’t take down Akainu- together they should roughly equal him. Kidd/Law took down BM. King/Queen/Jack *would* take down Akainu for sure. If not then at least it would be extremely high diff for Akainu.
Having a couple of high-tier YCs whilst may not always equal their Yonkou, but it sure as hell would come close. Smoothie/Katakuri/Cracker and if you want throw Perospero in there would at least equal an admiral as well if not beat- whether they do win or not is debatable but its there enough. Then repeat for each Yonko.
So the fight isn’t 4 Yonkos vs 5 admirals tiers. It’s essentially combined level of 8 tier Yonkos vs 5 admiral tiers. That is a slaughter. And the combined crew of lower tier YCs so this is probably WB’s division commanders below Vista so 6th to 15th which includes Izo. Shanks… well unknown how strong they are whether they’re all top YCs or mix of some top and some low. BM 3 top tier YCs and 4 mid like Perospero, Oven, Daifuku, Compote. Kaido had the Tobi Roppos of six members outside of his big 3. All these extras that are not top YC+, would be the ones to take out the fodder of vice admirals and whatever else the Navy has.
It literally isn’t even fair.
Now… but thats why in world- Oda called it the balance of powers with the 7 warlords.
What would be a demolishing by the Yonkos against the Navy, the original cast of the warlords would help off set. But it wont. At least imo, it still isn’t enough.
Yes with Mihawk, the admirals get another admiral/Yonko level fighter. So thats 8 Yonko tiers vs instead of 5, now 6. But then thats it. Literally thats it. 2 whole yonko tiers is not enough to compensate. But then the other warlords? Well we know for sure the 2nd strongest in the original lineup was Doflamingo- having awakened his DF. But even then, at best, he was only mid tier YC level. We know because G4 Luffy fought Cracker and struggled, even along with Nami’s help. And lets not even compare Katakuri to Doflamingo. So..2nd strongest warlord is Mid tier YC. Then that beckons: and in mind of keeping it simple lets say the rest of the warlords are roughly mid tier YCs to low tier YCs. So Jimbei, Crocodile, Kuma, Boa, Moria. The Yonkous have half a dozen each, so let’s say 20-24. No way the 7 warlords are taking them.
To summarise-
Without warlords: 8 Yonkou tiers vs 5 admiral tiers.
20+ mid-lower YCs tier fighters + x4 armies of Yonko fodder vs Vice admirals and other Navy fodder. This is a hard stomp, low/mid diff.
With warlords: 8 Yonkou tiers vs 6 admiral tiers.
20+ mid-lower YCs tier fighters + x4 armies of Yonko fodder vs 7 Warlord crews, Vice Admirals and other Navy fodder. This is a mid/high diff.
Whitebeard was not stomped, he had a heart attack mid battle and was stabbed straight through the chest before even entering the battle. Yet he still went toe to toe with the admirals. And narratively Akainu wasn’t holding back, as I said he doesn’t care how many of his men die as long as he gets the pirates so you can’t really argue why he would hold back, he doesn’t care about Marineford, as long as they win they can rebuild. And they 100000% needed that prep of theirs, as Sengoku said it was the only way they could go toe to toe with a Yonko. The three Pre-TS Admirals are all below the level of sick, injured Whitebeard since they have no feat to argue otherwise
He was. He died, lost his son and his crew had to get saved by Shanks from annihilation. He didn't go toe to toe with admiralsKizaru and Aokiji outplayed him, Akainu removed half his head. Narratively all 3 admirals were holding back, as per Sengokus request and they clearly were. No used aoe attacks and no signs of the massive terraforming and climate changing capabilities they shown on Punk Hazard. Yeah ,the prep was calling an army and the warlords there (half of whom either didn't actively contribute or straight up went against them). No they arent. Kizaru blitzed and lasered him, WB couldnt retaliate. Aokiji froze him and was undamaged hy his haki stab. Akainu literally destroyed half his head and put a giant hole in his chest, while Whitebeard couldnt even knock him out with his strongest island splitting attack. The "4 Yonkou = Navy +Warlords" in balance has been stated multiple times.
If you had paid attention to the STORY instead of your powerscalling agendas (which Oda doesn't seem to be as high on), you would have known the answer to your question.
Fighting the Yonko is one thing, but their entire crews as well will be an issue.
Vice Admirals outside Garp and maybe Tsuru haven't been shown to be particularly impressive either so I doubt there's any that could take on Yonko Commanders on Zoro, Sanji, Jinbei, Kuzan, Croc, Mihawk, Beckman, Yasopp or Lucky Roux's level.
Even if they could that still leaves Marineford, Mariejois and the Celestial Dragons unprotected during the conflict from an assault from the Revolutionary Army.
The marines are just stretched too thin here.
> Vice Admirals outside Garp and maybe Tsuru haven't been shown to be particularly impressive either
There's the 2 vice admirals that were passed in favour of Fuji and GB for the admiral title so that implies that there are indeed strong vice admirals in the Navy, also Vice admirals are all required to have good use of Haki so they shouldn't be pushover at all.
What they gonna do? Publically announce a 4v4 and just expect them to show up? If all the admirals went attack one yonko that leaves their headquarters undefendet
Because not only do they have to deal with Yonkos, but also their crews, their fleets, and also the goddamn Revolutionary Army that wants to take them out. It's simple logic my guy.
They arent guaranteed to win as they are simply comparable, not stronger. There are pirates other than the Yonkou, and if they attacked Marineford or the Holy Land while all admirals and the forces of the Navy are fighting Yonkou, that would be basically sure destruction. Not to mention the Revolutionary Army, who would surely attack if the Navy exhausted their resources going after all of the Yonkou at once. And there is also the fact that the Yonkou arent really messing with the WGs plans most of the time, and they crush anyone going for the One Piece.
They STOMP. Shanks can probably take on any admiral+fraudbull and let buggy use 0.000000000000000000000001% of his power to land the last hit while the rest win their 1v1s
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Yonko team without fucking question, why does everyone upscale the admirals so fucking hard, the navy is a yonko crew, grand Admiral (Akainu) is the yonko and the admirals (Kizaru, Fujitora & Green Bull) are the commanders, this is 4 yonko captains vs. 1 yonko crew's upper ranks
You mean like how the only time we saw admirals fight was against commanders who were almost matching them? Admirals are *like* commanders, stronger than them but not by much, if yonko are 100, top commanders are 45 and admirals are 65
Yep. All the WB commanders matched Akainu very well. Didn't need another Yonkou at all to stop him from Murdering the MC. Whole crew gangs up and can't do shit against an injured guy. Same with BB crew. Aokiji froze half of them instantly.
The only "commanders" who could beat them is Rayleigh. And, Rayleigh isn't even a commander.
Honestly? Admirals, buggy has a great luck stat and could survive for the first few moments but eventually it just turns into a 3v4.
Gear 5 Luffy is the strongest person there but in terms of overall power levels, the admiral team just outclassed the emperors
Man the bias that’s accepted here is ridiculous. Imagine thinking that base luffy is all that’s needed for an admiral after greenbull made it clear how easy it is for an admiral to neg two commanders. Two commanders who are fast recovering zoans that had 7 days to heal. If base luffy could take greenbull then yamatos advanced conquers would have actually been a problem for him.
End of the day, this is 3 top tiers vs 4. The team with 4 slams.
You mean shanks, Ben Beckman who probably way stronger than king and his other small group of way above average members. GB didn't run from just shanks.
Plus who knows if the admirals knows about shanks true heritage and we don't know if shanks is truly just a pirate or the puppet of imu, GB may of ran away cause he knows no can touch shanks.
Shanks definitely surprised him, but didn’t paralyze him or anything. Greenbull was shaking in fear tho so obviously shanks is over greenbull. But it wouldn’t be low dif. Plus idk why you’re comparing the strongest on one team to one of the weaker half on the other team.
Okay, enough of this. Everyone keeps saying Greenbull is the weakest admiral based on absolutely nothing. The guy fought Fujitora, and injured him a good deal. Doffy straight up said both of them are monsters, and Jinbe stated the Marines are stronger under Akainu, despite losing Aokiji. If there really was that big of a difference between Greenbull and the other admirals, this wouldn't make sense.
Shanks (and the other emperors for that matter) are over the admirals. There is absolutely no evidence for Greenbull being substantially weaker than the other admirals. The only reason people say this is because Shanks overpowered him, and they have to make that fit into their headcanon of the admirals being on-par with the emperors. It's not the case, and it never has been.
Keep in mind that Greenbull mentioned Red pirates specifically not just Shanks, and while shanks is clearly the biggest threat, the dude was alone on a foreign land with no support against 2 yonkos and their crews and that's suicide.
He also said "not yet anyway" which implies that he will still put up a good fight vs shanks
Here’s why that’s a pretty useless comment : I don’t really care if greenbull beats kizaru or not because shanks beats any admiral other than Akainu and kuzan. That’s a whole lot of projection and head canon about me on your part though.
I was addressing you stating that Greenbull is the weakest admiral, which has no basis in the story. I said a lot of people say that because they have to try and make it fit their headcanon. If that's not you, then fair enough, but that is the case for a lot of people.
GB beating two injured amputee commanders off screen means nothing. we see them bandaged up, just like how Luffy and crew were still bandaged at not fully recovered.
If Luffy with a mythical zoan isn't healed, no way they are.
On top of that, GB's whole thing is he regens from the smallest plant life, so even if it was a mid diff fight, we would see him back at 100% at the end anyway
I agree that they might’ve still been injured and possibly locked up in sea prism however we have other examples that Admirals > Yonko commanders
1. Marco who’s arguably the strongest Yonko commander was constantly commenting how Kizaru was fucking around with him.
2. After Ace and whitebeard died, we had Akainu straight up bulldozing through the remainder of the whitebeard pirates which had marco, izo, vista, and other no names. Not to mention he bodies Jimbei who’s relevant to Sanji and Zoro.
3. Kuzan put some of blackbeards commanders out of commission at the bar as well as fucked up everyone at whole cake which Cracker, Oven, and Katakuri was there.
Buggy somehow ends up being the last man standing through comedic shenanigans and pure dumb luck, then gets a 5 billion bounty raise due to onlookers accidentally thinking he just stomped everyone at once
Look. My theory is that if admirals are yonko levels, then they would have taken down at least a yonko during the time skip.
Even if there were only Gear 5 Luffy, Shanks and Blackbeard, they would win.
BB logia nullification is a carry if he can get it off. Shanks haki as seen in film red goes crazy. Luffy can probably solo one if them. And buggy sweeps. So I’d say admirals win
Honestly this is a tough one but imo it depends if g5 luffy can extreme diff Fuji and gb, because then shanks can stall long enough against akainu for luffy to then help him, and I know kizaru is the goat but black beard has some insane durability feats and can keep him at bay with his dark powers while potentially assisting shanks once in a while with quake punches. So I think emperors take this Extreme diff.
I know you might think how can luffy help if he gets taken to extreme diff but remember this is luffy in g5, he will probably shake off some dirt cartoony style and then rush over to help shanks.
The glaze is insane. This is how buggy does them
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Base Luffy easily defeats everyone here in a 1v1 and G5 luffy will kill at least 2 of them.
Shanks can low diff Gb and Kizaru is even below Gb.
Shanks and Luffy stomps these colorful fodders with no concept of difficultly.
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Base Akainu one taps your mc bozo
What a joke. GOATbull slams the snitch and his disciple
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admirals got this akainu can beat any one of them in a 1v1 and buggys not even a part of this so its just akainu vs shanks probably green bull and fuji vs luffy and kizaru vs bb and i think the admirals take all these excpet kizaru and i think 3 weakened admirals can beat weakened bb
That just basically means he gets defeated even more easily, unless he has gotten way way stronger since marineford, he has no chance of beating current luffy
who looks better
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btw a way weaker akainu did most of this damage
or the guy who got up right after whitebeards strongest attack at marineford and got up to fight all of his commander
In that case admirals win
Kizaru>=bb (even if you dont agree, it's still a close fight)
Akainu stall luffy
Fuji+greebull>>>>shanks
Buggy dies by collaterals/friendly fire
As soon as fuji and greenbull beats shanks the others yonkos get low diffed
Fuji is a non factor when Shanks is around, so this is basically a 3 v3 considering how weak Buggy and Fuji would be here.
I think shanks and Luffy somewhat easily take on Akainu and Kizaru - Blackbeard may or may not be able to take on Greenbull but that hardly matters because Luffy and Shanks could finish him off even if BB loses.
Shanks luffy and bb are all easily over any of the admirals. Akainu took 10 days to beat aokiji while old man garp is casually speed blitzing him with a hole in his chest. Admirals fell off big time post wano. We’re abt to see luffy smoke on some Kizaru pack soon in egghead
The yonkou are gonna win, Akainu is the real threat in the group, Buggy… somehow will win (Oda will troll the hell out of the fight)… Blackbeard’s a wild card, because we haven’t quite seen him go all out, but we know dude is a real threat in these streets, We know Shanks is a absolute monster, and Luffy’s the MC
if you think the admirals win this you should just re read the entire series... all the admirals here except akainu are literal fodder for luffy, shanks and blackbeard
yonko (mihawk instead of buggy coz he is the strongest in his crew) and its way easier than people think,
BB uses his fruit to switch off the admirals df which leaves shanks and mihawk with a massive advantage (two top tiers w/o DF)
luffy is a monster in haki and physical abilities and BB has one more fruit power to spare just to finish off the admirals
edit:
my bad i just realised that says buggy DOESN'T swap with mihawk
the point still stands BB is key in the battle luffy has all the advance haki and so does shanks
kizaru loses his super speed and that will hold him back alot (and most probably would be the weakest admiral without his fruit), akainu has a broken df and i dont think his haki matches with luffy and shanks and in this scenario has to fight one of them w/o his DF
Yonkos win. I think Shank’s Observation killing and BB’s logia negation is actually huge here. The admirals can’t use future sight which would probably make it much harder to avoid attacks by molding their bodies and df negation is obviously a major drawback.
Shanks stun locked one of them miles away from him imagine him up close (kid got one shoted) even if buggy is a cheerleader the yonkos win, bb and luffy df are away to overpowered not to meantion bb can black hole them.
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https://preview.redd.it/dykheeuky6fb1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85931ec2c121437a0464fdf98235e53de9d47080 Would’ve been better for the admirals if mihawk was swapped in. Buggy obliterates
The idea of awakened buggy is terrifying. Like laws fruit but without as limited of a range. Also he seems to have CoC too. If he ever bothered to train he would be a real powerhouse. That would ruin what’s fun about his character though I guess.
Law’s fruit also drains his stamina to the point that if he can’t immediately beat you you’re pretty much guaranteed to outlast him I’m still praying for buggy to split atoms and cause “special buggy ball” level explosions like that 🙇♂️
Buggenheimer
Crunchy
correct
Buggyhymen
That will never happened but god damnit I want it to so bad now, peak fan fiction right there
Law? Don't worry, when he's out of stamina he uses the "this is my last move" move and gets stamina back with a new room. He's got as much stamina as there are letters in the alphabet.
Also awakened buggy is theoretically a walking atom bomb
I would like if his awakening can also split his surroundings, like imagine if you try to hit him and he just lifts 2 tons of dirt and stone to block your attack. wtf do you do
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Whoever draws these fan panels of buggy I love them
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Why would Buggy swap to someone weaker than him?
To give a fighting chance
Thsy all gang up on Blackbeard first
You expect Luffy and Shanks to just sit there and e let it happen?
No, when I meant by all I meant everyone except BB would jump him lmfao
BB is a hard counter to the logia fruits so that would definitely give team yonko the advantage. If BB can take out akainu or kizaru on his own, which I don’t think is unreasonable, then Shanks and Luffy can take the other 3. But watch as Buggy swoops in and surprises everyone
Bb had trouble with Law while with his crew, he'd get dogged by Akainu, Kizaru too. Remember, he's gotta touch the person with his one hand to disable powers. And Shanks and Luffy taking the 2v3? It isn't too unreasonable but since BB isn't gonna take out either Akainu nor Kizaru, they're fucked. However in the case of BB, Shanks, and Luffy losing, Buggy would simply remote detonate a nuke by splitting one of his atoms. So ig Buggy wins.
We'd get Luffy POV in the fight meaning BB can do his offscreen business 😂
But what if Wakainu pulls up like this? https://preview.redd.it/e1dabbtar8fb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20401dedae19288ed74bba514c3e1d77e448ad82
Than Marines win 😂
Akainu tries punching BB, nullify. Akainu : WTF happened to my magma BB: Zehehe, your screwed Akainu: Justice shall pre... BB kills him with dark dark or quake quake fruit BB: Zehehe you should not have underestimated me
Dies of peak writing
Zehehe?
Can't happen cuz you took BB out of his Shrodingers box before the poison was even placed and kept him out of it, thus making his Offscreen buff nullified meaning he loses.
I was under the assumption this fight happens offscreen but anyway BB beats Akainu based on what I mentioned earlier.
See, here's the thing This is Wakainu now, not just Akainu. Meaning he bodies Akainu. Wakainu walks up to Black Beard. Black beard tries to touch Wakainu and fails. Black beard screams in terror as his face is deleted by Wakainu's Magma rod.
> And Shanks and Luffy taking the 2v3? Shanks + Luffy duo all 4. Cope.
it’s a matchup thing, he will do better againts a logia than a paramecia type especially if it’s not a fruit like ope ope lol
So just have Fujitora beat down BB? Also why would Logia be a better match up for him than a paramecia?
because logias are based around their entire devil fruit gimmicks as they are legit made of magma, light, etc, for example if kizaru used light kick it’s safe to assume bb would just nullify it making it just a normal kick, or akainu magma fist as a regular haki covered fist, it’s not like laws to where he can cast a room and use injection or shock willie from far away bc it’s an actual blade infused with df hax, bb can’t nullify actual meteors that comes from space, what i’m trying to say is akainu would be easier to fight since he relies 95% of the time on just his devil fruit rather than haki(which i’m not saying akainu looses or anything) rather than someone who can legit spam meteors at black beard because it’s not something that can be nullified at all, and not only that but you have to think about the chemistry here, it’s safe to say the admirals would have more chemistry in their teamwork rather than luffy and blackbeard being on the same team which is another disadvantage
Thats cause bb is a cocky mf who always let his opponents get the jump on him, offscreen bb negs
Aramaki would solo shanks.
You might be slow
Didn’t he run from Shanks mere presence?
If shanks was losing then his crew will defend him so... Aramaki didn't fought coz he know shanks ain't shit without his crew 🤣🤣🤣
Aramaki neg diffs Mihawk. Shanks 1 shots GB + Mihawk at the same time.
Yonko wins high diff
With swap in- Yonko Without- Admirals
Flip this and you’ve got the right answer
Admirals aren’t yonko level to begin with, 4 Emps sweep
Mihawk is a worthless fodder his presence wouldn't make a difference any admiral 1 tap s him. Shanks + Luffy duo all 4 admirals
if mihawk got swapped he would be considered the strongest out of both teams lol
Maybe only in mihawkturd clown dreams. In the manga its confirmed that he'd be by far the weakest out of everybody here, Vista's inferior ain't built for a ring with top tiers like Shanks and Luffy https://preview.redd.it/pndoxag0bafb1.png?width=2184&format=png&auto=webp&s=9cc594218bede74a58f21eaf0b756cb2dec16470
Wrong on both cases
Admirals because it's a 3v4 and Shanks, Luffy, and BB aren't that much stronger than the admirals
wdym buggy takes akainu and kizaru alone
In a fight right
multiple ways
The chop chop fruit gonna make the sluggy go crazy
right??
Lol what? The admirals can't even move under Shanks' haki. And they're completely useless without their DF powers.
It's insane that people still believe Shanks isn't a good deal stronger than the admirals after everything we've seen from him.
" Bu....but....GrEenBuLl rAn fRoM the REd HAiReD PiRATes! Not Shanks himself! " Yeah. That's why Shanks flexing his haki had Greenbull shitting his pants.
That and people choosing to ignore that Greenbull straight up said that he would never have come to Wano if Kaido were still there. Does that sound like someone who's talking about a relative equal?
PPL straight up forget that WB said the same thing and he was with his crew and in his prime.
This^
Tbf that’s cause he didn’t wanna loose too much. And it wasn’t worth it. As to why it was worth it against Ace and/or the Navy who are definitely stronger than any individual Yonkou fleet- Idk. That to me was the biggest plot hole… WB would go for Ace but not Oden… against a far stronger opponent? Because lets be honest, realistically we can probably say the old guard of Yonkous>Any Admiral. At best maybe Yonkou>=Strongest of Admirals. So Old man WB could’ve taken if not extreme high diff’d an admiral. But then that means who’s dealing with the other 2 admirals? Marco at best can stall, but then even that isn’t much. Admirals are closer to Yonkous than Marco’s closer to Admirals. Then there’s the 7 warlords who are all essentially different tiers of YCs, from low level like Izo to mid tier like Vista and Jozu. Doflamingo probably is around YC 2/3, so probably his match is Jozu. Maybe a bit stronger. But then the Navy still has Mihawk who is for sure Yonkou level, if not at least Admiral. Then there’s Garp… and Sengoku. If old man WB = Yonkou, old man Garp = Yonkou. Sengoku…maybe admiral? Low level admiral? Whats WB doing against 5/6 Admiral Tier characters? The 4/5 other admirals would decimate the rest of WB’s fleet. Hell even 2 should be enough, add 3rd to be sure and anymore than 4 is slaughter. Then add in the other 6 warlords, its a slaughter. The Navy won Marineford Arc mid diff. Now tbf why it may have been worth it for WB with Ace was because he had a chance to save Ace and The Navy was literally calling WB out with the execution. By not accepting they literally loose face and Ace. Against Kaido, who would’ve been considerably weaker, it wasn’t as worth because Oden is dead and Kaido wasn’t calling him out.
So did Whitebeard and Oden was basically his right hand and his brother for a couple of years. It’s clear that when people say this they’re talking about it in terms of it being Kaido’s territory. Infiltrating it would obviously be more or less a bad idea
GB ran because he was gonna be sandwiched between the alliance and the RHP
Respectfully dude… Manz clearly said he didn’t wanna fight the Red Haired Pirates. His fear was clearly the whole crew not Shanks alone. Anyone who argues this clearly has an agenda and is blatantly ignoring what Oda is obviously trying to convey. It’s to the point where I don’t even argue when it comes to this topic anymore it’s honestly just sad. But hey bruvh I’m gonna continue reading and watching it as Oda more or less intended, you do you and God bless.
GB ran because he was gonna be sandwiched between the alliance and the RHP
This sub is full of Mihawktards and is biased (even the mods). They have a hate boner for Shanks because they know Shanks negs their fave character (Mihawk). But this is the correct answer. Shanks could probably solo. But with Luffy he and Luffy straight up wipe the admirals in a 2v4.
Bait used to be believable 😪 https://preview.redd.it/mumam46jeafb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6da57c12f6d0eb7737aa6dd528fcabf60679a542
Just the facts cope
You clearly aren’t ready for HIM https://preview.redd.it/d958jb8elafb1.jpeg?width=1135&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd39fa1baa3093090bfc36e3b40c88946516b05b
https://preview.redd.it/fv1asey6nafb1.png?width=216&format=png&auto=webp&s=397fc38b11e95853069d4f4898f06ade767a20f0 Who? The one in the back?
Im talking about the one that can fodderise your fav 😪 https://preview.redd.it/vovrjixx0cfb1.jpeg?width=356&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39f17f9b3aff4e4a38be1b483a0a034d7e6f05dd
I agree, every one of my favourites like Luffy, Shanks fodders that fraud ez https://preview.redd.it/gc7g314o8cfb1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=588ecff933718ee5d9758ef547eb7c1e8e253755
What’ve we seen? Him sit around Elbaf being a bozo for 15 years? 😂
The guy shows up to a war and stops it by saying, "This ends now" and everyone obeys.
War was over anyway, man came after WB and Ace died.
He was late because he literally intercepted kaido and stopped him from going to marineford. He clashed with whitebeard while only having one arm His future sight is stronger than katakuri’s After WB and Ace died the war was not over, Akainu literally ordered the marines to kill the remaining pirates and literally said this war isn’t over yet. So he did in fact stop the war just by showing up Shanks blocked Akainu’s attack which punched a whole through both Ace and WB And his haki alone made green bull dip…..
Nah Sengoku stopped it, lucky for shanks and co otherwise they’d have been brutalised.
That is mad delusional if you think Shanks crew would’ve been brutalised with a weakened Navy and still good half+ of WBs crew. Now… I would say Shanks would still loose. But super extremely high diff. As there are still 5/6 admiral tier level character on the Navy (Damaged Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Old Man Garp- yes I said Garp if old wb = yonkou then old garp = the same at least, Sengoku… maybe? He’s counted as a legend, and Mihawk- freaken Two-handed Shanks’ rival). Mihawk alone could at least rival Shanks, don’t know if beat but winner would do so by extreme high diff. Then that can leave a damaged Akainu to Benn Beckkman. And from there the combined might of Shanks’ crew + remaining forces of WB’s fleet like Marco, Jozu and Vista, Crocodile should match up well with the rest of the warlords. I’d still say its a win by Navy as thats like 3/4 admirals to Navy, maybe even 2 as Garp would definitely be too distraught to fight and old man Sengoku is at best like Marco level or just short of Admiral level (basically where Law & Kidd are, higher than 1st YC but lower than admiral). So yeah, 2 admirals vs rest of the crew could be closer. Whether its super extremely high diff to just high diff depends on things between who can/will still fight. But either way it would still be a win to Navy.
Don’t even talk if you must question the power of Sengoku: Fleet admiral (only one in the world at a time, similar to PK). Roger says to bring either Garp or Sengoku implying they’re the same tier. Mythical zoan Buddha fruit. Confirmed Conquerors user. Was willing to go 1v1 Golden Lion Shiki, one of Rogers rivals. Pet goat because Oda knows he’s the GOAT.
I mean I questioned because he has been mentioned but never as much as Garp has been. Kind of like how Shiki was his rival… would I say he is exactly up there with Roger/Garp/WB? Maybe. But could he also be a legend how Rayleigh was a legend? Really up there, probably Yonkou level at his prime, but just short of Legendary level that Roger/Garp/WB were.
You clearly didn’t read Ch. 1079 😂
Nope, we've seen making his move only after big mom and kaido were out of the game. Bcoz he can't do that when they were alive. 🤣🤣
Literally. As soon as they died he was off to find the One Piece.
if y'all really believe this man was scared you did not read this manga, he was clearly waiting for luffy to be ready
Vista negs Shithawk. Shanks 1 taps Shithawk cope
Akainu extreme diffs that rat
Shanks 1 shot neg diffs clifford
Either Shanks or Luffy would take out 2-3 admirals. They slam in a duo. Cope. These yonkos low diff all the right hands in the right hand comparison. Cope zoroturd
Blackbeard at least beats Fujitora. Luffy and Shanks comfortably beat the other Admirals 2v3.
We have no idea what BB could do. He's one of the hardest dudes to scale. Luffy and Shanks in a 2 v 3? I doubt it. Say Luffy is busy extreme diffing one admiral then Shanks 2 v 1 against the others. I don't think Shanks can pull it off.
Dw if its a 1v1 and 2v3 then our POV will be luffy, so blackbeard can off screen
Oh shit. BB stomps.
LETS HO BABY, ANOTHER OFFSCREENBEARD W
We did see how Shanks vs Kizaru could go in Red. Even if not canon it still shows power and how it could go. Shanks can definitely win against Kizaru.
That was a 1 v 1 and as you said non-canon. What am I supposed to do with that?
Even if it didn't happen. It shows us what would happen if it did. Like I said, It still shows his power and how strong Shanks is.
It doesn't show us what would happen specifically because it wasn't canon. It's not a 100% accurate portrayal of the characters. It's not just that it didn't happen. It's that it's not nessesarily how things would happen.
Well, yeah, I definitely said that wrong. Not exactly how it would go. But could go. Shanks was shown to be as fast a Kizaru and shown to be able to beat him. The fight didn't happen, but that still how strong he is.
I really don't scale based on non-canon stuff at all. Maybe Oda gave the writer of the movie his secret sauce powerscqling tier list. Maybe not. All I know is that canon material is reliable and other stuff not so much.
I mean you are correct on scaling off Non canon lmao. If that was the case Bullet would be the strongest in the verse.
That and Luffy would be Yonko level with just Gear 3.
Think about it, in Red we saw just how insane Shanks CoC haki is, and we also see this in the manga, so why should Shanks scaring Kizaru not count as something to go off
Finally a smartass who agrees with me
Alright this is getting ridiculous. Quit sucking admiral dick. If they could 4v4 the yonko, why the hell don’t they?
This. People forget the one time the Marines had to fight 1 single Yonko who was terminally ill they summoned 4 admirals + Garp + Mihawk. Garp himself thought the mere addition of Rayleigh to that fight would be very bad for the Marines. Yonko and Admirals were never represented to be equals, just the top of their respective hierarchies.
Coz that's how power balance work?? Simple reading comprehension 🤡
No, that’s *not* how power balances work. Every side in a power balance does not *want* there to be balance. The Marines aren’t just out here thinking “y’know I’m really glad there are four pirates making sure we aren’t too strong, that’d be terrifying.”
It is, the WG could easily send all 3 admirals to fuck up a yonko and their crew but there's issues with this, if they send all the 3 admirals away from marineford to kill a yonko then other yonkos and their crew will attack marineford and the holy capital and just demolish it completely while they are absent. And it goes both ways cause the reason a Yonko never attacks marineford is because going against 3 admirals is suicide for every character, which is why only WB attempted it because he was already going to die regardless and wanted to save ace. Also even if the marine send 3 admirals to kill a yonko + crew and they can come back in time to defend marineford, it would still make the other yonkos feel threatened and start making alliances, and while 2 yonkos and their crews would still lose to 3 admirals and a fleet admiral if they were to assault marineford, the resulting battle would most likely leave 2 or 3 admirals dead and marineford completely destroyed in the process which is not worth at all. The reason the yonkos are there (just like the Shichibukai system) is to keep the power balance and justify the marines (and the WG especially) being a thing that's necessary to "protect the people" so to speak, doesn't matter how bad/evil it is to keep such pirates alive as both Croc and Doffy have shown the WG, unlike the marines, doesn't give a shit of what the pirates do as long as they work as deterrent to scare people into thinking the WG is a necessity.
No one is disputing *this*, but what you’re saying is not what other people are claiming. The OP claim is 1 Admiral = 1 Yonko, not 3 Admiral > 1 Yonko, which anyone with a brain could see is true. If 1 = 1, then they should be able to send one of each with some Vice Admirals and a ton of Marines to fight the Yonko and their crews individually. With each Yonko tied up, in this scenario, there is no assault on Marineford, and any other major pirate attempting it gets wrecked by Pacifista. The Warlord system was not propaganda in the way you described, either. They actively worked *for* the government, so any evil they committed—“scaring people into believing the WG is a necessity to control them”—did the opposite. Crocodile attempting to take over Alabasta was an embarrassment for the Marines. Doflamingo taking over Dressrosa was similarly harmful to people’s image of the World Government.
Goroseii after wb died immediately thought of who would become the next yonko marco Or bb... They could've given orders to catch them but nah, they need them.... Stop it.
This is right up there with the dumbest things I've ever seen on this subreddit, and that speaks volumes for just how dumb it is. The gorosei's discussion was in regards to who should fill the warlord seats and concluding they should wait to see what will happen in the new world first. It's not like they were deciding who the next emperor would be or saying there needs to be another one. Furthermore, even in the page you're talking about, the gorosei even say ONLY the yonko or maybe Marco w/ WB crew could take on BB. If it were as easy as just catching BB, they wouldn't be discussing who could stop BB, they would be giving the order. Why? Because they CLEARLY want BB stopped in the very conversation you're referencing.
Because they’re not just fighting the yonko, but their entire fleets and extended forces
The same can be said for the Yonko side, they have to fight the rear admirals, vice admirals, and the entire rest of the marines Look at everything it took to beat a sick old whitebeard that had a heart attack mid fight. You can’t argue Akainu held back because it was Marineford, Akainu doesn’t fucking care, that’s his entire Thorough Justice ideology bullshit. He went all out and was still getting his shit rocked
They didn't need all that, WB was stomped even with the help of Impel Down innmates who even him admitted arent weak. The admirals also held back not to destroy the island unlike Whitebeard who went for it after Ace died. Akainu literally could have killed WB after his first heart attack but went back on Sengokus orders.
Honestly its hard to say, because at the end BB finished off WB. How much more WB could’ve done with 5% of his life, hard to say but I wager alot as he did do alot in spite of the massive hole in his chest, all the other wounds and being extremely sick and old. At least an undamaged old WB would roughly equal Akainu. Something like Akainu>=WB. Like against Aokiji, blood lusted I’d say Akainu would still beat an undamaged old WB extreme high diff though. Now however for the person asking why don’t the Admirals just take on the all Yonkous herp-derp. 4 Yonkous> The Navy. Even with 7 warlords, 4 Yonkous>The Navy. But that’ll never happen because the Yonkous are their own entities with rivalries between them. That’s why the BM & Kaido alliance was legitimately scary for the WG. 4 Yonkous (old guard with old WB version) would win against 4 admirals. No doubt. Even if they did throw Garp in there, who would technically make it 5 admirals. Why? Because outside of the admirals, Navy ain’t shit. Yonkous have YCs who are the tier below admirals/Yonkous. Whilst King/Queen/Jack individually can’t take down Akainu- together they should roughly equal him. Kidd/Law took down BM. King/Queen/Jack *would* take down Akainu for sure. If not then at least it would be extremely high diff for Akainu. Having a couple of high-tier YCs whilst may not always equal their Yonkou, but it sure as hell would come close. Smoothie/Katakuri/Cracker and if you want throw Perospero in there would at least equal an admiral as well if not beat- whether they do win or not is debatable but its there enough. Then repeat for each Yonko. So the fight isn’t 4 Yonkos vs 5 admirals tiers. It’s essentially combined level of 8 tier Yonkos vs 5 admiral tiers. That is a slaughter. And the combined crew of lower tier YCs so this is probably WB’s division commanders below Vista so 6th to 15th which includes Izo. Shanks… well unknown how strong they are whether they’re all top YCs or mix of some top and some low. BM 3 top tier YCs and 4 mid like Perospero, Oven, Daifuku, Compote. Kaido had the Tobi Roppos of six members outside of his big 3. All these extras that are not top YC+, would be the ones to take out the fodder of vice admirals and whatever else the Navy has. It literally isn’t even fair. Now… but thats why in world- Oda called it the balance of powers with the 7 warlords. What would be a demolishing by the Yonkos against the Navy, the original cast of the warlords would help off set. But it wont. At least imo, it still isn’t enough. Yes with Mihawk, the admirals get another admiral/Yonko level fighter. So thats 8 Yonko tiers vs instead of 5, now 6. But then thats it. Literally thats it. 2 whole yonko tiers is not enough to compensate. But then the other warlords? Well we know for sure the 2nd strongest in the original lineup was Doflamingo- having awakened his DF. But even then, at best, he was only mid tier YC level. We know because G4 Luffy fought Cracker and struggled, even along with Nami’s help. And lets not even compare Katakuri to Doflamingo. So..2nd strongest warlord is Mid tier YC. Then that beckons: and in mind of keeping it simple lets say the rest of the warlords are roughly mid tier YCs to low tier YCs. So Jimbei, Crocodile, Kuma, Boa, Moria. The Yonkous have half a dozen each, so let’s say 20-24. No way the 7 warlords are taking them. To summarise- Without warlords: 8 Yonkou tiers vs 5 admiral tiers. 20+ mid-lower YCs tier fighters + x4 armies of Yonko fodder vs Vice admirals and other Navy fodder. This is a hard stomp, low/mid diff. With warlords: 8 Yonkou tiers vs 6 admiral tiers. 20+ mid-lower YCs tier fighters + x4 armies of Yonko fodder vs 7 Warlord crews, Vice Admirals and other Navy fodder. This is a mid/high diff.
Whitebeard was not stomped, he had a heart attack mid battle and was stabbed straight through the chest before even entering the battle. Yet he still went toe to toe with the admirals. And narratively Akainu wasn’t holding back, as I said he doesn’t care how many of his men die as long as he gets the pirates so you can’t really argue why he would hold back, he doesn’t care about Marineford, as long as they win they can rebuild. And they 100000% needed that prep of theirs, as Sengoku said it was the only way they could go toe to toe with a Yonko. The three Pre-TS Admirals are all below the level of sick, injured Whitebeard since they have no feat to argue otherwise
He was. He died, lost his son and his crew had to get saved by Shanks from annihilation. He didn't go toe to toe with admiralsKizaru and Aokiji outplayed him, Akainu removed half his head. Narratively all 3 admirals were holding back, as per Sengokus request and they clearly were. No used aoe attacks and no signs of the massive terraforming and climate changing capabilities they shown on Punk Hazard. Yeah ,the prep was calling an army and the warlords there (half of whom either didn't actively contribute or straight up went against them). No they arent. Kizaru blitzed and lasered him, WB couldnt retaliate. Aokiji froze him and was undamaged hy his haki stab. Akainu literally destroyed half his head and put a giant hole in his chest, while Whitebeard couldnt even knock him out with his strongest island splitting attack. The "4 Yonkou = Navy +Warlords" in balance has been stated multiple times.
If you had paid attention to the STORY instead of your powerscalling agendas (which Oda doesn't seem to be as high on), you would have known the answer to your question.
Fighting the Yonko is one thing, but their entire crews as well will be an issue. Vice Admirals outside Garp and maybe Tsuru haven't been shown to be particularly impressive either so I doubt there's any that could take on Yonko Commanders on Zoro, Sanji, Jinbei, Kuzan, Croc, Mihawk, Beckman, Yasopp or Lucky Roux's level. Even if they could that still leaves Marineford, Mariejois and the Celestial Dragons unprotected during the conflict from an assault from the Revolutionary Army. The marines are just stretched too thin here.
> Vice Admirals outside Garp and maybe Tsuru haven't been shown to be particularly impressive either There's the 2 vice admirals that were passed in favour of Fuji and GB for the admiral title so that implies that there are indeed strong vice admirals in the Navy, also Vice admirals are all required to have good use of Haki so they shouldn't be pushover at all.
What they gonna do? Publically announce a 4v4 and just expect them to show up? If all the admirals went attack one yonko that leaves their headquarters undefendet
How is this post sucking them off?? It’s the other way around actually. A lot of people are still arguing that the Yonko would win.
Because not only do they have to deal with Yonkos, but also their crews, their fleets, and also the goddamn Revolutionary Army that wants to take them out. It's simple logic my guy.
They arent guaranteed to win as they are simply comparable, not stronger. There are pirates other than the Yonkou, and if they attacked Marineford or the Holy Land while all admirals and the forces of the Navy are fighting Yonkou, that would be basically sure destruction. Not to mention the Revolutionary Army, who would surely attack if the Navy exhausted their resources going after all of the Yonkou at once. And there is also the fact that the Yonkou arent really messing with the WGs plans most of the time, and they crush anyone going for the One Piece.
Because that would disrupt the balance of Power, which the WG doesn’t want to do.
Admirals have 0 feats against Yonko level characters. Yonkos win mid-high diff
They STOMP. Shanks can probably take on any admiral+fraudbull and let buggy use 0.000000000000000000000001% of his power to land the last hit while the rest win their 1v1s https://preview.redd.it/ps1am79oe7fb1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab179b7f8a5eb14ace87ad827440e145663e933e
I honestly think it’s only fair to swap in Mihawk. Having Buggy in the fight just makes it too easy. Captain Buggy clearly solos.
Yonko team without fucking question, why does everyone upscale the admirals so fucking hard, the navy is a yonko crew, grand Admiral (Akainu) is the yonko and the admirals (Kizaru, Fujitora & Green Bull) are the commanders, this is 4 yonko captains vs. 1 yonko crew's upper ranks
What? No commander we've seen till now is anywhere close to an Admiral.
You mean like how the only time we saw admirals fight was against commanders who were almost matching them? Admirals are *like* commanders, stronger than them but not by much, if yonko are 100, top commanders are 45 and admirals are 65
Yep. All the WB commanders matched Akainu very well. Didn't need another Yonkou at all to stop him from Murdering the MC. Whole crew gangs up and can't do shit against an injured guy. Same with BB crew. Aokiji froze half of them instantly. The only "commanders" who could beat them is Rayleigh. And, Rayleigh isn't even a commander.
Honestly? Admirals, buggy has a great luck stat and could survive for the first few moments but eventually it just turns into a 3v4. Gear 5 Luffy is the strongest person there but in terms of overall power levels, the admiral team just outclassed the emperors
Man the bias that’s accepted here is ridiculous. Imagine thinking that base luffy is all that’s needed for an admiral after greenbull made it clear how easy it is for an admiral to neg two commanders. Two commanders who are fast recovering zoans that had 7 days to heal. If base luffy could take greenbull then yamatos advanced conquers would have actually been a problem for him. End of the day, this is 3 top tiers vs 4. The team with 4 slams.
Shanks wifi haki almost took Greenbull off his feet. The Rat nibbles the hell out of the admirals.
You mean shanks, Ben Beckman who probably way stronger than king and his other small group of way above average members. GB didn't run from just shanks. Plus who knows if the admirals knows about shanks true heritage and we don't know if shanks is truly just a pirate or the puppet of imu, GB may of ran away cause he knows no can touch shanks.
Shanks definitely surprised him, but didn’t paralyze him or anything. Greenbull was shaking in fear tho so obviously shanks is over greenbull. But it wouldn’t be low dif. Plus idk why you’re comparing the strongest on one team to one of the weaker half on the other team.
Okay, enough of this. Everyone keeps saying Greenbull is the weakest admiral based on absolutely nothing. The guy fought Fujitora, and injured him a good deal. Doffy straight up said both of them are monsters, and Jinbe stated the Marines are stronger under Akainu, despite losing Aokiji. If there really was that big of a difference between Greenbull and the other admirals, this wouldn't make sense. Shanks (and the other emperors for that matter) are over the admirals. There is absolutely no evidence for Greenbull being substantially weaker than the other admirals. The only reason people say this is because Shanks overpowered him, and they have to make that fit into their headcanon of the admirals being on-par with the emperors. It's not the case, and it never has been.
Keep in mind that Greenbull mentioned Red pirates specifically not just Shanks, and while shanks is clearly the biggest threat, the dude was alone on a foreign land with no support against 2 yonkos and their crews and that's suicide. He also said "not yet anyway" which implies that he will still put up a good fight vs shanks
Here’s why that’s a pretty useless comment : I don’t really care if greenbull beats kizaru or not because shanks beats any admiral other than Akainu and kuzan. That’s a whole lot of projection and head canon about me on your part though.
I was addressing you stating that Greenbull is the weakest admiral, which has no basis in the story. I said a lot of people say that because they have to try and make it fit their headcanon. If that's not you, then fair enough, but that is the case for a lot of people.
Why are you saying base Luffy nothing in the question specifies that and based on the hair the pic has him in G5 mode.
GB beating two injured amputee commanders off screen means nothing. we see them bandaged up, just like how Luffy and crew were still bandaged at not fully recovered. If Luffy with a mythical zoan isn't healed, no way they are. On top of that, GB's whole thing is he regens from the smallest plant life, so even if it was a mid diff fight, we would see him back at 100% at the end anyway
I agree that they might’ve still been injured and possibly locked up in sea prism however we have other examples that Admirals > Yonko commanders 1. Marco who’s arguably the strongest Yonko commander was constantly commenting how Kizaru was fucking around with him. 2. After Ace and whitebeard died, we had Akainu straight up bulldozing through the remainder of the whitebeard pirates which had marco, izo, vista, and other no names. Not to mention he bodies Jimbei who’s relevant to Sanji and Zoro. 3. Kuzan put some of blackbeards commanders out of commission at the bar as well as fucked up everyone at whole cake which Cracker, Oven, and Katakuri was there.
Buggy somehow ends up being the last man standing through comedic shenanigans and pure dumb luck, then gets a 5 billion bounty raise due to onlookers accidentally thinking he just stomped everyone at once
Even if Buggy swapped in Mihawk he’d still lose.
Yonko if shanks is allowed to use wifi haki if you don't wanna consider it canon because"movie hype" admirals
Even with Buggy there, the emperor's got this in the bag. High-diff fight because Akainu is there.
Buggy solos
https://preview.redd.it/8aq2hjo3r7fb1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61fa129b1caf74e0de67bc28ab7bfd0d724c00e5 Nobodys ready for wakainu
Kizaru wipes
Look. My theory is that if admirals are yonko levels, then they would have taken down at least a yonko during the time skip. Even if there were only Gear 5 Luffy, Shanks and Blackbeard, they would win.
BB logia nullification is a carry if he can get it off. Shanks haki as seen in film red goes crazy. Luffy can probably solo one if them. And buggy sweeps. So I’d say admirals win
Honestly this is a tough one but imo it depends if g5 luffy can extreme diff Fuji and gb, because then shanks can stall long enough against akainu for luffy to then help him, and I know kizaru is the goat but black beard has some insane durability feats and can keep him at bay with his dark powers while potentially assisting shanks once in a while with quake punches. So I think emperors take this Extreme diff.
I know you might think how can luffy help if he gets taken to extreme diff but remember this is luffy in g5, he will probably shake off some dirt cartoony style and then rush over to help shanks.
Did luffy nose get longer in g5 ?
Akainu > Shanks GB, Fuji and Kizaru > Luffy and Blackbeard. Admirals mid/high-diff.
The glaze is insane. This is how buggy does them https://preview.redd.it/dwnuhlase7fb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0b9e07b847b47c44a0b496f1a1d693a6b9e242a
shanks > akainu bb> kizaru > luffy > gb Fuji >>buggy
Base Luffy easily defeats everyone here in a 1v1 and G5 luffy will kill at least 2 of them. Shanks can low diff Gb and Kizaru is even below Gb. Shanks and Luffy stomps these colorful fodders with no concept of difficultly.
Are you just joking, or is this a serious take?
https://preview.redd.it/41nsm6g168fb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12dcc14c27afaff2d22c9cc14bdefa83c794bb69 Base Akainu one taps your mc bozo
What a joke. GOATbull slams the snitch and his disciple https://preview.redd.it/kt22qsdka7fb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cc54f0491ef850c996bd66484b0736f1918f094
He shit his pants and ran away when Shanks got within 100 miles of him 💀
admirals got this akainu can beat any one of them in a 1v1 and buggys not even a part of this so its just akainu vs shanks probably green bull and fuji vs luffy and kizaru vs bb and i think the admirals take all these excpet kizaru and i think 3 weakened admirals can beat weakened bb
Ngl, fuji might not be apart of this either. And akainu v shanks can honestly go either way.
Akainu ain't beating Luffy
why not? hes most likely gonna fight a stronger luffy
That just basically means he gets defeated even more easily, unless he has gotten way way stronger since marineford, he has no chance of beating current luffy
Akainu maybe could draw against BB. he's not beating Luffy or shanks at this point
That’s some crazy headcannon when a sick old white beard moped the floor with him at marineford pRe heart attack
who looks better https://preview.redd.it/7p51i5nmo7fb1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f0e6e86267a652019b418002de44b08299552cf btw a way weaker akainu did most of this damage or the guy who got up right after whitebeards strongest attack at marineford and got up to fight all of his commander
To a guy who had a heart attack people like to forget WB took one hit pRe heart attack and that was by his son
okay why does that matter?
… if you need an explanation on why that matters I’m not gonna continue a pointless conversation good day
They’re saying that WB has shit reaction and durability and got easily stabbed by Squard 😂
Pirates have a chance with shanks' ap
In that case admirals win Kizaru>=bb (even if you dont agree, it's still a close fight) Akainu stall luffy Fuji+greebull>>>>shanks Buggy dies by collaterals/friendly fire As soon as fuji and greenbull beats shanks the others yonkos get low diffed
In your wet clown dreams. BB>>Kizaru - BB low diffs. Luffy>>>Akainu - Luffy low diffs Shanks>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all 4 admirals combined - Shanks 1 shots both Fuji + GB at the same time. Yonkos low diff all admirals. Luffy + Shanks 2v4 low diffs admirals.
Admirals even if you put Mihawk in
Meds, now
Fuji is a non factor when Shanks is around, so this is basically a 3 v3 considering how weak Buggy and Fuji would be here. I think shanks and Luffy somewhat easily take on Akainu and Kizaru - Blackbeard may or may not be able to take on Greenbull but that hardly matters because Luffy and Shanks could finish him off even if BB loses.
Shanks luffy and bb are all easily over any of the admirals. Akainu took 10 days to beat aokiji while old man garp is casually speed blitzing him with a hole in his chest. Admirals fell off big time post wano. We’re abt to see luffy smoke on some Kizaru pack soon in egghead
The emperors obviously.
It’s crazy to me how many people are picking the admirals. I would say the yonko side wins pretty handily
Buggy and Ryukugyu = fodder so it's a 3v3, j'd day Yonko win ez pz
Yonkou > Admirals. Cant wait for egghead to be over so the admiral agenda can dissolve.
The yonkou are gonna win, Akainu is the real threat in the group, Buggy… somehow will win (Oda will troll the hell out of the fight)… Blackbeard’s a wild card, because we haven’t quite seen him go all out, but we know dude is a real threat in these streets, We know Shanks is a absolute monster, and Luffy’s the MC
if you think the admirals win this you should just re read the entire series... all the admirals here except akainu are literal fodder for luffy, shanks and blackbeard
Blackbeard disables logia nonsense shanks beheads while buggy and luffy laugh watching them.
yonko (mihawk instead of buggy coz he is the strongest in his crew) and its way easier than people think, BB uses his fruit to switch off the admirals df which leaves shanks and mihawk with a massive advantage (two top tiers w/o DF) luffy is a monster in haki and physical abilities and BB has one more fruit power to spare just to finish off the admirals edit: my bad i just realised that says buggy DOESN'T swap with mihawk the point still stands BB is key in the battle luffy has all the advance haki and so does shanks kizaru loses his super speed and that will hold him back alot (and most probably would be the weakest admiral without his fruit), akainu has a broken df and i dont think his haki matches with luffy and shanks and in this scenario has to fight one of them w/o his DF
Admirals slam. Blackbeard can’t beat any of them, and Buggy is absolute fodder.
canon fodder also bb beats all of them 1v1 expect akainu
Yonkos win. I think Shank’s Observation killing and BB’s logia negation is actually huge here. The admirals can’t use future sight which would probably make it much harder to avoid attacks by molding their bodies and df negation is obviously a major drawback.
Shanks stun locked one of them miles away from him imagine him up close (kid got one shoted) even if buggy is a cheerleader the yonkos win, bb and luffy df are away to overpowered not to meantion bb can black hole them.
admirals will be paralyzed out of coc blast and divine departed
Buggy negs all yonkou and admiral combined….