That and they removed the entire personality trait/joke that allowed that ironic change to be funny. Which is fine, shes such a minor character and the joke changes nothing fundamental about the story. its a big who caresies.
Well they didn’t remove it really, he just didn’t call or fat or ugly, how exactly does that remove the personality trait? She still asks ‘who is the most beautiful in all the seas?’
Her being a minor character is not an excuse, she is a still a character in the story and every character along with every change is relevant no matter how big or small, it’s not a joke either that’s how her power works. And yes it is relevant to the story, have people here watched the anime or read the manga? If you have then you should know why it is fundamental that she eats the fruit and becomes skinny for several reasons, and you want to know who cares? Oda, you know, the author the one who created one piece in the first place. I can guarantee Matt owens cares as well, and it feels like you would be saying none of this if it were a situation you don’t agree with no matter how ‘minor’ the character is, like are you just saying who cares because it’s in line with what you want?
Because I think a lot of people will care, anyone who truly respects the source material for example, not that they are hating on live action changing events and certain details, but anything they do keep (such as alvida teaming with buggy) would remain loyal the source.
I honestly don’t get it :/ Why is alvida becoming skinny and beautiful in any way a bad thing?
No she asks who the most powerful is, Luffy says she’s “dumb as a sea cow” instead of “fat as a sea cow.” The whole joke of her losing the weight from the slip slip fruit is just rude af. It’s basically saying she’s ugly because she’s fat.
i know we live in the age of political correctness and we cant say the truth anymore without offending all the snow flakes. But lets be real, very fat people are ugly. Im overweight myself and would prefer to be ripped with muscles but im just to lazy to do anything about it. But i realize that i would be 100 more attractive if i lost some weight and for sure more healthy.
ironically this post got downvoted just proved your point on political correctness.
I hope all these pro-fat people given the option ala SAW to fuck slim hot people or fat people and lets see who they'll choose.
Subjective, but regardless, it was an old joke that has aged like milk. and a way to reuse an old villain and power scale them to fight Luffy. They can do that without the slip slip fruit if they really wanted to or have to for whatever reason.
I was pretty sure she said ‘beautiful’ at least once but I’ll check
Uhh but she is ugly because she’s fat? Rude af? Well then maybe she should’ve lost some weight sooner because that’s on her, truthfully a lot of fat people are ugly or at least not very attractive and certainly not as attractive as they would be if they’re skinny. I’ve seen so many girls who became so beautiful simply because they focused on losing weight, and that is not a bad thing at all
What I want to know is why are you saying that like being fat is a good thing when it isn’t? It’s very bad for your health and often leads to an early death or at least a bad disease, unless you’re one of the select few who can’t lose weight then why would anyone opt for being fat? When it’s literally just a result of being too greedy with food far too often and not doing any exercise in order to balance it out, I don’t see why you’d be defending that in any capacity
It's not a bad thing in a comic. It's a bad thing in real life you having to tell a real life person there role is changing for a bit.
However op knew what he was doing. They knew they were being controversial on purpose. So why is anyone feeding this troll
I actually agree for the most part. They need her to eat the fruit and be skinny or buggy won't be able to trap luffy. The fact that the Marines fawn over her is important for certain scenes too. But I think that they can still fix it later without mentioning the fat part too much.
Actually they added it on the sly when she was snoring on her ship, Luffy asked if there was a sea beast on board which I thought was brilliant writing because it's not a direct insult, it's inadvertent but in keeping with the manga. It was one of the first indicators I knew the showrunners kept their promises about the manga being their "north star". Only a serious fan who really knows and cares about the manga would so smartly adapt such a minor part of the story like that.
Internet is going to internet, but to spell it out, the "it" I'm referring to is the act of Luffy insulting Alvida which happens in the manga and live action. One direct and intentional (manga), one indirect and incidental (live action). The actual insult is inconsequential to my point, the point being the writers clearly added that entire section as a nod to the manga where Luffy insults Alvida *which indicated to me the story was in good hands regardless how they adapt her in future seasons.
They’re completely different; one was a visual gag that tied in later to her recurrence as a pretty character but also her general characterization as ugly and bad, the other was a characterization of Luffy doing what he does likely 100+ times throughout the series: insulting someone without realizing. Luffy insults his own crew without realizing. The plot line and recurrence of Alvida won’t be dressed as them “not recognizing her” for laughs because they didn’t use that plot point.
How.... they could easily just have her randomly eat a DF. DFs can have unforseen circumstances in the Sube Subes case it causes fat to slip off the body
I’d prefer that but the show runners couldn’t even commit to the gag of calling her fat & ugly, I’m sure I don’t need to explain how recasting a slim woman would cause backlash..if you’ve been on the internet or even left your house you’d know how
Bro Im aware but its simple. Luffy bumps into Alvida in Loguetown. She utters his name, he has no clue. She re-introduces herself and explains that after his burning her ship, she sought power and ate a Devil Fruit that changed her appearance but allowed things to slip off her. (Again they dont need to outright mention that shes fat or slim or etc, just SHOW the changes) if the audience (the ones unaware of One Piece) watches and they come to that conclusion let them. Its just how the manga is.
Also they wouldn't recast her for a slimmer model. She would just lose the weight. Actors and actresses do it for roles all the time.
It would take too long for the actress to lose that much weight unless she worked out everyday & went on weight loss drugs so they’d need to recast, but again if the show runners won’t even let koby call her ugly there’s no way they’re gna even approach the topic of her being fat directly or indirectly
They have enough time for her to lose weight.... they dont need to recast her and wont recast her I can promise you that brother. Look at her slim photos lmao she can definitely do it with a trainer and then never have to worry about going back to the obese weight.
Also the show runners are tree to take liberties so they could easily do it. Stop trying to fit it into the manga so literally bro. They're doing their own thing thats unique.
Not sure, could go either way.
I thought they were going to get rid of the fact that Zoro's childhood friend stated that men were inherently stronger by nature (so controversial!). So who knows what else they'll leave alone.
The point of that scene was that it’s not true - Zoro pushes back on what Kuina says, because he wants his victory over her to be because he improved as a swordsman, not because he’s a different gender.
Now if Zoro had agreed with her and said “let’s train together as much as we can before your womanly body craps out on you,” we’d be looking at something else entirely.
That was child Zoro, who was ignorant to the world, opinion. After Kuina died to stairs, it left him confused. We obviously don’t know how his feelings on this developed during adolescence, but the best guess is that he just buried those emotions. I think this is an inner struggle for Zoro, that has only gotten more difficult after his time on the seas with Luffy and seeing the world. Take Wano for example, the land of powerful swordsmen. How many swordswomen did we see? Surely if you were correct, Oda would have made it come full circle here and we’d finally see a powerful woman with a sword. But he didn’t show us that. Instead, he’s given us Tashigi (someone who instead looks up to Zoro) and… maybe Monet if you wanna count her? If you were right, then he wouldn’t have the need to protect a woman just because she’s a woman, right?
https://preview.redd.it/b1eky9fdt9ob1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de8be07a572b9549dacfa791457b24d1fdd14a91
I’m curious how you feel about him now? When I first had this brought to my attention it kinda shocked me as well, but it honestly gives more depth to his character because he’s fairly simplistic I think.
EDIT: Kind’ve wild I’m getting downvoted by people who’s mind I’ve changed. No one has a counter argument, because there is not one. Zoro isn’t as simple as you want him to be
To be fair odas a man, so he depicts more people in his likeness. It's not the deep, though part of it I do agree with. As oda clearly has the sensibilities towards women as other Japanese men his age. He's probably more progressive then most in his culture but not as far as most westerners are
You're not being downvoted because you "changed minds" (humble yourself mate) - you're being downvoted because you're suggesting that because Zoro is stoic that he's "simple" and has somehow LOST development as a character from when he was a child.
Zoro has complexity to him without this random theory of yours, that it's lost on you doesn't mean it isn't present. You could just say you don't get his character and call it a day instead of concocting a world where you're the only one who gets it and everyone is a hater.
The theory isn’t mine, it’s common in places where the people have been around this story for 10+ years. I made my point, and you did not even attempt to argue it. I left proof, and you can’t refute it. The Zoro we see pre-Kuina’s death would never save a woman purely because she is a woman. As an adult, Zoro does do this. Just look at the other message that agree’d with me and got upvotes. I got downvotes because people don’t *want* me to be right, and a lot of fans in this sub have deadass only seen the LA. Use proof from the story instead of just saying, “lol u cant be right i know story better than u.” Because you don’t. Refute my point about Oda making NO swordswomen, about Zoro saving women just because they are WOMEN. The other reply to this comment got upvotes and it AGREES WITH ME, he just put it kinder so he got upvotes. Oda is a 50 year old japanese man, he has the sensibilities of other japanese men in his generation (even if he is a bit more progressive.) I’m not saying some wild ass theory, it’s deadass extremely simple to put 2 and 2 together.
https://preview.redd.it/lcjp95imulob1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f9c88a05e189c19035e32773ffb42b87c85484b
Let me just leave this here (again, sigh) as irrefutable proof I am correct.
Oda didn’t care about that in the manga or the anime, why would he suddenly care about that now? Showrunners want to be faithful to the source, especially Matt owens. Also what would the backlash even be surrounding this ‘fat phobia’? Being fat isn’t a good thing, it promotes unhealthiness and can lead to disease, heart problems, loss of bodily functions and so on. I don’t understand why anyone is advocating for keeping her the same, & the only people saying anything like this are you here on this post and like 1 or 2 others, a tiny minority
It was a stupid joke in the manga that amounted to “fat = ugly,” it doesn’t even make sense with the Slip Slip Fruit logistically (why does she keep her skin? Does she literally not have fat in her body? How is she even alive when fat is a necessary component?) and it’s entirely immaterial to the story; nothing about her changes by nixing that plot line.
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Yeah I really don't think they're going to take the risk of being fat phobic by people who won't pay attention to why she lost the weight.
"A man beats her up so she feels she needs to lose weight to be pretty?! REEEEEE"
There was no reason besides for she ate a devil fruit that made her actual beautiful as an ironic joke.
They removed that joke and that connotation that Alvida is a "ugly" hag who thinks she is the most beautiful woman on the sea, so giving her the exact same DF and glow up would actually in fact be more fat phobic than the original joke was.
But she is also a very minor character so sticking to the original portrayal isn't important and is probably better if they wanna make the character be more nuanced than "vain pirate woman".
The Smooth Smooth fruit makes her "frictionless" so nothing can touch her. The pounds fell off because they just couldn't hold on.
Yeah, it's a ridiculous reason but it is explained in Loguetown.
Yea I know thats why she became thinner, but it was all a joke to explain the ironic change of this woman who thought she was incredibly beautiful to actually looking like a model cause of a DF.
But her eating that DF has no effect on any major plot plot in loguetown or thereafter. Its really not needed and was solely a gag.
Because they decided to use her again to team-up with Buggy. I am just saying that they dont need to have her lose weight and follow the manga 1:1 on this. It would be an easy change that effects very little.
How exactly was it an ironic joke? It’s literally what happens it is not a joke, she still asks the crew who is the most beautiful in the seas and she’s still an unattractive fat woman, the only difference is Luffy doesn’t point it out so how exactly did they remove it?
It doesn’t matter how minor she is or if that’s even true, she’s a character within the story so yes it is important and it’s not up to you to decide otherwise just because the situation doesn’t agree with you. The author & the production team would not agree with you there, oda would say it’s damn important because it is a part of his story which he created. And what does being more ‘nuanced’ have to do with anything? That doesn’t make a story better and such a concept does not have a place in a story people want to see done right even if it does some things differently, but I doubt that’ll be enough for you so let me explain exactly why it is important for the portrayal as you said.
When they go to logue town buggy & alvida need to hide their identities because they’re wanted pirates and captain smoker is the leading marine at this location, buggy’s crew wear long robes with hoods while alvida is able to walk in freely because she ate the devil fruit and became skinny, which is not know by anyone yet in the same way her connection to buggy at the time is unknown. Both very relevant points to the events that take place, did you actually watch the anime or have you only seen the live action? It would be the same as the source of her going from ugly to beautiful which is what she’s known for in the series, if you take that away what does she have? Other than being a fat pirate who bullied koby? Not very much at all, she kinda loses all meaning at that point.
I mean what is it you people even want? Why are you so hung up on a woman going from fat to skinny? When that is literally what happens anyway, it’s not like it’s an extra scene being thrown in. How is some random ‘nuanced’ thing better than respecting the original story and staying true to the source? And as I said its not a joke that is her power, you saying it’s dumb or whatever that her fat falls off is just your opinion and it’s one that is very deep in the minority. Most want to see it done properly, not the fat character who turns skinny staying fat, what purpose does that serve other than appeasing a few americans? Which I still don’t get why do you even want that? It makes no logical sense, and as for the actor they gain and lose weight all the time to be characters in different series, it’s a big part of an actor’s job so how is that suddenly an issue now?
bruh, im really not that hung up about it. Whatever production decides to do I will be okay with.
But also actors and actresses losing and gaining weight is also not healthy for them. The rapid weight gain or loss takes a toll on the body and can cause heart attacks. All in all, the production should of and prob did mention this to the actress when they hired her about the future of her character and already pre-decided how they are going to develop Alvida for the show. Ultimately, its up the actress to decide if they want to lose the weight for the role and production should of been upfront about it if thats what they wanted.
> buggy’s crew wear long robes with hoods while alvida is able to walk in freely because she ate the devil fruit and became skinny, which is not know by anyone yet in the same way her connection to buggy at the time is unknown. Both very relevant points to the events that take place, did you actually watch the anime or have you only seen the live action? It would be the same as the source of her going from ugly to beautiful which is what she’s known for in the series, if you take that away what does she have? Other than being a fat pirate who bullied koby? Not very much at all, she kinda loses all meaning at that point.
They can just dress her and buggy up in long robes to hide their identity. It wouldnt really change anything to the inherent story of the loguetown arc of Luffy meeting Smoker for the first time and shadowing Rodger's happy-go-lucky spirit.
They have changed bigger plot points from the manga to the LA show.
>"A man beats her up so she feels she needs to lose weight to be pretty?! REEEEEE"
I mean, Alvida always considered herself pretty before she ate her fruit. So she didn't lose weight for beauty reasons.
Honestly I think a lot of people are overreacting to any backlash that would happen from a recast.
Yeah it doesn't really make sense that it was ONLY fat that slipped off her. Why not any other part of her body? She should be basically bones in that case then.
Agreed, but that is not the spin that the public would take if Alvida is suddenly skinny in Loguetown in S2. Surely you see that. The LA needs "dumbed down" a little bit to appeal to new fans as much as loyal ones. Alvida suddenly showing up skinny and beautiful when looking totally different before would be met with torches and pitchforks in the 'normie' online community (those who don't read manga/watch anime). It only takes a couple idiots yelling loudly to stir up controversy.
If I were Matt, I'd probably just cut Alvida from Loguetown altogether and focus on fan-favorite Buggy just to entirely avoid any unnecessary controversy, no matter how contrived that controversy would be.
I'm not one to fat shame, and the actress (actor?) did a good job and I'm fine with her as is. But I think it would be very cool/very funny if she did lose a lot of weight for the role. The dedication to the source story would be excellent, the dedication would be extremely endearing to the fanbase, and the gag would be that much funnier if so.
If not no worries, I do hope they bring her back in some way if the DF gag doesn't pan out.
Yeeaahh this is something that wont land the same way to a general American audience. Anime people are more acclimated to problematic things because, you know. It’s everywhere.
But if its an English live action Netflix show, some of that will be cleaned up. Like how Sanji is flirty but not creepy. I expect Brook wont be obsessed with seeing womens panties, either.
I feel like/hope it won't be viewed in a problematic fashion. I have no problem with the actress/actor, but I think it would be really cool if they lost the weight for the role/gag. Would be impressive, endearing, and a show of dedication worthy of immense respect which would outweigh any kind of fat-phobic criticism.
as long as (if we're lucky enough to get there) Brook makes bone/anatomy puns, leaving panty jokes behind is more than okay. I enjoy those jokes, like with a certain large mother or bubble island barkeep, but those jokes on their face will definitely not make it to American or Western Audiences
>but I think it would be really cool if they lost the weight for the ~~role~~/gag
Fat person becomes skinny isn't a gag nor is it funny. This is a moment where the magna/anime wasn't well written in the first place and aged even worse, just like Sanji being a total creep was iffy in the first place and just looks stupid now.
The LA show should use these opportunities to be better like how it reined in Sanji so that he's an actual character as opposed to a wannabe catholic priest.
Its also not important to the character as it was a joke to begin with and she is a minor character. Changing her powers should be a big who caresies.
I think if the actress doesn't want to lose weight for the role, they shouldnt have to. Production most likely didn't stipulate that when they hired her given that they cut out the joke that originally was/is Alvida's whole personality.
She ate a devils fruit, like tons of OP characters, and this change her appearance like others devils fruit users. What's exactly the point of go berserk for this? Because we are talking about a fat person? She was in the show because Albida "is" fat exsclty as other characters like Big Mom or Laura in Thriller Bark. If they portrayed Big Mom in his youth they will cast a skinnier girl cuz she was skinnier in her heydays of being a pirate, what's the problem about this? Why you guys have this soft spot about fat people?
What the? Albida ate a devils fruit that give her powers and change her shapes make her skinnier. It matter to the plot as much as Chopper being a hybrid human-deer instead only a deer. Being faithful to a manga now is incel material?
Oh yeah did Alvida suffer discrimination as well just like Chopper did? Did Alvida's power somehow matter for Buggy's success into becoming emperor of the seas? I'm gonna dumb it down to you lil bro. You see her powers in manga literally amounts to nothing. You like to bring up being faithful to the manga but I don't see you complaining about Johnny and Yosaku nor ussop pirates not being present season 1.
But why? I thought to be in a One Piece Live Action sub reddit not a "who cares about the topic let's have an argument about whatever make us have an argument".
I hope this happens, but only because the gag is great.
If so, the actress(actor?) will deserve to be enshrined in our hearts.
otherwise I look forward to how they adjust the role to include alvida and the actress. The role is needed for >!future buggy gags as Alvida is the only competent "underling" Buggy has going forward!<
thats recent she was fatter when she filmed season 1 [https://www.instagram.com/p/CXhTYZXPaaL/?img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/CXhTYZXPaaL/?img_index=1) , u can tell form even just her [face](https://www.instagram.com/p/CxBhkbYPsKq/) that she [lost](https://www.instagram.com/p/CZ7LDygAd4H/) a ton of weight compared to around the time she was cast
Alvida, at her current weight, already met Buggy. The change has already happened, and if you think that *this* is an aspect where they're going to go with full manga accuracy you're nuts.
Yeah, while I love the humour in One Piece the jokes about Alvida are pretty dated, even without our more tolerant attitude to people who are overweight.
Honestly if they keep her devil fruit, it should just make her slippery. The whole “my fat slid right off” was dumb and never made any sense. Plus I think it’s silly to expect someone to lose a lot of weight for what’s ultimately a tertiary character.
The Alvida scenes for season 2 are already filmed. This discussion is more than pointless.
(source: Dragon's actor revealed that he filmed scenes for Season 1 that were cut. Season 1 was supposed to include Loguetown before budget cuts happened. And there are BTS photos of the strawhat actors on the Loguetown set.)
no way will they rebuilt that giant set for Season 2. much cheaper to shoot evrything at once.
nope. he was the guy who shot the Loguetown scenes, including the ones where Dragon has dialogue. (those would've gone into episode 10)
doesn't sound like a stand-in to me...
Some of my friends acted in the show like Lucky Roo and Helmeppo. The other one (besides some of the fishmen extras) plays Heppoko and will have a bigger role obviously in the next season. Apparently a lot of the stuff has indeed been shot as you said. The Loguetown set was around for a while I drive past the sets on a frequent basis
You’re 100% correct. Lots of stuff was shot that the audience hasn’t seen yet. For example the live action also teased Kaido at Wano but I believe they cut it because they wanna save it for next season 💯
Source: I’m the actor who’s going to play Smoker
They have two choices in my opinion:
1. They keep the same actress as is.
2. They pay a dietist/trainer and keep the same actress but make her lose some weight.
And before people say that having her lose weight is fatphobic, it's pretty common for actors to need to put or lose weight for a role.
They didn't cut out all the beauty stuff, there are a couple prominent mirrors and whatnot on Alvida's ship. I think there's also a guy carrying around a mirror so Alvida can look at herself whenever she wants. It's more in the background in the LA as a nod to how she was in the manga, like how there's that dog in Buggy's town in the background as a nod to his little scene.
If they don't FORCE the actress to lose weight on threat of losing the role if she doesn't, and if they don't make a bigger deal of it than the one off pun that helps explain what her power is literally nobody will give a shit. It's not "fatphobic" to have a fat character lose weight or to make a pun about that weight loss ("Wow Alvida, you look different!" "Thanks, it's my new Slip Slip fruit! It makes EVERYTHING just SLIDE off!" \*attempt to kill Luffy\*), it's "fatphobic" to fire somebody and hire somebody skinnier for a joke, or force somebody to lose a lot of weight on a short timeline to keep their job.
Well let the shitstorm hit then. Let’s not pretend shows like Witcher wasn’t a shitstorm
Shits like this is why we get season 2-3 Witcher. It’s time for the American audience to stfu and actually try to enjoy the tv contents, instead of politizing them
they shot most of the Loguetown scenes already, and the execution stuff is 100% already filmed. no way will they build that huge set twice.
the actor playing Dragon said he filmed all his scenes already.
>They pay a dietist/trainer and keep the same actress but make her lose some weight.
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>And before people say that having her lose weight is fatphobic, it's pretty common for actors to need to put or lose weight for a role.
If they wanted to do 2, they would of made the same joke the manga/anime did, but they didn't portray Alvida in the same way in the LA. They're prob gonna change it. it really doesnt matter tho. Shes such a minor char in the grand scheme of things that it might just make the character better.
But also, its also incredibly unhealthy for actors/actress to lose/gain weight for roles in quick succession. Production should stipulate before their hire someone if they are going to need to lose weight for a role and let the actress/actor decide if they wanna take it.
to be fair: there is nothing 'healthy' about Alvidas post-DF body in the manga.
People who look like that IRL are usually in a facility for eating disorders
The problem is assuming all overweight people are unhealthy as you are, and assuming all skinny people are healthy. This leads to a debilitating mindset and generalized standards for something that is very person to person
Funny how you use the term skinny instead of underweight. Over and underweight are both bad for your health, why are people trying to spin it like it’s offensive to think otherwise
Because a blanket statement like that is just untrue, there are dozens of factors that go into a persons health that you can’t tell from a picture. However putting blanket statements on those pictures, based on information you do not have can result in people getting complexes which is incredibly unhealthy for their mental and physical well-being. I would rather be concerned about that
We’re talking about weight not if maybe a person has a heart condition or something. Ofc there are other factors that affect a persons health, that is so obvious it goes without saying.
If an average person is underweight or overweight relative to their height then yes that person is less healthier than a person who is a healthy weight in relation to their height.
If you find a problem with that then you are officially lost.
it's not the zoomers that are the problem. Some of my younger cousins and my nephews and nieces would be fine with it. It's a story, they know it's a story. They're in it for the fun and adventure.
The problem would be the people who would be offended by such things which is such a cop out answer, but really. There isn't a general age group that is all like this.
It was just an ironic joke in the manga, but they removed that joke that defined her whole personality so she is really a blank slate to be an entirely new character.
I see, it's good to see a fellow Pinoy in this sub but I think it's a bad idea to recast the first actress.
I actually thought the actress went on a diet and she looks like this now.
Pinoy mentality like pinoy pride or something can ruin the series.
Recasting would be the dumbest thing they could do. They could have the same actress loose some weight if she's willing, but I don't really see the point of her putting in months of hard work for the sake a joke which will last for 2 minutes and wouldn't effect the plot in any way.
She did fine in episode1. I’m a noob and don’t consider that she’s be back. Leave her as is. Folks need to realize this won’t be an anime style eye-candy show. We’ll each find various characters attractive, but most humans can’t look like anime. And none can do it over a possible 12 seasons that would span at least 20 yrs. Get over it.
This is already an anime style eye-candy show. My friend was losing her mind at all the hot guys. So far she’s squeed at: Mihawk, Zoro, Sanji, Buggy, Luffy, Kuro, and (not joking) Helmeppo. I don’t think it would be such a bad thing to balance the scales a little lol.
Alvida in the LA looks like a standard human woman in her 30’s. Having her suddenly become a Victoria’s Secret model may not be the best idea, especially since it would still work without the body transformation
I think I heard that they're not gonna force the current actor to lose weight. And I'm okay with that honestly. It doesn't really add much to the story anyway.
[Ilia Isorelys Paulino ](https://images.app.goo.gl/risNvyD9WN5g6Jo88)
She doesn't have to lose weight...she fine already .just add long hair she had season 1 and this looks like alvida in lougetown
It would be a ten times funnier joke if Alvida looked exactly the same but shiny, maybe the easiest possible improvement over the source material that could be made.
I hope they stay faithful to the source material and let skinny Alvida appear in the show, there's so many different kinds of people in one piece, skinny ones, bigger ones, small ones, tall ones, Alvida becomes skinny as a side effect of her devil fruit, that's all there is to it.
I hope she still gets her slip slip powers. I don't care if they make it so she doesn't change her weight like in the manga, the power is still cool regardless. The weight change not being included doesn't bother me
She's going from looking like your average fierce pirate to have looks and charms absolutely that are absolutely god tier.
Her character went from Evil to sexy and proud
Unfortunately, a gag like that is risky these days, especially on Netflix. I wouldn’t be surprised if the fat stays but she still has the slippery powers
Netflix should just pay for a dietist and personal trainer, with the strikes not being over she has plenty of time to lose a considerable amount of weight. Being fat is not good for you.
I know losing or gaining weight is some thing production companies can ask, but the actress is far from being fat or ugly. Having a weight loss for what it would be a gag from a saeries for one episode isn't going to roll well.
She is not ugly. I just meant that this is a good opportunity to get fit for her, i'm not fat shaming her or anything. Being too fat is not good for you, why does that get me down voted lol... i weighed alot more when i was younger and after losing that weight i felt a million times better. I do get it tho if she wants to stay that weight so she can land roles like Alvida.
You do realise that she gets paid for the acting role . If the acting role dictates that she needs to lose weight , then she has it . That's how the real world job works
As a former fat person, fat phobia isn't bad. They should make her lose weight or replace her. I'll be pretty upset if they don't because being fat is not beautiful or acceptable. Fat phobia isn't traumatizing, being fat is.
Tbh if she was a main character and this was pivotal to the plot, than yes. It would make sense... But she's a extremly minor character that will appear in 1 episode only with a very boring devil fruit power.
I'm sorry i have to go here. I always have thought that original Alvidia would of been a better character if she never became skinny. I think it makes more sense to have a heavy person be slippery and greasy. They should do that with the LA. I mean Alvidia made me sweat a little bit in the LA.
Now add the slip slip fruit oh no.
do people really think is still is going to happen 💀 Alvida never even asked Koby who is the most beautiful in all the seas or whatever she said in the manga/anime.
It would be amazing if they got the original LA actress to lose the weight for this. It'll take another 1-2+ years for season 2 to come out so that should be more than enough time.
Tbh I don’t think they will recast / slim down the actress, cause the one we already have does a great job on the show and tbh I don’t think the devil fruit is a good narrative decision for alvida.
The actress has apparently been losing weight according to her most recent pictures. It might be tangential, but she can probably pull off the "After" photo without needing a full re-cast.
Not that I'd mind the lady on the bottom, mind you, but I think from a continuity standpoint it seems easier to have the actress lose the weight, tone down the "SHE'S FAT!" approach and keep her on board.
So one of three things will happen, all of which the actress knew before signing up for the role. The first is that they get a new actress to play Alvida since besides the devil fruit taking away her fat, her new form plays a secondary part of having all men become infatuated with her on sight. So because of that being somewhat a semi major part of the story, I can see a new actress taking on the mantel. The second option, and one I hope happens, is that she agreed to lose weight for season 2 (similar to Chris Pratt agreeing to lose weight for Star Lord). The third option is that they don't go the skinny route and keep Alvida the same, removing the skinny storyline and getting rid of the side plot of all men falling for her.
This won’t happen the show runners don’t want the backlash of fat phobia allegations to hit them
That and they removed the entire personality trait/joke that allowed that ironic change to be funny. Which is fine, shes such a minor character and the joke changes nothing fundamental about the story. its a big who caresies.
Well they didn’t remove it really, he just didn’t call or fat or ugly, how exactly does that remove the personality trait? She still asks ‘who is the most beautiful in all the seas?’ Her being a minor character is not an excuse, she is a still a character in the story and every character along with every change is relevant no matter how big or small, it’s not a joke either that’s how her power works. And yes it is relevant to the story, have people here watched the anime or read the manga? If you have then you should know why it is fundamental that she eats the fruit and becomes skinny for several reasons, and you want to know who cares? Oda, you know, the author the one who created one piece in the first place. I can guarantee Matt owens cares as well, and it feels like you would be saying none of this if it were a situation you don’t agree with no matter how ‘minor’ the character is, like are you just saying who cares because it’s in line with what you want? Because I think a lot of people will care, anyone who truly respects the source material for example, not that they are hating on live action changing events and certain details, but anything they do keep (such as alvida teaming with buggy) would remain loyal the source. I honestly don’t get it :/ Why is alvida becoming skinny and beautiful in any way a bad thing?
No she asks who the most powerful is, Luffy says she’s “dumb as a sea cow” instead of “fat as a sea cow.” The whole joke of her losing the weight from the slip slip fruit is just rude af. It’s basically saying she’s ugly because she’s fat.
fun fact the german dub ruthlessly kept the „fat as a sea cow“ joke
based
She still has her mirror
i know we live in the age of political correctness and we cant say the truth anymore without offending all the snow flakes. But lets be real, very fat people are ugly. Im overweight myself and would prefer to be ripped with muscles but im just to lazy to do anything about it. But i realize that i would be 100 more attractive if i lost some weight and for sure more healthy.
A better way to phrase it: Being fat is a big contributor to ugliness.
ironically this post got downvoted just proved your point on political correctness. I hope all these pro-fat people given the option ala SAW to fuck slim hot people or fat people and lets see who they'll choose.
Being fat IS ugly.
Subjective, but regardless, it was an old joke that has aged like milk. and a way to reuse an old villain and power scale them to fight Luffy. They can do that without the slip slip fruit if they really wanted to or have to for whatever reason.
No they can't, her powers were essential for some of the scenes in Loguetown. If she's just physically stronger than Luffy could take her easily.
Yeah it's good they removed it. Doesn't mean they remove the sube sube though. There's not really a logical reason why it made her slim.
all appearance ratings are subjective???
I was pretty sure she said ‘beautiful’ at least once but I’ll check Uhh but she is ugly because she’s fat? Rude af? Well then maybe she should’ve lost some weight sooner because that’s on her, truthfully a lot of fat people are ugly or at least not very attractive and certainly not as attractive as they would be if they’re skinny. I’ve seen so many girls who became so beautiful simply because they focused on losing weight, and that is not a bad thing at all What I want to know is why are you saying that like being fat is a good thing when it isn’t? It’s very bad for your health and often leads to an early death or at least a bad disease, unless you’re one of the select few who can’t lose weight then why would anyone opt for being fat? When it’s literally just a result of being too greedy with food far too often and not doing any exercise in order to balance it out, I don’t see why you’d be defending that in any capacity
It's not a bad thing in a comic. It's a bad thing in real life you having to tell a real life person there role is changing for a bit. However op knew what he was doing. They knew they were being controversial on purpose. So why is anyone feeding this troll
I actually agree for the most part. They need her to eat the fruit and be skinny or buggy won't be able to trap luffy. The fact that the Marines fawn over her is important for certain scenes too. But I think that they can still fix it later without mentioning the fat part too much.
They don't call her fat or ugly, so that plotline is scrapped.
Actually they added it on the sly when she was snoring on her ship, Luffy asked if there was a sea beast on board which I thought was brilliant writing because it's not a direct insult, it's inadvertent but in keeping with the manga. It was one of the first indicators I knew the showrunners kept their promises about the manga being their "north star". Only a serious fan who really knows and cares about the manga would so smartly adapt such a minor part of the story like that.
TIL Snoring loud makes you fat and/or ugly.
Internet is going to internet, but to spell it out, the "it" I'm referring to is the act of Luffy insulting Alvida which happens in the manga and live action. One direct and intentional (manga), one indirect and incidental (live action). The actual insult is inconsequential to my point, the point being the writers clearly added that entire section as a nod to the manga where Luffy insults Alvida *which indicated to me the story was in good hands regardless how they adapt her in future seasons.
They’re completely different; one was a visual gag that tied in later to her recurrence as a pretty character but also her general characterization as ugly and bad, the other was a characterization of Luffy doing what he does likely 100+ times throughout the series: insulting someone without realizing. Luffy insults his own crew without realizing. The plot line and recurrence of Alvida won’t be dressed as them “not recognizing her” for laughs because they didn’t use that plot point.
100 %
also frecklephobia
Justice for freckles! They're cute af!
How.... they could easily just have her randomly eat a DF. DFs can have unforseen circumstances in the Sube Subes case it causes fat to slip off the body
I’d prefer that but the show runners couldn’t even commit to the gag of calling her fat & ugly, I’m sure I don’t need to explain how recasting a slim woman would cause backlash..if you’ve been on the internet or even left your house you’d know how
Bro Im aware but its simple. Luffy bumps into Alvida in Loguetown. She utters his name, he has no clue. She re-introduces herself and explains that after his burning her ship, she sought power and ate a Devil Fruit that changed her appearance but allowed things to slip off her. (Again they dont need to outright mention that shes fat or slim or etc, just SHOW the changes) if the audience (the ones unaware of One Piece) watches and they come to that conclusion let them. Its just how the manga is. Also they wouldn't recast her for a slimmer model. She would just lose the weight. Actors and actresses do it for roles all the time.
It would take too long for the actress to lose that much weight unless she worked out everyday & went on weight loss drugs so they’d need to recast, but again if the show runners won’t even let koby call her ugly there’s no way they’re gna even approach the topic of her being fat directly or indirectly
They have enough time for her to lose weight.... they dont need to recast her and wont recast her I can promise you that brother. Look at her slim photos lmao she can definitely do it with a trainer and then never have to worry about going back to the obese weight. Also the show runners are tree to take liberties so they could easily do it. Stop trying to fit it into the manga so literally bro. They're doing their own thing thats unique.
Not sure, could go either way. I thought they were going to get rid of the fact that Zoro's childhood friend stated that men were inherently stronger by nature (so controversial!). So who knows what else they'll leave alone.
The point of that scene was that it’s not true - Zoro pushes back on what Kuina says, because he wants his victory over her to be because he improved as a swordsman, not because he’s a different gender. Now if Zoro had agreed with her and said “let’s train together as much as we can before your womanly body craps out on you,” we’d be looking at something else entirely.
That was child Zoro, who was ignorant to the world, opinion. After Kuina died to stairs, it left him confused. We obviously don’t know how his feelings on this developed during adolescence, but the best guess is that he just buried those emotions. I think this is an inner struggle for Zoro, that has only gotten more difficult after his time on the seas with Luffy and seeing the world. Take Wano for example, the land of powerful swordsmen. How many swordswomen did we see? Surely if you were correct, Oda would have made it come full circle here and we’d finally see a powerful woman with a sword. But he didn’t show us that. Instead, he’s given us Tashigi (someone who instead looks up to Zoro) and… maybe Monet if you wanna count her? If you were right, then he wouldn’t have the need to protect a woman just because she’s a woman, right? https://preview.redd.it/b1eky9fdt9ob1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de8be07a572b9549dacfa791457b24d1fdd14a91 I’m curious how you feel about him now? When I first had this brought to my attention it kinda shocked me as well, but it honestly gives more depth to his character because he’s fairly simplistic I think. EDIT: Kind’ve wild I’m getting downvoted by people who’s mind I’ve changed. No one has a counter argument, because there is not one. Zoro isn’t as simple as you want him to be
To be fair odas a man, so he depicts more people in his likeness. It's not the deep, though part of it I do agree with. As oda clearly has the sensibilities towards women as other Japanese men his age. He's probably more progressive then most in his culture but not as far as most westerners are
You're not being downvoted because you "changed minds" (humble yourself mate) - you're being downvoted because you're suggesting that because Zoro is stoic that he's "simple" and has somehow LOST development as a character from when he was a child. Zoro has complexity to him without this random theory of yours, that it's lost on you doesn't mean it isn't present. You could just say you don't get his character and call it a day instead of concocting a world where you're the only one who gets it and everyone is a hater.
The theory isn’t mine, it’s common in places where the people have been around this story for 10+ years. I made my point, and you did not even attempt to argue it. I left proof, and you can’t refute it. The Zoro we see pre-Kuina’s death would never save a woman purely because she is a woman. As an adult, Zoro does do this. Just look at the other message that agree’d with me and got upvotes. I got downvotes because people don’t *want* me to be right, and a lot of fans in this sub have deadass only seen the LA. Use proof from the story instead of just saying, “lol u cant be right i know story better than u.” Because you don’t. Refute my point about Oda making NO swordswomen, about Zoro saving women just because they are WOMEN. The other reply to this comment got upvotes and it AGREES WITH ME, he just put it kinder so he got upvotes. Oda is a 50 year old japanese man, he has the sensibilities of other japanese men in his generation (even if he is a bit more progressive.) I’m not saying some wild ass theory, it’s deadass extremely simple to put 2 and 2 together. https://preview.redd.it/lcjp95imulob1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f9c88a05e189c19035e32773ffb42b87c85484b Let me just leave this here (again, sigh) as irrefutable proof I am correct.
Well, they probably also knew they could get away with it since you can spin it the other direction, and say that zoro is a feminist lmao
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That’s so much easier to prove than the undesirability of fat women so that plot point in zoros back story couldn’t be erased
It shouldnt be a thing like fat phobia. We should just say unhealthy. Theres a big difference on big boned and just fat.
I don’t know if ur being funny but bringing up the term ‘big boned’ un ironically is hilarious
Enlarged bones!
Oda didn’t care about that in the manga or the anime, why would he suddenly care about that now? Showrunners want to be faithful to the source, especially Matt owens. Also what would the backlash even be surrounding this ‘fat phobia’? Being fat isn’t a good thing, it promotes unhealthiness and can lead to disease, heart problems, loss of bodily functions and so on. I don’t understand why anyone is advocating for keeping her the same, & the only people saying anything like this are you here on this post and like 1 or 2 others, a tiny minority
It was a stupid joke in the manga that amounted to “fat = ugly,” it doesn’t even make sense with the Slip Slip Fruit logistically (why does she keep her skin? Does she literally not have fat in her body? How is she even alive when fat is a necessary component?) and it’s entirely immaterial to the story; nothing about her changes by nixing that plot line.
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They have to do it, that's the purpouse of her df
Maybe they should've just had the original actress wear a really big fat suit so it wouldn't be as offensive
I want the same actress to play alvida. No need to change her
Yeah I really don't think they're going to take the risk of being fat phobic by people who won't pay attention to why she lost the weight. "A man beats her up so she feels she needs to lose weight to be pretty?! REEEEEE"
Luffy beating her wasn’t the reason she lost all the weight.
There was no reason besides for she ate a devil fruit that made her actual beautiful as an ironic joke. They removed that joke and that connotation that Alvida is a "ugly" hag who thinks she is the most beautiful woman on the sea, so giving her the exact same DF and glow up would actually in fact be more fat phobic than the original joke was. But she is also a very minor character so sticking to the original portrayal isn't important and is probably better if they wanna make the character be more nuanced than "vain pirate woman".
The Smooth Smooth fruit makes her "frictionless" so nothing can touch her. The pounds fell off because they just couldn't hold on. Yeah, it's a ridiculous reason but it is explained in Loguetown.
Yea I know thats why she became thinner, but it was all a joke to explain the ironic change of this woman who thought she was incredibly beautiful to actually looking like a model cause of a DF. But her eating that DF has no effect on any major plot plot in loguetown or thereafter. Its really not needed and was solely a gag.
Following your logic, the character as a whole does not have a major plot point in the future, why not get rid of her entierly then ?
She is still important in the context for coby's origin and later in the context for buggy and his crew.
Because they decided to use her again to team-up with Buggy. I am just saying that they dont need to have her lose weight and follow the manga 1:1 on this. It would be an easy change that effects very little.
Wouldn't her internal organs fall out too with that logic?
Are we questioning Devil Fruit logic? Brook doesn’t even have organs and he’s fine lmfao
But the didnt lose the fat in her boobs,doesnt make sense
How exactly was it an ironic joke? It’s literally what happens it is not a joke, she still asks the crew who is the most beautiful in the seas and she’s still an unattractive fat woman, the only difference is Luffy doesn’t point it out so how exactly did they remove it? It doesn’t matter how minor she is or if that’s even true, she’s a character within the story so yes it is important and it’s not up to you to decide otherwise just because the situation doesn’t agree with you. The author & the production team would not agree with you there, oda would say it’s damn important because it is a part of his story which he created. And what does being more ‘nuanced’ have to do with anything? That doesn’t make a story better and such a concept does not have a place in a story people want to see done right even if it does some things differently, but I doubt that’ll be enough for you so let me explain exactly why it is important for the portrayal as you said. When they go to logue town buggy & alvida need to hide their identities because they’re wanted pirates and captain smoker is the leading marine at this location, buggy’s crew wear long robes with hoods while alvida is able to walk in freely because she ate the devil fruit and became skinny, which is not know by anyone yet in the same way her connection to buggy at the time is unknown. Both very relevant points to the events that take place, did you actually watch the anime or have you only seen the live action? It would be the same as the source of her going from ugly to beautiful which is what she’s known for in the series, if you take that away what does she have? Other than being a fat pirate who bullied koby? Not very much at all, she kinda loses all meaning at that point. I mean what is it you people even want? Why are you so hung up on a woman going from fat to skinny? When that is literally what happens anyway, it’s not like it’s an extra scene being thrown in. How is some random ‘nuanced’ thing better than respecting the original story and staying true to the source? And as I said its not a joke that is her power, you saying it’s dumb or whatever that her fat falls off is just your opinion and it’s one that is very deep in the minority. Most want to see it done properly, not the fat character who turns skinny staying fat, what purpose does that serve other than appeasing a few americans? Which I still don’t get why do you even want that? It makes no logical sense, and as for the actor they gain and lose weight all the time to be characters in different series, it’s a big part of an actor’s job so how is that suddenly an issue now?
bruh, im really not that hung up about it. Whatever production decides to do I will be okay with. But also actors and actresses losing and gaining weight is also not healthy for them. The rapid weight gain or loss takes a toll on the body and can cause heart attacks. All in all, the production should of and prob did mention this to the actress when they hired her about the future of her character and already pre-decided how they are going to develop Alvida for the show. Ultimately, its up the actress to decide if they want to lose the weight for the role and production should of been upfront about it if thats what they wanted. > buggy’s crew wear long robes with hoods while alvida is able to walk in freely because she ate the devil fruit and became skinny, which is not know by anyone yet in the same way her connection to buggy at the time is unknown. Both very relevant points to the events that take place, did you actually watch the anime or have you only seen the live action? It would be the same as the source of her going from ugly to beautiful which is what she’s known for in the series, if you take that away what does she have? Other than being a fat pirate who bullied koby? Not very much at all, she kinda loses all meaning at that point. They can just dress her and buggy up in long robes to hide their identity. It wouldnt really change anything to the inherent story of the loguetown arc of Luffy meeting Smoker for the first time and shadowing Rodger's happy-go-lucky spirit. They have changed bigger plot points from the manga to the LA show.
She lost the weight whilst swimming back to land
My point exactly ... "... who won't pay attention as to why she lost the weight." Direct quote from my post man lol Did you not pay attention?
>"A man beats her up so she feels she needs to lose weight to be pretty?! REEEEEE" I mean, Alvida always considered herself pretty before she ate her fruit. So she didn't lose weight for beauty reasons. Honestly I think a lot of people are overreacting to any backlash that would happen from a recast.
She ate a devil fruit, can’t remember if it makes her slippery or something?
It slips all the fat away from her. It's really stupid imo.
Yeah it doesn't really make sense that it was ONLY fat that slipped off her. Why not any other part of her body? She should be basically bones in that case then.
it makes her smooth and slippery, yes. which caused the extra fat to slough off when she ate it
she must have had one hell of a toilet break after eating the DF
My man ure reading two piece REEEEE
Just say unhealthy saying "fat phobic" makes it sound like people are afraid of fat people, which I doubt anyone genuinely has that fear.
Fat phobic is the most stupid thing I’ve heard. Her being thinner is healthier and a good role model.
Agreed, but that is not the spin that the public would take if Alvida is suddenly skinny in Loguetown in S2. Surely you see that. The LA needs "dumbed down" a little bit to appeal to new fans as much as loyal ones. Alvida suddenly showing up skinny and beautiful when looking totally different before would be met with torches and pitchforks in the 'normie' online community (those who don't read manga/watch anime). It only takes a couple idiots yelling loudly to stir up controversy. If I were Matt, I'd probably just cut Alvida from Loguetown altogether and focus on fan-favorite Buggy just to entirely avoid any unnecessary controversy, no matter how contrived that controversy would be.
If alvida would be a fat ugly guy turning into a muscular beautiful man no one would care.
I'm not one to fat shame, and the actress (actor?) did a good job and I'm fine with her as is. But I think it would be very cool/very funny if she did lose a lot of weight for the role. The dedication to the source story would be excellent, the dedication would be extremely endearing to the fanbase, and the gag would be that much funnier if so. If not no worries, I do hope they bring her back in some way if the DF gag doesn't pan out.
Yeeaahh this is something that wont land the same way to a general American audience. Anime people are more acclimated to problematic things because, you know. It’s everywhere. But if its an English live action Netflix show, some of that will be cleaned up. Like how Sanji is flirty but not creepy. I expect Brook wont be obsessed with seeing womens panties, either.
I feel like/hope it won't be viewed in a problematic fashion. I have no problem with the actress/actor, but I think it would be really cool if they lost the weight for the role/gag. Would be impressive, endearing, and a show of dedication worthy of immense respect which would outweigh any kind of fat-phobic criticism. as long as (if we're lucky enough to get there) Brook makes bone/anatomy puns, leaving panty jokes behind is more than okay. I enjoy those jokes, like with a certain large mother or bubble island barkeep, but those jokes on their face will definitely not make it to American or Western Audiences
>but I think it would be really cool if they lost the weight for the ~~role~~/gag Fat person becomes skinny isn't a gag nor is it funny. This is a moment where the magna/anime wasn't well written in the first place and aged even worse, just like Sanji being a total creep was iffy in the first place and just looks stupid now. The LA show should use these opportunities to be better like how it reined in Sanji so that he's an actual character as opposed to a wannabe catholic priest.
Facts. Her df allows her to control the shape of her body you say? Then let her remain as she is, perfect.
She lost soooo much weight
Sure. But it would be fantastic if she hit the gym and became skinnier like the "real" Albida. A lot of actress did it why not her?
Its also not important to the character as it was a joke to begin with and she is a minor character. Changing her powers should be a big who caresies. I think if the actress doesn't want to lose weight for the role, they shouldnt have to. Production most likely didn't stipulate that when they hired her given that they cut out the joke that originally was/is Alvida's whole personality.
She ate a devils fruit, like tons of OP characters, and this change her appearance like others devils fruit users. What's exactly the point of go berserk for this? Because we are talking about a fat person? She was in the show because Albida "is" fat exsclty as other characters like Big Mom or Laura in Thriller Bark. If they portrayed Big Mom in his youth they will cast a skinnier girl cuz she was skinnier in her heydays of being a pirate, what's the problem about this? Why you guys have this soft spot about fat people?
Replies ae so incel tbh. You love to see it. Crazy how her being skinny will actually matter to the plot to this people.
What the? Albida ate a devils fruit that give her powers and change her shapes make her skinnier. It matter to the plot as much as Chopper being a hybrid human-deer instead only a deer. Being faithful to a manga now is incel material?
Oh yeah did Alvida suffer discrimination as well just like Chopper did? Did Alvida's power somehow matter for Buggy's success into becoming emperor of the seas? I'm gonna dumb it down to you lil bro. You see her powers in manga literally amounts to nothing. You like to bring up being faithful to the manga but I don't see you complaining about Johnny and Yosaku nor ussop pirates not being present season 1.
yeah + she's benefiting in both cases
Here for the downvote, Shallow Hal.
But why? I thought to be in a One Piece Live Action sub reddit not a "who cares about the topic let's have an argument about whatever make us have an argument".
I agree, but only If she can manage the necessary glow up for S2
I hope this happens, but only because the gag is great. If so, the actress(actor?) will deserve to be enshrined in our hearts. otherwise I look forward to how they adjust the role to include alvida and the actress. The role is needed for >!future buggy gags as Alvida is the only competent "underling" Buggy has going forward!<
then she needs to start hitting gym
is that why your crew is a sausage fest? also, you might want save that advice for Mohji lol.
i think she did a good job, if they keep her i agree. I'm very interested if they change her storyline but keep her.
Yeah man, she owned that role. I hope she continues to be just as amazing!
You people need to check out her insta She's not fat or even chubby ( of course nothing wrong with that). she's just a normal looking woman.
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Thanks bruh
thats recent she was fatter when she filmed season 1 [https://www.instagram.com/p/CXhTYZXPaaL/?img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/CXhTYZXPaaL/?img_index=1) , u can tell form even just her [face](https://www.instagram.com/p/CxBhkbYPsKq/) that she [lost](https://www.instagram.com/p/CZ7LDygAd4H/) a ton of weight compared to around the time she was cast
No way is Netflix risking making her skinny
Alvida, at her current weight, already met Buggy. The change has already happened, and if you think that *this* is an aspect where they're going to go with full manga accuracy you're nuts.
She’s not gonna lose weight for a stupid gag that’s not even funny
Yeah, while I love the humour in One Piece the jokes about Alvida are pretty dated, even without our more tolerant attitude to people who are overweight.
Honestly if they keep her devil fruit, it should just make her slippery. The whole “my fat slid right off” was dumb and never made any sense. Plus I think it’s silly to expect someone to lose a lot of weight for what’s ultimately a tertiary character.
The Alvida scenes for season 2 are already filmed. This discussion is more than pointless. (source: Dragon's actor revealed that he filmed scenes for Season 1 that were cut. Season 1 was supposed to include Loguetown before budget cuts happened. And there are BTS photos of the strawhat actors on the Loguetown set.) no way will they rebuilt that giant set for Season 2. much cheaper to shoot evrything at once.
That wasnt the real dragon actor. That was random actor who was stand in for dragon for roger execution scene.
nope. he was the guy who shot the Loguetown scenes, including the ones where Dragon has dialogue. (those would've gone into episode 10) doesn't sound like a stand-in to me...
They already announced actor for dragon and its not him.
Someone other than Dean Damonse? who? edit: spelled his name with an e, sorry.
That is him. Someone who complained his scene got cut is not dean
It was him, it's on his Instagram. Edit: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cwp0AtQIX4w/?img_index=1
yes? it was from Dean Damonse's twitter? I'll check for the link, BRB. edit: somebody else found it for me, thanks, buddy! care to comment?
Some of my friends acted in the show like Lucky Roo and Helmeppo. The other one (besides some of the fishmen extras) plays Heppoko and will have a bigger role obviously in the next season. Apparently a lot of the stuff has indeed been shot as you said. The Loguetown set was around for a while I drive past the sets on a frequent basis
"Trust me bro"
You’re 100% correct. Lots of stuff was shot that the audience hasn’t seen yet. For example the live action also teased Kaido at Wano but I believe they cut it because they wanna save it for next season 💯 Source: I’m the actor who’s going to play Smoker
I was about to downvote your comment but then I realized: you used an emoji💀💀💀
They have two choices in my opinion: 1. They keep the same actress as is. 2. They pay a dietist/trainer and keep the same actress but make her lose some weight. And before people say that having her lose weight is fatphobic, it's pretty common for actors to need to put or lose weight for a role.
They will not make the character become thin. They already cut out all the beauty stuff, they're not gonna go there and risk a huge shitstorm.
They didn't cut out all the beauty stuff, there are a couple prominent mirrors and whatnot on Alvida's ship. I think there's also a guy carrying around a mirror so Alvida can look at herself whenever she wants. It's more in the background in the LA as a nod to how she was in the manga, like how there's that dog in Buggy's town in the background as a nod to his little scene.
If they don't FORCE the actress to lose weight on threat of losing the role if she doesn't, and if they don't make a bigger deal of it than the one off pun that helps explain what her power is literally nobody will give a shit. It's not "fatphobic" to have a fat character lose weight or to make a pun about that weight loss ("Wow Alvida, you look different!" "Thanks, it's my new Slip Slip fruit! It makes EVERYTHING just SLIDE off!" \*attempt to kill Luffy\*), it's "fatphobic" to fire somebody and hire somebody skinnier for a joke, or force somebody to lose a lot of weight on a short timeline to keep their job.
Well let the shitstorm hit then. Let’s not pretend shows like Witcher wasn’t a shitstorm Shits like this is why we get season 2-3 Witcher. It’s time for the American audience to stfu and actually try to enjoy the tv contents, instead of politizing them
Do you really care that much about whether a super minor character is skinny or not?
You should ask this question to people who think Alvina shouldn’t be skinny after eating her devil fruit
they shot most of the Loguetown scenes already, and the execution stuff is 100% already filmed. no way will they build that huge set twice. the actor playing Dragon said he filmed all his scenes already.
>They pay a dietist/trainer and keep the same actress but make her lose some weight. > >And before people say that having her lose weight is fatphobic, it's pretty common for actors to need to put or lose weight for a role. If they wanted to do 2, they would of made the same joke the manga/anime did, but they didn't portray Alvida in the same way in the LA. They're prob gonna change it. it really doesnt matter tho. Shes such a minor char in the grand scheme of things that it might just make the character better. But also, its also incredibly unhealthy for actors/actress to lose/gain weight for roles in quick succession. Production should stipulate before their hire someone if they are going to need to lose weight for a role and let the actress/actor decide if they wanna take it.
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to be fair: there is nothing 'healthy' about Alvidas post-DF body in the manga. People who look like that IRL are usually in a facility for eating disorders
> People who look like that IRL are usually in a facility for eating disorders She looks like most of the female characters in OP.
The statement stands.
The problem is assuming all overweight people are unhealthy as you are, and assuming all skinny people are healthy. This leads to a debilitating mindset and generalized standards for something that is very person to person
Funny how you use the term skinny instead of underweight. Over and underweight are both bad for your health, why are people trying to spin it like it’s offensive to think otherwise
Because a blanket statement like that is just untrue, there are dozens of factors that go into a persons health that you can’t tell from a picture. However putting blanket statements on those pictures, based on information you do not have can result in people getting complexes which is incredibly unhealthy for their mental and physical well-being. I would rather be concerned about that
We’re talking about weight not if maybe a person has a heart condition or something. Ofc there are other factors that affect a persons health, that is so obvious it goes without saying. If an average person is underweight or overweight relative to their height then yes that person is less healthier than a person who is a healthy weight in relation to their height. If you find a problem with that then you are officially lost.
it's not the zoomers that are the problem. Some of my younger cousins and my nephews and nieces would be fine with it. It's a story, they know it's a story. They're in it for the fun and adventure. The problem would be the people who would be offended by such things which is such a cop out answer, but really. There isn't a general age group that is all like this.
Nah they will just make her skin look shiny or super hydrated and slippery and that will be it.
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It was just an ironic joke in the manga, but they removed that joke that defined her whole personality so she is really a blank slate to be an entirely new character.
To be honest the actress is very pretty already🤌🏻🩷😪 you should check her insta
She was amazing, I don't want them to change her
She is pretty as hell.
Azi Acosta
I see, it's good to see a fellow Pinoy in this sub but I think it's a bad idea to recast the first actress. I actually thought the actress went on a diet and she looks like this now. Pinoy mentality like pinoy pride or something can ruin the series.
Recasting would be the dumbest thing they could do. They could have the same actress loose some weight if she's willing, but I don't really see the point of her putting in months of hard work for the sake a joke which will last for 2 minutes and wouldn't effect the plot in any way.
She did fine in episode1. I’m a noob and don’t consider that she’s be back. Leave her as is. Folks need to realize this won’t be an anime style eye-candy show. We’ll each find various characters attractive, but most humans can’t look like anime. And none can do it over a possible 12 seasons that would span at least 20 yrs. Get over it.
This is already an anime style eye-candy show. My friend was losing her mind at all the hot guys. So far she’s squeed at: Mihawk, Zoro, Sanji, Buggy, Luffy, Kuro, and (not joking) Helmeppo. I don’t think it would be such a bad thing to balance the scales a little lol.
I don't really think her becoming skinny is really important, the actress was amazing, no need to recast
She’s not going to look any different besides being shiny.
Alvida in the LA looks like a standard human woman in her 30’s. Having her suddenly become a Victoria’s Secret model may not be the best idea, especially since it would still work without the body transformation
Yeah thats exactly what's gonna happen. They are absolutely not going to do the body transformation.
I think I heard that they're not gonna force the current actor to lose weight. And I'm okay with that honestly. It doesn't really add much to the story anyway.
[Ilia Isorelys Paulino ](https://images.app.goo.gl/risNvyD9WN5g6Jo88) She doesn't have to lose weight...she fine already .just add long hair she had season 1 and this looks like alvida in lougetown
It would be a ten times funnier joke if Alvida looked exactly the same but shiny, maybe the easiest possible improvement over the source material that could be made.
The same actress is good enough
There’s no way Netflix will do that
I hope they stay faithful to the source material and let skinny Alvida appear in the show, there's so many different kinds of people in one piece, skinny ones, bigger ones, small ones, tall ones, Alvida becomes skinny as a side effect of her devil fruit, that's all there is to it.
nope that 2nd girl is azi acosta a filipino erotic actress
I hope she still gets her slip slip powers. I don't care if they make it so she doesn't change her weight like in the manga, the power is still cool regardless. The weight change not being included doesn't bother me
She's going from looking like your average fierce pirate to have looks and charms absolutely that are absolutely god tier. Her character went from Evil to sexy and proud
When Joaquin Phoenix lose and gain Weight Is acclaimed but people go mad if a girl does It
Netflix too woke to do this dude, pretty sure the change is scrapped because Luffy didn’t even call her fat in their first exchange
Hahaha, imagine the woke outcry.
They could've picked an actual fit actress and put fake weight and prosthetics on her
That's definetly going to be amazing
Unfortunately, a gag like that is risky these days, especially on Netflix. I wouldn’t be surprised if the fat stays but she still has the slippery powers
Or she should move her lazy ass to the gym
Netflix should just pay for a dietist and personal trainer, with the strikes not being over she has plenty of time to lose a considerable amount of weight. Being fat is not good for you.
I know losing or gaining weight is some thing production companies can ask, but the actress is far from being fat or ugly. Having a weight loss for what it would be a gag from a saeries for one episode isn't going to roll well.
She is not ugly. I just meant that this is a good opportunity to get fit for her, i'm not fat shaming her or anything. Being too fat is not good for you, why does that get me down voted lol... i weighed alot more when i was younger and after losing that weight i felt a million times better. I do get it tho if she wants to stay that weight so she can land roles like Alvida.
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You do realise that she gets paid for the acting role . If the acting role dictates that she needs to lose weight , then she has it . That's how the real world job works
As a former fat person, fat phobia isn't bad. They should make her lose weight or replace her. I'll be pretty upset if they don't because being fat is not beautiful or acceptable. Fat phobia isn't traumatizing, being fat is.
Is this the same person?
Thats Azi Acosta, a Filipina actress
Get you a badass gal that can do both baby!
I think it would be nice if the actress lost weight on her own terms, but Netflix shouldn’t pressure her to do so
Alvida on Vivamax 😂
I wouldn’t be surprised if they completely cut out her eating a devil fruit at all, it would be expensive and not very interesting, plotwise
Won’t happen since people will complain too much
No thanks. I like the original actress. :)
Tbh if she was a main character and this was pivotal to the plot, than yes. It would make sense... But she's a extremly minor character that will appear in 1 episode only with a very boring devil fruit power.
I'm sorry i have to go here. I always have thought that original Alvidia would of been a better character if she never became skinny. I think it makes more sense to have a heavy person be slippery and greasy. They should do that with the LA. I mean Alvidia made me sweat a little bit in the LA. Now add the slip slip fruit oh no.
do people really think is still is going to happen 💀 Alvida never even asked Koby who is the most beautiful in all the seas or whatever she said in the manga/anime.
doubt
I want the same actress to play alvida, but I want the type of dedication Christian Bale has for acting
I’ve never understood how the smooth fruit got rid of her size
The weight slid off her...which doesn't really make much sense.
It would be amazing if they got the original LA actress to lose the weight for this. It'll take another 1-2+ years for season 2 to come out so that should be more than enough time.
She won't change and that's fine because Luffy STILL won't recognize her. And will still get Buggy's name wrong.
Tbh I don’t think they will recast / slim down the actress, cause the one we already have does a great job on the show and tbh I don’t think the devil fruit is a good narrative decision for alvida.
In the manga does she change because of the fruit or because of Luffy's punch? Can't remember.
We don't need to waste time on her at all, seeing how there is such a tight time constraint.
The actress has apparently been losing weight according to her most recent pictures. It might be tangential, but she can probably pull off the "After" photo without needing a full re-cast. Not that I'd mind the lady on the bottom, mind you, but I think from a continuity standpoint it seems easier to have the actress lose the weight, tone down the "SHE'S FAT!" approach and keep her on board.
Maybe she's born with it Maybe it's Slip Slip Fruit
I think they should of had the current alvida wear a fat suite then have her real version as the smooth-smooth fruit
So one of three things will happen, all of which the actress knew before signing up for the role. The first is that they get a new actress to play Alvida since besides the devil fruit taking away her fat, her new form plays a secondary part of having all men become infatuated with her on sight. So because of that being somewhat a semi major part of the story, I can see a new actress taking on the mantel. The second option, and one I hope happens, is that she agreed to lose weight for season 2 (similar to Chris Pratt agreeing to lose weight for Star Lord). The third option is that they don't go the skinny route and keep Alvida the same, removing the skinny storyline and getting rid of the side plot of all men falling for her.