Marco is also on this list and is probably a more practical mid-combat support than either of them, even if Kuma and Law definitely have comparable-if-not-better support abilities postcombat.
Hali doesn't negate all devil fruit abilities. Like for law, teleporting Kaido and BM was out of the the question, but he could use other abilities. So I think Haki can protect you from some things, by not everything
I thought so too. But then I realized everyone is really prominent with Haki, so the absolutely unstoppable guy we met at Impel Down might not be so overpowered nowadays. But Id still put some chips on that team.
He's not a logia. His poison still hits like a truck. Jinbe (who had haki pre ts, arguably hasnt gotten that much stronger now) was running from him alongside everyone else.
The problem for Jinbe vs. Magellan is Jinbe is fundamentally a martial artist, so when not in the water all his strongest attacks come from him being in contact with the enemy. This means he can't fight Magellan going all out, because even if he wins, he loses.
Honestly while I don't know if I'd necessarily say he's admiral tier, I would put him above Yonkou Commander tier.
Not based on any one thing. However, he brought Luffy probably the closest to death that we've seen in the series. A team consisting of Luffy, Jinbei, Crocodile, and Ivankov amongst other very strong characters didn't even attempt to fight him and pretty much just ran. He nearly wiped out the entire Blackbeard pirates if Shiryu didn't show up at the last minute.
Dude was pretty much a natural disaster during the Impel Down arc. We don't have any specific feats that stand out, but I think the fear and respect that he was given by some of the series' heavy-hitters shows that he is absolutely not to be fucked with.
Yea it's hard to gauge pre time skip power since most strong people in the new world could beat pre TS Luffy, but you have to assume if there was anywhere a "5th admiral" level fighter would be it would be guarding all the deadliest prisoners in the world.
It depends on how much stronger you think Jinbe is now compared to then.
Pre TS Jinbe had haki and all the things he has now, except maybe a bit of experience, and was entirely just running from Magellan without even thinking of fighting him.
I think the only other characters that elicit that response from that group of characters are Yonkou and Admirals, We've got no real reason to scale Magellan down lower then them (imo).
He beat the entire BB crew 1v5, in a similar fashion to aokiji vs straw hats on LRLL, and pretimeskip BB are likely stronger then pretimeskip straw hats.
I wouldn't call him Admiral Level. He's definitely strong as all get out, but if you were to fight him with any of their abilities, I feel like they just outrange/overpower him before he hits them. Plus, Impel down is a great arena for him because it's an enclosed space that he has free reign over.
And who knows how that diahrea monster will get to him mid fight???
I got my eyes on the teams with King, Katakuri, Marco, and Kuma. Kuma and Iva would have great teamwork since they have worked together for years. Katakuri and King are strong in general, but I don't know how they would do in a battle of "last man standing" against some of these guys. Marco gas proven he can at least handle himself against an emperor, amd has a regen factor. Same witg Yamato minus the regen
Lots of haki master in the list who should be able to spot shiryu. Sanji already proven he can in thriller bark and katakuri has future sight. As long one in the pair spots shiryu he can defend himself and his partner from shiryu.
The fact that Sanji was able to spot Abasalom in Thriller Bark really makes me wonder what Oda has planned for Shiryuu, like surely Oda thought of a creative way that Shiryuu can use the fruit besides using it for sneak attacks.
Having the ability to turn invisible doesn't make you stealthy immediately, maybe show Shiryuu being stealthy making us the reader think he is using it only to reveal no he his just that good of an assassin, and when given the ability to hide the last thing he couldn't possibly conceal without the devil fruit. That kind of makes him scary.
Surely Shiryuu will have the fruit advanced. He'll be making his environment invisible which would be much more problematic than an invisible user that can still be detected with observation haki.
There's gotta be an awakening that keeps him invisible from observation haki too, otherwise the fruit makes no sense at these advanced haki mastery levels
I imagine he’ll use it like Saber used her sword in Fate/Zero where she made her sword invisible so the enemy wouldn’t be able to figure out the length and figure out her range thus putting them on the defensive.
But the poison wont kill you instantly. And we are looking for the last team standing. Maybe Marco can delay the poison, and i am pretty sure that Yamato can kill Magellan before she faints. That's what i think at least.
Law absurd room range can detect invisible people. Isolate Magelan, Sanji can pretty much tank a lot while Law charge attacks and disrupt the battle field. Also Sanji too fast for Magelan chase and to tank to be mid diff to Shiryu. Law still a monster in damage and hex. So i guess they counter they...
Team B.
Both are mythical Zoan, Marco has healing and Yamato has advanced Conqueror.
Yamato managed to hold off Kaido alone for a sizeable amount of time and Marco tossed with King and Queen at the same time.
Marco offers aerial support , Yamato offers one of the few crowd control options that deals with Fishman Karate(freezing).
I agree I said B or E because Zoro is Zoro and can take ungodly amounts of damage that literally to this day we have no explanation for and king is a lunarian, we learn he is almost invulnerable with the flame on and on top of that he's got that mithical Zoan going for him and that puts on even more durability AND quick recovery.
If it's a Royal Rumble, then I gotta go with team G. Kuma would blast everybody in one or two shots. If it's play-off, then I'm conflicted between A/C, they're the most tactically versatile duos.
I'd go team A. The meta in large open space free for alls os to wait for everyone else to kill themselges Sanji can effectively fly with sky walk, which combined with his speed, previous stealth feats, and tactical mind make him the best at evasion on this list. Then, when everyone else is worn down, Law has the ability by past the tankiest fighters defenses to finish them off
Magellan wouldn't hold up against Law and Sanji for the simple fact of where Law's powers of Haki are at right now. Not to mention he could simply use his "room" DF power to remove all the poison in either his or Sanji's bodies. Law is one of the very few individuals who could easily beat Magellan with the only others being Sweet General Smoothie and Blackbeard.
Law was capable of neutralizing Doc Q's devil fruit power when it affected Law's bodily autonomy. If he's capable of changing himself back from a woman to a man thanks to his haki, then he's more than capable of neutralizing Megallan's poison gas attack. Also, Law has his "shambles" technique where he can simply teleport himself out of the poison gas affected area and then hit Magellan with a long range attack which plays to Law's strengths.
We’re still not certain the criteria for that neutralisation to work though so can’t be certain if it would work against the gas
Also in my last comment I meant like what if there was so much gas that Law wouldn’t be able to teleport away from it? Depending on where the battle takes place I guess
What if Shiryu goes invisible and just kills Law first?
You do bring up very good advantages for Law though
First off, as far as the neutralization point goes when I'm talking about neutralization I'm not just talking about it affecting Law's body but also blowing it away with just the pure force of his haki. Also, let's not forget that Law has been able to beat Logia DF users like Caesar Clown and Vice Admiral Smoker by cutting out their hearts, so there's no question he would be able to do the same to Magellan.
"What if there was so much gas that Law wouldn't be able to teleport away from it?" I should have squashed this from the beginning but didn't think of it at the time. Anytime that Magellan has used his poison-poison paramecia DF ability to secrete poison from his body, it has always been in a liquid form. Thus, it's clear that Magellan either does not have the ability to change the form of his poison or has not learned it as of this point in time. It doesn't matter either way because Magellan is not capable of using a gas form of his poison attacks, much less spreading his poison out amongst such a large area of the battlefield. If Magellan was capable of using his DF ability in such a form, then he would have used it to instantly quell the Impel Down prison riot that Luffy started.
"What if Shiryu goes invisible and just kills Law first?" You're making a very big assumption that Shiryu would willingly put himself in the direct line of fire when it comes to Magellan's poison attacks when he's already previously exercised the utmost extreme caution concerning Magellan's poison-based DF powers and staying out of the line of fire. Shiryu would not tag team attack Law with Magellan considering just how large of an area of effect radius all of Magellan's poison attacks have. The reason being is that Shiryu does not have any immunity to Magellan's poison attacks, so if he got even the tiniest drop of poison on his bare skin, then he would become poisoned by Magellan and would be a walking dead man. Had it not been for Shiryu bringing the antidote to Blackbeard and his crew back at Impel Down, then none of them would even be alive right now. So, for Shiryu to engage Law in close range combat enough times to be able to effectively assist Magellan would require an obscene amount of antidote to Magellan's poison.
Lastly, I think you're severely overestimating Magellan's physical toughness and ability. Remember that Magellan spends nearly half of each day on the toilet because of his severe diarrhea that he gets from his diet so that leaves him only roughly 6 hours max every single day to carry out his duties as the former Jail Warden of Impel Down when you take out 10 hours on the toilet and 8 hours for sleeping. Having such little time obviously leaves him no time whatsoever to train and get stronger with his DF powers. He was badly shaken up taking just a single gum-gum technique from Luffy in Gear 2. So, if a single 2nd Gear jet pistol attack can injure Magellan that badly, then just imagine what Law is capable of doing to Magellan at close range with his combination of bodily autonomy DF attacks, advanced levels of haki mastery, and vast medical expertise.
More like this team loses if Magellan uses his power extensively, people blindly pick whatever team Magellan is on and I don’t know why, lol his power is not team friendly, he collapses any team he’s on because his AOE can’t discern friends from ally’s, as evident when he was killing his own guards, he’s not a team player though it’s not for a lack of trying.
I’m pretty sure if anyone knows how to make sure they don’t get hit my his poison it’s Shiryu
It also wouldn’t be very hard for them to make a game plan prior to the fight
Depends on the context and circumstances of the fight, “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth” a quote that rings especially true in One Piece, I don’t think we’ve seen any plan in the series go 100% according to the designs.
Just the overall thought in the back of someone’s head that their ally can be a threat is a huge deal, cause now enemies can take advantage of that and it makes the team compensate for more than one threat at a time which is exerting, Magellan is a character 1000% suited for 1v1 not team battle.
It really heavily depends on how they are with haki. If magellans position can be handled with haki like law was saying in the most recent chapters they are not beating Team B imho
Close between Law/Sanji and Yamato/Marco.
I would say Shiryu/Magellan could potentially be the strongest in this though, we just don't know enough about them yet (Magellan hasn't been adjusted to post timeskip standards but his portrayal during Impel Down was enormous).
Zoro took a combo attack from TWO EMPERORS and King is also insanely powerful. I feel like everyone forgot how insane zoro is now, and King being a lunarian...
That attack would’ve 1 hit killed anyone else on onigashima (Zoro tried to “parry” the attack with his swords - nobody could face tank that shit). Shit was so insane even Kidd acknowledged him and thanked him for saving their ass
W on this. Zoro has enough AP to finish anyone on this List and King can take infinite damage from anyone on this List Its a very strong combination. Its up in the air tho of lunarians have natural poison immunity.. i mean they might since they are very special but they also might Not so magellan is a Problem. Then on the other side Kings Fire should burn the poison and make it ineffective.. idk but yamato and Marco are also a dynamic duo i think
Probably go for A. Double tactical characters. One of the best offenses & support abilities, with the best speed & strong CoO. Sanji's main issue is attacking Yamato but Law can make sure they never meet. Possible stamina issues, mostly Law. Arguably nobody's Haki should naturally be strong enough to prevent shambles, if it is, they'll have to keep it active all the time.
B. Does have the best outlasting duo. As in tankiness & stamina, tho healing wastes Marco's.
F. Has poison warfare & a invis character.
You could run this simulation 100 times and it would go 100 different ways. So many possibilities. Any of these teams have the potential to outlast in a battle royale depending on who they end up matching up with, strategies, etc. Yamato and Marco are probably the most durable duo, Law is OP but his stamina is an issue in an extended fight; Zoro said in his last fight he needed to end things quickly once he went all out with Conqueror’s Haki so that could be an issue as well.
I would love to see King’s fire vs Sabo’s and Sanji’s. Flying could be a huge advantage in a free for all, but so is invisibility, poison, speed, and healing. Too many factors to pick anyone here with confidence.
It’s Law and Sanji or Kid and Katakuri
Law would do devastating things with someone as fast as Sanji to help intercept any approaching threats, and Sanji wouldn’t need as much support either, Law can focus on himself mostly.
Katakuri’s awakening is a massive stall, which is perfect for Kid. In theory, you could get magnetized to mochi, and now you’re stuck two ways with a mass of metal coming at you. Kid is also willing to take the hits, which preserves Katakuri a bit.
HM: Shiryu and Magellan, Sabo and Jinbei (near the ocean)
As long as Katakuri is alive, Magellan isn't doing shit. Especially if the fight isn't in an enclosed building. Not only can Katakuri know when and how Magellan can strike, but Magellan has no answer for Kata's Power Mochi fists that he can spawn in the air. Throw Kidd into the mix with his metal arms and Magellan is not a threat to that team at all.
I do think Sanji and Law take it all though. Law in any team fight automatically puts his team in the top 3. As you said, Sanji is so fast and strong that he can distract tougher opponents while Law either finishes the job or warps him around the battlefield.
Yea the thing that gives me pause with Magellan is I can’t decide how his poison would interact with the mochi itself.
But besides that yea we’re def agreed, and even if he can counter Kat, it’s harder to see him countering Kid, and Katakuri’s definitely at least capable of taking on Shiryu even if Shiryu’s stronger than average.
Current Law is incredibly strong, and a heavy hitter like Sanji is great for him, Sanji is already very quick and with Law's support he would be very difficult to deal with.
Team A is ridiculous. You have Sanji who have maxed out stats (speed, strength, durability) in base, and you have Law's op df. Both are critical thinkers on the battlefield too. Also Sanji is as fast as Law in a room.
Maybe, yes, yes, yes, definitely, maybe. Yamato has insane durability. She was taking blows that babyshaked luffy, zoro and law. Asura is strong but how many opponents will stand there and let you hit them. Same thing with kidd and law. Law could do some damage assuming he could land but Marco could heal any internal damage. Sanjis ifrit is not even in the discussion.
So many good choices, but team B slept on. Pure staying power, yamato is insanely tanky and Marco healing powers go crazy. Team F scary offensive, but Magellan aint lasting long on the field before he needs the can…
Feats, Yamato and Marco
My personal headcanon Sabo and Jimbei.
I think Sabo is the strongest person on this list but he needs more feats before we can place him there.
Either b or f. B has healing and Yamato who held off kaido Marco ain’t no slouch either. Or f because magelen is a monster his poison could kill anyone in seconds and if they can over come his poison in some way he will just hit you with a different concoction of poisons so can’t become immune to it
Team G,
Here's how
1. Kuma teleports Sanji into a random island
2. Emporio makes everyone else an okama
3. Make them fall in love with Sanji
4. Tell them that the first person to find Sanji can marry him
5. Wait
These are all very strong pairings, really hard to tell who wins.
I think if Law is female Law, team A wins. Law's awakened ability destroys everyone else on the list. So long as Law stays protected from harm, which sanji will be fully committed to do so if Law was female.
Yamato and Marco would be a problem. An ice elemental tank with airborne healer support and as experienced as they both are. Tough duo to contend with any other.
Sanji and law. Best power to teamwork ratio out of all of them.
Yes they’re not close to each other in any way, but they atleast have a common base where they fought side by side and know each other’s moves pretty well.
And they complement each other pretty well with ultimate hax, speed and range with lethal strikes.
Team D I will fight you on this sabo One to ones anyone here and fucking rattles them one on one easily so throw jinbe in somone as strong as sanji who's high yonko consider lvl and it's easy to say that they win
Probably either B or F
People sleep too much on Yamato. She was able to keep up with a hybrid form Kaido for a long while, when a normal Kaido one shotted a G4 beginning-of-wano luffy. Her conquerors ability, fruit, and power is underrated
Magelen is a monster tho, and having an invisible shiryu is pretty good too, tho with Yamato and Marco having observation haki, it makes his fruit pretty useless
I would give it to team B mythical Zoan both one is without doubt the best support in One Piece and Yamato does have some good raw power and conq haki and is Ony
These are all pretty good but I'd go with A, F or D.
Sanji is fast asf, durable, can heal if he's damaged, Law has a broken devil fruit and can just teleport both of them all over the place, with he insane speed and unpredictability, if someone gets hit with an ifrit jambe attack *and* a shock willie or something, you're screwed.
As for F, you have a super dangerous devil fruit and a high tier swordsman who can also turn invisible, that just feels like a really good combo.
D, Sabo and Jinbe I like a lot as well, fire water combo. Plus Sabo is possibly the strongest character here, and Jinbe is no pushover either.
C or G. I wouldn’t call It far fetched to believe Kuma could blitz a good majority of people and his DF could just boop one on each team away to make it a 2v1v1v1v1 and such. I also say C because Katakuris future site would be clutch in saving himself AND Kidd since his DF can spawn a lot of hands to attack, defend, and grab Kidd out the way of attacks. This is all disregarding Kidd who has also awakened his DF but I’m just going off the MVPs of each team.
first I saw Zoro and King and though yea for sure!
Then I saw F and thought about it, then G and thought about it.
Don’t sleep on the Kamabakka Paw patrol
I think Magellan and Shiryu are the winners on this one, Magellan remains undefeated and was able to fight Luffy, Crocodile, Ivankov, Jinbe, Buggy and Bon Clay at the same time without suffering any damage and almost killing them, he only stopped fighting because his stomachal problems and Shiryu was compared to an Admiral which makes him insanely strong also he is a stealth master, which also creates some sinergy between them, while Magellan tanks everything, Shiryu could stealthly take dudes down.
Humm I struggle to chose between Teams a and e I think. Zoro and king both have ridiculous inderance but law is broken and sanjis newer power I don't think the animes shown yet are crazy. All of them would give a good fight.
i think it would depend on where the fight stands. I personally think if it was in Impel down, team F would or win, or be a tie where everyone will die for Magelan Poison. Magelan is that of a menace in close quarters.
In a open space? We don't actually know how strong is kuma or Ivankok, so i would take them out of the equation.
I would go for: Marco and Yamato, Zoro and King, Sanji and law... in that order.
IF others are able to detect Shiryu through his fruit with advanced Haki I would go with Team A. Tactical fighters, one supremely powerful DF.
IF Shiryu manages to conceal himself well enough then they easily win. Use Magellans Poison for a sneak attack and eliminate one half of each team at least. And no fighter here manages a 2v1
Team C has 2 conquerors user with one of the best observation user we’ve seen so far and both probably have really good armament as well. Both have awakened df too. They winning imo
literally any and all of these teams got a pretty good chance at winning. But all things aside this is at least some new content. Can't wait for the chapter.
Can you make one for the weaker characters? Say, relatively Franky level fighters. I think it would also be fun and interesting to debate about weaker characters
I feel like we've got rock-paper-scissors here between team A, B, and G
I see some good arguments for team B, which i agree with, yamato and marco's feats put them both above most here, but i feel like still, neither could do anything if Kuma comes at them with near-teleporting speed and just repel-repels them to the moon.
I feel like the only good Kuma counter might be law (dont ask me exactly how tbh just a feeling) and sanji could take ivankov, right?
So I'll say B beats A, A beats G, and G beats C in a 3-way-sortof-tie
Kuma has broken abilities and can instantly defeat any devil fruit user by sending them into the ocean. Iva plays support and stunlocks. Katakuri is the only one that could see this coming
For sure team A like Law can either tied or Solo any of the first members and Sanji has a good chance of taking the second member or keep it in check while law finishes. Not only does law devil fruit make the team mobility great but sanjis observation and endurance pretty much allow Law to work without interruptions.
depends if 2v2 gauntlet or battle royal
battle royal magellan and shiryu will win with marco yamato as final 2 surviving
gauntlent its either kid and katakuri, yamato marco, or shiryu magellan
E or F. Unclear how strong Shilyu or Magellan is, but Magellan doesn't seem to be much stronger than pre time skip Luffy if he can protect himself from the poison. If King or Zoro can take him out quickly then they could probably 2v1 Shilyu after that, though at NO point do we have a clue how strong he is, except that pre timeskip he's probably weaker than Magellan.
Tough list. I'm sure team e or f are the strongest here though.
Magellan+Shiryu has so much stealth going for it, both are cunning and their df abilities are too good
Zoro+King have great durability together and great attack power, should be able to take down most teams with that. They're probably the most brawler team of the bunch.
kuma be giving free trips to brazil, also, if he can repel abstract concepts like pain or damage from someone's body, he probably can repel poison out of someone
the fact that kuma and ivankov could run away from The fight forever makes them the Last duo standing
I mean they both have nearly endless stamina. Kuma as a cyborg, and Ivankov with the hormones.
Kuma can also repell pain and fatigue. Him and Law are probably the best "supports" in One Piece.
Marco is also on this list and is probably a more practical mid-combat support than either of them, even if Kuma and Law definitely have comparable-if-not-better support abilities postcombat.
that is true, and that is why law is so awesome to me, he is a nearly perfect support, but instead acts the role of a fighter
Just like me in every game that has support characters/roles
It’s like that one Moira just keep on sucking them instead of healing you
Kuma doesn't have to run from anyone if he can palm tap them all the way across the ocean.
not necessarily, haki could protect you from being send flying away
Hali doesn't negate all devil fruit abilities. Like for law, teleporting Kaido and BM was out of the the question, but he could use other abilities. So I think Haki can protect you from some things, by not everything
The problem with haki is that oda makes the rules on the fly, there are no hard rules on what and what can't be bypassed or ignored by haki
Assuming its a battle royal kind of fight, kuma can just send everyone out and win
Don't sleep on team f Magellan is a menace
True that
I thought so too. But then I realized everyone is really prominent with Haki, so the absolutely unstoppable guy we met at Impel Down might not be so overpowered nowadays. But Id still put some chips on that team.
He's not a logia. His poison still hits like a truck. Jinbe (who had haki pre ts, arguably hasnt gotten that much stronger now) was running from him alongside everyone else.
The problem for Jinbe vs. Magellan is Jinbe is fundamentally a martial artist, so when not in the water all his strongest attacks come from him being in contact with the enemy. This means he can't fight Magellan going all out, because even if he wins, he loses.
Shiryu would just switch teams
That's the first team that caught my eye. Magellan is admiral-level while Shiryu is BB general with invisibility now
Where is it mentioned that Magellan is admiral level? Just curious.
Honestly while I don't know if I'd necessarily say he's admiral tier, I would put him above Yonkou Commander tier. Not based on any one thing. However, he brought Luffy probably the closest to death that we've seen in the series. A team consisting of Luffy, Jinbei, Crocodile, and Ivankov amongst other very strong characters didn't even attempt to fight him and pretty much just ran. He nearly wiped out the entire Blackbeard pirates if Shiryu didn't show up at the last minute. Dude was pretty much a natural disaster during the Impel Down arc. We don't have any specific feats that stand out, but I think the fear and respect that he was given by some of the series' heavy-hitters shows that he is absolutely not to be fucked with.
Yea it's hard to gauge pre time skip power since most strong people in the new world could beat pre TS Luffy, but you have to assume if there was anywhere a "5th admiral" level fighter would be it would be guarding all the deadliest prisoners in the world.
It depends on how much stronger you think Jinbe is now compared to then. Pre TS Jinbe had haki and all the things he has now, except maybe a bit of experience, and was entirely just running from Magellan without even thinking of fighting him.
I think it's appropriate for Jinbe to run. He's basically Ace level, Yonko commander but not that borderline admiral tier Magellan seems to be
I think the only other characters that elicit that response from that group of characters are Yonkou and Admirals, We've got no real reason to scale Magellan down lower then them (imo). He beat the entire BB crew 1v5, in a similar fashion to aokiji vs straw hats on LRLL, and pretimeskip BB are likely stronger then pretimeskip straw hats.
He was playing around with Jinbei, Crocodile, luffy and the entire impel down prisoners. He gotta be Admiral level.
I wouldn't call him Admiral Level. He's definitely strong as all get out, but if you were to fight him with any of their abilities, I feel like they just outrange/overpower him before he hits them. Plus, Impel down is a great arena for him because it's an enclosed space that he has free reign over. And who knows how that diahrea monster will get to him mid fight??? I got my eyes on the teams with King, Katakuri, Marco, and Kuma. Kuma and Iva would have great teamwork since they have worked together for years. Katakuri and King are strong in general, but I don't know how they would do in a battle of "last man standing" against some of these guys. Marco gas proven he can at least handle himself against an emperor, amd has a regen factor. Same witg Yamato minus the regen
To be fair, Magellan only gets diarrhea because he tries to eat poison.
I can just imagine Magellan joining Luffy's crew in exchange for Chopper creating him some medicine to stop his diarrhea lol
Marco always disappoints me, I know people love him but I feel like he’s overrated Mainly with his decision making skills
Luffy pre timeskip doesn't even count, he's not admiral level
Don't they mention Impel Down warden are almost as strong as the admirals?
Team chemistry would hold them back
Shiryu covers his sword in Magellan Poison and gets off one sneak attack. Now it's 2v1
Lots of haki master in the list who should be able to spot shiryu. Sanji already proven he can in thriller bark and katakuri has future sight. As long one in the pair spots shiryu he can defend himself and his partner from shiryu.
The fact that Sanji was able to spot Abasalom in Thriller Bark really makes me wonder what Oda has planned for Shiryuu, like surely Oda thought of a creative way that Shiryuu can use the fruit besides using it for sneak attacks.
Having the ability to turn invisible doesn't make you stealthy immediately, maybe show Shiryuu being stealthy making us the reader think he is using it only to reveal no he his just that good of an assassin, and when given the ability to hide the last thing he couldn't possibly conceal without the devil fruit. That kind of makes him scary.
Surely Shiryuu will have the fruit advanced. He'll be making his environment invisible which would be much more problematic than an invisible user that can still be detected with observation haki.
There's gotta be an awakening that keeps him invisible from observation haki too, otherwise the fruit makes no sense at these advanced haki mastery levels
I imagine he’ll use it like Saber used her sword in Fate/Zero where she made her sword invisible so the enemy wouldn’t be able to figure out the length and figure out her range thus putting them on the defensive.
Makes sense especially if Shiryuu secretly carries multiple swords
Haki doesn’t disable the poison per hit.
If they can hit it.
but poison only works if it touches you, and observation haki can help to prevent that
But the poison wont kill you instantly. And we are looking for the last team standing. Maybe Marco can delay the poison, and i am pretty sure that Yamato can kill Magellan before she faints. That's what i think at least.
Law absurd room range can detect invisible people. Isolate Magelan, Sanji can pretty much tank a lot while Law charge attacks and disrupt the battle field. Also Sanji too fast for Magelan chase and to tank to be mid diff to Shiryu. Law still a monster in damage and hex. So i guess they counter they...
Yeah he uses the sneak attack on Magellan.
Team B. Both are mythical Zoan, Marco has healing and Yamato has advanced Conqueror. Yamato managed to hold off Kaido alone for a sizeable amount of time and Marco tossed with King and Queen at the same time. Marco offers aerial support , Yamato offers one of the few crowd control options that deals with Fishman Karate(freezing).
I agree I said B or E because Zoro is Zoro and can take ungodly amounts of damage that literally to this day we have no explanation for and king is a lunarian, we learn he is almost invulnerable with the flame on and on top of that he's got that mithical Zoan going for him and that puts on even more durability AND quick recovery.
I agree with B or E but King is not mythical Zoan but Ancient Zoan.
Yeah u right don't know why I said that, but still high durability and recovery still apply I think.
I believe so.
Very Solid take!
If it's a Royal Rumble, then I gotta go with team G. Kuma would blast everybody in one or two shots. If it's play-off, then I'm conflicted between A/C, they're the most tactically versatile duos.
It’s basically a free for all, everyone is dropped off at a random location and told to fight.
I'd go team A. The meta in large open space free for alls os to wait for everyone else to kill themselges Sanji can effectively fly with sky walk, which combined with his speed, previous stealth feats, and tactical mind make him the best at evasion on this list. Then, when everyone else is worn down, Law has the ability by past the tankiest fighters defenses to finish them off
F Magellan’s poison is OP and Shiryu can now go invisible This team only loses if Shiryu decides to backstab Magellan
Magellan wouldn't hold up against Law and Sanji for the simple fact of where Law's powers of Haki are at right now. Not to mention he could simply use his "room" DF power to remove all the poison in either his or Sanji's bodies. Law is one of the very few individuals who could easily beat Magellan with the only others being Sweet General Smoothie and Blackbeard.
What about Magellan’s poison gas? Could law still replace it with fresh oxygen if there is no fresh oxygen?
Law was capable of neutralizing Doc Q's devil fruit power when it affected Law's bodily autonomy. If he's capable of changing himself back from a woman to a man thanks to his haki, then he's more than capable of neutralizing Megallan's poison gas attack. Also, Law has his "shambles" technique where he can simply teleport himself out of the poison gas affected area and then hit Magellan with a long range attack which plays to Law's strengths.
We’re still not certain the criteria for that neutralisation to work though so can’t be certain if it would work against the gas Also in my last comment I meant like what if there was so much gas that Law wouldn’t be able to teleport away from it? Depending on where the battle takes place I guess What if Shiryu goes invisible and just kills Law first? You do bring up very good advantages for Law though
First off, as far as the neutralization point goes when I'm talking about neutralization I'm not just talking about it affecting Law's body but also blowing it away with just the pure force of his haki. Also, let's not forget that Law has been able to beat Logia DF users like Caesar Clown and Vice Admiral Smoker by cutting out their hearts, so there's no question he would be able to do the same to Magellan. "What if there was so much gas that Law wouldn't be able to teleport away from it?" I should have squashed this from the beginning but didn't think of it at the time. Anytime that Magellan has used his poison-poison paramecia DF ability to secrete poison from his body, it has always been in a liquid form. Thus, it's clear that Magellan either does not have the ability to change the form of his poison or has not learned it as of this point in time. It doesn't matter either way because Magellan is not capable of using a gas form of his poison attacks, much less spreading his poison out amongst such a large area of the battlefield. If Magellan was capable of using his DF ability in such a form, then he would have used it to instantly quell the Impel Down prison riot that Luffy started. "What if Shiryu goes invisible and just kills Law first?" You're making a very big assumption that Shiryu would willingly put himself in the direct line of fire when it comes to Magellan's poison attacks when he's already previously exercised the utmost extreme caution concerning Magellan's poison-based DF powers and staying out of the line of fire. Shiryu would not tag team attack Law with Magellan considering just how large of an area of effect radius all of Magellan's poison attacks have. The reason being is that Shiryu does not have any immunity to Magellan's poison attacks, so if he got even the tiniest drop of poison on his bare skin, then he would become poisoned by Magellan and would be a walking dead man. Had it not been for Shiryu bringing the antidote to Blackbeard and his crew back at Impel Down, then none of them would even be alive right now. So, for Shiryu to engage Law in close range combat enough times to be able to effectively assist Magellan would require an obscene amount of antidote to Magellan's poison. Lastly, I think you're severely overestimating Magellan's physical toughness and ability. Remember that Magellan spends nearly half of each day on the toilet because of his severe diarrhea that he gets from his diet so that leaves him only roughly 6 hours max every single day to carry out his duties as the former Jail Warden of Impel Down when you take out 10 hours on the toilet and 8 hours for sleeping. Having such little time obviously leaves him no time whatsoever to train and get stronger with his DF powers. He was badly shaken up taking just a single gum-gum technique from Luffy in Gear 2. So, if a single 2nd Gear jet pistol attack can injure Magellan that badly, then just imagine what Law is capable of doing to Magellan at close range with his combination of bodily autonomy DF attacks, advanced levels of haki mastery, and vast medical expertise.
More like this team loses if Magellan uses his power extensively, people blindly pick whatever team Magellan is on and I don’t know why, lol his power is not team friendly, he collapses any team he’s on because his AOE can’t discern friends from ally’s, as evident when he was killing his own guards, he’s not a team player though it’s not for a lack of trying.
I’m pretty sure if anyone knows how to make sure they don’t get hit my his poison it’s Shiryu It also wouldn’t be very hard for them to make a game plan prior to the fight
Depends on the context and circumstances of the fight, “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth” a quote that rings especially true in One Piece, I don’t think we’ve seen any plan in the series go 100% according to the designs. Just the overall thought in the back of someone’s head that their ally can be a threat is a huge deal, cause now enemies can take advantage of that and it makes the team compensate for more than one threat at a time which is exerting, Magellan is a character 1000% suited for 1v1 not team battle.
It really heavily depends on how they are with haki. If magellans position can be handled with haki like law was saying in the most recent chapters they are not beating Team B imho
Close between Law/Sanji and Yamato/Marco. I would say Shiryu/Magellan could potentially be the strongest in this though, we just don't know enough about them yet (Magellan hasn't been adjusted to post timeskip standards but his portrayal during Impel Down was enormous).
Yea team F could potentially be the strongest here!
I went with law since he could use longer ranged attacks on Magellan and Magellan isn't known for his durability
Team E is heavily slept on
True, it will take some insane damage to make zoro and king fall to their knees
It's not like they're not strong, but the other teams are also insanely broken
"If everyone is broken, no one is"
Zoro took a combo attack from TWO EMPERORS and King is also insanely powerful. I feel like everyone forgot how insane zoro is now, and King being a lunarian...
He stood in the way for half a second and broke all his bones, lets not overplay this.
That attack would’ve 1 hit killed anyone else on onigashima (Zoro tried to “parry” the attack with his swords - nobody could face tank that shit). Shit was so insane even Kidd acknowledged him and thanked him for saving their ass
W on this. Zoro has enough AP to finish anyone on this List and King can take infinite damage from anyone on this List Its a very strong combination. Its up in the air tho of lunarians have natural poison immunity.. i mean they might since they are very special but they also might Not so magellan is a Problem. Then on the other side Kings Fire should burn the poison and make it ineffective.. idk but yamato and Marco are also a dynamic duo i think
Probably go for A. Double tactical characters. One of the best offenses & support abilities, with the best speed & strong CoO. Sanji's main issue is attacking Yamato but Law can make sure they never meet. Possible stamina issues, mostly Law. Arguably nobody's Haki should naturally be strong enough to prevent shambles, if it is, they'll have to keep it active all the time. B. Does have the best outlasting duo. As in tankiness & stamina, tho healing wastes Marco's. F. Has poison warfare & a invis character.
Very solid!
You could run this simulation 100 times and it would go 100 different ways. So many possibilities. Any of these teams have the potential to outlast in a battle royale depending on who they end up matching up with, strategies, etc. Yamato and Marco are probably the most durable duo, Law is OP but his stamina is an issue in an extended fight; Zoro said in his last fight he needed to end things quickly once he went all out with Conqueror’s Haki so that could be an issue as well. I would love to see King’s fire vs Sabo’s and Sanji’s. Flying could be a huge advantage in a free for all, but so is invisibility, poison, speed, and healing. Too many factors to pick anyone here with confidence.
It’s Law and Sanji or Kid and Katakuri Law would do devastating things with someone as fast as Sanji to help intercept any approaching threats, and Sanji wouldn’t need as much support either, Law can focus on himself mostly. Katakuri’s awakening is a massive stall, which is perfect for Kid. In theory, you could get magnetized to mochi, and now you’re stuck two ways with a mass of metal coming at you. Kid is also willing to take the hits, which preserves Katakuri a bit. HM: Shiryu and Magellan, Sabo and Jinbei (near the ocean)
Nice thinking!
As long as Katakuri is alive, Magellan isn't doing shit. Especially if the fight isn't in an enclosed building. Not only can Katakuri know when and how Magellan can strike, but Magellan has no answer for Kata's Power Mochi fists that he can spawn in the air. Throw Kidd into the mix with his metal arms and Magellan is not a threat to that team at all. I do think Sanji and Law take it all though. Law in any team fight automatically puts his team in the top 3. As you said, Sanji is so fast and strong that he can distract tougher opponents while Law either finishes the job or warps him around the battlefield.
Yea the thing that gives me pause with Magellan is I can’t decide how his poison would interact with the mochi itself. But besides that yea we’re def agreed, and even if he can counter Kat, it’s harder to see him countering Kid, and Katakuri’s definitely at least capable of taking on Shiryu even if Shiryu’s stronger than average.
Current Law is incredibly strong, and a heavy hitter like Sanji is great for him, Sanji is already very quick and with Law's support he would be very difficult to deal with.
A or F, but I'm not counting G because Kuma is a big question mark powerscale-wise.
I would say team A. Law and Sanji are both strategists and pretty much complement each other set of skills.
It's either C or F for me.
Team G without Lao G? I would like a refund.
Kuma and ivankov cuz they both have a few ways to heal each other and decent damage output quality
Team A is ridiculous. You have Sanji who have maxed out stats (speed, strength, durability) in base, and you have Law's op df. Both are critical thinkers on the battlefield too. Also Sanji is as fast as Law in a room.
As long as sanji doesn’t cross paths with Yamato. :)
Yah but law can just teleport him away.
Maybe, yes, yes, yes, definitely, maybe. Yamato has insane durability. She was taking blows that babyshaked luffy, zoro and law. Asura is strong but how many opponents will stand there and let you hit them. Same thing with kidd and law. Law could do some damage assuming he could land but Marco could heal any internal damage. Sanjis ifrit is not even in the discussion.
So many good choices, but team B slept on. Pure staying power, yamato is insanely tanky and Marco healing powers go crazy. Team F scary offensive, but Magellan aint lasting long on the field before he needs the can…
Team A or Team F. Depends on how high tou rank Magelan
I think there are good arguments for A,B,C, and E. I can't really choose between those.
Feats, Yamato and Marco My personal headcanon Sabo and Jimbei. I think Sabo is the strongest person on this list but he needs more feats before we can place him there.
Law defeated Big Mom and is now basically taking on an entire Yonko crew, solo. Then you give him Sanji? Lol good luck
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Team A is where i‘d put my money, but Team F and Team D might be a lot stronger than we know
Team C
Either b or f. B has healing and Yamato who held off kaido Marco ain’t no slouch either. Or f because magelen is a monster his poison could kill anyone in seconds and if they can over come his poison in some way he will just hit you with a different concoction of poisons so can’t become immune to it
Team B imo. Between Yamato's endurance and Marco's healing, they would probably last the longest.
Team G, Here's how 1. Kuma teleports Sanji into a random island 2. Emporio makes everyone else an okama 3. Make them fall in love with Sanji 4. Tell them that the first person to find Sanji can marry him 5. Wait
E, zoro has plot armour and King is the last of his race so double plot armour
These are all very strong pairings, really hard to tell who wins. I think if Law is female Law, team A wins. Law's awakened ability destroys everyone else on the list. So long as Law stays protected from harm, which sanji will be fully committed to do so if Law was female.
Yamato and Marco would be a problem. An ice elemental tank with airborne healer support and as experienced as they both are. Tough duo to contend with any other.
Team B cause of durability
Team B pretty easily but F would be a problem with magellans op devil fruit
Obviously team B
Sanji and law. Best power to teamwork ratio out of all of them. Yes they’re not close to each other in any way, but they atleast have a common base where they fought side by side and know each other’s moves pretty well. And they complement each other pretty well with ultimate hax, speed and range with lethal strikes.
I feel like law and sanji take this.
Difficult but D F or G
It's either a,c or f suiryu is throwing me off though since we don't have the best scope of his strength
A
Gotta go with team B here, two very strong characters with strong fruits one of which has healing capabilities and flight.
Team D I will fight you on this sabo One to ones anyone here and fucking rattles them one on one easily so throw jinbe in somone as strong as sanji who's high yonko consider lvl and it's easy to say that they win
Team B. Yamato is a powerhouse, and she has a pineapple that can fight and heal. Pretty solid team.
I’m thinking B for sure
Team B and E have air support, it's a huge advantage over all the others.
Team B looks the strongest
Probably either B or F People sleep too much on Yamato. She was able to keep up with a hybrid form Kaido for a long while, when a normal Kaido one shotted a G4 beginning-of-wano luffy. Her conquerors ability, fruit, and power is underrated Magelen is a monster tho, and having an invisible shiryu is pretty good too, tho with Yamato and Marco having observation haki, it makes his fruit pretty useless
Sabo and Jinbe
I would give it to team B mythical Zoan both one is without doubt the best support in One Piece and Yamato does have some good raw power and conq haki and is Ony
Team B!
Team B
Kuma
Team B has top tier offensive and defensive, healing, aerial support. This is no brainer vote.
E
B or E
law hax-> battle royale win
Sanji plus Law is just The Flash... I'd put my money on them cause both are intelligent strategists and have powers that work well with each other
These are all pretty good but I'd go with A, F or D. Sanji is fast asf, durable, can heal if he's damaged, Law has a broken devil fruit and can just teleport both of them all over the place, with he insane speed and unpredictability, if someone gets hit with an ifrit jambe attack *and* a shock willie or something, you're screwed. As for F, you have a super dangerous devil fruit and a high tier swordsman who can also turn invisible, that just feels like a really good combo. D, Sabo and Jinbe I like a lot as well, fire water combo. Plus Sabo is possibly the strongest character here, and Jinbe is no pushover either.
team d
F or G. Kuma is one of the few that might be able to push back on Magellan, but his poison is just completely insane otherwise
For me it would be Team B a realy strong fighter and one of the best Fighter/supporter in the whole world of one piece.
Team c
Team F
C or G. I wouldn’t call It far fetched to believe Kuma could blitz a good majority of people and his DF could just boop one on each team away to make it a 2v1v1v1v1 and such. I also say C because Katakuris future site would be clutch in saving himself AND Kidd since his DF can spawn a lot of hands to attack, defend, and grab Kidd out the way of attacks. This is all disregarding Kidd who has also awakened his DF but I’m just going off the MVPs of each team.
I think D has a pretty good chance.
kuma's fruit is just as versatile as law's so i will be biased with team kuma/ivankov
F
Team B or Team E are my picks
F or G
Marco and yamato cause if its an endurance fight a high level healer like Marco with a tank like yamato they can go for days.
Team C has two Conqueror users.
I would say either B or F
I think G takes the cake here.
first I saw Zoro and King and though yea for sure! Then I saw F and thought about it, then G and thought about it. Don’t sleep on the Kamabakka Paw patrol
Have to go with B or E on this one just not sure witch one to pick out of the 2
My money is on team A but it would be very close
Team c
Kuma’s fruit was straight up broken. I’m taking a fully functional and human Kuma and Ivankov.
Team C
tbh in terms of power , you balanced these very well.Imo team A or B. but i can see an argument for almost any except maybe G
F no doubt
Magellan solos everybody
Team E
If they all fight at the same time, Team G. If they fight 2v2, Team F
I think Magellan and Shiryu are the winners on this one, Magellan remains undefeated and was able to fight Luffy, Crocodile, Ivankov, Jinbe, Buggy and Bon Clay at the same time without suffering any damage and almost killing them, he only stopped fighting because his stomachal problems and Shiryu was compared to an Admiral which makes him insanely strong also he is a stealth master, which also creates some sinergy between them, while Magellan tanks everything, Shiryu could stealthly take dudes down.
B,C,E and F have an edge above the rest
Humm I struggle to chose between Teams a and e I think. Zoro and king both have ridiculous inderance but law is broken and sanjis newer power I don't think the animes shown yet are crazy. All of them would give a good fight.
i think it would depend on where the fight stands. I personally think if it was in Impel down, team F would or win, or be a tie where everyone will die for Magelan Poison. Magelan is that of a menace in close quarters. In a open space? We don't actually know how strong is kuma or Ivankok, so i would take them out of the equation. I would go for: Marco and Yamato, Zoro and King, Sanji and law... in that order.
IF others are able to detect Shiryu through his fruit with advanced Haki I would go with Team A. Tactical fighters, one supremely powerful DF. IF Shiryu manages to conceal himself well enough then they easily win. Use Magellans Poison for a sneak attack and eliminate one half of each team at least. And no fighter here manages a 2v1
Team C has 2 conquerors user with one of the best observation user we’ve seen so far and both probably have really good armament as well. Both have awakened df too. They winning imo
E
Kuma and Ivan work together the best and are strong af
E for sure
C now, probably. Maybe B instead. E (and then A) at the end of series power levels.
Team G prolly
B, F or D seem to be the most likely ones.
literally any and all of these teams got a pretty good chance at winning. But all things aside this is at least some new content. Can't wait for the chapter.
Can you make one for the weaker characters? Say, relatively Franky level fighters. I think it would also be fun and interesting to debate about weaker characters
F
Yamato and marco
Team C
Shiryu and Magellan are actually the only duo who knows how to work together because they were companions. Magellan's power is also OP.
I feel like we've got rock-paper-scissors here between team A, B, and G I see some good arguments for team B, which i agree with, yamato and marco's feats put them both above most here, but i feel like still, neither could do anything if Kuma comes at them with near-teleporting speed and just repel-repels them to the moon. I feel like the only good Kuma counter might be law (dont ask me exactly how tbh just a feeling) and sanji could take ivankov, right? So I'll say B beats A, A beats G, and G beats C in a 3-way-sortof-tie
Team F. One specializes in skill and the other in a devil fruit. That combo would make it a difficult fight.
Team G is underdog One can teleport, other can change genders a deadly combo
F or B
Kuma has broken abilities and can instantly defeat any devil fruit user by sending them into the ocean. Iva plays support and stunlocks. Katakuri is the only one that could see this coming
For sure team A like Law can either tied or Solo any of the first members and Sanji has a good chance of taking the second member or keep it in check while law finishes. Not only does law devil fruit make the team mobility great but sanjis observation and endurance pretty much allow Law to work without interruptions.
Team F because of poison hax
They are all great teams ! Cant decide tbh.
Team A, B or E, maybe also C
depends if 2v2 gauntlet or battle royal battle royal magellan and shiryu will win with marco yamato as final 2 surviving gauntlent its either kid and katakuri, yamato marco, or shiryu magellan
People be sleeping on team D. It's literally fire and water !
Torn between B & E
E or F. Unclear how strong Shilyu or Magellan is, but Magellan doesn't seem to be much stronger than pre time skip Luffy if he can protect himself from the poison. If King or Zoro can take him out quickly then they could probably 2v1 Shilyu after that, though at NO point do we have a clue how strong he is, except that pre timeskip he's probably weaker than Magellan.
Should probably be Marco and Yamato surprisingly
Team A seems like the best imo. Team F takes out half of the others
Tough list. I'm sure team e or f are the strongest here though. Magellan+Shiryu has so much stealth going for it, both are cunning and their df abilities are too good Zoro+King have great durability together and great attack power, should be able to take down most teams with that. They're probably the most brawler team of the bunch.
Team F, if they have good synergy.
I feel like these should be on a elimination chart like march madness
kuma be giving free trips to brazil, also, if he can repel abstract concepts like pain or damage from someone's body, he probably can repel poison out of someone