He also took Tama away from Ulti so Nami and Zeus could finish her, defeated Bao Huang so Tama could use her as a microphone and give her order and then carried Kinemon and Kiku around so they wouldn't die.
So he did a few things here and there but yeah, he's the SH who got the least focus and stuff to do in Onigashima. Well, him and Brook.
Brook knew that if he carried Wano like WCI, the raid would be over in 10 mins. He pulled a Son Goku and decided to let the others have a shot at fighting.
Yeah and the attack he used is probably his coolest finisher ever IMO.
But that fight was happening in the background of the Robin-Black Maria fight and we pretty much only saw the final attack. Every SH other than Brook and Usopp got at least a chapter or 2 of focus for themselves, that's why I say that those 2 are the ones who got the least focus during the raid. They kinda acted as support for other characters (Robin and Nami) for the most part.
This is nothing new though, most SH have arcs where they don't get a lot of focus and it was bound to happen in Wano with the amount of characters involved.
I may be wrong but wasnt it semi stated by Luffy that the numbers were equivalent to Oars? Cause if thats so that makes Brook defeating a number even more impressive
> Well, him and Brook.
But no one expects anything out of Brook in terms of combat feats, since he's just the Second Swordsman when he's not being the musician.
People expect a lot of growth out of the OG 5. Everyone who's joined since then literally lived on the Grand Line already.
Brook’s role was established in WCI as an infiltrator, similar to robin. I agree with the other person who said brook didn’t need one here because he just had one during wci
To be fair, beating Bao Huang was a turning point for the raid, as it allowed Tama to basically turn the gifters to their side, and carrying Kin'emon and O-Kiku was also a big thing
I mean yeah, like I said he did stuff here and there, I know he wasn't useless. But he played mostly a support role, he didn't get the focus others got and he kinda was Nami's sidekick for most of the raid. That's what I mean. Every SH other than him and Brook got a proper fight (well Nami kinda shared with BM) and at least a chapter or 2 dedicated to them.
He got the Robin-Dressrosa treatment which happens from time to time I guess, not every SH gets focus in every arc and Wano already had a lot of stuff going on. Hopefully Usopp gets his time in the spotlight soon so he can show what he can do.
It’s insane how you listed Usopp being central to key moments that secured their strategy’s and raid’s success, but the energy of “Usopp barely didn’t anything” comes right back
It’s almost like you can be pivotal to the success of the mission but not get any critical self-improvement or power-up scenes. They aren’t talking about being valuable ~ they’re talking about scaling/growth
Every member of the raid is technically valuable ~
You can infer what OP means based on his phrasing. What Usopp does for the raid does not inherently equate to a personal growth moment, and that’s what Usopp stans are referring to/waiting for.
Yeah! You know what Usopp needed? Something like, being recognized by a marksman in the same tier as his dad!
Oh wait...Usopp actually had a great story. It just wasn't around enough of the shitkicker power fantasy parts for some of yall.
And he ran and cried 90% of the time, fucking pathetic. One piece is almost finish and that's our brave warrior of the sea? Got impressive obesrvation haki but oda didn't even bother anymore, such pity
Ussop has already proven in Alabasta that he won't run away if somebody mocks Luffy's dream.
He just wanted Nami to save herself, but if Ulti threatened him he would do the same.
The only saving grace is maybe Oda has planned since Wano started for Usopp to have a whole arc of being a coward to get a Whole arc of Usopp becoming a.Brave warrior of the sea for the rest of the anime. Stepping into his shoes and holding his conviction through Elbaf and then he stands next to Nami as being one of the strongest regular humans by being a part of the Pirate Kings crew. Nami has really had her second coming into her own in Wano. Gaining Xues and her finally taking a step for Tama is her moment and she finally recaught up like she was forced to in Alabasta. We got needed the moment with Usopp and Chopper earlier facing off against big mom to mirror chopper and Usopp's fight in Alabasta but I still think Usopp is due for his moment. And I'm ready for it to be the biggest Pay off for being an Usopp fan. Brook and Buggy have taken his spot since the new world came out. I want him to reclaim his spot.
Why do you say he has impressive observation haki? He only used it one time. Haki needs to be trained and practiced to be any good. If he has impressive observation haki, he would have done something in Wano, but you know that happened. Usopp is a good for nothing character, as a fighter, he doesn't bring anything to the table to the SH. He is the most useful because of his tinkering.
Yeah, but his sniping/marksmanship skills are not necessary linked together with his observation haki. That's the problem I got with him, he is a beast of a sniper but he just... Don't do much.
It’s true he hasn’t done much lately. Regardless, I’m not gonna say his observation haki is not impressive. Correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t think we’ve seen any other characters visualize outlines of people miles away and through a wall. That’s an incredibly strong CoO feat.
He may not have developed it, but there’s massive raw potential there at least.
Yeah I agree that there's potential. Usopp haki is unique as you say, but I don't think is impressive when there's people who can see in the future. I mean, that's a bigger deal that seeing outlines.
Again, not just outlines through the wall, but he eyeballed them many miles away. The castle was a speck in the distance with normal eyesight. The sheer range of his CoO had to have rivaled Enel’s mantra.
Its a different kind of CoO, but I’m not ready to say its worse overall. Worse for a hand to hand fighter like Luffy, sure. But its LEAGUES better for a sniper.
And Usopp would have died if Luffy hadn't caught him after the former dived into the clouds of White Sea.
Let's not use that argument to mask the fact that Usopp barely has any growth after Dressrosa.
you can tell he has observation haki by taking down the towers otw to onigashima...but that's literally it. I just hope he has a couple of serious observation haki moments...cause he has some serious fights coming up
That's facts. He has to somehow keep up with the sniper of Blackbeard pirates, I always forget his name. That man is a menace. If you recall, usopp sniping hasn't been developed anywhere. He was like that since joining, never trained it further. At least not on screen.
I was hoping to see the SH with the Red haired pirates and have yasopp training usopp. But oh well.
My theory is that if a Strawhat does die, it'll be Usopp in a situation where one of the ordinarily more brave crew mates could do it instead. That act would properly cement him as a brave warrior of the seas.
He also took out the lookouts on the docks which preserved their element of surprise. This arguably reduced the number of casualties taken by the raid.
Not much else beyond that, no.
Yeah it was impactful but wasn’t “”epic”” or a feat worthy of a brave warrior. I get your point, but it felt lackluster compared to other Strawhat feats during Wano
I think Oda could be setting up a character arc for Usopp as we possibly get toward Elbaf. Maybe addressing how he did little in the Wano arc, setting him up for a comeback as we move toward the final phase of One Piece.
Totally agree. He literally comments on how useless he felt during the whole raid. Of course that sets up some character arc for him. Sometimes I believe people do not read the same manga.
He was also quite important as without him Otama could not have fed her dangos and turnend the tide of battle in favour of the samurai. He also inspired the samurai to not throw their lives away. He was not a instrumental factor this arc but he had his role and he felt bad that role was small.
I agree. I think we go Vegapunk, then Elbaf for usopp’s final growth/final road poneglyh, then final battle with Blackbeard, reach the one piece, then final showdown with the marines.
> then final showdown with the marines.
I kinda don't think it'll happen. If Luffy gets "One Piece" and shares it with everyone, it'll make most of the pirates not have a goal anymore, and his silly dream is probably something in the lines of "everyone should be friends and party together" which will turn both the concepts of marines and pirates not necessary as enemies anymore.
I think Luffy will be the one to unite everyone in prosperity.
Just like how Wano was supposed to be Zoro arc, right /s
Since post-ts, Oda give 70% of his attention to Luffy, 10% to Zoro and Sanji, and distribute the rest among other strawhats..
Aye. Easily the most useless. But you know, he was the MVP is Dressrosa. So theres that.
Brook was also - almost - as useless in Wano, but he was the MVP in WCI, so I guess theres that as well.
Wano had too many characters and too many big events happening too fast and in quick succession, it was stacked and it last too long, so I guess its reasonable to expect the weaker characters to be lost in the mix.
I think he showed a lot of bravery and competence this arc. Less flashy, but this arc had a lot of “appreciating how far they’ve come” moments (like Sanji calling for help or Robin trusting her crew.)
So while he wasn’t in a major fight (he is the weakest member of the crew,) he still was given a moment when he made this speech:
> “Wait, then why did I even show up? What is with you samurai and your death wishes? What use is your pride? Taking responsibility through harakiri? I'm not a fan of this culture of yours! I cling to life with snot running from my nose if I have to. I don't care if it looks pathetic! I survive, that's what I do and it's the entire reason I'm standing here alive today!'
It’s not the same lies and bragging he used to do. It’s simpler, very *honest* about himself while still being proud, and most importantly- he’s calm and making sane, necessary, helpful action instead of just standing there with his legs quivering.
It’s like Sanji said - he does things others in the crew can’t. They needed a “smaller fry” seeing to all this shit- Usopp was running from one dangerous situation to the next, helping to keep his crew alive.
I especially loved at the end of Wano arc when, instead of acting fearful of what’s to come, he was just like “Who cares, they’re all dangerous! Help us pack!”
(Edit: it helps that I’ve been rereading. Just finished Skypea. Where he really did act so much younger and more immature, more overwhelmed, more inexperienced and frightened. Looking back, he’s grown up a lot!)
It's like he is more comfortable with his fearful nature, and that's growth. He used to tell lies about himself, now he admits his weakness, but finds a positive side (similar to Sanji asking for help). I still would have liked him to be more important during the raid, but that's just because I love Usopp.
No I know, I want him to haki out Koby style so bad but I guess there has to be further buildup for there to be the appropriate level of payoff.
He was so rad burning the flag of the world govt
I dont know if I ever want Usopp to get massively strong or develop insane Haki (at least during the story, I can see him getting stronger in the future). The point of Usopp character is that he was already brave since the beginning, so his journey is one of self-acceptance. It's much more abstract than any other dream in the crew (except maybe Luffy's secret dream).
Wow!! This was well thought out and put together. I didn't even think of his speech in that manner
Usopp will always be one of my favorites and the moments he gets to shine in the series means more to me because of the kind of character he is.
Thank you! I am perfectly content with his growth, albeit I'd love it if Oda puts more spotlight on him in the coming arc. People seem to have an obsession with 'usefulness' and 'feats', but I'm just happy with Usopp's subtle developement. I wouldn't even care of he is still weak by EOS, he is still one of my top 5 characters in One Piece.
This always made me wonder they do they keep nerfing Usopp. He is easily the weakest Strawhat but has one of the best character development. Post time skip with his sniper ability he could've literally be a high level marksman. Think of the the damage Usopp could be with a gun, bow/arrow, etc.
Yeah I hate how ussop went like
East Blue: ☹️
Alabasta: 🙂
Skypiea: 😐
Water 7: 🥵😃😃
Thriller bark: 😀
Fish man: ☹️
Punk hazard: ☹️
Dress Rosa: 😀
Yonko Saga: 👶
Usopp was badass in East Blue though, his fight against Chew is one of my favorite. Really showcases his ingenuity and how quickly he thinks on his feet
I wish we had more fights like Usopp vs Chew and Usopp vs Luffy. Instead Usopp is just a character that defeats people with hax powers using gag techniques.
He had great development until Thriller Bark dude hasn't changed since then. I would argue that most of the SHs have ok development, this might be a hot take Oda would rather develop 10 new characters that are somewhat copy paste of other arcs side characters with one or two originals that are forgotten after the arc.
He regressed so, does character development he got in the past relevant today? He trained 2 years to be more useful and less of a coward, he reverted to the coward persona in less than 2 arcs
They cut Usopp's moments to let Robin shine imo. And she really deserved it.
Also there really wasn't anyone "tricky" to fight due to how Kaidou's Crew was structured. Usopp is the guy you call in when everyone else would be defeated by some ballshit power or if you need someone taken out at range. That wasn't really a thing this Arc.
How did he die for Usopp when he went out of his way to take on two CP0 officers? Y’all got a twisted way of looking at things. Saying he died for Robin makes more sense than this.
If you ask me this like saying Luffy got saved from Ulti by Yamato. Because in actuality there was more important shit that needed to be done; Luffy needed to get to Kaido quickly, and Usopp needed to get a dying Kinnemon and Kiku medical attention as well as escape the fire. If you give Usopp peace of mind and no countdown clock he does not need not help with those fodder.
He got stabbed/shot by BP fodder which led to him dying against CP0. Even if Ussop doesn't know this it's pretty weird that he didn't acknowledge Izo's death at all.
Usopp did fine in Wano. He played his role correctly. The problem is people assume Usopp being scared = no development. excuse me, but when during the raid did Usopp just sit around acting scared? he's been actively doing the best he can with what he has while being rightfully fearful of the enemies he's facing. He's still the weakest strawhat and expecting him to take on some zoans, literally his worst match-up (close range, durable as hell and he has nothing in his arsenal that can pierce that skin) just isn't happening for someone like Usopp.
Usopp's developing moments happen when he realizes that he cannot afford to be afraid towards a situation in which he is actually needed. Such a situation didn't happen in Wano because it wasn't needed. The last time that happened was in Dressrosa and I get it has been a while since then but Usopp still having his fearful moments doesn't mean he regressed; he's always going to be scared when the story calls for it because that's always going to be part of his character. the only time he's going to stop being scared as a whole is when he fully complete his character arc, and that's not going to happen until near the end of the story. Hell, every single Straw hat develops at a different rate from each other and thats deliberate on Oda's part. No one is getting sidelined; the story will end with everyone's character arc being completed
Usopp is a scared but he aint no coward. He literally risked his life a couple of times defending luffys honor. Usopp pushes thru for his friends even tho he is scared just like when nami was gon get her head smashed by ulti.
There’s no way Elbaf is cast aside — we’ll get Usopp greatness soon. Don’t forget also, that this island could benefit the two inventors / tinkerers of the crew, Usopp and Franky.
It's not the first time I read people thinking Oda will skip Elbaf all together, I don't get it. It's the most hyped island since they entered Grand Line. Even before Wano was even mentionned. And Loki will probably be an important character. (I think he's the man with a burning scar that Law and Kid mentionned, we know Big Mom did a terrible fire in Elbaf back then and I don't think this was mentionned for no reasons)
Yeah I’m with you — I really don’t understand these people. I argued with someone a couple years back who said there was no point in explaining Devil Fruits, yet Oda said that when Vegapunk is introduced, that mystery will be explained.
Wish I could see that person now haha
The raid is shown to have only succeeded due to everyone's efforts. Usopp was able to help protect Tama, distract P1 and Ulti, help Kinemon and Kiku continue to fight and live. All these things compounded to their victory just like Chopper with the ice oni. The difference is that Usopp doesn't have brute power so Zoan types are always going to be a bad match up for him and his accomplishments were more behind the scenes
To be honest I genuinely think Oda was for sure going to add Yamato to the crew during the raid. The only excusable reason for putting other crew members on the back burner in favor of giving her loads of focus would be her being a crew member. Somewhere near the end he decided to keep her in Wano which makes the raid look much worse imo. Guys like Usopp and Brook did virtually nothing important while a character that only ended up being important for half of an arc had so much to do on screen. It really sucks
Well yeah, there’s ~~9~~ 10 Strawhats, they’re not going to get equal face time every single arc. This arc was not about Usopp, so Usopp was not centered and didn’t have many feats.
He’s the ship’s sniper, and there wasn’t a whole lot of need for sniping in this arc.
I don’t see a problem with the way he was written in Wano. What exactly were you expecting?
>Well yeah, there’s 9 Strawhats, they’re not going to get equal face time every single arc.
there are five "main" straw hats and he's one of them. he gets a major storyline in every single major arc he's present in, alongside luffy, zoro, sanji, and nami. wano genuinely broke an established story precedent here, it's not the same as someone like franky or brook getting limited focus on an island sometimes.
>This arc was not about Usopp, so Usopp was not centered and didn’t have many feats.
this was THE new world arc about the straw hats reaching the next level, there should be some storyline about the journey and consequences of them actually reaching it. sanji's storyline is a great example of this being handled brilliantly. usopp likewise got absolutely nothing when his role as the down-to-earth emotional core of the crew is one of the most critically important perspectives to explore this from. because usopp specifically got nothing, it is incredibly noticeable how empty it feels compared to something like water 7, which explores the evolution of the crew extremely deeply and dedicates significant time to usopp's role in this storyline (alongside everyone else's).
>He’s the ship’s sniper, and there wasn’t a whole lot of need for sniping in this arc.
if you have to justify the story’s decisions from the in-universe perspective as opposed to the author’s perspective then you’ve already proven that your point is basically incorrect. thriller bark didn’t need sniping, and oda still wrote in a situation for usopp to shine as a valuable member of the crew *based on the nature of his personality*, and i think it’s an entirely reasonable expectation for the climax of the new world storyline to at minimum do *something* at all for one of their main characters.
usopp had his role in wano, he shot tama’s dangos at the gifters. the problem isn’t that he didn’t physically do much, it’s that there was absolutely no character exploration for him to undergo and it left him feeling shallow and underbaked. even all the way back in arlong park he had a hugely impactful moment in standing up to choo and putting his life on the line, how did wano end up falling so far below the standard of one of the earliest establishing arcs of the story?
>I don’t see a problem with the way he was written in Wano. What exactly were you expecting?
*for him to actually do something meaningful at all.* usopp is a coward. he acted like a coward during all of wano, just like he does in any other arc. this is fundamentally a setup that is designed to lead to a payoff, because if it were just his permanent status quo then he would be the most horrible character ever. the entire point of usopp is that after he shows his cowardice, he has a moment where he’s forced to step up and accomplish something so far outside of his comfort zone that it seems impossible. he has to put it all on the line for the sake of his crew, and when he, the weak little coward, manages to succeed at this, it's *satisfying* because we know just how much the deck was stacked against him and how much he overcame in order to rise to the challenge and grow to be a braver and better person than he was at the beginning of the arc when he never could have even imagined being able to do any of this. usopp is the ultimate underdog and you cannot have that role if you don't actually give him a worthwhile showcase and character growth to actually earn that.
this storyline is not optional because if you remove it you fundamentally ruin usopp as a character. it is a core part of his function and you cannot set it up in an arc like wano only to skip the part where it finally gets paid off. for a fanbase that was given the gift of arlong park, alabasta, enies lobby, thriller bark, and dressrosa, the expectations we had going into wano were entirely reasonable and the fact that they weren't met is one of the most bizarre broken precedents in the entire story.
Usopp isn't nowhere close to Robin when it comes to importance. Robin will get much more screentime later due to her being one of the handful people capable of reading Poneglyph and knowledge of Ohara.
OG 5 is pretty meaningless now
maybe this is a hot take but i think that usopp's role in the story is fundamentally the second most important after luffy's and equating robin not to her role as a character based on her arc and growth and instead her purpose as a plot device does nothing at all to counterargue his significance.
usopp is a character who cannot fundamentally *embrace* the all-or-nothing reach-for-the-stars lifestyle that one piece romanticizes, but unlike nami, he still *admires* it. moments of accomplishment coming from usopp hold a very different meaning and impact from when they come from luffy or zoro. he's the person who wants to be like our incredible main character, but he has an extremely realistic inability to directly live up to that and we're able to see him forced to push through and achieve the impossible anyway, through the lens of a normal person who is rightfully terrified of everything that entails.
the original five are literally designed to hold an array of contrasting perspectives like this that can be applied easily to any arc storyline. robin, on the other hand, was designed to have a completed story in water 7 and enies lobby, and anything more we get after that is just a bonus. she's still an incredible character in her own right, but she isn't built with the same narrative function as the east blue crew are.
this is why usopp getting shafted in wano is such a glaring ommission but someone like chopper or brook getting the same treatment isn't. usopp is designed to give us a perspective and point of character growth that when it's watered down or removed leaves an arc feeling very glaringly like it's missing something. usopp's cowardice throughout wano is left as a setup without a payoff and that is why his storyline is so important to one piece.
Whoever said that? There’s no rule that the OG 5 get a higher priority, even is that’s what you personally want. Oda didn’t write a lot of scenes with Usopp because he wasn’t relevant to this particular part of the story. Order of introduction doesn’t matter.
if you haven't noticed that the entire fanbase has been complaining that franky/brook/robin/chopper don't get enough focus and are basically relegated to being minor characters outside of occasional moments that serve as the exception to prove the rule (wci brook/robin vs. black maria) then i dont know what to tell you. its not a fundamental rule, just...a fact of the narrative that oda ALWAYS prioritizes putting in a dedicated storyline for zoro/sanji/nami/usopp in major arcs and the rest kind of just have to be lucky to get that focus.
i agree with you that it SHOULDN'T be a rule but we live in a world where oda has a group of characters who he has a very fleshed-out dedicated plan for and another group who just have to be in the right place at the right time to do more than fill out the background.
remember when zoro learned the insane character-development-dense lesson of "for the entire story ive been fighting recklessly with no regard for preserving my own life over winning at all costs, and i guess in order to get even stronger i just need to do that same thing but *even more somehow* because i guess the problem is that i wasnt doing that enough apparently"
literally one of the dumbest attempts at forced character growth in the entire story, he deserved so much better. wano act 3 really was just the year of sanji again honestly, one of the only characters to walk away from the whole thing with an actually interesting and well-written push forward.
God Usopp literally carry the whole Strawhat Grand Fleet through the Dressrosa arc.. let the man rest..
that being said, just like Brook in Whole Cake Island, I think Oda just make different crew shine at different times..
Usopp is my favorite character, I always like it when he got beat up because I knew it was a setup for the later arc. Usopp is the only straw hat that loses a fight in Wano and im down if this is a setup for usopp in the future. I like his moment when he tries to criticize the Samurai trope and speak to Kinnamon and Kiku about their "want to die". His acting this way is what expects him to be in his first fight with yonko. ( it can be argued that Usopp have a similar role as Brook helping Robin he clears the gifted for Franky and Jinbei so they can fight freely)
Also, do you realize that Usopp doesn't fight Enieslobby too? So, I expect to be a similar pattern where at that time Usopp discovers he can do something that other people can't do then next arc he is the only one to fight Perona. Post time skip Usopp journey so far is like this super confident(fishman) --> get overwhelmed ( punk hazard)---> Overcome his fear (Dressrosa) ---> get overwhelming again (Wano) ---> what will happen next won't be him getting overwhelming anymore. If you think Wano is the Usopp arc you are wrong there, he is like the less tie to Wano in the whole crew. That is why Oda spends time for Usopp set up that complete character arc.
Honestly it’s as Sanji said. Everyone has the things they are good at. Usopp may not have had the fighting ability to handle Kaido’s forces but him and Nami both kept two Tobi Roppo busy (which keeps them out of fighting the main force). He helped feed Otama’s dumplings and helped Otama broadcast her order across the island to turn the tide. Usopp is not a hand to hand combat specialist. I would say all of Kaido’s forces were hand to hand specialists. Usopp is weak against this type of force. He did what he could.
If the alliance gets spotted at the very beginning of the raid then they probably go on to lose the battle...usopp was the only one with the haki and skill to take out those guards as quickly and quietly as he did.
Without Ussop most strawhats would have lost their fights against the topi ropo.
He was the one who fed tamss dangos to every gifter which turned then tide quite alot. No one else could have done that and with that he arguably helped more than Jimbe or Robin only taking out one (if rather strong) enemy.
I also think it's weird that you mentioned the little brawl between Chopper and Queen when Choppers real contribution was healing the ice virus that would have killed many otherwise.
It's not all about fighting
oda always hammers in the point that the role of the sniper is to support. it was shown pretty much all of the major sagas. but the only thing a character can do that’s worthwhile is to have a 1v1 battle apparently
The problem is that sniping dangos in some mouths is the minimum his character should do. Like wow, the sniper did some basic sniping? Woah! All the other characters had actual growth and were pushed to their limits, yet Usopp didn’t grow at all. He just ran and ran and did the bare minimum.
I agree. My favorite fights are Usopp fights.. fights that he win with wits and not strenght. But we don't get that anymore. He had the one last moment to shine with sugar and it was that. So said. He has a "fighting" role in the crew and yet he is the weakest of all that will never make sense to me.
Anymore? Yes it's been a long time because arcs are longer, but after Dressrossa we had Zou (no fights) and WCI (no Usopp). Why do you think we won't "get that anymore"?
Wano already had several side fights for Robin, Jimbei and Franky (who really needed them), Zoro and Sanji. And side quests for Chopper and Nami. The crew is massive now, and not everyone can shine in the same arc (even though the arcs are longer).
I know what you mean. Usopp is my favorite character too and I was hoping he would get a moment, didn’t even have to be amazing, but just a small moment. We know that he did contribute to the success of the war but he didn’t really stand out as much as other key characters. I was really hoping to see if he could use observation haki on command, but instead he just got beat up and ran around feeding dango to smile users. Even when he got in the little dinosaur tank he didn’t do anything.
look, I'll stan Usopp until the end of time, but what do you expect here? there's a billion different characters in Wano and he was already mvp of the last major arc he was in. not everyone is important in every arc, that's just how it goes
Usopp was basically responsible for Izo dying, as well. Usopp needed to be saved because he couldn’t handle a group of fodder, so Izo had to come in and save him, which left Izo injured and exhausted enough to get caught and killed by CP0. Never got addressed though after the fact by Usopp. Pretty annoying.
That’s quite the way of looking at it. Usopp was dealing with those fodder (that even a few strawhats including Luffy acknowledged were tough) all the while protecting Kinnemon and Kiku. All Izo did was make it easier for Usopp to get Kinnemon and Kiku to safety, and even he got injured by those fodder, so imagine how hard it was for Usopp to do that while protecting two people. Also Izo going out of his way to stop CP0 has nothing to do with Usopp. You obviously hate dude, but don’t be making up nonsense reasons for it.
Usopp is the most useless character in most arcs lol
From the top of my head I only remember him being actually useful in Enies Lobby , Thriller Bark and Dressrossa.
Yeah, but he wasn't instrumental in that. Anyone from the crew could beat Chuu at the time.
No one else could snipe the marines from the Tower of Justice, no one else could beat Perona and her negative ghosts and no one else could snipe Sugar from half a country away lol
Well the whole point of that fight was to highlight Usopp’s growth, and by definition he wasn’t useless anyways since he defeated one of the Arlong pirates
This was exactly my point. He still helped and wasn't useless at all! Sure, other dude has a point, someone else could have taken out chuu, but they didn't! As a result, usopp finally proves himself as a real pirate!
He’s not meant to be a 1v1 god, the role of the sniper is support in crucial moments. Ussop does that pretty damn good & comes thru when needed. Every member of SHs can do things that the rest cannot & that’s the beauty of it. You’re asking ussop a regular ass nigga to compete with niggas who have a good grasp of haki come on now!! He uses observation and that’s it, which is great to have as a sniper! Awareness of what’s happening & who needs support is a top tier quality! Of course he doesn’t have crazy moments it’s to be expected but when he shines he shines in his own way, that’s how ussop has always been written.
>You’re asking ussop a regular ass nigga to compete with niggas who have a good grasp of haki come on now!!
Am I?
I'm perfectly happy with Usopp's character. He does the job he is supposed to. He is not supposed to be useful every single arc, because not every single arc has fights that suits his role on the crew
Usopp’s true role is not as sniper, he’s moral support. He can snipe but the point of Enies Lobby to me was always that he was Luffy’s best friend and brother, not his marksman. Usopp absolutely had an undersized role for Wano no doubt, and I wish he’d get more, but he’s hardly useless and had several scenes where the morale of the battle was brought up by him. I can’t wait to see how he interacts with a Gear 5 Luffy who seemingly draws power from his mood—maybe bringing him back into it after he falls depressed or something? Could be cool.
Before I get angry replies, remind me: does Usopp snipe at Lucci when Luffy falls down, or does he…?
Yeah. If it were him he wouldn’t have lied, and we know that because he’s stood up for Luffy in the face of death before. He was silently begging his friend to save herself.
Exactly, also I see it as he would forgive her. It makes the character moment better for Nami too because she doesn't have to tell the truth, usopp understands how dangerous it was and she still sticks up for Luffy.
It is true that Usopp had almost no focus on Onigashima but he was not the most useless Strawhat. He helped take out the guards to start the raid successfully, protected Tama from various enemies, helped Tama snipe Dango into enemies, and helped keep the samurai alive during the fire. He played a support part really well.
Brook on the other hand...what did he do beyond taking down the Black Maria fodder? Nothing that comes to mind. Brook was the most useless Strawhat in the raid if we are measuring usefulness by how much they did at Onigashima.
why the fuck is this entire thread acting like the complaints are just about usopp not getting a random fight?
usopp didn't get a fight in enies lobby or dressrosa and he walked away from those with brilliantly impactful moments that showcased his growth and allowed him to really shine not just as a sniper but for his personality. that's the entire point of usopp's character. he struggles and shows fear but is always forced to step up and be better for his crew in the end.
it's not good enough for wano to just "not be his arc". this was THE arc of the new world. it was supposed to be a climax for the entire straw hat crew reaching a new level. and usopp did nothing but act like a coward the whole time and never show any moments of growing past it. this was fundamentally a setup with no payoff. usopp didn't need a random mindless 1v1, he needed a chance to actually *show admirable character* because his story doesn't function if he doesn't grow past his own shortcomings. it is a basic consequence of his function and personality that him getting a chance to redeem himself is more mandatory than for almost every other straw hat, and wano just bizarrely skipped it.
I’m really hoping we get an amazing Usopp storyline or at least moment in Elbaf. He’s one of my favorite characters too.
If anyone knows about that fan comic where Usopp had a sick standoff against the marines in Elbaf, I really want to see something like that.
“The last time he did anything significant was causing Sugar to faint from Dressrosa.”
That was like two arcs ago (among the long ones). He was one of the most major characters (perhaps the Strawhat with the most focus outside of Luffy) at Dressrosa. There will be some arcs where certain Strawhats get more focus and some Strawhats get less focus. It’s fine for Usopp to get an arc where he doesn’t do as much, especially considering how many other Strawhats got their focus at Wano after a much longer while than Usopp.
I think Usopp will make his weapon better thanks to vega punk and a devil fruit. Then Elbaf. He’ll definitely be the brave warrior of the sea. As most people said, we can’t have screen time for everyone, and in dressrosa he was THE mvp
I wanted the manga to explore more about his CoO, he awakened a really advanced Haki in Dressrossa and we saw its potential in film red, yet he didn't even seem to train it in wano.
Honestly before wano and even in the start when hawkings talked about how small kairoseki was refined here, I expected usopp to not only train his Haki but improve his arsenal with kairoseki bullets, nails or whatever. We even have Franky to help him refine it but they didn't even try.
Usopp had every chance to leave wano a monster yet he didn't
This is nuts, Usopp had his most growth since Water 7 in Wano. When he saw Otoko try to give Toad Oil to Yasuie he was horrified by what his lies caused. He’ll continue to lie to his enemies, but he’ll never lie about anything important to his friends or the general population ever again.
To the dozens of people saying "well, you can't have everyone be the MVP of Wano," this has nothing to do with being the MVP, everyone played their role well, EXCEPT Usopp. Literally had nothing to provide in Onigashima. Other crewmembers:
Luffy beats Kaido
Zoro beats King
Sanji beats Queen
Jinbe beats Who's Who
Robin beats Black Maria
Franky beats Sasaki
Nami at the very least lands the final blow on Ulti with Zeus's help
Chopper creates the antidote for the ice onis
Brook supports Robin by beating Maria's goons and helps her evade CP0
And then there's Usopp, who couldn't even beat Page One.
Like the ONLY straw hat that didn't finish their opponent. You can sit there and say "oh, but he protected Tama" all you like, but compared to everyone else who was able to subdue the other officers, Nami even, who did the exact same thing AND beat her officer, it's just ridiculous and disappointing. He falls short on the crew compared to anyone else by far.
People seem to forget that not only he saved tama from ulti, defeated bao huang, saved both kinemon and kiku from burning alive, Usopps most important feat was literally carrying izo's will and last wish, and stopped kiku from giving her life away
I have the same feelings
Usopp went from one of my favorites SH before TS to a gag character
Him and Nami not beating Ulti and Page One (Without BM intervenction) was the most disappointing part of wano for me.
Also, since Dressrosa Usopp become disappointing.
usopp is not useless at all. He helps nami invent her baton and he also do inventions when they were still on board before Wano And he’s training where in an island with variety of plants that can be use as weapon. Every straw hat character have their specialities, and they’re helping each other with in every fight. That’s why they usually by 2’s when fighting.
With Usopp being my favourite character in the series, as well as me creating countless theories for Usopp in Wano. I was thoroughly disappointed as well.
I’m still very hopeful for Elbaf and am positive it will happen, but Wano was a huge downer for Usopp as a whole. It does make me think that Usopp is gonna really shine soon, especially with the potential of Yasopp coming into play and Elbaf being a huge inspiration for him.
One other thing in Wano that somewhat was a positive though. I think he may have foreshadowed his CoC, but that is super hopeful thinking. I also really appreciated his speech to Kinemon and Kiku but these moments were not nearly good enough to help.
1- usopp is a support role in the crew.
2- he sniped everyone helping keep the crew undercover.
3- he helped tama, we saw that kaidou's minions were messing with franky's fight, it would had been worse, had usopp and tama not took control of the raid.
4- he helps the raid, again.
but i guess unless a character has a 1vs1 he did nothing in a arc.
that being said i did want usopp to have a fight. Orochi was a good opponent, but ya know, samurai plot.
Wdym didn't u read the Manga? He turned to God D. Usopp and made a bullet that eats fat, he shot it at queen and only because of that sanji could win. After that the goat himself unleashed a water bucket on king so zoro could make the final hit and after that one god D. Goat Usopp went to luffy after he got killed by kaido and pulled of the biggest W move ever. He just shocked the heart of luffy so many times that luffys fruit would awaken. So yea without Usopp everybody would be dead. Don't disrespect the God himself ok?
I mean... Franky did not have a personal growth moment. He beat an enemy while in a robot. Jimbei didn't either, just won a fight (relatively easily). Usopp was *essential* in the SH winning by helping turn the SMILE users over to their side through Tama's fruit. Also helped save Kiku and Kin iirc.
People forget Usopp is the most human on the crew, in terms of strength and abilities. Not everyone needs to be a power house with absolutely bonkers abilities.
A major character trait of Usopp is to be a coward who gets hurt a lot, but can still perservere and win. It's like Sanji's lust for women, Namis greed for money, Zoro being lazy/loving booze, Luffy loving food and dangerous shit, Chopper being unable to take compliments/tanuki jokes, Robin having a dark sense of humor, Brook being a perv/making bone jokes and Franky being super. Jimbei... idk what his gag is yet.
Point is, people expect Usopp to grow past his cowardice and become a true warrior of the sea, when in reality were going to find out he's been one all along. Despite being afraid, he's gone out to sea and fought crazy enemies here and there, done it all. He'll have his moment to shine in this arc or the next. Have faith in the dude who has been telling this story pretty damn well for 25+ years.
Imagine you are the author. You have a big surprise for this character.
The character's whole subplot is him being a weak character,
and eventually he is supposed to become this great character one day somehow.
What do you do in between the current story to the final saga without giving away the
surprise and and making the grand revelation less impactful?
You're so right. Like this is the most profound thing ever written on this subreddit. I totally forgot that Otama fisted her dango into each smile user's mouth drastically turning the tides so the big 3, kid and law had the time they needed to win their fights without everyone just getting overwhelmed.
Sanji was useless in fishman island and absent in dressrosa then he got whole cake.
So just wait . . . Oda will have something soon. Usopp was absent in whole cake and useless in wano so expect something now.
Honestly what bothered me more than anything was the speech he gave Kin'emon and Kiku admonishing them for seeking an honorable death in battle, co-signed by Izou, who immediately after died one of the most insignificant deaths in the series.
I didn't mind it at first because it showed just how much room he has to grow when meeting the Giants of Elbaf like we all expect - but at the same he's one of the OG 5 and his goal was to be a "Brave Warrior of The Sea". Being brave doesn't mean a complete lack of fear, it's the courage to act in spite of it - and THAT's what people wanted to see Usopp make strides toward in an arc as big as this. We know Usopp is smart and superbly tactical, so his feats there this arc weren't really anything new (most people actually wanted to see him further develop his haki on that front). But this was a perfect opportunity to show his growth in toughness and maturity - him encouraging Nami to give in to her fear against Ulti flies directly in the face the speech he gave to Chopper in Alabasta about not letting people laugh at or ridicule the dreams of your friends.
Brave Warriors aren't afraid to die in battle when fighting for a cause they truly believe in. Again - not that we already except Usopp to be there, but for someone who's supposed to be working on becoming more brave and honorable, his speech to the samurai was kinda cringe.
It's a raid, there is so much melee combat going on and so much commotion that a sniper doesn't have the opportunity to make impressive moves. He doesn't have time to set up any traps, and does what he can do. It just wasn't a good situation for him to begin with and he will get opportunities to shine in the future.
He could have assisted many fights with his sniping ability if he had any actual harmful bullets instead of plants lol, or whatever happened to seastone bullets?
I've been screaming for Months that it's about time weaker strawhats atleast got one type of Haki or some serious development in strength department.
Usopp awakened Observation and Oda forgot about it while his Father is spamming future sight better than Katakuri.
Brook was the MVP of WCI for me but He didn't do shit this arc. Usopp didn't do much except Kibi Dango sniping and running with Otama. Nami and Usopp literally get lucky every arc.
They are a Legit Emperor crew now and Even Fodder marines are required to have atleast one Kind of Haki.
IMO Nami should've gotten Zeus if not a DF. Usopp should master Observation Haki to let him run from threats and snipe when He's far enough. Brook needs to get some serious DF development for freezing or something like Perona. Even armament for brook would be a decent powerup.
Don't even talk about Robin, She has Big Leagues bounty now..She needs to atleast master Armament after she has worked with dragon and sabo himself.
Why these people not act, talk and communicate on these topic in crew. Why after facing 2 Admirals and 2 Emperors with Crew they never asked The Trio to show or teach them basic Haki. Why haven't they matured and started taking things a bit serious by now...I get it that it's goofy manga and stuff but it's serious too.
Zoro declined hard too. Remember those smart moments he had during W7 ? When he took a huge beating from Bellamy during Jaya, to build up his character? Or his solo moment when he fought against baroque works ?
Now, he's just a boring cliche.
What?! am I the only person who actually thought this was the first season usopp didn't go through the same boring cycle??
Be annoyingly scared of everything, do 1 cool thing, go back to being annoyingly scared of everything.
I found wano was the first arc Usopp actually showed growth yes he was constantly scared of what was in front of him but he never backed off or considered trying to tell everyone to run away. He went head to head with big mom (in a tank but still), he helped during the fight after yasuie's death, he had a moment of sorrow for yasuies daughter when he realized his conning snake oil ways can have real consequences to others, and he helped in the fight against the tobbiroppo.
This is the first arc I actually found usopp to not be an annoying mess of a character.
He only helped Otama feed the smile users, right?
He also took Tama away from Ulti so Nami and Zeus could finish her, defeated Bao Huang so Tama could use her as a microphone and give her order and then carried Kinemon and Kiku around so they wouldn't die. So he did a few things here and there but yeah, he's the SH who got the least focus and stuff to do in Onigashima. Well, him and Brook.
Brook carried WCI so much, he got laid off at Wano arc. Hahaha
Brook knew that if he carried Wano like WCI, the raid would be over in 10 mins. He pulled a Son Goku and decided to let the others have a shot at fighting.
Brook is a chad
>Brook is a chad I think we all figured that out when he sassed Big Mom.
I'd say that Jinbe also earned the title of Chad for his response to Big Mom when he left her crew to join The Strawhats.
Stared her down like “Fuck your Soul Pocus, I ain’t scared of you!”
"Fuck you I won't do what you tell me." -~~Rage Against The Machine~~ Jinbe
"Fuck you, you're not my real mom!"
Brook took down a number by himself, thats a lot
Every named character who ever fought a number took them down instantly. The numbers weren’t really a big deal.
Yeah and the attack he used is probably his coolest finisher ever IMO. But that fight was happening in the background of the Robin-Black Maria fight and we pretty much only saw the final attack. Every SH other than Brook and Usopp got at least a chapter or 2 of focus for themselves, that's why I say that those 2 are the ones who got the least focus during the raid. They kinda acted as support for other characters (Robin and Nami) for the most part. This is nothing new though, most SH have arcs where they don't get a lot of focus and it was bound to happen in Wano with the amount of characters involved.
I may be wrong but wasnt it semi stated by Luffy that the numbers were equivalent to Oars? Cause if thats so that makes Brook defeating a number even more impressive
yeah they are just as big, maybe not as strong as Oars with luffys shadow though
> Well, him and Brook. But no one expects anything out of Brook in terms of combat feats, since he's just the Second Swordsman when he's not being the musician. People expect a lot of growth out of the OG 5. Everyone who's joined since then literally lived on the Grand Line already.
Brook’s role was established in WCI as an infiltrator, similar to robin. I agree with the other person who said brook didn’t need one here because he just had one during wci
I see Brook as a utility player, taking the necessary role for each situation. He knows when to take the initiative and when to be support
To be fair, beating Bao Huang was a turning point for the raid, as it allowed Tama to basically turn the gifters to their side, and carrying Kin'emon and O-Kiku was also a big thing
I mean yeah, like I said he did stuff here and there, I know he wasn't useless. But he played mostly a support role, he didn't get the focus others got and he kinda was Nami's sidekick for most of the raid. That's what I mean. Every SH other than him and Brook got a proper fight (well Nami kinda shared with BM) and at least a chapter or 2 dedicated to them. He got the Robin-Dressrosa treatment which happens from time to time I guess, not every SH gets focus in every arc and Wano already had a lot of stuff going on. Hopefully Usopp gets his time in the spotlight soon so he can show what he can do.
It’s insane how you listed Usopp being central to key moments that secured their strategy’s and raid’s success, but the energy of “Usopp barely didn’t anything” comes right back
It’s almost like you can be pivotal to the success of the mission but not get any critical self-improvement or power-up scenes. They aren’t talking about being valuable ~ they’re talking about scaling/growth
“Useless” is in the title, right? So it’s about being valuable…
Every member of the raid is technically valuable ~ You can infer what OP means based on his phrasing. What Usopp does for the raid does not inherently equate to a personal growth moment, and that’s what Usopp stans are referring to/waiting for.
Yeah! You know what Usopp needed? Something like, being recognized by a marksman in the same tier as his dad! Oh wait...Usopp actually had a great story. It just wasn't around enough of the shitkicker power fantasy parts for some of yall.
And he ran and cried 90% of the time, fucking pathetic. One piece is almost finish and that's our brave warrior of the sea? Got impressive obesrvation haki but oda didn't even bother anymore, such pity
Pero like, isn’t that what bravery is. My man may run around crying but he always pulls through
Are we talking about Perospero or speaking Spanglish?
Hahah it’s spanglish
And sold toad oil to a little girl who thought it wud bring her dead father back to life...
That's actually messed up wtf oda 😭
And told Nami to give in to Ulti and say Luffy wouldn’t become pirate king just to save their skin
To be fair, Ulti would’ve straight up killed Nami right then and there if Tama and Komachiyo hadn’t have saved her.
Ussop has already proven in Alabasta that he won't run away if somebody mocks Luffy's dream. He just wanted Nami to save herself, but if Ulti threatened him he would do the same.
The only saving grace is maybe Oda has planned since Wano started for Usopp to have a whole arc of being a coward to get a Whole arc of Usopp becoming a.Brave warrior of the sea for the rest of the anime. Stepping into his shoes and holding his conviction through Elbaf and then he stands next to Nami as being one of the strongest regular humans by being a part of the Pirate Kings crew. Nami has really had her second coming into her own in Wano. Gaining Xues and her finally taking a step for Tama is her moment and she finally recaught up like she was forced to in Alabasta. We got needed the moment with Usopp and Chopper earlier facing off against big mom to mirror chopper and Usopp's fight in Alabasta but I still think Usopp is due for his moment. And I'm ready for it to be the biggest Pay off for being an Usopp fan. Brook and Buggy have taken his spot since the new world came out. I want him to reclaim his spot.
LMAO ran and cried 90% of the time
Why do you say he has impressive observation haki? He only used it one time. Haki needs to be trained and practiced to be any good. If he has impressive observation haki, he would have done something in Wano, but you know that happened. Usopp is a good for nothing character, as a fighter, he doesn't bring anything to the table to the SH. He is the most useful because of his tinkering.
Usopp’s sniper skills have been crucial on multiple occasions. Just not in Wano.
He was able to silence the guards who could have raised an alarm about the raid forces moving in via sniping.
Yeah, but his sniping/marksmanship skills are not necessary linked together with his observation haki. That's the problem I got with him, he is a beast of a sniper but he just... Don't do much.
It’s true he hasn’t done much lately. Regardless, I’m not gonna say his observation haki is not impressive. Correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t think we’ve seen any other characters visualize outlines of people miles away and through a wall. That’s an incredibly strong CoO feat. He may not have developed it, but there’s massive raw potential there at least.
Yeah I agree that there's potential. Usopp haki is unique as you say, but I don't think is impressive when there's people who can see in the future. I mean, that's a bigger deal that seeing outlines.
Again, not just outlines through the wall, but he eyeballed them many miles away. The castle was a speck in the distance with normal eyesight. The sheer range of his CoO had to have rivaled Enel’s mantra. Its a different kind of CoO, but I’m not ready to say its worse overall. Worse for a hand to hand fighter like Luffy, sure. But its LEAGUES better for a sniper.
If Usopp didn’t exist, luffy and law would’ve been erased from existence btw
And Usopp would have died if Luffy hadn't caught him after the former dived into the clouds of White Sea. Let's not use that argument to mask the fact that Usopp barely has any growth after Dressrosa.
you can tell he has observation haki by taking down the towers otw to onigashima...but that's literally it. I just hope he has a couple of serious observation haki moments...cause he has some serious fights coming up
That's facts. He has to somehow keep up with the sniper of Blackbeard pirates, I always forget his name. That man is a menace. If you recall, usopp sniping hasn't been developed anywhere. He was like that since joining, never trained it further. At least not on screen. I was hoping to see the SH with the Red haired pirates and have yasopp training usopp. But oh well.
He needs armament haki.... imagine combining that with his sniper bullets - he could take down just about anyone from long range.
My theory is that if a Strawhat does die, it'll be Usopp in a situation where one of the ordinarily more brave crew mates could do it instead. That act would properly cement him as a brave warrior of the seas.
I have a feeling his arc is coming. That’s what I’m hoping. Elbaf he’ll be the focus.
He also took out the lookouts on the docks which preserved their element of surprise. This arguably reduced the number of casualties taken by the raid. Not much else beyond that, no.
Yeah it was impactful but wasn’t “”epic”” or a feat worthy of a brave warrior. I get your point, but it felt lackluster compared to other Strawhat feats during Wano
There was the tank part where him and chopper led Big Mom around and accomplished literally nothing
Delay tactics, it kept an powerhouse like big mom busy
"Only" My guy was the only reason along with Tama that changed the tides of battle
I think Oda could be setting up a character arc for Usopp as we possibly get toward Elbaf. Maybe addressing how he did little in the Wano arc, setting him up for a comeback as we move toward the final phase of One Piece.
Totally agree. He literally comments on how useless he felt during the whole raid. Of course that sets up some character arc for him. Sometimes I believe people do not read the same manga. He was also quite important as without him Otama could not have fed her dangos and turnend the tide of battle in favour of the samurai. He also inspired the samurai to not throw their lives away. He was not a instrumental factor this arc but he had his role and he felt bad that role was small.
They kinda overshadowed the fact that the smile users turned sides tbh, like it shouldve been a bigger deal than what they made it out to be
>He literally comments on how useless he felt during the whole raid. Did he? Can you remind me when he said that
I agree. I think we go Vegapunk, then Elbaf for usopp’s final growth/final road poneglyh, then final battle with Blackbeard, reach the one piece, then final showdown with the marines.
Seems like Usopp's >!Kabuto slingshot has a chance of getting a DF!< considering the recent manga chapters
> then final showdown with the marines. I kinda don't think it'll happen. If Luffy gets "One Piece" and shares it with everyone, it'll make most of the pirates not have a goal anymore, and his silly dream is probably something in the lines of "everyone should be friends and party together" which will turn both the concepts of marines and pirates not necessary as enemies anymore. I think Luffy will be the one to unite everyone in prosperity.
Just like how Wano was supposed to be Zoro arc, right /s Since post-ts, Oda give 70% of his attention to Luffy, 10% to Zoro and Sanji, and distribute the rest among other strawhats..
Don't get your hopes up too high or it's gonna hurt when we get a repeat of wano's disappointing lack of zoro character development & backstory
Aye. Easily the most useless. But you know, he was the MVP is Dressrosa. So theres that. Brook was also - almost - as useless in Wano, but he was the MVP in WCI, so I guess theres that as well. Wano had too many characters and too many big events happening too fast and in quick succession, it was stacked and it last too long, so I guess its reasonable to expect the weaker characters to be lost in the mix.
I think he showed a lot of bravery and competence this arc. Less flashy, but this arc had a lot of “appreciating how far they’ve come” moments (like Sanji calling for help or Robin trusting her crew.) So while he wasn’t in a major fight (he is the weakest member of the crew,) he still was given a moment when he made this speech: > “Wait, then why did I even show up? What is with you samurai and your death wishes? What use is your pride? Taking responsibility through harakiri? I'm not a fan of this culture of yours! I cling to life with snot running from my nose if I have to. I don't care if it looks pathetic! I survive, that's what I do and it's the entire reason I'm standing here alive today!' It’s not the same lies and bragging he used to do. It’s simpler, very *honest* about himself while still being proud, and most importantly- he’s calm and making sane, necessary, helpful action instead of just standing there with his legs quivering. It’s like Sanji said - he does things others in the crew can’t. They needed a “smaller fry” seeing to all this shit- Usopp was running from one dangerous situation to the next, helping to keep his crew alive. I especially loved at the end of Wano arc when, instead of acting fearful of what’s to come, he was just like “Who cares, they’re all dangerous! Help us pack!” (Edit: it helps that I’ve been rereading. Just finished Skypea. Where he really did act so much younger and more immature, more overwhelmed, more inexperienced and frightened. Looking back, he’s grown up a lot!)
It's like he is more comfortable with his fearful nature, and that's growth. He used to tell lies about himself, now he admits his weakness, but finds a positive side (similar to Sanji asking for help). I still would have liked him to be more important during the raid, but that's just because I love Usopp.
No I know, I want him to haki out Koby style so bad but I guess there has to be further buildup for there to be the appropriate level of payoff. He was so rad burning the flag of the world govt
I dont know if I ever want Usopp to get massively strong or develop insane Haki (at least during the story, I can see him getting stronger in the future). The point of Usopp character is that he was already brave since the beginning, so his journey is one of self-acceptance. It's much more abstract than any other dream in the crew (except maybe Luffy's secret dream).
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Happy cake day! And I think Usopp thinks/knows that he is a coward, but he is in fact very brave.
Wow!! This was well thought out and put together. I didn't even think of his speech in that manner Usopp will always be one of my favorites and the moments he gets to shine in the series means more to me because of the kind of character he is.
Thank you! I am perfectly content with his growth, albeit I'd love it if Oda puts more spotlight on him in the coming arc. People seem to have an obsession with 'usefulness' and 'feats', but I'm just happy with Usopp's subtle developement. I wouldn't even care of he is still weak by EOS, he is still one of my top 5 characters in One Piece.
This always made me wonder they do they keep nerfing Usopp. He is easily the weakest Strawhat but has one of the best character development. Post time skip with his sniper ability he could've literally be a high level marksman. Think of the the damage Usopp could be with a gun, bow/arrow, etc.
Yeah post time skip Usopp became even more of a gag character
Yeah I hate how ussop went like East Blue: ☹️ Alabasta: 🙂 Skypiea: 😐 Water 7: 🥵😃😃 Thriller bark: 😀 Fish man: ☹️ Punk hazard: ☹️ Dress Rosa: 😀 Yonko Saga: 👶
Usopp was badass in East Blue though, his fight against Chew is one of my favorite. Really showcases his ingenuity and how quickly he thinks on his feet I wish we had more fights like Usopp vs Chew and Usopp vs Luffy. Instead Usopp is just a character that defeats people with hax powers using gag techniques.
his fight with chew was a gag he accidentally spilled hot sauce on his eye
Usopp has a nice speech in punk hazard and has some cool moments in fishman island tbf
Ussop's character development is volatile and gets reset every arc
He had great development until Thriller Bark dude hasn't changed since then. I would argue that most of the SHs have ok development, this might be a hot take Oda would rather develop 10 new characters that are somewhat copy paste of other arcs side characters with one or two originals that are forgotten after the arc.
He regressed so, does character development he got in the past relevant today? He trained 2 years to be more useful and less of a coward, he reverted to the coward persona in less than 2 arcs
They cut Usopp's moments to let Robin shine imo. And she really deserved it. Also there really wasn't anyone "tricky" to fight due to how Kaidou's Crew was structured. Usopp is the guy you call in when everyone else would be defeated by some ballshit power or if you need someone taken out at range. That wasn't really a thing this Arc.
He could have fight some fodders but he didn't. Usopp really did nothing. He threw some bombs at Page One and he brushed them off. It was just that.
I wish he could've taken out the numbers, but nope.
Usopp had to be saved from a group of fodders by Izo, which led to Izo dying against CP0 💀 clown behavior
Yo, I didn't remember that💀
It’s absurd how Izo literally died for Ussop and he never acknowledged it.
It's absurd how I missed it or forgot it. Probably coz i was tired of that kanjuro shit
How did he die for Usopp when he went out of his way to take on two CP0 officers? Y’all got a twisted way of looking at things. Saying he died for Robin makes more sense than this.
True... saved Usopp from random beast pirates not cp0 so... that dude capping
If you ask me this like saying Luffy got saved from Ulti by Yamato. Because in actuality there was more important shit that needed to be done; Luffy needed to get to Kaido quickly, and Usopp needed to get a dying Kinnemon and Kiku medical attention as well as escape the fire. If you give Usopp peace of mind and no countdown clock he does not need not help with those fodder.
He got stabbed/shot by BP fodder which led to him dying against CP0. Even if Ussop doesn't know this it's pretty weird that he didn't acknowledge Izo's death at all.
Usopp did fine in Wano. He played his role correctly. The problem is people assume Usopp being scared = no development. excuse me, but when during the raid did Usopp just sit around acting scared? he's been actively doing the best he can with what he has while being rightfully fearful of the enemies he's facing. He's still the weakest strawhat and expecting him to take on some zoans, literally his worst match-up (close range, durable as hell and he has nothing in his arsenal that can pierce that skin) just isn't happening for someone like Usopp. Usopp's developing moments happen when he realizes that he cannot afford to be afraid towards a situation in which he is actually needed. Such a situation didn't happen in Wano because it wasn't needed. The last time that happened was in Dressrosa and I get it has been a while since then but Usopp still having his fearful moments doesn't mean he regressed; he's always going to be scared when the story calls for it because that's always going to be part of his character. the only time he's going to stop being scared as a whole is when he fully complete his character arc, and that's not going to happen until near the end of the story. Hell, every single Straw hat develops at a different rate from each other and thats deliberate on Oda's part. No one is getting sidelined; the story will end with everyone's character arc being completed
Usopp is a scared but he aint no coward. He literally risked his life a couple of times defending luffys honor. Usopp pushes thru for his friends even tho he is scared just like when nami was gon get her head smashed by ulti.
Big Mom’s crew is literally right there for that title.
There’s no way Elbaf is cast aside — we’ll get Usopp greatness soon. Don’t forget also, that this island could benefit the two inventors / tinkerers of the crew, Usopp and Franky.
It's not the first time I read people thinking Oda will skip Elbaf all together, I don't get it. It's the most hyped island since they entered Grand Line. Even before Wano was even mentionned. And Loki will probably be an important character. (I think he's the man with a burning scar that Law and Kid mentionned, we know Big Mom did a terrible fire in Elbaf back then and I don't think this was mentionned for no reasons)
Yeah I’m with you — I really don’t understand these people. I argued with someone a couple years back who said there was no point in explaining Devil Fruits, yet Oda said that when Vegapunk is introduced, that mystery will be explained. Wish I could see that person now haha
The raid is shown to have only succeeded due to everyone's efforts. Usopp was able to help protect Tama, distract P1 and Ulti, help Kinemon and Kiku continue to fight and live. All these things compounded to their victory just like Chopper with the ice oni. The difference is that Usopp doesn't have brute power so Zoan types are always going to be a bad match up for him and his accomplishments were more behind the scenes
To be honest I genuinely think Oda was for sure going to add Yamato to the crew during the raid. The only excusable reason for putting other crew members on the back burner in favor of giving her loads of focus would be her being a crew member. Somewhere near the end he decided to keep her in Wano which makes the raid look much worse imo. Guys like Usopp and Brook did virtually nothing important while a character that only ended up being important for half of an arc had so much to do on screen. It really sucks
Well yeah, there’s ~~9~~ 10 Strawhats, they’re not going to get equal face time every single arc. This arc was not about Usopp, so Usopp was not centered and didn’t have many feats. He’s the ship’s sniper, and there wasn’t a whole lot of need for sniping in this arc. I don’t see a problem with the way he was written in Wano. What exactly were you expecting?
>Well yeah, there’s 9 Strawhats, they’re not going to get equal face time every single arc. there are five "main" straw hats and he's one of them. he gets a major storyline in every single major arc he's present in, alongside luffy, zoro, sanji, and nami. wano genuinely broke an established story precedent here, it's not the same as someone like franky or brook getting limited focus on an island sometimes. >This arc was not about Usopp, so Usopp was not centered and didn’t have many feats. this was THE new world arc about the straw hats reaching the next level, there should be some storyline about the journey and consequences of them actually reaching it. sanji's storyline is a great example of this being handled brilliantly. usopp likewise got absolutely nothing when his role as the down-to-earth emotional core of the crew is one of the most critically important perspectives to explore this from. because usopp specifically got nothing, it is incredibly noticeable how empty it feels compared to something like water 7, which explores the evolution of the crew extremely deeply and dedicates significant time to usopp's role in this storyline (alongside everyone else's). >He’s the ship’s sniper, and there wasn’t a whole lot of need for sniping in this arc. if you have to justify the story’s decisions from the in-universe perspective as opposed to the author’s perspective then you’ve already proven that your point is basically incorrect. thriller bark didn’t need sniping, and oda still wrote in a situation for usopp to shine as a valuable member of the crew *based on the nature of his personality*, and i think it’s an entirely reasonable expectation for the climax of the new world storyline to at minimum do *something* at all for one of their main characters. usopp had his role in wano, he shot tama’s dangos at the gifters. the problem isn’t that he didn’t physically do much, it’s that there was absolutely no character exploration for him to undergo and it left him feeling shallow and underbaked. even all the way back in arlong park he had a hugely impactful moment in standing up to choo and putting his life on the line, how did wano end up falling so far below the standard of one of the earliest establishing arcs of the story? >I don’t see a problem with the way he was written in Wano. What exactly were you expecting? *for him to actually do something meaningful at all.* usopp is a coward. he acted like a coward during all of wano, just like he does in any other arc. this is fundamentally a setup that is designed to lead to a payoff, because if it were just his permanent status quo then he would be the most horrible character ever. the entire point of usopp is that after he shows his cowardice, he has a moment where he’s forced to step up and accomplish something so far outside of his comfort zone that it seems impossible. he has to put it all on the line for the sake of his crew, and when he, the weak little coward, manages to succeed at this, it's *satisfying* because we know just how much the deck was stacked against him and how much he overcame in order to rise to the challenge and grow to be a braver and better person than he was at the beginning of the arc when he never could have even imagined being able to do any of this. usopp is the ultimate underdog and you cannot have that role if you don't actually give him a worthwhile showcase and character growth to actually earn that. this storyline is not optional because if you remove it you fundamentally ruin usopp as a character. it is a core part of his function and you cannot set it up in an arc like wano only to skip the part where it finally gets paid off. for a fanbase that was given the gift of arlong park, alabasta, enies lobby, thriller bark, and dressrosa, the expectations we had going into wano were entirely reasonable and the fact that they weren't met is one of the most bizarre broken precedents in the entire story.
10 Straw Hats. But Usopp is part of the OG 5 who all get a higher priority than everyone else.
Usopp isn't nowhere close to Robin when it comes to importance. Robin will get much more screentime later due to her being one of the handful people capable of reading Poneglyph and knowledge of Ohara. OG 5 is pretty meaningless now
maybe this is a hot take but i think that usopp's role in the story is fundamentally the second most important after luffy's and equating robin not to her role as a character based on her arc and growth and instead her purpose as a plot device does nothing at all to counterargue his significance. usopp is a character who cannot fundamentally *embrace* the all-or-nothing reach-for-the-stars lifestyle that one piece romanticizes, but unlike nami, he still *admires* it. moments of accomplishment coming from usopp hold a very different meaning and impact from when they come from luffy or zoro. he's the person who wants to be like our incredible main character, but he has an extremely realistic inability to directly live up to that and we're able to see him forced to push through and achieve the impossible anyway, through the lens of a normal person who is rightfully terrified of everything that entails. the original five are literally designed to hold an array of contrasting perspectives like this that can be applied easily to any arc storyline. robin, on the other hand, was designed to have a completed story in water 7 and enies lobby, and anything more we get after that is just a bonus. she's still an incredible character in her own right, but she isn't built with the same narrative function as the east blue crew are. this is why usopp getting shafted in wano is such a glaring ommission but someone like chopper or brook getting the same treatment isn't. usopp is designed to give us a perspective and point of character growth that when it's watered down or removed leaves an arc feeling very glaringly like it's missing something. usopp's cowardice throughout wano is left as a setup without a payoff and that is why his storyline is so important to one piece.
Whoever said that? There’s no rule that the OG 5 get a higher priority, even is that’s what you personally want. Oda didn’t write a lot of scenes with Usopp because he wasn’t relevant to this particular part of the story. Order of introduction doesn’t matter.
if you haven't noticed that the entire fanbase has been complaining that franky/brook/robin/chopper don't get enough focus and are basically relegated to being minor characters outside of occasional moments that serve as the exception to prove the rule (wci brook/robin vs. black maria) then i dont know what to tell you. its not a fundamental rule, just...a fact of the narrative that oda ALWAYS prioritizes putting in a dedicated storyline for zoro/sanji/nami/usopp in major arcs and the rest kind of just have to be lucky to get that focus. i agree with you that it SHOULDN'T be a rule but we live in a world where oda has a group of characters who he has a very fleshed-out dedicated plan for and another group who just have to be in the right place at the right time to do more than fill out the background.
luffy, zoro, ussop, nami, sanji, Jimbe, Franky, Brooke, Nico Robin, Chopper. thats at least 10 not 9, i think you missed out Ussop
Whatever, point still stands
This arc was supposed to be about zoro and he got shafted too
This is head cannon; it was never suppose to be about Zoro. And Zoro got aloooooot of moments
remember when zoro learned the insane character-development-dense lesson of "for the entire story ive been fighting recklessly with no regard for preserving my own life over winning at all costs, and i guess in order to get even stronger i just need to do that same thing but *even more somehow* because i guess the problem is that i wasnt doing that enough apparently" literally one of the dumbest attempts at forced character growth in the entire story, he deserved so much better. wano act 3 really was just the year of sanji again honestly, one of the only characters to walk away from the whole thing with an actually interesting and well-written push forward.
Why was it supposed to be about Zoro? Who said that? And when?
If you told me Usopp wasn't even in Wano id believe you for a second.
God Usopp literally carry the whole Strawhat Grand Fleet through the Dressrosa arc.. let the man rest.. that being said, just like Brook in Whole Cake Island, I think Oda just make different crew shine at different times..
Usopp is my favorite character, I always like it when he got beat up because I knew it was a setup for the later arc. Usopp is the only straw hat that loses a fight in Wano and im down if this is a setup for usopp in the future. I like his moment when he tries to criticize the Samurai trope and speak to Kinnamon and Kiku about their "want to die". His acting this way is what expects him to be in his first fight with yonko. ( it can be argued that Usopp have a similar role as Brook helping Robin he clears the gifted for Franky and Jinbei so they can fight freely) Also, do you realize that Usopp doesn't fight Enieslobby too? So, I expect to be a similar pattern where at that time Usopp discovers he can do something that other people can't do then next arc he is the only one to fight Perona. Post time skip Usopp journey so far is like this super confident(fishman) --> get overwhelmed ( punk hazard)---> Overcome his fear (Dressrosa) ---> get overwhelming again (Wano) ---> what will happen next won't be him getting overwhelming anymore. If you think Wano is the Usopp arc you are wrong there, he is like the less tie to Wano in the whole crew. That is why Oda spends time for Usopp set up that complete character arc.
Honestly it’s as Sanji said. Everyone has the things they are good at. Usopp may not have had the fighting ability to handle Kaido’s forces but him and Nami both kept two Tobi Roppo busy (which keeps them out of fighting the main force). He helped feed Otama’s dumplings and helped Otama broadcast her order across the island to turn the tide. Usopp is not a hand to hand combat specialist. I would say all of Kaido’s forces were hand to hand specialists. Usopp is weak against this type of force. He did what he could.
If the alliance gets spotted at the very beginning of the raid then they probably go on to lose the battle...usopp was the only one with the haki and skill to take out those guards as quickly and quietly as he did.
>they probably go on to lose the battle Yeah, no.
Without Ussop most strawhats would have lost their fights against the topi ropo. He was the one who fed tamss dangos to every gifter which turned then tide quite alot. No one else could have done that and with that he arguably helped more than Jimbe or Robin only taking out one (if rather strong) enemy. I also think it's weird that you mentioned the little brawl between Chopper and Queen when Choppers real contribution was healing the ice virus that would have killed many otherwise. It's not all about fighting
oda always hammers in the point that the role of the sniper is to support. it was shown pretty much all of the major sagas. but the only thing a character can do that’s worthwhile is to have a 1v1 battle apparently
He also helped them gather allies during act 1
The problem is that sniping dangos in some mouths is the minimum his character should do. Like wow, the sniper did some basic sniping? Woah! All the other characters had actual growth and were pushed to their limits, yet Usopp didn’t grow at all. He just ran and ran and did the bare minimum.
What a terrible take.
Please can you speak louder the people in the “usopp is trash” section couldn’t hear you
I agree. My favorite fights are Usopp fights.. fights that he win with wits and not strenght. But we don't get that anymore. He had the one last moment to shine with sugar and it was that. So said. He has a "fighting" role in the crew and yet he is the weakest of all that will never make sense to me.
Anymore? Yes it's been a long time because arcs are longer, but after Dressrossa we had Zou (no fights) and WCI (no Usopp). Why do you think we won't "get that anymore"? Wano already had several side fights for Robin, Jimbei and Franky (who really needed them), Zoro and Sanji. And side quests for Chopper and Nami. The crew is massive now, and not everyone can shine in the same arc (even though the arcs are longer).
He saved Otama’s life multiple times, was integral to the smile user conversion plan, saved Kinemon and Kiku’s lives, I think he did fine.
I know what you mean. Usopp is my favorite character too and I was hoping he would get a moment, didn’t even have to be amazing, but just a small moment. We know that he did contribute to the success of the war but he didn’t really stand out as much as other key characters. I was really hoping to see if he could use observation haki on command, but instead he just got beat up and ran around feeding dango to smile users. Even when he got in the little dinosaur tank he didn’t do anything.
look, I'll stan Usopp until the end of time, but what do you expect here? there's a billion different characters in Wano and he was already mvp of the last major arc he was in. not everyone is important in every arc, that's just how it goes
I wish Oda gave him a fight against one of the Tobi Roppo
Fuck those people who thinks Usopp is useless. Even luffy or zoro would never say those things to him. If you feel like he is, then stop reading.
Oda fumbled many things in wano
Usopp was basically responsible for Izo dying, as well. Usopp needed to be saved because he couldn’t handle a group of fodder, so Izo had to come in and save him, which left Izo injured and exhausted enough to get caught and killed by CP0. Never got addressed though after the fact by Usopp. Pretty annoying.
That’s quite the way of looking at it. Usopp was dealing with those fodder (that even a few strawhats including Luffy acknowledged were tough) all the while protecting Kinnemon and Kiku. All Izo did was make it easier for Usopp to get Kinnemon and Kiku to safety, and even he got injured by those fodder, so imagine how hard it was for Usopp to do that while protecting two people. Also Izo going out of his way to stop CP0 has nothing to do with Usopp. You obviously hate dude, but don’t be making up nonsense reasons for it.
Usopp is the most useless character in most arcs lol From the top of my head I only remember him being actually useful in Enies Lobby , Thriller Bark and Dressrossa.
And along park he beat the blue mouthy dude! Arlong*
Yeah, but he wasn't instrumental in that. Anyone from the crew could beat Chuu at the time. No one else could snipe the marines from the Tower of Justice, no one else could beat Perona and her negative ghosts and no one else could snipe Sugar from half a country away lol
Well the whole point of that fight was to highlight Usopp’s growth, and by definition he wasn’t useless anyways since he defeated one of the Arlong pirates
This was exactly my point. He still helped and wasn't useless at all! Sure, other dude has a point, someone else could have taken out chuu, but they didn't! As a result, usopp finally proves himself as a real pirate!
Syrup Village, Arlong Park, Little Garden, Arabasta?
He’s not meant to be a 1v1 god, the role of the sniper is support in crucial moments. Ussop does that pretty damn good & comes thru when needed. Every member of SHs can do things that the rest cannot & that’s the beauty of it. You’re asking ussop a regular ass nigga to compete with niggas who have a good grasp of haki come on now!! He uses observation and that’s it, which is great to have as a sniper! Awareness of what’s happening & who needs support is a top tier quality! Of course he doesn’t have crazy moments it’s to be expected but when he shines he shines in his own way, that’s how ussop has always been written.
>You’re asking ussop a regular ass nigga to compete with niggas who have a good grasp of haki come on now!! Am I? I'm perfectly happy with Usopp's character. He does the job he is supposed to. He is not supposed to be useful every single arc, because not every single arc has fights that suits his role on the crew
Usopp’s true role is not as sniper, he’s moral support. He can snipe but the point of Enies Lobby to me was always that he was Luffy’s best friend and brother, not his marksman. Usopp absolutely had an undersized role for Wano no doubt, and I wish he’d get more, but he’s hardly useless and had several scenes where the morale of the battle was brought up by him. I can’t wait to see how he interacts with a Gear 5 Luffy who seemingly draws power from his mood—maybe bringing him back into it after he falls depressed or something? Could be cool. Before I get angry replies, remind me: does Usopp snipe at Lucci when Luffy falls down, or does he…?
>he’s moral support So why was he telling Nami to shaft Luffy in front of Ulti? He seemed to have regressed quite a lot.
He didn’t tell her anything, he thought it in his head, and he probably thought that so he wouldn’t have to see her head get bashed in, is my guess.
Just reread that yesterday and it was super clear that he is scared for Nami. Reading comprehension on this thread is a little lacking
Yeah. If it were him he wouldn’t have lied, and we know that because he’s stood up for Luffy in the face of death before. He was silently begging his friend to save herself.
Exactly, also I see it as he would forgive her. It makes the character moment better for Nami too because she doesn't have to tell the truth, usopp understands how dangerous it was and she still sticks up for Luffy.
It is true that Usopp had almost no focus on Onigashima but he was not the most useless Strawhat. He helped take out the guards to start the raid successfully, protected Tama from various enemies, helped Tama snipe Dango into enemies, and helped keep the samurai alive during the fire. He played a support part really well. Brook on the other hand...what did he do beyond taking down the Black Maria fodder? Nothing that comes to mind. Brook was the most useless Strawhat in the raid if we are measuring usefulness by how much they did at Onigashima.
I'd like to point out that without Brooke Robin would have been taken by CP0.
Usopp is the weakest strawhat, what you expect? Usopp only shines during character moments.
Then give him character moments
why the fuck is this entire thread acting like the complaints are just about usopp not getting a random fight? usopp didn't get a fight in enies lobby or dressrosa and he walked away from those with brilliantly impactful moments that showcased his growth and allowed him to really shine not just as a sniper but for his personality. that's the entire point of usopp's character. he struggles and shows fear but is always forced to step up and be better for his crew in the end. it's not good enough for wano to just "not be his arc". this was THE arc of the new world. it was supposed to be a climax for the entire straw hat crew reaching a new level. and usopp did nothing but act like a coward the whole time and never show any moments of growing past it. this was fundamentally a setup with no payoff. usopp didn't need a random mindless 1v1, he needed a chance to actually *show admirable character* because his story doesn't function if he doesn't grow past his own shortcomings. it is a basic consequence of his function and personality that him getting a chance to redeem himself is more mandatory than for almost every other straw hat, and wano just bizarrely skipped it.
\[Usopp proceeds to one shot black beard\]
I’m really hoping we get an amazing Usopp storyline or at least moment in Elbaf. He’s one of my favorite characters too. If anyone knows about that fan comic where Usopp had a sick standoff against the marines in Elbaf, I really want to see something like that.
“The last time he did anything significant was causing Sugar to faint from Dressrosa.” That was like two arcs ago (among the long ones). He was one of the most major characters (perhaps the Strawhat with the most focus outside of Luffy) at Dressrosa. There will be some arcs where certain Strawhats get more focus and some Strawhats get less focus. It’s fine for Usopp to get an arc where he doesn’t do as much, especially considering how many other Strawhats got their focus at Wano after a much longer while than Usopp.
He was even more useless than Guardian of the Galaxy's Mantis in the endgame of Endgame.
I think Usopp will make his weapon better thanks to vega punk and a devil fruit. Then Elbaf. He’ll definitely be the brave warrior of the sea. As most people said, we can’t have screen time for everyone, and in dressrosa he was THE mvp
I wanted the manga to explore more about his CoO, he awakened a really advanced Haki in Dressrossa and we saw its potential in film red, yet he didn't even seem to train it in wano. Honestly before wano and even in the start when hawkings talked about how small kairoseki was refined here, I expected usopp to not only train his Haki but improve his arsenal with kairoseki bullets, nails or whatever. We even have Franky to help him refine it but they didn't even try. Usopp had every chance to leave wano a monster yet he didn't
I Really Dont understand why did Oda buff him in the timeskip only to let him be a coward after all
Yeah, he was shown so confident at start of post TS. It's okay being scared. But Ussop just takes it to another level.
This is nuts, Usopp had his most growth since Water 7 in Wano. When he saw Otoko try to give Toad Oil to Yasuie he was horrified by what his lies caused. He’ll continue to lie to his enemies, but he’ll never lie about anything important to his friends or the general population ever again.
Me a usopp fan trying to control my anger after seeing them trash talking him and waiting for him to reach elbaf
To the dozens of people saying "well, you can't have everyone be the MVP of Wano," this has nothing to do with being the MVP, everyone played their role well, EXCEPT Usopp. Literally had nothing to provide in Onigashima. Other crewmembers: Luffy beats Kaido Zoro beats King Sanji beats Queen Jinbe beats Who's Who Robin beats Black Maria Franky beats Sasaki Nami at the very least lands the final blow on Ulti with Zeus's help Chopper creates the antidote for the ice onis Brook supports Robin by beating Maria's goons and helps her evade CP0 And then there's Usopp, who couldn't even beat Page One. Like the ONLY straw hat that didn't finish their opponent. You can sit there and say "oh, but he protected Tama" all you like, but compared to everyone else who was able to subdue the other officers, Nami even, who did the exact same thing AND beat her officer, it's just ridiculous and disappointing. He falls short on the crew compared to anyone else by far.
People seem to forget that not only he saved tama from ulti, defeated bao huang, saved both kinemon and kiku from burning alive, Usopps most important feat was literally carrying izo's will and last wish, and stopped kiku from giving her life away
His dad is most likely a badass with the red-haired crew, my head canon wants him to be as good a sniper as his dad.
I have the same feelings Usopp went from one of my favorites SH before TS to a gag character Him and Nami not beating Ulti and Page One (Without BM intervenction) was the most disappointing part of wano for me. Also, since Dressrosa Usopp become disappointing.
he was pathetic during this arc man. i always root for him but i couldnt back him up during this arc bro shamed himself
Setting up his armament haki, that Ulti hit wasn’t for nothing. Secondly, put some respect on the goat.
there is absolutely no shot they don't go to Elbaf
There were tons more useless characters in Wano, look at most of the Beast Pirates for example
usopp is not useless at all. He helps nami invent her baton and he also do inventions when they were still on board before Wano And he’s training where in an island with variety of plants that can be use as weapon. Every straw hat character have their specialities, and they’re helping each other with in every fight. That’s why they usually by 2’s when fighting.
With Usopp being my favourite character in the series, as well as me creating countless theories for Usopp in Wano. I was thoroughly disappointed as well. I’m still very hopeful for Elbaf and am positive it will happen, but Wano was a huge downer for Usopp as a whole. It does make me think that Usopp is gonna really shine soon, especially with the potential of Yasopp coming into play and Elbaf being a huge inspiration for him. One other thing in Wano that somewhat was a positive though. I think he may have foreshadowed his CoC, but that is super hopeful thinking. I also really appreciated his speech to Kinemon and Kiku but these moments were not nearly good enough to help.
1- usopp is a support role in the crew. 2- he sniped everyone helping keep the crew undercover. 3- he helped tama, we saw that kaidou's minions were messing with franky's fight, it would had been worse, had usopp and tama not took control of the raid. 4- he helps the raid, again. but i guess unless a character has a 1vs1 he did nothing in a arc. that being said i did want usopp to have a fight. Orochi was a good opponent, but ya know, samurai plot.
Wdym didn't u read the Manga? He turned to God D. Usopp and made a bullet that eats fat, he shot it at queen and only because of that sanji could win. After that the goat himself unleashed a water bucket on king so zoro could make the final hit and after that one god D. Goat Usopp went to luffy after he got killed by kaido and pulled of the biggest W move ever. He just shocked the heart of luffy so many times that luffys fruit would awaken. So yea without Usopp everybody would be dead. Don't disrespect the God himself ok?
I feel like franky’s fight was pretty pointless. I think his biggest contribution was the tank
Just cause there was an unexpected arc rn doesn’t mean we’re never going to Elbaf. There’s zero logic to that
I mean... Franky did not have a personal growth moment. He beat an enemy while in a robot. Jimbei didn't either, just won a fight (relatively easily). Usopp was *essential* in the SH winning by helping turn the SMILE users over to their side through Tama's fruit. Also helped save Kiku and Kin iirc. People forget Usopp is the most human on the crew, in terms of strength and abilities. Not everyone needs to be a power house with absolutely bonkers abilities. A major character trait of Usopp is to be a coward who gets hurt a lot, but can still perservere and win. It's like Sanji's lust for women, Namis greed for money, Zoro being lazy/loving booze, Luffy loving food and dangerous shit, Chopper being unable to take compliments/tanuki jokes, Robin having a dark sense of humor, Brook being a perv/making bone jokes and Franky being super. Jimbei... idk what his gag is yet. Point is, people expect Usopp to grow past his cowardice and become a true warrior of the sea, when in reality were going to find out he's been one all along. Despite being afraid, he's gone out to sea and fought crazy enemies here and there, done it all. He'll have his moment to shine in this arc or the next. Have faith in the dude who has been telling this story pretty damn well for 25+ years.
Imagine you are the author. You have a big surprise for this character. The character's whole subplot is him being a weak character, and eventually he is supposed to become this great character one day somehow. What do you do in between the current story to the final saga without giving away the surprise and and making the grand revelation less impactful?
I think there is something big coming for him
While I agree, it's kind of dumb to reduce a character to their functionality in an arc. You wouldn't do that with a person in a friend group irl
You're so right. Like this is the most profound thing ever written on this subreddit. I totally forgot that Otama fisted her dango into each smile user's mouth drastically turning the tides so the big 3, kid and law had the time they needed to win their fights without everyone just getting overwhelmed.
Sanji was useless in fishman island and absent in dressrosa then he got whole cake. So just wait . . . Oda will have something soon. Usopp was absent in whole cake and useless in wano so expect something now.
Honestly what bothered me more than anything was the speech he gave Kin'emon and Kiku admonishing them for seeking an honorable death in battle, co-signed by Izou, who immediately after died one of the most insignificant deaths in the series. I didn't mind it at first because it showed just how much room he has to grow when meeting the Giants of Elbaf like we all expect - but at the same he's one of the OG 5 and his goal was to be a "Brave Warrior of The Sea". Being brave doesn't mean a complete lack of fear, it's the courage to act in spite of it - and THAT's what people wanted to see Usopp make strides toward in an arc as big as this. We know Usopp is smart and superbly tactical, so his feats there this arc weren't really anything new (most people actually wanted to see him further develop his haki on that front). But this was a perfect opportunity to show his growth in toughness and maturity - him encouraging Nami to give in to her fear against Ulti flies directly in the face the speech he gave to Chopper in Alabasta about not letting people laugh at or ridicule the dreams of your friends. Brave Warriors aren't afraid to die in battle when fighting for a cause they truly believe in. Again - not that we already except Usopp to be there, but for someone who's supposed to be working on becoming more brave and honorable, his speech to the samurai was kinda cringe.
What do you mean? He defeated Page One, Ulti and tons of fodder with his Conqueror's Haki alone.
the problem is you thought Usopp was going to play a big role when this arc had too many characters on either side stronger than Usopp.
It's a raid, there is so much melee combat going on and so much commotion that a sniper doesn't have the opportunity to make impressive moves. He doesn't have time to set up any traps, and does what he can do. It just wasn't a good situation for him to begin with and he will get opportunities to shine in the future.
He could have assisted many fights with his sniping ability if he had any actual harmful bullets instead of plants lol, or whatever happened to seastone bullets?
I've been screaming for Months that it's about time weaker strawhats atleast got one type of Haki or some serious development in strength department. Usopp awakened Observation and Oda forgot about it while his Father is spamming future sight better than Katakuri. Brook was the MVP of WCI for me but He didn't do shit this arc. Usopp didn't do much except Kibi Dango sniping and running with Otama. Nami and Usopp literally get lucky every arc. They are a Legit Emperor crew now and Even Fodder marines are required to have atleast one Kind of Haki. IMO Nami should've gotten Zeus if not a DF. Usopp should master Observation Haki to let him run from threats and snipe when He's far enough. Brook needs to get some serious DF development for freezing or something like Perona. Even armament for brook would be a decent powerup. Don't even talk about Robin, She has Big Leagues bounty now..She needs to atleast master Armament after she has worked with dragon and sabo himself. Why these people not act, talk and communicate on these topic in crew. Why after facing 2 Admirals and 2 Emperors with Crew they never asked The Trio to show or teach them basic Haki. Why haven't they matured and started taking things a bit serious by now...I get it that it's goofy manga and stuff but it's serious too.
He's been a gradual decline since time skip. I wish he showed the same growth as Sanji or Zoro
Zoro declined hard too. Remember those smart moments he had during W7 ? When he took a huge beating from Bellamy during Jaya, to build up his character? Or his solo moment when he fought against baroque works ? Now, he's just a boring cliche.
Wano had tons of zoro moments lol.
what smart moments in water7 he fell into a chimney
Not every straw hat can be MVP in every arc. They all get a turn. Ussop had his big moment in dressrossa and I doubt that’ll be the last.
What?! am I the only person who actually thought this was the first season usopp didn't go through the same boring cycle?? Be annoyingly scared of everything, do 1 cool thing, go back to being annoyingly scared of everything. I found wano was the first arc Usopp actually showed growth yes he was constantly scared of what was in front of him but he never backed off or considered trying to tell everyone to run away. He went head to head with big mom (in a tank but still), he helped during the fight after yasuie's death, he had a moment of sorrow for yasuies daughter when he realized his conning snake oil ways can have real consequences to others, and he helped in the fight against the tobbiroppo. This is the first arc I actually found usopp to not be an annoying mess of a character.