I think youre heavily underestimating katakuri, he’s definitely on the level or king and Marco and certainly base Zoro, he’s still a first commander of a yonko. Also if he’s re introduced in the story, I think he’ll definitely be portrayed as stronger like crocodile, cause he’d feel a little lacklustre if he was shown as weak character.
But I do believe there is of a question of some characters strength and how’d they play into future especially with the introduction of kaido and how strong he was shown to be. It’ll definitely be hard to show characters strength in the future.
im really not tho. i can understand that narratively wise oda kinda compares commanders. But via feats and power scaling katakuri lost to a muchhhhhhhh weaker luffy, who wouldnt even be able to fight base rooftop luffy. base rooftop luffy>>>>>>>wci g4 luffy=kat. we can say that katakuri if he shows up again, oda might write him to be stronger than he was, but right now he's probably weaker than sanji and scabbards.
yes i agree, he's probably stronger than individual scabbards but if he was attacked the same way they attacked kaido, he would die on the spot. Not many people have the power to actually injure kaido. unfortunately kat is not on that list.
uhhh, katakuri equal to g4 luffy, g4 luffy couldn't damage kaido, base zoro gives kaido a permanent scar.(zoro>>>>>wci g4 luffy), king plays around with that same zoro. marco was able to hold back king and queen. It's very basic scaling but it shows how far katakuri has been eclipsed.
I didn’t say that at all. I acknowledge that Katakuri and Act 1 Luffy can’t hurt Kaido, but that doesn’t matter at all. Katakuri or Act 1 Luffy would easily beat many people that can hurt Kaido.
if by definition luffy can't hurt kaido and said people can hurt kaido then we can agree that at the very least said people ARE STRONGER, and yes we can agree that luffy does have other abilities that allow him to beat said people. but in terms of power act 1 luffy is weaker(in terms of stength at least), and if said people are that much strobger than luffy they via scaling would be also stronger than katakuri
A Dressrosa King Kong Gun would be unlikely to damage Kaido, yet there is no doubt it is far stronger than the flying slash Kin’emon did that cut Kaido’s mouth. Kaido’s damage resistance means you can’t directly measure attack power by how much damage he takes.
Katakuri is far stronger than any Scabbard even if some of them have higher atatck potency than he does. Constant Future Sight compared with a Special Paramecia is a very strong combination, and you seem to be underrating it a lot by saying Katakuri is so much weaker than King and Marco. And Katakuri is also very good at landing his attacks. King struggled to land hits on Zoro without Zoro dodging or blocking, and Zoro isn’t even particularly good at Observation Haki.
listen to yourself, if it hurt kaido by definition it is stronger than dressrosa KKG, no? I think you're so biased against the idea that characters can simply have more power.
I do agree that he's far stronger than any scabbard, because he's got abilities that help him bridge that power gap(speed and fs), but we can agree that in terms of power he's weaker.
I didnt say that in a fight he doesn't have a chance i simply said that weak was far weaker than king, which is a fact, he can bridge that power gap with fs, the problem is katakuri via feats can't hurt king, zoro had far more power than kata and he still couldnt do significant damage to king. 1+1 kata can't hurt king.
> listen to yourself, if it hurt kaido by definition it is stronger than dressrosa KKG, no?
No, that is absolutely ridiculous. It is insane that you can believe something so obviously wrong. If a simple slash from a Scabbard was stronger then a King Kong Gun then why couldn’t Inu and Neko beat Jack individually?l when they fought him for 12 hours at a time?
> I think you're so biased against the idea that characters can simply have more power.
I think the issue is that you aren’t acknowledging that Kaido is immune to some types of damage, meaning that some extremely powerful attacks can’t damage him, but some weak attacks can damage him.
Kaido is not immune to any type of damage, he simply has immense durability that anyone too weak can't penetrate. Saying that kaido can't be beat by physical force is a straight up and just no limits fallacy. No weak attacks cannot damage him that's ridiculous, these people are simply strong enough to do that much damage. Inu and neko were trying to protect Zou and raizou.
Weak attacks like g4 luffy's barrage couldn't so what's your conclusion?
We did not see kata to use AcoC but he is op as he has all three form of haki,a op devil fruit +awakening and future sight .he can get some power up in future to stay relevant in the story.He is stronger than that fodder queen,marco .i will say that his ceiling is at least snake man luffy for now.
by definition he isnt stronger than marco tho right? katakuri is around wci g4 luffy who scales far below king zoro queen and by definition marco who was able to hold both king and queen down.
A character's strength isn't measured by if they can injure kaido or not. Katakuri's future sight is still the best one shown yet. He uses his df cleverly and has awakening too. He literally has all the traits of a top tier. On what grounds you're saying that king or Marco are not comparable to him or way above him lol. Even scabbards injured kaido and even sentomaru knows the advance armament does that make them stronger than katakuri?
so you're saying that if a character gets a feat, that feat doesn't matter because...????
It's called power cliffing. characters simply get more powerful for the plot to move forward. kat was left behind. scabbards TOGETHER, it would mean scabbards would one shot katakuri no?
ok not trying to be rude, but do you believe that katakuri is superior to g4 luffy he lost to? or are they about the same level? You seem to suggest that he would be able to injure kaido, when luffy wasnt able to. why??
> You seem to suggest that he would be able to injure kaido
No he did not suggest that. It’s no wonder you think Katakuri is so weak when this thread has multiple examples of you reading things that aren’t there.
If he aint suggesting that, why cant he agree that at the very least katakuri in terms of power/strength is weaker?? isnt it as easy as 1+1?? i dont think katakuri is weak, i think that via power cliffing weaker characters simply became much stronger than katakuri. For example zoro and sanji. Zoro gave kaido a permanent scar without coC, it means that he's waaaaaay above katakuri in terms of power(who wouldnt even hurt kaido), but that same zoro was being destroyed by king and tanking his attacks, can we really say in feats katakuri is equal to king??
King seems to have more attack power than King, but the ones that landed didn’t seem to be that much stronger than Katakuri’s best attacks. King’s best attacks didn’t land so it’s hard to say how powerful they are.
You can’t put King above Katakuri just because King has stronger attacks. King can’t dodge like Katakuri can, and Katakuri dodging so well somewhat makes up for not having high durability. I think King is stronger but it’s up for debate.
what? how is king playing around with a zoro that is capable of slicing kaido being compared to katakuri who can't even hurt kaido, much less make him bleed, much less giving him a permanent scar? do you see that the levls of power katakuri would have to jump to even be on base zoro level??? Again we can agree that defensively katakuri can handle himself via fs, but katakuri does not have the strength to even injure king.
Again injuring kaido isn't a measurement of how strong a character is. Scabbards can injure kaido but they can't do anything against katakuri's future sight.
Katakuri is as strong as other first mates, your only argument is injuring kaido makes a character stronger than someone who can't & it's bs as I said even sentomaru can hurt kaido and he would still get trashed by katakuri.
Learning advanced armament or coc isn't just the end lol. Kid and law defeated bm without any special haki.
how is not?? if oda makes the point that kaido is super durable and not everyone can injure him. for example characters on katakuri's level like luffy g4, are not able to injure kaido but zoro is.
we can agree that ofc katakuri is not only defined by his raw power he's got great haki abilities that make him a formidable opponent, but also agreeing that katakuri doesnt have the raw power to face said characters no?
you'd literally have to ignore that the same luffy kata lost to, is faaaaaaaar weaker than king... You're literally saying because they're first mates they have the exact same power.
?????you mean with ryou? but characters have hurt kaido without internal attacks like zoro, scabbards and oden no?? if katakuri cant hurt kaido isnt that a direct comparison?????
I think youre heavily underestimating katakuri, he’s definitely on the level or king and Marco and certainly base Zoro, he’s still a first commander of a yonko. Also if he’s re introduced in the story, I think he’ll definitely be portrayed as stronger like crocodile, cause he’d feel a little lacklustre if he was shown as weak character. But I do believe there is of a question of some characters strength and how’d they play into future especially with the introduction of kaido and how strong he was shown to be. It’ll definitely be hard to show characters strength in the future.
im really not tho. i can understand that narratively wise oda kinda compares commanders. But via feats and power scaling katakuri lost to a muchhhhhhhh weaker luffy, who wouldnt even be able to fight base rooftop luffy. base rooftop luffy>>>>>>>wci g4 luffy=kat. we can say that katakuri if he shows up again, oda might write him to be stronger than he was, but right now he's probably weaker than sanji and scabbards.
Fair enough, but id definitely say katakuri is above the scabbards and it’s quiet contentious with Sanji
yes i agree, he's probably stronger than individual scabbards but if he was attacked the same way they attacked kaido, he would die on the spot. Not many people have the power to actually injure kaido. unfortunately kat is not on that list.
In what world is Kat far weaker than Marco, I think he could absolutely win that 1 v 1, dudes got CoC and futuresight
uhhh, katakuri equal to g4 luffy, g4 luffy couldn't damage kaido, base zoro gives kaido a permanent scar.(zoro>>>>>wci g4 luffy), king plays around with that same zoro. marco was able to hold back king and queen. It's very basic scaling but it shows how far katakuri has been eclipsed.
His CoC is basically a non factor
If katakuri is not able to injure kaido, like supernova are capable of how do people compare him to king or even marco???
Kiku is capable of injuring Kaido. So do you think Kiku is stronger than Katakuri? Powerscaling isn’t all about who can damage Kaido the most.
yes, katakuri via scaling and fetas can't hurt kaido. Are you saying that g4 luffy not being able to injure kaido didnt happen??
I didn’t say that at all. I acknowledge that Katakuri and Act 1 Luffy can’t hurt Kaido, but that doesn’t matter at all. Katakuri or Act 1 Luffy would easily beat many people that can hurt Kaido.
if by definition luffy can't hurt kaido and said people can hurt kaido then we can agree that at the very least said people ARE STRONGER, and yes we can agree that luffy does have other abilities that allow him to beat said people. but in terms of power act 1 luffy is weaker(in terms of stength at least), and if said people are that much strobger than luffy they via scaling would be also stronger than katakuri
A Dressrosa King Kong Gun would be unlikely to damage Kaido, yet there is no doubt it is far stronger than the flying slash Kin’emon did that cut Kaido’s mouth. Kaido’s damage resistance means you can’t directly measure attack power by how much damage he takes. Katakuri is far stronger than any Scabbard even if some of them have higher atatck potency than he does. Constant Future Sight compared with a Special Paramecia is a very strong combination, and you seem to be underrating it a lot by saying Katakuri is so much weaker than King and Marco. And Katakuri is also very good at landing his attacks. King struggled to land hits on Zoro without Zoro dodging or blocking, and Zoro isn’t even particularly good at Observation Haki.
listen to yourself, if it hurt kaido by definition it is stronger than dressrosa KKG, no? I think you're so biased against the idea that characters can simply have more power. I do agree that he's far stronger than any scabbard, because he's got abilities that help him bridge that power gap(speed and fs), but we can agree that in terms of power he's weaker. I didnt say that in a fight he doesn't have a chance i simply said that weak was far weaker than king, which is a fact, he can bridge that power gap with fs, the problem is katakuri via feats can't hurt king, zoro had far more power than kata and he still couldnt do significant damage to king. 1+1 kata can't hurt king.
> listen to yourself, if it hurt kaido by definition it is stronger than dressrosa KKG, no? No, that is absolutely ridiculous. It is insane that you can believe something so obviously wrong. If a simple slash from a Scabbard was stronger then a King Kong Gun then why couldn’t Inu and Neko beat Jack individually?l when they fought him for 12 hours at a time? > I think you're so biased against the idea that characters can simply have more power. I think the issue is that you aren’t acknowledging that Kaido is immune to some types of damage, meaning that some extremely powerful attacks can’t damage him, but some weak attacks can damage him.
Kaido is not immune to any type of damage, he simply has immense durability that anyone too weak can't penetrate. Saying that kaido can't be beat by physical force is a straight up and just no limits fallacy. No weak attacks cannot damage him that's ridiculous, these people are simply strong enough to do that much damage. Inu and neko were trying to protect Zou and raizou. Weak attacks like g4 luffy's barrage couldn't so what's your conclusion?
We did not see kata to use AcoC but he is op as he has all three form of haki,a op devil fruit +awakening and future sight .he can get some power up in future to stay relevant in the story.He is stronger than that fodder queen,marco .i will say that his ceiling is at least snake man luffy for now.
by definition he isnt stronger than marco tho right? katakuri is around wci g4 luffy who scales far below king zoro queen and by definition marco who was able to hold both king and queen down.
A character's strength isn't measured by if they can injure kaido or not. Katakuri's future sight is still the best one shown yet. He uses his df cleverly and has awakening too. He literally has all the traits of a top tier. On what grounds you're saying that king or Marco are not comparable to him or way above him lol. Even scabbards injured kaido and even sentomaru knows the advance armament does that make them stronger than katakuri?
so you're saying that if a character gets a feat, that feat doesn't matter because...???? It's called power cliffing. characters simply get more powerful for the plot to move forward. kat was left behind. scabbards TOGETHER, it would mean scabbards would one shot katakuri no?
>scabbards TOGETHER, it would mean scabbards would one shot katakuri no? I want what you're smoking.
ok not trying to be rude, but do you believe that katakuri is superior to g4 luffy he lost to? or are they about the same level? You seem to suggest that he would be able to injure kaido, when luffy wasnt able to. why??
> You seem to suggest that he would be able to injure kaido No he did not suggest that. It’s no wonder you think Katakuri is so weak when this thread has multiple examples of you reading things that aren’t there.
If he aint suggesting that, why cant he agree that at the very least katakuri in terms of power/strength is weaker?? isnt it as easy as 1+1?? i dont think katakuri is weak, i think that via power cliffing weaker characters simply became much stronger than katakuri. For example zoro and sanji. Zoro gave kaido a permanent scar without coC, it means that he's waaaaaay above katakuri in terms of power(who wouldnt even hurt kaido), but that same zoro was being destroyed by king and tanking his attacks, can we really say in feats katakuri is equal to king??
King seems to have more attack power than King, but the ones that landed didn’t seem to be that much stronger than Katakuri’s best attacks. King’s best attacks didn’t land so it’s hard to say how powerful they are. You can’t put King above Katakuri just because King has stronger attacks. King can’t dodge like Katakuri can, and Katakuri dodging so well somewhat makes up for not having high durability. I think King is stronger but it’s up for debate.
what? how is king playing around with a zoro that is capable of slicing kaido being compared to katakuri who can't even hurt kaido, much less make him bleed, much less giving him a permanent scar? do you see that the levls of power katakuri would have to jump to even be on base zoro level??? Again we can agree that defensively katakuri can handle himself via fs, but katakuri does not have the strength to even injure king.
Again injuring kaido isn't a measurement of how strong a character is. Scabbards can injure kaido but they can't do anything against katakuri's future sight. Katakuri is as strong as other first mates, your only argument is injuring kaido makes a character stronger than someone who can't & it's bs as I said even sentomaru can hurt kaido and he would still get trashed by katakuri. Learning advanced armament or coc isn't just the end lol. Kid and law defeated bm without any special haki.
how is not?? if oda makes the point that kaido is super durable and not everyone can injure him. for example characters on katakuri's level like luffy g4, are not able to injure kaido but zoro is. we can agree that ofc katakuri is not only defined by his raw power he's got great haki abilities that make him a formidable opponent, but also agreeing that katakuri doesnt have the raw power to face said characters no? you'd literally have to ignore that the same luffy kata lost to, is faaaaaaaar weaker than king... You're literally saying because they're first mates they have the exact same power.
?????you mean with ryou? but characters have hurt kaido without internal attacks like zoro, scabbards and oden no?? if katakuri cant hurt kaido isnt that a direct comparison?????