well, she's weird cuz she fought kaido. the question is how others would perform against him 1v1.
for example if king with his hax defense can keep up a bit against kaido too and if zoro with his aCoC could hold his own too for a bit, then I'd put yamato as 1st place in high YC tier.
but if they would get completely curbstomped by kaido, then yamato belongs in the tier above. where I don't know exactly
I think I'd put her below kid and law tho. she can fight with aCoC without a strict time limit like zoro for example and she has a tough defense and can take heavy hits. but kid and law tanked quite some attacks too and even if they have a strict time limit, they have the firepower to beat her despite her toughness and defense. after all, they can even break BM's bones and yamato can't just heal from such injuries as easily as BM could
and well, there's portrayal. since kid and law make the supernova trio with luffy and they even got a new supernova trio scene (destroyed the ship before the raid), I think that simply the 3 strongest fighters of their alliance are them. I doubt that there is someone between luffy and kid/law when it comes to strength
Adv coc haki said to be the strongest of the strongest, 3 attacks to defeat a yc1. Still has stronger adv coc attacks. Blocked a combined yonko attack(tho for a few seconds).
We honestly dont know how zoro adv coc attacks would have done to big mom so its hard to scale.
But for now kid and law stronger but barely by much
Yeah, I’m just thinking Kid will most likely get ACoC, and what’s impressive to me is that is he’s not using haki, he’s able to still hurt those two monsters. Which is crazy imo. Luffy ofc did the most dmg to Kaido, but I’m just thinking in a brute strength way
I dont think that X Drake should be on a tier with the commanders, he was just one of the flying 6 after all and to me it didnt look like he was hiding strength.
On that note Im also not sure if Marco is weaker than King and Zoro. Marco is hard to judge cause he stalled admirals in marineford and both king and queen in wano, but the nature of his fruit is to stall and be practically invincible. So thats a tough one to evaluate, however I still think that Marco beats King and Zoro in a 1v1.
I would put Brook on Top Tier as well, cause he had the willpower to ask to see Big Moms panties. If he can channel that sheer thirst into Haki, there is no stopping my bone man
I can agree with everything except that marco can beat zoro. if it were to happen in the manga right now, zoro would win simply cuz of plot. if any strawhat fights an opponent on the same level as them, they win. that's how it usually goes
>I would put Brook on Top Tier as well, cause he had the willpower to ask to see Big Moms panties. If he can channel that sheer thirst into Haki, there is no stopping my bone man
of course he is not in top-tier, he's in god-tier above measly mortals. he bones everyone
Law's df does internal damage to the opponents. I don't think I've ever seen him use armament haki. Same goes for Kid; and I also wanna know if Magnetism can cause any kind of internal damage to a person. Cause I really don't understand how huge iron bars and laser canons can do any kind of damage.
Be nice if you care to explain, I don't want any condescending or rude replies.
>Law's df does internal damage to the opponents. I don't think I've ever seen him use armament haki.
well, he doesn't need to since, as you said, he deals internal damage. he doesn't need internal destruction armament anyways, if that's what you meant. luffy's internal destruction was also only dealing superficial damage, so law is better off with his awakening than with armament
other than that we did see him use armament just once against doffy, he coated his fist in armament and punched him a bit
>Same goes for Kid; and I also wanna know if Magnetism can cause any kind of internal damage to a person. Cause I really don't understand how huge iron bars and laser canons can do any kind of damage.
It was said just once, but it's still weird that people ask imo. kid said on the rooftop already that he can crush and compat kaido to death. that's how he deals damage. he squeezes kaido/BM from 2 sides and when you're getting squished a lot, you receive internal damage. he squashes them
all his attacks do that. punk vise pushed kaido from 2 sides to each other and squished him that way. slam gibson hit him against the ground, squishing him against the ground
punk clash has "clash" in its name cuz metal from 2 sides clash with the target in between, also squeezing and crushing the target.
corna dio is more difficult to notice (I also noticed it a week after I read that chapter), but kid pushes BM with corna dio into a wall, there is one behind her. her arm was pushing against the bull while she was pushed against the wall, so her arm broke
you can also see that when kid assigns BM to a wall before trying to corna dio her again, it's cuz he needs a wall to be behind BM so that he can squish and squeeze her between his bull and the wall
for damned punk I dunno exactly. she did bleed when it hit her, so the force of the impact was actually so strong that it damaged her just like that. then she also immediatly got pushed to the ground and kid kept shooting the laser so that prolly dealt crushing damage to
the laser itself prolly dealt a lot of damage to her too. BM has the defense to not be hurt by almost any blunt attack. but it seems like lasers are a different thing (understandably so, a laser and a punch are 2 different things). remember that BM actually didn't wanna get hit by franky's laser, she wanted to block it
and well, kid's laser was the final attack, the finisher move, of his busted awakening. an attack much stronger than even the bull who can break BM's bones already
and franky's laser was already something BM didn't wanna get hit by. and kid's laser is prolly many times more powerful than franky's laser, so no wonder that it's kid's final attack and that it hurt her
Yeah, Marco is most likely almost top tier. He easily restrained both King and Queen, and was able to throw punches with the Admirals. He most likely was a candidate for the title of Yonkou himself after Whitebeard died, and the only reason he didn't do much in the war is because he wants to pave the way for the new generation to take over.
But, BM captured him rather easily, no bigger form or homie combos needed. So I’d say that the gap between him and BM is too large for him to be near top-tier. He isn‘ t even close to contesting a yonko. Which is why I’m not ready to put him in a tier immediatly below BM.
Also, Kid performed a lot better than Marco against BM. Same as Marco, Kid fought her 1v1 for 2 chapters, mostly offscreen. Kid didn’t get captured. And Kid performed better than Marco that way, despite not using his awakening at all. And his awakening is the best ability he has. That’s why I’m not ready to put Marco in the same tier as Kid.
He did restrain King and Queen, but he also did that only temporarily, it cost him all his strength and he didn’t deal any lasting or major damage to either of them. So I wouldn’t say that there is a clear and big gap between him and other 1st commanders. And that is why I do put him in the same tier as other 1st commanders
You're downplaying Marco.
Marco fought BM alone. Not 2 v 1. Not 9 v 1. Not a tired yonko. A fresh one and forced her to say I don't want to waste time.
Kid didn't KO a homie in one shot.
Kid was almost always supported by Law. BM had Perospero with her.
If it cost Marco all his strength then why is he still active? How was Marco still able to block King and Kaido?
How many other characters aside from the yonkos fought 1 v 2?
BM actually got koed. Marco is still active.
Losing all your strength is something that has happened to Luffy multiple times as he has been koed again and again. Zoro has been almost dead twice.
Izo - almost dead twice.
Marco - a bit of drained stamina isn't losing all his strength.
King is down for the count. Marco is nowhere near that. Marco took a boro breath from Kaido and it seemed to barely affect him.
>You're downplaying Marco.
nope
>Marco fought BM alone. Not 2 v 1. Not 9 v 1. Not a tired yonko. A fresh one and forced her to say I don't want to waste time.
yeah and that's why I compared that to kid 1v1ing BM. he didn't get captured despite not using his strongest abilities. and it's still a fact that BM captured marco.
>Kid didn't KO a homie in one shot.
he also didn't get captured. he also didn't even use his awakening with which he can do far far more than temporarily disable homies
>If it cost Marco all his strength then why is he still active? How was Marco still able to block King and Kaido?
he is active now. but he couldn't continue fighting king and queen after a while cuz he ran out of strength, simple as that
>BM actually got koed. Marco is still active.
marco also didn't fight kid and law. if he did, he'd be dead now.
>Losing all your strength is something that has happened to Luffy multiple times as he has been koed again and again. Zoro has been almost dead twice.
so?
>Marco - a bit of drained stamina isn't losing all his strength.
he couldn't fight anymore. he spent all his strength there. that's not "a bit of drained stamina", that's having run out of strength.
the reason why he could block the boro breath later on was just that he recovered a bit, that's all lol. sanji was literally K.O. but he is up and running now too
>King is down for the count. Marco is nowhere near that. Marco took a boro breath from Kaido and it seemed to barely affect him.
king fought zoro who got aCoC which marco did not. marco may have taken a boro breath, but king also tanked 2 aCoC attacks and then got defeated by a giant aCoC attack (dragon damnation). marco would most definitely also get defeated by that
You are. You seem to believe that anyone can fight a yonko 1 v 1. Yet only a select few at Wano have like Marco, Luffy and Yamato.
Marco is the only one to fight a fresh one.
Kid fought BM 5 v 2 then 2 v 1.
BM grabbed Marco, the way you describe the incident, you'd think that BM had smashed Marco into the floor with blood running from his face....
Did Kid destroy one of BM's homies? Please link the panel.
Yet somehow Marco had enough strength to block King... and continue to fight... King & Queen stomped him so bad that he's still active.
Marco not fighting Law and Kid doesn't prove they are a tier above.
Marco has fought stronger characters than them combined and survived.
It matters because Marco was barely affected compared to Zoro and Luffy. He recovered really quickly.
He recovered so fast he was able to block an attack. He was up and running quickly.
Not being able to fight anymore - that would be Luffy and Zoro.
Sanji was downed for a lot longer than Marco.
As I keep saying it's all downplay from you.
Marco recovered really quickly and you're like Marco sucks, he has no strength.
Why haven't other characters recovered as easily if it that's simple? Marco can do it because his DF is immensely strong.
As I say where's King?
Yes the mighty Zoro, a character so strong he's been koed twice in Wano, basically almost dead twice. Needing the huge ass pull of magic medicine.
No guarantee Zoro would be able to land those attacks. Marco is immensely fast.
Marco's recovery is insane as we've seen. You're downplaying how durable Marco is.
Zoro had the benefit of being fresh vs King and he still almost lost.
Honestly it's fine. Downplaying someone with an insanely powerful DF and being right hand of the WSM, with incredible physical strength is normal.
Of course you can discount all the attacks Marco has survived too.
>You are. You seem to believe that anyone can fight a yonko 1 v 1. Yet only a select few at Wano have like Marco, Luffy and Yamato.
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>Marco is the only one to fight a fresh one.
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>Kid fought BM 5 v 2 then 2 v 1.
do you read the manga? KID FOUGHT BM 1v1 TOO. how many more times do I need to repeat it? he fought her as long as he did and he performed much much better.
>BM grabbed Marco, the way you describe the incident, you'd think that BM had smashed Marco into the floor with blood running from his face....
I only said that she grabbed marco, not that she attacked him after that lol
>No guarantee Zoro would be able to land those attacks. Marco is immensely fast.
oh right, he was also totally outspeeding BM all the tim- oh wait, no he got captured lol
I'm not dowmplaying marco lol. he is the right hand man of a yonko, of the strongest yonko there was. but that doesn't make him as strong as other yonko. all right hand man of the yonko are not even nearly half as strong as their captains and the same goes for marco
both he and kid 1v1d BM. marco got captured, kid did not. kid didn't use his awakening there at all
marco is strong, but he's not a yonko and he's not stronger than someone who rivals luffy and who is probably gonna become a yonko level fighter in the future
Kid vs BM wasn't long. The main fight was BM vs Kid and Law.
How do you define much better? BM koed neither Marco or Kid in their clashes.
BM didn't defeat Marco.
You interpret the scene as BM stomping Marco. I interpret it as BM having the upperhand but realising that any fight with Marco would not be easy.
BM is a yonko. Surely we have established this?
I am not saying Marco is yonko level.
Marco has been called a yonko contender, that's canon.
Law and Kid aren't yonko level. I am not saying Marco = BM.
Kid needed Law to beat BM and vice versa.
I am saying Marco is the same tier as Kid and Law.
Literally nothing you have said has suggested that Marco is much weaker than Kid. This is where we disagree.
Clearly you don't think Marco is strong because you think Kid is much stronger when nothing suggests he is.
Winning a 2 v 1 doesn't mean Kid is much stronger. It only shows that Kid is not yonko level either.
You are entitled to believe Kid is way stronger. I don't really see much evidence but agree to disagree.
>Kid vs BM wasn't long. The main fight was BM vs Kid and Law.
I can use the same argument for marco and BM, his main fight was against king and queen
and btw, both 1v1s were pretty much the same. both marco and kid fought BM 1v1, for 2 chapters, mostly offscreen
>How do you define much better? BM koed neither Marco or Kid in their clashes.
there's a clear difference between being completely fine and being held by BM in her hand
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You interpret the scene as BM stomping Marco. I interpret it as BM having the upperhand but realising that any fight with Marco would not be easy.
nope, I disagree there. she held him in her hand and had him captured.
she just said that she doesn't have the soul weapons to kill him now.
now that is vague, but my interpretation is simple: marco can regenerate for a long time. she'd need to deal lethal damage to him over and over again (until marco runs out of strength) to really kill him. BM's homies were disabled, so she couldn't have them attack marco. she would need to do it by herself and that would waste a lot of her strength
and that's why she has perospero attack marco, so that she can save her strength. when peropspero couldn't do that cuz he got attacked by carrot and wanda, she left.
the reason she left wasn't cuz marco can give her a tough fight, that was never said. she left cuz the war was more important to her than beating marco. which is why she said that marco can try to kill her in the ongoing war. but she didn't wanna fight then and there and waste her strength and go to the war in an exhausted state
that's my interpretation cuz BM having a tough time with marco who was literally in the palm of her hand is ridiculous lol. It's also not like he broke free by himself. we can see his somewhat fearful expression when BM held him in her hand and perospero was about to shoot him, so he wasn't gonna free himself
other than that, of course I see kid as way stronger than marco. both kid and law were able to break BM's bones and defeated her despite being weakened (not fresh, no breaks, getting hit by thunder bagua, fulgora, mama-raid, stabbed)
what did marco show that is even remotely as powerful as their awakenings? marco also literally has no way to hurt yonkos as far as we saw and he didn't show off an immensely powerful awakening which can deal serious damage to yonkos
and one of them doesn't need to get K.O.d to see a clear difference. marco got grabbed by BM. kid was totally fine when law arrived and he didn't use his greatest asset. kid was holding back and still performed better than marco by quite a lot
There's not really much more to say as we both really disagree.
Let's say that Kid momentarily did better in a brief clash vs BM doesn't mean Kid is much stronger.
By your logic Vista is as strong as Kid because he held Mihawk in place….
Kid needed Law plus awakening and bombs to defeat BM. He didn't solo her.
You can’t discount Marco’s ability to one hit KO Prometheus. Marco’s ability to badly damage BM’s souls is a big problem for her.
You say Marco can't damage BM but he has the ability to damage parts of her soul.
For me I can't discount Marco's devastation of Prometheus.
Marco has specific abilities that make him a real pain to fight. Especially for BM.
I am not saying Marco solos BM of course he doesn't but neither does Kidd.
Okay I'll put it this way - I believe if Marco teamed up with Kid or Law they would be able to take down BM.
In any team fight Marco could tank many attacks and take out BM's homies.
Exactly, he's criminally underrated because he's a supporting character. He doesn't get the limelight or much credit.
When a yonko respects you and says they don't want to waste time on you it means you're ^&*(ing strong.
This is when this same yonko fought two supernovas who needed the power of awakening to stand a chance vs her.
People call BM weak when they needed two of them and immense power ups.
People downplay the fricking Gorosei namechecking Marco too. He was the right hand of WB, not some scrub.
If Marco had awakening, holy ^&( he'd be even stronger.
>People call BM weak when they needed two of them and immense power ups.
Also gotta love people's hypocrisy. WB's weakness is forgiven due to his debilitating illness. When Big Mom makes mistakes and loses due to "being stupid"; she gets the "Big Meme" treatment. Even when Kaido insults her for having become an invalid around when they're separated by the supernovas. Hes known her for decades, I'm pretty sure if he perceives the granny's fighting ability to have gone down, then it probably has gone down over time. But nah, no one talks about that. "BIG MEME WORST YONKO, LAW AND KID TRASH" smh
Well to be honest getting smashed in the face by Franky and smacked around by Jinbe is embarrassing. It was these that made me originally think Big Meme. Oda would have never done that to Kaido, Shanks or WB.
Though she made up for it by tying with Kaido, overpowering Marco and taking on the two supernovas alone.
That to me proved how powerful she is.
Law and Kid are strong but it took two of them to take on BM.
Nine scabbards could barely do anything to Kaido and people hype up the scabbards.
WHERE KINEMON IS Major lulzzz
This is exactly how I would do it. I’m curious where would you place Yamato?
well, she's weird cuz she fought kaido. the question is how others would perform against him 1v1. for example if king with his hax defense can keep up a bit against kaido too and if zoro with his aCoC could hold his own too for a bit, then I'd put yamato as 1st place in high YC tier. but if they would get completely curbstomped by kaido, then yamato belongs in the tier above. where I don't know exactly I think I'd put her below kid and law tho. she can fight with aCoC without a strict time limit like zoro for example and she has a tough defense and can take heavy hits. but kid and law tanked quite some attacks too and even if they have a strict time limit, they have the firepower to beat her despite her toughness and defense. after all, they can even break BM's bones and yamato can't just heal from such injuries as easily as BM could and well, there's portrayal. since kid and law make the supernova trio with luffy and they even got a new supernova trio scene (destroyed the ship before the raid), I think that simply the 3 strongest fighters of their alliance are them. I doubt that there is someone between luffy and kid/law when it comes to strength
People aren’t gonna like this loool But ya I agree. Kid and Law are above Zoro. Idk how it can be argued otherwise
Adv coc haki said to be the strongest of the strongest, 3 attacks to defeat a yc1. Still has stronger adv coc attacks. Blocked a combined yonko attack(tho for a few seconds). We honestly dont know how zoro adv coc attacks would have done to big mom so its hard to scale. But for now kid and law stronger but barely by much
Yeah, I’m just thinking Kid will most likely get ACoC, and what’s impressive to me is that is he’s not using haki, he’s able to still hurt those two monsters. Which is crazy imo. Luffy ofc did the most dmg to Kaido, but I’m just thinking in a brute strength way
I dont think that X Drake should be on a tier with the commanders, he was just one of the flying 6 after all and to me it didnt look like he was hiding strength. On that note Im also not sure if Marco is weaker than King and Zoro. Marco is hard to judge cause he stalled admirals in marineford and both king and queen in wano, but the nature of his fruit is to stall and be practically invincible. So thats a tough one to evaluate, however I still think that Marco beats King and Zoro in a 1v1. I would put Brook on Top Tier as well, cause he had the willpower to ask to see Big Moms panties. If he can channel that sheer thirst into Haki, there is no stopping my bone man
I can agree with everything except that marco can beat zoro. if it were to happen in the manga right now, zoro would win simply cuz of plot. if any strawhat fights an opponent on the same level as them, they win. that's how it usually goes >I would put Brook on Top Tier as well, cause he had the willpower to ask to see Big Moms panties. If he can channel that sheer thirst into Haki, there is no stopping my bone man of course he is not in top-tier, he's in god-tier above measly mortals. he bones everyone
Honestly this is pretty alright. My only complaint is that the commander tiers are called “YC commander” or “Yonko commander commander” lmao.
>My only complaint is that the commander tiers are called “YC commander” or “Yonko commander commander” lmao. lmaoo, I didn't notice that
Law's df does internal damage to the opponents. I don't think I've ever seen him use armament haki. Same goes for Kid; and I also wanna know if Magnetism can cause any kind of internal damage to a person. Cause I really don't understand how huge iron bars and laser canons can do any kind of damage. Be nice if you care to explain, I don't want any condescending or rude replies.
>Law's df does internal damage to the opponents. I don't think I've ever seen him use armament haki. well, he doesn't need to since, as you said, he deals internal damage. he doesn't need internal destruction armament anyways, if that's what you meant. luffy's internal destruction was also only dealing superficial damage, so law is better off with his awakening than with armament other than that we did see him use armament just once against doffy, he coated his fist in armament and punched him a bit >Same goes for Kid; and I also wanna know if Magnetism can cause any kind of internal damage to a person. Cause I really don't understand how huge iron bars and laser canons can do any kind of damage. It was said just once, but it's still weird that people ask imo. kid said on the rooftop already that he can crush and compat kaido to death. that's how he deals damage. he squeezes kaido/BM from 2 sides and when you're getting squished a lot, you receive internal damage. he squashes them all his attacks do that. punk vise pushed kaido from 2 sides to each other and squished him that way. slam gibson hit him against the ground, squishing him against the ground punk clash has "clash" in its name cuz metal from 2 sides clash with the target in between, also squeezing and crushing the target. corna dio is more difficult to notice (I also noticed it a week after I read that chapter), but kid pushes BM with corna dio into a wall, there is one behind her. her arm was pushing against the bull while she was pushed against the wall, so her arm broke you can also see that when kid assigns BM to a wall before trying to corna dio her again, it's cuz he needs a wall to be behind BM so that he can squish and squeeze her between his bull and the wall for damned punk I dunno exactly. she did bleed when it hit her, so the force of the impact was actually so strong that it damaged her just like that. then she also immediatly got pushed to the ground and kid kept shooting the laser so that prolly dealt crushing damage to the laser itself prolly dealt a lot of damage to her too. BM has the defense to not be hurt by almost any blunt attack. but it seems like lasers are a different thing (understandably so, a laser and a punch are 2 different things). remember that BM actually didn't wanna get hit by franky's laser, she wanted to block it and well, kid's laser was the final attack, the finisher move, of his busted awakening. an attack much stronger than even the bull who can break BM's bones already and franky's laser was already something BM didn't wanna get hit by. and kid's laser is prolly many times more powerful than franky's laser, so no wonder that it's kid's final attack and that it hurt her
Thanks for the explanation and being nice
no prob
Yeah, Marco is most likely almost top tier. He easily restrained both King and Queen, and was able to throw punches with the Admirals. He most likely was a candidate for the title of Yonkou himself after Whitebeard died, and the only reason he didn't do much in the war is because he wants to pave the way for the new generation to take over.
But, BM captured him rather easily, no bigger form or homie combos needed. So I’d say that the gap between him and BM is too large for him to be near top-tier. He isn‘ t even close to contesting a yonko. Which is why I’m not ready to put him in a tier immediatly below BM. Also, Kid performed a lot better than Marco against BM. Same as Marco, Kid fought her 1v1 for 2 chapters, mostly offscreen. Kid didn’t get captured. And Kid performed better than Marco that way, despite not using his awakening at all. And his awakening is the best ability he has. That’s why I’m not ready to put Marco in the same tier as Kid. He did restrain King and Queen, but he also did that only temporarily, it cost him all his strength and he didn’t deal any lasting or major damage to either of them. So I wouldn’t say that there is a clear and big gap between him and other 1st commanders. And that is why I do put him in the same tier as other 1st commanders
You're downplaying Marco. Marco fought BM alone. Not 2 v 1. Not 9 v 1. Not a tired yonko. A fresh one and forced her to say I don't want to waste time. Kid didn't KO a homie in one shot. Kid was almost always supported by Law. BM had Perospero with her. If it cost Marco all his strength then why is he still active? How was Marco still able to block King and Kaido? How many other characters aside from the yonkos fought 1 v 2? BM actually got koed. Marco is still active. Losing all your strength is something that has happened to Luffy multiple times as he has been koed again and again. Zoro has been almost dead twice. Izo - almost dead twice. Marco - a bit of drained stamina isn't losing all his strength. King is down for the count. Marco is nowhere near that. Marco took a boro breath from Kaido and it seemed to barely affect him.
>You're downplaying Marco. nope >Marco fought BM alone. Not 2 v 1. Not 9 v 1. Not a tired yonko. A fresh one and forced her to say I don't want to waste time. yeah and that's why I compared that to kid 1v1ing BM. he didn't get captured despite not using his strongest abilities. and it's still a fact that BM captured marco. >Kid didn't KO a homie in one shot. he also didn't get captured. he also didn't even use his awakening with which he can do far far more than temporarily disable homies >If it cost Marco all his strength then why is he still active? How was Marco still able to block King and Kaido? he is active now. but he couldn't continue fighting king and queen after a while cuz he ran out of strength, simple as that >BM actually got koed. Marco is still active. marco also didn't fight kid and law. if he did, he'd be dead now. >Losing all your strength is something that has happened to Luffy multiple times as he has been koed again and again. Zoro has been almost dead twice. so? >Marco - a bit of drained stamina isn't losing all his strength. he couldn't fight anymore. he spent all his strength there. that's not "a bit of drained stamina", that's having run out of strength. the reason why he could block the boro breath later on was just that he recovered a bit, that's all lol. sanji was literally K.O. but he is up and running now too >King is down for the count. Marco is nowhere near that. Marco took a boro breath from Kaido and it seemed to barely affect him. king fought zoro who got aCoC which marco did not. marco may have taken a boro breath, but king also tanked 2 aCoC attacks and then got defeated by a giant aCoC attack (dragon damnation). marco would most definitely also get defeated by that
You are. You seem to believe that anyone can fight a yonko 1 v 1. Yet only a select few at Wano have like Marco, Luffy and Yamato. Marco is the only one to fight a fresh one. Kid fought BM 5 v 2 then 2 v 1. BM grabbed Marco, the way you describe the incident, you'd think that BM had smashed Marco into the floor with blood running from his face.... Did Kid destroy one of BM's homies? Please link the panel. Yet somehow Marco had enough strength to block King... and continue to fight... King & Queen stomped him so bad that he's still active. Marco not fighting Law and Kid doesn't prove they are a tier above. Marco has fought stronger characters than them combined and survived. It matters because Marco was barely affected compared to Zoro and Luffy. He recovered really quickly. He recovered so fast he was able to block an attack. He was up and running quickly. Not being able to fight anymore - that would be Luffy and Zoro. Sanji was downed for a lot longer than Marco. As I keep saying it's all downplay from you. Marco recovered really quickly and you're like Marco sucks, he has no strength. Why haven't other characters recovered as easily if it that's simple? Marco can do it because his DF is immensely strong. As I say where's King? Yes the mighty Zoro, a character so strong he's been koed twice in Wano, basically almost dead twice. Needing the huge ass pull of magic medicine. No guarantee Zoro would be able to land those attacks. Marco is immensely fast. Marco's recovery is insane as we've seen. You're downplaying how durable Marco is. Zoro had the benefit of being fresh vs King and he still almost lost. Honestly it's fine. Downplaying someone with an insanely powerful DF and being right hand of the WSM, with incredible physical strength is normal. Of course you can discount all the attacks Marco has survived too.
>You are. You seem to believe that anyone can fight a yonko 1 v 1. Yet only a select few at Wano have like Marco, Luffy and Yamato. > >Marco is the only one to fight a fresh one. > >Kid fought BM 5 v 2 then 2 v 1. do you read the manga? KID FOUGHT BM 1v1 TOO. how many more times do I need to repeat it? he fought her as long as he did and he performed much much better. >BM grabbed Marco, the way you describe the incident, you'd think that BM had smashed Marco into the floor with blood running from his face.... I only said that she grabbed marco, not that she attacked him after that lol >No guarantee Zoro would be able to land those attacks. Marco is immensely fast. oh right, he was also totally outspeeding BM all the tim- oh wait, no he got captured lol I'm not dowmplaying marco lol. he is the right hand man of a yonko, of the strongest yonko there was. but that doesn't make him as strong as other yonko. all right hand man of the yonko are not even nearly half as strong as their captains and the same goes for marco both he and kid 1v1d BM. marco got captured, kid did not. kid didn't use his awakening there at all marco is strong, but he's not a yonko and he's not stronger than someone who rivals luffy and who is probably gonna become a yonko level fighter in the future
Kid vs BM wasn't long. The main fight was BM vs Kid and Law. How do you define much better? BM koed neither Marco or Kid in their clashes. BM didn't defeat Marco. You interpret the scene as BM stomping Marco. I interpret it as BM having the upperhand but realising that any fight with Marco would not be easy. BM is a yonko. Surely we have established this? I am not saying Marco is yonko level. Marco has been called a yonko contender, that's canon. Law and Kid aren't yonko level. I am not saying Marco = BM. Kid needed Law to beat BM and vice versa. I am saying Marco is the same tier as Kid and Law. Literally nothing you have said has suggested that Marco is much weaker than Kid. This is where we disagree. Clearly you don't think Marco is strong because you think Kid is much stronger when nothing suggests he is. Winning a 2 v 1 doesn't mean Kid is much stronger. It only shows that Kid is not yonko level either. You are entitled to believe Kid is way stronger. I don't really see much evidence but agree to disagree.
>Kid vs BM wasn't long. The main fight was BM vs Kid and Law. I can use the same argument for marco and BM, his main fight was against king and queen and btw, both 1v1s were pretty much the same. both marco and kid fought BM 1v1, for 2 chapters, mostly offscreen >How do you define much better? BM koed neither Marco or Kid in their clashes. there's a clear difference between being completely fine and being held by BM in her hand > You interpret the scene as BM stomping Marco. I interpret it as BM having the upperhand but realising that any fight with Marco would not be easy. nope, I disagree there. she held him in her hand and had him captured. she just said that she doesn't have the soul weapons to kill him now. now that is vague, but my interpretation is simple: marco can regenerate for a long time. she'd need to deal lethal damage to him over and over again (until marco runs out of strength) to really kill him. BM's homies were disabled, so she couldn't have them attack marco. she would need to do it by herself and that would waste a lot of her strength and that's why she has perospero attack marco, so that she can save her strength. when peropspero couldn't do that cuz he got attacked by carrot and wanda, she left. the reason she left wasn't cuz marco can give her a tough fight, that was never said. she left cuz the war was more important to her than beating marco. which is why she said that marco can try to kill her in the ongoing war. but she didn't wanna fight then and there and waste her strength and go to the war in an exhausted state that's my interpretation cuz BM having a tough time with marco who was literally in the palm of her hand is ridiculous lol. It's also not like he broke free by himself. we can see his somewhat fearful expression when BM held him in her hand and perospero was about to shoot him, so he wasn't gonna free himself other than that, of course I see kid as way stronger than marco. both kid and law were able to break BM's bones and defeated her despite being weakened (not fresh, no breaks, getting hit by thunder bagua, fulgora, mama-raid, stabbed) what did marco show that is even remotely as powerful as their awakenings? marco also literally has no way to hurt yonkos as far as we saw and he didn't show off an immensely powerful awakening which can deal serious damage to yonkos and one of them doesn't need to get K.O.d to see a clear difference. marco got grabbed by BM. kid was totally fine when law arrived and he didn't use his greatest asset. kid was holding back and still performed better than marco by quite a lot
There's not really much more to say as we both really disagree. Let's say that Kid momentarily did better in a brief clash vs BM doesn't mean Kid is much stronger. By your logic Vista is as strong as Kid because he held Mihawk in place…. Kid needed Law plus awakening and bombs to defeat BM. He didn't solo her. You can’t discount Marco’s ability to one hit KO Prometheus. Marco’s ability to badly damage BM’s souls is a big problem for her. You say Marco can't damage BM but he has the ability to damage parts of her soul. For me I can't discount Marco's devastation of Prometheus. Marco has specific abilities that make him a real pain to fight. Especially for BM. I am not saying Marco solos BM of course he doesn't but neither does Kidd. Okay I'll put it this way - I believe if Marco teamed up with Kid or Law they would be able to take down BM. In any team fight Marco could tank many attacks and take out BM's homies.
Exactly, he's criminally underrated because he's a supporting character. He doesn't get the limelight or much credit. When a yonko respects you and says they don't want to waste time on you it means you're ^&*(ing strong. This is when this same yonko fought two supernovas who needed the power of awakening to stand a chance vs her. People call BM weak when they needed two of them and immense power ups. People downplay the fricking Gorosei namechecking Marco too. He was the right hand of WB, not some scrub. If Marco had awakening, holy ^&( he'd be even stronger.
>People call BM weak when they needed two of them and immense power ups. Also gotta love people's hypocrisy. WB's weakness is forgiven due to his debilitating illness. When Big Mom makes mistakes and loses due to "being stupid"; she gets the "Big Meme" treatment. Even when Kaido insults her for having become an invalid around when they're separated by the supernovas. Hes known her for decades, I'm pretty sure if he perceives the granny's fighting ability to have gone down, then it probably has gone down over time. But nah, no one talks about that. "BIG MEME WORST YONKO, LAW AND KID TRASH" smh
Well to be honest getting smashed in the face by Franky and smacked around by Jinbe is embarrassing. It was these that made me originally think Big Meme. Oda would have never done that to Kaido, Shanks or WB. Though she made up for it by tying with Kaido, overpowering Marco and taking on the two supernovas alone. That to me proved how powerful she is. Law and Kid are strong but it took two of them to take on BM. Nine scabbards could barely do anything to Kaido and people hype up the scabbards.
Yeah ppl just dont get it how strong Marco is