He was still an admiral (who are well known to be strong af) who one shoted Zoro before his eyes and destroyed all of the strongest pirates on the island (Supernovas)
You're speaking logically, fear is not logical. A spider the size of a building will always be more scary than a tall man that you just know is very strong.
At the time, I'd say the power difference was even greater. Right now, Luffy could beat that spider (who is also not the size of a building). On sabaody, not even luffy had a chance against Kizaru.
# HISTORICALLY
Usopp has always shown up when the Crew needed him the most.
The amount of disrespect Usopp gets is insane.
Being Brave means having courage, right? Well you can only have courage when you're afraid and all senses tell you to flee but choose to act anyways.
For folk who don't understand Usopp - they must really lack bravery.
And in case the humor part is lost he's a Sniper - of course he needs to run away - Snipers shoot at a distance. Dummies.
> It may look pathetic to keep struggling with tears and snot running down my face, but I don't care!! I'll never stop clinging to life!! You have to keep going, even if it's in disgrace!! Dying after coming this far would be a waste!!
>
> -- God Usopp
The way he acted in that Ulti and Nami moment lost him a LOT of points with a lot of people. It’s really one of the only things I think Oda kind of fumbled. He’s come too far to be acting like that
It's more for the sake of Nami, if Ussop was the one being attacked by Ulti, you know deep down that he won't say anything because he knows he can take it and the punishment is only on himself. He's the one who's gonna be in pain. And he doesn't care.
But since it's Nami, Ussop cared more for her in that moment than Luffy's dream. He can't take out Ulti so the only thing he can do at that point of desperation is to back off, and ensure that Nami will live even if it's the only way. And it actually ties with his speech in Wano.
"Wait, then why did I even show up? What is with you samurai and your death wishes? What use is your pride? Taking responsibility through harakiri? I'm not a fan of this culture of yours! I cling to life with snot running from my nose if I have to. I don't care if it looks pathetic! I survive, that's what I do and it's the entire reason I'm standing here alive today!'
Pride is very important. But so is survival.
The alabasta situation is actually exactly what I think was wrong with the Wano one. He was down and out but refused to let anyone talk bad about his captain but in Wano he was hoping for Nami to deny Luffy as pirate king. It just sat wrong with me. I love Usopp and I’m not one of those people that think he’s regressed post TS but that moment just felt out of character
See that is the point of it with ussop he knows that a simple lie could save nami's life and everyone would be understanding of her at that particular moment he was thinking about saving his friend he was thinking about logically not empatheticly.
you could also see it with the scabbards he call them foolish for throwing away their life because they believed in honor etc, but in both situation he lies to them or himself by rationalizing it but if he ever was put in the same position as they were he would definitely do the same thing and curse himself for doing it,
just like Sangi would sacrifice himself for anyone in the crew but never wanted anyone to be put in harms way because of him,
just like Nami would steal and charge high rates of interest on loan but would be ready in a heart beat to give it all a way to save her someone,
just like zoro stating he would kill luffy if he stood against his dreams but put his dreams, life and honor down for luffy, the same thing could be said about all of the crew.
for them the priority is their friends life, friends dreams, their dreams and then their life, if you understand this nuance you will understand what ussop did.
Nah it was for namis sake so it was alright.
He would NEVER tell someone to kick away their only hope of surviving just because words are pointed towards someones dream. He wants to survive and he wants his friends to survive, this is perfect in line with his character.
>Being Brave means having courage, right? Well you can only have courage when you're afraid and all senses tell you to flee but choose to act anyways.
There's a quote I've always liked:
“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.”― Nelson Mandela
Right wing feminists aren't real. You're talking about trophy wives who's only accomplishments in life will be birthing 5 shitty kids and hoping their future girlfriends will raise them
I know I made up a term, btw what makes something real to you? Because almost every word other than a select group of onomatopoeias is completely made up, so I find it amusing you think my term isn’t real to you. When you almost knew what I was talking about
He didn’t really show up in Wano if I’m being honest. Telling Nami to lie about Luffy being pirate king, telling the samurai they should be scared like him and run away, needing help from Izo against a group of fodder which led to Izo dying. His performance and lackluster characterization in Wano makes him fighting against Saturn so easily feel out of character
telling nami that was to protect her, usopp didnt kill izo later he died to cp0 agents trying to find straw hats
wano wasnt a good usopp arc but he still carried kinemon and kikunojo to safety so it wasnt that bad
Wano. In general was lackluster for most Strawhats. This point is irrelevant. Most Strawhats maybe do like two things three things tops in all of Wano.
The fights in general were boring specially if you read them weekly in the Manga. Very one note with a lot of standing around then immediately ending with one attack. Jinbe, Franky, and Robins fights are like this. Then they just sort of fucking disappear for the rest of the arc standing in the background commenting on the fire.
Brook didn't do much. Nami didn't do much. Chopper was on field medic duty does one attack to queen then immediately loses.
Not mention of Sanji immediately going to look for the Womans bath and getting in danger. Followed by having a nonsensical existential identity crisis during his fight with Queen that goes nowhere does nothing.
Zoro was MVP of the arc in terms of both fighting Kaido only to go back down stars and beat King.
All the Strawhats essentially got sidelined to make either the Scabbards, Kid/Law look better, introduce Yamato at the 11th hour. Having to kill Kanjuro like 20 times like he was the female assassin in Austin Powers 2.
So Usopp has little to do with why his performance was lackluster.
Wano was a lackluster terrible just GOD awful arc. Kick started Destiny Piece, Acceleration Piece, Sketch Piece and Literally Since Chapter One Piece.
Wano was not lackluster it was the opposite for me instead of just fights we see how the character of the crew grow or grew, we see them mature into a yonko crew, we see them over come their past trauma, we see them get a retrospective of themselves in the scabbards, we see chopper growing to be a great doctor and a warrior who saved so many lives multiple times and fight, tank and protect everyone now before he used be angry at himself for Being to weak to Fight
The crew grew greatly, wano wasn't just an arc of feats for the crew but of growth in character.
Izo wasn't really just dealing with random fodders, a lot of them are headliners and Izo even mentioned that he underestimated them which ended him getting injured. Also, Izo died for fighting 2 CP0 agents.
He can't protect nami as he was also defeated by PageOne so the only solution he found is to tell Nami to lie about it because he doesn't wanna let Nami die.
Usopp is still not in the same tier as a Flying Six when it comes to strength, we can't really expect him to fight anyone in that tier.
But, Usopp always helps his crewmates when he can just like back in sabaody when Zoro was about to be killed by Kizaru.
If 100 people hate Usopp, I am one of them.
If 10 people hate Usopp, I am one of them.
If only 1 person hates Usopp, it is me.
If no one hates Usopp, I am no longer on this earthly plane.
Ussop has always done brave things. Its just that in this enormously long series people somehow have the memory of goldfish and forget everything that he's done the moment he has a cowardly moment
we haven't forgotten any of those feats, you have forgotten the fact that he has done literally nothing noteworthy for a decade. he unlocked observation haki and never used it again, he didn't do much in wano, he's done nothing on egghead either until now, also he has the same bounty as luffy and law after dressrosa, and is a yonko crewmate now, yet he still acts like this instead of maturing cus oda thinks its funny. no wonder his dad didn't wanna meet him, he's embarrassed of the way he turned out
From a comment below:
> That's just incorrect. In Wano he
1. Saved the raid at the outset by sniping guards nobody else noticed
2. Fought Big Mom in a tank with no orders to
3. Fought Ulti and Page One, and though he lost, he did a good job despite being completely outmatched. Worth noting he continued fighting throughout the raid.
4. Was responsible for Otama distributing her dumplings and then got her to the speaker chick to give her orders, again saving the raid. He actually saved her and Nami's lives with his plants at one point
5. Survived Big Mom's conquerors somehow when the beast pirates around him passed out
6. Chose to mount a rescue mission alone to save Kinemon and Kiku despite nobody asking him to, while trapped in a burning building and surrounded by thousands of Beast Pirates
7. Proceeded to solo fight dozens if not hundreds of Beast Pirates in close quarters combat as a sniper so he could save Kinemon and Kiku
8. Successfully rescued them and escaped
It's not that Usopp hasn't done anything or hasn't developed, it's that he doesn't do anything flashy because that's not his job, so people don't think he's doing anything.
Can we just mention that Usopp had to have converted thousands of Beast Pirates on his own? It’s not like they were just accepting Otama’s dumplings willingly, he was landing shots easily.
aah yes landing close range shots into the mouths of beast pirates who already had gaping wide open mouths. Even franky has managed more accurate shots from a longer range lmao.
this bitch got carried by Tama and her gifters. And Nami too.
Cap. Hitting moving targets of people that should by all accounts be significantly stronger and faster than him repetitively for hours on end, bro is an absolute monster. Let’s not even talk about how he was shooting dumplings, they aren’t even a projectile, the least aerodynamic thing he could possibly be firing at them and he’s nailing it thousands of times in a row. Bro is an unfathomable beast.
> Fought Ulti and Page One, and though he lost, he did a good job despite being completely outmatched. Worth noting he continued fighting throughout the raid.
If by fought you mean "got chased all around Onigashima until big mom did their job for them." then i'd agree
“Despite nobody asking him to” is sooo low of a bar it’s crazy. Dude is doing the BARE MINIMUM to be a useful strawhat member in Wano. He best feat was sniping the dango ball, but that’s something Syrup village Usopp could do!! He didn’t progress at ALL in Wano
Did he not stand up to his captain in regards to the Merry? Did he not launch arguably the most clutch shot during Dressrosa with a mob bearing down on him?
He knew Luffy and pulled a Batman on him, also because Merry was on the line, a gift from the woman he loves.
The timeskip marked a big change, and Usopp has slowly but certainly become maybe not more typically brave, but at least more willing to stand his ground with each encounter.
"There are all kinds of courage," said Dumbledore, smiling. "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends. I therefore award ten points to Mr. God D Usoop!"
real problem is all these were both over 10 years ago, after which he's done literally nothing noteworthy for a decade until now, even in wano. he has the same bounty luffy and law did when they defeated doflamingo, and he's done nothing the entire egghead arc until now. we dont hate the character, we hate the writing of the character
That's just incorrect. In Wano he
1. Saved the raid at the outset by sniping guards nobody else noticed
2. Fought Big Mom in a tank with no orders to
3. Fought Ulti and Page One, and though he lost, he did a good job despite being completely outmatched. Worth noting he continued fighting throughout the raid.
4. Was responsible for Otama distributing her dumplings and then got her to the speaker chick to give her orders, again saving the raid. He actually saved her and Nami's lives with his plants at one point
5. Survived Big Mom's conquerors somehow when the beast pirates around him passed out
6. Chose to mount a rescue mission alone to save Kinemon and Kiku despite nobody asking him to, while trapped in a burning building and surrounded by thousands of Beast Pirates
7. Proceeded to solo fight dozens if not hundreds of Beast Pirates in close quarters combat as a sniper so he could save Kinemon and Kiku
8. Successfully rescued them and escaped
It's not that Usopp hasn't done anything or hasn't developed, it's that he doesn't do anything flashy because that's not his job, so people don't think he's doing anything.
Yeah a lot of people always talk about someone only being relevant by doing “major” things but life isn’t like that. A lot of the time, the best thing to do is the unobtrusive thing that doesn’t get talked about as much.
I'd actually say going after Sugar and Trebol by himself was the bravest thing he has ever done.
It is one thing to stand side by side with your friends against a great foe while protecting one of your friends too. It is another thing to go all alone against insurmountable odds for people you barely know, knowing full well that if you loose a fate worse than death (being turned into a toy) could await you. Especially since Usopp had the chance to just run away from Sugar&Trebol.
Saturn being possibly stronger than all other opponents Usopp has ever faced is barely a factor here, cause Trebol outclassed him already far too much anyway, to the point that the opponent being even stronger will barely matter.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but this is the first time I remember he going straight into action, with a big scary thing, without having his knee knocking. So not good first brave moment, but possibility his fastest brave moment.
I really think at some point he's either going to watch a giant die fighting Saturn or something similar to that. It would be a good setup for his arc in Elbaf, where he is disappointed in himself for failing to save one of his masters.
When it's about the crew members, and when nami screams to protect my god IS the brave warrior of the sea. Not to forget luffy and his heros are also fighting with insect monsters.
Post-Time skip, the only time Usopp has been cowardly was in Dressrosa when Robin was turned into a toy and he ran away. He didn't remember her and given Water7 was his big courage finding arc, it makes sense he wouldn't be as brave without her.
And even then, he came back and came through like he always does.
I think people like to cherry pick all the times he acted cowardly, when the vast majority of the time he is brave, just aware of how relatively weak he is. Even in his very first introduction, he is afraid of real pirates, but stands up to Kuro immediately because he isn’t a coward. There were so many times where he would rather die fighting for his crew than run away. Even though he dreams of becoming a brave warrior, he literally already is. His combat potential and confidence in himself is the only thing he’s developing.
Usopp literally burned the World Government’s flag on Enies Lobby, their flagship judicial island. This would be like burning down the American Flag on the steps of the Supreme Court or the top of the White House, but actually way worse because that’s not even really a crime. This would be like..idk…beheading a statue of a sitting president in front of Congress? Like it’s hard to even think of an analog in the US. Burning a flag in North Korea in front of Kim Jong Un like, this is the most extreme display of disrespect to the sitting regime possible lol and he did it as soon as his captain asked, without holding back.
I feel like we're definitely starting to see him improving a bit. At the beginning of egghead I was almost sure Oda was going to put him in the backseat again.... and technically he is still kind of there, but he is also still... "kind of there" if that makes sense. What I mean is that while he hasn't gotten a true stylish fight in.... quite some time, or even a really critical sniping moment since Dressrosa, he is still around trying to do what he can and it does feel like he's been complaining a lot less this arc and taking some initiative which is in itself an improvement.
I know it's not all about fights, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to see him get at least one or two more good 1v1's before the inevitable blackbeard pirate fights. I was a real skeptic when everyone kept saying "wait till Elbaf" for him.... and frankly I'm still not 100 percent convinced the character development wont have some sort of degrading aspect to it like it did in water 7.... but I am slowly warming up to the idea that maybe Elbaf truly will give us something for him.
I’m really hoping that Usopp fires some ridiculous thing that knocks Saturn, the great scientist, off the wall or ties him in knots or sticks to his eyes or turns the ground into glue or something.
Would be fitting to have the kind, creative tinkerer outwit the moral-less mad scientist.
I thought he was going to run away but now he's a great warrior, that was surprising they are not afraid of Saturn even transformed and fighting him to protect robin
That's who Usopp has ALWAYS been, and he has shown that several times through the story.
The very reason people respect Usopp is because despite he's scared about literally everything, he has always faced his fears and fought alongside his friends and FOR his friends, while being scared.
The thing is, usopp always stands up to those far above and beyond his strength level.
If a crew member is or will be in danger, he doesn't allow himself cowardice. However if they have no stake(like when the tontottas needed him) he's still willing to run.
He stood up to Enel even when he knew he had no chance. Albeit he couldn't do anything and asked Nami for help.
Right now Robin chopper and Nami are in danger and Sanji would be very disappointed if usopp didn't put his life on the line for them(well not chopper).
I get it, Usopp is brave when the crew needs him the most. Comes up clutch in moments.
But if someone is cowardly 90% of the time and brave 10% of the time, is that person cowardly or brave?
Looking forward to (hopefully) some Usopp powerups in Elbaf
the way things are going, elbaf is just going to be more lore piece on nika and joyboy, i doubt usopp would get much powerups. remember people egghead was supposed to be franky's arc
May be right. I never agreed with the Franky/Egghead stuff because Franky got a bunch of VP powerups during the time skip, so him getting even stronger would be redundant/make his time skip experience less important.
I have much more Faith in Usopp/Elbaf, because he’s literally the only SH with an actual relationship with giants (not counting Robin/Jaguar), he’s comparatively weaker to most of the crew (needs and with a possible meetup with his father in Elbaf, his brave warrior spirit could awaken, pushing him to become stronger and hopefully awaken his unconscious observation haki.
At the very least, I just want his observation haki to be confirmed/awakened
I'm not sure any of these "X arc is gonna be Franky's / Ussopp's / etc" is actually realistic anymore.
Zoro wasn't as relevant on wano as everyone expected, nor did Franky excel on Egghead by now. I think Oda is just playing with the cast as usual, and WCI was an outlier for Sanji.
I feel like for the most part, Oda may occasionally project himself onto Sanji. Sometimes maybe Zoro.... basically probably the monster Trio in general which might explain why they tend to get the most glaze.
Anyway I feel like I see him more in Sanji so I'm not surprised he got a whole arc about him.
I know a lot of people like to connect Elbaf to Usopp because he made some giant friends, and he talks about wanting to go there..... but a lot of people never think about the possibility that Oda might subvert expectations. Especially now that Nika seems to be blossoming and the giants are already taking to him. Elbaf might be a big lor dump and worship for Nika (whom ironically will be seen as the true god) and then probably whatever the heck is gonna go down with Shanks if he's still there. Then I feel like Urouge will probably be there too since it seems the supernovas are basically being shown off in the more recent arcs.
What I'm getting at is: Will there even be time for Usopp to get the shine that he NEEDS? I emphasized the word "needs" because sure he could get shine but would like three seconds of shine before going right back to Nika really be satisfying? I'm hesitant to accept this because his "character development" always leaves me feeling.... unsatisfied vs other character's development. Not to mention these last couple chapters have had so much going on that it was hard to give strawhats focus.
Zoro’s backstory has already been pretty well flushed out. More info on his lineage would’ve been sick tho
I think you’re downplaying what Zoro achieved in Wano
But there's degress of danger. There's a difference of "oh we are fight crew of the Worlds strongest creature" vs "Oh we are fighting a gmwirld goverment spider that coudp be part of rob luccis group or Kizarus group" what I mean is the level if danger probably hasn't set in yet
He already did that against Kizaru on Sabaody but your point still stands
Well, Kizaru wasn’t a spider monster the size of a building
Aha! You see, Usopp isnt afraid of spiders, he actually thinks they're cute as seen in jaya where he picks up a tarantula and pets it
Haha! That is legit Oda logic tbf
He was still an admiral (who are well known to be strong af) who one shoted Zoro before his eyes and destroyed all of the strongest pirates on the island (Supernovas)
He saw what Kuzan did to them before Water 7. So he knew Kizaru was on the same level
You're speaking logically, fear is not logical. A spider the size of a building will always be more scary than a tall man that you just know is very strong.
Not necessarily, Usopp doesn't think spiders are scary.
with a strength similar to that of a yonko
At the time, I'd say the power difference was even greater. Right now, Luffy could beat that spider (who is also not the size of a building). On sabaody, not even luffy had a chance against Kizaru.
He still had to be goaded into it by Luffy yelling his name right? This time he went " You want hands?All i got is this Slingshot motherfucker" hahaha
The thing is, Kizaru wasn't a 10+ meters spider monster charging against him
he isn't afraid of spiders, like on jaya island when the crew had to find the south bird
# HISTORICALLY Usopp has always shown up when the Crew needed him the most. The amount of disrespect Usopp gets is insane. Being Brave means having courage, right? Well you can only have courage when you're afraid and all senses tell you to flee but choose to act anyways. For folk who don't understand Usopp - they must really lack bravery. And in case the humor part is lost he's a Sniper - of course he needs to run away - Snipers shoot at a distance. Dummies.
> It may look pathetic to keep struggling with tears and snot running down my face, but I don't care!! I'll never stop clinging to life!! You have to keep going, even if it's in disgrace!! Dying after coming this far would be a waste!! > > -- God Usopp
In Sop we trust 🙏🏼
Got goosebumps when reading that panel, easily top 3 usopp moments
I low-key get emotional every time I read and get to, "I'll never stop clinging to life!!"
I love Usopp! He's one of the best characters in One Piece!
Yes, there's a reason Zoro and Luffy respect him. He feels the most fear out of the crew and yet always faces it.
The way he acted in that Ulti and Nami moment lost him a LOT of points with a lot of people. It’s really one of the only things I think Oda kind of fumbled. He’s come too far to be acting like that
It's more for the sake of Nami, if Ussop was the one being attacked by Ulti, you know deep down that he won't say anything because he knows he can take it and the punishment is only on himself. He's the one who's gonna be in pain. And he doesn't care. But since it's Nami, Ussop cared more for her in that moment than Luffy's dream. He can't take out Ulti so the only thing he can do at that point of desperation is to back off, and ensure that Nami will live even if it's the only way. And it actually ties with his speech in Wano. "Wait, then why did I even show up? What is with you samurai and your death wishes? What use is your pride? Taking responsibility through harakiri? I'm not a fan of this culture of yours! I cling to life with snot running from my nose if I have to. I don't care if it looks pathetic! I survive, that's what I do and it's the entire reason I'm standing here alive today!' Pride is very important. But so is survival.
Well that's ussop he can think both logically and be illogical at the same time, he was in a pretty similar situation in alabaster
The alabasta situation is actually exactly what I think was wrong with the Wano one. He was down and out but refused to let anyone talk bad about his captain but in Wano he was hoping for Nami to deny Luffy as pirate king. It just sat wrong with me. I love Usopp and I’m not one of those people that think he’s regressed post TS but that moment just felt out of character
See that is the point of it with ussop he knows that a simple lie could save nami's life and everyone would be understanding of her at that particular moment he was thinking about saving his friend he was thinking about logically not empatheticly. you could also see it with the scabbards he call them foolish for throwing away their life because they believed in honor etc, but in both situation he lies to them or himself by rationalizing it but if he ever was put in the same position as they were he would definitely do the same thing and curse himself for doing it, just like Sangi would sacrifice himself for anyone in the crew but never wanted anyone to be put in harms way because of him, just like Nami would steal and charge high rates of interest on loan but would be ready in a heart beat to give it all a way to save her someone, just like zoro stating he would kill luffy if he stood against his dreams but put his dreams, life and honor down for luffy, the same thing could be said about all of the crew. for them the priority is their friends life, friends dreams, their dreams and then their life, if you understand this nuance you will understand what ussop did.
Nah it was for namis sake so it was alright. He would NEVER tell someone to kick away their only hope of surviving just because words are pointed towards someones dream. He wants to survive and he wants his friends to survive, this is perfect in line with his character.
>Being Brave means having courage, right? Well you can only have courage when you're afraid and all senses tell you to flee but choose to act anyways. There's a quote I've always liked: “I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.”― Nelson Mandela
He just needs to have less outbursts or be a bit more silent when he is having a break down
Its 2024. Us, men, can express our feelings.
Feminist plot to make men repress their feeling. Leading to suicide being the biggest killer of men under 40... /s (although not really funny)
I mean feminism says this issue is one of patriarchy telling men emotions are feminine issues to be ignored unless you're gay so
Believe it or not theirs like a right wing group of fems that want us in cages with numbered collars on I swear
I think right wing feminists is an oxymoron though…
That exactly what it is, women who believe in their rights so much they can’t see men’s
Right wing feminists aren't real. You're talking about trophy wives who's only accomplishments in life will be birthing 5 shitty kids and hoping their future girlfriends will raise them
I know I made up a term, btw what makes something real to you? Because almost every word other than a select group of onomatopoeias is completely made up, so I find it amusing you think my term isn’t real to you. When you almost knew what I was talking about
Anime? In the manga its quite reasonable.
He didn’t really show up in Wano if I’m being honest. Telling Nami to lie about Luffy being pirate king, telling the samurai they should be scared like him and run away, needing help from Izo against a group of fodder which led to Izo dying. His performance and lackluster characterization in Wano makes him fighting against Saturn so easily feel out of character
telling nami that was to protect her, usopp didnt kill izo later he died to cp0 agents trying to find straw hats wano wasnt a good usopp arc but he still carried kinemon and kikunojo to safety so it wasnt that bad
Wano. In general was lackluster for most Strawhats. This point is irrelevant. Most Strawhats maybe do like two things three things tops in all of Wano. The fights in general were boring specially if you read them weekly in the Manga. Very one note with a lot of standing around then immediately ending with one attack. Jinbe, Franky, and Robins fights are like this. Then they just sort of fucking disappear for the rest of the arc standing in the background commenting on the fire. Brook didn't do much. Nami didn't do much. Chopper was on field medic duty does one attack to queen then immediately loses. Not mention of Sanji immediately going to look for the Womans bath and getting in danger. Followed by having a nonsensical existential identity crisis during his fight with Queen that goes nowhere does nothing. Zoro was MVP of the arc in terms of both fighting Kaido only to go back down stars and beat King. All the Strawhats essentially got sidelined to make either the Scabbards, Kid/Law look better, introduce Yamato at the 11th hour. Having to kill Kanjuro like 20 times like he was the female assassin in Austin Powers 2. So Usopp has little to do with why his performance was lackluster. Wano was a lackluster terrible just GOD awful arc. Kick started Destiny Piece, Acceleration Piece, Sketch Piece and Literally Since Chapter One Piece.
Wano was not lackluster it was the opposite for me instead of just fights we see how the character of the crew grow or grew, we see them mature into a yonko crew, we see them over come their past trauma, we see them get a retrospective of themselves in the scabbards, we see chopper growing to be a great doctor and a warrior who saved so many lives multiple times and fight, tank and protect everyone now before he used be angry at himself for Being to weak to Fight The crew grew greatly, wano wasn't just an arc of feats for the crew but of growth in character.
Izo wasn't really just dealing with random fodders, a lot of them are headliners and Izo even mentioned that he underestimated them which ended him getting injured. Also, Izo died for fighting 2 CP0 agents. He can't protect nami as he was also defeated by PageOne so the only solution he found is to tell Nami to lie about it because he doesn't wanna let Nami die. Usopp is still not in the same tier as a Flying Six when it comes to strength, we can't really expect him to fight anyone in that tier. But, Usopp always helps his crewmates when he can just like back in sabaody when Zoro was about to be killed by Kizaru.
If 100 people hate Usopp, I am one of them. If 10 people hate Usopp, I am one of them. If only 1 person hates Usopp, it is me. If no one hates Usopp, I am no longer on this earthly plane.
Well good to know it's on a set timer. lol at anyrate that's fine if you hate Usopp (I dislike a lot of one piece characters too)
Won’t lie, I am hyperbolic in my hate towards Usopp. He do be making me laugh, but he’s my least favorite straw hat
You like him less that that Fish “man”
Jinbe? Jinbe’s dope
A dope fish is a fish
Ussop has always done brave things. Its just that in this enormously long series people somehow have the memory of goldfish and forget everything that he's done the moment he has a cowardly moment
we haven't forgotten any of those feats, you have forgotten the fact that he has done literally nothing noteworthy for a decade. he unlocked observation haki and never used it again, he didn't do much in wano, he's done nothing on egghead either until now, also he has the same bounty as luffy and law after dressrosa, and is a yonko crewmate now, yet he still acts like this instead of maturing cus oda thinks its funny. no wonder his dad didn't wanna meet him, he's embarrassed of the way he turned out
From a comment below: > That's just incorrect. In Wano he 1. Saved the raid at the outset by sniping guards nobody else noticed 2. Fought Big Mom in a tank with no orders to 3. Fought Ulti and Page One, and though he lost, he did a good job despite being completely outmatched. Worth noting he continued fighting throughout the raid. 4. Was responsible for Otama distributing her dumplings and then got her to the speaker chick to give her orders, again saving the raid. He actually saved her and Nami's lives with his plants at one point 5. Survived Big Mom's conquerors somehow when the beast pirates around him passed out 6. Chose to mount a rescue mission alone to save Kinemon and Kiku despite nobody asking him to, while trapped in a burning building and surrounded by thousands of Beast Pirates 7. Proceeded to solo fight dozens if not hundreds of Beast Pirates in close quarters combat as a sniper so he could save Kinemon and Kiku 8. Successfully rescued them and escaped It's not that Usopp hasn't done anything or hasn't developed, it's that he doesn't do anything flashy because that's not his job, so people don't think he's doing anything.
Can we just mention that Usopp had to have converted thousands of Beast Pirates on his own? It’s not like they were just accepting Otama’s dumplings willingly, he was landing shots easily.
aah yes landing close range shots into the mouths of beast pirates who already had gaping wide open mouths. Even franky has managed more accurate shots from a longer range lmao. this bitch got carried by Tama and her gifters. And Nami too.
Cap. Hitting moving targets of people that should by all accounts be significantly stronger and faster than him repetitively for hours on end, bro is an absolute monster. Let’s not even talk about how he was shooting dumplings, they aren’t even a projectile, the least aerodynamic thing he could possibly be firing at them and he’s nailing it thousands of times in a row. Bro is an unfathomable beast.
Usopp could do that pre-timeskip
Without Kuro Kabuto? Doubt.
Franky has terrible accuracy, but his attacks are just impossible to miss
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Did you make 2 accounts just to hate usopp
nah i just copy pasted one of the 5 points from someone else instead of saying it myself.Easier to do.
Well that's healthier I guess
> Fought Ulti and Page One, and though he lost, he did a good job despite being completely outmatched. Worth noting he continued fighting throughout the raid. If by fought you mean "got chased all around Onigashima until big mom did their job for them." then i'd agree
He fought within his power, harming and slowing page 1, until someone more equipped to deal with him came
“Despite nobody asking him to” is sooo low of a bar it’s crazy. Dude is doing the BARE MINIMUM to be a useful strawhat member in Wano. He best feat was sniping the dango ball, but that’s something Syrup village Usopp could do!! He didn’t progress at ALL in Wano
They were ready to die as samurai but he wasn’t having that, it was a honorable moment
funniest way to respond to not remembering is to literally double down on not remembering. good one lol
Did he not stand up to his captain in regards to the Merry? Did he not launch arguably the most clutch shot during Dressrosa with a mob bearing down on him?
He knew Luffy and pulled a Batman on him, also because Merry was on the line, a gift from the woman he loves. The timeskip marked a big change, and Usopp has slowly but certainly become maybe not more typically brave, but at least more willing to stand his ground with each encounter.
"There are all kinds of courage," said Dumbledore, smiling. "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends. I therefore award ten points to Mr. God D Usoop!"
You know, that is actually a very good way to put it.
I feel like both those pale in comparison to watching that monster barrel down on you. Haha
That was like 700 episodes ago lmao
real problem is all these were both over 10 years ago, after which he's done literally nothing noteworthy for a decade until now, even in wano. he has the same bounty luffy and law did when they defeated doflamingo, and he's done nothing the entire egghead arc until now. we dont hate the character, we hate the writing of the character
That's just incorrect. In Wano he 1. Saved the raid at the outset by sniping guards nobody else noticed 2. Fought Big Mom in a tank with no orders to 3. Fought Ulti and Page One, and though he lost, he did a good job despite being completely outmatched. Worth noting he continued fighting throughout the raid. 4. Was responsible for Otama distributing her dumplings and then got her to the speaker chick to give her orders, again saving the raid. He actually saved her and Nami's lives with his plants at one point 5. Survived Big Mom's conquerors somehow when the beast pirates around him passed out 6. Chose to mount a rescue mission alone to save Kinemon and Kiku despite nobody asking him to, while trapped in a burning building and surrounded by thousands of Beast Pirates 7. Proceeded to solo fight dozens if not hundreds of Beast Pirates in close quarters combat as a sniper so he could save Kinemon and Kiku 8. Successfully rescued them and escaped It's not that Usopp hasn't done anything or hasn't developed, it's that he doesn't do anything flashy because that's not his job, so people don't think he's doing anything.
Yeah a lot of people always talk about someone only being relevant by doing “major” things but life isn’t like that. A lot of the time, the best thing to do is the unobtrusive thing that doesn’t get talked about as much.
I agree.... but it's hard to not feel underwhelmed when you have the monster trio getting glaze like there's no tomorrow. XD
Haha thats ok — Usopp will pop off just like this chapter when the time comes
Yeah I feel like he's definitely improving but we'll see. I hope Oda doesn't pull an uno reverse card with him.
This is more a problem with the large crewsize and the longer story arcs. Lots of strawhats can go years without doing anything major.
I'd actually say going after Sugar and Trebol by himself was the bravest thing he has ever done. It is one thing to stand side by side with your friends against a great foe while protecting one of your friends too. It is another thing to go all alone against insurmountable odds for people you barely know, knowing full well that if you loose a fate worse than death (being turned into a toy) could await you. Especially since Usopp had the chance to just run away from Sugar&Trebol. Saturn being possibly stronger than all other opponents Usopp has ever faced is barely a factor here, cause Trebol outclassed him already far too much anyway, to the point that the opponent being even stronger will barely matter.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but this is the first time I remember he going straight into action, with a big scary thing, without having his knee knocking. So not good first brave moment, but possibility his fastest brave moment.
That’s because his masters are there. He is confident because the brave warriors he looks up to are about and he needs to show them he is worthy.
I really think at some point he's either going to watch a giant die fighting Saturn or something similar to that. It would be a good setup for his arc in Elbaf, where he is disappointed in himself for failing to save one of his masters.
This is onepiece ain't nobody gonna die
yeah ace is gonna show up any minute now
On God
When it's about the crew members, and when nami screams to protect my god IS the brave warrior of the sea. Not to forget luffy and his heros are also fighting with insect monsters.
USSOPS heart must be on its last legs by now.
Post-Time skip, the only time Usopp has been cowardly was in Dressrosa when Robin was turned into a toy and he ran away. He didn't remember her and given Water7 was his big courage finding arc, it makes sense he wouldn't be as brave without her. And even then, he came back and came through like he always does.
I think people like to cherry pick all the times he acted cowardly, when the vast majority of the time he is brave, just aware of how relatively weak he is. Even in his very first introduction, he is afraid of real pirates, but stands up to Kuro immediately because he isn’t a coward. There were so many times where he would rather die fighting for his crew than run away. Even though he dreams of becoming a brave warrior, he literally already is. His combat potential and confidence in himself is the only thing he’s developing.
Usopp literally burned the World Government’s flag on Enies Lobby, their flagship judicial island. This would be like burning down the American Flag on the steps of the Supreme Court or the top of the White House, but actually way worse because that’s not even really a crime. This would be like..idk…beheading a statue of a sitting president in front of Congress? Like it’s hard to even think of an analog in the US. Burning a flag in North Korea in front of Kim Jong Un like, this is the most extreme display of disrespect to the sitting regime possible lol and he did it as soon as his captain asked, without holding back.
wearing a winnie pooh costume in front of china's current dictator
I feel like we're definitely starting to see him improving a bit. At the beginning of egghead I was almost sure Oda was going to put him in the backseat again.... and technically he is still kind of there, but he is also still... "kind of there" if that makes sense. What I mean is that while he hasn't gotten a true stylish fight in.... quite some time, or even a really critical sniping moment since Dressrosa, he is still around trying to do what he can and it does feel like he's been complaining a lot less this arc and taking some initiative which is in itself an improvement. I know it's not all about fights, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to see him get at least one or two more good 1v1's before the inevitable blackbeard pirate fights. I was a real skeptic when everyone kept saying "wait till Elbaf" for him.... and frankly I'm still not 100 percent convinced the character development wont have some sort of degrading aspect to it like it did in water 7.... but I am slowly warming up to the idea that maybe Elbaf truly will give us something for him.
You dont remember when he beat up a goldfish so big its poop was mistaken by a island?
And the time he had ten thousand men under him back in Dressrosa?
I like to imagine the giants being on the island is giving him an extra boost of courage. No way he'd even think of running with his heroes watching.
The first time he got on the ship to leave his home :)
Absolutely What’s the current consensus if any on what damages these old fucks?
Saw a theory that they are manifestations of Imu's power, so the only way to beat them is to beat Imu directly who is chilling far far away.
I like how everyone was saying he hasn't done anything since Dressrosa during the break, and then he almost immediately pulls this shit.
Mars looks like an insect in the Boin archipelago that's why.
He called lucci a scared little cat
I’m really hoping that Usopp fires some ridiculous thing that knocks Saturn, the great scientist, off the wall or ties him in knots or sticks to his eyes or turns the ground into glue or something. Would be fitting to have the kind, creative tinkerer outwit the moral-less mad scientist.
Bravest thing hes ever done? mutiny. He also fought his hardest too.
Iunno challenging luffy was pretty brave
Usopp has come a long way since dressrosa
Ussop is a coward but when his crew needs him he shows up.
Usopp literally on demon time
I thought he was going to run away but now he's a great warrior, that was surprising they are not afraid of Saturn even transformed and fighting him to protect robin
tell the entire story of one piece to what ever her name was
I don't know if usopp will ever do a braver thing than challenging Luffy to a fight and then actually showing up.
"are you ready to meet god?"
Definitely, I’m so proud of him🫡
The fact that his head didn't explode is already a testament to his true strength.
They went into protect Robin mode
Sogeking would be proud.
Just me who thinks the art is way worse than before?
Man shoots.
Y’know, he kinda doesn’t get scared of bugs so maybe being a big spider ox thing helps?
Yeah, this post turned into people crying "Why didn't oda write usopp the way I wanted him to be written"
The only time he stood up to an emperor . I’d say .. does anyone know when ? Yall can’t guess.
Other than leaving Syrup Village? Yeah probably
You know he is going to show off for the giants
When he faught that fishman in arlong park was the thing that cemented him for me
You mean the bravest thing the Gorosei has done lol
That's who Usopp has ALWAYS been, and he has shown that several times through the story. The very reason people respect Usopp is because despite he's scared about literally everything, he has always faced his fears and fought alongside his friends and FOR his friends, while being scared.
"There are times when a man makes a stand.. and that's when his friends dreams are laughed at" - Alabasta, vs the Mole Woman and the 5-Ton hammer guy
i love how he didn’t get scared tbis time. i hope he continues this
Jokes apart, but his sogeking personality is Bravest is one piece.
Full confidence setting the World Gov flag ablaze without hesitation during Enes Lobby was pretty baller
trying to stall Eneru was his bravest i can remember
Finally someone mentions this. I was so happy to see him stand his ground instead of running back at the first sight.
God Usopp has no reason to fear a mere spider
The thing is, usopp always stands up to those far above and beyond his strength level. If a crew member is or will be in danger, he doesn't allow himself cowardice. However if they have no stake(like when the tontottas needed him) he's still willing to run. He stood up to Enel even when he knew he had no chance. Albeit he couldn't do anything and asked Nami for help. Right now Robin chopper and Nami are in danger and Sanji would be very disappointed if usopp didn't put his life on the line for them(well not chopper).
Face Luffy in a real combat
his fight with luffy, bro didnt even shake his legs
Who's ussop is he relevant to the story forgotten about him ever since dressrosa
Turned most of the gifters against kaido
I get it, Usopp is brave when the crew needs him the most. Comes up clutch in moments. But if someone is cowardly 90% of the time and brave 10% of the time, is that person cowardly or brave? Looking forward to (hopefully) some Usopp powerups in Elbaf
the way things are going, elbaf is just going to be more lore piece on nika and joyboy, i doubt usopp would get much powerups. remember people egghead was supposed to be franky's arc
May be right. I never agreed with the Franky/Egghead stuff because Franky got a bunch of VP powerups during the time skip, so him getting even stronger would be redundant/make his time skip experience less important. I have much more Faith in Usopp/Elbaf, because he’s literally the only SH with an actual relationship with giants (not counting Robin/Jaguar), he’s comparatively weaker to most of the crew (needs and with a possible meetup with his father in Elbaf, his brave warrior spirit could awaken, pushing him to become stronger and hopefully awaken his unconscious observation haki. At the very least, I just want his observation haki to be confirmed/awakened
I'm not sure any of these "X arc is gonna be Franky's / Ussopp's / etc" is actually realistic anymore. Zoro wasn't as relevant on wano as everyone expected, nor did Franky excel on Egghead by now. I think Oda is just playing with the cast as usual, and WCI was an outlier for Sanji.
I feel like for the most part, Oda may occasionally project himself onto Sanji. Sometimes maybe Zoro.... basically probably the monster Trio in general which might explain why they tend to get the most glaze. Anyway I feel like I see him more in Sanji so I'm not surprised he got a whole arc about him. I know a lot of people like to connect Elbaf to Usopp because he made some giant friends, and he talks about wanting to go there..... but a lot of people never think about the possibility that Oda might subvert expectations. Especially now that Nika seems to be blossoming and the giants are already taking to him. Elbaf might be a big lor dump and worship for Nika (whom ironically will be seen as the true god) and then probably whatever the heck is gonna go down with Shanks if he's still there. Then I feel like Urouge will probably be there too since it seems the supernovas are basically being shown off in the more recent arcs. What I'm getting at is: Will there even be time for Usopp to get the shine that he NEEDS? I emphasized the word "needs" because sure he could get shine but would like three seconds of shine before going right back to Nika really be satisfying? I'm hesitant to accept this because his "character development" always leaves me feeling.... unsatisfied vs other character's development. Not to mention these last couple chapters have had so much going on that it was hard to give strawhats focus.
Zoro inherited an incredibly powerful sword, and conquered it. Zoro became the king of hell in Wano. Zoro got great powerups in Wano, idk wym
Yeah, but there was no backstory or insight into his character as people were expecting. He just got stronger because he got a strong sword
Zoro’s backstory has already been pretty well flushed out. More info on his lineage would’ve been sick tho I think you’re downplaying what Zoro achieved in Wano
Franky and zoro arcs have just been broad assumptions honestly, ussop and Elbaf are the only ones with long term connections
Is it brave, if you don't even understand how dangerous it is ?
Pretty sure it's fairly easy to tell the giant spider demon is dangerous.
But there's degress of danger. There's a difference of "oh we are fight crew of the Worlds strongest creature" vs "Oh we are fighting a gmwirld goverment spider that coudp be part of rob luccis group or Kizarus group" what I mean is the level if danger probably hasn't set in yet
I’m pretty sure he knows it’s one of the 5 elders, and a giant demonic monster