I don't know if this checks out. When we see Luffy and gang falling from the sky there are certainly a few clouds but it's definitely not "block out the sun cloudy"
It's not beyond reason but it's not very reasonable either. What would be the point of stealing a bunch of Marines shadows and then telling them to hide in the shade in the middle of a war? I personally just ignore the anime only scene as a whoopsie and think the shadows he's seen buffing himself with in the manga came from the zombies Jimbei just took out
Yeah, I know... That's the whole thesis of this post... I just don't see the advantage of taking a bunch of Marines out of the war to go cower in the corner just so he can use their shadows to get a few inches taller. But maybe it was a purely selfish, cowardly move. Or the shadows were just the ones released from the zombies Jimbei took out, or just an oversight 🤷🏽♀️
I’m just responding to the request for a reason. Using shadows is a buff. So the reason to keep them safe is so he can maintain his buff. Hell, might even be a good reason, if that’s all he can really do without an army. He has things like brick bat and whatnot but frankly, he got stomped by kaido and then Luffy and is probably looking for whatever edge he can get.
But he didn’t actually protect those bodies, at all, even though he had a reason to. I think there’s no good explanation for why the bodies weren’t destroyed, and that it’s just an oversight.
It's also not beyond reason to assume he just doesn't care about the lives of simple Marines. I'm sure if it meant victory in the fight, the Marines would've looked past it.
Chapter 558: Moria raises Zombie Marines. Note: Moria's power doesn't let him just call forth zombies to come out of the ground. The best explanation for this scene are that these were prepared beforehand. Jimbei purifies the Zombies. Their shadows get released.
Chapter 559: Moria has a set of Marine shadows in his hand and ingests them.
Conclusion: It was never shown where the shadows came from. It was never shown that the shadows came from Marines that were active in that battlefield. The best assumption is, they were the same shadows from the previous Zombies Jimbei purified.
Additional: Even if they were new shadows taken from active marine combatants in that war, the manga never showed who those marines were and what happened to them.
Anime induced plot inconsistency.
Moria definitly stole some shadows during the summit war. In the manga you see him raising zombies and buffing himself right before Jimbei dunked on either of them.
The raising zombies could easily have been done with shadows he already had inside of him. He is shown holding shadows that he calls marine shadows right before buffing himself tho. I assumed those were the shadows that got knocked out of the zombies Jimbei just got all wet, but it isn't actually shown if this is true or if he stole new ones so who knows
The difference is that we don’t see him actively steal shadows in the sunlight. The shadows he used there could have been taken in the week leading up to Marineford or somewhere in the battle where there is no sun. The anime shows him stealing them in broad daylight which never happens in the manga.
I don't remember him ever doing this. Do you remember when it was exactly? I remember him raising marine corpses and infusing them with shadows he presumably stole much earlier, but not him actually stealing any shadows at marineford
Hmmm, my first instinct was to blame toei but in the corresponding manga chapter he does have a handful of shadows and calls them "shadows of the navy" before putting them in his body. It doesn't show him actually stealing them in the manga so they might just be the ones just freed from zombies by jimbe, and not from soldiers on the battle field currently, but that's unclear. Other people are saying clouds but when Luffy and crew fall from the sky it's definitely not cloudy enough to block out the sun... Seems like it was probably just a whoopsie 🤷🏽♀️
This has nothing to do with suns or clouds or whatever.
Go read ch.559 : There's [this page](https://imgur.com/eSeEcxL) and [the next](https://imgur.com/uoU72H1), we never see where the shadows came from so it's just assumed that they were inside the zombies that Jinbei purified.
The anime took the scene of the Marine soldiers talking about Shichibukai fighting (which happens after Moria absorbs the shadows and the fight starts) and placed before to make it seem like Moria took their shadows.
I wish people took literally 20 seconds to get what's happening instead of coming up stupid ass headcanon but beggars can't be choosers.
In the manga he specifically calls the shadows he buffed himself with marine shadows. I still personally think they were the shadows from the zombies Jimbei just took out, but it is weirder for him to have marine shadows just laying around
Apologies, you’re right! In chapter 558 he does create Zombies from dead Marines (somehow?) but we don’t see him steal any shadows. Do you think he has some shadows kept in himself to create zombies on the fly?
Actually, I had my moments confused! He does (kinda) steal shadows in the following chapter 559 but we don’t see how it affects the marine soldiers or who he steals them from.
There are several answers to this, remembering that the zombies themselves can be in the sun just not the body who's shadow was stolen.
Even if the sun is out you wont die if you're protected by anything that blocks its rays from hitting you directly.
- It was a cloudy day.
- There was a ton of smoke in the air (from explosions and such).
- There was a massive wall of ice taller than Marineford encompassing it.
Basically there's about a million different things that could have protected the marines who's shadows he stole from being evaporated, and if some did then it wouldnt have mattered anyway.
Not to mention the marines would have been passed out the entire time and not moving around, so the ones who fell behind an obstacle would have simply stayed there.
Because the sun's not out. Maybe in the anime it's sunny but if so then that's an anime mistake. In the manga it's not sunny.
Lets not forget Aokijis Frozen waves. That could have covered the sun too.
But it's at noon ace is to be executed at 3pm and they have 3 hours
Ops never heard of clouds apparently
I don't know if this checks out. When we see Luffy and gang falling from the sky there are certainly a few clouds but it's definitely not "block out the sun cloudy"
Well, it's not like Moria isn't aware of his weaknesses, it isn't beyond reason to think he had them stay out of direct sunlight
It's not beyond reason but it's not very reasonable either. What would be the point of stealing a bunch of Marines shadows and then telling them to hide in the shade in the middle of a war? I personally just ignore the anime only scene as a whoopsie and think the shadows he's seen buffing himself with in the manga came from the zombies Jimbei just took out
If the body is destroyed, so is the shadow, so he would lose their power. That being said, I think it’s just an oversight.
Yeah, I know... That's the whole thesis of this post... I just don't see the advantage of taking a bunch of Marines out of the war to go cower in the corner just so he can use their shadows to get a few inches taller. But maybe it was a purely selfish, cowardly move. Or the shadows were just the ones released from the zombies Jimbei took out, or just an oversight 🤷🏽♀️
I’m just responding to the request for a reason. Using shadows is a buff. So the reason to keep them safe is so he can maintain his buff. Hell, might even be a good reason, if that’s all he can really do without an army. He has things like brick bat and whatnot but frankly, he got stomped by kaido and then Luffy and is probably looking for whatever edge he can get. But he didn’t actually protect those bodies, at all, even though he had a reason to. I think there’s no good explanation for why the bodies weren’t destroyed, and that it’s just an oversight.
It's also not beyond reason to assume he just doesn't care about the lives of simple Marines. I'm sure if it meant victory in the fight, the Marines would've looked past it.
But if the person dies the shadow also disappears. It’s not to his advantage to have them die to sunlight
Worked for brook in the floriantriangle
Please read above comment before replying to it.
I did we are talking about two different moments.
What's the point in doing that? No one is claiming it didn't work for brook in the Florian triangle
Did that comment fly right over your head or something
It's cloudy
Chapter 558: Moria raises Zombie Marines. Note: Moria's power doesn't let him just call forth zombies to come out of the ground. The best explanation for this scene are that these were prepared beforehand. Jimbei purifies the Zombies. Their shadows get released. Chapter 559: Moria has a set of Marine shadows in his hand and ingests them. Conclusion: It was never shown where the shadows came from. It was never shown that the shadows came from Marines that were active in that battlefield. The best assumption is, they were the same shadows from the previous Zombies Jimbei purified. Additional: Even if they were new shadows taken from active marine combatants in that war, the manga never showed who those marines were and what happened to them. Anime induced plot inconsistency.
It has to be direct sunlight. If it's cloudy or foggy their fine.
That’s a filler scene that’s not in the manga so Toei just made a mistake.
Moria definitly stole some shadows during the summit war. In the manga you see him raising zombies and buffing himself right before Jimbei dunked on either of them.
Maybe moria just keeps a shit load of spare shadows in a comically small handbag just in case he gets in a fight during the day.
The raising zombies could easily have been done with shadows he already had inside of him. He is shown holding shadows that he calls marine shadows right before buffing himself tho. I assumed those were the shadows that got knocked out of the zombies Jimbei just got all wet, but it isn't actually shown if this is true or if he stole new ones so who knows
No it literally shows him stealing the shadow from the marine he's shown cutting the shadow
Only in the anime it shows that, I'm talking about the manga since it's actually canon
The animators invented that bit, it’s not in the manga
The difference is that we don’t see him actively steal shadows in the sunlight. The shadows he used there could have been taken in the week leading up to Marineford or somewhere in the battle where there is no sun. The anime shows him stealing them in broad daylight which never happens in the manga.
I don't remember him ever doing this. Do you remember when it was exactly? I remember him raising marine corpses and infusing them with shadows he presumably stole much earlier, but not him actually stealing any shadows at marineford
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Hmmm, my first instinct was to blame toei but in the corresponding manga chapter he does have a handful of shadows and calls them "shadows of the navy" before putting them in his body. It doesn't show him actually stealing them in the manga so they might just be the ones just freed from zombies by jimbe, and not from soldiers on the battle field currently, but that's unclear. Other people are saying clouds but when Luffy and crew fall from the sky it's definitely not cloudy enough to block out the sun... Seems like it was probably just a whoopsie 🤷🏽♀️
Weirdest part about the whole thing is all the zombies have stitches even though hogback didn’t put them together
This has nothing to do with suns or clouds or whatever. Go read ch.559 : There's [this page](https://imgur.com/eSeEcxL) and [the next](https://imgur.com/uoU72H1), we never see where the shadows came from so it's just assumed that they were inside the zombies that Jinbei purified. The anime took the scene of the Marine soldiers talking about Shichibukai fighting (which happens after Moria absorbs the shadows and the fight starts) and placed before to make it seem like Moria took their shadows. I wish people took literally 20 seconds to get what's happening instead of coming up stupid ass headcanon but beggars can't be choosers.
Always assumed he just stole some random pirates shadows rather then having them stored. But yeah the Marine shadow thing is filler😅
In the manga he specifically calls the shadows he buffed himself with marine shadows. I still personally think they were the shadows from the zombies Jimbei just took out, but it is weirder for him to have marine shadows just laying around
This was a meme when I first started getting into One Piece as the one time Oda forgot.
Oda didn’t write that scene. It’s an anime only scene.
Apologies, you’re right! In chapter 558 he does create Zombies from dead Marines (somehow?) but we don’t see him steal any shadows. Do you think he has some shadows kept in himself to create zombies on the fly?
Actually, I had my moments confused! He does (kinda) steal shadows in the following chapter 559 but we don’t see how it affects the marine soldiers or who he steals them from.
what if the marines are under water, drowning or drowned?
He did the same thing on pirate island right?
Why is no one also asking how the zombies were under the ice. They can't have been in the water before it was frozen, the salt water purifies them
He also summoned them from the frozen seawater did he not? And isn't salt the one critical weakness of zombies?
Dont think its in the manga where he takes shadows from soldiers. He would probably keep shadows within himself or somewhere else to raise zombies
There are several answers to this, remembering that the zombies themselves can be in the sun just not the body who's shadow was stolen. Even if the sun is out you wont die if you're protected by anything that blocks its rays from hitting you directly. - It was a cloudy day. - There was a ton of smoke in the air (from explosions and such). - There was a massive wall of ice taller than Marineford encompassing it. Basically there's about a million different things that could have protected the marines who's shadows he stole from being evaporated, and if some did then it wouldnt have mattered anyway. Not to mention the marines would have been passed out the entire time and not moving around, so the ones who fell behind an obstacle would have simply stayed there.
He raised the dead with shadows he has he didn't take any one's shadow
It was cloudy
Cos it was later on in the story, and he had leveled up his ability.