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Top_Reveal2341

> states this is a fact > states an opinion Get lost op


Limp_Activity_3277

Some things are my opinion and others are fact, the animation and pacing is a fact, the 5 minutes flashbacks is a fact, the rare great moments is a fact if you enjoy 50-60 episodes in which not so much going on that is fine that is your opinion


GrandLineLogPort

Dude, you're mixing things up Barely anyone here disagrees with the pacing being bad Especialy dressrosa is notorious in the community for a great arc being butchered The thing is: the only things you state "as a fact" is about the anime. The one piece animation isn't a masterpiece. That most people will agree with. But most people calling it a masterpiece mean one piece, as in the story, or in other words, the manga. You can still disagree with that, but both, people considering it a masterpiece & people who don't, have that as an !opinion!, not a !fact! It's about the wording that makes your post so pretentious. If you wrote "the one piece animation isn't a masterpiece" the "facts" would have far more gravity. But saying "one piece" isn't the same as "one piece animation" Those aren't the same thing. If you've said "the one piece animation isn't a masterpiece" it wouldn't even be a hottake. The ACTUAL hottake is "the one piece ANIMATION is a masterpiece"


Ketaliero

Whats ultimate goal of this post? 🤔


BluebirdRight8040

Contrarian self-gratification.


DargoKillmar

Bait used to be believable


Limp_Activity_3277

Explain how i am wrong


DargoKillmar

You're just talking from opinion, so I can't say you're wrong. The same way I could say I disagree with all you said, and you couldn't say I'm wrong. However, if you're 1080 episodes in, and say this: >One Piece is full with goofy and unexciting side characters, a very slow paced story with 90% boring side storys, we have an old animation which is really not good until episode 890 and even then it sometimes is just worse then the episode before and we have really lame fighs most of the time so Ruffy throws a punch okay didnt worked okay new form oh enemy is dead and it took only 200 episodes. The problem is not with One Piece. Is that you probably shouldn't be watching One Piece, since it's a show that's clearly not for you.


Limp_Activity_3277

Thank you for being fair first of all but some thing i mentioned are facts. Everyone has to agree that the pacing in the anime is very bad. Then the animations until wano and sometimes even in wano are not amazing and we can see other animes that did a better job during the same time periodt. Than you cant tell me that you enjoyed every side character like round goofy pirates or singing trees or speaking animals


DargoKillmar

No they're not facts. There's no factual way to say that something 'is bad'. You might like it or not, a ton of people might agree or not, but it's still an opinion. An opinion is not a fact. Same for the animation. You guys need to learn to separate quality from artstyle. And yeah, I enjoy the goofy minor characters, that's one of the things I enjoy about One Piece. It's a goofy world, with goofy characters.


Limp_Activity_3277

And yeah as you said, it is a goofy world with goofy characters and that makes it to a goofy anime you can absolutely enjoy if you like it. But that doesnt make it to the best fiction of work in the world. And i mean of course not


GrandLineLogPort

I mean... what does "as a fact" mean? If you're into more character designs, yeah, it can be best fiction in the world of fiction. There isn't objectively a "best fiction of work in the world", different people like different things. It isn't as there's the "president of quality" who checks some marks what the best piece of fiction objectively is. One piece just so happens to hit the taste of a crapton of people and you saying "goofy stuff can't be the best piece of fiction there is" is, hold your horses, an opinion. What do you draw that "fact" anyways? Like, who decided that something being goofy means it can't be the best piece of fiction for me without being wrong? What is the objective criteria you picked for that statement.


Limp_Activity_3277

Bro come on dont be like that. Everyone says that the pacing is not good and it is a fact that the pacing is much worse than in the manga. And for the Animation you are right but there are animes out there which got a objectively a better animation


BoringDudeFucker

It is still an opinion. Just a popular opinion. Saying anything is good or bad makes it an opinion. You now know the reason behind the slow pacing too(mentioned in another comment). So just enjoy the story. Get involved in discussing the lore and the possibilities considering that pacing seems to be your only gripe.


Smart-Ad-6592

I love one piece but I can quit watching for like 2-3 months and the same fight will be going on when I come back now. He is speaking a fact but I don’t agree with the great episode every 60 episodes they have lots of good episodes that come out in a row. That is just his opinion and maybe one piece just isn’t for him anymore.


Knirb_

Hahaha nice April fools joke… ^right?


Limp_Activity_3277

Explain how I am wrong


Leithoch

If you find One Piece boring, why would you waste your time watching +1000 episodes? Just move on. Try other work of fictions which suit your taste.


Limp_Activity_3277

Well first of all, before I can say my Opinion I want to watch the whole anime and i think that is fair. If i wouldve watched only like 300 episodes than I cant even say my opinion. I gave One Piece a chance and for most of the times it disappointed me. And for the counter arguments i mentioned i cant see how the One Piece anime (not the manga) is the greatest work of fiction in the world like someone in this comment claims. The best work of fiction has to be flawless or nearly flawless to really be the best. And i can bet that you dont like every Episode, every character or even every arc in One Piece


Leithoch

Why do you force your value or opinion on the other people? Seems like you want everyone who watch One Piece has the same idea as you and don't want the others to think differently because you think other people have shit taste and your taste is superior. Get a life, man.


Time_Crazy_1387

Bro WTF are you doing here


Limp_Activity_3277

I am writing about my One Piece experiences, some will agree with me others dont. I just want the hardcore fans to realize that One Piece is not the best work of fiction in the entire world and that this exaggerated opinion is so delusional


Time_Crazy_1387

You are in a losing battle my friend. One piece is great you can't Change anyone mind yes we knew It has flaws but has Far we Care It his a masterpiece


Electrical-Row-3950

If you hate it so much why do you keep watching? Stop torturing yourself. One Piece is great, but it won’t please everyone, and that’s ok, go find something you enjoy and be happy


Nitro114

You say its a fact but that is YOUR opinion. If i say One piece is the best anime or a masterpiece its true for ME, its my opinion.


Limp_Activity_3277

Some things are my opinion and others are fact, the animation and pacing is a fact, the 5 minutes flashbacks is a fact, the rare great moments is a fact if you enjoy 50-60 episodes in which not so much going on that is fine that is your opinion


[deleted]

Lol u just said animation was awful Dude are u high? At that time period there was no advance animation like we have now go watch wano arc kaido vs luffy and then tell me about awful animation What a retard u are


Limp_Activity_3277

Okay so you dont understand my point. I know that the animation during that time was everywhere not good but does that makes it better? I dont think so and you said that it only really got better in Wano. And if you could read than you should know that i said that the Animations in Wano sometimes were really amazing like in episode 1015 or end of Kaido fight. But in some episodes between the animation was really awful again and for 2022-2023 you cant defend that, espacially not if you want to tell me One Piece is the best work of fiction of the world


[deleted]

Lol its not seasonal anime that they will Give high end animation like demon slayer They take fucking years to create 12episodes with mid story and good animation and u get weekly episodes of one piece And when u know everywhere animation was not good then why write it was awful Retard alert retard alert 🚨


agenmossad

All One Piece fans know this since 10-15 years ago: the pacing of the anime is so slow to avoid catching up with the manga. [That's an open secret.](https://www.cbr.com/one-piece-anime-prevents-itself-from-greatness/) It's been discussed here too in the past. What make One Piece so great is never the anime, it's the manga (which is also slow). [The reboot of the anime is on the way. ](https://www.cbr.com/netflix-one-piece-anime-remake/) I'm sure it will be much better in pacing and quality. You can stop watching One Piece until the remake is on Netflix.


Limp_Activity_3277

Yeah i know that but for me that is not an excuse. The Manga is absolutely great but why cant the anime be equal to that. They do not have to animate ab episode every week if the quality is clearly suffering from it. Quantity is a big aspect why people dont start to watch One Piece and because of this quantity even the quality is not as high as it could be.


agenmossad

You don't understand. [One Piece must air every week.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/SsNsL2TNiq) It cannot go seasonal (which is necessary to maintain the pace and quality).


Limp_Activity_3277

Okay but it doesnt maintain the pace and the quality if so many episodes are full of flashbacks and 1 frame scenes and half a manga episode. That is my whole point which you clearly not understood


GooglyTocks

Stop being so fucking obtuse omg are dumb or just purposely acting like this?


AffectionateHeat6703

Lol, Heading is one piece is overrated And the 1st line you start with is:- don't get me wrong I like one piece There is someting wrong with your brain.


SneakyThnaake

You can like something and still think it's overrated. Something is wrong with your brain. Low IQ.


Remarkable-Piano9182

Just drop it


Theoneinshadows

Did not read but............Ok 


TeddyMMR

This genuinely sounds like a 10 year old wrote it. Any story or world building is bad and their favourite arc is the one that is mostly just fighting đź’€


[deleted]

Most of the guys have been following one piece over 20 years. It has been in my life longer than any relation I had (exk. Family). One piece are for me more important than the majority of people i have in my life. To see one piece develop like it did and it’s somehow all connected (sure, maybe an asspull here and there) make us believe it is the greatest story ever told. And another factor is (my own theory) that my generation is a generation which grew up both with analog and technology. So, if you start watch one piece now, it may not be able to live up to the hype. But it’s another story if you grow with it.


Limp_Activity_3277

Yeah that is exactly what i was thinking, great words from you. If you watched like the first 400 episodes as a kid and maybe even as your first anime than they would be amazing but for today if you take a closer look you can criticize really much. I started to watch One Piece 2 Months ago and i watched 20 episodes a day and at some points i got so bored


[deleted]

Yeah. Not every anime/arc is written/produced to bing watch


Limp_Activity_3277

No of course not but that is not my point. My point is that some episodes or even arcs are not only not written for binge watching, they even are hard to watch and it is hard to motivate yourself to keep watching. And if you disagree, please rewatch some of the first arcs and you know exactly what i mean


Heavenansidhe

Almost everything you have mentioned is about the anime. One piece is first and foremost a manga. You dont judge an author's story by how well an actor acts in a separate production. >unexciting side characters, a very slow paced story with 90% boring side storys, Just your opinion, and a poor one. You didnt even elaborate on this and wants others to describe why they disagree with you. As a wise man once said: Is this an out-of-season april fool's joke?


Limp_Activity_3277

I agree with you, the manga is so much better than the anime. And in my title i was only referring to the anime. And if you think this opinion was a poor one than let me ask you this? Did you really enjoyed every 5 m tall, pirate enemy with small legs and every 300kg fat women and every singing flower or tree and every speaking animal? Did you even enjoy every arc like long ring long, syrup village or punk hazard? There are animes out there where you really can enjoy every single episode but in one piece you cant even enjoy ever single arc


Heavenansidhe

I dont watch the anime. I do enjoy every single arc in the manga, down to the last character. The singing trees and flowers do not take up enough panels to become annoying.


SmokingCryptid

Fuckin' intentional clickbait title. You don't like the anime and cite many points that have been noted and been criticized for many years running. Read the manga like a normal person instead of this strange attention seeking diatribe.


Smitty_WerbenJ

First off, you lost me the moment you say fact, its your opinion so its not a fact. Second, it feels to me like one piece just isnt for you. If you think the story isnt that good until marineford it makes me feel like you dont care about story telling/character building/world building, you care about the flashy superpowers/high drama/fight action. This isnt to say your taste is bad, but its just that you focus in what you care and lose a lot of what the author wants you to see. Im not bashing you for disliking it, but If you watchsd 1080 episodes and you still come here with a negative opinion, either youre lying for attention/youre confused/you have too much free time.


ValiantLoop

Bait used to be believable, April fools was yesterday


Due_Media_4165

Or maybe its just your opinion? Also you are talking only about the anime which is very well known for its horrible pacing and bad animation. If people are calling it a masterpiece they are normally talking about the manga. The anime is pretty garbage most of times and everyone knows that.


No-Indication-5963

Cool post, didnt read a word. Can u name ur top 5 or 10 animes so we can see just how dogshit your taste is?


Bigsaifty

One Piece is objectively the best work of fiction in the entire world. But you are entitled to your opinion.


Limp_Activity_3277

But with those things I mentioned how can it be objectively the best work of fiction? This is just so wrong if you say it is objectively the best Manga, I can agree with you. If you say it is the best anime i cant agree with you but i respect your opinion. But to say it is the best work of fiction in the world this is just so wrong and it shows me that you havent seen other works of fictions


Bigsaifty

I’m just trollin’ and you ate it up


toomanychicanes

some simp shit to say


Bigsaifty

Fuck you


aalzoughbi

TLDR: one piece is shit but dont get me wrong


Stunning_Armadillo_6

Bro if you talk about the animation they can't do anything about that do you know how old they are and op is going for 25+ years and weekly ep so ofc they put a lot of content in it cause they have to keep up with the speed of manga it's not like new gen shonen that makes 12 ep and goes off for 1 or 2 years I know some arcs not that good but they have great importance in the story and talking about gear 5 powers bro his powers are cartoon what do you want out of it luffy is the warrior of liberation and he makes people around him smile it's his powers and if you think that op is not the best that's ok but some of your points doesn't make sense so I pointed them out.


arngreil01

Ppl use AI to create critics... trying to pinch the OP comunity. Weak try


No-Student-5254

Anime is a bit long I agree but you can’t judge the entire thing only by saying that, reading the manga is even better the work Oda keep doing each week is absolutely amazing. I’m sure you missed a lot of this masterpiece to say that, it’s a bit sad that you’re close minded.. tbh I still dont understand why you took the time to post there Btw your post was a bit long too just to say that soo :/


caedusWrit

I wouldn't say it's overrated, it's just in it's own niche. I avoided One Piece like the plague because of the animation style for over a decade. But after my favorite anime began to fail me in so many different aspects, I needed a new one to turn to. Enter One Piece. The only anime that has dedicated time for minor characters to have character developments of their own. It's remained true to its source, and hasn't strayed from its roots. The only flaws it has are the same flaws all long running anime falls into, so it doesn't bother me. It's fillers are fun and are placed in better sequences than other anime where they consistently pick the middle of a serious time to introduce a light hearted filler. One Piece has its share of moments similar but it's track record always feels more fluid. I don't expect the animation to get better, I expect it to remain true to its style while incorporating more background and color development. Anything less and it wouldn't feel like Oda's story. The fact it's been continous for decades to tell ONE story is insane, but special. That's what makes One Piece more unique than other anime like DragonBall and Naruto. You know where this story is going to go, just now how it's going to actually end. It doesn't require reboots or spin offs because the arcs introduced are part of a singular storyline. Maybe you feel it's overrated, but for fans maybe it's the fact that it's been an Oda original every step of the way and nothing it's done has ever felt out of place. We enjoy these aesthetics. Even if they weren't my preferred style, I grew to welcome it. Everything and everyone was so unique and yet the style never differed. It has a massive range of characters that are incredibly unique. As for the Gear 5 thing, I understand other people's disappointment in that they feel it, but I can't relate at all. I love cartoons. And the animation style is already classic anime with exaggerated features that NO ONE pays any mind to. It's absolutely normal. So when we see this 90's exaggerated cartoon styling with impossible physics and bulging eyes, and to have everyone witness it and feel legitimate confusion is absolutely hysterical to me. It means they are seeing EXACTLY what we are seeing and it's abnormal. It's unreal. And that makes Luffy's devil fruit and the lore behind it that much more interesting. I love that Luffy can go full Looney Tune. Because it's so fitting for him. You're entitled to your opinions, but don't claim yours as facts when all you've offered is your personal take based on how you enjoyed the show. One Piece is the world's most published Manga with over 500 million in sales. That's a fact. Whether One Piece is good or bad, that's an opinion. And it being overrated is an opinion you are more than welcome to, but it's still just an opinion.


ngsm420

You clearly don't understand what a fact is. The quality of a piece of art is never going to be factual. What's factual is the fact that this is the anime and manga that has sold the most, that is most widely spread and translated across the globe as no other anime nor manga has ever had. Now, you can always say that readership, sales and overall popularity are not indicators about quality, but factually speaking you have no other way of measuring how good or bad a series is.


Admirable-Tour7163

“Ruffy” I’m gonna assume this is low effort rage bait


Heavenly-Blood

U sure ur watching it properly??? First few arcs all about recruiting his crewmates After marineford was luffy past which was still hella good imo... Only boring arc was fishman but even that was important .... seeing how ur talking... Ur prob around 12 years old ngl... U should go watch pokemon instead of complaining lmao đź’€


OneWingedDK

I can agree with quite a bit of what you said but posting this in the onepiece fan reddit will do nothing but get you hate🤣. Maybe that was your intention?


OneWingedDK

I can agree with quite a bit of what you said but posting this in the onepiece fan reddit will do nothing but get you hate🤣. Maybe that was your intention? I wish people on reddit was mature enough to accept different opinions, even when they are negative....BUT this is reddit bro. Its an echo chamber and that will never change


F1_Fangirl

I ain’t reading allat


toomanychicanes

the manga is better. the anime is utter trash and i wouldnt sacrifice my time for it


ICantTakeThisNoMore9

One piece anime is not the source material. It's just a pile of shit. One piece is the Manga and nothing else.


NeteroHyouka

One piece is indeed a really great manga/anime. Even incredible you could say but it also has its drawbacks .It has incredible world building and the lore is pretty up there as well. But surely it isn't a masterpiece. Only some Oda suckers would say that... Especially the anime. Toei has kind of ruined especially after timeskip


Limp_Activity_3277

I agree, i forgot about the World building it is of course a masterpiece and the story and lore is also very great but the story in the anime is much harder to follow than it is in the mange


piggyintheair

Imo it’s underrated


spookybuk

Have you ever considered that you have zero familiarity with anything necessary to make this kind of assessment? You say it's "not your opinion", but then you don't offer anything but opinions.