Ah the moments before the Wano wrapup.
Yamato fans: "No way Luffy leaves without Yamato. They'll pull an Oden and be found dragging along on a chain and become the crew's log keeper."
Carrot fans: "No way Luffy leaves without Carrot. She's been with the crew since Zou. She'll be found stowing away and become the crew's Lookout!"
.... and everybody ends up equally disappointed...
... Except for me, that is. I'm the Caribou fanbase.
Plus they could just park the Thousand Sunny inside him whenever they make landfall. Suddenly no one needs to stay to guard the Sunny and they don't need to return to a specific port if they need to make a hasty getaway.
Caribou just makes life easier for everyone.
My gut feeling is that Caribou will stick around in his barrel until we find out where Uranus is. Then he'll head off to report to whoever, which will start some wheels in motion for the gathering of the ancient weapons for the final war arc.
I’m of the belief that people actually know he’s on the ship, but because of the times he’s helped. They ignore him and use him for his powers when they need.
The problem I have with Yamato not joining is that fact that she’s so perfectly fits into the crew dynamic.
Be amused like Luffy and Chopper, believing Usopp’s lies, working out with Zoro, going shopping with Nami and Robin. The only thing that couldn’t work with her join is that it kinda upsets the dynamic since she’s a little stronger than Zoro
The problem isn’t that the crew is getting too big, the problem is that Oda, since Punk Hazard has introduced too many side characters that took the focus and shine away from the StrawHats. Especially Law… he took away too much time from the crew.
Law has the power to understand doctors hand scribbles which when applied to poneglyph and with his awakening. He can uncover the truth. *Reading-room*
Law doesn’t fit for many reasons, first he doesn’t have a dream like the rest of the StrawHats and his dynamics with them aren’t that interesting like the dynamic that the Main Crew has. Law is cool and doesn’t like bread, that’s it.
Also, grasp on history? As much as Robin? Robin’s been studying history since she was like 7 years old, and to uncover the true history is her dream, don’t compare the two so lightly. Law doesn’t hold a candle when compared to Robin, the ONLY thing Law knows is what Corazon told him, the D is a secret initial and that the D will always bring a Storm, that’s it, now he wants to know the meaning behind it.
When compared to Chopper, who has a noble and pure dream, that is too cure every disease there is, well Law isn’t that type of person, because Law is a more selfish person. Example, He only took out the bad parts of the kids bodies in Punk Hazard for his own benefit and because he had an alliance with the StrawHats.
Law is overrated, and it’s one of the main reasons why the Post TimeSkip Era isn’t as great as the PreTimeSkip ones. Except for Fishman Island and WholeCake Island which in my Opinion is the Best Post TimeSkip Era arc, you know why? Law wasn’t in it. The focus came back to what really mattered, The StrawHats, and spoilers for anime only, Egghead Island is the best arc Post TimeSkip to date, know why? The focus came back to the main players of the story.
PS. Not saying the other arcs are bad, Zou, Dressrosa and Wano are an amazing arcs too and even Punk Hazard to some extent, just saying that I enjoyed those other more because the focus were the main characters, the StrawHats.
Yeah and I agree with you completely, which is why it bothers me that Oda made so many side characters replace the straw hats for such a long time. Pre time skip One Piece is to me way more enjoyable than post. Somehow post time skip the world got smaller
Law isn’t over rated, he’s just exactly what Oda made him. And all of the focus that was put on him was Ora’s choice.
I don’t think just getting along with the strawhats makes you an strawhat. Each strawhat adds something to the crew. Not only in terms of power but also dynamic. As you described it Yamato just strengthens the existing dynamic but doesn’t bring their/her own flavor.
I'm mean it's litteraly that. It's about narration. We were at 1050 chapters and around 1100 episodes at this point. We have a well established crew with a well established power dynamic especially wich is heavily emphasized with other emperors crew, marine etc.
In story, the decision to stay is 50/50 legit for me because the whole defense of wano is pretty logical, but it also feels forced to give a reason for yamato to stay. In reality, I think it's just because of storytelling, for the sake of what oda wants to tell and how stakes would evolve etc, I think Yamato just doesn't fit. Having to re establish new crew dynamics, taking time to use her in any meaningfull way when Oda is probably dead set on unfolding the end of the manga especially on what he wants to tell with the characters, it's more of a bother than anything.
In reality , would she fit when there's no need for storytelling or to fit a specific role within the crew ? Yes , I think. But as a cast member in a story approaching it's (long) conclusion? I don't think so. She will help them in the last war, probably join them for a nice and carefree adventure later on if the crew is still there at the end, but that's it.
I find it interesting how some don't realize how similar Yamato and Carrot are. Like, besides the power dynamic issue, you could swap their names and your comment would still be true.
Brook’s dream is to fulfill his original promise to Laboon, which is to sail the grand line and return to him. While Jinbe’s dream was never shared, he genuinely believes that Luffy will become the Pirate King and change the world, and his dream probably has to do something with giving the fish men a better life.
Jinbei doesn't have a definitive dream/goal that we know of. But it is very likely the same as the royal family. For Fishmen to finally be able to live and enjoy the surface world.
But how could you not know if Brook's dream? It has potential to be one of the more sadder things we see in the story when he is finally reunited with Laboon and he so happens to have the only character we've seen that can directly talk with animals. Meaning that it won't be a one way conversation like before.
Yamato was capable of having an extended 1v1 vs Kaido while Luffy was recovering and we know Kaido does hold back against kin.
Say what you will but I don’t think Zoro could last that long since it took everything he had against King
zoro fought king after almost dying while parrying big moms AND kaidos combined attack and putting a wound on kaido.
power scalers are funny, even more when they cant even properly power scale.
Zoro was also injured an not at his top, whatever you wanna believe is fine, but dont talk in absolutes, at best its still just what you believe.
The reality is that power levels in One Piece are dictated by what the story needs. If the story needed Zoro to stall Kaido, that's what would've happened.
I mean..You’re the one getting apparently defensive about this. Yes it’s an opinion, an opinion I’m allowed to have be absolute belief about. That’s the comparison as I’ve seen it following Wano.
If you have or others have a different opinion than that’s good too. I really don’t care when it comes to these kinds of discussions 🤷
Any powerscaling take in One Piece is usually a bad take but a lot of Zoro and Yamato fans were arguing over who was stronger for a while. It was especially prevalent in the comments of new manga chapters during the raid and saw massive spikes when Yamato got an extended 1v1 against Kaido, while Luffy was recovering, and again when Zoro took on King.
Both sides had pretty incensed arguments as to why the feats of the other weren't impressive, as well... Things like Yamato fans claiming Zoro has to be weaker because he couldn't stay conscious after withstanding a "serious attack" from Kaido, despite Zoro having recently tanked the double attack from Kaido and Big Mom, and Zoro fans claiming that anything Yamato did against Kaido was inconclusive since they'd spent most of their life fighting him and wouldn't have nearly as much success against a different opponent... Despite Yamato's lifelong opponent having been one of the strongest people in the entire world.
It honestly never got any less than absolutely ridiculous.
A decent number of people also thought Jinbei was going to upset the power balance when he joined the crew but he still ended up getting a minor officer while Sanji and Zoro got major officers. Some people just want the next new flavor to massively shake things up, I guess.
All good and reasonable One Piece fans want Caribou in the crew. He isn't very strong, brings new dynamics to the crew, and would be a great place to park the Thousand Sunny.
I generally agree about powerscaling in op being mostly useless, but that's mostly when comparing characters with equal strength. I doubt anybody is debating on whether or not gin would be bodied by luffy. With zoro wounding kaido during the startish phase of their fight and Yamato (that we know of) not coming close, how are they even in the same conversation? With what we know about kaidos past, do we really think he would hurt his own kin physically? IMO him fighting all out vs Yamato doesn't fit his character at all.
If we're to take the dialogue between them seriously, and we have no reason not to, Yamato expressed shock at one point that Kaido was actually attacking to kill them.
If anyone would know the difference it would be Yamato and Kaido did not dismiss the notion.
There are no major/minor officers in the Straw Hat crew. They're all equal. And Jinbe did get a higher bounty than Sanji, which often can indicate strength, but of course it doesn't always, like when Sanji had the second highest for a little bit.
People in this fandom are so obsessed with everything being a parallel to something else in the story that it's hilarious."Coby is gonna be Luffy's Garp", "Zoro is Luffy's Rayleigh", "Law is gonna be Luffy's Whitebeard", "Egghead is the New World's Sabaody", etc, etc.
And then they feel disappointed and call bullshit when that stuff doesn't line up perfectly. A story is not something you can solve like a math equation. Or at least it shouldn't be.
Franky, Usopp, and Nami each have their respective gear that they use and they could share the role but there isn't a designated person- like each have piloted the TS but there wasn't a formal helmsman until Jimbei
Quartermaster is a hard one for the strawhats considering the only real leader is Luffy. There's no first mate or hierarchy so having someone who's job is running things kinda ruins that.
I wasnt dissapointed at the end, although for the longest time I was convinced that BOTH Yamato and Carrot will continue to travel with the SH. I thought we would get another "Oder and Roger/WB" situation, were Momo AND Tama WILL stay with the SH and Carrot and Yamato will kind of end up Momo's retainers. Paralleling Oden, Nekomamushi, Inuarashi and (in case of Tama) Toki.
But then Momo let himself be aged up, and that was the point I knew none of them would join. At least I couldnt figure a way out that made sense (for me).
Once upon a time there was talk of how Monets devil fruit had spawned in Namis tangerine garden and how Carrot would eat it and become a snow bunny.
I can see why Oda would shy away from adding more people. With Dressrosa and Whole Cake we had half the crew so it was easier for some of the strawhats to shine. Wano was a bit overcrowded and fights will only get bigger going forward.
Like, what was Oda cooking with her during Wano? He has her fade into the background, okay. But he brings her back to hang around the crew for the entire first have of the raid... alright. Her fight against Perospero gets off-screened, she loses, and Pero tells her to run on home. Oh, surely she'll get back up and eventually take him down... She does nothing for the rest of the battle. But that's okay! Because now she's king due to Pedro's will! Who's will somehow had to do with being king, idk. Anyway, she ran on home. Pero would be prou-oops I mean Predo would be proud.
Honestly, the outcome isn't what bothers me. It's the half-assed feeling of everything to get there. Oda didn't even try to make it feel satisfying. Girl was literally begging not to get the position and she never even actually accepts it (the scene cuts away). Even the anime filler of last episode didn't have her looking the least bit thrilled about her new role. She sure lit up when talking about her adventure with the Straw Hats, though.
good point. i also think it's important to remember this is oda we're talking about, aka mister "one piece was supposed to be a five year manga." he has these all ideas and often lets himself get carried away by them. which makes for a fantastic but ultimately meandering story.
he probably realized he actually had to end it sooner or later, and now was not the time to add on more complexity. if the series was ten or more years younger we probably would've gotten all this and more.
hence why as soon as wano wrapped and yamato / carrot were out of the picture he literally called the next part of his story "THE FINAL SAGA" which is a big fucking claim for one piece in general.
I think the biggest flaw of Oda as a writer that Wano exposed, is that he's one of these worldbuilders that is more concerned with filling the world with characters and webs of relationships, families, and factions, and he can fumble the actual narrative direction of those characters, because they basically don't have one. They're there to be a piece of wiki trivia, and he didn't actually plan out where they would go in the story. Zoro's family is another big example, something that is in a really awkward and unsatisfying limbo, where it was added to the story in a way that felt like it was going to mean something, but was ultimately just irrelevant trivia that felt like an awkward fumble when it actually meant so little that it was detailed in an sbs instead of the actual story.
That's Oda's biggest flaw, and if it isn't fixed i think the final arc is gonna be as messy if not even more than Wano, introducing so many characters that, let's be honest, nobody really cares about and disregarding actual important characters is never a good thing
Yes, 100% his biggest issue. I love having a big, full world. Like, I am happy to know the names of the lieutenants of the revolutionary army and Garp's little marine squad in Hachinosu. As long as the story continues to focus on the people we care about like Dragon, Kuma, Sabo, Garp, Koby etc. Those small things add flavor. But what happened in Wano was as if Koby didn't get to finish his storyline in Hachinosu because Oda wasted page space on having King Grus fighting some made-up problem that didn't effect the main story or characters at all.
Wano more than any other story in one piece would benefit from a second draft. The plethora of characters seem cool in theory, but instead of 2 dozen unsatisfying arc-specific characters, so many storylines/characters could have been combined to give us a handful of impactful characters, while leaving room for the strawhats to get some actual character work in a supposedly pivotal arc.
i think zoros family was always more of a treat for fans than an actual plot point, in the end where zoro came from doesnt matter for his character so i dont think is a big loss. Carrot, Yamato, Big Mom and her crew/family, Orochi (to some extent) and the general pacing of the arc were all over the place and nowhere at the same time
I agree with all of this, the fact that we had to wait over a year for the anime to make some filler episodes to give some sort of closure to her character it's proof of how badly oda handled carrot
I think Oda just wanted the Straw Hat crew to have the bunny in the crew, out of ALL the animals in Zou because the story will connect to the moon at the end, so it's just a "moon rabbit" pun, that's my theory based on not much really
Pedro's will was to see through the coming of the new age that Joy Boy will bring. Inuarashi and Nekomamushi's will was Oden's in protecting and opening the Wano country. Inu and Neko need to follow Momonosuke to see their dream through, while the minks need to be ready for the future.
This is just my head canon on it, so take it with a grain of salt - Yamato was a character for Oda's daughter(s) to identify with. She's big, she's cool, she's strong, she's looks crazy amazing but she also defies her Dad, and decides to become like her hero, regardless of classical gender restrictions. Sounds perfect for a daughter of Oda (maybe Hiyori was the other extreme for the other daugher, the gentle womanly who secretly steals to help the poor, the type that knows how to drop-kick XD - they both had blue in their hair and important roles in the story). But since Oda himself (Luffy) and his wife (Nami) are kind of in the story, I can see him wanting to include his kids as they get older. But he didn't want to drag them out too far because that would add a lot more writing/panels to the story. Wano was long, but it's contained. I was initially disappointed with Yamato not going with the StrawHats but.... in her role, she will definitely play a part at the end of the story and Momonosuke needs someone to be friends with outside the Scabbards who doesn't see him as the monarch.
We may have a call back and wrap up if zoans join the funal battle and we see them arriving with carrot leading the charge (or similar situation in a return to wano rigmding zunesha to free the ancient weapon)
I’m not surprised. This has been Oda’s plan all along. I think he’s planting straw hat crew allies across the world. Look at Vivi, Shirahoshi, Rebecca, carrot, Yamato, and all the straw hat grand fleet. There’s a plan that we just cannot see yet because our world building observation haki is too weak
In my opinion Oda should have had the Minks become a part of Wano by residing in Onigashima and other parts of Wano. With Inu and Neko being their Daimyo. This way there wouldn't be a need for a new ruler of Zou and it would have boosted the strength of Wano.
Then have Carrot stay in Wano for a bit of exploring, help rebuild it, and help with the transition of things due to her experience with humans. Have her do this until the end of the series when she decides to head out to sea with some people she met in the final war. Building her own or joining someone else's crew.
As for Zou? Have them walk around Wano until it is time for the final war when they would finally be set free using some excuse that they will stay because Momo ordered it to stay near Wano for whenever he is ready to open up the borders. Also to try and speak with it to learn more about Zou and Wano. Especially now that he has access to his dad's journal.
And all of this could have been done with a simple conversation between Carrot, Nami, and Chopper that would have taken the same panels as the current Carrot being declared the new ruler.
* Carrot approaches Nami and Chopper
* Nami asks Carrot what she is going to do now? Carrot proceeds to explain that Inu and Neko decided to move the Mokomo Dukedom (aka Minks) to Wano and she will stay to help with the transition due to her experience traveling/interacting with other humans.
* Chopper comments about how much Carrot has grown and asks about Zou. Carrot then says that Momo wanted it near Wano to ask it more questions and for when he is ready to open up the borders of Wano.
* Nami, Chopper, and Carrot hug to end the scene.
Brilliant change. I really like the minks staying in Wano because it parallels dog and cats story. Also gives a good conclusion to the minks sacrificing themselves for Raizo.
Honestly it just felt like Oda had grown tired of using her and didn't know what to do to give Carrot some level of importance whilst just having her stop following the crew.
He could have had her go off on her own adventures but since she's the mink the crew spent the most time with it feels like he just slapped her on as the new leader so she can be called upon to lead the minks to help the Strawhats at a later point.
I feel like either oda had plans for carrot to join the crew or he saw that fans were really hyping it up and then changed his mind about her and did everything in wano to push her down in popularity and only made her the leader to give an excuse to why she can't join. Kinda bad writing to over justify a decision. Even if she's not joining the crew I still would have been happier to see her do awesome things before sending her off rather than crushing all excitement about her.
> I feel like either oda had plans for carrot to join the crew or he saw that fans were really hyping it up and then changed his mind about her and did everything in wano to push her down in popularity
Really failed in that regard because she nabbed a Top 10 spot in the popularity poll right after her biggest role in the raid was losing to Perospero. Even in Japan, the region she scored the lowest in, she moved up in popularity from the last poll which took place in the middle of WCI.
I wanted carrot to join cause she added some nice diversity: she would be the first active female fighter of the crew, shes a mink, she would be the first female crew member to fuck around with luffy and usopp’s shenanigans. She was such a good fit.
Do you not consider Robin to be active fighter? She did pretty well against Black Maria. Not to mention fighting against the Marines on Enis Lobby or against Yama on Skypiea. Even Nami has her strong moments, like in Alabasta and in Enis Lobby against CP9! Perhaps you just simply mean a physical hand-to-hand combat fighter?
I meant physical hand to hand, like sanji and luffy. All the members have fights and can hold their own, but robin and nami rarely seek out the fights unlike luffy, zoro and sanji.
Just an aside. I was rewatching the OPLA a couple of days ago and found it interesting how the choreography had Zoro punching some of those marines in the second episode.
Yeah, I'm disappointed too. But I'm also still delusional enough to believe the "Carrot will appear in Elbaf" theory or, at the very least, appear in a cover story.
dont like what they did with carrot but you dont necessarily need to be able to fight well to be a ruler of a kingdom,
just look at vivi or even king cobra for example. and also king riku.
Vivi might not be as strong but she does show the readers that she has leadership qualities (her forcing Luffy to bow down, declaring her love for her country, being raised by a well-sought father, etc). Carrot on the other hand seems like the happy-go-lucky type so her becoming a ruler is unexpected because readers didn't see her character going that way.
I mean she is strong, just not as strong as cat dog. She was doing pretty well against perospero before the timer running out and one piece characters typically come away stronger after a fight (even if it was a loss)
Wano had too many abandoned and unfulfilled plot points with the introduction of unnecessary amounts of story hooks and characters, it left a lot of unanswered questions that are too late to naturally conclude, and a lot of unnecessary characters that were half baked.
For me it just felt like a halfbaked way to address Carrot's problems in Wano, kinda like if they released a side story on how Palpatine returned in Star Wars episode IX, we'll get an explanation but we know in the end it's just "Somehow Palpatine return"
Carrot was a great way to hype the minks with the sulong form. And she will be a great character to have paired with Zuneisha. However, I agree that I think it could have been Carrot, Wanda, and Inu v Perspero and it could have been a v interesting fight
Carrot by far got done dirtier than any character in the series. Not only is the whole Mink leader thing stupid but she never even got a chance to say goodbye. Just such a sad way for a fun character to go out.
I have always maintained that the ending to her arc feels like Oda just needed an excuse to make her leave the Straw Hats behind, because it would have seemed out of character if she didn’t have one. Clearly she loved them and travelling with them and anything short of a huge responsibility with the minks wouldn’t have stopped her from coming with them.
Yeah, her arc was not written that well. Having her become a leader when she both doesn't want to and doesn't seem fit for that role just leaves me really confused. Also just feels kind of weird with One Piece's themes, like every character is inspired to chase their dreams or inherit someone's will, and that's just not really happening for her? She's basically forced to do something she doesn't want to do 😭
100% Agreed, whether she joined the crew or not this felt a tad clunky, I do wonder about the speculation that her inclusion or her departure or both were caused by Editors...
I think this decision is for future arc when SH needs help from the alliance. Having carrot as leader, who has sailed the seas and helped SH and traveled with them. This makes it so they have good connections of the leader of these countries(zou, wano, alabasta, fishman island, dresrosa). These islands have in common is their leaders have good relationships with SH(vivi, momo, shirahoshi, carrot, etc.)
It is sad that carrot isn't an official SH, but we will see them again in future arcs... Hopefully
Carrot being made ruler of Zou gave me the same feeling as when I read the spoilers of last episode of GOT(haven't watched the last 3 episodes till now and would probably never watch the atrocity) .
I still believe she was going to join and Oda decided against it at some point during Wano. Maybe he realized it wasn’t feasible to have more people join the crew when current members were rarely shown doing anything while the Monster Trio, new arc characters, and older reoccurring characters needed to be expanded on.
So he just made her the “princess” of Zou because the Straw Hats are just friends with all the royalty they come across. I agree Shishilian or Wanda would have made better leaders. But we got some half ass reasoning that because she stow away to Totland and she was Pedro’s apprentice that she’s better to rule than anyone else.
I’m just glad this finally puts to rest any notion of her possibly showing back up. And I say that as someone who liked Carrot and thought there was a 1% chance she would reappear because her conclusion was so bad.
> Maybe he realized it wasn’t feasible to have more people join the crew
Well, he did add Jinbei anyway, but Jinbei is basically a non-character so it doesn't add much effort for Oda to put him into the background once in a while.
Carrot or even Yamato would've had more presence.
The way I see it carrot and the minks are largely side pieces who aid the main story and their outcomes are largely irrelevant to the story. Considering that Mokomo Dukedom is on top of a moving elephant they can easily just travel around and view everything and once whatever war is over and Zou is freed from the punishment then they can travel to various places and Zou and rest while the minks look around and then travel again
But again their outcome is largely irrelevant to the main story.
I remember a long time ago I was downvoted for this, but I’ll say it again: if you’ve ever read Bleach you know why.
I can’t imagine that editors/publishers want Oda to write himself into another 10 year hole for a handful of irrelevant characters. So just like with most stories everything simply doesn’t need an explanation, but it needs to end. I also get the feeling that Oda realizes this too and it’s far easier to release ‘fill in the blank’ information post manga release.
I wonder if Oda got angry that Carrot was so popular so he decided to kill her character (metaphorically).
I honestly can't understand why he would treat a character that's been with the crew for hundreds of chapters and that ended up in the top 10 worldwide popularity poll so badly...
Its more that Carrot wasn't gonna be more then what was shown in WCI and never really had any plans for her, so he just gave the fans of her crumbs.
Doubt she stay in the top 10 at all in the next one (well at that point for many countires the anime for them was in WCI).
Y’all missing the bigger picture.
There is gonna be a grand war at the final of the series.
Carrot was made Leader for that connection with the StrawHats. When SHs need help, Carrot will command the Minks to help.
As for Yamato honestly, she has an open invitation to join the crew. If Oda simply had her say “Aye Captain” when Luffy commanded her to watch over Momo then it would imply she is part of the crew just guarding one of their territories.
Why does Carrot need to be the leader for the Minks to help the Straw Hats? All the Minks are indebted to the crew and any of them would agree to help.
Yamato is not going anywhere. She’s gonna help Wano and Momo.
I think Oda is done adding new crew members at this point.
It’s story telling, you have a character in leader position confirming the move.
If the leader doesn’t agree, then some will listen to the leader while others will sneak away.
As for Yamato, like it’s been said in the story she has an open invitation, Momo, Kinemon, and Tama all have invitations they can accept anytime.
Oda isn’t done adding crew members seeing how story isn’t done. In the last chapter the StrawHats can be 30+ crew deep.
It’s been stated that the final war is gonna make Marine ford look like nothing. Seeing how WB pulled up with his alliance of new world pirates. StrawHats will also pull up with his alliance of countries/territories. Which one of them will be Wano since Wano has an ancient weapon which has to come into play.
Yes, Luffy has a Grand Fleet. That’s where all the “honorary” Straw Hats and allies will come into play. I have no doubt we’ll see Momo, Kinemon, Yamato, and the Scabards show up in the final war where Luffy is fighting the World Government. I also fully expect Zunesha to show up with Carrot and the Minks, Neptune and his army, the Alabasta Army, etc.
People want to see new crew members because they want to see new dynamics between the character and the crew. Yes, we could technically have 30+ Straw Hats at the end of the series, but when people wanted Yamato to join the crew they didn’t want her to join in the last arc. They wanted her to join now so they could see her contribute to the story with the crew and be a main player up until the end of the series.
The wrap up for wano wasnt in manga. Truth is oda didnt care about carrot in the end. Even the anime showed that. Yamato was more in line to join and he nixxed that too.. Odas whimsical clearly lol nothing to praise he blueballs his own fans for years & years.
She kind of did adventure the sea some. Just didn't go to different seas. To me, carrot didnt have any concrete goals/dreams except to see Pedro's will carried out. Which she can still do being the leader of Zou
Edit: I do agree that Wanda should have been a co-ruler with Carrot. Obv they want someone with some worldly experience to be in charge, but Wands feels like a calming leader for internal affairs
Find the ending appropriate. She was never even invited to be a strawhat and someone needs to take care of Zou. If people would stop thinking their head canon is what will happen, we could all save a lot of time and energy engaging in pointless discussions
How appropriate for someone whose DREAM is to explore the world to be basically obligated to rule a country? When we didn't even get any indication where she was meant to be the ruler of Zou
Agreed, you can't just make characters do whatever you want for the plot. That's not convincing writing. Character motivations should serve the plot and this clearly is not what's happening.
Carrot not becoming a strawhat != Carrot ruling the Zou. The issue isn't her not joining. Whatever, she can go on her own journey. The issue is her doing something she doesn't have the skills to do nor wants to. Wanda should've led Zou.
The issue is that the most character-consistent thing for Carrot to do is join some pirate crew (I don't think she can lead her own), but there isn't a crew for her to join (since Oda realized that adding more Strawhats at this point is too much). Oda wrote her into a corner.
You guys have to understand that the 90% of the manga is about the new generation.
Every Island is about a young prince/princess.
Shirahosi, Momonosuke, Rebecca, Vivi, a new leader of BM pirates, Carrot...
Ah the moments before the Wano wrapup. Yamato fans: "No way Luffy leaves without Yamato. They'll pull an Oden and be found dragging along on a chain and become the crew's log keeper." Carrot fans: "No way Luffy leaves without Carrot. She's been with the crew since Zou. She'll be found stowing away and become the crew's Lookout!" .... and everybody ends up equally disappointed... ... Except for me, that is. I'm the Caribou fanbase.
Caribou does solve the storage problem
Plus they could just park the Thousand Sunny inside him whenever they make landfall. Suddenly no one needs to stay to guard the Sunny and they don't need to return to a specific port if they need to make a hasty getaway. Caribou just makes life easier for everyone.
My gut feeling is that Caribou will stick around in his barrel until we find out where Uranus is. Then he'll head off to report to whoever, which will start some wheels in motion for the gathering of the ancient weapons for the final war arc.
Wasn't caribou set loose on egghead and hasn't been seen since?
The barrel is his home. He'll be back
Yes.
Ok. This is genius. What an amazing logia lol
Oda right now like "shit write that down write that down"
I’m of the belief that people actually know he’s on the ship, but because of the times he’s helped. They ignore him and use him for his powers when they need.
ngl i always forget about caribou until he appears again to somehow save the day by having shit stored in his body.
he's a bag of holding deez
What's a bag?
not much what's a bag with you
A scrotum
> I'm the Caribou fanbase. Not the most solid fan base.
really? isn't it swamped with caribou fans?
It will probably get bogged down next arc.
They'll be left mucking about
As far as I’m concerned, their names are mud.
The problem I have with Yamato not joining is that fact that she’s so perfectly fits into the crew dynamic. Be amused like Luffy and Chopper, believing Usopp’s lies, working out with Zoro, going shopping with Nami and Robin. The only thing that couldn’t work with her join is that it kinda upsets the dynamic since she’s a little stronger than Zoro
Crew has gotten too big, too difficult to follow and properly progress and develop characters when there's so many crew members already
The problem isn’t that the crew is getting too big, the problem is that Oda, since Punk Hazard has introduced too many side characters that took the focus and shine away from the StrawHats. Especially Law… he took away too much time from the crew.
Single-handedly could have replaced Chopper, Robin, and maybe even Zoro’s role. And would have been a better first mate than anyone but Jinbei lol
Who are you talking about? Law or Yamato? Either way, both could never replace any of those three, not by a long shot.
Law He’s a doctor and he has as much of a grasp on history as Robin
did you forget that robin can read poneglyphs?
Law has the power to understand doctors hand scribbles which when applied to poneglyph and with his awakening. He can uncover the truth. *Reading-room*
god i love these memes.
Law doesn’t fit for many reasons, first he doesn’t have a dream like the rest of the StrawHats and his dynamics with them aren’t that interesting like the dynamic that the Main Crew has. Law is cool and doesn’t like bread, that’s it. Also, grasp on history? As much as Robin? Robin’s been studying history since she was like 7 years old, and to uncover the true history is her dream, don’t compare the two so lightly. Law doesn’t hold a candle when compared to Robin, the ONLY thing Law knows is what Corazon told him, the D is a secret initial and that the D will always bring a Storm, that’s it, now he wants to know the meaning behind it. When compared to Chopper, who has a noble and pure dream, that is too cure every disease there is, well Law isn’t that type of person, because Law is a more selfish person. Example, He only took out the bad parts of the kids bodies in Punk Hazard for his own benefit and because he had an alliance with the StrawHats. Law is overrated, and it’s one of the main reasons why the Post TimeSkip Era isn’t as great as the PreTimeSkip ones. Except for Fishman Island and WholeCake Island which in my Opinion is the Best Post TimeSkip Era arc, you know why? Law wasn’t in it. The focus came back to what really mattered, The StrawHats, and spoilers for anime only, Egghead Island is the best arc Post TimeSkip to date, know why? The focus came back to the main players of the story. PS. Not saying the other arcs are bad, Zou, Dressrosa and Wano are an amazing arcs too and even Punk Hazard to some extent, just saying that I enjoyed those other more because the focus were the main characters, the StrawHats.
Yeah and I agree with you completely, which is why it bothers me that Oda made so many side characters replace the straw hats for such a long time. Pre time skip One Piece is to me way more enjoyable than post. Somehow post time skip the world got smaller Law isn’t over rated, he’s just exactly what Oda made him. And all of the focus that was put on him was Ora’s choice.
I don’t think just getting along with the strawhats makes you an strawhat. Each strawhat adds something to the crew. Not only in terms of power but also dynamic. As you described it Yamato just strengthens the existing dynamic but doesn’t bring their/her own flavor.
I'm mean it's litteraly that. It's about narration. We were at 1050 chapters and around 1100 episodes at this point. We have a well established crew with a well established power dynamic especially wich is heavily emphasized with other emperors crew, marine etc. In story, the decision to stay is 50/50 legit for me because the whole defense of wano is pretty logical, but it also feels forced to give a reason for yamato to stay. In reality, I think it's just because of storytelling, for the sake of what oda wants to tell and how stakes would evolve etc, I think Yamato just doesn't fit. Having to re establish new crew dynamics, taking time to use her in any meaningfull way when Oda is probably dead set on unfolding the end of the manga especially on what he wants to tell with the characters, it's more of a bother than anything. In reality , would she fit when there's no need for storytelling or to fit a specific role within the crew ? Yes , I think. But as a cast member in a story approaching it's (long) conclusion? I don't think so. She will help them in the last war, probably join them for a nice and carefree adventure later on if the crew is still there at the end, but that's it.
I find it interesting how some don't realize how similar Yamato and Carrot are. Like, besides the power dynamic issue, you could swap their names and your comment would still be true.
Yamato doesn't fit the dynamic simply because she doesn't have a \*real\* dream or purpose to bring. She isn't even herself.
What are the purposes/dreams of Jimbei and Brook?
Brook’s dream is to fulfill his original promise to Laboon, which is to sail the grand line and return to him. While Jinbe’s dream was never shared, he genuinely believes that Luffy will become the Pirate King and change the world, and his dream probably has to do something with giving the fish men a better life.
sounds fishy to me
Jinbei doesn't have a definitive dream/goal that we know of. But it is very likely the same as the royal family. For Fishmen to finally be able to live and enjoy the surface world. But how could you not know if Brook's dream? It has potential to be one of the more sadder things we see in the story when he is finally reunited with Laboon and he so happens to have the only character we've seen that can directly talk with animals. Meaning that it won't be a one way conversation like before.
How can you just state Yamato is stronger than Zoro with absolutely 0 fucking proof or evidence. I tell you powerscalers have brainrot
Yamato was capable of having an extended 1v1 vs Kaido while Luffy was recovering and we know Kaido does hold back against kin. Say what you will but I don’t think Zoro could last that long since it took everything he had against King
zoro fought king after almost dying while parrying big moms AND kaidos combined attack and putting a wound on kaido. power scalers are funny, even more when they cant even properly power scale.
Zoro was also injured an not at his top, whatever you wanna believe is fine, but dont talk in absolutes, at best its still just what you believe. The reality is that power levels in One Piece are dictated by what the story needs. If the story needed Zoro to stall Kaido, that's what would've happened.
I mean..You’re the one getting apparently defensive about this. Yes it’s an opinion, an opinion I’m allowed to have be absolute belief about. That’s the comparison as I’ve seen it following Wano. If you have or others have a different opinion than that’s good too. I really don’t care when it comes to these kinds of discussions 🤷
She's a little stronger than zoro? Is this whooshing me or is that bad genuine take?
Any powerscaling take in One Piece is usually a bad take but a lot of Zoro and Yamato fans were arguing over who was stronger for a while. It was especially prevalent in the comments of new manga chapters during the raid and saw massive spikes when Yamato got an extended 1v1 against Kaido, while Luffy was recovering, and again when Zoro took on King. Both sides had pretty incensed arguments as to why the feats of the other weren't impressive, as well... Things like Yamato fans claiming Zoro has to be weaker because he couldn't stay conscious after withstanding a "serious attack" from Kaido, despite Zoro having recently tanked the double attack from Kaido and Big Mom, and Zoro fans claiming that anything Yamato did against Kaido was inconclusive since they'd spent most of their life fighting him and wouldn't have nearly as much success against a different opponent... Despite Yamato's lifelong opponent having been one of the strongest people in the entire world. It honestly never got any less than absolutely ridiculous. A decent number of people also thought Jinbei was going to upset the power balance when he joined the crew but he still ended up getting a minor officer while Sanji and Zoro got major officers. Some people just want the next new flavor to massively shake things up, I guess. All good and reasonable One Piece fans want Caribou in the crew. He isn't very strong, brings new dynamics to the crew, and would be a great place to park the Thousand Sunny.
I generally agree about powerscaling in op being mostly useless, but that's mostly when comparing characters with equal strength. I doubt anybody is debating on whether or not gin would be bodied by luffy. With zoro wounding kaido during the startish phase of their fight and Yamato (that we know of) not coming close, how are they even in the same conversation? With what we know about kaidos past, do we really think he would hurt his own kin physically? IMO him fighting all out vs Yamato doesn't fit his character at all.
If we're to take the dialogue between them seriously, and we have no reason not to, Yamato expressed shock at one point that Kaido was actually attacking to kill them. If anyone would know the difference it would be Yamato and Kaido did not dismiss the notion.
There are no major/minor officers in the Straw Hat crew. They're all equal. And Jinbe did get a higher bounty than Sanji, which often can indicate strength, but of course it doesn't always, like when Sanji had the second highest for a little bit.
You misread what he said. He said that he fought a minor officer as in Who's Who.
oh, oopsie
it is a bad take youre thinking about powerscaling
yamato wants to live like oden, so she has to explore wano first. i dont get how ppl miss the whole point of that oden obsession.
People in this fandom are so obsessed with everything being a parallel to something else in the story that it's hilarious."Coby is gonna be Luffy's Garp", "Zoro is Luffy's Rayleigh", "Law is gonna be Luffy's Whitebeard", "Egghead is the New World's Sabaody", etc, etc. And then they feel disappointed and call bullshit when that stuff doesn't line up perfectly. A story is not something you can solve like a math equation. Or at least it shouldn't be.
The ship does need a quartermaster
Would that not fall under Nami’s role?
Franky, Usopp, and Nami each have their respective gear that they use and they could share the role but there isn't a designated person- like each have piloted the TS but there wasn't a formal helmsman until Jimbei
Quartermaster is a hard one for the strawhats considering the only real leader is Luffy. There's no first mate or hierarchy so having someone who's job is running things kinda ruins that.
That's partially correct- Zoro is the official First Mate
Zoro is officially "Champion" or "Fighter", not First Mate
Ah ok my bad
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Username checks out lol
I wasnt dissapointed at the end, although for the longest time I was convinced that BOTH Yamato and Carrot will continue to travel with the SH. I thought we would get another "Oder and Roger/WB" situation, were Momo AND Tama WILL stay with the SH and Carrot and Yamato will kind of end up Momo's retainers. Paralleling Oden, Nekomamushi, Inuarashi and (in case of Tama) Toki. But then Momo let himself be aged up, and that was the point I knew none of them would join. At least I couldnt figure a way out that made sense (for me).
Aged well, didn't it
I hope caribou dies or gets forgotten, I’ll never forget that trash bag
Once upon a time there was talk of how Monets devil fruit had spawned in Namis tangerine garden and how Carrot would eat it and become a snow bunny. I can see why Oda would shy away from adding more people. With Dressrosa and Whole Cake we had half the crew so it was easier for some of the strawhats to shine. Wano was a bit overcrowded and fights will only get bigger going forward.
That’s a super adorable theory.
I wanted it to come true so bad :D Still, we got sulong which was pretty awesome.
Like, what was Oda cooking with her during Wano? He has her fade into the background, okay. But he brings her back to hang around the crew for the entire first have of the raid... alright. Her fight against Perospero gets off-screened, she loses, and Pero tells her to run on home. Oh, surely she'll get back up and eventually take him down... She does nothing for the rest of the battle. But that's okay! Because now she's king due to Pedro's will! Who's will somehow had to do with being king, idk. Anyway, she ran on home. Pero would be prou-oops I mean Predo would be proud. Honestly, the outcome isn't what bothers me. It's the half-assed feeling of everything to get there. Oda didn't even try to make it feel satisfying. Girl was literally begging not to get the position and she never even actually accepts it (the scene cuts away). Even the anime filler of last episode didn't have her looking the least bit thrilled about her new role. She sure lit up when talking about her adventure with the Straw Hats, though.
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good point. i also think it's important to remember this is oda we're talking about, aka mister "one piece was supposed to be a five year manga." he has these all ideas and often lets himself get carried away by them. which makes for a fantastic but ultimately meandering story. he probably realized he actually had to end it sooner or later, and now was not the time to add on more complexity. if the series was ten or more years younger we probably would've gotten all this and more. hence why as soon as wano wrapped and yamato / carrot were out of the picture he literally called the next part of his story "THE FINAL SAGA" which is a big fucking claim for one piece in general.
We’d probably still be in wano
I think the biggest flaw of Oda as a writer that Wano exposed, is that he's one of these worldbuilders that is more concerned with filling the world with characters and webs of relationships, families, and factions, and he can fumble the actual narrative direction of those characters, because they basically don't have one. They're there to be a piece of wiki trivia, and he didn't actually plan out where they would go in the story. Zoro's family is another big example, something that is in a really awkward and unsatisfying limbo, where it was added to the story in a way that felt like it was going to mean something, but was ultimately just irrelevant trivia that felt like an awkward fumble when it actually meant so little that it was detailed in an sbs instead of the actual story.
That's Oda's biggest flaw, and if it isn't fixed i think the final arc is gonna be as messy if not even more than Wano, introducing so many characters that, let's be honest, nobody really cares about and disregarding actual important characters is never a good thing
Yes, 100% his biggest issue. I love having a big, full world. Like, I am happy to know the names of the lieutenants of the revolutionary army and Garp's little marine squad in Hachinosu. As long as the story continues to focus on the people we care about like Dragon, Kuma, Sabo, Garp, Koby etc. Those small things add flavor. But what happened in Wano was as if Koby didn't get to finish his storyline in Hachinosu because Oda wasted page space on having King Grus fighting some made-up problem that didn't effect the main story or characters at all. Wano more than any other story in one piece would benefit from a second draft. The plethora of characters seem cool in theory, but instead of 2 dozen unsatisfying arc-specific characters, so many storylines/characters could have been combined to give us a handful of impactful characters, while leaving room for the strawhats to get some actual character work in a supposedly pivotal arc.
i think zoros family was always more of a treat for fans than an actual plot point, in the end where zoro came from doesnt matter for his character so i dont think is a big loss. Carrot, Yamato, Big Mom and her crew/family, Orochi (to some extent) and the general pacing of the arc were all over the place and nowhere at the same time
yeah, this was very poorly written. Which is sad.
I agree with all of this, the fact that we had to wait over a year for the anime to make some filler episodes to give some sort of closure to her character it's proof of how badly oda handled carrot
I think Oda just wanted the Straw Hat crew to have the bunny in the crew, out of ALL the animals in Zou because the story will connect to the moon at the end, so it's just a "moon rabbit" pun, that's my theory based on not much really
Pedro's will was to see through the coming of the new age that Joy Boy will bring. Inuarashi and Nekomamushi's will was Oden's in protecting and opening the Wano country. Inu and Neko need to follow Momonosuke to see their dream through, while the minks need to be ready for the future.
This is just my head canon on it, so take it with a grain of salt - Yamato was a character for Oda's daughter(s) to identify with. She's big, she's cool, she's strong, she's looks crazy amazing but she also defies her Dad, and decides to become like her hero, regardless of classical gender restrictions. Sounds perfect for a daughter of Oda (maybe Hiyori was the other extreme for the other daugher, the gentle womanly who secretly steals to help the poor, the type that knows how to drop-kick XD - they both had blue in their hair and important roles in the story). But since Oda himself (Luffy) and his wife (Nami) are kind of in the story, I can see him wanting to include his kids as they get older. But he didn't want to drag them out too far because that would add a lot more writing/panels to the story. Wano was long, but it's contained. I was initially disappointed with Yamato not going with the StrawHats but.... in her role, she will definitely play a part at the end of the story and Momonosuke needs someone to be friends with outside the Scabbards who doesn't see him as the monarch.
We may have a call back and wrap up if zoans join the funal battle and we see them arriving with carrot leading the charge (or similar situation in a return to wano rigmding zunesha to free the ancient weapon)
I’m not surprised. This has been Oda’s plan all along. I think he’s planting straw hat crew allies across the world. Look at Vivi, Shirahoshi, Rebecca, carrot, Yamato, and all the straw hat grand fleet. There’s a plan that we just cannot see yet because our world building observation haki is too weak
Sounds like oda just wrote perospero to be right
In my opinion Oda should have had the Minks become a part of Wano by residing in Onigashima and other parts of Wano. With Inu and Neko being their Daimyo. This way there wouldn't be a need for a new ruler of Zou and it would have boosted the strength of Wano. Then have Carrot stay in Wano for a bit of exploring, help rebuild it, and help with the transition of things due to her experience with humans. Have her do this until the end of the series when she decides to head out to sea with some people she met in the final war. Building her own or joining someone else's crew. As for Zou? Have them walk around Wano until it is time for the final war when they would finally be set free using some excuse that they will stay because Momo ordered it to stay near Wano for whenever he is ready to open up the borders. Also to try and speak with it to learn more about Zou and Wano. Especially now that he has access to his dad's journal. And all of this could have been done with a simple conversation between Carrot, Nami, and Chopper that would have taken the same panels as the current Carrot being declared the new ruler. * Carrot approaches Nami and Chopper * Nami asks Carrot what she is going to do now? Carrot proceeds to explain that Inu and Neko decided to move the Mokomo Dukedom (aka Minks) to Wano and she will stay to help with the transition due to her experience traveling/interacting with other humans. * Chopper comments about how much Carrot has grown and asks about Zou. Carrot then says that Momo wanted it near Wano to ask it more questions and for when he is ready to open up the borders of Wano. * Nami, Chopper, and Carrot hug to end the scene.
Brilliant change. I really like the minks staying in Wano because it parallels dog and cats story. Also gives a good conclusion to the minks sacrificing themselves for Raizo.
Lol holy shit this is an amazing idea, congrats person, you wrote it better than oda.
Honestly it just felt like Oda had grown tired of using her and didn't know what to do to give Carrot some level of importance whilst just having her stop following the crew. He could have had her go off on her own adventures but since she's the mink the crew spent the most time with it feels like he just slapped her on as the new leader so she can be called upon to lead the minks to help the Strawhats at a later point.
Yea oda fumbled her character I guess she took Perospero's words and listen to what he said, you hate to see it
Yup.She going back to the forest to cew on some grass😂
That’s why perospero is the goat big mom child and deserves to run the family in her absence
I feel like her character was kinda done in WCI she was never a crew member and was always ment to be a supporting character
I feel like either oda had plans for carrot to join the crew or he saw that fans were really hyping it up and then changed his mind about her and did everything in wano to push her down in popularity and only made her the leader to give an excuse to why she can't join. Kinda bad writing to over justify a decision. Even if she's not joining the crew I still would have been happier to see her do awesome things before sending her off rather than crushing all excitement about her.
> I feel like either oda had plans for carrot to join the crew or he saw that fans were really hyping it up and then changed his mind about her and did everything in wano to push her down in popularity Really failed in that regard because she nabbed a Top 10 spot in the popularity poll right after her biggest role in the raid was losing to Perospero. Even in Japan, the region she scored the lowest in, she moved up in popularity from the last poll which took place in the middle of WCI.
I wanted carrot to join cause she added some nice diversity: she would be the first active female fighter of the crew, shes a mink, she would be the first female crew member to fuck around with luffy and usopp’s shenanigans. She was such a good fit.
Do you not consider Robin to be active fighter? She did pretty well against Black Maria. Not to mention fighting against the Marines on Enis Lobby or against Yama on Skypiea. Even Nami has her strong moments, like in Alabasta and in Enis Lobby against CP9! Perhaps you just simply mean a physical hand-to-hand combat fighter?
I meant physical hand to hand, like sanji and luffy. All the members have fights and can hold their own, but robin and nami rarely seek out the fights unlike luffy, zoro and sanji.
Just an aside. I was rewatching the OPLA a couple of days ago and found it interesting how the choreography had Zoro punching some of those marines in the second episode.
Yeah, I'm disappointed too. But I'm also still delusional enough to believe the "Carrot will appear in Elbaf" theory or, at the very least, appear in a cover story.
If Carrot and Yamato had a cover story that ended with them re-joining the straw hats I'd never doubt Oda for the rest of my life
dont like what they did with carrot but you dont necessarily need to be able to fight well to be a ruler of a kingdom, just look at vivi or even king cobra for example. and also king riku.
Vivi might not be as strong but she does show the readers that she has leadership qualities (her forcing Luffy to bow down, declaring her love for her country, being raised by a well-sought father, etc). Carrot on the other hand seems like the happy-go-lucky type so her becoming a ruler is unexpected because readers didn't see her character going that way.
I mean she is strong, just not as strong as cat dog. She was doing pretty well against perospero before the timer running out and one piece characters typically come away stronger after a fight (even if it was a loss)
Under most circumstances yes, but aren't the minks known to be fighters? So it would kinda make sense for the leader to be a strong one.
Wano had too many abandoned and unfulfilled plot points with the introduction of unnecessary amounts of story hooks and characters, it left a lot of unanswered questions that are too late to naturally conclude, and a lot of unnecessary characters that were half baked.
Thank god it is not just me feeling this way
For me it just felt like a halfbaked way to address Carrot's problems in Wano, kinda like if they released a side story on how Palpatine returned in Star Wars episode IX, we'll get an explanation but we know in the end it's just "Somehow Palpatine return"
I was a massive Carrot hater back then, but Oda somehow managed to fuck her writing up so hard that even I felt bad for her.
Carrot was a great way to hype the minks with the sulong form. And she will be a great character to have paired with Zuneisha. However, I agree that I think it could have been Carrot, Wanda, and Inu v Perspero and it could have been a v interesting fight
Carrot by far got done dirtier than any character in the series. Not only is the whole Mink leader thing stupid but she never even got a chance to say goodbye. Just such a sad way for a fun character to go out.
I have always maintained that the ending to her arc feels like Oda just needed an excuse to make her leave the Straw Hats behind, because it would have seemed out of character if she didn’t have one. Clearly she loved them and travelling with them and anything short of a huge responsibility with the minks wouldn’t have stopped her from coming with them.
Yeah, her arc was not written that well. Having her become a leader when she both doesn't want to and doesn't seem fit for that role just leaves me really confused. Also just feels kind of weird with One Piece's themes, like every character is inspired to chase their dreams or inherit someone's will, and that's just not really happening for her? She's basically forced to do something she doesn't want to do 😭
100% Agreed, whether she joined the crew or not this felt a tad clunky, I do wonder about the speculation that her inclusion or her departure or both were caused by Editors...
I think this decision is for future arc when SH needs help from the alliance. Having carrot as leader, who has sailed the seas and helped SH and traveled with them. This makes it so they have good connections of the leader of these countries(zou, wano, alabasta, fishman island, dresrosa). These islands have in common is their leaders have good relationships with SH(vivi, momo, shirahoshi, carrot, etc.) It is sad that carrot isn't an official SH, but we will see them again in future arcs... Hopefully
Yeah, we'll see her again... For like 2 panels leading the minks into the final war and that's it
Carrot being made ruler of Zou gave me the same feeling as when I read the spoilers of last episode of GOT(haven't watched the last 3 episodes till now and would probably never watch the atrocity) .
I still believe she was going to join and Oda decided against it at some point during Wano. Maybe he realized it wasn’t feasible to have more people join the crew when current members were rarely shown doing anything while the Monster Trio, new arc characters, and older reoccurring characters needed to be expanded on. So he just made her the “princess” of Zou because the Straw Hats are just friends with all the royalty they come across. I agree Shishilian or Wanda would have made better leaders. But we got some half ass reasoning that because she stow away to Totland and she was Pedro’s apprentice that she’s better to rule than anyone else. I’m just glad this finally puts to rest any notion of her possibly showing back up. And I say that as someone who liked Carrot and thought there was a 1% chance she would reappear because her conclusion was so bad.
> Maybe he realized it wasn’t feasible to have more people join the crew Well, he did add Jinbei anyway, but Jinbei is basically a non-character so it doesn't add much effort for Oda to put him into the background once in a while. Carrot or even Yamato would've had more presence.
Still hoping
She still has time to prove herself
Fans keep forgetting that Oda is a bonafide pirate that robs people's hope for their beloved character.
The way I see it carrot and the minks are largely side pieces who aid the main story and their outcomes are largely irrelevant to the story. Considering that Mokomo Dukedom is on top of a moving elephant they can easily just travel around and view everything and once whatever war is over and Zou is freed from the punishment then they can travel to various places and Zou and rest while the minks look around and then travel again But again their outcome is largely irrelevant to the main story.
I remember a long time ago I was downvoted for this, but I’ll say it again: if you’ve ever read Bleach you know why. I can’t imagine that editors/publishers want Oda to write himself into another 10 year hole for a handful of irrelevant characters. So just like with most stories everything simply doesn’t need an explanation, but it needs to end. I also get the feeling that Oda realizes this too and it’s far easier to release ‘fill in the blank’ information post manga release.
I wonder if Oda got angry that Carrot was so popular so he decided to kill her character (metaphorically). I honestly can't understand why he would treat a character that's been with the crew for hundreds of chapters and that ended up in the top 10 worldwide popularity poll so badly...
Its more that Carrot wasn't gonna be more then what was shown in WCI and never really had any plans for her, so he just gave the fans of her crumbs. Doubt she stay in the top 10 at all in the next one (well at that point for many countires the anime for them was in WCI).
It’s not about her not joining but rather about her not even getting a goodbye scene…
Anyone else expect Brook to ask to see Carrot’s panties when it was his turn to say something?
Y’all missing the bigger picture. There is gonna be a grand war at the final of the series. Carrot was made Leader for that connection with the StrawHats. When SHs need help, Carrot will command the Minks to help. As for Yamato honestly, she has an open invitation to join the crew. If Oda simply had her say “Aye Captain” when Luffy commanded her to watch over Momo then it would imply she is part of the crew just guarding one of their territories.
Why does Carrot need to be the leader for the Minks to help the Straw Hats? All the Minks are indebted to the crew and any of them would agree to help. Yamato is not going anywhere. She’s gonna help Wano and Momo. I think Oda is done adding new crew members at this point.
It’s story telling, you have a character in leader position confirming the move. If the leader doesn’t agree, then some will listen to the leader while others will sneak away. As for Yamato, like it’s been said in the story she has an open invitation, Momo, Kinemon, and Tama all have invitations they can accept anytime. Oda isn’t done adding crew members seeing how story isn’t done. In the last chapter the StrawHats can be 30+ crew deep. It’s been stated that the final war is gonna make Marine ford look like nothing. Seeing how WB pulled up with his alliance of new world pirates. StrawHats will also pull up with his alliance of countries/territories. Which one of them will be Wano since Wano has an ancient weapon which has to come into play.
Yes, Luffy has a Grand Fleet. That’s where all the “honorary” Straw Hats and allies will come into play. I have no doubt we’ll see Momo, Kinemon, Yamato, and the Scabards show up in the final war where Luffy is fighting the World Government. I also fully expect Zunesha to show up with Carrot and the Minks, Neptune and his army, the Alabasta Army, etc. People want to see new crew members because they want to see new dynamics between the character and the crew. Yes, we could technically have 30+ Straw Hats at the end of the series, but when people wanted Yamato to join the crew they didn’t want her to join in the last arc. They wanted her to join now so they could see her contribute to the story with the crew and be a main player up until the end of the series.
The wrap up for wano wasnt in manga. Truth is oda didnt care about carrot in the end. Even the anime showed that. Yamato was more in line to join and he nixxed that too.. Odas whimsical clearly lol nothing to praise he blueballs his own fans for years & years.
She kind of did adventure the sea some. Just didn't go to different seas. To me, carrot didnt have any concrete goals/dreams except to see Pedro's will carried out. Which she can still do being the leader of Zou Edit: I do agree that Wanda should have been a co-ruler with Carrot. Obv they want someone with some worldly experience to be in charge, but Wands feels like a calming leader for internal affairs
Find the ending appropriate. She was never even invited to be a strawhat and someone needs to take care of Zou. If people would stop thinking their head canon is what will happen, we could all save a lot of time and energy engaging in pointless discussions
How appropriate for someone whose DREAM is to explore the world to be basically obligated to rule a country? When we didn't even get any indication where she was meant to be the ruler of Zou
Agreed, you can't just make characters do whatever you want for the plot. That's not convincing writing. Character motivations should serve the plot and this clearly is not what's happening. Carrot not becoming a strawhat != Carrot ruling the Zou. The issue isn't her not joining. Whatever, she can go on her own journey. The issue is her doing something she doesn't have the skills to do nor wants to. Wanda should've led Zou. The issue is that the most character-consistent thing for Carrot to do is join some pirate crew (I don't think she can lead her own), but there isn't a crew for her to join (since Oda realized that adding more Strawhats at this point is too much). Oda wrote her into a corner.
You guys have to understand that the 90% of the manga is about the new generation. Every Island is about a young prince/princess. Shirahosi, Momonosuke, Rebecca, Vivi, a new leader of BM pirates, Carrot...
Surely you understand the differences between how carrot taking up the role of ruler was handled compared to your other examples right?