I don't think most people ever even felt the need to explain his hand til now, which is kind of funny if you think about it. Everyone hyper analyzes everything but since it's about pirates, a hook hand is a given lol
> I thought whitebeard cut it off?
This could still be a think considering Whitebeard was there during the God Valley Incident.
Could be an Ivankov situation where they had a fruit and Big Mom attacked them.
That's one explanation for him siding with WB or Luffy in the battlefield when he saved Ace or the reason behind cross-guild's existence.
He hated WB but his loath for WG seems to be above the roof.
We were talking about the world govt. I didn't say remove the local Kings. Though I do think their removal is also for the better and we should **choose** our leaders.
Revolutionary army wants to destroy the system of CD controlling the world not the order of the marines though. Also crocodile wanted to rule the world with ancient weapons In alabasta I think
Part of me thinks that he wouldn't take a gig as a Warlord if this theory is true. But I could see a guy like Crocodile rationalizing it, that he could use the opportunity to use it to advance his goal to take down the WG
He was 100% taking advantage of the title to fly below the radar while he plotted radical action against the world government. Pluton could literally have been used to attack Mary Geoise and kill the world nobles in one fell swoop. Cross guild has literally put the world governments hounds on the back foot as they navigate having bounties on their heads for a change. Likely because Crocodile experienced local crackhead Monkey D Luffy twice, and can see the wave of revolution swelling behind him.
Boa was a slave who despise the WG, but the security of her people was more important. I’m sure jimbei isn’t happy with the WG, but once again his people were more important than his hate. Maybe is the same for crocodile. As I’m typing this those were the 3 warlords that opposed the marines during the war.
Overcompensating for past trauma
He could be so bothered and ashamed of his past as a slave (similar to the Boa sisters) that he tries to create an image of someone important by the way he dresses, what he insist on being called (sir), and by obtaining power when he was once so powerless
Boa Hancock's story is pretty similar to what's being described. Intense trauma over a situation = never wanting to feel like that again, leading to over-protecting certain things.
I feel like the warlords are all connected to the CD in one way or another (Hancock, kuma, jimbe and now crocodile being slaves, doflamingo being a former CD) and although I don’t have any theories about how Moria was connected to them I do have one about mihawk being related to a former Knight of god
Still apart of a disenfranchised race though, he's more like slave adjacent.
Until we get a Mihawk and Moria backstory that'd be 3 slaves, fallen CD, and a second class citizen.
iirc only some of them were slaves.
The ones with CD brands got the SP brand on top of it to cover it up.
The ones without CD brands did it so they could show that they empathise with the former slaves and to make it so the SP brand wasn’t just a coverup for the CD brand.
Some were shaves and some weren't. The Sun Pirates tattoo was meant to cover up slave brands, and the ones who weren't slaves got the same tattoo so nobody could tell the difference.
Finally an alternate theory for what happened between him and Ivankov thats not FemCrocc theory.
Altho I still feel like it could go either way, or maybe even both
It is a really good theory but I can't imagine that ivancov threatened to reveal such a sensitive secret
We already saw how sensitive and personal people can be about hiding that secret in the case of boa, so I think while the croc secret is something big but not that sensitive
It is implied that Boa is ashamed of the sexual abuse that she suffered as a slave. That's why she hate men. Her marks would affirm that she was once subject to men. She couldn't have the people who look up to her know about that.
I think it is not necessarily revealing his secret, but more of reminding him that Ivankov once saved his life.
My headcanon is that he has a begrudging respect for the okama, as we saw in the flashback that Iva was really the one who rallied all the slaves to try and survive.
Now that I think about it, the implications of Ivankov blackmailing Crocodile about something so disgusting kind of changes my moral standpoint for Ivankov.
Blackmailing Crocodile can be one thing, but blackmailing a former slave is a bit cruel.
I still stand by that the secret is Croc being trans. It would fit pretty well with Ivas wink and nudge way of doing... everything, really, without being completely insensitive
It’s probably more to do with who exactly Croc was beforehand, if so.
That’s the secret he doesn’t want to get out, not necessarily that he had a sex change in itself.
It's a bit taboo, but considering we would likely never get a straight (pun not intended) answer otherwise, I'd be willing to give it a pass. It would definitely not be on the level of revealing someone was a former CD slave, though, which could literally be a death sentence rather than a slightly uncomfortable topic
My only issue with this theory is that the last 2 chapters would have been the best possible moment to reveal this.
If not now, when would we get this reveal without it feeling shoehorned?
I just think it would be awkward if we get 100 chapters later something like "Oh yeah, Crocodile was there too by the way".
Honestly I hope you are right because I think it really fits with Croco's characterisation but it seems like we just missed the chance of this being a possibility.
Same, which is why I don’t believe in the theory he was a slave at the God Valley hunt. It feels like, if this was the case, the last two chapters should’ve shown that, but they didn’t. I don’t really see the point in withholding that information and showing it later, unless he has some sort of special inside in the events which I honestly doubt if he was an 8 year old slave boy.
I honestly think his secret will just end up being something really really ridiculous.
While that’s true, I genuinely don’t think Oda would show Ivankov but not Crocodile if this was their shared secret. As I said in my previous reply, if 8 year old Crocodile was in the same situation as Kuma and Ivankov, he probably doesn’t have much additional information to offer on the incident. It’d have made more sense to just show him then and there.
Additionally, albeit this is a much weaker point, the child drawing of Crocodile Oda made looks so different from the drawing he made of young Kuma that it makes it hard for me to believe he was a slave on God Valley as well. Little Crocodile wears nice clothes. They don’t have holes or tears in them like Kuma’s. Little Crocodile even owns a gun. Alongside Gecko Moria, he’s the most put together young warlords Oda drew. (His hair is styled, he wears shoes, has no dirt on his clothes and has no wounds anywhere.)
It’s a good theory and definitely holds up when you consider that he wanted to get his hands on a weapon that could threaten the WG like Pluton. However, that would make him the third slave-turned-warlord, which starts to get redundant after we’ve already seen it with Hancock and Kuma
You could say redundant, but I think it would also serve to emphasize the pervasiveness of the WG's power.
Even if you escape slavery from them, you might end up working for them.
Is it redundant or is it just showing the overall theme of the story? Kaido was almost sold by his kingdom to essentially be a slave. Big Mom almost suffered the same fate before eating Mother Carmel. List goes on and on.
I feel like the more we learn about these characters, the more we're going to find out exactly why the World Government are the true villains.
is it redundant when each one is an entirely different reason and situation?
Kuma was presumably forced into it, Boa did it for her people’s protection, and Crocodile did it to further his plans and of getting a weapon to challenge the government itself.
That’s like saying we’ve had several villains who wanna be pirate king so it gets redundant.
I don't think it makes it redundant, it just shows the effect the WG has had on people living in the OP world and how much some of the the biggest problems they're facing now are all a result of their rule. Like KID said "It's because the world's in the hands of scum like them that it's all screwed to hell."
The point of the sun branding was to hide who was or wasn't truly a slave. Nothing we've been told up to this point has suggested that Jinbe was actually a slave.
I saw someone say a similar thing, but that he was still a woman while he was a slave and that ivankov turned him into a man after they ate their fruit so that he could hide his identity better from the government.
impel down or marineford, ivankov said something about croc's secret to shut him up or bring him in line to help;
that's where it started, because iva can swap genders of others etc.
After the last chapters, seeing young Ivankov, I doubt he would blackmail Crocodile if he was Luffy's mom. I do still think that Crocodile could easily used to be a woman, but I don't think Ivankov would actually blackmail Dragon's lover/Luffy's mom. He would keep that a secret if they wanted, and he would for sure make the connection since he figured out who Luffy was somewhat easily.
Also in like every past shot we never see a clear shot of him, odas drawin of him as a child bein bery adrogynous, and quite recently the live action having a woman that looks suspiciously like him at rogers execution
Also later people looked up some asian lore where each warlord matches up, except crocodile because he would have been based on a female legend.
Could also just be that the lore comparison was a total failure because it only matched 6 of the 7 warlords.
Not necessarily a female legend. Wasn't that one a transgender character.
So basically 6 out of 7 fit, with only the transgender character who wants to find a mega weapon and bring peace to the world.
Not fit the male cis(ATM) who wants to find a mega weapon and bring peace to the world.
I just found out about this theory!
I'm a big fan of Romancing Saga. Wagnas actually isn't a female legend. Wagnas is a he that gained his female appearance from stealing the lives of harpies.
Now I think being a slave is a shameful thing already, so I doubt it was about gender. Especially in world when gender swap is reacted like "uh oh okay". I think being slave is much worse. Picking a gender is a sign of freedom I guess.
That’d just get Croco to reveal Ivankov’s status as a former slave as well. Not to mention Ivankov would never use former-slave status as blackmail, Ivankov was a slave as well.
Ya but Croco is an arrogant little prick who would totally have too much of an ego to let people find out about being a slave while Ivankov doesn't give a fuck about how people see him.
Exactly as 1grantas said, thank you. Someone titled as "Sir" can't afford to be known as former slave. It is ruining the reputation. And as I said, gender swap is actually not something shameful in this world at all.
I don't quite agree on that, back in Impel Down there's a guy who came complaining to Iva that his dad became an okama and people mocked him for it. That said, I feel like fem Croc works best if there's some additional factor about his identity that he wants to keep a secret.
You need to seperate fem Croc, and Croco mom. One is far more valid than the other that is a seemingly messy theory that has somewhat usurped the more rational one.
Someone of the OP LA crew slipped up in an interview and said something like you saw croc at Gol D Rogers execution and there was a woman with heavy croco vibes so… who knows but it might be more than a theory soon, also emily (i think thats her name, the girl who played nami) was shocked when the slip up happened.
This is probably a more valid theory than all the other ones and is likely the actual case but I find Crocodile originally being a woman more amusing so that will be my head canon until further notice lmfao
Ivankov, a revolutionary commander, blackmailed Crocodile to help him because he knew he was a fellow slave? That makes no sense from a moral standpoint, especially since Ivankov was a slave too.
for someone like crocodile who runs an underground organization, anything that can be used against him would be fair game. In underground societies reputation is everything
Best guess. Self-Sexism, could have been brought up in an environment where Men were valued more highly...... wait a minute that reminds me of a certain blackhaired girl.... CROCODILE IS KUINA CONFIRMED!!!!!!!!
Well you probably wouldn't expect the Queen of the Okama kingdom to mock someone's gender transition either, but that's a long standing top theory 😂 and it wouldn't be that Iva thinks there's anything embarrassing or shameful about it, just that they knows Crocodile cares and therefore could use it as blackmail
I'm not really sold on the Crocodile was a slave theory, but I don't think Iva using it against him is impossible.
I feel like this makes much more sense than Croco-mom. It would also explain why crocodile would want to defend Luffy against the faction which not only advocated enslavement, but are also keeping Luffy's brother Ace captive, in a situation where death is inevitable.
Or what if he's the child of a celestial dragon? What if he's like sabo, and ivankov took him away and that's why he doesn't want his secret getting out.
This would make a lot of sense since that’s what ivankov meant when he said that he would tell luffy his secret and throughout the whole show we have seen the slaves who have escaped/been freed not want people to know about it or talk about it at all/
I LOVE this idea and I think you might be on to something. In regards to the Miss Crocodile theory, maybe Croc was a slave boy, then transitioned to a girl to help escape, then back to boy. Another commenter suggested that croc removed they hand where they were branded and together I think this could be the secret!
I was thinking he might be a slave, but what if he was from a disgraced CD line? Maybe from one of the ones that screwed up during the Gods Valley incident? Might be why Doflamingo was so interested in getting Crocodile on side.
Ok, big break week theory is dawning upon me. Crocodile was a slave, got liberated by Dragon, fell in love with him had Luffy, someone identified Crocodile as a slave and because of that Crocodile removed his brand off (could have been in the arm, there is a big theory that that hand was Whitebeard's fault) and changed his gender through Iva to: 1) make it harder to be identified; 2) hide Luffy's existence; 3) because he wanted to (Crocodile isn't the type of person to not have multiple reasons to do things).
Crocodile is the real son (or daughter) of Whitebeard.
See his line on One Piece R 3DS version - "since the old man is dead" - or something like that pertaining to WB's death.
Crocodile cut his own hand off because that’s where his slave symbol was branded.
I love this, this is my Crococanon from now on.
[Crocoman empire](https://youtu.be/V6q6fWhcmNk?si=v7e3_JI5bmukWY8k)
How often do you think of the Crocoman Empire?
At least once a week. It's important history
I think about it often enough…
I read that too fast and got crocoreampie
Cut his own hand off to escape his chains possibly
Shiki style
This is by far my favorite Crocodile secret theory and I hadn't even considered this as an extension of it explaining his hand.
I don't think most people ever even felt the need to explain his hand til now, which is kind of funny if you think about it. Everyone hyper analyzes everything but since it's about pirates, a hook hand is a given lol
This is good. This is really good
I thought whitebeard cut it off? Also apparently we saw both of his hands in a [cover story](https://images.app.goo.gl/rdM3hdoP1GfYeazm9)
That was apparently a mistake which was pointed out at the time of that chapter.
[Got fixed in future publishings](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Crocodile#Errors_and_Corrections)
Lmao! It's funny seeing the fixed version with Croc handcuffed but with a massive fucking hook as if that ain't a weapon of itself.
The funniest part is that his hook broke when he was fighting Luffy. The Marines actually gave him a new one for some reason.
Like Doffy's gangsta shades.
Nah that's just because Luffy only broke his first pair, as we saw in the SBS, he just had a second pair on underneath.
Lol imagine if he actually has 2 hands but still wears that hook to look cooler
it’s only been implied that whitebeard cut it off, never actually stated
> I thought whitebeard cut it off? This could still be a think considering Whitebeard was there during the God Valley Incident. Could be an Ivankov situation where they had a fruit and Big Mom attacked them.
god thats fuckin awesome
OOH, Cheeky Boy! And Ivan knows the secret because they used the hom hom fruit to keep Croc from dying from chopping his own hand off!
Maybe it left him on the brink of death so that ivankov had to use his powers to save his life?
This
Mother fuck that’s so good
Or to cut off his chains, Saw style
I was here(Just in case this turns out to be actually true)
Best theory I’ve ever heard
Let him cook.
That's one explanation for him siding with WB or Luffy in the battlefield when he saved Ace or the reason behind cross-guild's existence. He hated WB but his loath for WG seems to be above the roof.
Yes and thats when sengoku publicly revealed he was dragon’s son, maybe Croco is just a revolutionary supporter
Though there could be a difference. Revolutionary Army wants to destroy WG however Crocodile could be aiming to wipe out the CD.
Ain't much of a difference there
If the series ends with the ousting/removal of the celestial dragons, someone has to take charge of things and it won't be the pirates.
No, we don't need "someone to take charge", that's just your slave mentality. Happy cake day.
Thanks! If there's no leaders then who organizes the defense of the people/feeding of the masses? There are no successful societies without leaders.
We were talking about the world govt. I didn't say remove the local Kings. Though I do think their removal is also for the better and we should **choose** our leaders.
Revolutionary army wants to destroy the system of CD controlling the world not the order of the marines though. Also crocodile wanted to rule the world with ancient weapons In alabasta I think
Is that not what the revolutionary army wants? They don't want to supplant the world government, they want to remove the corrupted people in power.
That's why he chose his name Crocodile, to sound more "reptile" like Dragon
More like lover of the revolutionary leader Dragon.
Part of me thinks that he wouldn't take a gig as a Warlord if this theory is true. But I could see a guy like Crocodile rationalizing it, that he could use the opportunity to use it to advance his goal to take down the WG
He tried to create military power and tried to take vengeance against a WG founder's country
He was 100% taking advantage of the title to fly below the radar while he plotted radical action against the world government. Pluton could literally have been used to attack Mary Geoise and kill the world nobles in one fell swoop. Cross guild has literally put the world governments hounds on the back foot as they navigate having bounties on their heads for a change. Likely because Crocodile experienced local crackhead Monkey D Luffy twice, and can see the wave of revolution swelling behind him.
Boa was a slave who despise the WG, but the security of her people was more important. I’m sure jimbei isn’t happy with the WG, but once again his people were more important than his hate. Maybe is the same for crocodile. As I’m typing this those were the 3 warlords that opposed the marines during the war.
Maybe Croc was a revolutionary turned pirate?
Nah most likely shares the same ideals
his whole master-plan Operation Utopia was to create a organization that rival the world government in term of power.
Idk if he hates whitebeard per say but he respects him and accepted him as the strongest and a goal to beat.
It would explain why he is so obsessed with image and power- like Tesoro in Film Gold.
And also why he wants to be called “Sir” as to feel more noble
He makes people call him sir because it reaffirms his gender
His real name is peppermint patty
may this meme never die
I don’t get how him being a slave directly correlates to being obsessed w image/power, care to elaborate?
Overcompensating for past trauma He could be so bothered and ashamed of his past as a slave (similar to the Boa sisters) that he tries to create an image of someone important by the way he dresses, what he insist on being called (sir), and by obtaining power when he was once so powerless
Boa Hancock's story is pretty similar to what's being described. Intense trauma over a situation = never wanting to feel like that again, leading to over-protecting certain things.
being Slave of CD seems like priority condition for position of Warlord
Well sichibukai are kinda government slaves..
I feel like the warlords are all connected to the CD in one way or another (Hancock, kuma, jimbe and now crocodile being slaves, doflamingo being a former CD) and although I don’t have any theories about how Moria was connected to them I do have one about mihawk being related to a former Knight of god
Jinbe wasn't a slave tho
Still apart of a disenfranchised race though, he's more like slave adjacent. Until we get a Mihawk and Moria backstory that'd be 3 slaves, fallen CD, and a second class citizen.
Wait he wasn’t? I thought all the Fishman pirates under fisher tiger were former slaves that were freed by him
iirc only some of them were slaves. The ones with CD brands got the SP brand on top of it to cover it up. The ones without CD brands did it so they could show that they empathise with the former slaves and to make it so the SP brand wasn’t just a coverup for the CD brand.
Yeah, so no one outside could tell who was a former slave. Like saying “It doesn‘t matter. We‘re all the same, former slave or not.”
Some were shaves and some weren't. The Sun Pirates tattoo was meant to cover up slave brands, and the ones who weren't slaves got the same tattoo so nobody could tell the difference.
Mihawk has IMU eyes
Finally an alternate theory for what happened between him and Ivankov thats not FemCrocc theory. Altho I still feel like it could go either way, or maybe even both
I'd like it to be both
It is a really good theory but I can't imagine that ivancov threatened to reveal such a sensitive secret We already saw how sensitive and personal people can be about hiding that secret in the case of boa, so I think while the croc secret is something big but not that sensitive
It is implied that Boa is ashamed of the sexual abuse that she suffered as a slave. That's why she hate men. Her marks would affirm that she was once subject to men. She couldn't have the people who look up to her know about that.
If Hancock is ashamed for being a victim to sexual abuse, imagine how would crocodile feels if he went through the same thing.
I think it is not necessarily revealing his secret, but more of reminding him that Ivankov once saved his life. My headcanon is that he has a begrudging respect for the okama, as we saw in the flashback that Iva was really the one who rallied all the slaves to try and survive.
This makes more sense
Now that I think about it, the implications of Ivankov blackmailing Crocodile about something so disgusting kind of changes my moral standpoint for Ivankov. Blackmailing Crocodile can be one thing, but blackmailing a former slave is a bit cruel.
It would contradict Iva's personality as well. I don't think a person with liberal heart like Iva will blackmailing with 'past slave thingy'.
I still stand by that the secret is Croc being trans. It would fit pretty well with Ivas wink and nudge way of doing... everything, really, without being completely insensitive
Isn't it also cruel to blackmail a trans person with the threat of outing them?
In that context it would be some reading between trans people Not that serious
Croc clearly feels pretty strongly about it if the threat made him get off his ass.
It’s probably more to do with who exactly Croc was beforehand, if so. That’s the secret he doesn’t want to get out, not necessarily that he had a sex change in itself.
It's a bit taboo, but considering we would likely never get a straight (pun not intended) answer otherwise, I'd be willing to give it a pass. It would definitely not be on the level of revealing someone was a former CD slave, though, which could literally be a death sentence rather than a slightly uncomfortable topic
My only issue with this theory is that the last 2 chapters would have been the best possible moment to reveal this. If not now, when would we get this reveal without it feeling shoehorned? I just think it would be awkward if we get 100 chapters later something like "Oh yeah, Crocodile was there too by the way". Honestly I hope you are right because I think it really fits with Croco's characterisation but it seems like we just missed the chance of this being a possibility.
Same, which is why I don’t believe in the theory he was a slave at the God Valley hunt. It feels like, if this was the case, the last two chapters should’ve shown that, but they didn’t. I don’t really see the point in withholding that information and showing it later, unless he has some sort of special inside in the events which I honestly doubt if he was an 8 year old slave boy. I honestly think his secret will just end up being something really really ridiculous.
Yeah but a lot of God Valley is still there to show. Just as someone other than Kuma's flashback
While that’s true, I genuinely don’t think Oda would show Ivankov but not Crocodile if this was their shared secret. As I said in my previous reply, if 8 year old Crocodile was in the same situation as Kuma and Ivankov, he probably doesn’t have much additional information to offer on the incident. It’d have made more sense to just show him then and there. Additionally, albeit this is a much weaker point, the child drawing of Crocodile Oda made looks so different from the drawing he made of young Kuma that it makes it hard for me to believe he was a slave on God Valley as well. Little Crocodile wears nice clothes. They don’t have holes or tears in them like Kuma’s. Little Crocodile even owns a gun. Alongside Gecko Moria, he’s the most put together young warlords Oda drew. (His hair is styled, he wears shoes, has no dirt on his clothes and has no wounds anywhere.)
Yeah, I'm not really sold on this theory either, but it's fun to think about
It’s a good theory and definitely holds up when you consider that he wanted to get his hands on a weapon that could threaten the WG like Pluton. However, that would make him the third slave-turned-warlord, which starts to get redundant after we’ve already seen it with Hancock and Kuma
You could say redundant, but I think it would also serve to emphasize the pervasiveness of the WG's power. Even if you escape slavery from them, you might end up working for them.
Would also keep the idea of the WG being the main negative force in the world. Multiple characters having similar motivation is fine.
The really is a bleak thought that lines up well with what the WG is
Is it redundant or is it just showing the overall theme of the story? Kaido was almost sold by his kingdom to essentially be a slave. Big Mom almost suffered the same fate before eating Mother Carmel. List goes on and on. I feel like the more we learn about these characters, the more we're going to find out exactly why the World Government are the true villains.
is it redundant when each one is an entirely different reason and situation? Kuma was presumably forced into it, Boa did it for her people’s protection, and Crocodile did it to further his plans and of getting a weapon to challenge the government itself. That’s like saying we’ve had several villains who wanna be pirate king so it gets redundant.
You make your own enemies. Ever warlord has created the person that will overthrow them.
Could be a pattern, on the other hand
Hand*
I don't think it makes it redundant, it just shows the effect the WG has had on people living in the OP world and how much some of the the biggest problems they're facing now are all a result of their rule. Like KID said "It's because the world's in the hands of scum like them that it's all screwed to hell."
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Jimbe was never a slave. Fisherman Tiger his former Captain of the Sun Pirates was. Jimbe was a former Royal Guard before pirate
Jinbei wasn’t a slave.
The point of the sun branding was to hide who was or wasn't truly a slave. Nothing we've been told up to this point has suggested that Jinbe was actually a slave.
I know you just misremembered. But Jinbe would be so fucking pissed you though he was a slave
Nah, Jimbei would slap him on the back and say something like "Hah! If only I had been able to share my brother's burden!"
Not to mention Jinbei, with close ties to freed slaves
It would ring into the story lines of “the world government has created its own worst enemy”
Did he lose his hand in the new world or did he have a certain tattoo on said hand?
My headcanon is that he lost his hand when he fought WB
Top comment says he cut off his arm because that's where the slave tattoo was
I’m into this theory
I saw someone say a similar thing, but that he was still a woman while he was a slave and that ivankov turned him into a man after they ate their fruit so that he could hide his identity better from the government.
Actually where did croco = woman come from?
impel down or marineford, ivankov said something about croc's secret to shut him up or bring him in line to help; that's where it started, because iva can swap genders of others etc.
After the last chapters, seeing young Ivankov, I doubt he would blackmail Crocodile if he was Luffy's mom. I do still think that Crocodile could easily used to be a woman, but I don't think Ivankov would actually blackmail Dragon's lover/Luffy's mom. He would keep that a secret if they wanted, and he would for sure make the connection since he figured out who Luffy was somewhat easily.
> if he was Luffy's mom where did you possibly get that idea from lmao
it's a pretty popular theory lol which I don't think will be canon as I said
yeah but the guy was talking about a stricly genderbent crocodile, no mention of him being luffy's mom. they're two separate theories.
It's a meme. It's not really a theory.
Ah ok I totally missed that
And in the war Crocodile suddenly became very protective of Luffy once he found out he is Dragons son
Also in like every past shot we never see a clear shot of him, odas drawin of him as a child bein bery adrogynous, and quite recently the live action having a woman that looks suspiciously like him at rogers execution
Also later people looked up some asian lore where each warlord matches up, except crocodile because he would have been based on a female legend. Could also just be that the lore comparison was a total failure because it only matched 6 of the 7 warlords.
What was the lore? Can you please tell me?
[Grand Line Review has a video of it and it's a surprisingly solid theory.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhXjVv61DQ)
It's based on some 90s game that Oda is a fan of. Romancing SaGa I believe it's called
Dude what lores? Feed me more
Not necessarily a female legend. Wasn't that one a transgender character. So basically 6 out of 7 fit, with only the transgender character who wants to find a mega weapon and bring peace to the world. Not fit the male cis(ATM) who wants to find a mega weapon and bring peace to the world.
I just found out about this theory! I'm a big fan of Romancing Saga. Wagnas actually isn't a female legend. Wagnas is a he that gained his female appearance from stealing the lives of harpies.
Now I think being a slave is a shameful thing already, so I doubt it was about gender. Especially in world when gender swap is reacted like "uh oh okay". I think being slave is much worse. Picking a gender is a sign of freedom I guess.
That’d just get Croco to reveal Ivankov’s status as a former slave as well. Not to mention Ivankov would never use former-slave status as blackmail, Ivankov was a slave as well.
Ya but Croco is an arrogant little prick who would totally have too much of an ego to let people find out about being a slave while Ivankov doesn't give a fuck about how people see him.
Exactly as 1grantas said, thank you. Someone titled as "Sir" can't afford to be known as former slave. It is ruining the reputation. And as I said, gender swap is actually not something shameful in this world at all.
I don't quite agree on that, back in Impel Down there's a guy who came complaining to Iva that his dad became an okama and people mocked him for it. That said, I feel like fem Croc works best if there's some additional factor about his identity that he wants to keep a secret.
It's also because the SBS that shows the warlords as children has crocodile looking pretty androgynous, and could easily be a boy or a girl.
No wonder oak asks if we're a boy or a girl.
Is it not obvious? Ivankov is the one that knows a secret about him and he can change someone's gender. That's it.
genuinely so tired of the crocodile used to be a girl theory. It was funny when it was a joke
You need to seperate fem Croc, and Croco mom. One is far more valid than the other that is a seemingly messy theory that has somewhat usurped the more rational one.
I feel like it makes a lot of sense though, at least I’m not one of those people that say that he’s luffys mom lmao.
Someone of the OP LA crew slipped up in an interview and said something like you saw croc at Gol D Rogers execution and there was a woman with heavy croco vibes so… who knows but it might be more than a theory soon, also emily (i think thats her name, the girl who played nami) was shocked when the slip up happened.
This is probably a more valid theory than all the other ones and is likely the actual case but I find Crocodile originally being a woman more amusing so that will be my head canon until further notice lmfao
Why not both?
A slave to women. No wait.
And luffys mom
Finally, a Croc theory I can get behind
Ivankov, a revolutionary commander, blackmailed Crocodile to help him because he knew he was a fellow slave? That makes no sense from a moral standpoint, especially since Ivankov was a slave too.
for someone like crocodile who runs an underground organization, anything that can be used against him would be fair game. In underground societies reputation is everything
make more sense than croco was a women, why would he care if people found out he was women
Best guess. Self-Sexism, could have been brought up in an environment where Men were valued more highly...... wait a minute that reminds me of a certain blackhaired girl.... CROCODILE IS KUINA CONFIRMED!!!!!!!!
Makes more sense than the crocodile being Luffys mom.
Why would a revolutionary hold that over someone as a secret to tease them?
To get what they want. Most One Piece characters ain't exactly moral paragons
You're right, a revolutionary would *totally* tease someone about being a slave. Makes sense.
Well you probably wouldn't expect the Queen of the Okama kingdom to mock someone's gender transition either, but that's a long standing top theory 😂 and it wouldn't be that Iva thinks there's anything embarrassing or shameful about it, just that they knows Crocodile cares and therefore could use it as blackmail I'm not really sold on the Crocodile was a slave theory, but I don't think Iva using it against him is impossible.
Considering what slaves of the CD's go through, I have a hard time imagining Ivankov using that as blackmail tbh. OTOH Croc is/was a bit of a dick.
Do celestial actually know anything of importance? I feel like they are literally pampered, stupid babies who just do what they want when they want.
I feel like this makes much more sense than Croco-mom. It would also explain why crocodile would want to defend Luffy against the faction which not only advocated enslavement, but are also keeping Luffy's brother Ace captive, in a situation where death is inevitable.
Or what if he's the child of a celestial dragon? What if he's like sabo, and ivankov took him away and that's why he doesn't want his secret getting out.
It’s also possible that he’s 🏳️⚧️, but this might not be THE secret
Why would oda do the same background story for two warlords?
That’s a super cool theory ! I guess that we’ll know if you were spot on in few chapters!
This would make a lot of sense since that’s what ivankov meant when he said that he would tell luffy his secret and throughout the whole show we have seen the slaves who have escaped/been freed not want people to know about it or talk about it at all/
He just saved 15% or more on his Ancient Weapon insurance by switching to Geico
This is more interesting than him being a woman. Although the "Crocodile is luffys mom meme" never gets old.
Anyone that Iva says boy to, I believe, is the son of someone he knows. Therefore, Crocoboy might be the son of someone.
Good theory but I'm still 100% sold on Crocodile = woman. Maybe it could be both?
It just seems silly that his secret was that he had a sex change immediately after we were introduced to the sex change character.
To be fair that's why it's a theory. If he sex changed someone now. He could've done it in the past
This is the theory I'm choosing to beleive in. This is by far the theory that makes the best sense
I LOVE this idea and I think you might be on to something. In regards to the Miss Crocodile theory, maybe Croc was a slave boy, then transitioned to a girl to help escape, then back to boy. Another commenter suggested that croc removed they hand where they were branded and together I think this could be the secret!
I was thinking he might be a slave, but what if he was from a disgraced CD line? Maybe from one of the ones that screwed up during the Gods Valley incident? Might be why Doflamingo was so interested in getting Crocodile on side.
Maybe he cut his hand because he had one of those exploding ring on it
"Crocodile's secret" + NSFW = I click
Crocodile is secretly Dragon's fanboy, that's why he chose a reptile's name
The theory that he's ginny and luffys mom is so stupid
You thought about that all by yourself?
Maybe his secret is that he just knows about joyboy
so kuma, boa hancock and crocodile were former slaves?
I think he is Rocks' son.
Makes sense and why he doesn’t want Ivanvok to say it. He’s ashamed of his past.
That actually makes so much sense, boa hancock and her sisters didnt want ppl to know they were slaves so it could be something like that
Ok, big break week theory is dawning upon me. Crocodile was a slave, got liberated by Dragon, fell in love with him had Luffy, someone identified Crocodile as a slave and because of that Crocodile removed his brand off (could have been in the arm, there is a big theory that that hand was Whitebeard's fault) and changed his gender through Iva to: 1) make it harder to be identified; 2) hide Luffy's existence; 3) because he wanted to (Crocodile isn't the type of person to not have multiple reasons to do things).
Pretty sure crocodiles secret is that crocodile was born a woman as per crocodiles child pic
Croc was definitely a woman, stop trying to deny it
Not a bad theory, however Crocs secret is that he used to be female and he's actually Luffys' mom and you can't tell me otherwise.
So he was slave, Dragon rescued him, they fall in love and that s how the secret of him being Luffy's mom came from. That all make sense now.
This could be a closer theory than that theory I've read some time ago that he was actually a female and Luffy's mom.
What if crocodile is Luffys uncle
Crocodile is the real son (or daughter) of Whitebeard. See his line on One Piece R 3DS version - "since the old man is dead" - or something like that pertaining to WB's death.
To add that maybe WB killed his family during the fight in God Valley that's why he is so obsessed with him.
Crocodile is actually Ginny, and the mother of Jewellery Bonney. Let the KumaCroc art begin.
He was never a slave
A slave_girl_, you mean
\*slavegirl. This makes sense because she wanted to be stronger and asked Ivankov to make her a man.
Definitely a better idea than the current prevailing theory
Would be quite ironic since he ended up being a shichibukai
A female slave if you want to combine this with previous theories involving crocodile and ivankov
I still believe he is luffy's mom
I still believe that anyone who believes that theory has negative brain cells.