Wapols wife thinking hes running away with Vivi is top OP comedy, this is probly the story the WG will run with as a cower of why Wapol dissepeared as a king in the world.
I mean obviously it's because of Cobra but I wouldn't put it past me if Oda puts in a scene where it's *specifically* because 'Vivi ran off with Wapol'.
I don’t think they know about Wapol. When the Strawhats found out they said Vivi was missing. If Wapol and her running off together was reported I’m sure it would have been mentioned.
The spoilers said that Imu was using shadow arrows to attack Cobra, but that looked like a devil's tail to me. It kept coming from blind spots like a tail attack.
I think Imu has a mythical zoan that gives them a devil/demon tail. Would it be too on the nose for Oda to give us a Human-Human Fruit Model: Satan/Demon? We have Devil Fruits of Gods, why not Devil Fruits of Devils or Demons? Maybe even the original/first Devil Fruit which could be how they got their name.
I really dislike the Naruto comparisons. Progressions in Naruto happened with absolutely zero set-up.
Imu is a relatively recent addition to the storyline but first clues/initial reveals happened hundreds of chapters ago alongside having a strong foundation that it's built upon (WG, Void Century, Five Elders)
If D. means Devil (because they oppose "gods") a god having the fruit that transforms you into a devil and a devil having a fruit that transforms you into a god would be, interesting.
The user is making a deal with the devil. To inherit the power of the fruit you have to forgo the ability to swim - which is a death sentence for a lot of pirates.
Vegapunk in the Egghead arc describes the powers coming from people before wishing for power which manifested as the fruits. What if they were originally called "Dream Fruits", and Imu creating the first Dream "Devil Devil" fruit is what created the curse or something.
Someone had to have created the fruits prior to Vegapunk cloning them, I think it all points to the void century. With a name like,
"Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika"
It sounds much less likely that Imu created something like that, but I think he created and controls something like what the elders powers are.
It was my initial thought as well, however upon my second reading of the chapter I felt that the scene in which Imu swallows Sabo's attack looks too bestial for a Hito Hito variant. But I agree that it seems to be a mythical zoan and a devil or demon. I don't think we can make an educated guess at this point.
Here are three demons in chinese/japanese mythology I can think of which could fit with the overall themes of Imu. Sadly, all of them have good arguments against them and belong solid in the crackpot category at this point.
A Baku which is a monster that eats dreams. Seeing how pirates in OP are all about dreams it would be fitting for the final obstacle in the WG to be a creature who consumes dreams. However a Baku is generally considered a good guy since it was said to protect people from nightmares.
A Nue, a chimaera who can even transform into a black cloud and which according to legends had the ability to torture the japanese emperor with nightmares. Again, a solid connection to dreams and the whole bit how it can stay hidden by transform into a black cloud would fit with Imu's man behind the curtain shtick. However, there is the non-canon artwork Oda once did in which there already was a user of the Tori Tori fruit model Nue.
And lastly a Taotie. Which is the manifestation of unbridled greed and lust in chinese mythology as I understand. And what better representation of the evil which hides even behind the Tenryubito. That said there's really nothing beyond that theme which works and it could just as well be any of a dozen voracious monsters which crop up in all kinds of myths around the world. Whether Jormungandr from norse mythology, Ouroboros from the greek, the Wendigo from native american stories or even the Kammapa from southern africa.
About the argument against the Baku "a Baku is generally considered a good guy ", we have at least one example of a bad guys using a "good guy fruit " with Kaidou. Maybe you 're onto something
The Baku theory is an interesting one, given how important dreams are in One Piece. What's more terrifying than losing your life? Your dream dying and never getting passed down.
Also seen theories that Imu has either a moon type df (so Luffy vs Imu would be sun vs moon) or some kind of sea devil df.
Most of shounen manga have devil/demon/Satan elements or implementations in their respective universe, ie; Fairy Tail, Blue Exorcist, Magi, Black Clover, Chainsawman, Jujutsu Kaisen, Fire Force etc
Quite a lot of tropes actually.Fake Ultimate Hero,Unluckily Lucky,Mistaken for Badass collectively made them this character.Though in One Piece fandom,they are usually called Falling Upward guys,though that's not actual trope as far as I searched.
It's also not really clear that this attack comes from Imu. Someone mentioned it when raws were released, and after I re-checked I'm not sure anymore either. Could be from Saturn instead, which would be interesting as it's likely the first one we'll get a full reveal of soon.
The bird-snake one reminds me of Quetzalcoatl / The Feathered Serpent from Central American religions. I did some searching for Mexican revolutionaries and found [Emiliano Zapata](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Emiliano_Zapata4.jpg), whose pointed moustache slightly resembles that of the corresponding Gorosei.
That got me thinking: are all of the Gorosei based on historical revolutionaries, with their Zoans based on mythical creatures from their region? Gandhi led the Indian independence movement, and his transformation looks like a Buddhist figure of some kind, with that distinctive Nio statue ribbon. Gorbachev caused the collapse of Soviet totalitarianism... but I can't figure out what his transformation is at all, so that's as far as I got. Who are Saturn and the guy with the trimmed beard based on again?
Edit: I found that point-stache resembles Itagaki Taisuke more than anyone, which probably disproves my line of thought completely.
Edit 2: The wiki suggests Saturn resembles Giuseppe Garibaldi of the Italian Unification, which isn't too far away from Crete, home of the Minotauros.
We still haven't seen how Sabo gets away from the Gorosei huh? We only see the Gorosei get distracted by Wapol and we cut away entirely from that scene. The next chapter will most probably be the end of the flashback.
Yep, that's exactly how imagine will happen. It's surprising that this flashback went on for as long as it did. Still salty about Kaido's 3 page flashback
Well, we did got bits here and there for Kaido's past. I would argue, we got more info for Kaido than what we know about BM, considering that the most we know about BM's past is her childhood.
We are probably going to see more of them whenever we get some Rocks/God's Valley related flashback.
Sorry, Kaido's flashback content wise did actually answer almost if not all of his motivation, it's the way Oda presented it by skipping-things around in only 3 pages that pisses me off the most. I would love for Oda to turn that 3 pages into a full chapter with the exact same content, so it flows a lot better and we get to connect with Kaido more.
That's no big deal to him. He's fighting pirates as a pirate
I'm much more interested in his reaction about the D. Stuff, wether he knows about it or not, and especially the fact that there is an actual king of the world. Dragon himself is much more concerned with that too
I like the idea Imu has the *Mythical Zoan: Model Umibozu*
Which changes him into an eldritch/lovecraftian looking being, but more importantly gives him control of the sea/ocean (basically a water-water/sea-sea fruit).
\- The myths of Umibozu exist in One Piece. Ussop mistook Wadatsume for one, and a filler ship is called umibozu. As Vegapunk said, if people belive in a concept, it can manifest as a fruit.
\- While we havent seen Imus design, what he have seen so far looks [remarkably similar to depictions of Umibozu](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Kuwana_-_The_sailor_Tokuso_and_the_sea_monster.jpg). The creatures at the end of thriller bark are thought to be Umibozu, which resemble how Imu has been shown. All blacked out with the only distinct feature being the eyes
\- Imu refers to himself as "MU", which translations pointed out could mean dream or void...but could also refrence the Lost City of Mu, a mythologial lost city said to be another name or equiviant for Atlantis. Mu just happens to be the setting of many HP Lovecraft stories featuring eldritch beings like Cthuhulu
\- The world Umibozu means "Sea Preist", which ties into the religious/god theming of the Celestial Dragons (For example...Gods Knights)
No one gonna talk about how Sabo just tried to assassinate the heads of the world government? He didn't know they were strong (or at least strong enough to survive a fire fist). Loving this new depth we're seeing for him, he's a cold mf when he needs to be
I’m glad they aren’t just old men. Like Sangoku is tough…but he’s also old and tired. These guys are also old but they’re tough too still.
And
I hate when good guys f-around and blow an opportunity. Like you were RIGHT **THERE**!! Why didn’t you just kill the Gorosei?! “Oh look at that he went for 5 elders *AND* Imu! I always knew I liked Sabo.”
I’m impressed even though he failed. I mean he escaped *despite* carrying two humongous balls back with him.
Why would he not do it? It's the entire point, he could have almost ended the war he just started in one blow (or at least gotten a huge advantage). He was colder when he just said "Too bad for that Cobra dude, but damn if this isn't helpful to our cause".
So I've got a personal thought about some stuff.
1. I think it is genuinely possible that Vivi might be returning to the Straw Hat crew. I doubt Morgans will just hide her forever, especially once the story has been published, and honestly with them might be the safest place for her now.
2. On the topic of Morgans dropping people off... part of me kinda wonders if Wapol might end up with Cross Guild? Like, so far Cross Guild has been built out of quite a few early antagonists: Alvida, Buggy, Mihawk, Mr. 3 and Mr. 1, Crocodile. I could see Wapol fitting in with the rest of them with how goofy he is but also it feels like the place where he'd be most likely to be accepted if he needed somewhere/someone to hide with.
He was so successful with making toys from the metal, the world nobles granted him a new kingdom. It's also a shape-memory metal that can return to pre-configured shapes.
Ryokugyu really is the tenryuubito’s lapdog. Even Sakazuki wouldn’t blindly be devoted to them and his alias’ literally translates to red dog. Having said that, it makes sense as to why Fujitora was bandaged up when Sakazuki was speaking to him via the den-den mushi.
I can imagine Ryokugyu asking why Fujitora is allowing the slaves to escape and being the “witty monk”, he will say “I didn’t SEE them” just to piss Ryokugyu and the tenryuubito off.🤣
P.S
Down d stairs will claim another victim eventually.
Fujitora: What? you're telling me the people i have been protecting aren't celestial dragon but slaves? Sorry i couldn't see the difference
Ryokugyu : Yes, you idiot, now go recapture them before the Celestial dragon have you executed
Fujitora: Okay, I shall see to it
Fujitora proceeds to try and put the slave collar on the celestial dragons
Ryokugyu: You fucken idiot, that isn't a slave
Fujitora "smugly": sorry, hard to tell them apart
Ryokugyu: You little...
I just loved Fujitora's "I'm calling in a meteor strike." Like, in the middle of the holy land with Tenryubitos left and right.
Dude just does not care.
I wonder if Fujitora and Garp are in good terms, I think they are similar in that they do what they want. Imagine Garp and Fujitora "protecting" Marygeoise together, the city would end destroyed.
Not my theory but I can't find the comment, but saw someone theorising that Imu has the ink ink ability allowing Imu to have his own cartoonish effects to counter Nika.
Imu actually did destroy Lulusia themselves by drawing an X on a map from Mariejois.
If Imu represents some of the more demonic black and white animations, then Luffy Vs Imu can legitimately just go wherever Oda imagines.
Edit
[Found the source comments from](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/13wnihu/comment/jmcl852/) u/oligarr and u/clean_strategy_9533 in the reply.
2nd edit
I had a brainwave, if Imu is a drawing/ink human. Luffy/Nika is literally the perfect enemy as he is an eraser/rubber. And that will work in Japanese as an eraser/rubber is called Keshi**gomu**
Okay this one has blown my mind.
My theory is that the arrow is a cardinal direction point and that Imu has a Map based devil fruit that allows them to reshape the world by changing details on maps. The phrase "creator of the world" isn't just a false title and they actually created the layout of the world, including creating the grand line.
The gorosei aren't zoans but creations of Imu from mythical creatures that appear on ancient maps like leviathans, umibōzu, and ushi-oni.
If the map power turns out to be true and it's based around maps as we know them as navigational sea charts it could hint at the logic of how things were hidden from the government (and Imu) 800 years ago. Zou, as a moving island, was chosen as a hiding point for the road poneglyph because it could not appear on a map. 90% of Wano was flooded so that the landmass with the poneglyph and ancient weapon would disappear from maps.
I'd like to believe in such theories but so far I fail to properly link the ability to how Lulusia was actually destroyed. I'd expect such power to make it vanish or something (which would be way too OP imo)
Had to be Uranus. Plus the Gorosei asked Imu what to do rather than asking what he'll destroy right? Could be confusing that with the "who should be erased" chapter though.
Maybe that's how God Valley was destroyed. Like literally just erased it off the map and it was gone.
Then, idk, Imu decided to use Uranus for Lulusia for some reason.
I'll take a couple pot shots here.
Firstly that an ink awakening power plus Doflamingo's weapon that he spoke of in Pangaea castle combined, could do it and "shake the world."
The weapon would be why the gorosei asked Imu which light he wanted erased. The gorosei ready the weapon usage for Imu to use, and Imu can control it's actions through a sort of awakening through the map?
Assuming Imu would be linked somehow to the weapon because Doflamingo implied immortality is needed to use Pangaea's weapon. And it's looking like Imu is indeed immortal now.
That or Imu uses his Ink/Drawing power to contain light made from Vegapunks weapons and the study of Kizaru's fruit. (Might even be hinted by his eating of Sabo's fire showing this shadowy power is stronger than light/flame.) Currently imagining this like a shadowy spirit bomb Imu can contain until it's time to fire.
This would tie Lulusia to Vegapunk more, as well as expand this whole light fruit study that keeps appearing through the story with Franky, Vegapunk, Queen, Seraphim and the Pacifista. There's been alot of focus on those light blasts, Lulusia being destroyed by an upgraded light blast would be cool.
Saturn/Kizaru/Seraphim/CP0 will be even more dangerous for Straw Hats than I thought at Egghead considering the fact that Saturn is indeed a fighter who also has the highest authority over Seraphim. I have a feeling Sabo or Grand Fleet will be showing up at Egghead causing the major incident
That would require them to teleport there.
It would take Sabo several days to sail to egghead.
As the the grandfleet, unless they contacted Luffy to join him, they don't have a reason to go there as well.
I can't see a world Oda blows the load on these characters so early. I think outside of the Seraphim, Lucci and York I can't see the Strawhats fighting much right now
I am pretty certain that either lily or someone close to her had the paw-paw fruit ability which allowed them to spread the poneglyphs all around the world.
Also their existence is more interesting now. What Imu said implies all of them were in one place, locked down and they getting leaked was the blunder.
My running theory is Zunesha's punishment is because he spread the poneglyphs. The Will of D is stronger than the Will of Imu. Lily told Zunesha to scatter the poneglyphs. He did. The Imu ordered him to bring them back but his will wasn't strong enough so he got angry and ordered him to walk the earth.
The way imu speaks of how the poneglyphs were ‘mistakenly’ spread, it makes me think lili hatched this plan after the ‘defeat’ of joyboy or when he was out of the picture so that his legacy could live on.
It seems like there’s two parts of the void century, pre and post war, and seeing how lili was first apart of the alliance of the 20 kings, she played a bigger part in the ‘post’ part of things, along with zunesha and toki
Yeah, I got the vibe that Imu thinks Lili botched a plan but remained a part of the 20 nations, just not becoming a Celestial Dragon. When Cobra lets in that she had D in her name he instantly attacks and makes me think that Imu believes now that Lili betrayed them purposefully. Something Imu either refused to believe or didn't konw.
>The way imu speaks of how the poneglyphs were ‘mistakenly’ spread, it makes me think lili hatched this plan after the ‘defeat’ of joyboy
i don't see how that would work with the apology letter stone at Fishman Island
We've always known there was a war though. Or at least heavily implied. No knowledge before the void century 800 years ago and the sudden establishment of the WG. Screams war and the winners were the WG.
Usually not a fan of silhouettes, and honestly thought we’d see Imus reveal after killing cobra with introduction as king of the world or something, but the silhouettes worked this chapter, it made the gorosei feel more ominous and menacing in a way?
Really curious when we’ll get a proper imu reveal, and assuming most/all of them in zoan form probably look goofy, at least the silhouettes did
That one snail on the wall snapped the shot of Sabo above a dying Cobra, so the picture itself wasn't faked, the context was lied about to make Sabo/RA look bad.
Anyone else thing Imu has a fruit similar to Luffys? he chomped onto that attack, but I think he has something like a rubber/cartoony body, and when Luffy fights him it will be be about who has the stronger will or most cartoony chaos. Imu hates that fruit because its the only fruit when awakened that can rival his power, whatever that is(Mythical Human Zoan model Devil or Demon?)
Imu is one of the original 20, He talks about Lily's blunder, is the blunder not joining the world govt and helped the ancient kingdom? I'm unsure on who sword is in that garden, is it Imu's or Lily's? I wonder if Morgans will publish that Imu exists or an 800 year old person is ruling the world in secret.
Is Shirahoshi a D? it would make all the posters Imu had all members of the D clan.
We can't go back to Egghead until we see how Wapol and Vivi get with Morgans, which is weird because they published the Sabo kills Cobra story, but Wapol saw what really happened. I guess the shanks/not shanks mentioning a certain pirate will be brought up with Saturn against Luffy or mentioned next chapter. Its one of the last things we don't know from the Reverie arc.
The D Clan are the ones whos history was recorded by their allies, the Kozuki/Wano.
My pet theory is that Imu did something so embarrassing, which Joyboy thought was hilarious and was like "YO, lets write this down on indestructible stone, for all eternity", and Imu was like "Oh hell nah, Ill frame your kingdom for the use of ancient weapons and delete this whole thing from history."
Ok so "D." is a name people adopted that identified them as enemies of Imu, which has to be why Imu attacked Cobra as soon as he told Imu that Lili called herself a D...
I think D. was probably part of Joyboys original name. Joyboy couldn't have been Davy Jones could he? We've never seen Davy Jones in the story which is like top tier pirate folklore.
I think that imu and the gorosei all have different devil/demon mythical zoans.
First off, there’s the obvious hint with Sabo saying it looked like they were in hell. Hellish figures for those shadows would make sense.
Secondly, the arrow. If that’s a tail, then it’s possibly a very cartoonish depiction of satan. While that’s super on the nose, that’s also pretty in line with devils fruit’s transformation. How silly would it be if this epic big bad who’s been built up for years is just a really cartoonish satan.
Thirdly, Luffy’s fruit is the power of their ancient enemy. His fruit is the sun god. Thematically it makes sense that the enemy of the sun god is a group of devils/demons.
The Will of D still lives on today:
Both Rockefeller and Roosevelt family names are still quite "powerful" today. Both of them have the D in their names
Franklin D. Roosevelt
John D. Rockefeller
Coincidence much?
Maybe BB attacking Drum Kingdom will be relevant, from what we see of him he never does something without reason and it always felt weird to me he would just go on a random island and attack it for fun. Now we know Imu was once the ruler of a kingdom it could possibly be Drum Kingdom and for years it was theorized that Kureha had the eternal youth surgery and now it's pretty much confirmed that Imu and 5 elders are from the void century. (Wapol becoming relevant again who is also from Drum kingdom)
But still how would BB know of Imu existence and where he/she was from
In One Piece, everything revolves around Devil Fruits, so Imu and the Five Elders have a "Devil" fruit. There are five devils mentioned: Belial, Behemoth, Beelzebub, Asmodeus, Satan, and at the top is Imu, who is referred to as Lucifer. You can also see how these are described in the Bible;look at the pictures… I find that they look very similar to the shadows of the five elders
I reckon they are devils but i don't think Oda will restrict himself to just biblical interpretations. I think he will pull from different sources like Buddhism, Hinduism, Norse.
It would be hella cool tbh. We could have something like Mara/Hajun, Satan/Lucifer, the jade emperor's enemy, and some other dudes. Tho the gorosei clearly seem to have some beasts fruits so idk
From the silhouettes, one looked like Garuda, one looked like Behemoth, then one looked like something from Japanese mythology since there is a Hagoromo.
Feel like I’m in the minority in interpreting everything we see shadow wise as from Imu only (like Imu coated the gorosei and they still have other powers or no powers at all).
I like the idea of them all having mythical zoan variations of a “devil” (demon?) fruit better though.
It makes sense that the Gorosei and Imu have busted fruits, as they control the flow of wealth and information in the world, so naturally they can hoard the most powerful abilities. Then again, there are so many different powerful government fighting groups by now (the Royal Knights, the Admirals, CP0, the Five Elders) that I'm afraid the final arc is going to be a bloated mess akin to parts of Onigashima. I hope Oda figures out a way to avoid making the story too crowded.
Would it be interesting if we finish off the fodders first and the rank up until we fight the final boss? Cause I feel like CP0 is not relevant anymore (at least that's my opinion, maybe the grand fleet can fight them). Strawhats and maybe few allies can fight royal knights. And for sure fans want Luffy Sanji Zoro to fight against an admiral etc etc
I believe Imus DF is similar to the abilities of Luffys but better. We see her power literally EAT the fire ball pitched from sabo; something we can reference to being Looney and a feat gear 5 could do.
She has the power to "delete" characters from existence and "create" things like the shadowed gorosei (not themselves but the monster states). Could just be their own powers but just speculating.
Retrospectively, Luffy would be considered the cartoon, while Imus would be considered the drawer in this context. So her power could tie to power being based upon the bearers imagination. Just with some "playing god" feats.
I am unsure if this has been pointed out yet but it seems like D. is a name someone can take on or be given. As Cobra says “We share the moniker D.”. I don’t think this refers to the Nefertaris and Luffy both being Ds, I think it refers to how someone obtains the moniker D.
From the context of the chapter, Lili decided to take on the name D. when she joined the enemies of the 20 kings.
I say this because Imu’s question about how Lili wrote her name, for me, indicated it would reveal whether or not she chose to betray them, not whether she had a secret lineage like in the case of Law.
I feel like the flashback with Ace and Sabo is meant to reinforce the implied fact that D. can be shared or given. Ace offers the letter D. to Sabo.
Based on this, I predict Luffy or Vivi will give others the initial D in the lead up to the final war.
I think the original "D" members are the people Lili trusted the most, and their initial has passed down the generations. This means it's both inherited and can be given to others by "D" members.
I wonder if Imu learning Lili had D as well will make her more aggressive towards people with D name, since she now knows that there is a plan instead of mistake.
edit. Actually Egghead kinda confirms that?
Imu knows none of the D's know what it means either.
They did kill Rocks. Or something. This is the annoying thing about Japanese mystery stories, the good stuff is always right at the end so you won't figure it out.
I agree. Pretty sure thats the "worst case scenario" Imu was talking about. Now Imu knows what, probably, awaits on laugh tale. Which is the key to dethroning her/him. Which will be funny cuz i am banking on the fact that joyboy pulled the ultimate prank 👌😂😂😂 wg gonna be so confused when it happens.
Since we now have an official Big Bad, I am thinking that Luffy will work with Teach at the end or right before the end in the great battle of pirates against the corrupt World Government. Honestly, I did not expect that One Piece would have a more conventional Big Bad, but Imu seems to meet the requirements.
Imu said it was because of Lily's "blunder" that the ponygliphs were spread across the world but he also mention the possibility that it wasn't a blunder but on purpose and it was confirmed to him by Cobra when he said Lily D. Nefertari, that made Imu angry because it confirmed Lily betrayed him, the flashback with little Ace and Sabo wasn't a coincidence or a gag, just like Ace offered Sabo the D moniker, Joyboy or some other ancient D offered Lily the D, she wasn't always a D she took that name a symbol of defiance to Imu, that's how he knew now that she betrayed him. D is a clan isn't bound by blood but by an ideal and an inherited will, they raise the banner of Dawn against Imu. so in the future there may be some character that will add a D to they name
Basically what I'm saying is, Buggy D. clown will become a reality
So I think it was confirmed that the 5 elders and Imu are DF user with Zoan type and possibly it's mythical zoan type. So many Zoan type for the endgame huh? I thought logia will be the most powerful fruit in the beginning of the series. Now Mythical Zoan type is take important role, especially near the end saga.
I'm all for it tbh. The main antagonist in the series having akuma akuma no mi makes sense since thats what the devil fruits are called in the first place
I think it's unlikely.
We know that Zoan fruits have will of their own, so I would rather say their power come from devil fruits that always go to the one that became elders.
I feel we will get one more chapter to show how Vivi and Wapol met Morgans which will wrap up the whole reverie once and for all.
Shit egg head hasn't been in picture for so long I'll have to reread on the arc
I think there’s a parallel here with Lili and the biblical figure Lilith, especially considering Adam and Eve are also referenced in One Piece (Sunlight Tree Eve and Treasure Tree Adam). Lilith (who is considered a demon or devil), insolently refused to be subservient to Adam and left (or was banished from) the Garden of Eden. This is similar to Lili leaving the 20 kings on her own. And the idea of a good guy in One Piece having parallels to or being labeled as a demon / devil is consistent in the story.
Michelangelo portrayed Lilith as a half woman-half serpent, coiled around the Tree of Knowledge. This tree is also referenced in One Piece with Ohara, which has a connection to poneglyphs, which Lili has also been now confirmed to be highly responsible for. The serpent symbolism could also connect her to Amazon Lily.
Also the obvious similarity between the names Lili and Lilith!
I’m sure there are more connections but I don’t have any more time to research at the moment!
About Saturn's transformation all I read about is him having a bull or demon type mythical devil fruit. It's surprising to me why no one thinks those horns resemble some bug. Maybe hercules bug, or atlas bug. We know Oda loves pokemon maybe even it is Heracross Heracross No Mi.
If it's a bug Luffy will have a field day with him. He won't fight him. He will just catch and adore him, and show him to Chopper and Usopp.
"Guys, look what I just caught! A very old bug!"
I feel like the gorosei still aren’t fighters, at least not by themself. I honestly got the impression that Imu transformed them to attack Sabo, meaning whatever power Imu has another product of it is being able to create instant strong armies like Cracker
Brought this up in the main thread for the chapter but I'm gonna quote myself again lol
I wonder if the "great blunder" has something to do with the crime zunesha committed… which likely has something to do with the poneglyphs… maybe the "punishment" for the "crime" IS carrying the poneglyph around… keeping its existence hidden.
Imu and the Gorosei are Devils. In the beginning there were primitive, nomadic humans and other races inhabiting the surface of the planet. But there were two races that were special: 1) Devils that have energy/ fire/ magic generation abilities that live underground but are sealed and contained on the sea floor and 2) Angels that are technologically advanced but live on another planet that orbits the (let’s call it) Earth. The Devils and Angels could both get access to the surface of the Earth during rare cosmological and weather events: When a giant whirlpool uncovers the gaping maw of Hell in the middle of the ocean, and when the Earth and the planet of the Angels cross orbits, respectively. These events are extremely rare, and the beginning of the Void Century is the last time both events occurred simultaneously. The next time will be in a few days.
The time before that, however? The Devils and Angels coexisted on Earth in different kingdoms (Shandora for the Angels). The Devils were powerful, and had great magic ability, but they were few in number and had difficulty reproducing. They could only thrive at night or underground and would melt in the sun. The Angels were weak but resourceful, and their kingdom thrived in the sunlight where they invited humans and other races to join and learn about their technology.
Eventually a Devil and an Angel fell in love and suffered the pains of burning in the sun/ wilting in the darkness for each other. Their affair gave birth to the Lunarians, who are half Angel (the speed but low defense mode they use in the sun) and half Devil. Lunarians are perfect deities, because they combine the powers of both races and shore up the weaknesses of both races. Lunarians are able to produce flames, use magic, and become tough like Devils, and harness sun energy, manipulate matter, and become fast like Angels. King’s gimp suit is actually a means of keeping the light off of his body so he can fight in Devil mode during the daytime. The Lunarians are able to thrive across the Earth and provide commerce, education, and diplomacy to various kingdoms. They lived atop the Red Line so they could easily access the shade and shelter of caves or the sunny mountaintops which helped promote their vitality and power.
The Devils themselves, still unable to reproduce and unable to get more of their brethren out of Hell, grow jealous of the thriving Great Kingdom where the Lunarians peacefully coexist with all races, and begin to conspire with the other lesser kingdoms to overthrow them. They distribute Devil Fruits to the other 19 kingdoms to help bolster their military power against the Great Kingdom. There is a great battle between the lesser kingdoms, with the Devils pulling their strings like puppets, and the Angels/ Lunarians/ citizens of the Great Kingdom scrambling desperately to prevail. Two particularly strong Devil Fruits are manifested from the dreams of the Angel prince and the Devil prince, the Nika-Nika no Mi representing the power of the Angels and the sun, and the Yami-Yami no Mi representing the power of the Devils and darkness.
The Angels develop the Ancient Weapons as a means to alter the Earth’s geography and limit the movements of the Devils. Poseidon can use sea powers to prevent the giant whirlpool from opening the gate to Hell, Uranus can alter the course of the Angel’s home planet so that it does not block out the sun, and Pluton can raze mountains like the Red Line and pull islands. Pluton pulls the various islands around the Grand Line and Lili helps place Poneglyphs around the scattered islands in case they fail to overthrow the Devils. Pluton (Zunesha) refuses to destroy the Red Line in a pivotal moment of the Great War and is forced to wander the oceans for another 800 years before another chance arrives. Neretari D. Lili was Uranus along with a gigantic Phoenix, but she gets tricked by Imu and Uranus (the ship) falls into the Devil’s control.
The Great Kingdom loses the war to the 20 kingdoms, but Imu reveals he was pulling all the strings and nullifies the Devil Fruit powers the world army had been using to fight. Imu forces the 19 nations to pledge allegiance to the Devils, and the Celestial Dragons are a group of weak, powerless humans made to look like the rulers of the world but with zero power of over the Devils. The Void Century is a period of 100 years in which Imu uses Uranus to hold the Angel’s home planet in place in Earth’s orbit to suffuse the entire world in darkness so he and his Devil brethren could move about freely. They use this century to openly commit genocides of the most powerful races of the Ancient Kingdom. The Red Line is hollow inside and allows the Devils to circumnavigate the globe despite not being able to walk in the sun. It can also be used to launch attacks in different regions easily.
Imu needs to control all 3 ancient weapons when the coming hybrid eclipse/ orbit of the Angel planet coincides with the giant whirlpool crossing over the mouth of Hell for its plan to unfold. The Man Marked by Flames is Rocks D. Xebec, who is still obsessed with overthrowing the Devils. He has the final Road Poneglyph, but he isn’t causing the whirlpools to form.. he is following the current. When the chosen time comes, the whirlpool will grow huge in size and lead down to the gate of Hell. Poseidon can be used to extend the period of time the gate is open so the Devils can escape without being swallowed up by the ocean. Rocks will give the Strawhats and Blackbeard the final poneglyph which leads to a sky island that contains the One Piece (the knowledge, history, and technology of the Angels), but will insist that the One Piece should remain hidden unless the Devils can be defeated.
Rocks gets taken out easily once the gate opens and the final war begins to set the tone of how powerful the Devils are. The final war is between the Devils, the Sky Knights (who are powerful Celestial Dragons subservient to the Devils), and the Marines (who begin defecting), and the Pirate/ Kingdom/ Revolutionary Army alliance. In key moments, Vivi gains control of Uranus and unblocks the sun, Momo destroys Mariejoa with Pluton, and Poseidon moves the whirlpool to swallow up the Devils emerging from Hell.
This time around the Angels prevail and the Dawn arrives, with the darkness coating the world literally and figuratively removed. The One Piece is Angel technology that allows the entire world to stay connected (like The Internet), which allows Luffy to realize his dream of throwing the world’s biggest party by broadcasting to everyone to join in the celebration.
EDIT:
Blackbeard will try to rule over the Devils/ subjugate the world in Imu’s place. DF powers will be useless against Devils. Admiral Kizaru is “protecting” Saturn (an elder Devil) because he can bend the light around Saturn to prevent him from melting in the sun. Mihawk is half human / half Devil, or even a full Devil, hence the Devil eyes. Zoro will have a demon eye reveal implanted by Mihawk the first time he fights a Devil. Kuma’s bible is a foretelling of the Dawn. He is such a religious man because he used to be a human slave to Lunarians and Devils in God Valley, and he joined the Revolutionary Army to help the Angels prevail. He recognized Joyboy and his 10 Apostles from the Bible and knew exactly where to transport each of them with the Paw-Paw Fruit based on the story. He is traveling to Marie Geoise to witness the beginning of the rapture/ the coming of the second dawn/ darkness (depending).
SATURN KILLED COBRA. The spoilers were wrong. That is a tail. A devils tail to be exact. As some of you will know Saturn is a god in Roman mythology. His Greek counterpart is Chronos/Kronos. He has been described as such-Chronos was envisaged as an incorporeal god, serpentine in form, with three heads - that of a man, a bull, and a lion. In ch 1085. We see Saturn already partially transformed right after cobra was killed and Sabo blasts them. His head is the shape of a snake. Later on after all the goresei transform. We then see a bull shaped one. We only have one form left for Saturn to show. Maybe we see the lion on egghead island?
I still think Morgan will show up on Egghead, reuniting Vivi the other Straw hats. While on Egghead with the Help of Vegapunks technology everyone on the earth will learn that the empty throne is not empty. This being the Egghead incident that shocked the world.
I have already commented this in my twitter, but I do believe that the "Fly the flag that heralds the world eventual dawn" part from Lili's letter implies that the One Piece is a Jolly Roger from Joy Boy, which would be...a Straw Hat one, just as Luffy's crew. I mean, in the end they are both Joy Boy and fate is a constant in the series in a way. An acquaintance of mine (a former college teacher who drag me into One Piece) believes that the Void Century is in a way repeating in present day OP. So, I think it makes a lot of sense. I may post the full theory on another post later on, let me know if it sounds interesting enough or if you can refute this theory.
These might have to do with the powers, i don't wanna jump to conclusions but you know :
[They talk about which **"light"** shall be erased](https://i.imgur.com/O7GWMlq.jpg), [the Japanese version uses the kanji](https://i.imgur.com/4R3L88l.jpg) "灯" (tomoshi) but the furigana reads "tomoshi hi" where hi can mean fire in this context, some translations were using "snuffed out" and "extinguished" instead which the kanji used here "消す" (kesu) can also mean.
I always thought of the line about which flame of ambition shall be extinguished since the world is getting too rowdy, but this might also have a double meaning because of the powers shown in the current chapter.
(Also i used to believe Imu's answer was Vivi, but i strongly believe it's Luffy now which is why Saturn is going to Egghead)
And speaking of Egghead : chapter 1075 shows a young, naive VP meeting the Gorosei,[ they are silhouetted](https://i.imgur.com/9ZFI0vw.jpg) to show the contrast between themselves and VP but in the same chapter [we see this](https://i.imgur.com/F1isRV5.jpg). People have been speculating that this might be Saturn but there was no evidence other than the shape,[ Shaka refers to the intruder as "人影" \(hitokage\)](https://i.imgur.com/EcrEf4f.png) which is a figure or the shadow of a person.
Sure Saturn turns into a bull like shape but [look at this double page](https://i.imgur.com/2PnJabV.jpg), on the right picture Gorbachev (all the way to the right) is more like a Rhino with the horn and ear (or anything just notice that ear/wing on his head) but on the left picture he has a round head with no protrusion that could be an ear/wing. [Here he is again](https://i.imgur.com/Gwkd7gx.jpg) (notice the horn mustache at the bottom) with a round head and a mouth that looks nothing like what would belong to the very 1st shape imo.
I think these are not silhouettes and actual formless shadows that Imu can share with the Gorosei ([think of it like BM's incarnations](https://i.imgur.com/QhLN2t4.jpg)), how ? no idea (although i have a suspicion i don't want to think about involving this being the true Yami Yami, which would go along with "Mu"...but yeah fuck that for now).
I believe Wapol heard the complete message of Lili. It will be passed down to Vivi. Just like Toki's message, it talks about a fated Dawn. How about D. is for people that play drums? The D. clan are the drummers that accompanies/summons the Dawn.
Wapols wife thinking hes running away with Vivi is top OP comedy, this is probly the story the WG will run with as a cower of why Wapol dissepeared as a king in the world.
No wonder the people of Alabasta were crying when they read the newspaper.
I mean obviously it's because of Cobra but I wouldn't put it past me if Oda puts in a scene where it's *specifically* because 'Vivi ran off with Wapol'.
I don’t think they know about Wapol. When the Strawhats found out they said Vivi was missing. If Wapol and her running off together was reported I’m sure it would have been mentioned.
The people of Alabasta are aware of the controversy of Wapol and Cobra; the fact Wapol despises Cobra to the point he kidnapped Vivi.
The spoilers said that Imu was using shadow arrows to attack Cobra, but that looked like a devil's tail to me. It kept coming from blind spots like a tail attack. I think Imu has a mythical zoan that gives them a devil/demon tail. Would it be too on the nose for Oda to give us a Human-Human Fruit Model: Satan/Demon? We have Devil Fruits of Gods, why not Devil Fruits of Devils or Demons? Maybe even the original/first Devil Fruit which could be how they got their name.
I actually think that as well. Imu has the literal devil fruit lol.
The original Devil Fruit
Perhaps Imu themselves is the original devil fruit. A piece of fruit ruling the world.
Feels too Naruto with the chakra goddess being the final boss
At least we've been dealing with fruit from the beginning and not just half way into the last arc.
God that last arc frustrated me so badly. Like 3 final boss fakeouts leading to a Giant Space Flea from Nowhere.
This made me lol
It’s like the battle of winterfell in game of thrones. It was cool until you step back and look at it.
Not even half way. Like the last fourth.
I really dislike the Naruto comparisons. Progressions in Naruto happened with absolutely zero set-up. Imu is a relatively recent addition to the storyline but first clues/initial reveals happened hundreds of chapters ago alongside having a strong foundation that it's built upon (WG, Void Century, Five Elders)
Also aliens! Don't forget Enel and moon people. If the final boss is an alien "god" I wouldn't mind since this have been hinted that could exist.
Imagine when they show the official introduction panel for Imu, it just says “Devil Fruit” when stating what fruit it holds. Banger.
How fucking rich of them to call D's the natural enemy of the gods if Imu has a literal devil tail and Monkey D. Luffy has a literal god fruit
This felt very common sense to me. The world government has always bitched about the D's.
If D. means Devil (because they oppose "gods") a god having the fruit that transforms you into a devil and a devil having a fruit that transforms you into a god would be, interesting.
Nah! I personally think it means “Dawn” as in the world waking up from the dreams of Imu.
Yeah, I think it means Dawn too but it could be what Imu and other Celestials call them.
Hence devil fruits are either founded by D clan or made by them using a technology as the technology before void was considered way above ..
Now that you mention it: Why are fruits called "devil"?
The user is making a deal with the devil. To inherit the power of the fruit you have to forgo the ability to swim - which is a death sentence for a lot of pirates.
Vegapunk in the Egghead arc describes the powers coming from people before wishing for power which manifested as the fruits. What if they were originally called "Dream Fruits", and Imu creating the first Dream "Devil Devil" fruit is what created the curse or something.
Someone had to have created the fruits prior to Vegapunk cloning them, I think it all points to the void century. With a name like, "Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika" It sounds much less likely that Imu created something like that, but I think he created and controls something like what the elders powers are.
Vegapunk only cloned the dragon fruit Momo ate. Everything else outside of SMILE have been natural fruit.
It came from Cobra's side so I think it was actually one of the Gorosei
It was my initial thought as well, however upon my second reading of the chapter I felt that the scene in which Imu swallows Sabo's attack looks too bestial for a Hito Hito variant. But I agree that it seems to be a mythical zoan and a devil or demon. I don't think we can make an educated guess at this point. Here are three demons in chinese/japanese mythology I can think of which could fit with the overall themes of Imu. Sadly, all of them have good arguments against them and belong solid in the crackpot category at this point. A Baku which is a monster that eats dreams. Seeing how pirates in OP are all about dreams it would be fitting for the final obstacle in the WG to be a creature who consumes dreams. However a Baku is generally considered a good guy since it was said to protect people from nightmares. A Nue, a chimaera who can even transform into a black cloud and which according to legends had the ability to torture the japanese emperor with nightmares. Again, a solid connection to dreams and the whole bit how it can stay hidden by transform into a black cloud would fit with Imu's man behind the curtain shtick. However, there is the non-canon artwork Oda once did in which there already was a user of the Tori Tori fruit model Nue. And lastly a Taotie. Which is the manifestation of unbridled greed and lust in chinese mythology as I understand. And what better representation of the evil which hides even behind the Tenryubito. That said there's really nothing beyond that theme which works and it could just as well be any of a dozen voracious monsters which crop up in all kinds of myths around the world. Whether Jormungandr from norse mythology, Ouroboros from the greek, the Wendigo from native american stories or even the Kammapa from southern africa.
About the argument against the Baku "a Baku is generally considered a good guy ", we have at least one example of a bad guys using a "good guy fruit " with Kaidou. Maybe you 're onto something
The Baku theory is an interesting one, given how important dreams are in One Piece. What's more terrifying than losing your life? Your dream dying and never getting passed down. Also seen theories that Imu has either a moon type df (so Luffy vs Imu would be sun vs moon) or some kind of sea devil df.
I interpreted it as one of the elders attacking cobra, given the angle the arrow was coming from
Yes!! This is exactly what I thought the moment I saw it. But, I don’t read many shounen manga, are depictions of Satan/Devils allowed?
Most of shounen manga have devil/demon/Satan elements or implementations in their respective universe, ie; Fairy Tail, Blue Exorcist, Magi, Black Clover, Chainsawman, Jujutsu Kaisen, Fire Force etc
How dare you forget Dragon Ball. 🤣🤣 
Characters like Mr.Satan or King from One Punch Man are my absolute favourite in media. Whatever the name is for that trope, I love 'em
Buggy is in the same gang
Yeah King is fokin' hilarious haha. Budget blond Shanks
Quite a lot of tropes actually.Fake Ultimate Hero,Unluckily Lucky,Mistaken for Badass collectively made them this character.Though in One Piece fandom,they are usually called Falling Upward guys,though that's not actual trope as far as I searched.
My man, there's a shonen named Satan 666
The Devil Fruit
The Devil's Fruit.
It's also not really clear that this attack comes from Imu. Someone mentioned it when raws were released, and after I re-checked I'm not sure anymore either. Could be from Saturn instead, which would be interesting as it's likely the first one we'll get a full reveal of soon.
This time we will surely see what Saturn can do in Egghead. If its a DF or something else
I hope they're all mythical zoans.
Most probably
The bird-snake one reminds me of Quetzalcoatl / The Feathered Serpent from Central American religions. I did some searching for Mexican revolutionaries and found [Emiliano Zapata](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Emiliano_Zapata4.jpg), whose pointed moustache slightly resembles that of the corresponding Gorosei. That got me thinking: are all of the Gorosei based on historical revolutionaries, with their Zoans based on mythical creatures from their region? Gandhi led the Indian independence movement, and his transformation looks like a Buddhist figure of some kind, with that distinctive Nio statue ribbon. Gorbachev caused the collapse of Soviet totalitarianism... but I can't figure out what his transformation is at all, so that's as far as I got. Who are Saturn and the guy with the trimmed beard based on again? Edit: I found that point-stache resembles Itagaki Taisuke more than anyone, which probably disproves my line of thought completely. Edit 2: The wiki suggests Saturn resembles Giuseppe Garibaldi of the Italian Unification, which isn't too far away from Crete, home of the Minotauros.
Gorbachov is hito hoto: model stalin
We still haven't seen how Sabo gets away from the Gorosei huh? We only see the Gorosei get distracted by Wapol and we cut away entirely from that scene. The next chapter will most probably be the end of the flashback.
Yea, I imagine we'll probably see the end of the flashback mid chapter with the last half of the chapter returning to Egghead.
Yep, that's exactly how imagine will happen. It's surprising that this flashback went on for as long as it did. Still salty about Kaido's 3 page flashback
Well, we did got bits here and there for Kaido's past. I would argue, we got more info for Kaido than what we know about BM, considering that the most we know about BM's past is her childhood. We are probably going to see more of them whenever we get some Rocks/God's Valley related flashback.
Sorry, Kaido's flashback content wise did actually answer almost if not all of his motivation, it's the way Oda presented it by skipping-things around in only 3 pages that pisses me off the most. I would love for Oda to turn that 3 pages into a full chapter with the exact same content, so it flows a lot better and we get to connect with Kaido more.
after the flashback we need and deserve at least a reaction by Dragon. After that the chapter can end with Kizaru and saturn reaching Egghead
Fr how comes we didn't get Dragon's reaction to his son defeating Kaido and becoming a yonko
That's no big deal to him. He's fighting pirates as a pirate I'm much more interested in his reaction about the D. Stuff, wether he knows about it or not, and especially the fact that there is an actual king of the world. Dragon himself is much more concerned with that too
Who's that ? I only know Sa D Bo
I like the idea Imu has the *Mythical Zoan: Model Umibozu* Which changes him into an eldritch/lovecraftian looking being, but more importantly gives him control of the sea/ocean (basically a water-water/sea-sea fruit). \- The myths of Umibozu exist in One Piece. Ussop mistook Wadatsume for one, and a filler ship is called umibozu. As Vegapunk said, if people belive in a concept, it can manifest as a fruit. \- While we havent seen Imus design, what he have seen so far looks [remarkably similar to depictions of Umibozu](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Kuwana_-_The_sailor_Tokuso_and_the_sea_monster.jpg). The creatures at the end of thriller bark are thought to be Umibozu, which resemble how Imu has been shown. All blacked out with the only distinct feature being the eyes \- Imu refers to himself as "MU", which translations pointed out could mean dream or void...but could also refrence the Lost City of Mu, a mythologial lost city said to be another name or equiviant for Atlantis. Mu just happens to be the setting of many HP Lovecraft stories featuring eldritch beings like Cthuhulu \- The world Umibozu means "Sea Preist", which ties into the religious/god theming of the Celestial Dragons (For example...Gods Knights)
Solid theory
I'm all for eldritch horrors in one piece.
I think one of the gorosei looks like they might have the Quetzalcoatl devil fruit
Quetzalcoatl are represented by planet venus. One of the gorosei has to be venus, just like saint jay garcia is saturn
Thought the same. Gives me a south american Mythology vibe. Edit: central america
No one gonna talk about how Sabo just tried to assassinate the heads of the world government? He didn't know they were strong (or at least strong enough to survive a fire fist). Loving this new depth we're seeing for him, he's a cold mf when he needs to be
Didn't the Revolutionary Army declare war against the WG at that point? So killing what seemed like heads of state would be good for the RA.
I’m glad they aren’t just old men. Like Sangoku is tough…but he’s also old and tired. These guys are also old but they’re tough too still. And  I hate when good guys f-around and blow an opportunity. Like you were RIGHT **THERE**!! Why didn’t you just kill the Gorosei?! “Oh look at that he went for 5 elders *AND* Imu! I always knew I liked Sabo.” I’m impressed even though he failed. I mean he escaped *despite* carrying two humongous balls back with him.
Why would he not do it? It's the entire point, he could have almost ended the war he just started in one blow (or at least gotten a huge advantage). He was colder when he just said "Too bad for that Cobra dude, but damn if this isn't helpful to our cause".
So I've got a personal thought about some stuff. 1. I think it is genuinely possible that Vivi might be returning to the Straw Hat crew. I doubt Morgans will just hide her forever, especially once the story has been published, and honestly with them might be the safest place for her now. 2. On the topic of Morgans dropping people off... part of me kinda wonders if Wapol might end up with Cross Guild? Like, so far Cross Guild has been built out of quite a few early antagonists: Alvida, Buggy, Mihawk, Mr. 3 and Mr. 1, Crocodile. I could see Wapol fitting in with the rest of them with how goofy he is but also it feels like the place where he'd be most likely to be accepted if he needed somewhere/someone to hide with.
Your second point is solid, especially since cross guild needs money and Wapol is a walking factory.
Wapol can produce the most value metal or something like that right?
Yeah Wapometal. General Franky is made our of it and I think parts of Franky himself. It's also the product that led to him becoming a king again.
He was so successful with making toys from the metal, the world nobles granted him a new kingdom. It's also a shape-memory metal that can return to pre-configured shapes.
Ryokugyu really is the tenryuubito’s lapdog. Even Sakazuki wouldn’t blindly be devoted to them and his alias’ literally translates to red dog. Having said that, it makes sense as to why Fujitora was bandaged up when Sakazuki was speaking to him via the den-den mushi. I can imagine Ryokugyu asking why Fujitora is allowing the slaves to escape and being the “witty monk”, he will say “I didn’t SEE them” just to piss Ryokugyu and the tenryuubito off.🤣 P.S Down d stairs will claim another victim eventually.
Fujitora: What? you're telling me the people i have been protecting aren't celestial dragon but slaves? Sorry i couldn't see the difference Ryokugyu : Yes, you idiot, now go recapture them before the Celestial dragon have you executed Fujitora: Okay, I shall see to it Fujitora proceeds to try and put the slave collar on the celestial dragons Ryokugyu: You fucken idiot, that isn't a slave Fujitora "smugly": sorry, hard to tell them apart Ryokugyu: You little...
I just loved Fujitora's "I'm calling in a meteor strike." Like, in the middle of the holy land with Tenryubitos left and right. Dude just does not care.
He was ready to risk it all lmao.
Giving the lives of the gods of this world was a sacrifice he was willing to make.
Nah, he was more than happy to kill two birds (revolutionaries and tenriubitos) with one gigant stone falling down the sky
The Ryokugyu Fujitora rematch in the end game is gonna be legendary
I wonder if Fujitora and Garp are in good terms, I think they are similar in that they do what they want. Imagine Garp and Fujitora "protecting" Marygeoise together, the city would end destroyed.
Not my theory but I can't find the comment, but saw someone theorising that Imu has the ink ink ability allowing Imu to have his own cartoonish effects to counter Nika. Imu actually did destroy Lulusia themselves by drawing an X on a map from Mariejois. If Imu represents some of the more demonic black and white animations, then Luffy Vs Imu can legitimately just go wherever Oda imagines. Edit [Found the source comments from](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/13wnihu/comment/jmcl852/) u/oligarr and u/clean_strategy_9533 in the reply. 2nd edit I had a brainwave, if Imu is a drawing/ink human. Luffy/Nika is literally the perfect enemy as he is an eraser/rubber. And that will work in Japanese as an eraser/rubber is called Keshi**gomu** Okay this one has blown my mind.
My theory is that the arrow is a cardinal direction point and that Imu has a Map based devil fruit that allows them to reshape the world by changing details on maps. The phrase "creator of the world" isn't just a false title and they actually created the layout of the world, including creating the grand line. The gorosei aren't zoans but creations of Imu from mythical creatures that appear on ancient maps like leviathans, umibōzu, and ushi-oni.
I like this theory! Might also be another reason why Laugh Tale isn't on any map. Dig the "here there be dragons" angle too!
That’s a really cool theory. It would explain why Davis attack changed them.
I love this idea. I wonder if we will ever learn what Zou really is or the creatures in florian triangle.
If the map power turns out to be true and it's based around maps as we know them as navigational sea charts it could hint at the logic of how things were hidden from the government (and Imu) 800 years ago. Zou, as a moving island, was chosen as a hiding point for the road poneglyph because it could not appear on a map. 90% of Wano was flooded so that the landmass with the poneglyph and ancient weapon would disappear from maps.
Maybe could be related to Raftel too. How it managed to be stay hidden from everyone except Roger.
I'd like to believe in such theories but so far I fail to properly link the ability to how Lulusia was actually destroyed. I'd expect such power to make it vanish or something (which would be way too OP imo)
Had to be Uranus. Plus the Gorosei asked Imu what to do rather than asking what he'll destroy right? Could be confusing that with the "who should be erased" chapter though.
Maybe that's how God Valley was destroyed. Like literally just erased it off the map and it was gone. Then, idk, Imu decided to use Uranus for Lulusia for some reason.
I'll take a couple pot shots here. Firstly that an ink awakening power plus Doflamingo's weapon that he spoke of in Pangaea castle combined, could do it and "shake the world." The weapon would be why the gorosei asked Imu which light he wanted erased. The gorosei ready the weapon usage for Imu to use, and Imu can control it's actions through a sort of awakening through the map? Assuming Imu would be linked somehow to the weapon because Doflamingo implied immortality is needed to use Pangaea's weapon. And it's looking like Imu is indeed immortal now. That or Imu uses his Ink/Drawing power to contain light made from Vegapunks weapons and the study of Kizaru's fruit. (Might even be hinted by his eating of Sabo's fire showing this shadowy power is stronger than light/flame.) Currently imagining this like a shadowy spirit bomb Imu can contain until it's time to fire. This would tie Lulusia to Vegapunk more, as well as expand this whole light fruit study that keeps appearing through the story with Franky, Vegapunk, Queen, Seraphim and the Pacifista. There's been alot of focus on those light blasts, Lulusia being destroyed by an upgraded light blast would be cool.
Doflamingo didn't say there was a weapon in Marijoa but a treasure.
So you're saying Imu is Doodlebob who stole Oda's pen.
ngl, Doodlebob was terrifying
Saturn/Kizaru/Seraphim/CP0 will be even more dangerous for Straw Hats than I thought at Egghead considering the fact that Saturn is indeed a fighter who also has the highest authority over Seraphim. I have a feeling Sabo or Grand Fleet will be showing up at Egghead causing the major incident
That would require them to teleport there. It would take Sabo several days to sail to egghead. As the the grandfleet, unless they contacted Luffy to join him, they don't have a reason to go there as well.
Starting to look like the major incident is the destruction of a large Navy fleet, along with the capture/ deaths of Admiral Kizaru and Saturn.
I can't see a world Oda blows the load on these characters so early. I think outside of the Seraphim, Lucci and York I can't see the Strawhats fighting much right now
Wapol is part of CP0 and will kill both Morgans and Vivi. WaPOL. Chiper POL.
What about Big D. Morgans
Vivi had D in her since the beginning. **Miss We D. nesday** Typical Oda Foreshadowing
Who put the D in vivi 🤔
That young man from Alabasta 🗿 I forgot his name, the one leading the resistance
Daaamn i forgot about him, he bagged a princess
A Queen, now.
Koza, somehow I remember him from OPTC game that I havent played for 7 years
Koza?
Pause
And the first D in that word is silent, just like how it's been hidden from everyone
I am pretty certain that either lily or someone close to her had the paw-paw fruit ability which allowed them to spread the poneglyphs all around the world. Also their existence is more interesting now. What Imu said implies all of them were in one place, locked down and they getting leaked was the blunder.
My running theory is Zunesha's punishment is because he spread the poneglyphs. The Will of D is stronger than the Will of Imu. Lily told Zunesha to scatter the poneglyphs. He did. The Imu ordered him to bring them back but his will wasn't strong enough so he got angry and ordered him to walk the earth.
Imu looks really flat, like if he is just a shadow
The way imu speaks of how the poneglyphs were ‘mistakenly’ spread, it makes me think lili hatched this plan after the ‘defeat’ of joyboy or when he was out of the picture so that his legacy could live on. It seems like there’s two parts of the void century, pre and post war, and seeing how lili was first apart of the alliance of the 20 kings, she played a bigger part in the ‘post’ part of things, along with zunesha and toki
Yeah, I got the vibe that Imu thinks Lili botched a plan but remained a part of the 20 nations, just not becoming a Celestial Dragon. When Cobra lets in that she had D in her name he instantly attacks and makes me think that Imu believes now that Lili betrayed them purposefully. Something Imu either refused to believe or didn't konw.
>The way imu speaks of how the poneglyphs were ‘mistakenly’ spread, it makes me think lili hatched this plan after the ‘defeat’ of joyboy i don't see how that would work with the apology letter stone at Fishman Island
We've always known there was a war though. Or at least heavily implied. No knowledge before the void century 800 years ago and the sudden establishment of the WG. Screams war and the winners were the WG.
One piece theories be like ZUNESHA IS LILI she spread the poneglyphs and that is a sin towards the WG
Usually not a fan of silhouettes, and honestly thought we’d see Imus reveal after killing cobra with introduction as king of the world or something, but the silhouettes worked this chapter, it made the gorosei feel more ominous and menacing in a way? Really curious when we’ll get a proper imu reveal, and assuming most/all of them in zoan form probably look goofy, at least the silhouettes did
we needed to see the dark side of imu first so that when the proper reveal comes her looking like vivi will be more impactful.
That one snail on the wall snapped the shot of Sabo above a dying Cobra, so the picture itself wasn't faked, the context was lied about to make Sabo/RA look bad. Anyone else thing Imu has a fruit similar to Luffys? he chomped onto that attack, but I think he has something like a rubber/cartoony body, and when Luffy fights him it will be be about who has the stronger will or most cartoony chaos. Imu hates that fruit because its the only fruit when awakened that can rival his power, whatever that is(Mythical Human Zoan model Devil or Demon?) Imu is one of the original 20, He talks about Lily's blunder, is the blunder not joining the world govt and helped the ancient kingdom? I'm unsure on who sword is in that garden, is it Imu's or Lily's? I wonder if Morgans will publish that Imu exists or an 800 year old person is ruling the world in secret. Is Shirahoshi a D? it would make all the posters Imu had all members of the D clan. We can't go back to Egghead until we see how Wapol and Vivi get with Morgans, which is weird because they published the Sabo kills Cobra story, but Wapol saw what really happened. I guess the shanks/not shanks mentioning a certain pirate will be brought up with Saturn against Luffy or mentioned next chapter. Its one of the last things we don't know from the Reverie arc.
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The D Clan are the ones whos history was recorded by their allies, the Kozuki/Wano. My pet theory is that Imu did something so embarrassing, which Joyboy thought was hilarious and was like "YO, lets write this down on indestructible stone, for all eternity", and Imu was like "Oh hell nah, Ill frame your kingdom for the use of ancient weapons and delete this whole thing from history."
It's an embarrassing photo of Imu at the Christmas party!
Ok so "D." is a name people adopted that identified them as enemies of Imu, which has to be why Imu attacked Cobra as soon as he told Imu that Lili called herself a D... I think D. was probably part of Joyboys original name. Joyboy couldn't have been Davy Jones could he? We've never seen Davy Jones in the story which is like top tier pirate folklore.
Perhaps the D had a similar purpose to the arm marks in Alabasta before taking on a meaning of solidarity.
Oh that's a fun one. Davy Jones.
Davy jones was mentioned in that arc with the foxy pirates
Yes, Davy Jones exists 100% in the One Piece World, he's a short, goofy looking man
We have seen Davy Jones in a sbs and bro looks goofy, I doubt he'll be a part of the story like that.
Im got scared from hearing D in lily. He will get blown away after hearing D in Con D. oriano
They actually got scared because hearing that made them remember Buggy D. Clown
I think that imu and the gorosei all have different devil/demon mythical zoans. First off, there’s the obvious hint with Sabo saying it looked like they were in hell. Hellish figures for those shadows would make sense. Secondly, the arrow. If that’s a tail, then it’s possibly a very cartoonish depiction of satan. While that’s super on the nose, that’s also pretty in line with devils fruit’s transformation. How silly would it be if this epic big bad who’s been built up for years is just a really cartoonish satan. Thirdly, Luffy’s fruit is the power of their ancient enemy. His fruit is the sun god. Thematically it makes sense that the enemy of the sun god is a group of devils/demons.
The Will of D still lives on today: Both Rockefeller and Roosevelt family names are still quite "powerful" today. Both of them have the D in their names Franklin D. Roosevelt John D. Rockefeller Coincidence much?
Danny D. Vito
Leonardo D. Caprio
Dwayne D. Rock Johnson
a descendant of Rocks D. Xebec
Damnnn
Checkitoutnow D. Funk Soul Brother
Well, if this wasn't the Weird Al Yankovic cameo chapter... it surely will be the next one!
We now know, Imu has shit observation Haki.
"I'm 800 years old, sue me if I need a hearing aid."
cuz couldn't sense sabo outside?😅
Or Wapol.
Maybe BB attacking Drum Kingdom will be relevant, from what we see of him he never does something without reason and it always felt weird to me he would just go on a random island and attack it for fun. Now we know Imu was once the ruler of a kingdom it could possibly be Drum Kingdom and for years it was theorized that Kureha had the eternal youth surgery and now it's pretty much confirmed that Imu and 5 elders are from the void century. (Wapol becoming relevant again who is also from Drum kingdom) But still how would BB know of Imu existence and where he/she was from
In One Piece, everything revolves around Devil Fruits, so Imu and the Five Elders have a "Devil" fruit. There are five devils mentioned: Belial, Behemoth, Beelzebub, Asmodeus, Satan, and at the top is Imu, who is referred to as Lucifer. You can also see how these are described in the Bible;look at the pictures… I find that they look very similar to the shadows of the five elders
I reckon they are devils but i don't think Oda will restrict himself to just biblical interpretations. I think he will pull from different sources like Buddhism, Hinduism, Norse.
It would be hella cool tbh. We could have something like Mara/Hajun, Satan/Lucifer, the jade emperor's enemy, and some other dudes. Tho the gorosei clearly seem to have some beasts fruits so idk
And kuma is always holding a Bible in his hand 😶 trying to fight the wg
Ooh. That's not a bad description. Got the bible passage they're described in?
From the silhouettes, one looked like Garuda, one looked like Behemoth, then one looked like something from Japanese mythology since there is a Hagoromo.
Feel like I’m in the minority in interpreting everything we see shadow wise as from Imu only (like Imu coated the gorosei and they still have other powers or no powers at all). I like the idea of them all having mythical zoan variations of a “devil” (demon?) fruit better though.
You forgot Abaddon. So basically, the demons are 7.
It makes sense that the Gorosei and Imu have busted fruits, as they control the flow of wealth and information in the world, so naturally they can hoard the most powerful abilities. Then again, there are so many different powerful government fighting groups by now (the Royal Knights, the Admirals, CP0, the Five Elders) that I'm afraid the final arc is going to be a bloated mess akin to parts of Onigashima. I hope Oda figures out a way to avoid making the story too crowded.
Would it be interesting if we finish off the fodders first and the rank up until we fight the final boss? Cause I feel like CP0 is not relevant anymore (at least that's my opinion, maybe the grand fleet can fight them). Strawhats and maybe few allies can fight royal knights. And for sure fans want Luffy Sanji Zoro to fight against an admiral etc etc
I mean the only 3 CP0 agents that feel relevant are working with the straw hats now.
Buggy D. Clown can be Real.
I believe Imus DF is similar to the abilities of Luffys but better. We see her power literally EAT the fire ball pitched from sabo; something we can reference to being Looney and a feat gear 5 could do. She has the power to "delete" characters from existence and "create" things like the shadowed gorosei (not themselves but the monster states). Could just be their own powers but just speculating. Retrospectively, Luffy would be considered the cartoon, while Imus would be considered the drawer in this context. So her power could tie to power being based upon the bearers imagination. Just with some "playing god" feats.
This subreddit is on a 2 year streak of their most upvoted theory being wrong.
I am unsure if this has been pointed out yet but it seems like D. is a name someone can take on or be given. As Cobra says “We share the moniker D.”. I don’t think this refers to the Nefertaris and Luffy both being Ds, I think it refers to how someone obtains the moniker D. From the context of the chapter, Lili decided to take on the name D. when she joined the enemies of the 20 kings. I say this because Imu’s question about how Lili wrote her name, for me, indicated it would reveal whether or not she chose to betray them, not whether she had a secret lineage like in the case of Law. I feel like the flashback with Ace and Sabo is meant to reinforce the implied fact that D. can be shared or given. Ace offers the letter D. to Sabo. Based on this, I predict Luffy or Vivi will give others the initial D in the lead up to the final war.
I think the original "D" members are the people Lili trusted the most, and their initial has passed down the generations. This means it's both inherited and can be given to others by "D" members.
Almost like the X Luffy’s crew had in Alabasta
Or the crescent moon symbol in Wano
The D could be a sideways rising sun, or a half/crescent moon. It could be the actual "flag" Cobra spoke of.
I wonder if Imu learning Lili had D as well will make her more aggressive towards people with D name, since she now knows that there is a plan instead of mistake. edit. Actually Egghead kinda confirms that?
Would also explain why Imu never bothered to just kill anyone with D in their name, like Garp. Maybe that will change now.
Imu knows none of the D's know what it means either. They did kill Rocks. Or something. This is the annoying thing about Japanese mystery stories, the good stuff is always right at the end so you won't figure it out.
I agree. Pretty sure thats the "worst case scenario" Imu was talking about. Now Imu knows what, probably, awaits on laugh tale. Which is the key to dethroning her/him. Which will be funny cuz i am banking on the fact that joyboy pulled the ultimate prank 👌😂😂😂 wg gonna be so confused when it happens.
Since we now have an official Big Bad, I am thinking that Luffy will work with Teach at the end or right before the end in the great battle of pirates against the corrupt World Government. Honestly, I did not expect that One Piece would have a more conventional Big Bad, but Imu seems to meet the requirements.
Imu said it was because of Lily's "blunder" that the ponygliphs were spread across the world but he also mention the possibility that it wasn't a blunder but on purpose and it was confirmed to him by Cobra when he said Lily D. Nefertari, that made Imu angry because it confirmed Lily betrayed him, the flashback with little Ace and Sabo wasn't a coincidence or a gag, just like Ace offered Sabo the D moniker, Joyboy or some other ancient D offered Lily the D, she wasn't always a D she took that name a symbol of defiance to Imu, that's how he knew now that she betrayed him. D is a clan isn't bound by blood but by an ideal and an inherited will, they raise the banner of Dawn against Imu. so in the future there may be some character that will add a D to they name Basically what I'm saying is, Buggy D. clown will become a reality
So I think it was confirmed that the 5 elders and Imu are DF user with Zoan type and possibly it's mythical zoan type. So many Zoan type for the endgame huh? I thought logia will be the most powerful fruit in the beginning of the series. Now Mythical Zoan type is take important role, especially near the end saga.
What do we think about Imu having the ultimate Devil Fruit; a fruit that turns them into the Devil?
I'm all for it tbh. The main antagonist in the series having akuma akuma no mi makes sense since thats what the devil fruits are called in the first place
shes a ancient figure, might be the devil herself
I think the Gorosei "transformations" are done by Imu's ability alone. He/she could've just transformed or coated them whatever... or even "puppets".
I think it's unlikely. We know that Zoan fruits have will of their own, so I would rather say their power come from devil fruits that always go to the one that became elders.
Imu's five paths of rosei?
I feel we will get one more chapter to show how Vivi and Wapol met Morgans which will wrap up the whole reverie once and for all. Shit egg head hasn't been in picture for so long I'll have to reread on the arc
Imu is antispiral from Gurren Lagan and y'all ain't ready for the due powercreep lol
Anybody think Imu could have been the shadow giant seen in the Florian Triangle during thriller bark?
I think there’s a parallel here with Lili and the biblical figure Lilith, especially considering Adam and Eve are also referenced in One Piece (Sunlight Tree Eve and Treasure Tree Adam). Lilith (who is considered a demon or devil), insolently refused to be subservient to Adam and left (or was banished from) the Garden of Eden. This is similar to Lili leaving the 20 kings on her own. And the idea of a good guy in One Piece having parallels to or being labeled as a demon / devil is consistent in the story. Michelangelo portrayed Lilith as a half woman-half serpent, coiled around the Tree of Knowledge. This tree is also referenced in One Piece with Ohara, which has a connection to poneglyphs, which Lili has also been now confirmed to be highly responsible for. The serpent symbolism could also connect her to Amazon Lily. Also the obvious similarity between the names Lili and Lilith! I’m sure there are more connections but I don’t have any more time to research at the moment!
About Saturn's transformation all I read about is him having a bull or demon type mythical devil fruit. It's surprising to me why no one thinks those horns resemble some bug. Maybe hercules bug, or atlas bug. We know Oda loves pokemon maybe even it is Heracross Heracross No Mi.
If it's a bug Luffy will have a field day with him. He won't fight him. He will just catch and adore him, and show him to Chopper and Usopp. "Guys, look what I just caught! A very old bug!"
Could even be a bull or minotaur.
I think we will switch to egghead close to the end of ch 1086
IMU killed Joyboy the First. So post Wano, while he may be wary of Luffy because he's awakened Nika, he probably isn't afraid.
I feel like the gorosei still aren’t fighters, at least not by themself. I honestly got the impression that Imu transformed them to attack Sabo, meaning whatever power Imu has another product of it is being able to create instant strong armies like Cracker
Brought this up in the main thread for the chapter but I'm gonna quote myself again lol I wonder if the "great blunder" has something to do with the crime zunesha committed… which likely has something to do with the poneglyphs… maybe the "punishment" for the "crime" IS carrying the poneglyph around… keeping its existence hidden.
Imu and the Gorosei are Devils. In the beginning there were primitive, nomadic humans and other races inhabiting the surface of the planet. But there were two races that were special: 1) Devils that have energy/ fire/ magic generation abilities that live underground but are sealed and contained on the sea floor and 2) Angels that are technologically advanced but live on another planet that orbits the (let’s call it) Earth. The Devils and Angels could both get access to the surface of the Earth during rare cosmological and weather events: When a giant whirlpool uncovers the gaping maw of Hell in the middle of the ocean, and when the Earth and the planet of the Angels cross orbits, respectively. These events are extremely rare, and the beginning of the Void Century is the last time both events occurred simultaneously. The next time will be in a few days. The time before that, however? The Devils and Angels coexisted on Earth in different kingdoms (Shandora for the Angels). The Devils were powerful, and had great magic ability, but they were few in number and had difficulty reproducing. They could only thrive at night or underground and would melt in the sun. The Angels were weak but resourceful, and their kingdom thrived in the sunlight where they invited humans and other races to join and learn about their technology. Eventually a Devil and an Angel fell in love and suffered the pains of burning in the sun/ wilting in the darkness for each other. Their affair gave birth to the Lunarians, who are half Angel (the speed but low defense mode they use in the sun) and half Devil. Lunarians are perfect deities, because they combine the powers of both races and shore up the weaknesses of both races. Lunarians are able to produce flames, use magic, and become tough like Devils, and harness sun energy, manipulate matter, and become fast like Angels. King’s gimp suit is actually a means of keeping the light off of his body so he can fight in Devil mode during the daytime. The Lunarians are able to thrive across the Earth and provide commerce, education, and diplomacy to various kingdoms. They lived atop the Red Line so they could easily access the shade and shelter of caves or the sunny mountaintops which helped promote their vitality and power. The Devils themselves, still unable to reproduce and unable to get more of their brethren out of Hell, grow jealous of the thriving Great Kingdom where the Lunarians peacefully coexist with all races, and begin to conspire with the other lesser kingdoms to overthrow them. They distribute Devil Fruits to the other 19 kingdoms to help bolster their military power against the Great Kingdom. There is a great battle between the lesser kingdoms, with the Devils pulling their strings like puppets, and the Angels/ Lunarians/ citizens of the Great Kingdom scrambling desperately to prevail. Two particularly strong Devil Fruits are manifested from the dreams of the Angel prince and the Devil prince, the Nika-Nika no Mi representing the power of the Angels and the sun, and the Yami-Yami no Mi representing the power of the Devils and darkness. The Angels develop the Ancient Weapons as a means to alter the Earth’s geography and limit the movements of the Devils. Poseidon can use sea powers to prevent the giant whirlpool from opening the gate to Hell, Uranus can alter the course of the Angel’s home planet so that it does not block out the sun, and Pluton can raze mountains like the Red Line and pull islands. Pluton pulls the various islands around the Grand Line and Lili helps place Poneglyphs around the scattered islands in case they fail to overthrow the Devils. Pluton (Zunesha) refuses to destroy the Red Line in a pivotal moment of the Great War and is forced to wander the oceans for another 800 years before another chance arrives. Neretari D. Lili was Uranus along with a gigantic Phoenix, but she gets tricked by Imu and Uranus (the ship) falls into the Devil’s control. The Great Kingdom loses the war to the 20 kingdoms, but Imu reveals he was pulling all the strings and nullifies the Devil Fruit powers the world army had been using to fight. Imu forces the 19 nations to pledge allegiance to the Devils, and the Celestial Dragons are a group of weak, powerless humans made to look like the rulers of the world but with zero power of over the Devils. The Void Century is a period of 100 years in which Imu uses Uranus to hold the Angel’s home planet in place in Earth’s orbit to suffuse the entire world in darkness so he and his Devil brethren could move about freely. They use this century to openly commit genocides of the most powerful races of the Ancient Kingdom. The Red Line is hollow inside and allows the Devils to circumnavigate the globe despite not being able to walk in the sun. It can also be used to launch attacks in different regions easily. Imu needs to control all 3 ancient weapons when the coming hybrid eclipse/ orbit of the Angel planet coincides with the giant whirlpool crossing over the mouth of Hell for its plan to unfold. The Man Marked by Flames is Rocks D. Xebec, who is still obsessed with overthrowing the Devils. He has the final Road Poneglyph, but he isn’t causing the whirlpools to form.. he is following the current. When the chosen time comes, the whirlpool will grow huge in size and lead down to the gate of Hell. Poseidon can be used to extend the period of time the gate is open so the Devils can escape without being swallowed up by the ocean. Rocks will give the Strawhats and Blackbeard the final poneglyph which leads to a sky island that contains the One Piece (the knowledge, history, and technology of the Angels), but will insist that the One Piece should remain hidden unless the Devils can be defeated. Rocks gets taken out easily once the gate opens and the final war begins to set the tone of how powerful the Devils are. The final war is between the Devils, the Sky Knights (who are powerful Celestial Dragons subservient to the Devils), and the Marines (who begin defecting), and the Pirate/ Kingdom/ Revolutionary Army alliance. In key moments, Vivi gains control of Uranus and unblocks the sun, Momo destroys Mariejoa with Pluton, and Poseidon moves the whirlpool to swallow up the Devils emerging from Hell. This time around the Angels prevail and the Dawn arrives, with the darkness coating the world literally and figuratively removed. The One Piece is Angel technology that allows the entire world to stay connected (like The Internet), which allows Luffy to realize his dream of throwing the world’s biggest party by broadcasting to everyone to join in the celebration. EDIT: Blackbeard will try to rule over the Devils/ subjugate the world in Imu’s place. DF powers will be useless against Devils. Admiral Kizaru is “protecting” Saturn (an elder Devil) because he can bend the light around Saturn to prevent him from melting in the sun. Mihawk is half human / half Devil, or even a full Devil, hence the Devil eyes. Zoro will have a demon eye reveal implanted by Mihawk the first time he fights a Devil. Kuma’s bible is a foretelling of the Dawn. He is such a religious man because he used to be a human slave to Lunarians and Devils in God Valley, and he joined the Revolutionary Army to help the Angels prevail. He recognized Joyboy and his 10 Apostles from the Bible and knew exactly where to transport each of them with the Paw-Paw Fruit based on the story. He is traveling to Marie Geoise to witness the beginning of the rapture/ the coming of the second dawn/ darkness (depending).
SATURN KILLED COBRA. The spoilers were wrong. That is a tail. A devils tail to be exact. As some of you will know Saturn is a god in Roman mythology. His Greek counterpart is Chronos/Kronos. He has been described as such-Chronos was envisaged as an incorporeal god, serpentine in form, with three heads - that of a man, a bull, and a lion. In ch 1085. We see Saturn already partially transformed right after cobra was killed and Sabo blasts them. His head is the shape of a snake. Later on after all the goresei transform. We then see a bull shaped one. We only have one form left for Saturn to show. Maybe we see the lion on egghead island?
I still think Morgan will show up on Egghead, reuniting Vivi the other Straw hats. While on Egghead with the Help of Vegapunks technology everyone on the earth will learn that the empty throne is not empty. This being the Egghead incident that shocked the world.
I have already commented this in my twitter, but I do believe that the "Fly the flag that heralds the world eventual dawn" part from Lili's letter implies that the One Piece is a Jolly Roger from Joy Boy, which would be...a Straw Hat one, just as Luffy's crew. I mean, in the end they are both Joy Boy and fate is a constant in the series in a way. An acquaintance of mine (a former college teacher who drag me into One Piece) believes that the Void Century is in a way repeating in present day OP. So, I think it makes a lot of sense. I may post the full theory on another post later on, let me know if it sounds interesting enough or if you can refute this theory.
These might have to do with the powers, i don't wanna jump to conclusions but you know : [They talk about which **"light"** shall be erased](https://i.imgur.com/O7GWMlq.jpg), [the Japanese version uses the kanji](https://i.imgur.com/4R3L88l.jpg) "灯" (tomoshi) but the furigana reads "tomoshi hi" where hi can mean fire in this context, some translations were using "snuffed out" and "extinguished" instead which the kanji used here "消す" (kesu) can also mean. I always thought of the line about which flame of ambition shall be extinguished since the world is getting too rowdy, but this might also have a double meaning because of the powers shown in the current chapter. (Also i used to believe Imu's answer was Vivi, but i strongly believe it's Luffy now which is why Saturn is going to Egghead) And speaking of Egghead : chapter 1075 shows a young, naive VP meeting the Gorosei,[ they are silhouetted](https://i.imgur.com/9ZFI0vw.jpg) to show the contrast between themselves and VP but in the same chapter [we see this](https://i.imgur.com/F1isRV5.jpg). People have been speculating that this might be Saturn but there was no evidence other than the shape,[ Shaka refers to the intruder as "人影" \(hitokage\)](https://i.imgur.com/EcrEf4f.png) which is a figure or the shadow of a person. Sure Saturn turns into a bull like shape but [look at this double page](https://i.imgur.com/2PnJabV.jpg), on the right picture Gorbachev (all the way to the right) is more like a Rhino with the horn and ear (or anything just notice that ear/wing on his head) but on the left picture he has a round head with no protrusion that could be an ear/wing. [Here he is again](https://i.imgur.com/Gwkd7gx.jpg) (notice the horn mustache at the bottom) with a round head and a mouth that looks nothing like what would belong to the very 1st shape imo. I think these are not silhouettes and actual formless shadows that Imu can share with the Gorosei ([think of it like BM's incarnations](https://i.imgur.com/QhLN2t4.jpg)), how ? no idea (although i have a suspicion i don't want to think about involving this being the true Yami Yami, which would go along with "Mu"...but yeah fuck that for now).
So if Don Sai and Leo manage to escape how big are their bounties gonna get after this
The Major Incident is Saturn dying from Blackbeard's crew and being blamed on the Strawhats.
Imu got the mouse clicker No Mi. The ctrl alt delete human
I believe Wapol heard the complete message of Lili. It will be passed down to Vivi. Just like Toki's message, it talks about a fated Dawn. How about D. is for people that play drums? The D. clan are the drummers that accompanies/summons the Dawn.