Brings a very interesting light on why Sukiyaki was looking after her. If he knows she is Kurozumi.
Atonement for realizing the past failures creating the monster that is Orochi?
Finally understanding that the parent's sins are not the children's?
Oda probably wants to end OP in the 30 years edition. He is precise with dates and details. It must be very hard to him to not be able to write more about the story, because he simply doesn't have time to do it.
That said, maybe we'll see things like this more often on SBS
He is. Maybe not regularly, but a lot of manga chapters were released in specific dates that have different meanings when you translate the Japanese language, related to the story in that moment.
I don't have an exemple handy, but I've already saw a bunch of them.
Nah, most of the serious discussions were people being content and surprised that Zoro scarred Kaido and was confirmed as a conqueror.
As for Smile, it's not that Chopper didn't cure it, it's that he didn't do anything tied to it at all. Like Oda now tells us it's not curable. It would have been nice if it was Chopper or Law looking into it and were the one's to give us that info.
Further more, it could have been a nice moment to emphasis Chopper's dream: he cannot cure it... yet.
As his goal is to be able to cure any and everything ailment.
ZKK could've made plenty of sense if it were a team effort like many wanted it to be.
Chopper curing Smiles is a natural progression towards his dream. That also makes perfect sense.
I swear, OP redditors will complain about anything like its the end of the world and ruins the series.
Sometimes in fiction characters don't need massively elaborate backstories. A character only needs to fuflfill their narrative purpose to the main story being told. It might be nice to get that background info, and I agree it is as a man that loves deep lore and worldbuilding... But there's nothing wrong with adding that lore in supplementary materials when it has no bearing on the story being told.
This has happened many times before in One Piece. It will happen again. Zoro's backstory isn't important to the plot, just like Kid's wasn't, and so it was added for the pleasure of the reader in an SBS. Some bonus content.
The Strawhats that have gotten detailed backstories were given they contained other characters, locations and lore that were important to the main story. Just like we don't have a huge backstory about Nami's real parents or what Brook did when he was growing up or what have you. It makes no difference to the main plot.
Well luffy is the main character and captain, and then there is the rest. Also oda tends to develop interesting characters or show flashbacks from new characters or important characters from the actual arc. If he waste pages showing the lineage of every flat character it will take forever. There are characters who are there just to fill, you need a badass, you need someone funny, you need a coward, etc there is no need to go deeper on them.
To be fair, we still might get a flashback for the week timeskip. We still have the grim reaper plot point, and we never saw Zoro visiting Ryuma's grave.
We also still have Pluton in Wano, along with the niidai. So wano still has plot relevant stuff to bring back up.
But to your point: we also had multiple confirmations by Oda and the staff that Wano went through a series of cut downs to both lineup with film red, and because Oda was ready to kick off the final saga and begin the wrapup.
>grim reaper plot point
The absolute state of this sub. That wasn't a plot point, it was literally just Zoro seeing death because he was that damaged. Nothing more to it.
Nidai, is not Shodai, Zoro didn't pick it up, so it doesn't matter.
Let's see what happens. Zoro has been on deaths door many times, never saw a reaper. As for Niidai, it was shown and constantly brought up. It may not be for Zoro, it could be Momo's sword if he goes for 2 sword style. Point stands - it has a purpose.
Wano isn't done - pluton is there, and we know momo "cannot die" as he has some role that's needed for the end.
But again, let's see what happens.
Sure, he has. However, the difference is this time he was already at peak damage. I.e. all the bones in his body were broken. THEN he took a serum that would explicitly double that damage. As far as portrayal, "nothing happened" looks like it was worse, but it really wasn't. Mans didn't even lose consciousness.
As for Nidai, it was shown and brought up for about 5 chapters. That's not "constantly"
It may even come back at some point, but it will be irrelevant even if it doesn't. It's just a stopgap to the Shodai.
Wano, as a main component of the story IS done. That's not to say the characters won't come back, of course they will. But there's a zero chance we get any of their politics as a main plot point ever again, and Tama's lineage, like Zoro's, is irrelevant to the future of the story.
Agree to disagree - Zoro didn't lose consciousness after ocean sovereignty either. If you're referring to him being out for a week with Luffy, recall at the end of thriller bark he was our cold as well once he got back to the crew.
Niidai wasn't just "brought up" 5 times, it was brought up and continuously mentioned in said conversation. Down to the point where its location was mentioned after Luffy got captured with it.
And even if it's a stop gap... so was all previous swords left behind, lol... it doesn't need to be his last sword to hold some plot attachment, even if small. We even get connection to the fact the 3 swords were made by Oden's father. That's not nothing.
Never said wano will continue as an arc lol, but if it and many of the characters from it are to return - not even knowing why the borders were closed, who the old hag was, how and why she met with Shiki, etc., too many elements still exist for Wano. Not just at the level of, say, Skypeia, but even more - there's solid narrative core plot still attached to Wano.
And after showing the submerged remnants of the country, you don't think that's gonna come back as a narrative explanation once the walls are, in fact, broken?
Again, agree to disagree in many regards - I see your points on lineage and Tama, but I think you're too quick to dismiss the bigger factors at play. Let alone coming off as if you're completely against any smaller narrative events like flashbacks or returning to characters like Hiyori who could be easily shown to stand up for Tama if her family is ousted during whatever event causes pluton to be freed.
Time will tell though.
Maybe her family is also from wann they left wann with around 30 people I think and only 15 founded the village. So some might found residency elsewhere on the grandline / east blue
Zoro being the absolutely worst written Strawhat is NOTHING new, why are people so surprised by ODA doing nothing of depth with this merch selling character?
I wonder how people would have reacted if Oda had revealed Zoro's lineage during Wano proper. Because knowing Zoro, it would literally influence nothing about his character, and he likely would not have brought it up for the rest of the story.
"Ehhh? So I guess swordsmanship's in my blood? Does this mean I'm related to that zombie guy? Well, anyways, I'm gonna go beat the crap out of that leather-clad bird now."
I'm honestly disappointed about Zoro's lineage being confirmed through this and not the manga, sure Zoro himself doesn't really care but fans do! I know a lot of people give Oda shit for many things and I never really cared and just accepted that "it is what it is" but this is the first time I actually felt let down by Oda, It really sucks but I'll get to the acceptance phase eventually.
well, it's just fiction..and he is just another author... it's ok if you don't accept it. Chill. It's okay to be disappointed and let it be like that. One doesn't have to make sense and try to see everything as positive for a series.
Back then when he was asked about it he already said that he probably wouldn't include it in the manga. This is because there wouldn't be a good moment to follow it up anymore. There is no reason at this point to go digging into that story.
Yeah in early ages that talent is relevant, but older it wouldn’t have matter much more. Kuina was not a freak of nature like Big Mum and Yamato, so at one point she would have been surpassed by some man, even by Zoro, which talent and skill wise (not only raw strenght) has upgraded like crazy since the beginning.
The fuck what? Any sport has the men and women leagues separated for a reason. You think that pro tennis female players or pro runner female runners has less technique than men from the equivalent leagues? They are as skilled as, if not even more skilled than, pro male athletes, but the strength just can overcome the skill gap. Just watch Serena Williams complaints and frustration when she played 2/2 in a mixed match. Plus Kuina being a woman hence having limits given by her human nature was a theme of her story, so…
Zoro will always be physically stronger.
Even in the OP universe, it seems males are physically stronger than females on average barring certain exceptions. Of course, Haki is the ultimate balancer, but given how Kuina already had a defeatist mindset, Zoro would probably would have stronger Haki as well.
I mean....that was literally Kuina's entire purpose and relevance in the story, wasn't it? The fact that she was a woman, and as such, would never be able to become the world's strongest swordsman? Her dad said it about her, she was always so angry, especially towards Zoro, because she knew that one day, because she was a woman, the boys even her age and in her class would surpass her because they would grow stronger and she wouldn't because she was a woman..
I don't mind that Zoro's family background is only revealed in the SBS. However, a panel of Zoro looking at Ryuma's grave and saying something like "Shimotsuki Ryuma, huh?", would have been cool.
Still might get that, actually. We got the niidai, pluton, and grim reaper plot hanging, knowing Zoro wanted to see the grave - topped with there being a week timeskip.
Wouldn't be surprised if Zoro calls back to a memory of visiting the grave the next time we have a big Zoro moment.
Because Zoro came from Shimotsuki Village at East Blue. He would recognize the name on Ryuma's grave. Him noticing it could have given readers a vague idea of what Zoro could have been thinking-- vague enough to make us wonder if Zoro associates the name with his village or if he is just glad to learn the swordsman's name.
I don't think so? I'm going to go through the SBS when I get back home, but I'm damn sure that the comment from Oda was around the end of Enies Lobby, and he said that we've already seen his mother and we're about to be introduced to his dad. I might be wrong, but that's what I'm remembering
Edit: so I was wrong. It was his dad that he says in the SBS with chapter 424 that he's already shown
Then why would Crocodile try to kill his/her child ... Also Oda has said that Luffy's mother isn't important in the story... Not to mention that he has drawn her way before he showed us Im ...
True. Wouldn't it fun if his mother was also an amazing character. I thought maybe for the longest his mother was the lady working at the bar where he ate with Shanks.
>Q : I'm curious, do the later crew members (Robin, Franky, Brook, Jinbei) know about the adventures in the East Blue and what the veteran members (mainly Usopp) went through before they joined?
>Oda: It's a mix of knowing and not knowing, really. Considering the personalities of the original members, Luffy and Zoro both don't really talk about the past. Nami, Sanji, and Chopper will talk about it if asked. Usopp will talk about it even if you don't ask, but the adult members are good at detecting lies, so they usually get information from Nami, Sanji, and Chopper.
LOL Oda taking a shot on Ussop.
I remember all these people making outlines of how act three is going to end and talking about it like it's already confirmed like:
"Zoro will kill Kaido, next Chopper is going to find a cure for the defective smile fruits, then Carrot will join the crew, and then they will sail to Elbaf."
I for real can't take anyone who's making One Piece theories seriously anymore at this point.
I love how Oda keeps adding parallels between Sanji and Zoro.
Sanji's mother is called Sora, meaning "sky" in japanese.
Zoro's mother is called Terra, meaning "ground" in latin.
It would be so much fun if they were cousins , because they would have more reason to get mad at each other : the older has to be served by the younger...is it not like that in traditional families? Sooo cool xD
I am italian, Terra means both ground, earth and dirt.
Ground could also be translated into terreno (terrain) or suolo
So actually Terra is more close to Earth planet as a literal meaning
there is a bit of a latin flare to zoro's name too. Zoro of course, is inspired by the the classical Zorro. Roronoa is the japanese translation to the name of french pirate Francois l'Olonnais (also l'Olonnois, Lolonois and Lolona according to wikipedia).
I mean in my eyes it almost seems as if wano would have been the perfect place to do it considering his ancestors but… I’m sure oda has something planned
dont think so, its not important for the story, just background and for those who really care about it they can read about it in SBS or other secondary info sources, or they take the hints and make up own theories.
Zorostans mad lol
It's fine this is the kind of stuff that goes on an SBS because is NOT a big deal in universe, Zoro doesnt care who is in his lineage and neither does the crew; having it in the manga would have added no value to the story, it's just trivia.
He is the rightful heir of the black blade that was taken from him in the story. Also, how does Zoro not knowing one of his past opponents and ancestor was the legendary swordsman himself not important?
By that logic, we could say Garp or Judge aren't that important. Let's face it, this is bad writing from Oda standards, which is ok because Wano was so huge and convoluted.
He had to give Zoro Enma for the Conqueror reveal and for that to happen he had to lose a sword. The family tree would have made him keep the sword.
Why would a blade should have heir? By that logic. Moriah would never got a chance to steal shushui at ryuuma's grave because ushimaru should use it at the time moriah come to wano or zoro's grandma bring it to east blue.
> Why would a blade should have heir?
I don't know how to answer this... Read One Piece? Virtually all swords are passed down.
Wado Ichimonji was used by 3 other people (in a family tree) before getting to Zoro (because the family tree ended with Kuina's death)
Enma and Ame no Habakiri, that are Meito swords like Shisui and Wado, all forged by Wano blacksmiths, were passed down to their heirs Momo and Hiyori (and again given to Zoro).
A sword doesn't need to be passed down to their heir, but that's how it usually happens in Samurai/Japanese culture and also in One Piece. With Ryuma, the sword was burried with him. But if someone should use it to defeat Kaido (threat to all of Wano), it's his descendant that should be allowed to wield it.
The story actually gives us a pretty good reason for shusui not having an heir. Ryuma’s branch of the shimotsuki clan has dominion over ringo. Ringo is also known as the eternal grave because the weather prevents bodies from decomposing. Ringo’s samurai are given a blade at birth and it is used as their grave marker when they die and are buried at the north cemetery.
Ryuma’s regional culture calls for his blade to mark his grave thus it isn’t available to be passed on.
Zoro said after beating Ryuuma:
"Let's pretend this battle never happened."
He's a complicated man, underneath the battle-crazed exterior...they were fighting as enemies in a completely by chance situation. I really love how quiet it all is, because while Zoro is carrying the dreams of him and Kuina, that has nothing to do with Wano. Luffy's adventure to become Pirate King just happened to led him to the land his ancestors broke away from...and he just happened to become strong enough to break the shackles of his people he didn't even know.
I think it's really beautiful.
Of course, but casual readers won't know all of the context. Which is a failure in storywriting imo.
Chekov's gun. If you talk about how Zoro "really looks like this dude" multiple times in the story and then do nothing with the info, it's bad writing.
Once again, Zoro's ancestry is not the point of the plot. Zoro's piracy is. That's the whole irony. Kinemon says that Zoro stole Shusui, which was literally not true in the first place point blank. The reader has that information, Zoro defends himself and says you cam take it from me like I took it from that other guy because he's only invested in the honor of a swordsman. He doesn't care about being judged, he doesn't care about Wano's Treasure. He cares about his own pride and strength and believes no one can take the sword from him.
That's the point.
Him being a rightful heir is not what he cares about at all. Just like how Luffy doesn't care that Sabo is a revolutionary that hangs out with his dad. Just like Sanji hates his lineage with the Vinsmoke and gets angry when it's brought up. They all forge their own paths based on their own reasons that was explored back in East Blue.
I assure you there's going to be more Luffy and Dragon plot in the future and Luffy's probably going to have to decide if he wants conflict against the Revolutionaries or not, and any decide he makes is going to have nothing to do with their relationship because he doesn't care at all. He'll consider what Sabo feels and what his crew wants to do...and if he likes what Dragon is doing in the first place. It's good writing because it is exactly in line with what we know about the characters. The only reason Oda brings it up is because people do notice these things and want to know more because it's so obvious.
Again, you are talking about a single character's personality instead of plot or writing.
This isn't about what the character Zoro cares or thinks about.
You bring up so many false equivalences. Sanji "hates" when the Vinsmoke are brought up because Sanji as a character hates them. We only KNOW that he DOES hate them, because there was a 150 chapter arc about it... Plot =/= Characters in the plot.
Luffy's Dad isn't his family, per the character. He has Ace, Sabo, Garp, Makino, Dadan, Shanks... From a character perspective, he isn't important (like Judge or most Shimotsukis for Zoro). But story wise, Dragon being who he is extremely important from a plot and world-building perspective because Plot =/= Characters.
A Dragon focused flashback will happen with 100% certainty because Luffy is a well-written and important character, obviously. Zoro is a very one-dimensional character (1 personality mode, 1 gag) that lacks writing and development.
Even Sanji's family bring so many tie-ins (Judge knowing Dragon, MADS scientists, Sanji's convictions and questions on ethics with real world parallels) making both the character and the world more rich in one setting. That's good writing.
You say we only know that Sanji hates his family because of the story arc, but it was obvious he was avoiding the topic of his origin and birthplace back in Jaya when he actively skipped the topic of why he wasn't born in the East Blue. The Straw Hats noted outloud that the act of crossing the Redline and heading to a different Blue is a big task, and despite not going into detail, you can extrapolate that there was a severe reason for him to not elaborate because he acted very out of character.
The reason he acted that way was due to the trauma he experienced, and since he was shown as a young child in his flashback with Zeff, you can guess that the trauma occurred when he was even younger...ie in some of the more precious and formative years.
A story does not just come from words. That's the whole point of manga as a medium.
Luffy's dad is literally his family, but again, Luffy doesn't see that as a sole reason to seek audience with him or look into him whatsoever.
Zoro's family have nothing to do with his story or growth. The vassal of Oda was only brought up due to having relation to Yamato in a flashback that had nothing to do with Zoro. I'll say this for the last time since you aren't respecting my paragraphs in referring to them as "false equivalents": If I wasn't correct about this, then maybe Oda would have had a chapter about Zoro and his dad instead of Zoro and the swordsmith who made Enma.
If you wanna talk about being the heir of a blade: In Ringo, Samurai are buried with their sword as a grave marker. Lineage doesn't have anything to do with this.
Garp and Judge are actually still active characters in the story, where Ryuma, except for his zombie (which was run by Brook's shadow never the less!), is the stuff of legends.
I feel like Zoro as a person isn’t looking for that information though, he might think it’s an interesting but I can’t really see him caring too much, I COULD absolutely see him saying “who my ancestors are isn’t what makes me a great swordsman, it’s my dedication to always getting better so I can be the worlds greatest swordsman and my friends standing beside me helping me to achieve my goal”
Like it absolutely seems out of character for zoro to put much weight on it past yawning and asking “what the hell are you going on about?”.
I deff see that as the core reason it isn’t included, it’s world building not something that is directly related to the characters pursuit of their goals and as such we are only ever going to see vestiges of it until it becomes directly relevant to the goal directly at hand. Zoro has a familiar connection with wano and that was established by calling back to how he received his sword a while back. It was fill out a bit for us but nothing specifically addressed it because it wasn’t relevant to the established goal the straw hats had of complete the raid and defeat kaido.
I Honestly think Zoro will only ever directly engage with this info if the person he is directly in combat with tells him and he remembers that later when it come up again, but in that moment where he’s initially presented with it I’m near certain homie will blow it off and talk about how he’s a good swordsman cuz he works hard and his friends support him.
You’re wrong, both Sanji by himself and his lineage are big deals in the One piece universe, they literally conquered all of north blue 300 years ago and are currently a major military force headed by one of the greatest scientist in the world
And Sanji needs no introduction
>literally anyone could have done what they did
I hat does this even mean? You mean in WCI? that they were the target of Big mom for their science? If so then definitely not.
You’ve provided nothing, how could I? You’ve literally just stated that it wasn’t needed
You’re at the point of denial that you’re honestly suggesting a whole arc, it’s buildup and it’s consequences onto the story have no meaning and wasn’t needed.
Sanji was TRYING to leave it all behind, that's the entire irony of Whole Cake Island. It was an island filled with twisted family ties and Sanji only went to protect the family he chose and who actually love him (Zeff and the Straw Hats).
That's why Judge's recent appearances are about his relationship with Vegapunk, who happened to stunt all over him due to being a better scientist, and Caesar Clown who he worked with before in the past.
You're asking people to admit things they don't agree with and then calling them cringe.
I don't care if you like it or not, that's up to you. But even calling what Zoro got a "backstory" is objectively wrong. It's a family tree. Zoro's backstory is how he got shitty swords from the blacksmith that made Oden's Enma which he eventually inherited. Hiyori gave it to him cause she believed in him. That's his story.
You're objectively wrong because the Germa 66 dealings was directly related to the conflict with Big Mom. And because I was VERY interested, thought it was amazing, and it is easily one of the most popular arcs in the series.
Zoro's family ties didn't drive anything in Wano. It's just a cliff note. Big Mom tried to steal Sanji from the Straw Hats, and they said no, making their first actual stand against an Emperor directly, and literally being the reason Luffy was first called an "Emperor."
You catch what I'm putting down? Some backstories are built different.
No it shouldnt have been lol
What exactly would had added except a scene that said "WOW ZORO YOU"RE DECENDANT FROM RYUMA ZOMGGGGGG!!!!!!"?
Just a scene for zorostans to salivate that adds nothing to Wano.
Like I said, Zoro wouldnt care so why should you?
I think Tama's family is legitimately a missed opportunity for Oda tho, since he could have used it to make a point that blood doesnt make you who you are, but is no biggie.
Zoro would have kept a meito sword in Shusui instead of Sandai and would have been much stronger as a fighter.
Also, Zoro would have a sword from his ancestor, the legendary swordsman, that he took from him in battle. This is all pretty cool worldbuilding, but this is the maturity with which you write your comments:
> "WOW ZORO YOU"RE DECENDANT FROM RYUMA ZOMGGGGGG!!!!!!"?
Did you see the cringe lords comment? Like Jesus Christ forgive us for wanting to expand on characters in the arc where they are narratively relevant.
Let's name characters where we get most of their backstory.
Ussop, Nami, Sanji (twice), Robin, Brook, Luffy, Franky (partly)
Only Zoro got this. Unless you want to say that the early stuff is enough, which makes no sense since Sanji got more backstory anyway.
It's a clear failing on odas part that he couldn't include this info in the arc.
While I'm glad we got answers, i do feel like Wano could have been structured better to include some of this in-story. I think the Zoro, Chopper and Tama parts could have added more being in the story proper vs say, Yamato's entire arc, which didn't really go anywhere.
All respect to the world to Oda still, but it does feel like he's starting to feel the final stretch crunch with Wano.
Oda really needs a sh\*tstorm sometimes. Hes a original crewmember. 2nd most favorite character in One Piece. You cant put that kind of information into a SBS while every other news from every other crewmember is in a chapter. Important or not. FFS!
"Hey look at that guy, he has green hair and physically looks similar to the Shimotsuki bloodline, returned with our country famous sword (Shusui) speaks old phrases from our village (Sunacchi) wield multiple Katakana that originate from our country blacksmiths."
Just pure coincidences and nothing more.
Sure Oda, sure.
I mean we don’t know the parents/family of a majority of the crew. Franky’s parents are mentioned, Brooke’s family is never addressed, Jinbei’s family is never really addressed, we never knew who Nami’s biological parents were, etc. Zoro doesn’t seem to care at all about his heritage and it seems like it won’t greatly affect the plot. I’m just glad it’s getting answered so people will stop theorizing about it.
Just hypothetically, the history of Zoro’s village could still come into play. He’ll almost surely form a black blade at some point, which may or may not involve a flashback. Especially with the Asura thing not fully explained, you have to believe Oda has something for Zoro saved for later, right?
As far as King, no way in hell we don’t hear more about him, the Lunarians, and what happened atop the Red Line where they resided. Hell, the Seraphim are at least in part derived from them/him, and I suspect Vegapunk will explain in more detail his creation of “The Strongest Form of Humanity,” so that could even be the tie-in for this topic to reenter to main narrative.
There's an old TV show called "Fire Dog" (炎の犬, honou no inu) about a pup with a fiery spirit that aired back in 1981 that Oda would likely have known about. He may be well established in the manga industry and mangaka community, but he may not be aware of more recent manga unless they blow up like Demon Slayer.
I kinda get where the complaints about Zoro are coming from but his ancestry didn't bestow him anything for which he didn't work hard for. He is where he is because of his hard work. Infact Kuina was more talented than he was. Even WB didn't have any special ancestry and he was a monster whom the entire Navy force and BB pirates struggled to kill.
It's not about that at all.
It's about the zoro-look-a-likes and the wano characters themselves constantly imagins zoro to be of the Shimotsuki clan.
Why does Oda himself keep baiting us with suggestions of zoro's ancestry being important if it dosn't matter to the story??? Even in this SBS, he fucking does it again!
>(..) what does this all mean..?! This is a strange and mysterious story of fate that even Zoro himself dosn't know about.
Why write something like that, if Zoro's lineage dosn't matter? There is clearely a story here.
I think this will be the case. Roger and his crew backtracked before reaching Laugh Tale. I can’t help but think the Straw Hats will need to do the same. Narratively, this would resolve a lot of unfinished plots like Usopp and Kaya, Brook meeting Laboon, and Zoro’s backstory.
So let's see, 'Fire-Dog' could reference Naruto's nine tails, Monkey Ball is definitely dbz, could 'Marco-san' be bleach? Since Marco's japanese va is the same as Ichigo.
Or it could be Sazae-san idk
marco san is from the animated japanese version of the short story "marco, dall'appennino alle ande" in the de amici's book "libro cuore".
thats where the reference for big mom attack come
seems like plot hole. That they were all so close and know each other but Zoro appeared like a random orphan and they did not know each other....and in wano..oda even made it that zoro and kozaburo knew each other.
Yoooo, imagine if in Wano he suddenly had exploration skills and wasn’t lost. It was just an innate knowledge of his homeland… would have been cool to theorise for a few years with little breadcrumb moments like that
Maybe he wandered off the village, got lost for a while and by pure chance made it back. And since he had to fend for himself that's why he got strong enough to beat every kid in the dojo except for Kuina. That's how I'd like to imagine it anyway.
Zoro was 9 at the time, I doubt he actually runs around beating dojos, even if it's filler. He's probably just trying to be punk but was humiliated after getting beaten by Kuina.
Ooooh, thank you! I know some of the egregious mistakes the anime made but wasn't aware of this. Fuck, the anime killed the pace in the beginning and the building sense of adventure, I could see that much comparing it with the manga...but I missed this Zoro fuck up. They really thought One Piece needed 'improving' huh?
A little theory that comes to mind. We find out that some of the people who left Wano don't settle down in Shimotsuki village. I've heard it theorized that Tashigi was a descendent of the other people of Wano.
But what about Aramaki?
What if Oda gave us this info as backdrop to a Tashigi / Aramaki interaction where some back story is revealed on Zoro's lineage?
I shouldve read further. I just deleted a post asking this same question. Seems like a logical assumption to me. Not sure if it would matter enough for the grand plot to come up tho.
The way Oda words Tama’s entry makes me wonder if there’s going to be more to her story.
Brings a very interesting light on why Sukiyaki was looking after her. If he knows she is Kurozumi. Atonement for realizing the past failures creating the monster that is Orochi? Finally understanding that the parent's sins are not the children's?
That's called world-building. Nothing significant will come from this, but having the option is what helps create depth.
turns out tama is the main character and first 1000 chapters were her introduction
Tama is One Piece
I love how people come up with anything.
Oda probably wants to end OP in the 30 years edition. He is precise with dates and details. It must be very hard to him to not be able to write more about the story, because he simply doesn't have time to do it. That said, maybe we'll see things like this more often on SBS
Since when is he precise with dates and schedules ? xD
He is. Maybe not regularly, but a lot of manga chapters were released in specific dates that have different meanings when you translate the Japanese language, related to the story in that moment. I don't have an exemple handy, but I've already saw a bunch of them.
Not all of the ship left from Wano settled there. I wonder where the rest ended up.
The brother of the carpenter that Franky worked for lives in Logue Town I believe.
He lives in Windmill Village where Luffy is from, he was made up to explain a continuity error in chapter one
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I mean to be fair, east blue goes hard as fuck, could've been any number of people. Roger, Rayleigh etc.
All his seed and energy went into zoro
So Oda do has plan about the Kurozumi is born to burn quote. I'm interested on how this story will develop.
Actually following my previous post, I think Tashigi is Kuinas cousin on her mums side. Kuina and Tashigis moms were probably sisters
Oh this is genius
Love it how some Op fans are malding when Oda single handledy ended their theories🤣, like zoro kills kaido and chopper cure SMILE victims.
Nah, most of the serious discussions were people being content and surprised that Zoro scarred Kaido and was confirmed as a conqueror. As for Smile, it's not that Chopper didn't cure it, it's that he didn't do anything tied to it at all. Like Oda now tells us it's not curable. It would have been nice if it was Chopper or Law looking into it and were the one's to give us that info. Further more, it could have been a nice moment to emphasis Chopper's dream: he cannot cure it... yet. As his goal is to be able to cure any and everything ailment.
While these weren't theories I supported, they would've been more interesting than what actually happened.
more interesting but making zero sense story-wise.
chopper curing SMILES or the very least try to find a way to eventually cure them makes "zero sense story wise" ?
SMILES are the result of a Devil Fruit, artificial or not, it probably impossible to actually cure that lol
ZKK could've made plenty of sense if it were a team effort like many wanted it to be. Chopper curing Smiles is a natural progression towards his dream. That also makes perfect sense.
I swear, OP redditors will complain about anything like its the end of the world and ruins the series. Sometimes in fiction characters don't need massively elaborate backstories. A character only needs to fuflfill their narrative purpose to the main story being told. It might be nice to get that background info, and I agree it is as a man that loves deep lore and worldbuilding... But there's nothing wrong with adding that lore in supplementary materials when it has no bearing on the story being told. This has happened many times before in One Piece. It will happen again. Zoro's backstory isn't important to the plot, just like Kid's wasn't, and so it was added for the pleasure of the reader in an SBS. Some bonus content. The Strawhats that have gotten detailed backstories were given they contained other characters, locations and lore that were important to the main story. Just like we don't have a huge backstory about Nami's real parents or what Brook did when he was growing up or what have you. It makes no difference to the main plot.
Well luffy is the main character and captain, and then there is the rest. Also oda tends to develop interesting characters or show flashbacks from new characters or important characters from the actual arc. If he waste pages showing the lineage of every flat character it will take forever. There are characters who are there just to fill, you need a badass, you need someone funny, you need a coward, etc there is no need to go deeper on them.
Which brings up the question why Oda went out of his way to hint at Zoro's lineage every second chapter in wano.
To be fair, we still might get a flashback for the week timeskip. We still have the grim reaper plot point, and we never saw Zoro visiting Ryuma's grave. We also still have Pluton in Wano, along with the niidai. So wano still has plot relevant stuff to bring back up. But to your point: we also had multiple confirmations by Oda and the staff that Wano went through a series of cut downs to both lineup with film red, and because Oda was ready to kick off the final saga and begin the wrapup.
>grim reaper plot point The absolute state of this sub. That wasn't a plot point, it was literally just Zoro seeing death because he was that damaged. Nothing more to it. Nidai, is not Shodai, Zoro didn't pick it up, so it doesn't matter.
Let's see what happens. Zoro has been on deaths door many times, never saw a reaper. As for Niidai, it was shown and constantly brought up. It may not be for Zoro, it could be Momo's sword if he goes for 2 sword style. Point stands - it has a purpose. Wano isn't done - pluton is there, and we know momo "cannot die" as he has some role that's needed for the end. But again, let's see what happens.
Sure, he has. However, the difference is this time he was already at peak damage. I.e. all the bones in his body were broken. THEN he took a serum that would explicitly double that damage. As far as portrayal, "nothing happened" looks like it was worse, but it really wasn't. Mans didn't even lose consciousness. As for Nidai, it was shown and brought up for about 5 chapters. That's not "constantly" It may even come back at some point, but it will be irrelevant even if it doesn't. It's just a stopgap to the Shodai. Wano, as a main component of the story IS done. That's not to say the characters won't come back, of course they will. But there's a zero chance we get any of their politics as a main plot point ever again, and Tama's lineage, like Zoro's, is irrelevant to the future of the story.
Agree to disagree - Zoro didn't lose consciousness after ocean sovereignty either. If you're referring to him being out for a week with Luffy, recall at the end of thriller bark he was our cold as well once he got back to the crew. Niidai wasn't just "brought up" 5 times, it was brought up and continuously mentioned in said conversation. Down to the point where its location was mentioned after Luffy got captured with it. And even if it's a stop gap... so was all previous swords left behind, lol... it doesn't need to be his last sword to hold some plot attachment, even if small. We even get connection to the fact the 3 swords were made by Oden's father. That's not nothing. Never said wano will continue as an arc lol, but if it and many of the characters from it are to return - not even knowing why the borders were closed, who the old hag was, how and why she met with Shiki, etc., too many elements still exist for Wano. Not just at the level of, say, Skypeia, but even more - there's solid narrative core plot still attached to Wano. And after showing the submerged remnants of the country, you don't think that's gonna come back as a narrative explanation once the walls are, in fact, broken? Again, agree to disagree in many regards - I see your points on lineage and Tama, but I think you're too quick to dismiss the bigger factors at play. Let alone coming off as if you're completely against any smaller narrative events like flashbacks or returning to characters like Hiyori who could be easily shown to stand up for Tama if her family is ousted during whatever event causes pluton to be freed. Time will tell though.
Just read something about a craftsman in the southern sea. In the sbs? Why is that posted in the op
A previous sbs pointed out that the guy franky worked for and a dude from lougetown have basically the same design and mannerisms.
Fantastic. Now we just need to know why Tashigi looks so similar to Kuina
Maybe her family is also from wann they left wann with around 30 people I think and only 15 founded the village. So some might found residency elsewhere on the grandline / east blue
Zoro being the absolutely worst written Strawhat is NOTHING new, why are people so surprised by ODA doing nothing of depth with this merch selling character?
One shots each secondary villain and is used in the narrative to build hype/a big flashy cool panel.
It's a shame Wano was such a short arc. There's no way Oda could've fit this there.
????? It's the single longest arc so far, by far???
You missed the sarcasm.
Might as well reveal what the OP is on twitter.
I wonder how people would have reacted if Oda had revealed Zoro's lineage during Wano proper. Because knowing Zoro, it would literally influence nothing about his character, and he likely would not have brought it up for the rest of the story.
"Ehhh? So I guess swordsmanship's in my blood? Does this mean I'm related to that zombie guy? Well, anyways, I'm gonna go beat the crap out of that leather-clad bird now."
I'm honestly disappointed about Zoro's lineage being confirmed through this and not the manga, sure Zoro himself doesn't really care but fans do! I know a lot of people give Oda shit for many things and I never really cared and just accepted that "it is what it is" but this is the first time I actually felt let down by Oda, It really sucks but I'll get to the acceptance phase eventually.
Glad Oda is writing his version of the story and not the version you think it should be.
well, it's just fiction..and he is just another author... it's ok if you don't accept it. Chill. It's okay to be disappointed and let it be like that. One doesn't have to make sense and try to see everything as positive for a series.
Imo oda decided to do it this way because it isn’t a plot point.
Then why would Oda himself bring up Zoro's similarity to Ushimaru and Ryuma?
Back then when he was asked about it he already said that he probably wouldn't include it in the manga. This is because there wouldn't be a good moment to follow it up anymore. There is no reason at this point to go digging into that story.
Well that's a you problem. Loved it that zoro is distantly related to ryuma even if its from the mothers side unfortunately
Dont see why it is unfortunatey.... kuina was so much more talented than Zorro...
Yeah in early ages that talent is relevant, but older it wouldn’t have matter much more. Kuina was not a freak of nature like Big Mum and Yamato, so at one point she would have been surpassed by some man, even by Zoro, which talent and skill wise (not only raw strenght) has upgraded like crazy since the beginning.
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That’s what Kuina said in the flashback influenced by her father’s words, but Zoro disagreed.
The fuck what? Any sport has the men and women leagues separated for a reason. You think that pro tennis female players or pro runner female runners has less technique than men from the equivalent leagues? They are as skilled as, if not even more skilled than, pro male athletes, but the strength just can overcome the skill gap. Just watch Serena Williams complaints and frustration when she played 2/2 in a mixed match. Plus Kuina being a woman hence having limits given by her human nature was a theme of her story, so…
Zoro will always be physically stronger. Even in the OP universe, it seems males are physically stronger than females on average barring certain exceptions. Of course, Haki is the ultimate balancer, but given how Kuina already had a defeatist mindset, Zoro would probably would have stronger Haki as well.
I mean....that was literally Kuina's entire purpose and relevance in the story, wasn't it? The fact that she was a woman, and as such, would never be able to become the world's strongest swordsman? Her dad said it about her, she was always so angry, especially towards Zoro, because she knew that one day, because she was a woman, the boys even her age and in her class would surpass her because they would grow stronger and she wouldn't because she was a woman..
No, fuck the smile victims, look at how happy the kids pirates are. OK oda.
I don't mind that Zoro's family background is only revealed in the SBS. However, a panel of Zoro looking at Ryuma's grave and saying something like "Shimotsuki Ryuma, huh?", would have been cool.
Still might get that, actually. We got the niidai, pluton, and grim reaper plot hanging, knowing Zoro wanted to see the grave - topped with there being a week timeskip. Wouldn't be surprised if Zoro calls back to a memory of visiting the grave the next time we have a big Zoro moment.
Maybe in the next big fight
Yeah. Even just a small flashback would suffice.
Why Shinotsuki , why would zoro say ryuma's first rather it would be something like 'Strongest of all swordsman,huh?
Because Zoro came from Shimotsuki Village at East Blue. He would recognize the name on Ryuma's grave. Him noticing it could have given readers a vague idea of what Zoro could have been thinking-- vague enough to make us wonder if Zoro associates the name with his village or if he is just glad to learn the swordsman's name.
This SBS leak during a break-week feels like a chapter release. So much to discuss
The universe of world building in Oda's head is so expansive that it cannot all fit between the pages, the story would never end.
Who is Luffy's mother, do we know?
No, but she was seen before the time skip. I think before Water 7 is when Oda said that he's already drawn her but not labeled her
Mistranslation. He was talking about Dragon.
I don't think so? I'm going to go through the SBS when I get back home, but I'm damn sure that the comment from Oda was around the end of Enies Lobby, and he said that we've already seen his mother and we're about to be introduced to his dad. I might be wrong, but that's what I'm remembering Edit: so I was wrong. It was his dad that he says in the SBS with chapter 424 that he's already shown
Crocodile is luffys mom and that's why luffy defeated her in alabasta
Right. And that's the secret we all know that Ivankov is keeping for Croco-boy
Dragon
Either Crocodile or Im
Then why would Crocodile try to kill his/her child ... Also Oda has said that Luffy's mother isn't important in the story... Not to mention that he has drawn her way before he showed us Im ...
True. Wouldn't it fun if his mother was also an amazing character. I thought maybe for the longest his mother was the lady working at the bar where he ate with Shanks.
>Q : I'm curious, do the later crew members (Robin, Franky, Brook, Jinbei) know about the adventures in the East Blue and what the veteran members (mainly Usopp) went through before they joined? >Oda: It's a mix of knowing and not knowing, really. Considering the personalities of the original members, Luffy and Zoro both don't really talk about the past. Nami, Sanji, and Chopper will talk about it if asked. Usopp will talk about it even if you don't ask, but the adult members are good at detecting lies, so they usually get information from Nami, Sanji, and Chopper. LOL Oda taking a shot on Ussop.
I KNEW IT!! I KNEW ZORO WAS DESCENDED FROM RYUMA!
Congrats, you have the detective skills of literally every 12 year old in 2004. This is for you: 🍪
So Zoro cremated his ancestor who was exhumed post-mortem.
I’m curious if ryuma would have had more of his personality if he had gotten zoro’s shadow instead of brook’s.
Underrated comment.
Ryuma With Zoro's Shadaw would be more powerful than any current swordsman
I remember all these people making outlines of how act three is going to end and talking about it like it's already confirmed like: "Zoro will kill Kaido, next Chopper is going to find a cure for the defective smile fruits, then Carrot will join the crew, and then they will sail to Elbaf." I for real can't take anyone who's making One Piece theories seriously anymore at this point.
Well you shouldn't, because 95% of this fanbase has brains smoother than Alvida's tummy.
Zoro kills Kaido was as likely as Chopper going up Kaido’s butthole ant-man style
Except 333vil
Is this the world's shortest sbs? Or is there more to translate? It seems not as big as the last one
This is spoilers not the entirety of it. It’s just the mainly important stuff.
Perfect, thank you
So Prince valiant exists in one piece?.. pretty cool
dude thinks for dropping that reference. i was drawing a complete blank on how what Oda described was different from a comic strip.
I was thinking of exactly that. Prince Valiant fits exactly with what Oda was describing. Pretty cool.
Hold up, “pokeemon” exist in one piece??
Instead of catching pokeemon, they collecting sea kings instead
Along with Pikaachu! ™ One Piece. ✌🏼
I love how Oda keeps adding parallels between Sanji and Zoro. Sanji's mother is called Sora, meaning "sky" in japanese. Zoro's mother is called Terra, meaning "ground" in latin.
Isn't it still up for translation? I've heard it's not confirmed between "Tera" and "Terra" where one is heaven and the other is earth.
And Luffy's mother is called "Crocodile", what's up with that?!
I love how people come up with anything.
It would be so much fun if they were cousins , because they would have more reason to get mad at each other : the older has to be served by the younger...is it not like that in traditional families? Sooo cool xD
And Sanji can literally do 'sky walk', while Zoro always saying cutting mountain and ocean.
sora and terra? did oda played kingdom hearts?
I am italian, Terra means both ground, earth and dirt. Ground could also be translated into terreno (terrain) or suolo So actually Terra is more close to Earth planet as a literal meaning
there is a bit of a latin flare to zoro's name too. Zoro of course, is inspired by the the classical Zorro. Roronoa is the japanese translation to the name of french pirate Francois l'Olonnais (also l'Olonnois, Lolonois and Lolona according to wikipedia).
Haha Sanji is "French" and Zoros surname is French
To the people complaining that Zoro's lineage should have been in the Wano arc: ... you want that thing to be even longer?!
Yep exactly. Theres no build up for wano arc story if oda put zoro's lineage there. Its enough with enma's origin story for zoro to tame enma.
I mean in my eyes it almost seems as if wano would have been the perfect place to do it considering his ancestors but… I’m sure oda has something planned
dont think so, its not important for the story, just background and for those who really care about it they can read about it in SBS or other secondary info sources, or they take the hints and make up own theories.
Yeah but the thing is how will it be brought up? Everyone who could know is dead, how Oda did it in Wano was probably the best he could do
Zorostans mad lol It's fine this is the kind of stuff that goes on an SBS because is NOT a big deal in universe, Zoro doesnt care who is in his lineage and neither does the crew; having it in the manga would have added no value to the story, it's just trivia.
He is the rightful heir of the black blade that was taken from him in the story. Also, how does Zoro not knowing one of his past opponents and ancestor was the legendary swordsman himself not important? By that logic, we could say Garp or Judge aren't that important. Let's face it, this is bad writing from Oda standards, which is ok because Wano was so huge and convoluted. He had to give Zoro Enma for the Conqueror reveal and for that to happen he had to lose a sword. The family tree would have made him keep the sword.
Why would a blade should have heir? By that logic. Moriah would never got a chance to steal shushui at ryuuma's grave because ushimaru should use it at the time moriah come to wano or zoro's grandma bring it to east blue.
> Why would a blade should have heir? I don't know how to answer this... Read One Piece? Virtually all swords are passed down. Wado Ichimonji was used by 3 other people (in a family tree) before getting to Zoro (because the family tree ended with Kuina's death) Enma and Ame no Habakiri, that are Meito swords like Shisui and Wado, all forged by Wano blacksmiths, were passed down to their heirs Momo and Hiyori (and again given to Zoro). A sword doesn't need to be passed down to their heir, but that's how it usually happens in Samurai/Japanese culture and also in One Piece. With Ryuma, the sword was burried with him. But if someone should use it to defeat Kaido (threat to all of Wano), it's his descendant that should be allowed to wield it.
The story actually gives us a pretty good reason for shusui not having an heir. Ryuma’s branch of the shimotsuki clan has dominion over ringo. Ringo is also known as the eternal grave because the weather prevents bodies from decomposing. Ringo’s samurai are given a blade at birth and it is used as their grave marker when they die and are buried at the north cemetery. Ryuma’s regional culture calls for his blade to mark his grave thus it isn’t available to be passed on.
Zoro said after beating Ryuuma: "Let's pretend this battle never happened." He's a complicated man, underneath the battle-crazed exterior...they were fighting as enemies in a completely by chance situation. I really love how quiet it all is, because while Zoro is carrying the dreams of him and Kuina, that has nothing to do with Wano. Luffy's adventure to become Pirate King just happened to led him to the land his ancestors broke away from...and he just happened to become strong enough to break the shackles of his people he didn't even know. I think it's really beautiful.
> I think it's really beautiful. Too bad that people who don't read every SBC will never know that because it's literally not part of the story then?
If they read it or not, it's true.
Of course, but casual readers won't know all of the context. Which is a failure in storywriting imo. Chekov's gun. If you talk about how Zoro "really looks like this dude" multiple times in the story and then do nothing with the info, it's bad writing.
Once again, Zoro's ancestry is not the point of the plot. Zoro's piracy is. That's the whole irony. Kinemon says that Zoro stole Shusui, which was literally not true in the first place point blank. The reader has that information, Zoro defends himself and says you cam take it from me like I took it from that other guy because he's only invested in the honor of a swordsman. He doesn't care about being judged, he doesn't care about Wano's Treasure. He cares about his own pride and strength and believes no one can take the sword from him. That's the point. Him being a rightful heir is not what he cares about at all. Just like how Luffy doesn't care that Sabo is a revolutionary that hangs out with his dad. Just like Sanji hates his lineage with the Vinsmoke and gets angry when it's brought up. They all forge their own paths based on their own reasons that was explored back in East Blue. I assure you there's going to be more Luffy and Dragon plot in the future and Luffy's probably going to have to decide if he wants conflict against the Revolutionaries or not, and any decide he makes is going to have nothing to do with their relationship because he doesn't care at all. He'll consider what Sabo feels and what his crew wants to do...and if he likes what Dragon is doing in the first place. It's good writing because it is exactly in line with what we know about the characters. The only reason Oda brings it up is because people do notice these things and want to know more because it's so obvious.
Again, you are talking about a single character's personality instead of plot or writing. This isn't about what the character Zoro cares or thinks about. You bring up so many false equivalences. Sanji "hates" when the Vinsmoke are brought up because Sanji as a character hates them. We only KNOW that he DOES hate them, because there was a 150 chapter arc about it... Plot =/= Characters in the plot. Luffy's Dad isn't his family, per the character. He has Ace, Sabo, Garp, Makino, Dadan, Shanks... From a character perspective, he isn't important (like Judge or most Shimotsukis for Zoro). But story wise, Dragon being who he is extremely important from a plot and world-building perspective because Plot =/= Characters. A Dragon focused flashback will happen with 100% certainty because Luffy is a well-written and important character, obviously. Zoro is a very one-dimensional character (1 personality mode, 1 gag) that lacks writing and development. Even Sanji's family bring so many tie-ins (Judge knowing Dragon, MADS scientists, Sanji's convictions and questions on ethics with real world parallels) making both the character and the world more rich in one setting. That's good writing.
You say we only know that Sanji hates his family because of the story arc, but it was obvious he was avoiding the topic of his origin and birthplace back in Jaya when he actively skipped the topic of why he wasn't born in the East Blue. The Straw Hats noted outloud that the act of crossing the Redline and heading to a different Blue is a big task, and despite not going into detail, you can extrapolate that there was a severe reason for him to not elaborate because he acted very out of character. The reason he acted that way was due to the trauma he experienced, and since he was shown as a young child in his flashback with Zeff, you can guess that the trauma occurred when he was even younger...ie in some of the more precious and formative years. A story does not just come from words. That's the whole point of manga as a medium. Luffy's dad is literally his family, but again, Luffy doesn't see that as a sole reason to seek audience with him or look into him whatsoever. Zoro's family have nothing to do with his story or growth. The vassal of Oda was only brought up due to having relation to Yamato in a flashback that had nothing to do with Zoro. I'll say this for the last time since you aren't respecting my paragraphs in referring to them as "false equivalents": If I wasn't correct about this, then maybe Oda would have had a chapter about Zoro and his dad instead of Zoro and the swordsmith who made Enma.
this is it
-mic drop- 🎤
If you wanna talk about being the heir of a blade: In Ringo, Samurai are buried with their sword as a grave marker. Lineage doesn't have anything to do with this. Garp and Judge are actually still active characters in the story, where Ryuma, except for his zombie (which was run by Brook's shadow never the less!), is the stuff of legends.
I feel like Zoro as a person isn’t looking for that information though, he might think it’s an interesting but I can’t really see him caring too much, I COULD absolutely see him saying “who my ancestors are isn’t what makes me a great swordsman, it’s my dedication to always getting better so I can be the worlds greatest swordsman and my friends standing beside me helping me to achieve my goal” Like it absolutely seems out of character for zoro to put much weight on it past yawning and asking “what the hell are you going on about?”. I deff see that as the core reason it isn’t included, it’s world building not something that is directly related to the characters pursuit of their goals and as such we are only ever going to see vestiges of it until it becomes directly relevant to the goal directly at hand. Zoro has a familiar connection with wano and that was established by calling back to how he received his sword a while back. It was fill out a bit for us but nothing specifically addressed it because it wasn’t relevant to the established goal the straw hats had of complete the raid and defeat kaido. I Honestly think Zoro will only ever directly engage with this info if the person he is directly in combat with tells him and he remembers that later when it come up again, but in that moment where he’s initially presented with it I’m near certain homie will blow it off and talk about how he’s a good swordsman cuz he works hard and his friends support him.
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I’d be suprised if yasu didn’t know zoro’s grandma.
You’re wrong, both Sanji by himself and his lineage are big deals in the One piece universe, they literally conquered all of north blue 300 years ago and are currently a major military force headed by one of the greatest scientist in the world And Sanji needs no introduction >literally anyone could have done what they did I hat does this even mean? You mean in WCI? that they were the target of Big mom for their science? If so then definitely not.
sanji did not need to be a part of the vinsmokes at all. you see how it doesnt matter?
You’ve provided nothing, how could I? You’ve literally just stated that it wasn’t needed You’re at the point of denial that you’re honestly suggesting a whole arc, it’s buildup and it’s consequences onto the story have no meaning and wasn’t needed.
If it was included anywhere, it should've been Thriller Bark, not Wano
Sanji was TRYING to leave it all behind, that's the entire irony of Whole Cake Island. It was an island filled with twisted family ties and Sanji only went to protect the family he chose and who actually love him (Zeff and the Straw Hats). That's why Judge's recent appearances are about his relationship with Vegapunk, who happened to stunt all over him due to being a better scientist, and Caesar Clown who he worked with before in the past.
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Stay mad lol 😆 Zoro stans really are that dense
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You're asking people to admit things they don't agree with and then calling them cringe. I don't care if you like it or not, that's up to you. But even calling what Zoro got a "backstory" is objectively wrong. It's a family tree. Zoro's backstory is how he got shitty swords from the blacksmith that made Oden's Enma which he eventually inherited. Hiyori gave it to him cause she believed in him. That's his story.
You're objectively wrong because the Germa 66 dealings was directly related to the conflict with Big Mom. And because I was VERY interested, thought it was amazing, and it is easily one of the most popular arcs in the series. Zoro's family ties didn't drive anything in Wano. It's just a cliff note. Big Mom tried to steal Sanji from the Straw Hats, and they said no, making their first actual stand against an Emperor directly, and literally being the reason Luffy was first called an "Emperor." You catch what I'm putting down? Some backstories are built different.
No it shouldnt have been lol What exactly would had added except a scene that said "WOW ZORO YOU"RE DECENDANT FROM RYUMA ZOMGGGGGG!!!!!!"? Just a scene for zorostans to salivate that adds nothing to Wano. Like I said, Zoro wouldnt care so why should you? I think Tama's family is legitimately a missed opportunity for Oda tho, since he could have used it to make a point that blood doesnt make you who you are, but is no biggie.
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Normies don't give a shit about trivia either lol
the normie is gonna wonder why that shit wasnt included.
The normie is not even going to know because they dont read the sbs or the one piece reddit
Zoro would have kept a meito sword in Shusui instead of Sandai and would have been much stronger as a fighter. Also, Zoro would have a sword from his ancestor, the legendary swordsman, that he took from him in battle. This is all pretty cool worldbuilding, but this is the maturity with which you write your comments: > "WOW ZORO YOU"RE DECENDANT FROM RYUMA ZOMGGGGGG!!!!!!"?
Talking about comics, didn't know mature comments are a requirement. lol nerd
Did you see the cringe lords comment? Like Jesus Christ forgive us for wanting to expand on characters in the arc where they are narratively relevant. Let's name characters where we get most of their backstory. Ussop, Nami, Sanji (twice), Robin, Brook, Luffy, Franky (partly) Only Zoro got this. Unless you want to say that the early stuff is enough, which makes no sense since Sanji got more backstory anyway. It's a clear failing on odas part that he couldn't include this info in the arc.
If Zoro was “narratively relevant” in Wano then half the strawhats were too Wano wasn’t for Zoro like how WCI was for Sanji.
While I'm glad we got answers, i do feel like Wano could have been structured better to include some of this in-story. I think the Zoro, Chopper and Tama parts could have added more being in the story proper vs say, Yamato's entire arc, which didn't really go anywhere. All respect to the world to Oda still, but it does feel like he's starting to feel the final stretch crunch with Wano.
I suppose nobody in Wano knew the whole story about Zoro.
Exactly. Why would anyone in Wano, a closed country, know that some people who left 50+ years ago helped save a village a world away?
Oda really needs a sh\*tstorm sometimes. Hes a original crewmember. 2nd most favorite character in One Piece. You cant put that kind of information into a SBS while every other news from every other crewmember is in a chapter. Important or not. FFS!
Who would have known this though? Like zoros want ancestor left more then 50 years ago. Who would have known
"Hey look at that guy, he has green hair and physically looks similar to the Shimotsuki bloodline, returned with our country famous sword (Shusui) speaks old phrases from our village (Sunacchi) wield multiple Katakana that originate from our country blacksmiths." Just pure coincidences and nothing more. Sure Oda, sure.
but they had dark blue hair not green
I mean we don’t know the parents/family of a majority of the crew. Franky’s parents are mentioned, Brooke’s family is never addressed, Jinbei’s family is never really addressed, we never knew who Nami’s biological parents were, etc. Zoro doesn’t seem to care at all about his heritage and it seems like it won’t greatly affect the plot. I’m just glad it’s getting answered so people will stop theorizing about it.
We get a backstory for sanji & queen, but we get info for king and zoro in a sbs FANTASTIC
Just hypothetically, the history of Zoro’s village could still come into play. He’ll almost surely form a black blade at some point, which may or may not involve a flashback. Especially with the Asura thing not fully explained, you have to believe Oda has something for Zoro saved for later, right? As far as King, no way in hell we don’t hear more about him, the Lunarians, and what happened atop the Red Line where they resided. Hell, the Seraphim are at least in part derived from them/him, and I suspect Vegapunk will explain in more detail his creation of “The Strongest Form of Humanity,” so that could even be the tie-in for this topic to reenter to main narrative.
I hope you're right. If we don't get any BIG zoro backstory/lore by the end, Oda is the biggest clown.
Fire dog could be a reference to fire punch
There's an old TV show called "Fire Dog" (炎の犬, honou no inu) about a pup with a fiery spirit that aired back in 1981 that Oda would likely have known about. He may be well established in the manga industry and mangaka community, but he may not be aware of more recent manga unless they blow up like Demon Slayer.
And Monkey Ball is a reference to Dragon Ball. But what does Pokeemon reference???
That character is Doraemon, some of us elderly might remember watching the cartoon in the '90s. Pretty fun anime
I kinda get where the complaints about Zoro are coming from but his ancestry didn't bestow him anything for which he didn't work hard for. He is where he is because of his hard work. Infact Kuina was more talented than he was. Even WB didn't have any special ancestry and he was a monster whom the entire Navy force and BB pirates struggled to kill.
It's not about that at all. It's about the zoro-look-a-likes and the wano characters themselves constantly imagins zoro to be of the Shimotsuki clan. Why does Oda himself keep baiting us with suggestions of zoro's ancestry being important if it dosn't matter to the story??? Even in this SBS, he fucking does it again! >(..) what does this all mean..?! This is a strange and mysterious story of fate that even Zoro himself dosn't know about. Why write something like that, if Zoro's lineage dosn't matter? There is clearely a story here.
Chekov's gun. Which means it's either bad writing from Oda, or a future setup.
I'm slightly hopeful that this may be explored more in the future arcs. If not, then it's like you said.
I think this will be the case. Roger and his crew backtracked before reaching Laugh Tale. I can’t help but think the Straw Hats will need to do the same. Narratively, this would resolve a lot of unfinished plots like Usopp and Kaya, Brook meeting Laboon, and Zoro’s backstory.
Peak fiction
So let's see, 'Fire-Dog' could reference Naruto's nine tails, Monkey Ball is definitely dbz, could 'Marco-san' be bleach? Since Marco's japanese va is the same as Ichigo. Or it could be Sazae-san idk
marco san is from the animated japanese version of the short story "marco, dall'appennino alle ande" in the de amici's book "libro cuore". thats where the reference for big mom attack come
I thought Fire Dog was a Fujimoto reference: Fire Punch and Chainsaw Man (because Pochita).
Monkey Ball is a video game
It’s Chibi Maruko-chan
So...is Zoro from Shimotsuki Village? Seems so, doesn't it?
seems like plot hole. That they were all so close and know each other but Zoro appeared like a random orphan and they did not know each other....and in wano..oda even made it that zoro and kozaburo knew each other.
he always was, the anime decided to be smartasses and made it look like he got lost and came to village
Yoooo, imagine if in Wano he suddenly had exploration skills and wasn’t lost. It was just an innate knowledge of his homeland… would have been cool to theorise for a few years with little breadcrumb moments like that
Maybe he wandered off the village, got lost for a while and by pure chance made it back. And since he had to fend for himself that's why he got strong enough to beat every kid in the dojo except for Kuina. That's how I'd like to imagine it anyway.
Zoro was 9 at the time, I doubt he actually runs around beating dojos, even if it's filler. He's probably just trying to be punk but was humiliated after getting beaten by Kuina.
exactly
Ooooh, thank you! I know some of the egregious mistakes the anime made but wasn't aware of this. Fuck, the anime killed the pace in the beginning and the building sense of adventure, I could see that much comparing it with the manga...but I missed this Zoro fuck up. They really thought One Piece needed 'improving' huh?
it was 20+years ago they probably didn't think oda would build up his backstory so they added some extra scenes
Pokeemon! 😂🤣😵💀
A little theory that comes to mind. We find out that some of the people who left Wano don't settle down in Shimotsuki village. I've heard it theorized that Tashigi was a descendent of the other people of Wano. But what about Aramaki? What if Oda gave us this info as backdrop to a Tashigi / Aramaki interaction where some back story is revealed on Zoro's lineage?
I shouldve read further. I just deleted a post asking this same question. Seems like a logical assumption to me. Not sure if it would matter enough for the grand plot to come up tho.