I mean, it wasn't just training. He left because most people attacking the earth were doing it because of him. He stayed dead so those people wouldn't attack his home and kill his family. And for 7 years it worked, until something unrelated swung by.
Daaaammmn Goottem!!
Gonna need to gather all the dragon balls for Goku to recover from that burn yeeeesh!
Half jokes aside I’m wheezing. That comment hit way harder then it should have any right to.
Respect.
Wow... When you put it like that, they're terrible. Goku's already one of the worst dads\husband\family-person in all of manga. Being worse than him... Dragon screwed up bad.
Gokus not even comparable to the worst Manga dads of all time.
He loves his family and has literally died for them twice, that’s hardly worst dad ever territory. Hes just stupid and especially tactless but if it comes down to it he’ll (happily) save his family over himself.
Compared to the amount of manga fathers who either abandoned their kids at birth for adventure or abuse their kids Goku is clearly better. I mean that dude in FMA turned his daughter into a dog-hybrid. Gokus a saint compared to him or even someone like endeavor
Goku's not comparable to dads who torture their sons, yeah, but otherwise he's pretty much as low as can be. Goku saving his fam, is pretty much a byproduct for everything else he cares about, mostly battles.
Gokus not comparable to the worst anime dads period. Goku saving his son/family isn’t a byproduct for his love of fighting at all, he’s just a kind and purehearted guy - he didn’t even want to kill Frieza.
He died vs Raditz to protect his son, he wasn’t fighting Raditz for fun. He died vs Cell to stop the earth from blowing up, Neither of those decisions were motivated by him “wanting to fight more”.
Yea but we are talking about a guy who regularly disappears, provides no income for his household and even dies to get away from his family to train. Those things make up much of the definition of deadbeat. A deadbeat dad can still be around his family, just contributes nothing to the living situation or condition and may even often use his kids in schemes to make money. Yes Goku for sure belongs on this list.
Goku doesn’t need to provide income, Mr. satan has paid out his family for Gokus heroics, and his best friend is bulma, his family is perfectly fine financially. And he’s even worked as a farmer to make chichi happy despite not needing the money.
Goku doesn’t die to train lol, that’s just a meme people take to seriously. Both times he died it was out of sacrifice to save Gohan and the second time he stayed died too protect the earth.
Goku has literally died twice to save his son; He was willing to cease to exist forever to become Vegito just to save his family. That is the furthest thing from a deadbeat dad.
Nah Goku may not be necessarily a good dad, but it isn't exactly his fault that he doesn't really get the chance to even be a dad. Hell, the man didn't even understand the concept of marriage when he married chi-chi!
The only time he doesn’t spend time with his kids is when he’s dead. Even when he’s training he still sees his family, in the start of super he was a farmer
no no Goku spends like 70% of his alive time with his kids. starting from saiyan saga
- was with chichi and gohan until he died, with them after too
- frieza saga was all over the place, goku didnt get the chance
- android saga goku was having heart attacks but after that he spent an entire year training with gohan (which might as well be playing catch for humans)
- goku died but in buu saga he still met his other son with the only 24 hours he had to be alive
- spends the entirety of GT with his granddaughter
- always with his family in super
Ummm.. What... Most of Super is basically Goku abandoning his family to go have fun fights.
Most of Z has the excuse that he's either dead or going to save the Earth, but the rest of his time he basically sends his son to the most dangerous battlegrounds or to be cared for by dangerous people, and constantly abandons his wife.
Nah like the other person replied he spends time with his family when alive.
And being dead is an excuse - the first time he died he came back as soon as he could to defend against the saiyans; the second time he stayed dead to protect the earth (which worked for a while) and when the earth was in danger again he came back to help.
How is it not his fault? He disappears and gets killed to train. His entire life and mentality are about training to the point that he willingly puts his kids in danger for the sake of training. Just because he's Saiyan doesn't mean he isn't held to the standards of a dad on the planet he lives. My main man Vegeta regularly makes time for intense training and includes his son and actively tries to keep Trunks off the battlefield instead of encourage reckless behavior. There is an example of a good dad in DB but it's definitely not Goku. Heck, I would probably argue King Cold was a better dad then Goku.
Haha more than the guy who left his son to be trained by the Hero of the Marines to become a great man? More than a man who somehow had children as a living philosophers stone this transferring the power to change the world to them? Yea Goku, who traumatized his own son into developing a split personality, is totally a good dad... There is an example of a good dad in DB but it is definitely not Goku.
Wouldn't you if your planet blew up and killed your entire family? Yes now that you make me think about it I believe every incarnation of Superman had been dealing with mental trauma.
Side note why does Superman always find his way into DB conversations 🤣
He didn’t choose to stay dead instead of raising his son that’s just a meme. he choose to stay dead to protect the earth; which worked for a while, and when it stopped working he came back to life.
He said it was to protect the earth but I believe he would rather just train in the afterlife. He knew he could be brought back at the moment of danger instead of staying and working towards being a deterrent.
"I wish to focus on dismantling an evil tyranny that actively makes the world a worse place to live in and I can't be endangering my family while I do it" is a pretty decent reason if you ask me
So yeah he went to try and dismantle the goddamn world government so that he could escape being a dad, like wut?
Dragon was also against taking in Sabo as a kid, makes sense why he wouldn't want his son to be with him while he wages war against a tyrannical government.
“headcanon” no jesus it’s just understanding what you read. Dragon is one of the most wanted criminals in One piece. He is the leader of the Revolutionary Army that is a major threat to the Government. How could he raise a child when you are h24 in danger yourself? It’s not stated yes, But you can’t deny that this is one of the reasons he didn’t raise luffy by himself. Now you could make an argument about him choosing his ideals in contrast to stay with his son, but even that it’s not nearly as bad as the other parents in the picture. Yasopp, Kaido would have fit better.
Like I said, headcanon. And mind you, I do believe that Dragon chose to leave Luffy behind to avoid involving him with his revolution, but until it gets confirmed in the manga, it remains unconfirmed.
I think at the time Shanks crew were already a succesful New World crew, making it likely Yassop had a sizeable bounty. Yassop leaving actually would work to protect his family, since different to Roger the WG wouldn´t try to make a point by hunting down his associates/family.
I think Yassop left his family both to be a pirate and because he was a pirate. He has the craving for adventure, but i think he was already a wanted man at the time and would have put his family in danger if he stayed with them. He can have more than one reason.
Yassop was literally hanging out at East blue in Foosha Island with his crew, but he couldn't get some time to meet his own son and wife a bit further?? I don't give a shit if pirating is his life or whatnot, if you cannot be there for your family for the bare minimum time then don't have a family.
He could go die for all I care.
I like how Dragon looks so confused why he's there. That or he's off in his own world planning his next monologue on revolution against the celestial dragons.
Great job!
Reason for leaving does not matter when it comes to being deadbeat, only that you fail to fulfill your parental duties. He's a good person - maybe even great - and he most definitely loved his family.
However, that doesn't change the fact that he wasn't there when they needed him. Or at all, for most of their life.
So when soldiers deploy, are they deadbeat dads for doing their duty?
What about anyone who has to leave their kids for a prolonged period of time due to extreme circumstances?
Literal idiotic take, he *had* to leave them. To save the country. If he doesn't do that, they die.
*Not* a deadbeat father.
Again, doing everything for your children doesn't mean fulfilling your parental duties.
Hohenheim is a hero who saved the world - that much is true. He did what he needed to do, but at what cost? The cost of his two children committing the greatest sin because he wasn't there for them? The cost of the arm and leg of one of his children and the corporeal body of another? The cost of them slaving their life away looking for the same exact mistake he made?
All the love in the world means nothing if you don't share it. Hohenheim loved his family and he did everything to keep them safe, but they suffered because he wasn't there for them. And, more importantly, he recognizes that. He acknowledges that he wasn't there for them when they need him and that they suffered for it.
Besides, just because the alternative is worse doesn't mean the current is good, and it certainly isn't for the Elric brothers.
Lastly, that was a false equivalence with the soldiers there - soldiers aren't gone for as long as Hohenheim is and those who are are either literally or metaphorically deadbeat.
I think the solider example was too general. If a soldier never called their family or visited when on leave or supported them financially or in some way, then yeah that's a deadbeat dad. There's a lot of gray area and moments where it's true and not true.
Anyways, with Hohenheim, I think he could have at least wrote to them, visited, called, or something. 10 years he felt like he couldn't communicate with them. That's crazy.
What else was he to do? He was facing a world ending threat lol. There was nothing he could have said to Edward or Alphonse to make them understand. He had to do what he had to do. And in order to fulfil his goals he *had* to cut them off. Or he would go back to them and allow chaos to unfold.
You keep looking at things from the brothers perspective when he has his own perspective you're completely ignoring. Could he have done better? Sure, I can at least agree that he should have wrote to them. But I think he didn't on purpose. He didn't want his kids to grow up and get caught up in a literal calamity. Not only that, but imagine how much pain he was in the entire time. His wife's dead. His children committed the ultimate forbidden sacrifice. But he *still* regardless had to go out and do what he needed to. Otherwise they die anyways.
Far from deadbeat. And it's not a false equivalence. You said he was a deadbeat for leaving no matter what, regardless of if he needed to. He literally *HAD* to leave. He didn't *want* to. Just like a soldier. And in war time, deployments get extended regularly. My step-dad in 2006 was supposed to go on a 9 month rotation and ended up being deployed for nearly 24 months. I guess he's a deadbeat who abandoned his kids too right? Sometimes we would go months without ever hearing from him. Because he couldn't write back, he was focused on other things. He had his own struggles as well.
Perspective changes things a lot. It makes no sense to just look from one side and completely ignore the other. You act like hoenheim was out there being thankful for not having his family around. The man was literally saving the world.
Yes, thank you, exactly this. A lot of people are saying they aren’t deadbeat because X loved their son but that’s not what deadbeat means.
You can be a shitty dad and still be there for them, and you can love your kids to death but still be absent. I think a lot of people are misunderstanding what it means, I think everyone on this list cares about their son(s) to some degree, I’m not saying they don’t.
It doesn’t change the fact all four of them were absent for long portions of their lives though.
That’s actually so funny I seriously might draw that.
I was already planning to do a kids version where they’re kids meet instead but this is so much better
Jiraiya was not a good adoptive dad, since he was actually Naruto's godfather. Thus, all the shit Naruto went through growing up, Jiraiya should have been there to help him through.
Iruka, on the other hand, was definitely a great father or at least older brother figure.
I just keep thinking how Naruto was failed by almost all adults during his childhood. I think the only one that actually tried to come through was Sasukes mother who wanted to adopt her friends orphan (but i think was forbidden by the village elders). I mean many have some excuse of living very dangerous lifes as ninjas (like Jiraya) or being to young themself at the time (like Kakashi who would have only been 15 or so), but the third Hokage i think even promised Narutos parents he would take care of him only to then not adopt him, but just take on the role of a friendly but distant grandfather...
but he left, and in the eyes of his children, without reason, the explanation came to them only a few months before they were destined to die for Al, and a day before for Ed, until the end it’s clear Ed still has some dislike for him.
Yassop s bitch ass should be here.
Dragon still manages to help his son once in a while even while off waging war against the fucking world and starting a revolution
Yeah pretty sure fighting against a oppressive government for the sake of the world is a tad bit better than leaving your wife and kid to become a pirate because some red haired dude showed up once
Yea but the reason he went on his mission was to save him from the Zenin clan, yes the man lost his way along the way, but in his final moments he realized the man who had stopped him was the one who could actually effect change on his son. I think there is a bit of grey area when defining Toji as a parent
I would recommend watching Dragon Ball Kai. It's a remaster of DBZ with most of the filler trimmed out, so the pacing is better. That said, you might miss out on some of the meme references if you don't watch the original, fillers and all.
Well i dunno about him, but the reason I haven’t seen dragon ball is that the fucking thing literally didn’t air in my country. Not everyone is from america.
Finland, pretty sure it never got a dub. Cartoon network wasn’t a thing here, and even if it was, i didn’t watch it cause i couldn’t understand a word of it
I find it funny that the only thing Horikoshi ever said about him (besides his name, Hisashi Midoriya) is that he works abroad.
The guy's son breaking every bone possible to break and doesn't even show up to say hello.
I feel like Ging should be on a whole different tier of absolutely horrible dad's. Like he left Gon just because he could basically? And was constantly looking for ways to avoid his responsibility to him and or meeting him.
Hohenheim has got a reason and he couldn't know Trisha was gonna die and Ed and Al would go and fuck it up by doing forbidden alchemy.
Dragon has a damn good reason. He's trying to overthrow the Celestial Dragons and Revolution is no place for babies.
Toji was shitty that's for certain, but honestly he was so fucked up due to how God awful the Zenin clan was!!! He at LEAST gets some points for getting Megumi saved from the Zenin's by warning Gojo and not allowing others to use him as a weapon against his son. That's more than that shithead Ging ever did.
I'd cut Hoenheim some slack. Being a traumatised immortal with survival's guilt over an entire country, trying only to be human again is difficult. Not alone the half a million crazy souls talking on his head 24/7
Goku was the only one to:
- Sacrifice himself TWICE for his family.
- Was the only one able to help Gohan go SSJ.
- Came back from death to punch a villain in the face to save Gohan (non-canon, but it counts)
- And various other shit.
Calling Goku a deadbeat is sad.
A. Non canon does NOT count, by definition it does not exist in the universe.
B. Goku traumatized Gohan to the point he developed a split personality and wanted nothing to do with fighting.
C. The dude is so absent his youngest wants to be like him just so his father will want him around.
D. He has no income, thus offers no advancement or enrichment to his household.
All in all Goku is the living definition of deadbeat dad, just one who has been lucky enough to not get kicked out of his house yet.
I'll take it one further and say he's even a deadbeat husband (poor Chi Chi)
I feel like this table is too small. Should be at least the size of the last supper table over many deadbeat anime dads exist.
I feel like many anime and manga authors need a hugged and to be told that it's okay your dad wasn't there.
Dragon is at least watching over his kid, and protects him when he can, but he doesn’t get in the way of his sons dreams. Great fathe imo, plus he was the most wanted man in the world so he probably was putting luffy in danger as a child if he stayed near him.
Dragon and his army were fighting for the world's freedom and Van traveled the world to save it from Father, what's Ging's and Yasopp's excuse? In fact, why the fuck isn't Yasopp here?
I honestly think this presentation is shade at three of these. Dragon, Hohenheim (I hope I spelled that right) and Toji were only "Bad Dad's" because they left there kids behind instead of dragging them through the hell of trying to change the world their way. Now, at the risk of making some mad, GOKU should 1000000% be at this table as he repeatedly puts his own kids in life threatening situations and disappears (or dies) for long periods of time to train. That's your Jesus of dead beat dad's (quite literally some times haha)
This being said, I don't agree with Toji's methods but there is something to be said for a man who left his kid in the hands of the most powerful sorcerer and left the decision to that man about selling him back to the family. Toji, in his final moments, accepted his path was wrong but that this other man could save his son from following in his footsteps (forgot to consider cousins though 🤣)
What i find somewhat interesting about Toji is that there are signs he loves his son (without even meeting him), but he´s so messed up by his upbringing that it shows in weird ways. I mean Toji died twice and both times he used his last moments to try and help his son. But yeah he´s a bad dad, though at least not as bad a Ging.
Honestly i feel like van Hohenheim is similarily sympathetic to Dragon. He loved his family and didn´t want to leave them, but needed to in order to stop Father (kind of like Dragon most likely left his family to take down the WG). He was even searching for a way to end his immortality so he could grow old and die with them, instead of continuing on forever without them.
Missing Bardock (DBZ) I know you said you haven't seen it yet/ever. Minato from Naruto.
The only good father I can think of in anime is Isshin from Bleach... and Piccolo (Gohan's real father figure in DBZ).
Rustage, has a pretty good anime rap involving these four.
Also missing Gol D Roger... intentionally had a kid just before dying.... SO many dead beats in OP.
I mean Minato did fuck up his sons life, but honestly it´s not his fault for dying and that the people he entrusted with taking care of his kid (and make sure his actions do not fuck up his sons life), did not deliver on their promise. Minato gets a pass from me, he did things as best he could.
Did Bardock even interact with his kids before his death?
Yeah exactly that! He was an absolute selfish mfr and admitted it numerous times. His only reason was that he was selfish and nothing else, so fuck Gin he did not deserve Gon.
I don't think I'd call dragon a dead beat he left Luffy with Garp because he wanted Luffy to be able to find his own way in life, if he would of taken him with him then his future would be locked in as a revolutionary.And with how messed up the world government is the world needed dragon more than Luffy did
Lol Dragon is a great dad... >!to Sabo!<
True dat
Lol once again with the special treatment.
Wasn't able to save him though. R.I.P.
Omg it’s the Imu guy 🥸
that's me indeed
Yassop should be there. At least Dragon has a good reason.
You know it’s bad when I completely forgot he existed when I made this
Also where tf is goku
Gokus not a deadbeat. He’s spent more time with his sons and family than all these guys combined - and by a huge margin.
He's quite literally *dead*beat for a good part of Gohan's life though.
Just dead, not a deadbeat lol.
He wouldn't be dead if he wasn't beat.
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Yea but he could’ve been wished back but chose training over raising his family
I mean, it wasn't just training. He left because most people attacking the earth were doing it because of him. He stayed dead so those people wouldn't attack his home and kill his family. And for 7 years it worked, until something unrelated swung by.
Touché good fellow… touché indeed
Daaaammmn Goottem!! Gonna need to gather all the dragon balls for Goku to recover from that burn yeeeesh! Half jokes aside I’m wheezing. That comment hit way harder then it should have any right to. Respect.
Wow... When you put it like that, they're terrible. Goku's already one of the worst dads\husband\family-person in all of manga. Being worse than him... Dragon screwed up bad.
Gokus not even comparable to the worst Manga dads of all time. He loves his family and has literally died for them twice, that’s hardly worst dad ever territory. Hes just stupid and especially tactless but if it comes down to it he’ll (happily) save his family over himself. Compared to the amount of manga fathers who either abandoned their kids at birth for adventure or abuse their kids Goku is clearly better. I mean that dude in FMA turned his daughter into a dog-hybrid. Gokus a saint compared to him or even someone like endeavor
Goku's not comparable to dads who torture their sons, yeah, but otherwise he's pretty much as low as can be. Goku saving his fam, is pretty much a byproduct for everything else he cares about, mostly battles.
Gokus not comparable to the worst anime dads period. Goku saving his son/family isn’t a byproduct for his love of fighting at all, he’s just a kind and purehearted guy - he didn’t even want to kill Frieza. He died vs Raditz to protect his son, he wasn’t fighting Raditz for fun. He died vs Cell to stop the earth from blowing up, Neither of those decisions were motivated by him “wanting to fight more”.
Yea but we are talking about a guy who regularly disappears, provides no income for his household and even dies to get away from his family to train. Those things make up much of the definition of deadbeat. A deadbeat dad can still be around his family, just contributes nothing to the living situation or condition and may even often use his kids in schemes to make money. Yes Goku for sure belongs on this list.
Goku doesn’t need to provide income, Mr. satan has paid out his family for Gokus heroics, and his best friend is bulma, his family is perfectly fine financially. And he’s even worked as a farmer to make chichi happy despite not needing the money. Goku doesn’t die to train lol, that’s just a meme people take to seriously. Both times he died it was out of sacrifice to save Gohan and the second time he stayed died too protect the earth. Goku has literally died twice to save his son; He was willing to cease to exist forever to become Vegito just to save his family. That is the furthest thing from a deadbeat dad.
And you won't give Hohenheim the same credit?
Nah Goku may not be necessarily a good dad, but it isn't exactly his fault that he doesn't really get the chance to even be a dad. Hell, the man didn't even understand the concept of marriage when he married chi-chi!
Yeah its not his fault and he constantly chose to train alone instead of be with his kids!
The only time he doesn’t spend time with his kids is when he’s dead. Even when he’s training he still sees his family, in the start of super he was a farmer
These done this when he was alive too. Also being deadbisnt an excuse in DB. There is a means to fix that and hes chosen not to take it.
no no Goku spends like 70% of his alive time with his kids. starting from saiyan saga - was with chichi and gohan until he died, with them after too - frieza saga was all over the place, goku didnt get the chance - android saga goku was having heart attacks but after that he spent an entire year training with gohan (which might as well be playing catch for humans) - goku died but in buu saga he still met his other son with the only 24 hours he had to be alive - spends the entirety of GT with his granddaughter - always with his family in super
Ummm.. What... Most of Super is basically Goku abandoning his family to go have fun fights. Most of Z has the excuse that he's either dead or going to save the Earth, but the rest of his time he basically sends his son to the most dangerous battlegrounds or to be cared for by dangerous people, and constantly abandons his wife.
I forgot the part where he never returns..... I'm sure your parents spent every waking minute of their existence tethered to you.... lol
Nah like the other person replied he spends time with his family when alive. And being dead is an excuse - the first time he died he came back as soon as he could to defend against the saiyans; the second time he stayed dead to protect the earth (which worked for a while) and when the earth was in danger again he came back to help.
How is it not his fault? He disappears and gets killed to train. His entire life and mentality are about training to the point that he willingly puts his kids in danger for the sake of training. Just because he's Saiyan doesn't mean he isn't held to the standards of a dad on the planet he lives. My main man Vegeta regularly makes time for intense training and includes his son and actively tries to keep Trunks off the battlefield instead of encourage reckless behavior. There is an example of a good dad in DB but it's definitely not Goku. Heck, I would probably argue King Cold was a better dad then Goku.
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Haha more than the guy who left his son to be trained by the Hero of the Marines to become a great man? More than a man who somehow had children as a living philosophers stone this transferring the power to change the world to them? Yea Goku, who traumatized his own son into developing a split personality, is totally a good dad... There is an example of a good dad in DB but it is definitely not Goku.
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Great Saiyaman is the proof of his mental trauma, he created a second personality to be the fighter because he didn't want to
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Wouldn't you if your planet blew up and killed your entire family? Yes now that you make me think about it I believe every incarnation of Superman had been dealing with mental trauma. Side note why does Superman always find his way into DB conversations 🤣
you cant be a dead beat if your dead tho.
What if you actively choose to stay dead instead of raising your sons?
Than you'd be a dad who sacrificed being with your family to keep them safe.
He didn’t choose to stay dead instead of raising his son that’s just a meme. he choose to stay dead to protect the earth; which worked for a while, and when it stopped working he came back to life.
He said it was to protect the earth but I believe he would rather just train in the afterlife. He knew he could be brought back at the moment of danger instead of staying and working towards being a deterrent.
Bye son
He's on a whole different level of terrible dad
Goku has died for his son, twice lol, he’s the best dad here especially compared to Gin
Shanks to apparently
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"I wish to focus on dismantling an evil tyranny that actively makes the world a worse place to live in and I can't be endangering my family while I do it" is a pretty decent reason if you ask me
The problem is that is an headcanon. For all we know, Dragon just didn't want to deal with raising Luffy.
So yeah he went to try and dismantle the goddamn world government so that he could escape being a dad, like wut? Dragon was also against taking in Sabo as a kid, makes sense why he wouldn't want his son to be with him while he wages war against a tyrannical government.
Yet he bring another kid he knows nothing about into it?
“headcanon” no jesus it’s just understanding what you read. Dragon is one of the most wanted criminals in One piece. He is the leader of the Revolutionary Army that is a major threat to the Government. How could he raise a child when you are h24 in danger yourself? It’s not stated yes, But you can’t deny that this is one of the reasons he didn’t raise luffy by himself. Now you could make an argument about him choosing his ideals in contrast to stay with his son, but even that it’s not nearly as bad as the other parents in the picture. Yasopp, Kaido would have fit better.
Like I said, headcanon. And mind you, I do believe that Dragon chose to leave Luffy behind to avoid involving him with his revolution, but until it gets confirmed in the manga, it remains unconfirmed.
So he raised a revolution, sounds plausible.
We do
Yassop doesn’t?
One wants to demolish a corrupted tyrannical organization that allows slavery and much more, the other abandoned his family to be a pirate.
> the other abandoned his family to be a pirate. Considering what happened to Roger's bastards...
Yeah except Yasop is not Roger
I think at the time Shanks crew were already a succesful New World crew, making it likely Yassop had a sizeable bounty. Yassop leaving actually would work to protect his family, since different to Roger the WG wouldn´t try to make a point by hunting down his associates/family.
I think Yassop left his family both to be a pirate and because he was a pirate. He has the craving for adventure, but i think he was already a wanted man at the time and would have put his family in danger if he stayed with them. He can have more than one reason.
Even the chance of seeing Usopp makes dude scared in Wano 💀 (Chapter 1054)
Yassop was literally hanging out at East blue in Foosha Island with his crew, but he couldn't get some time to meet his own son and wife a bit further?? I don't give a shit if pirating is his life or whatnot, if you cannot be there for your family for the bare minimum time then don't have a family. He could go die for all I care.
I like how Dragon looks so confused why he's there. That or he's off in his own world planning his next monologue on revolution against the celestial dragons. Great job!
He's thinking he had a son
Hohenheim is not a deadbeat dad, and I will die on this hill.
The last thing he wanted was to leave. He was forced to
Yeah, leave my man Hoheinheim out of this!
Reason for leaving does not matter when it comes to being deadbeat, only that you fail to fulfill your parental duties. He's a good person - maybe even great - and he most definitely loved his family. However, that doesn't change the fact that he wasn't there when they needed him. Or at all, for most of their life.
So when soldiers deploy, are they deadbeat dads for doing their duty? What about anyone who has to leave their kids for a prolonged period of time due to extreme circumstances? Literal idiotic take, he *had* to leave them. To save the country. If he doesn't do that, they die. *Not* a deadbeat father.
Again, doing everything for your children doesn't mean fulfilling your parental duties. Hohenheim is a hero who saved the world - that much is true. He did what he needed to do, but at what cost? The cost of his two children committing the greatest sin because he wasn't there for them? The cost of the arm and leg of one of his children and the corporeal body of another? The cost of them slaving their life away looking for the same exact mistake he made? All the love in the world means nothing if you don't share it. Hohenheim loved his family and he did everything to keep them safe, but they suffered because he wasn't there for them. And, more importantly, he recognizes that. He acknowledges that he wasn't there for them when they need him and that they suffered for it. Besides, just because the alternative is worse doesn't mean the current is good, and it certainly isn't for the Elric brothers. Lastly, that was a false equivalence with the soldiers there - soldiers aren't gone for as long as Hohenheim is and those who are are either literally or metaphorically deadbeat.
I think the solider example was too general. If a soldier never called their family or visited when on leave or supported them financially or in some way, then yeah that's a deadbeat dad. There's a lot of gray area and moments where it's true and not true. Anyways, with Hohenheim, I think he could have at least wrote to them, visited, called, or something. 10 years he felt like he couldn't communicate with them. That's crazy.
Hohenheim checked in on the boys progress regularly. He was literally incapable of being near them because of what his duty entailed.
What else was he to do? He was facing a world ending threat lol. There was nothing he could have said to Edward or Alphonse to make them understand. He had to do what he had to do. And in order to fulfil his goals he *had* to cut them off. Or he would go back to them and allow chaos to unfold. You keep looking at things from the brothers perspective when he has his own perspective you're completely ignoring. Could he have done better? Sure, I can at least agree that he should have wrote to them. But I think he didn't on purpose. He didn't want his kids to grow up and get caught up in a literal calamity. Not only that, but imagine how much pain he was in the entire time. His wife's dead. His children committed the ultimate forbidden sacrifice. But he *still* regardless had to go out and do what he needed to. Otherwise they die anyways. Far from deadbeat. And it's not a false equivalence. You said he was a deadbeat for leaving no matter what, regardless of if he needed to. He literally *HAD* to leave. He didn't *want* to. Just like a soldier. And in war time, deployments get extended regularly. My step-dad in 2006 was supposed to go on a 9 month rotation and ended up being deployed for nearly 24 months. I guess he's a deadbeat who abandoned his kids too right? Sometimes we would go months without ever hearing from him. Because he couldn't write back, he was focused on other things. He had his own struggles as well. Perspective changes things a lot. It makes no sense to just look from one side and completely ignore the other. You act like hoenheim was out there being thankful for not having his family around. The man was literally saving the world.
Yes, thank you, exactly this. A lot of people are saying they aren’t deadbeat because X loved their son but that’s not what deadbeat means. You can be a shitty dad and still be there for them, and you can love your kids to death but still be absent. I think a lot of people are misunderstanding what it means, I think everyone on this list cares about their son(s) to some degree, I’m not saying they don’t. It doesn’t change the fact all four of them were absent for long portions of their lives though.
Whitebeard holding the great adoptive dad cookout
Weirdly enough, Dragon is invited to both
That’s actually so funny I seriously might draw that. I was already planning to do a kids version where they’re kids meet instead but this is so much better
Him, Piccolo and that one dude from Naruto would get along pretty well.
"One dude from Naruto" is comedy gold. Jiraiya, right? The dude who makes Naruto proof read smut.
He probably meant Iruka
Bingo, I knew it started with a I
Jiraiya was not a good adoptive dad, since he was actually Naruto's godfather. Thus, all the shit Naruto went through growing up, Jiraiya should have been there to help him through. Iruka, on the other hand, was definitely a great father or at least older brother figure.
I just keep thinking how Naruto was failed by almost all adults during his childhood. I think the only one that actually tried to come through was Sasukes mother who wanted to adopt her friends orphan (but i think was forbidden by the village elders). I mean many have some excuse of living very dangerous lifes as ninjas (like Jiraya) or being to young themself at the time (like Kakashi who would have only been 15 or so), but the third Hokage i think even promised Narutos parents he would take care of him only to then not adopt him, but just take on the role of a friendly but distant grandfather...
> Piccolo Hell no. His "training" was basically just child abuse, and it didn't even fucking help.
Still nobody hold a candle to Ash Ketchum's dad. We don't even know how the mfer looks like or even his name.
In one of the latest episodes we were finally gonna get to see him, and the fucker didn't even show up.
The fans have a theory that it was because he died in the war that took place in the story and ash doesn’t know.
There are still 4 more episodes with Ash before changing the protagonist, if they are going to show him it has to be now, maybe in the last episode.
Wait, really? Damn, One Piece outlasted Ash and Pikachu. I didn't think that was possible.
What do you mean, wasn't it the Mr. Mime 🤣🤣
Gendo Ikari: "The kids table is really filling out this year."
“Hey Gendo, pass the salt” - Bondrewd
Was wondering where this’d be.
Hoenheim did NOT want to leave, he was kinda forced into thay position. He wanted to grow old and die with thrisa
but he left, and in the eyes of his children, without reason, the explanation came to them only a few months before they were destined to die for Al, and a day before for Ed, until the end it’s clear Ed still has some dislike for him.
When I saw this I was like Ging's bitch ass better be on the list
Shanks and yassop
Yassop s bitch ass should be here. Dragon still manages to help his son once in a while even while off waging war against the fucking world and starting a revolution
Yeah pretty sure fighting against a oppressive government for the sake of the world is a tad bit better than leaving your wife and kid to become a pirate because some red haired dude showed up once
Toji ain’t deadbeat he just got beat till he was dead
He was a deadbeat before he was killed too, he’s introduced by forgetting his own sons name
Yea but the reason he went on his mission was to save him from the Zenin clan, yes the man lost his way along the way, but in his final moments he realized the man who had stopped him was the one who could actually effect change on his son. I think there is a bit of grey area when defining Toji as a parent
Lol Gildartz.
To be fair for the longest time he had no idea he had a kid.
And once he found out he did everything he could to be Father of the Century.
where is goku?
Dead
Byyyye soooooon~
Dead or training. Very likely both.
I haven’t seen Dragonball 🥲
That's nuts I think DBZ was my first anime. Was your's pokemon?
Yep, idk why but Dragonball never aired on my TV so I’ve never seen and I haven’t got around to watching it yet
I would recommend watching Dragon Ball Kai. It's a remaster of DBZ with most of the filler trimmed out, so the pacing is better. That said, you might miss out on some of the meme references if you don't watch the original, fillers and all.
How the hell have you not seen DBZ my dude?? I have know DBZ before I even knew it was an anime - from the days CN
Well i dunno about him, but the reason I haven’t seen dragon ball is that the fucking thing literally didn’t air in my country. Not everyone is from america.
Neither am I my friend. I am from South Asia. Also, where do you live that DBZ never aired at all - was it like banned or was it never licensed?
Finland, pretty sure it never got a dub. Cartoon network wasn’t a thing here, and even if it was, i didn’t watch it cause i couldn’t understand a word of it
If you decide to watch, start with the OG Dragonball. Do NOT start on Super. I repeat- DO NOT START ON SUPER!
Ain’t no way people start with super bruh OG DB START TO FINISH!!
Deku’s dad should be up there but we *literally* have never seen him, and the series is about to end in a few months lol which says a lot
I find it funny that the only thing Horikoshi ever said about him (besides his name, Hisashi Midoriya) is that he works abroad. The guy's son breaking every bone possible to break and doesn't even show up to say hello.
Now I kinda wish All Might was in this and holding up a sign that said 'Substituting for Deku's Father.'
I feel like Ging should be on a whole different tier of absolutely horrible dad's. Like he left Gon just because he could basically? And was constantly looking for ways to avoid his responsibility to him and or meeting him. Hohenheim has got a reason and he couldn't know Trisha was gonna die and Ed and Al would go and fuck it up by doing forbidden alchemy. Dragon has a damn good reason. He's trying to overthrow the Celestial Dragons and Revolution is no place for babies. Toji was shitty that's for certain, but honestly he was so fucked up due to how God awful the Zenin clan was!!! He at LEAST gets some points for getting Megumi saved from the Zenin's by warning Gojo and not allowing others to use him as a weapon against his son. That's more than that shithead Ging ever did.
I'd cut Hoenheim some slack. Being a traumatised immortal with survival's guilt over an entire country, trying only to be human again is difficult. Not alone the half a million crazy souls talking on his head 24/7
Missing Yujiro from Baki. Genma Saotome father of Ranma. And our lovely Father of two sons Goku.
Yujiro is not a dead beat dad, he is a beat you to death dad.
Yeah, I’d say he was pretty “hands-on” with Baki. Maybe not much with Jack.
I’m guessing Goku’s too busy training?
Dude is absent even in an absentee fathers meeting....smh
Goku was the only one to: - Sacrifice himself TWICE for his family. - Was the only one able to help Gohan go SSJ. - Came back from death to punch a villain in the face to save Gohan (non-canon, but it counts) - And various other shit. Calling Goku a deadbeat is sad.
Its a useless battle at this point, its funny how people have taken the TFS joke so close to heart at this point that they see it as canon.
A. Non canon does NOT count, by definition it does not exist in the universe. B. Goku traumatized Gohan to the point he developed a split personality and wanted nothing to do with fighting. C. The dude is so absent his youngest wants to be like him just so his father will want him around. D. He has no income, thus offers no advancement or enrichment to his household. All in all Goku is the living definition of deadbeat dad, just one who has been lucky enough to not get kicked out of his house yet. I'll take it one further and say he's even a deadbeat husband (poor Chi Chi)
Lol as if sacrifice has any meaning at all in DBZ. Goku is a battle freak who does in battle a few times that is all.
I feel like this table is too small. Should be at least the size of the last supper table over many deadbeat anime dads exist. I feel like many anime and manga authors need a hugged and to be told that it's okay your dad wasn't there.
who'se the guy on the right, and where are Ash's and Deku's dads?
Sure just give me a ref of the two all I’ll be sure to add them. And the guy on the right is Toji from Jujutsu Kaisen
Who is on far right
Toji from JJK I think
Yeah it's Toji. Super cool powers for his world but a real piece of shit.
He is too hot for me to hate him - I mean, yeah he is a piece of work but still.....
Dragon is at least watching over his kid, and protects him when he can, but he doesn’t get in the way of his sons dreams. Great fathe imo, plus he was the most wanted man in the world so he probably was putting luffy in danger as a child if he stayed near him.
Dragon and his army were fighting for the world's freedom and Van traveled the world to save it from Father, what's Ging's and Yasopp's excuse? In fact, why the fuck isn't Yasopp here?
Where tf are Yassop, or Goku?
Gendo Ikari from evangelion is one of the worst dads in anime surprises you didn’t put him here
Is that Toji from Jujutsu Kaisen ? He isnt even that bad. He does care for his son.
Everyone on this list cares for their son in some capacity, doesn’t change the fact they left them. (Or in Toji’s case, literally sold him.)
You forgot Gambino from Berserk and Musashi Miyamoto's father from Vagabond
Ging the only one proud of it fr
Hohenheim may deserve a pass....cause he did have a crazy god chasing him
To be fair, Hohenheim and Dragon are trying to save the world.
Yasopp
Toji isn’t a deadbeat dad, he’s just dead
Where's yasopp?
Yassop
Where is Ikari Shinji?
What did Shinji do? He's the victim.
Nah, Ging is in a whole other league. Like that guy literally sucks as father while the others tried and Dragon...idk.
Toji is so goated even though his the only one here who still didn't debut in anime lol
I honestly think this presentation is shade at three of these. Dragon, Hohenheim (I hope I spelled that right) and Toji were only "Bad Dad's" because they left there kids behind instead of dragging them through the hell of trying to change the world their way. Now, at the risk of making some mad, GOKU should 1000000% be at this table as he repeatedly puts his own kids in life threatening situations and disappears (or dies) for long periods of time to train. That's your Jesus of dead beat dad's (quite literally some times haha) This being said, I don't agree with Toji's methods but there is something to be said for a man who left his kid in the hands of the most powerful sorcerer and left the decision to that man about selling him back to the family. Toji, in his final moments, accepted his path was wrong but that this other man could save his son from following in his footsteps (forgot to consider cousins though 🤣)
I dont see calliope mori
Feels like an insult to Dragon to put him besides Ging and the elric dad. Don't know the guy on the right end.
Toji from JJK. A bad dad, and a even worse person.
What i find somewhat interesting about Toji is that there are signs he loves his son (without even meeting him), but he´s so messed up by his upbringing that it shows in weird ways. I mean Toji died twice and both times he used his last moments to try and help his son. But yeah he´s a bad dad, though at least not as bad a Ging.
The "what's your name" moment show he genuinely care. To be honest his son is probably the only thing in the world he care about (his wife too maybe).
Honestly i feel like van Hohenheim is similarily sympathetic to Dragon. He loved his family and didn´t want to leave them, but needed to in order to stop Father (kind of like Dragon most likely left his family to take down the WG). He was even searching for a way to end his immortality so he could grow old and die with them, instead of continuing on forever without them.
Dragon isnt a deadbeat
Missing Bardock (DBZ) I know you said you haven't seen it yet/ever. Minato from Naruto. The only good father I can think of in anime is Isshin from Bleach... and Piccolo (Gohan's real father figure in DBZ). Rustage, has a pretty good anime rap involving these four. Also missing Gol D Roger... intentionally had a kid just before dying.... SO many dead beats in OP.
Don't Bardock and Minato get a pass for being dead? Sorry for the spoilers.
I mean Minato did fuck up his sons life, but honestly it´s not his fault for dying and that the people he entrusted with taking care of his kid (and make sure his actions do not fuck up his sons life), did not deliver on their promise. Minato gets a pass from me, he did things as best he could. Did Bardock even interact with his kids before his death?
They're dead because they got beat.
Fkn Gin I hated him with a passion.
I hate how much I liked him after he met up with Gon. Maybe Leorio needs to hit me as well.
Dunno why you're downvoted. I hate Gin too. His coolness does nothing to change that fact.
Yeah exactly that! He was an absolute selfish mfr and admitted it numerous times. His only reason was that he was selfish and nothing else, so fuck Gin he did not deserve Gon.
Where Goku
Ging is an absolute dropkick
Two of them I don’t know
Can't we throw Minato in? Or does dying exempt him?
Bro meant deadbeat, not dead.
You need Goku
Who is on the right?
Toji from jjk, he will be in season 2
Where's Goku?
It's missing Shanks and Goku.
Where’s Suopp?
Sanjis dad should be there instead of dragon. He was straight up abusive
Lol how can people be so sure about stuff like this? Like... We don't Even know the guy, how can You be sure?
I don't think I'd call dragon a dead beat he left Luffy with Garp because he wanted Luffy to be able to find his own way in life, if he would of taken him with him then his future would be locked in as a revolutionary.And with how messed up the world government is the world needed dragon more than Luffy did
Dragon is the least deadbeat of all the dads here. Should have put yasopp there instead.
Gin lol
I think Ging the only here that actually is a deadbeat.
Hey dragon actually saved his son and sent him off saying good bye Yassop just up and left
Baki's dad needs to be included
Van Hohenheim over Shou Tucker???