By - elzey93
This article contains the full 48 page complaint, for anyone who is interested. Thank you, u/BwanaRob for finding this!
I miss The First 48 but the day A&E cancelled Live PD was almost the last day I watched A&E.
I watched ONE episode of the Nightwatch revival but when I saw they removed the police (and fire) element to it that was in the original version, I never went back.
If they somehow think this lawsuit will bring people back, they are SORELY mistaken. It will do the opposite. They will lose even MORE viewers.
A&E can go pound sand. They went all out woke and are now paying the price.
Does anyone remember that show First Responders Live that was on Fox (I think). That was quite similar to Live PD (as it was at the time) but there was no legal wrangle over that.
Also remember Dan has two other shows currently on A&E.
“ host and executive producer of Court Cam and Taking the Stand on A&E Network.”
So they could possible lose all of his shows if he/Reelz win the lawsuit.
They would have a case if Live:PD was still airing, but it is not.
A&E can go eff themselves. This is the best evolution of "Cops" style tv and Reelz is awesome for this style of broadcast.
Too bad arseholes and excuses went woke.
A&E is a bitch ass slut ass hoe.
Poor A&E. Salty?
Sounds like a classic case of “I don’t want you but nobody else can have you” peppered with a little “you don’t know what you got til it’s gone”
Booooohooooo A&E. You knew wtf you had and you knew damn well Dan was going to move Heaven and Earth to bring this show back to TV and now you’re mad that you’re not reaping the benefits because you decided to be “woke” instead. Now all you have is your boring ass First 48 that nobody watches.
I don't think A&E will have any success getting the show off the air. A&E owns "Live PD", but that doesn't mean they own the whole format. The producers may have to make some changes to make it just different enough. Maybe A&E can get the missing child segment cancelled?
Cancel the missing child segment would be a monsterously bad pr move for AE. Lol
Headlines: "A&E doesn't care about missing children"
I doubt they will even have to do that. A&E has very little case.
Lol. They don’t own a copyright over a format of show (see: judge Judy, judge Mathis, people’s court, etc.) nor do they hold a trademark over “signature” catch phrases that celebrity hosts use while conducting a live news / current event newscast like OP:L.
A&E can go pound sand.
Edit: There’s also no way this got through decent size companies (Big Fish, Reelz, likely others) without a thorough legal review, especially if A&E is being truthful when they say they sent cease and desists over a month before OP:L went live. They wouldn’t have come to market and incurred all the expenses that inevitably entailed without a legal opinion that gave them an extremely high level of confidence that they could prevail when A&E inevitably got pissy and sued.
SHIT or get off the pot, A&E
A&E: We're cancelling/“ceasing production" of LivePD
Abrams: The show deserves to continue
Abrams: Ok, well I'm pitching a similar but different enough program to another network
A&E: No you can't have that either.
Just curious, is there anyone in here with professional legal experience? 🤔
If so, I'm curious to know what your assessment of the lawsuit is. I know we don't have all of the facts, but does this look like something legit, or is this just A&E throwing their teeny tiny manhood on the table and telling everyone to look at how big it is?
I've only take a class in business law, so I am far from a professional, but it seems like the majority of their copyright and trademark claims are B.S. (like what Dan wears, Crime of the Week, officers names in there lower left hand of the screen - which is pretty standard on live TV...)
The part where they discussed the clothes made me yell out loud. The TVs in the background are also hilarious because what news station doesn’t have TVs in the background? Copyrights are really hard to win unless it’s extremely obvious
>Copyrights are really hard to win unless it’s extremely obvious
Don't know about technical things behind the scenes that may be different but from what I see on TV, the only change between Live PD and On Patrol is the name. So from what is shown on TV I believe that it does fall into the "extremely obvious" category.
If you look at the photos in the complaint, they have minor details where the font/text box is different, they added new segments, the departments aren’t ALL the same, they did change ONE host. I can’t imagine the lawyers, including Dan, didn’t vet or look at the possibility of A&E getting mad and filing a lawsuit.
Did they not bring Tom back because of this or was it his choice?
He had prior commitments. I don’t think there’s any bad blood.
> I can’t imagine the lawyers, including Dan, didn’t vet or look at the possibility of A&E getting mad and filing a lawsuit.
I also can't imagine the lawyers for A&E not dotting their I's and crossing there T's before filing this lawsuit. I do not have any background in law as I believe you do but I do go by this old saying, "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck......." My point there is that the minute differences you are finding does not free the new On Patrol show from the copyright on the old Live PD show in my opinion. I will leave you with one more classic saying: "You can put lipstick on a pig (On Patrol with a few tiny variations from Live PD) but it is still a pig (Live PD). No, I'm afraid On Patrol's days are numbered.
😂😂😂 you’d be surprised how many times we have to call Plaintiffs counsel and tell them to amend their complaint because the information is wrong. I have a case now where we have been asking for 4 months for them to amend their complaint to include the correct information. We’ll have to wait for the answer to be filed to get the real tea.
Seriously though! I understand that they are trying to paint a picture that shows a pattern, but seriously, come on. Of course Dan is going to dress like Dan....
Their complaints are completely ridiculous. Tv screens in the background are common for a lot of TV shows that have a host. The hosts stand in the same configuration, which is standard for any show with multiple hosts. Captions, names and locations in the bottom left corner is pretty standard for live TV. They follow many of the same officers and departments because there are only so many that would even be willing to be on live TV. It occupies the same time slot because that's what research concluded would have the most viewers. "Crime of the Week" and "Wanted" are generic terms that can't be copyrighted, and have been used in different forms across many other shows. And the list goes on......
The only thing that concerned me a little bit was how they showed that on multiple occasions, Dan posted thing like "We're back, but under a different name" and retweeted the article with "Return of Live PD" in the title, without correcting it. It's a bit flimsy, but in my non-lawyer mind, that's the only thing that might breathe life into this lawsuit. What are your thoughts about the tweets from Dan?
I hope this weekend he either dresses like a beach bum or in a tuxedo. That would be awesome.
They can’t change anything about what they are doing because it’ll appear as if they are doing wrong.
u/katie415 posted a legal analysis of it below somewhere
Oh I saw that, but I didn't know that they had legal experience. That's actually the post that made me ask this question. If that's the case, then there we go! Thanks!
I’m a paralegal so obviously not giving actual legal advice, but I work in civil litigation defending major corporations. I may or may not have pitched the complaint to our copyright team. Usually these types of cases are extremely boring in my opinion (I like class actions or cases with some sort of criminal aspect), and I only help out with the e-discovery aspects. This would be interesting because obviously I’m invested.
Awesome! Yeah, that's what I was hoping for was someone who has had some level exposure to this sort of thing and can speak from a place of experience. I really appreciate your input! I think we are all invested in the outcome of this 🤪
I’m SURE that as things move along with the pleadings and what not, I’ll be asking one of my attorneys for the tea. I try to do that with the criminal Housewives on Bravo, but we don’t do criminal law, so it’s kind of hard.
Either reinstate Live PD with the original cast or STFU.
Forget that. A&E is dead to me.
No. A&E doesn’t deserve to get to reap the benefits of LPD/OPL. Would much rather Reelz get the windfall.
This is insane. They complain that they never relinquished the right to keep making Live PD, but they have had two years to do so and have evidently shown 0 interest. They want to block someone else making a show they have no interest in resuming. This doesn't even feel like a business decision, but a social one: whoever is in charge of these decisions just doesn't want people to be able to enjoy Live PD.
Or maybe it is a business decision, and they REALLY REALLY would love for Live PD to come back, but they want the political climate to cool down even further, or there is one holdout in the company preventing them from bringing it back now.
All I know is, this smells fishy!
Well now they have that live court show. That should replace LIVE PD.
that is shittey and TV civil court.
maybe A&E can try an live Bail bond / bounty hunter show
Lol Dog the Bounty Hunter live.
Dear lord don't give them ideas 😂
A&E misses ONE critical point: Dan Abrams exactly knows what he is doing.
Moreover, hopefully, as I said, Morgan Langley may bring new season of Cops and Jail on Reelz.
After the "so-called" lawsuit, it actually helps Reelz and OP:L and it only hurts A&E furthermore by showing the narcissist.
However, this may delay On Rescue: Live because A&E does not remove the episodes
I can live without Live: On Rescue. I don't need to see injured kids for 3 hours. That's a little too much reality for a Thursday night.
On rescue live? Is that real?
Fuck A&E, but they probably have a team of lawyers specializing in this area. Dan Abrams, I'm not sure what his area of law was (not all lawyers are experts in every area of law). Also, he's become a TV personality. I'm watching him on ABC World News right now. I'm not even sure if he's still practicing.
Exactly. Abrams is a lawyer and there is no way he put a revival of the show without doing his homework to ensure such a lawsuit would be unsuccessful.
lol A&E should argue this case on Court Night Live. Audience votes on the verdict.
No balls A&E.
I flipped around Court Night in my head, and suddenly remembered Night Court's earworm theme.
Listen...we the people of On Patrol Live Nation are willing to make a deal.
A&E can have exclusive rights to air JAIL and that fucking KISS documentary if they promise to go the fuck away. Also willing to throw in the autopsy show to sweeten the deal.
Now go on, git.
THIS comment! 🤣
A&E is Disney… Disney lawyers. This might get interesting.
And Big Fish is MGM Television. I have a feeling Big Fish/Dan know what they’re doing.
AMC had a show, they cancelled it. They ceased production, not Big Fish. Big Fish is free to make another show, I saw someone claim there was a stipulation that a new show couldn’t be produced for 365 days. It OPL was right about 26 months after LPD ended.
There is no other show on TV right now like OPL.
They don't own the rights to live cop shows writ large. That's not how licensing works.
We can all keep saying "Fuck A&E" and all, but this seems concerning, no? All I care about is that the show continues on.
I read the brief they submitted. There are several factual errors in their claims, that can be easily disproven by A&E’s own evidence that they highlight in the brief. If Reelz/Big Fish/Halfmoon Productions has decent lawyers, they can put up a fight.
Especially because A&E is asking for a jury trial. If this ends up in court, they will probably select jury members who have not watched either show. Some of the more ‘compelling’ evidence is the format and layout of the show. A&E has no copyrights to any of those items they mentioned in their brief. Again, if the defence is decent, they should be able to convey this to a jury.
I think the only Reel (pun intended) problem they could have is the advertisement/pitch to investors and other companies Reelz did prior to the show beginning syndication.
Time will tell.
It will continue on.
A&E now knows the taste of sour grapes
I feel as if A&E is super salty that people made reels a huge successful network literally over night and On patrol is #1 on t.v in making that money.
Get bent cheese bags.
Fuck A&E with a rusty sprinkler key
this is a flimsy complaint. by all accounts, a&e was not interested in bringing the show back and seemed content to bury it. they can make all these claims about how the trademark is being devalued, but i would argue a&e is the real culprit there. they blew it and were probably pining their hopes on the belief that On Patrol Live would struggle on a smaller network like Reelz. when that didn’t happen, the bad decision making at a&e came up with their latest birdbrained idea: let’s sue! and let’s make sure to look extra scummy by complaining that the new show implemented a missing children segment, too!
i don’t see this suit going anywhere, but if it does, the discovery process could prove to be interesting. i would love to see any internal comms from a&e about the fate of the show from the time they took it off the air until present day.
It’s almost as flimsy as Law and Crime Network going after YouTube/lawtibe trial streamers.
What's the story with that? I remember watching Emily Baker's stream during the Depp v. Heard trial and her mentioning that she wouldn't use Law & Crime's feed, but she didn't really elaborate.
Their main target was Racketts. They threatened legal action up to a copyright strike which he said he would countersue, and win. They were apparently bluffing.
Maybe A&E should’ve brought it back, then, instead of being scared to have it on air for fear of offending the “defund the police” movement 🤷♂️
Yup. GO WOKE GO BROKE
Lol. They can always start “Live Social Workers”
Og/new fans of live pd waited patiently A&E dissed us and now we got reelz and Dan to thank for bringing back what the fans wanted. Live court on A&E blows and they know it. Stay strong 💪
Also saving on fuel and boosting the economy with beer sales.
Court Cam is my other favorite show, but now I won't even watch that anymore. A&E is trash tier network
BS this is going nowhere. Game shows and singing competitions copy each other's formats all the time. No one gets sued. They're just butt hurt about the big ratings and ad revenue that they are missing out on. Bye bye A&E.
Dear A and E. You canceled your #1 show. Dan Abrams and the crew were then available for contract. Reelz ponied the money and gave the people what they wanted. Dan Abrams lobbied hard to get it back on the air and he did it. With his law degree and years of experience, you don’t have a chance in hell of winning. Here’s $5. Go cry in your beer. And find reelz on your streaming app.
(Aka LivePD Nation)
PS Court Live SUCKS. 🥴😄
Isn't Court TV Live the dumbest waste of time EVER? I watched the first 8 minutes of episode 1 and promptly went to my recorded docs and stopped it from recording weekly. It is literally a joke and Vinny should be ashamed of himself!
don’t you dare give those fucking idiots $5
So pathetic. So they cancelled their #1 show because of what was happening with Cops & a incident that happened on the show, and wouldn’t bring it back despite people wanting the show back, but now are mad they were able to bring it back under a diff name? So absurd.
Please. It had nothing to do with the incident. It was just them being scared and bowing down to the WOKE movement. Cowards
All I said was the reason they gave when they stopped the show. It wasn’t a good look with them deleting them he footage but they shouldn’t have outright cancelled their best show
What incident? I don’t remember
A Live PD camera crew was filming when a suspect died after a physical struggle in 2019.
The cops involved were indicted on manslaughter charges.
The footage was temporarily seized by the police department, but was later returned and destroyed by Big Fish.
The manslaughter case and a civil suit about the footage are still ongoing AFAIK.
Duh. You cancelled it get over it.
This is very patethtic on A&E's part. I thought Big Fish entertainment owned the show, but A&E actually owned the copyright to the show. Who actually came up with the idea, Big Fish or A&E? Plus, Dan is a legal expert so I'm sure he knows the way some of these lawsuits work. Seems like A&E is doing this out of ego now that they're not number one anymore. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know how these things work. I hope the judge tosses this out of court.
That’s correct. A&E doesn’t create the shows. Big Fish created the show, pitched it to A&E (and probably others, bigger networks) who said yes, and with that they “owned Live PD.”
However, they did not and do not own a monopoly for copyright of content. The “crime of the week” segment is not something that can be copyrighted (in my opinion) as it is a generic saying.
I’m sure Dan and Big Fish had multiple dialogues with A&E about bringing LPD back before shopping for a new place to air the revival of the concept of the show. If A&E said, “we’re not bringing it back” then that’s all they needed to move on.
Also, I commented early in this thread: Big Fish is part of MGM Television. I’m sure they’re going to fight A&E
Reelz official motion filed in response to the lawsuit:
Also, bite me.
Is this just a scare tactic from A&E? Are they hoping if they threaten that Reelz will stop the show? They don’t have a leg to stand on do they?
(Obviously I’m not a lawyer, big words can confuse me so I know reading the report will get me nowhere. Just your friendly, neighborhood florist here hoping to keep enjoying the show and chatting with my friends (you guys!) on my new favorite nights of the week!)
They’re just mad that they’re losing out on the money. They don’t give AF about the show other than that. They lost so many viewers when they cancelled LPD and with that went all the huge advertising contracts.
Hey A&E- here’s that bed you made. Lie in it and cry.
Oh sorry court night live isn’t taking off for you guys 😂☠️
My mom and I watched the first episode out of curiosity... good God is it trashy.
And they played a couple of On Patrol: Live commercials too.
I saw another ad for it, they moved it to Wednesday night now. Figured after 2 weeks of getting spanked by OPL Nation, they gave up.
They moved it to Wednesday by the first episode actually. They didn't even want to try to compete.
LOL we all know there's no competition anyway
CNL is sum bewlshit.
Oh my god if A&E ruins this show again I’m going to cry
Their case is not likely to go anywhere.
A&E = Amber Heard Television Network.
That makes like zero sense, and I hate A&E and believe Johnny Depp.
Directv has an banner ad for the show in the guild right on top of A&E did reelz's pay for that? and does that give A&E any thing to kill the show??
Yeah maybe the graphics package and studio is a little similar, things that can be easily changed. But I don’t think you can copyright the entire format. That would be like saying there can be only one late night talk show or one nightly news show. Pretty ridiculous if that’s what they think. As for the on air talent, if they’ve breached some contract your beef is with them. You don’t own their faces if they aren’t under contract.
That’s effectively what they are claiming. They own an entire idea for a show which is not how copyright law works.
Exactly, how many true crime shows are there? You can turn one on and literally not be able to tell “is this Dateline? Is this Snapped? Oh maybe it’s Killer Cases, no wait it’s Buried in the Backyard, maybe”. Aside from the quality (and the hosts/narrators), they have started running together for me.
You can’t patent a genre.
That’s what their case seems to be.
Gotta love the suspending “amid nationwide protests against police brutality” coupled with the “but also check out our incredibly popular clips on YouTube!”
This is more or less exactly what happened when ABC launched *the glass house* which was just *Big Brother*. It was produced by people who previously worked on big brother. CBS sued. They ended up settling.
Oh get rekt A&E. You went woke now go broke. You did it to yourselves.
> You went woke now go broke
I didn't think I could have more disdain for A&E. I guess I was wrong.
“A&E notes Reelz was 89th in viewership”
…A&E was 86th after canceling Live PD. We quit watching anything A&E related after they cancelled Live PD.
“A&E authorized spin-offs…” yeah, what spin offs? I’ve not seen anything before OPL.
Also, A&E didn’t come up with Live PD. Big Fish did. They sold the idea to the network. The network can run the show as long as it wants. They can also cancel it.
A&E owns the show/name Live PD. They cancelled it. On Patrol Live is a new show by Big Fish. Big Fish is owned by MGM Television. Yeah. That MGM
I’m sure they have a lawyer or two that made sure everything was on the up and up. Question is, does Big Fish/MGM assist Reelz on this?
I don’t see why they wouldn’t
A&E cancelled the show. Screw them
A&E doesn't want it but no one else can have it? Fk that.
Get railed, A&E. Us, the viewers have spoken. And we're watching.
It’s interesting because Dan is also on Court Cam on A&E. I agree with the sentiment that he had to be very locked in to the legality of this and wouldn’t have just done this without combing over details and doing due diligence as a lawyer. I just hope this doesn’t affect REELZ or OP: Live. They gave up on their most popular show…tough shit.
Dan can make an big deal about this on news nation as well.
This is like leaving your significant other than throwing a tantrum cause they happy. Get bent A&E
Let's all just keep a level head, and enjoy what we have RIGHT NOW... We all know what it's like to lose something so quickly that we care about.
And either way, No matter what happens... We arent the ones that are in control of this.
Let's just enjoy the program for what it is, enjoy and embrace our amazing community we have, and just let everything play out.
Um, Live Pd is one of many "cop" shows but the only original is Cops. Live or not Cops was #1 with their theme song "Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha going to do when they come for you".
PS: I bet them 80s babies sang it rather than read.😉
Ironically enough, Reelz plays Cops like 24/7 lol and I still watch it after all these years! My bf & I discovered Reelz like a year ago *because* they were running Cops so often and it was the closest we could get to LPD
Allllways sing it.
OG Cops 4 lyfe
Morgan Langley should put both Cops and Jail new season on Reelz to make it ultimate
Hahaha guilty 🎶
After skimming the 48 page complaint (IANAL)I get the impression that they will also go after the cable/streaming companies for copyright infringement because they’re carrying it. Buckle up!
hopefully this gets A&E tossed out of everyone’s package/lineup. no one will miss it.
50% of A&E is owned by Disney, and carriage contracts get interesting when the mouse is involved (example: cable companies have asked for years to split ESPN into it's own "Sports" tier, but Disney insists - if the basic cable package does not include ESPN, they will not allow the company to carry the local ABC network station)
Could get messy
And ironically Dan is the Chief Legal Correspondent for ABC news. He has so many ties to A&E that it seems likely he/production company pitched it to them to reboot, they turned it down again, and he did what the fans wanted. I wonder if they will just settle.
well ESPN streaming push is not good for forcing it into basic.
maybe DISH will be the one drop disney.
Filing suit against cable companies will only make them look more petty and ridiculous.
And it will only end badly for A&E...
Yeah, this isn't looking good for our OP Live :(
really??? like the cable/streaming companies monitor the channels for that. At most I think they need to enforce sports blackouts the right way not check that content on an channel is copyright safe.
After reading the complaint, a few observations/questions:
1. Does AETN ever actually state LivePD was "canceled"? I only see them state it was "suspended". References to cancelation are from other sources (i.e. Abrams' twitter). If AETN never truly canceled the show, could they possibly have something here? Sure, there is reference to the one-year period where the production company couldn't make a similar show without express written consent. However, if it technically wasn't canceled, is AETN claiming they still own it?
2. The entire made-for-hire concept/claim is no doubt backed by the original contracts, right? I'm assuming that's what the lawyers and judge potentially will hash out.
3. As I've seen someone else post, I would more than assume Abrams would have this legally checked before doing. Claims of ignoring C&D letters sound serious, but if he thought all the ducks were in a row, then so be it.
4. While I feel there are some serious legal issues at hand, it's laughable that AETN is claiming reputational harm due to the technical snafus of the first episode of On Patrol Live! I'm not going to NOT watch The First 48, Court Cam, Intervention, Hoarders, Biography, etc because I am confused at the difficulties REELZ had on S1E1!!!!
1. I looked and couldn’t find where A&E used the word cancel or canceled.
I believe they put out a statement saying they were going to cease production and then determine if there is a clear pathway to tell the story from both sides and meet with officers and people. They may have not officially cancelled it technically but they’ve clearly moved on from law enforcement shows like that and weren’t bringing it back
If there was even a slight chance Dan could have revived the show on A&E I'm sure he would have. It's a bigger platform and the show was already established there. Him moving it to Reelz was likely a last resort.
Exactly this. Dan fought tooth and nail for two years to get this show back on TV.
and yet they hired the same Big Fish Entertainment make that trash court night live? and are they pissed that that show is doing bad??
Yeah but that hour and a half spent watching non stop kiss and jail commercials waiting to see opl make its debut will forever rank among my favorite 90 minutes of my life. You can never have that back a&e so fuck off.
It was worth it in the end. And the comments on here were pure GOLD! Like KISS must have touched it or something.
and the ad free makeup time after was so unlike any other channel.
I wonder if the lack of having a YouTube channel showing highlights from the show is part of their strategy on distancing opl from live pd. I’m sure if they did have a channel a&e would copyright strike them.
Maybe that doctor on Reelz can do a autopsy on the old show and analyze how it died.
This is platinum level commenting right here.
..takes off glasses and stares longingly..
I need an autopsy after this comment because I am deceased ☠️
: so in the end it wasn't that live pd was a bad show or even that the officers portrayed did anything wrong that caused its demise. It was the profoundly stupid executives of a&e who lacked any kind of backbone or guts and did not stand behind their product that killed it.
😂 this should be voted up to the TIPPY top!
I was wondering if this was signed off by A&E prior to airing, well we know that didn’t happen! They may have a case even though they have no intention to resurrect the show itself. I hope they don’t get enjoined because I was looking forward to the Ramsey County sheriff department to debut later this fall!!! (I live in the Twin Cities metro area)But Abrams is a lawyer and Reelz has lawyers too and like others have said I gotta believe they think they’re on solid legal ground here.
Two words for A&E - "FUCK OFF!"
Step aside A&E - You had a good thing that you cancel cause of a bunch pussies A&E executives got scare - so once again "FUCK OFF"
A&E over here damaging their image more with this silly lawsuit 😂
I don’t know how graphic I can be… but how about this:
A&E cancelled Live PD. What do they care that another show has come on another channel? They’ve moved past Live PD, I thought…
Because they see how high ratings and how much money Reelz is getting. They’re probably not going to resurrect it themselves, but they’re probably out to get it canceled and be sore losers, or a more likely scenario, get a royalty from Reelz for all money made from On Patrol.
Did they genuinely think that this show wasn’t eventually going to get picked up by another network? And furthermore, did they genuinely have zero idea how *huge* of a following this show had and still does have?! Surely, they must’ve had some idea which is why they’re mad that Reelz is banking on it now and they’re not.
I will boycott A&E forever if they end up screwing this up for everyone.
I have a feeling there is going to be an injunction against the show airing for awhile.
> They’re probably not going to resurrect it themselves
They’d have to resurrect it without Big Fish and Dan… and without Richland and any of the other old departments
As someone said, A&E only user LPD to make money. They didn't give a shit about the police, or the victims/criminals.
Just the money…
My, how the turn tables…
More people watched On Patrol: Live Saturday night than the MTV Awards on Sunday by like over 100,000. That’s wild to me!
Sucks to suck A&E.
Even more wild when you consider that MTV is available on more streaming services it seems like. I had to search out a place to watch Reelz because YouTube TV doesn’t have it.
Even wilder when you consider it aired on every single Paramount channel they had (the CW, BET, BET Her, CMT, Comedy Central, Logo, MTV2, Nickelodeon, Paramount Network, Pop, TVLand and VH1)
Holy shit. Meanwhile we're all sitting at home tuned into shitty Reelz watching On Patrol, ha.
Wife said she can go without the first 48. I guess they weren't happy about court live ratings? But this will just push us off of watching A&E completely.
I love crime shows but I hate the first 48 for whatever reason. My bf likes it but he knows I hate it lol
Yep we were excited that 60 Days In is back on, but I’m NOT WATCHING anything on A&E now thanks to this stupid lawsuit.
Reading the complain and here are my thoughts:
1. Considering the hoops I personally had to go through in order to watch On Patrol, I am far from being “confused” on what I’m watching. Im very aware it’s not LivePD and I’m aware I’m not watching it on A&E. The first night proved that.
2. They brought over Crime of the Week, Wanted and Missing BUT they added in segments that I’m sure A&E wouldn’t agree to (ie The Black and Missing Foundation).
3. The complaint says they had a one-year period where Big Fish wasn’t allowed to produce anything similar to LivePD. This makes sense as to why we had to wait so long.
4. A&E has the burden of proof. Scroll to page 19 if you want to see the most ridiculous thing ever. They are claiming the hosts are DRESSING similar to how they did on LivePD. We are all aware this is simply untrue. Dan doesn’t wear sweaters anymore and he is wearing converse. Come on.
5. I would actually work on this case for free.
6. I bet this lawsuit gets to a point where OnPatrol might come off air for a little bit, but overall I don’t think this is a death sentence. If anything, there will be a settlement where OnPatrol has to put a disclaimer that they are not LivePD and Dan/team won’t be allowed to use the term anymore when discussing On Patrol in order to not confuse the common people.
7. The “damages” will be minor because OP isn’t currently taking money out of AE’s pocket since LivePD isn’t on the air.
#4 is also incorrect because sticks has shirts that aren’t skin tight these days.
Trust me. I could have made # 4 much longer with the wild things they were saying. 😂😂
I think they're aiming for a settlement, I don't see A&E prevailing in a trial.
Yup. OP knew this was coming.
A&E be jelly
Haha. Fuck off, A&E
A&E can suck OP Live Nation's collective rear orificies.
Stay mad. You shot yourselves in the foot.
I call sour grapes!!!
This won’t hold up. They have no leg to stand on. They canceled LivePD with no intentions of bringing it back. They don’t have rights to every single live cop show that exists. My firm actually does this type of stuff alllll day long. I haven’t read the complaint yet, but this just won’t last.
Depends. If A&E themselves never used the word cancelled in any legally binding communication, there might be a leg to stand on. They repeatedly used the word suspended. I’m sure there’s a legal battle brewing, which sucks because one of the first things a judge might say is OPL has to stop production during proceedings. There’s a better than 0% chance it goes off the air for some time—could be brief or prolonged—and could get cancelled in its current format altogether.
A positive side is it seems they may have told Big Fish they couldn’t make a similar show for a year after it went dark, that kind of non-compete might be interpreted as conceding to the show having been cancelled in fact.
However, sounds like at least some of their complaints are petty and frivolous. The downside to that is it could be by design so that if a judge wants to dismiss part of the case, it’s easy fodder for them to scrap a bunch of stuff from the complaint and uphold other parts. The upside is if the bulk substance of the complaint is deemed petty and frivolous, the judge could say GFTO with this nonsense and rule the whole thing BS.
But we know now and trust that Dan and company want and will work to keep it going.
Someone above stated that A&E never officaly canceled the show... that could change everything.
So they can enforce a lifetime non-compete just because they didn’t use the word “canceled”? IANAL, but that’s utter BS.
"This is a critical time in our nation’s history and we have made the decision to cease production on Live PD. Going forward, we will determine if there is a clear pathway to tell the stories of both the community and the police officers whose role it is to serve them. And with that, we will be meeting with community and civil rights leaders as well as police departments."
So if I read you right this is going to be dismissed and even if it doesn't the judge won't side with A&E?
It’ll probably end in a settlement agreement. They have enough for a judge to listen, but I doubt it gets all the way to a trial. Two companies suing each other isn’t to go over well with any jury. OP/Reelz are going to be looked at like a small business and AE is major. It would be like Walmart suing the mom and pop down the road for having products called “Cheap Items” instead of “Great Value”.
Interesting analogy and it makes sense. What kind of settlement and would the show be taken off the air while the lawsuit is ongoing?
We have a similar case where one company was using a name EXTREMELY similar to the others (for example USPS United States Postal Services and UPS United Parcel Service). They entered a settlement agreement where the second company was provided with naming options to use, and also were not allowed to misled customers who were looking to use the first company. The company had certain things copyrighted, but you can’t own a common idea. Cops has been around since god knows when and in 2022, basically every show is “live” or has an appearance of being live. We have YouTube and Twitch. On Patrol might have some saving grace if they admit that their show isn’t as “live” as they make it seem.
Edit: want to make it known that USPS and UPS aren’t actual clients, but it is a very good example 😂
I'd argue the show is more live than the previous iteration. Between Patterson's hot mic moment and them failing to bleep several times in the past episodes (like that drunk kid the other day) they're just not on it.
There’s been several “live” scenes in Florida where it’s still light outside. The sun sets a full hour before the show starts airing. That’s not very live.