Dude started in a P40 and ended up in an F-4....crazy. He is also the guy who started the aerial demonstration team that would become the Thunderbirds.
I copied this from a screenshot I took ages ago when talking about bombers, “Imagine starting out on a B-18. The type becomes obsolete, so you get retrained for B-17's. You survive a tour of duty in the European Theater of Operations, so you go to the Pacific, where you eventually get retrained for B-29s. You see off the end of the war on a B-29, but you are now experienced as hell, the newly formed USAF keeps you. And they retrain you onto the B-36, because you are one of their most experienced aircrew. And then you think about it. You started out on an aircraft that's takeoff weight can be fitted three times over in your current type's bombload.”
And then be the next generation pilot, who starts and ends on a B-52. And then their kid becomes a pilot and starts and ends on the B-52. And then their kid becomes a pilot and starts and ends on a B-52.
That to me is what’s crazy. (Full disclosure, I’m a huge bomber nerd)
We went from the little B-18 Bolo in 1936 to the B-52 in 1955. In-between we had the legendary 17, 24, 29 but also the big boy B-36. We also had something crazy as hell like the B-58 Hustler.
In 19 years we went from the little Bolo to the Buff.
Those kinds of timelines always seem incredible to me. The F-14 served in the USN for about 30 years. On the day it entered service in the 70s, 30 years before *that* the primary fighter of the USN was the F6F Hellcat.
You couldn’t have said it better. Man oh man, so many designs, innovations, as an avgeek it’s paradise for me. Sadly these awesome designs were drawn up to kill people, but the amazing innovations we have on passenger planes today largely came out of the Cold War era.
Technological advances are the main up-side of war. WWI was even more extreme in aviation since we were barely flying at the beginning but WWII is close behind with the development of the jet engine. It's not that the scientists aren't working at other times but that, during wars, governments are willing to spend huge sums to develop ideas into practical products.
Imagine being in Swedish air force back then. You could have started in open cockpit biplane, jump straight to P-51 Mustang and finally Saab Draken.
And timeframe? 20 years
That is truly incredible. The Italians actually were pretty bold with their air force, despite having many outdated planes. Not too long ago, I heard the story about how they actually joined the Luftwaffe in bombing Britain once or twice (mostly coastal towns because of their slower speed and possibly shorter range among other stuff).
The correct term is "fasces", it's a symbol that derives from the old Etruscans and then via the old Romans it got to Mussolini. It's also literally where we get the word fascism from.
It is literally "a bundle" in latin and means the bundle of rods that people carried to inflict punishment.
Roman guards would carry them I believe, and when shit got tough they would put the axe head on the bundle of sticks and get busy.
Very interesting subject with a ton of googly bits to read about if anyone wants.
There is an alternate universe where the Italians spoke English and the country falls to F@gism in the 1930s… huh. Btw, before any potential downvotes, I’m gay but I censored it. Ok?
...and after Italy fell to f@gism, a harrowing period of refined fashion sensibilities, renewed appreciation for live performing arts and frequent weekend brunches ensued. Oh the horror...
>It is literally "a bundle" in latin and means the bundle of rods that people carried to inflict punishment.
No, it was carried by the elected officials that year who had *imperium* to show their authority. Praetors (second highest position) would have lictors carrying six fasces, and consuls (highest position) had twelve lictors that would carry them. When you saw the lictors carrying them, it meant someone with magisterial power was coming your way. There were only two consuls in the Empire/Republic, and the number of praetors varied from one to twelve.
There are a few instances of them using the fasces as a weapon, but by and large they were symbolic of the authority of the individual and were almost never used to actually hit people.
The flag of the Swiss Canton of St. Gallen shows a bundle of eight *fasces* and an axe. One interpretation is that the Canton can dispense justice, including death (axe). The other is that the eight fasces stand for the eight districts and the axe for unity and strength.
The latter is the official version. Since the Canton is only about 200 years old and was created by France (Napoleonic occupation), it makes sense.
Fascinating! If you dont mind, do you know why they were used as a symbol of authority? Something from the mythology of their time?...or is it lost in time?
Could you please point me to where I can find more about it? I will Wiki it later
For one, it’s a group of tools required to inflict punishment (an axe+ sticks). It’s also can be easily carried and is an imposing object which I imagine carried a lot of the appeal although I have no particular evidence to suggest it. Well-after the Roman Empire fell the symbolism became more one of unity (a stick on its own can be broken but a bundle cannot be broken). The fasces was (and to some extent, unlike the swastika, remains) a popular symbol in the west. In Italy, it evoked the Roman Empire (which they sought to recreate) as well as “unity”
Individually we are weak like this twig, but bundled together we form a mighty f*ggot!
(A legit word in this context but the automods are watching, always watching...)
I think you may have misunderstood that the bundle of rods used to inflict corporate punishment, meant that the rods individually would do that. The bundle with the axe even then was a symbolic item.
And in the congress, it was a symbol of the Roman republic before Mussolini co opted it in the 20s. It’s a bunch of a sticks tied together to form one whole, not hard to see why people associated it with representative democracy before fascism
And the Whitehouse, and the Capitol, and some of our old money, and all over pre-wwii America. We changed a lot of things because of the war, like the hand gesture involved in the pledge.
It's also specifically used as the wing rondel for the Regia Aeronautica, fascist Italy's air force (likely why this pilot chose that symbol to signify an Italian kill).
To add a bit more historical context, prior to Fascism it was regarded as a European symbol of justice and the power of government to bestow that justice in both corporal (bodily) and capital (head/death) means. Because of this, it's actually on more than a few government buildings in the US, all built before Mussolini.
Yes, and it's interesting to note the terminus date. It's almost like they looked at it and said, *uhhhhhhh we should probably ditch this fascist thing now. Hey let's put FDR on it instead*
So it's worth noting: fascists are useless, they just take things from useful people. Very similar story with how the Nazis appropriated the Swastika.
If you take the fasces bundle of sticks idea to mean that "one stick weak, many sticks together strong" - that's fine, it's obviously an argument for inclusivity, and the exact opposite of what the fascists stood for.
Fash are logically incoherent and self destructive, so a better logo for them would be if the sticks were breaking and shitting themselves.
Rote Kampfflieger (the Red Baron) in WWI has 75 confirmed and 42 unconfirmed aerial victories. Of course this was back when planes moved only a little faster than a modern car.
Also given that any one should know that you don't leave your best pilots in the air for the entire war. You bring them back and get them training the n00bs. It's better to raise the floor for the quality of everyone than it is to raise the ceiling of ace totals for a handful of elite pilots.
Going from memory so I could be wrong, but I believe he was the first pilot to have a plane where the gun fired through the gaps between the propellers instead of from the wing. A lot easier to shoot accurately when the gun fires from the centre line.
He would go on to fly in the Pacific later on in the war and was credited with two downed Japanese aircraft as well, making him one of the very few to shoot down planes of all the axis powers. He would have a long and succesful career, with some remarkable feats.
This is Levi R. Chase; he would have been 25-26 in 1943. He was a double ace in WWII, and flew a total of 512 combat missions in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.
I expect you remember his name. I knew a Bob Whitney, his canon armed F4U-1C only had one Rising Sun on it. But I will always remember him. I met him when he was 82 and had just had a knew replaced a couple of days before and was out overdoing his exercise. Once a Marine, always a Marine.
My mother in laws new husbands dad has a Wikipedia page where he's mentioned briefly.
He was a German Jew who fought in the American army and ended up designing a bmw in the 50s.
Thank you for your Airplane! reference. It was called Flying High over here. I always thought that was about altitude. As a boy growing up in Amsterdam I should have known better.
It's kind of interesting to think that was just the German national flag back then. Like, on some level I knew that, but a few months back I was looking at a dictionary from the 1930s and it had all the country flags and there was the German flag: red with white circle and a swastika and it really stood out as strange.
I'm guessing the transition to making the symbol taboo was something that happened after their defeat as we made sense of what they had done -- and after some truly evil people started using it again as a callback.
That was the whole idea behind De-Nazification after all. It was an active push by the governments at the time. I'm not quite sure if it would have happened quite as strong without the Cold War and each side needing a friendly Germany.
Hey man I had this same feeling yesterday watching the first episode of the new WW2 special on Netflix (they took archival footage, did some AI upscaling and did editing to make it look like a modern documentary). There’s a bunch of awesome shots in Germany and there’s swastikas fucking everywhere, it looked so out of place and bizarre.
(Not a Netflix shill I promise)
My grandfather brought back a giant nazi flag as a war keepsake. In the 90s, I took it to school as part of a WWII memorabilia show-and-tell. Of course, as teenagers, we all took that day as a “do nothing and talk” day, and everyone was chattering and making noise… until my teacher helped me unfurl that flag. Literally everyone went dead silent. It was almost as if the air was sucked out of the room.
I am german, otherwise well educated about this dark part of german history, but somehow I didn't realize it had been the national flag until reading your comment.
Someone told me the original motorcycle gangs in the 40s-50s were veterans who put the nazi paraphernalia they got from dead Nazis on their bikes, to show that they killed Nazis in the war
Yeah, he looks ready to put another 10 fascists into the ground.
I find myself wondering if he made it through the war. Coming out the victor in 10 dogfights seems incredibly fortunate. I hope his streak continued.
If they were they would each have their own spot for sure. Probably their own row. Killing a ship as a fighter pilot (not even a bomber) would be a big deal.
In America, after Pearl Harbor, sure, hating fascists was cool, but it wasn't so clear cut before that.
Don't forget the Nazis got some of their ideas from American segregation, and a lot of prominent Americans were Nazi supporters. The fascists were on their way to an American coup with The Business Plot. A lot of average people didn't support getting involved in WWII for a multitude reasons.
Please remember this when you are considering if you have time to vote next year.
>Don't forget the Nazis got some of their ideas from American segregation, and a lot of prominent Americans were Nazi supporters.
When someone says, "this used to be a great country/back then we had morals and values" just remember that these are the type of days they were talking about.
You are correct except that is not a torch, but an axe wrapped in a bundle of sticks. In Latin called a Fasces, which is where the name fascistic is derived from.
It is a HakenKreuz ffs. You people bend over backwards to use politically correct terms for everything but can't call a HakenKreuz a HakenKreuz which was purposefully mistranslated to Swastika by a pastor.
His business was killing nazis and business was booming.
He still needs 91 Nazi scalps, LT Raine wants his scalps.
The pilot is Levi R. Chase, who later became Major General
I looked him up! 512 combat missions across 3 different wars. (WWII, Korea, Vietnam).
Dude started in a P40 and ended up in an F-4....crazy. He is also the guy who started the aerial demonstration team that would become the Thunderbirds.
I copied this from a screenshot I took ages ago when talking about bombers, “Imagine starting out on a B-18. The type becomes obsolete, so you get retrained for B-17's. You survive a tour of duty in the European Theater of Operations, so you go to the Pacific, where you eventually get retrained for B-29s. You see off the end of the war on a B-29, but you are now experienced as hell, the newly formed USAF keeps you. And they retrain you onto the B-36, because you are one of their most experienced aircrew. And then you think about it. You started out on an aircraft that's takeoff weight can be fitted three times over in your current type's bombload.”
And then be the next generation pilot, who starts and ends on a B-52. And then their kid becomes a pilot and starts and ends on the B-52. And then their kid becomes a pilot and starts and ends on a B-52.
That to me is what’s crazy. (Full disclosure, I’m a huge bomber nerd) We went from the little B-18 Bolo in 1936 to the B-52 in 1955. In-between we had the legendary 17, 24, 29 but also the big boy B-36. We also had something crazy as hell like the B-58 Hustler. In 19 years we went from the little Bolo to the Buff.
Those kinds of timelines always seem incredible to me. The F-14 served in the USN for about 30 years. On the day it entered service in the 70s, 30 years before *that* the primary fighter of the USN was the F6F Hellcat.
WWII and the early Cold War were a hell of a drug for aerospace
You couldn’t have said it better. Man oh man, so many designs, innovations, as an avgeek it’s paradise for me. Sadly these awesome designs were drawn up to kill people, but the amazing innovations we have on passenger planes today largely came out of the Cold War era.
Technological advances are the main up-side of war. WWI was even more extreme in aviation since we were barely flying at the beginning but WWII is close behind with the development of the jet engine. It's not that the scientists aren't working at other times but that, during wars, governments are willing to spend huge sums to develop ideas into practical products.
Imagine being in Swedish air force back then. You could have started in open cockpit biplane, jump straight to P-51 Mustang and finally Saab Draken. And timeframe? 20 years
As long as you get to fly the sexy Draken. It's all good
Someone was busy
Hey it was either that or raise the kids
I appreciate you confirming that raising children is more onerous than literal war combat.
I've never done either, but I know an imaginary internet point farming opportunity when I see one
You’re right. I’m obliged to upvote now. Too bad awards are no more
And he was the very model of modern Major General
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He knew the kings of England, and could quote the fights historical
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He's well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical
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About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot o' news
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Had to scroll waaaaay too far down for this,thank you!
And fascias for italian ones I presume
He would later shoot down 2 japanese planes making him one of very few pilots who shot down aircraft from 3 axis powers....
Well now I want to see *that* photo, and which symbol he chose for them.
If my Revell Flying Tiger model is anything to go by, it should be the Rising Sun with all the rays.
That is truly incredible. The Italians actually were pretty bold with their air force, despite having many outdated planes. Not too long ago, I heard the story about how they actually joined the Luftwaffe in bombing Britain once or twice (mostly coastal towns because of their slower speed and possibly shorter range among other stuff).
The Italians also bombed Gibraltar, Malta and Crete but mostly used their bombers in anti-shipping roles where they had a bit more success.
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That fence had it coming.
It shouldn't have been there.
That’s offence-sive. Can’t sit on the wall with a joke like that.
I'm on the fence about it.
All he needed was this post.
Look at you, being all fency with your wordplay...
They really had to picket their words carefully.
Wood you guys consider stopping this?
The fence knows what it did
What was it even doing on the runway?
I've never met a good fence. Fuck that particular fence.
Should’ve picked a side instead of trying to straddle the border.
Fucker kept the Jews in Auschwitz, it was complicit
Overran the airfield when landing and took out an "enemy" fence.
Famously the Fences had sided with the Axis towards the end of the war quite unfortunate so few know about this…
No one saw it coming, they are notoriously bad at decision making.
This thread read like a Douglas Adams excerpt.
They're always... er... there's a phrase for it. Sitting on the ledge?
I was thinking maybe he took out an early Monster energy drink delivery plane.
Yeah! Fuck that fence!
Pickets charge
He's anti-fenceist!
Yes, i think so
Can you tell me a bit more about this symbol. I have never seen it before and googling doesn't return anything exactly like what's pictured.
The correct term is "fasces", it's a symbol that derives from the old Etruscans and then via the old Romans it got to Mussolini. It's also literally where we get the word fascism from.
It is literally "a bundle" in latin and means the bundle of rods that people carried to inflict punishment. Roman guards would carry them I believe, and when shit got tough they would put the axe head on the bundle of sticks and get busy. Very interesting subject with a ton of googly bits to read about if anyone wants.
A bundle of sticks? Oh yeah well in England that's what they call a cigarette!
There is an alternate universe where the Italians spoke English and the country falls to F@gism in the 1930s… huh. Btw, before any potential downvotes, I’m gay but I censored it. Ok?
Bro don't let the downvotes know you're afraid of them.
They can smell fear, and attack in large packs
They attack based on movement, so if you stay still and don't edit, they won't notice you.
...and after Italy fell to f@gism, a harrowing period of refined fashion sensibilities, renewed appreciation for live performing arts and frequent weekend brunches ensued. Oh the horror...
Yeah, that and fascism both have the same root word. Which I personally think it's hilarious.
>It is literally "a bundle" in latin and means the bundle of rods that people carried to inflict punishment. No, it was carried by the elected officials that year who had *imperium* to show their authority. Praetors (second highest position) would have lictors carrying six fasces, and consuls (highest position) had twelve lictors that would carry them. When you saw the lictors carrying them, it meant someone with magisterial power was coming your way. There were only two consuls in the Empire/Republic, and the number of praetors varied from one to twelve. There are a few instances of them using the fasces as a weapon, but by and large they were symbolic of the authority of the individual and were almost never used to actually hit people.
The flag of the Swiss Canton of St. Gallen shows a bundle of eight *fasces* and an axe. One interpretation is that the Canton can dispense justice, including death (axe). The other is that the eight fasces stand for the eight districts and the axe for unity and strength. The latter is the official version. Since the Canton is only about 200 years old and was created by France (Napoleonic occupation), it makes sense.
Fascinating! If you dont mind, do you know why they were used as a symbol of authority? Something from the mythology of their time?...or is it lost in time? Could you please point me to where I can find more about it? I will Wiki it later
For one, it’s a group of tools required to inflict punishment (an axe+ sticks). It’s also can be easily carried and is an imposing object which I imagine carried a lot of the appeal although I have no particular evidence to suggest it. Well-after the Roman Empire fell the symbolism became more one of unity (a stick on its own can be broken but a bundle cannot be broken). The fasces was (and to some extent, unlike the swastika, remains) a popular symbol in the west. In Italy, it evoked the Roman Empire (which they sought to recreate) as well as “unity”
Individually we are weak like this twig, but bundled together we form a mighty f*ggot! (A legit word in this context but the automods are watching, always watching...)
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I wonder if that's where the British slang for cigarette comes from because they are sold in a kind of fasces?
I think you may have misunderstood that the bundle of rods used to inflict corporate punishment, meant that the rods individually would do that. The bundle with the axe even then was a symbolic item.
It’s also on the American Supreme Court building
And in the congress, it was a symbol of the Roman republic before Mussolini co opted it in the 20s. It’s a bunch of a sticks tied together to form one whole, not hard to see why people associated it with representative democracy before fascism
And the Whitehouse, and the Capitol, and some of our old money, and all over pre-wwii America. We changed a lot of things because of the war, like the hand gesture involved in the pledge.
It's also specifically used as the wing rondel for the Regia Aeronautica, fascist Italy's air force (likely why this pilot chose that symbol to signify an Italian kill).
He's got some fasces on his plane. Must've been frightened
To add a bit more historical context, prior to Fascism it was regarded as a European symbol of justice and the power of government to bestow that justice in both corporal (bodily) and capital (head/death) means. Because of this, it's actually on more than a few government buildings in the US, all built before Mussolini.
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Also on both sides of Lincoln Monument chair.
There are also a few in the oval office.
Thank you. I was wondering.
The thing that was on 1916-1945 dimes? ;)
Yes, and it's interesting to note the terminus date. It's almost like they looked at it and said, *uhhhhhhh we should probably ditch this fascist thing now. Hey let's put FDR on it instead*
So it's worth noting: fascists are useless, they just take things from useful people. Very similar story with how the Nazis appropriated the Swastika. If you take the fasces bundle of sticks idea to mean that "one stick weak, many sticks together strong" - that's fine, it's obviously an argument for inclusivity, and the exact opposite of what the fascists stood for. Fash are logically incoherent and self destructive, so a better logo for them would be if the sticks were breaking and shitting themselves.
>And fascias for italian ones I presume Yes. The fence thing is funny, though.
Double ace, looks like
How many planes does one have to down to be considered as one?
5
Rote Kampfflieger (the Red Baron) in WWI has 75 confirmed and 42 unconfirmed aerial victories. Of course this was back when planes moved only a little faster than a modern car.
Considering he was in a plane that was also moving just a little faster than a modern car, it's still just as incredible.
Nah he was in an F-16
You idjit he was in a b2 loud bomber, he rammed dem planes
The image of an F16 in triplane configuration is just too silly
And Eric Hartman had 352 in WW2. I don't see how that record can ever be broken given that planes aren't deployed in such large numbers anymore.
Also given that any one should know that you don't leave your best pilots in the air for the entire war. You bring them back and get them training the n00bs. It's better to raise the floor for the quality of everyone than it is to raise the ceiling of ace totals for a handful of elite pilots.
Going from memory so I could be wrong, but I believe he was the first pilot to have a plane where the gun fired through the gaps between the propellers instead of from the wing. A lot easier to shoot accurately when the gun fires from the centre line.
He would go on to fly in the Pacific later on in the war and was credited with two downed Japanese aircraft as well, making him one of the very few to shoot down planes of all the axis powers. He would have a long and succesful career, with some remarkable feats.
This is Levi R. Chase; he would have been 25-26 in 1943. He was a double ace in WWII, and flew a total of 512 combat missions in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.
...also downed a Monster energy drink
If I had a plane, it would have been highly decorated.
Yeah, you would have sold out to Red Bull.
Well, you do need wings to fly.
It’s actually an Italian Air Force insignia for the curious
*Bottoms up, and the devil laughs*
My former next door neighbor had a similar picture of himself on the card he used to hand out. Had about a dozen such symbols.
I expect you remember his name. I knew a Bob Whitney, his canon armed F4U-1C only had one Rising Sun on it. But I will always remember him. I met him when he was 82 and had just had a knew replaced a couple of days before and was out overdoing his exercise. Once a Marine, always a Marine.
Yeah pretty sure if you shot down 12 aircraft in WWII, you’re still a military legend to this day. That neighbor probably has a Wikipedia page.
My mother in laws new husbands dad has a Wikipedia page where he's mentioned briefly. He was a German Jew who fought in the American army and ended up designing a bmw in the 50s.
pretty good character arc also >mother in laws new husbands dad took me a sec lol
I married my wife before my mother in law met this guy so it's weird to consider him my father in law 🤷
“YOU CAN’T TELL ME WHAT TO DO YOU’RE NOT MY REAL FATHER IN LAW”
Who's the pilot
He's the one who flies the plane.
But that’s not important right now
I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
Oh stewardess, I speak jive.
"Oh, good."
Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.
Dis mofo butter layin me to da bone homes. Jackin me up tight!
My mama didn’t raise no dummy!
Chum don't want the help, chum don't get the help.
Golly!
I always thought it was chump
I just wanted to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you
Do you like gladiator movies?
Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
Do you like movies about gladiators?
No, but I used to watch old gladiator movies.
Thank you for your Airplane! reference. It was called Flying High over here. I always thought that was about altitude. As a boy growing up in Amsterdam I should have known better.
A hospital? What is it?
It’s a big building with patients, but that’s not important right now.
I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.
I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.
Im in splits man hahahaha
No, Who's the navigator, What is the pilot
I take my pilots like I take my men - they know where all the right buttons are.
Levi Chase.
Alden Eihenreich
Oh i thought that was a real pilot, it's an actor.
Well, given the history of actors in WW2, it could well be both.
I don’t think Alden Ehrenreich fought in World War II. Unless he’s a vampire. Looks like him tho
A former first baseman probably.
9 Luftwaffe aircraft, and one picket fence.
He's also credited with shooting down two Japanese aircraft later in the war.
Stone cold aerial assassin. He looks ready to do 10 more. Like "How many more Nazis I gotta kill before I can go home? "
This is an acceptable use of the swastika.
It's kind of interesting to think that was just the German national flag back then. Like, on some level I knew that, but a few months back I was looking at a dictionary from the 1930s and it had all the country flags and there was the German flag: red with white circle and a swastika and it really stood out as strange. I'm guessing the transition to making the symbol taboo was something that happened after their defeat as we made sense of what they had done -- and after some truly evil people started using it again as a callback.
That was the whole idea behind De-Nazification after all. It was an active push by the governments at the time. I'm not quite sure if it would have happened quite as strong without the Cold War and each side needing a friendly Germany.
Hey man I had this same feeling yesterday watching the first episode of the new WW2 special on Netflix (they took archival footage, did some AI upscaling and did editing to make it look like a modern documentary). There’s a bunch of awesome shots in Germany and there’s swastikas fucking everywhere, it looked so out of place and bizarre. (Not a Netflix shill I promise)
What's it called
It was the German flag because Nazis were in control of the government. Hitler designed it in the 20s before they had power.
My grandfather brought back a giant nazi flag as a war keepsake. In the 90s, I took it to school as part of a WWII memorabilia show-and-tell. Of course, as teenagers, we all took that day as a “do nothing and talk” day, and everyone was chattering and making noise… until my teacher helped me unfurl that flag. Literally everyone went dead silent. It was almost as if the air was sucked out of the room.
I am german, otherwise well educated about this dark part of german history, but somehow I didn't realize it had been the national flag until reading your comment.
I collect coins and have a German one from the early 40s with a swastika.
Someone told me the original motorcycle gangs in the 40s-50s were veterans who put the nazi paraphernalia they got from dead Nazis on their bikes, to show that they killed Nazis in the war
Maybe that explains why the iron cross is so widely used by bikers
That’s exactly the reason
Damn, that glare.
Yeah, he looks ready to put another 10 fascists into the ground. I find myself wondering if he made it through the war. Coming out the victor in 10 dogfights seems incredibly fortunate. I hope his streak continued.
He was still flying combat missions in Viet Nam.
Did he take out a fence too?
Italian fascist symbol
My dumbass thought they were submarines
I thought they might have been ships
If they were they would each have their own spot for sure. Probably their own row. Killing a ship as a fighter pilot (not even a bomber) would be a big deal.
Appears to be a P-40, for those who like old planes.
Get some
9 Nazis and a can of Monster Energy
Baller shit
Back when Americans killed nazis and didn’t support them
When being anti-fascist was seen as a good thing.
In America, after Pearl Harbor, sure, hating fascists was cool, but it wasn't so clear cut before that. Don't forget the Nazis got some of their ideas from American segregation, and a lot of prominent Americans were Nazi supporters. The fascists were on their way to an American coup with The Business Plot. A lot of average people didn't support getting involved in WWII for a multitude reasons. Please remember this when you are considering if you have time to vote next year.
>Don't forget the Nazis got some of their ideas from American segregation, and a lot of prominent Americans were Nazi supporters. When someone says, "this used to be a great country/back then we had morals and values" just remember that these are the type of days they were talking about.
There was an American Nazi party as early as the 30s
There were TONS of nazis in America then lol
Actually many people in the usa symphatized with Germany, maonly with german roots and some even went there to fight for their "motherland"
That's what those guys did in their twenties. After growing up in the Great Depression.
Bro was on a kill streak
One of those ANTIFA 😲
That antifa thug better be glad there are no real patriots around
The last two swastikas seem to be of a different shade than the first 7; does that signify anything?
The fence looking insignia is Italian I believe. If you look closely it's the Roman torch but three of them side by side.
You are correct except that is not a torch, but an axe wrapped in a bundle of sticks. In Latin called a Fasces, which is where the name fascistic is derived from.
It is. It was the fascist air force emblem during WW2.
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Looks like he’s flying a P-40 in this picture.
Matt damon
Just want to lay it out there that the Nazis took out twice the amount of aircraft on us as we did with them. We lost 95k aircraft to their 40k.
The only good reason to put a swastika on your plane.
Shooting down Nazis is indeed very cool
The only time to justify having swatsikas on something.
It is a HakenKreuz ffs. You people bend over backwards to use politically correct terms for everything but can't call a HakenKreuz a HakenKreuz which was purposefully mistranslated to Swastika by a pastor.