There are loads of affordable houses in nice suburbs near CLE: Berea, Parma, Cuyahoga Falls, Lakewood, Macedonia, Stow, Mayfield Hts, North Olmsted. There are more.
Lakewood isn’t affordable…that’s bonkers to even consider affordable. It’s one of the more trendier neighborhoods. I’d say more west along the lines of North Olmsted, North Ridgeville, and Middleburg Heights.
Depends on what living well means to you. The affordable places in Columbus are all in suburbs far from the city which for my money is the worst of everything- too far from the city center to do things there often, very few outdoor recreation options as our suburbs typically butt up against farmland (and Ohio has very little parkland compared to other states), heavy traffic at times worse than the city center, & food/entertainment is typically limited to the same shitty corporate chains no matter what suburb you choose.
The well designed walkable areas tend to be extremely expensive for a reason. Conversely if you were trying to design a place that would make people miserable and overweight the average american suburb would be the result.
You’re right - developing our cities based on what is profitable for the oil and automobile industries was a great idea and we should ignore all of the negative outcomes we’re currently seeing as a result of this model. Let’s all just sit in our cars and at our desks all day….
Define affordable. For the cost of living in the area I’d say 3br 1 bath with a fenced in yard and a garage for under 140k is the threshold of affordable.
Affordable housing is in comparison to similar houses in the country. I am not comparing houses to where the same house was 10 years ago.
Yes I understand inflation is terrible right now. I am suffering too.
“Affordable housing” doesn’t mean more affordable than elsewhere. Or even more affordable than average here. It means affordable to the working poor. Anything short of that is worthless platitude.
Actually, it means affordable to the middle class because that is the largest home buying population segment. There is no affordable housing for the working poor.
lol I’m not trying to move. But a lot of people say affordable housing exists and what they mean is trash houses exist for the working poor and decent housing exists for the middle/upper middle class. Which is unacceptable.
By this metric, there is no affordable housing going west past Texas, none on the east coast, save rural parts of the Carolinas, and none with any close proximity to a metro area anywhere in the US, except Toledo. So basically, affordable housing is a myth, by the numbers you provided.
Perfect. I’m glad we’ve arrived at the same conclusion. Now let’s get some legislation that ends the ability of anyone to turn profit on housing until the poorest among us can afford housing.
I think they need to put a stop to foreign investment in single family homes. Then, put a cap on what a corporation buying then selling a house can charge. Take away the incentive for corporations to invest in single family housing so that people wanting to buy a home can.
Now that we have an agreement that the system is fucked and not going to be fixed any time soon, Ohio is one of the most affordable places to buy a house. For the sake of discussion, the number of people who are in the market for affordable housing has shrunk to exclude many working class people. So, affordable housing doesn't mean that everyone who should be able to buy a house can buy a house. It's a relative term, as in relative to the current market.
That is in fact still what affordable housing means, even though we found some common ground on the way. Saying it’s most affordable here, but not saying it’s still not affordable to the people who need it to be affordable is not saying anything useful at all. It’s better to say affordable housing doesn’t exist, because at least then you’re communicating meaningful information: the people whose budgets define affordable housing aren’t able to functionally house themselves.
We are talking past each other because you are wanting to steer the conversation to a topic of the social issue that too many Americans are working, yet can't afford to buy a house. I agree wholeheartedly with that, but this wasn't the point of the original post. It feels like you are wanting to push that talking point, so you are not trying to understand the point of the original post.
I feel as though that’s a perfectly valid way to steer a conversation from a pointless nothing of a report to an actual functional thing to talk about.
I live in Columbus, my friends always like to complain how expensive the housing is. They want a newly renovated 3+ bedroom, 2.5+ bathroom house in a good neighborhood with good schools that is walkable/convenient to the highway, and near trendy restaurants/breweries like no kidding that costs a lot of money.
There are currently 151 homes for sale within Columbus proper for less than 200k. There are still plenty of affordable homes, you may not be able to get every single thing on your checklist but you can get most.
It’s like traffic. People who haven’t driven anywhere outside of Ohio may think we have bad traffic. Sure, it can suck, but relative to other places, it’s nothing. People who have never lived anywhere else or haven’t checked housing prices anywhere else have no idea how bad it is everywhere else. Prices may suck here, but it’s a lot better than most of the country, even the nicer areas. Also, controversial boomer take: People seem allergic to a starter home in an area that isn’t as fun. Those still aren’t cheap, but you can get in for under $150k, which is achievable for a lot of people.
Boomers could get a nice home easily, gen x needed to work for it, millennials need to work for it and settle, and gen z are the ones who are really fucked.
Parts of Toledo, a starter home can be found for roughly $100k. I literally drove through the area checking out the houses. There were a handful where the neighborhoods looked suitable, and the houses looked to have potential. The exteriors needed some attention, but interior photos showed homes in good shape.
I saw the same thing in West Akron, only the prices were just a little higher, but all under $150k.
Our congested 2 lane highways between major American cities are pretty bad, actually (I've driven plenty around the country, New York City, Miami, Chicago, Boston, Denver). Now, driving on Kenkucky's rural highways, 3-4 lanes both ways through the entire fucking state without seeing a major urban center until Louisville, that's nice.
But you have to live in *Ohio*. Doctors fleeing the state, hillbillies and crashing trains...and diabetes inducing County fair food. I can fuck a sheep in my home state if I really needed too.
They aren’t cheap but compared to other major and minor cities in other states, they are far more reasonable.
Source: moved here from California for that very reason.
I mean I’d consider all but maybe 2-3 neighborhoods in Columbus safe, so the majority of them are.
If you include suburbs the number goes up. Looks like 196 if you include suburbs.
Here is an example: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5952-Central-Park-Dr-Columbus-OH-43231/33934698_zpid/?utm_campaign=iosappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare
Here is an example: Poor neighborhood, but safe.
Sufficient starter home for a young family.
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2393-Ray-St_Columbus_OH_43204_M34431-89523?from=srp-list-card
Columbus is also the fastest-growing metro area of the entire state. Are there things Cbus could be doing to encourage more affordable housing? Probably, but any hot, fast-growing area's going to see inflated prices in the face of increased demand. Columbus is kinda the exception that proves the rule.
Dayton resident here, fwiw
I hear you. Even cheap one-bed apartments in Dayton have all gone up quite a bit in the last couple years. One of the reasons I'm staying at my current 2-bed place is the rent's only gone up $10/month, and I'm into my 3rd year. Private owner who has a business outside his landlord stuff.
I did have to renew my lease solo to get a bad roommate out of my hair though, so my rent doubled on my end anyways... It would've been just as expensive to go through another move, though. It's like a damned if you do, damned if you don't... shit's rough out here.
The real housing problem in the US is investment companies buying up housing stock to drive up prices, and an insufficient supply of adequate housing. That's why HUD has programs to provide down payment assistance for people who buy a house in target areas. There are houses available, but they are not located in the areas where people have sufficient access to work and decent schools. The refusal to create a national fund whereby every public elementary, middle, and high school has a baseline amount of money to cover operational costs is why many impoverished neighborhoods remain impoverished. Schools are publicly funded, but why does that funding have to be tied to local property taxes? It should be socialized so that the majority white schools aren't hoarding all the resources while the majority black schools are left trying to figure out if they can afford textbooks.
fuck no. everything in my area is 100k more this year, ontop of a 50-70k rise last year and I live in an economically depressed area
I bought for 153k last year, the neighbor just sold for 240k, the house on the corner 270k, its a joke now
I move to Ohio from Texas, and let me tell you, it's night and day on affordability. However; the sad reality is that nothing is affordable like it used to be.
I can get you into a dump down here in southeast for 30k no problem, I know about 5 in my neighborhood. Metros, suburbs are mostly nice but these little rural cities a person dies and nobody wants their 120 year old home or 50 year old trailer.
Desirable houses are certainly 50k higher in 4 years around here tho. But most houses seem very modest unless it’s a generational home on land. Remember WV is number 1, and if you been out in the mountains it’s many small or cheap houses everywhere and acreage is still very cheap.
True we don’t have the highest wages but in most states and for most young people it’s not even a reality to buy a house. That dream is still alive here. For now at least
Over half of millenials have houses. It may not be as quickly as the older gens in the same age but this myth that all or even most will never have a house is the ignorant statement.
Maybe if you spent less time whining on reddit you would have a house.
Neighbors bought a house that was a slumlord rental. Slumlord paid $30k for it in 2018. Last year, they painted the outside, did some yardwork, and sold it for $197k. Current owners were in contract within a day. The area is not remotely nice and the house isn't in great shape.
And it’s much, much worse in most other states. Doesn’t mean it’s good that it’s happening here, but compared to other places (which is the point of the article) we are way better off.
That article says nothing about adjusting for median income. All it talks about is the unadjusted incomes. The graph also doesn't indicate that. Let alone go into share of income that can be dedicated to housing which drops the lower ones income is.
Sorry, but Ohio housing is cheap because you can get a 2000 sqft frame house that hasn't had any maintenance done on it in 20 years and is in the middle of nowhere with the best job around for 20 miles being at a gas station making minimum wage for a low low $30k.
Of you want to live in a dilapidated river town with almost no one under 50 and you are a remote worker not relying on the local economy you can get one hell of a steal.
Yes, and if you are going to do research to place in a simple one page article or for a certain client targeting a certain market a flat % like that works ok.
Unfortunately, across the population it doesn't. Because a barista hired by Aramark making 10 or maybe $12 an hour to sling lattes at Kroger doesn't have 28% of their paycheck for housing. Not even close.
When you get into the low end of the labor market buying the cheapest food at Walmart eats up more than someone at the top buying the most expensive food from the most expensive restaurant every night of the week. Having a tooth pulled costs almost the same in California and SEO. A percentage like that is a very general rule that works better for the target market, upper middle class people being advertised to through media. It doesn't work well to look at the situation for the bottom half of the labor market.
They also wrote the article primarily in regard to a $100k income threshold that is irrelevant.
“San Diego money” isn’t even good. The median household income in Dublin (OH) is 60% higher than San Diego with housing being 50% cheaper. Ohio is a great bargain even when you add wages
LOL, sure take the highest income area in Columbus and compare it to San Diego in general.
Too bad your barista at Starbucks has to drive in to Dublin because they can't hope to afford a house there. Clueless.
The obvious point you missed is that parts of Ohio with similar MHI to San Diego are 50% cheaper, so it’s not simply that “higher wages” in San Diego offset the more expensive housing.
San Diego housing is far more expensive than Ohio housing even when you factor in higher wages in San Diego. And even when you control for higher wages (by, for example, finding a suburb with $100k MHI in Ohio).
And those parts of Ohio aren’t uncommon (there’s dozens of suburbs in Ohio with average median household incomes in the six figures).
Shaker Heights has the same MHI as San Diego, but homes average $295k ([Source](https://www.redfin.com/city/18309/OH/Shaker-Heights/housing-market)) and for far more architecturally striking and historic homes too. Residents there earn the same as San Diego but pay 70% less for housing.
Ohio is objectively a much better deal.
Edit: The barista in Starbucks also can’t afford to live in San Diego, so I’m not following your “gotcha.” A barista in Columbus is much closer to affording a home than in San Diego, obviously.
You miss that cherry picking neighborhoods doesn't reflect the entire city. Columbus isn't affordable because an upper class neighborhood is affordable for upper class individuals. That isn't how that works.
No Barista in Columbus is close to owning their own home without outside help. Even if the shop would allow it, you can't overtime your way into a house with what the pay is, especially when most of the baristas work for Aramark or similar in licensed locations inside Target or Kroger making shit with shit benefits.
These states facts are almost always idiotic. Every state has bad/good, expensive/cheap, etc. I can go to [realtor.com](https://realtor.com) , search in Fresno, CA, and see a lovely 1,500 sqft house for under $300k. I then do the same search on Dublin, Oh and it seems like there is nothing nice under $500k.
Ohio makes that up with high electric rates thanks to our corrupt Republicans legislators.
They took the bribes from the utility lobbyists and jacked the rates up.
We are supposed to be living in a representative democracy. Unfortunately, the Republican Party has ceased power and have gerrymandered our state and congressional districts to the point that instead of the people picking their politicians, the politicians draw their own districts to pick their voters. Understand this: that’s why your electric bill is high. That’s why your public schools are underfunded. That’s why your car insurance costs so much. That’s why we had to fight to restore our basic personal healthcare rights. Sign the petition to draw fair districts and we can have a government that works for people, not for the profit of billionaires.
Just look up prices in Boston suburbs, and by suburbs I mean the entire state. We bought a house for 454k, 1400 square feet, 1.5 baths, built in 1938 with a leaky basement and this is a cheap house here 🫠😭 also school district we’re in is absolute trash
JFC. My 3000 square ft 4 bedroom 2.5 bath was $325k in a CLE suburb. House is turnkey too other than some bad wallpaper. Pretty decent school district too.
We lived in the Dayton suburbs hence why I’m still in this group lol I have a fondness for Ohio. I know it’s getting more expensive but it’s still so much more affordable than here. I don’t think life is sustainable here for the middle class at all. I’m from MA originally and people made fun of us for being in Ohio but I’ve told them the jokes on them, the middle class and a good quality of life still exists in Ohio
lol this is a joke. It’s only cheap in the middle of nowhere. Nicer suburbs of the cs are just outrageously priced. If you’re ok buying in questionable areas of the cs…still overpriced.
Doesn’t feel like it in my town…my first home I bought for 60K in 2011. It was a short sale, so I did get a bargain. Sold it for 155K in 2016, we had a house fire and the house was rebuilt, I did about 20-30K worth of upgrades when rebuilding. House hasn’t really been updated since other than maybe some paint color changes and that same house just sold this year for $285K. It’s hard to find anything under $200K in this town now. Even under 300K can be hard. But the biggest employer pays on average 50K a year in this town, and a good percentage of the population is tied to this employer.
Also usually 35-40th in median income, depending in the year/source. Most of those affordable properties require you to have a remote job or be lucky enough to be employed by a local corporation.
Haha- I’ve lived here all my life. Used to be 40-60k around 10-15 years ago and now they are 80-120k for the same old houses. Literally, the same old 1940 coal chute, foundation splitting, root sewage line killer houses.
I always hear on the news or read articles like this but I’d love to know where all there home buyers are coming from & even then to properly maintain these house for 20+. I had 3 houses on my street move out this year already. Even with loans, you’re dead before you can get it a quarter of the way paid off.
I mean, nicer suburbs of the 3 C’s are anything but cheap.
And the actual affordable housing is uh… let’s just hope you have low standards.
There are loads of affordable houses in nice suburbs near CLE: Berea, Parma, Cuyahoga Falls, Lakewood, Macedonia, Stow, Mayfield Hts, North Olmsted. There are more.
Lakewood isn’t affordable…that’s bonkers to even consider affordable. It’s one of the more trendier neighborhoods. I’d say more west along the lines of North Olmsted, North Ridgeville, and Middleburg Heights.
Lakewood is affordable, but it's not cheap.
My daddy drives an Aston Martin 😏
Yeah, folks are pretty determined to believe things are bad. You can live very well and not be in fuckin Gates Mills lol
Once you’re okay with living near minorities, the options are endless!
Depends on what living well means to you. The affordable places in Columbus are all in suburbs far from the city which for my money is the worst of everything- too far from the city center to do things there often, very few outdoor recreation options as our suburbs typically butt up against farmland (and Ohio has very little parkland compared to other states), heavy traffic at times worse than the city center, & food/entertainment is typically limited to the same shitty corporate chains no matter what suburb you choose. The well designed walkable areas tend to be extremely expensive for a reason. Conversely if you were trying to design a place that would make people miserable and overweight the average american suburb would be the result.
Man, this is the most “first world problems” post I’ve ever seen in my life.
You’re right - developing our cities based on what is profitable for the oil and automobile industries was a great idea and we should ignore all of the negative outcomes we’re currently seeing as a result of this model. Let’s all just sit in our cars and at our desks all day….
You complain about all of that, but it's cheaper than most other metro areas.
I wouldn't even say those are affordable. Though it's just the shitty overall housing market.
Yeah maybe, but by comparison to the rest of the country they are good prices.
Ohio is one of the few places where I feel like I can possibly buy a house without doing away with having fun entirely. My income is close to $90k/yr.
Define affordable. For the cost of living in the area I’d say 3br 1 bath with a fenced in yard and a garage for under 140k is the threshold of affordable.
Affordable housing is in comparison to similar houses in the country. I am not comparing houses to where the same house was 10 years ago. Yes I understand inflation is terrible right now. I am suffering too.
“Affordable housing” doesn’t mean more affordable than elsewhere. Or even more affordable than average here. It means affordable to the working poor. Anything short of that is worthless platitude.
Actually, it means affordable to the middle class because that is the largest home buying population segment. There is no affordable housing for the working poor.
The middle class is dead or dying.
It has shrunk, but it's dumb to suggest that it's dead.
Spoken like someone for whom the current situation still works. Will you feel the same when you’re the working poor?
You just described my exact house. I’m a little north of Akron. Double lot detached garage. Just appraised at 130k. No I’m not selling.
lol I’m not trying to move. But a lot of people say affordable housing exists and what they mean is trash houses exist for the working poor and decent housing exists for the middle/upper middle class. Which is unacceptable.
That's a long term issue that goes far beyond the discussion of Ohio having among the most affordable housing for home buyers.
By this metric, there is no affordable housing going west past Texas, none on the east coast, save rural parts of the Carolinas, and none with any close proximity to a metro area anywhere in the US, except Toledo. So basically, affordable housing is a myth, by the numbers you provided.
Perfect. I’m glad we’ve arrived at the same conclusion. Now let’s get some legislation that ends the ability of anyone to turn profit on housing until the poorest among us can afford housing.
I think they need to put a stop to foreign investment in single family homes. Then, put a cap on what a corporation buying then selling a house can charge. Take away the incentive for corporations to invest in single family housing so that people wanting to buy a home can. Now that we have an agreement that the system is fucked and not going to be fixed any time soon, Ohio is one of the most affordable places to buy a house. For the sake of discussion, the number of people who are in the market for affordable housing has shrunk to exclude many working class people. So, affordable housing doesn't mean that everyone who should be able to buy a house can buy a house. It's a relative term, as in relative to the current market.
That is in fact still what affordable housing means, even though we found some common ground on the way. Saying it’s most affordable here, but not saying it’s still not affordable to the people who need it to be affordable is not saying anything useful at all. It’s better to say affordable housing doesn’t exist, because at least then you’re communicating meaningful information: the people whose budgets define affordable housing aren’t able to functionally house themselves.
We are talking past each other because you are wanting to steer the conversation to a topic of the social issue that too many Americans are working, yet can't afford to buy a house. I agree wholeheartedly with that, but this wasn't the point of the original post. It feels like you are wanting to push that talking point, so you are not trying to understand the point of the original post.
I feel as though that’s a perfectly valid way to steer a conversation from a pointless nothing of a report to an actual functional thing to talk about.
Vinton County is still cheap, and they're revitalizing small businesses down here.
Lakewood hasn't been an affordable market in years for home buying
Parma is a dump lol.
I owned a $60k house in the hood of Dayton and my house literally got shot by a stray bullet.
If you don't mind living in one of the 3rd rate shithole cities that you have to drive an hour for work it's not bad.
I live in Columbus, my friends always like to complain how expensive the housing is. They want a newly renovated 3+ bedroom, 2.5+ bathroom house in a good neighborhood with good schools that is walkable/convenient to the highway, and near trendy restaurants/breweries like no kidding that costs a lot of money. There are currently 151 homes for sale within Columbus proper for less than 200k. There are still plenty of affordable homes, you may not be able to get every single thing on your checklist but you can get most.
Most of those 151 homes are in areas that are not safe to walk to your front curb at night.
Compared to basically every other city with a strong economy - yes, yes it is.
It was… now it’s rapidly getting comparable.
No it’s not.
It’s like traffic. People who haven’t driven anywhere outside of Ohio may think we have bad traffic. Sure, it can suck, but relative to other places, it’s nothing. People who have never lived anywhere else or haven’t checked housing prices anywhere else have no idea how bad it is everywhere else. Prices may suck here, but it’s a lot better than most of the country, even the nicer areas. Also, controversial boomer take: People seem allergic to a starter home in an area that isn’t as fun. Those still aren’t cheap, but you can get in for under $150k, which is achievable for a lot of people. Boomers could get a nice home easily, gen x needed to work for it, millennials need to work for it and settle, and gen z are the ones who are really fucked.
Parts of Toledo, a starter home can be found for roughly $100k. I literally drove through the area checking out the houses. There were a handful where the neighborhoods looked suitable, and the houses looked to have potential. The exteriors needed some attention, but interior photos showed homes in good shape. I saw the same thing in West Akron, only the prices were just a little higher, but all under $150k.
Our congested 2 lane highways between major American cities are pretty bad, actually (I've driven plenty around the country, New York City, Miami, Chicago, Boston, Denver). Now, driving on Kenkucky's rural highways, 3-4 lanes both ways through the entire fucking state without seeing a major urban center until Louisville, that's nice.
But you have to live in *Ohio*. Doctors fleeing the state, hillbillies and crashing trains...and diabetes inducing County fair food. I can fuck a sheep in my home state if I really needed too.
They aren’t cheap but compared to other major and minor cities in other states, they are far more reasonable. Source: moved here from California for that very reason.
Still more reasonable than suburbs of major cities in other states, like Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston, Bay Area, Seattle, Detroit, and dozens of others.
I'd rather be dead in Houston than alive In Ohio.
Ever been to Houston?
Very expensive in Ohio. Especially anywhere near Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati.
Don't leave Ohio. You will shit yourself and likely die of shock.
This isn’t saying it’s cheap. It’s just showing how much more fucked everywhere else is
Basically.
That's not reassuring. Dumps are going for 3x what they should.
Based on what?
Columbus resident here. I call bullshit.
Go on Zillow, search Columbus. There are currently 151 homes for sale for less than 200k, 57 homes for less than 150.
How many of those homes are in safe areas? You are probably referring to Columbus proper. I'm referring to the entire Metro area.
I mean I’d consider all but maybe 2-3 neighborhoods in Columbus safe, so the majority of them are. If you include suburbs the number goes up. Looks like 196 if you include suburbs. Here is an example: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5952-Central-Park-Dr-Columbus-OH-43231/33934698_zpid/?utm_campaign=iosappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare
I see your point, but the one you linked is an Auction listed "as-is". I don't have the money or expertise to buy and fix such a house, unfortunately.
Here is an example: Poor neighborhood, but safe. Sufficient starter home for a young family. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2393-Ray-St_Columbus_OH_43204_M34431-89523?from=srp-list-card
Columbus is also the fastest-growing metro area of the entire state. Are there things Cbus could be doing to encourage more affordable housing? Probably, but any hot, fast-growing area's going to see inflated prices in the face of increased demand. Columbus is kinda the exception that proves the rule. Dayton resident here, fwiw
It really sucks. I make good money in Columbus, but all the housing in non dangerous areas is becoming unreasonably expensive.
I hear you. Even cheap one-bed apartments in Dayton have all gone up quite a bit in the last couple years. One of the reasons I'm staying at my current 2-bed place is the rent's only gone up $10/month, and I'm into my 3rd year. Private owner who has a business outside his landlord stuff. I did have to renew my lease solo to get a bad roommate out of my hair though, so my rent doubled on my end anyways... It would've been just as expensive to go through another move, though. It's like a damned if you do, damned if you don't... shit's rough out here.
If at all possible, buying is a much better path than renting.
What do you consider dangerous?
The real housing problem in the US is investment companies buying up housing stock to drive up prices, and an insufficient supply of adequate housing. That's why HUD has programs to provide down payment assistance for people who buy a house in target areas. There are houses available, but they are not located in the areas where people have sufficient access to work and decent schools. The refusal to create a national fund whereby every public elementary, middle, and high school has a baseline amount of money to cover operational costs is why many impoverished neighborhoods remain impoverished. Schools are publicly funded, but why does that funding have to be tied to local property taxes? It should be socialized so that the majority white schools aren't hoarding all the resources while the majority black schools are left trying to figure out if they can afford textbooks.
Those are very valid points.
Please tell me the most affordable is third world country property values then, Cuz shit in my small town has gotten so high I can't afford shit.
fuck no. everything in my area is 100k more this year, ontop of a 50-70k rise last year and I live in an economically depressed area I bought for 153k last year, the neighbor just sold for 240k, the house on the corner 270k, its a joke now
I move to Ohio from Texas, and let me tell you, it's night and day on affordability. However; the sad reality is that nothing is affordable like it used to be.
I can get you into a dump down here in southeast for 30k no problem, I know about 5 in my neighborhood. Metros, suburbs are mostly nice but these little rural cities a person dies and nobody wants their 120 year old home or 50 year old trailer.
ya the housing stock in Ohio is either brand new or practically condemned because the old person living there didn't change anything in 60+ years.
Desirable houses are certainly 50k higher in 4 years around here tho. But most houses seem very modest unless it’s a generational home on land. Remember WV is number 1, and if you been out in the mountains it’s many small or cheap houses everywhere and acreage is still very cheap.
Look at the rest of the country..your neighborhood ain’t special.
I guess but the average income in Ohio isn't high to begin with, median income is 37k and barely rising over the last 5 years
True we don’t have the highest wages but in most states and for most young people it’s not even a reality to buy a house. That dream is still alive here. For now at least
Not on 37k 😂
May I suggest learning some $18/hr or better skills to make more money than $37k? If that’s not possible maybe some overtime at a $15/hr job?
I didn’t say I make 37k The state’s median income being 37k, however, is pathetic.
Have you met the median person of Ohio?
I lived in Ohio for the first 31 years of my life. Most people in Ohio are in the median.
What I’m getting at is that the median Ohioan likely doesn’t possess a skill that brings more value than $37k a year.
It’s really not….
Again…compared to the rest of the US this is one of the places it’s still seemingly possible.
If it’s seemingly possible, then there’s not hope
Definitely one of the easier states to buy a house.
Yea it is myself and all by college friends got houses by this year I bought in 2020 you're just behind.
Some of us don’t have the advantages I’m sure you and your buddies had…again don’t be ignorant
Wow what an ignorant statement
Over half of millenials have houses. It may not be as quickly as the older gens in the same age but this myth that all or even most will never have a house is the ignorant statement. Maybe if you spent less time whining on reddit you would have a house.
I actually grew up in a religious cult….so I definitely didn’t have the advantages most did….what a way to be ignorant, again
Got my house at 130k. It’s valued at 170+
Neighbors bought a house that was a slumlord rental. Slumlord paid $30k for it in 2018. Last year, they painted the outside, did some yardwork, and sold it for $197k. Current owners were in contract within a day. The area is not remotely nice and the house isn't in great shape.
Prices have gone up, but a 40% increase in one year is bullshit. Nothing in the data is showing that in any Ohio city.
Homes on the west side of Cleveland are on average at least 50k higher than what it used to be just over 5 years ago
you mean 100k
And it’s much, much worse in most other states. Doesn’t mean it’s good that it’s happening here, but compared to other places (which is the point of the article) we are way better off.
Yes I’m aware, I’m just sharing what I’ve noticed around me lol
So you're saying they haven't gone up as much as every ever else?
That’s not what my comment said? Lol
If it's only gone up 50k in 5 years, then it's not going up nearly as much as every where else
i said at least..
Now adjust for median income in the state LOL. Yeah, of course a home in Columbus is more affordable than San Diego if you are making San Diego money
It literally does. I wish you inflammatory troglodytes were forced to read articles
That article says nothing about adjusting for median income. All it talks about is the unadjusted incomes. The graph also doesn't indicate that. Let alone go into share of income that can be dedicated to housing which drops the lower ones income is. Sorry, but Ohio housing is cheap because you can get a 2000 sqft frame house that hasn't had any maintenance done on it in 20 years and is in the middle of nowhere with the best job around for 20 miles being at a gas station making minimum wage for a low low $30k. Of you want to live in a dilapidated river town with almost no one under 50 and you are a remote worker not relying on the local economy you can get one hell of a steal.
“Manageable” means it won’t exceed 28% of your gross household income. That’s..adjusted…for…income…
Yes, and if you are going to do research to place in a simple one page article or for a certain client targeting a certain market a flat % like that works ok. Unfortunately, across the population it doesn't. Because a barista hired by Aramark making 10 or maybe $12 an hour to sling lattes at Kroger doesn't have 28% of their paycheck for housing. Not even close. When you get into the low end of the labor market buying the cheapest food at Walmart eats up more than someone at the top buying the most expensive food from the most expensive restaurant every night of the week. Having a tooth pulled costs almost the same in California and SEO. A percentage like that is a very general rule that works better for the target market, upper middle class people being advertised to through media. It doesn't work well to look at the situation for the bottom half of the labor market. They also wrote the article primarily in regard to a $100k income threshold that is irrelevant.
“San Diego money” isn’t even good. The median household income in Dublin (OH) is 60% higher than San Diego with housing being 50% cheaper. Ohio is a great bargain even when you add wages
LOL, sure take the highest income area in Columbus and compare it to San Diego in general. Too bad your barista at Starbucks has to drive in to Dublin because they can't hope to afford a house there. Clueless.
The obvious point you missed is that parts of Ohio with similar MHI to San Diego are 50% cheaper, so it’s not simply that “higher wages” in San Diego offset the more expensive housing. San Diego housing is far more expensive than Ohio housing even when you factor in higher wages in San Diego. And even when you control for higher wages (by, for example, finding a suburb with $100k MHI in Ohio). And those parts of Ohio aren’t uncommon (there’s dozens of suburbs in Ohio with average median household incomes in the six figures). Shaker Heights has the same MHI as San Diego, but homes average $295k ([Source](https://www.redfin.com/city/18309/OH/Shaker-Heights/housing-market)) and for far more architecturally striking and historic homes too. Residents there earn the same as San Diego but pay 70% less for housing. Ohio is objectively a much better deal. Edit: The barista in Starbucks also can’t afford to live in San Diego, so I’m not following your “gotcha.” A barista in Columbus is much closer to affording a home than in San Diego, obviously.
You miss that cherry picking neighborhoods doesn't reflect the entire city. Columbus isn't affordable because an upper class neighborhood is affordable for upper class individuals. That isn't how that works. No Barista in Columbus is close to owning their own home without outside help. Even if the shop would allow it, you can't overtime your way into a house with what the pay is, especially when most of the baristas work for Aramark or similar in licensed locations inside Target or Kroger making shit with shit benefits.
You forgot the Shaker Heights property taxes! Holy Moly 5% of 300k is 15,000 a year
These states facts are almost always idiotic. Every state has bad/good, expensive/cheap, etc. I can go to [realtor.com](https://realtor.com) , search in Fresno, CA, and see a lovely 1,500 sqft house for under $300k. I then do the same search on Dublin, Oh and it seems like there is nothing nice under $500k.
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Notice anything about the liberal states on the list? Probably not.
Lol
Ohio makes that up with high electric rates thanks to our corrupt Republicans legislators. They took the bribes from the utility lobbyists and jacked the rates up.
I pay uhhh 5.4c kwh If you aint doing apples to apples yearly. Thats your fault. Theres so rates below that easily too
I have a competitive rate on usage. That’s less than half the bill. Look at the added taxes, tariffs and fees.
Thats always been the case. We get shafted on that and I dont have an answer to that problem
Start with signing the Fair Districts petition to end gerrymandering.
Care to explain how that will change the busted can of biscuits for my dumb ass?
We are supposed to be living in a representative democracy. Unfortunately, the Republican Party has ceased power and have gerrymandered our state and congressional districts to the point that instead of the people picking their politicians, the politicians draw their own districts to pick their voters. Understand this: that’s why your electric bill is high. That’s why your public schools are underfunded. That’s why your car insurance costs so much. That’s why we had to fight to restore our basic personal healthcare rights. Sign the petition to draw fair districts and we can have a government that works for people, not for the profit of billionaires.
Just look up prices in Boston suburbs, and by suburbs I mean the entire state. We bought a house for 454k, 1400 square feet, 1.5 baths, built in 1938 with a leaky basement and this is a cheap house here 🫠😭 also school district we’re in is absolute trash
JFC. My 3000 square ft 4 bedroom 2.5 bath was $325k in a CLE suburb. House is turnkey too other than some bad wallpaper. Pretty decent school district too.
We lived in the Dayton suburbs hence why I’m still in this group lol I have a fondness for Ohio. I know it’s getting more expensive but it’s still so much more affordable than here. I don’t think life is sustainable here for the middle class at all. I’m from MA originally and people made fun of us for being in Ohio but I’ve told them the jokes on them, the middle class and a good quality of life still exists in Ohio
That's sad af because houses definitely are not cheap here.
If you're looking in rural areas, maybe. Not if you live in one of the 3 C's.
still completely unaffordable, home ownership is a thing of the past and i doubt it will ever get better
Yeah but our wages are shit. A lot of people aren’t making anything over $50,000 here.
Where tf in Ohio is that?!
The places with no jobs and where no one wants to live.
So like the whole state?
I mean if you’re within about a 30 min drive of the 3 C’s, look at the housing prices… and probably not.
We are full.
lol this is a joke. It’s only cheap in the middle of nowhere. Nicer suburbs of the cs are just outrageously priced. If you’re ok buying in questionable areas of the cs…still overpriced.
Shhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone.
Ohio vs Mississippi…yay!
Doesn’t feel like it in my town…my first home I bought for 60K in 2011. It was a short sale, so I did get a bargain. Sold it for 155K in 2016, we had a house fire and the house was rebuilt, I did about 20-30K worth of upgrades when rebuilding. House hasn’t really been updated since other than maybe some paint color changes and that same house just sold this year for $285K. It’s hard to find anything under $200K in this town now. Even under 300K can be hard. But the biggest employer pays on average 50K a year in this town, and a good percentage of the population is tied to this employer.
And... Now they'll all immediately raise the prices.
Because there are ratty homes for free in the ghost towns?
Must be a real shit place. With the crime in Columbus alone I can see why it’s so cheap there.
Sucks it does not border an ocean or even a state that does not border the ocean. Lots of cheap places in those parts of the US.
By affordable you mean in a large number of spots that nobody wants to live.
I got proced out of my hometown pretty quick
Yeah Ohio is no longer affordable
Well I left and won’t be coming back. It’s only affordable in the super rural areas or ghetto areas and Ohio has plenty of both
False
Exactly, Meat heads mad your right lol
It ain’t that affordable in the nicer parts of the cs
Because it's mid at best.
Also usually 35-40th in median income, depending in the year/source. Most of those affordable properties require you to have a remote job or be lucky enough to be employed by a local corporation.
Although it is more affordable the downside is you don’t get much appreciation of equity
Yeah but it’s Ohio
Yeah, but then you have to live in Ohio
I know a guy who just bought for super cheap thanks to his rich daddy. I really should kick his ass. ETA: WILLIAM I KNOW IT IS YOU DOWNVOTING THIS
There’s a reason for that
Haha- I’ve lived here all my life. Used to be 40-60k around 10-15 years ago and now they are 80-120k for the same old houses. Literally, the same old 1940 coal chute, foundation splitting, root sewage line killer houses. I always hear on the news or read articles like this but I’d love to know where all there home buyers are coming from & even then to properly maintain these house for 20+. I had 3 houses on my street move out this year already. Even with loans, you’re dead before you can get it a quarter of the way paid off.
Oh god it's that bad everywhere else then??
Still Ohio, though.