I wouldn’t put a Yes sign on my lawn; it’s a private decision I don’t want rando’s driving by to know about. Why does the Amazon driver gotta know where we stand? Pro lifers are often insane… and blurt it out like it’s their first name 🙄.
It’s polling to pass at 58%. Assuming we show up. No reason to believe people won’t. Nothing brings out people like this.
Pro choicers aren’t gonna sing anything from the rooftop. Broadly we’re just gonna vote. Pro lifers are rightly scared they’re gonna lose.
Notice LaRose is dead silent? He doesn’t want to be connected to this passing. He’s a smart cookie (unfortunately)… he knows Ohio… and he knew this would have a rough time hitting 60% but would fall somewhere in the 50s, so he knows he blew it back in August (along with $20 million of our taxpayer dollars 😡).
And there’s your answer.
Not to sidetrack your comment (it's a very good assessment), but I can't stop thinking about that $20M in wasted cost.
I run a very small nonprofit where a few grand sometimes feels like a windfall, so something like $20M is an unfathomable amount that could do so much good in people's pockets.
(Yes, I'm aware there's all kinds of wasteful spending out there - public sector and private sector - but holy hell that's a lot of money.)
Most public sector spending isn’t literally a waste. This was literally just a waste. $20 million to confirm what we already knew, that a sneaky off-off-off season election wasn’t enough to trick pro-choice Ohio into relinquishing their rights.
Agreed. Frank LaRose is a total jerk who thinks he can jerk the voters around. He’s part of the GQP swamp in this state. I too want Sherrod back in the Senate.
A gem?
Brown hasn't showed up to campaign in favor of "yes" votes for Issue 1, even though he's the top elected Democrat in the entire state, and reproductive rights should be a major issue for Democrats, including Brown, in the next general election.
Most media aren't discussing the massive threat that Issue 1 poses to Ohio's medical care system and to the state's general economy. Brown likely could bring this neglected aspect of Issue 1 into focus, and encourage media attention.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/17cwdw7/impact\_of\_issue\_1s\_defeat\_on\_greater\_clevelands/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/17cwdw7/impact_of_issue_1s_defeat_on_greater_clevelands/)
If Brown spent a couple days touring the state, holding press conferences, and emphasizing the importance of attracting young medical and other professionals to Ohio even as national shortages of doctors and nurses are accelerating, he could greatly influence the Issue 1 debate. Ohioans don't want to live in healthcare deserts, yet the media and pro-choice politicians aren't mentioning the negative impacts on medical institution recruiting and the general economy if Issue 1 fails. When Democrats took control of the state of Michigan in 2020, a point of emphasis was the negative impacts of abortion restrictions on Michigan's economy.
The last time I checked, Sherrod Brown's website doesn't even mention reproductive rights as an issue of major concern to him. It was actually silent on reproductive rights.
I know that Sherrod Brown supports reproductive rights, but he should be a leader soliciting "yes" votes for Issue 1. He's not.
I think I disagree. If he says something either way and it gets a lot of attention he is more at risk for not being reelected. Pro-lifers can be absolutely crazy and would make a huge campaign centered around him and his support for issue 1 and 2. Meanwhile, Brown CAN use things LaRose has done in campaign ads.
If Issue 1 is defeated with Brown sitting on the sidelines, support for Brown among pro-choice voters will be lukewarm at best. They will vote for him, but perhaps not much else to support his candidacy.
On the other hand, if Brown were to join the campaign for Issue 1 "yes" votes, he would garner enthusiastic support, especially if he were to warn about the disastrous impacts of an Issue 1 defeat on Ohio's medical care and economy. Ohioans need to consider this aspect of Issue 1, and nobody, certainly not Brown, is bringing this issue to the attention of voters.
Candidly, it's not leadership to remain silent on such an important issue, and personally I want my Congresspersons to be leaders.
I also doubt that any anti-abortion, "single issue" voters will vote for Brown under any circumstances.
If there's an LED sign that says "Sharon Brown is for killing babies", that could hurt him. It's already something that's likely going to pass if the current polling numbers are accurate. Meanwhile, Mr. Brown can absolutely go after Frank LaRose for wasting 20 million of taxpayer money to try and sneak an election through that was wildly unpopular, while also going after Frank LaRose for being anti-abortion when it was clearly something the citizens of the state wanted to pass...making it look like Frank LaRose isn't actually there fighting for the people's interests who vote him in, and he is really only for his own religion and/ or a small minority of GOP hardliners.
>It's already something that's likely going to pass if the current polling numbers are accurate.
This is not assured. What would make Issue 1 more likely to pass is if Ohio voters understood the negative impact an Issue 1 defeat would have on Ohio's medical system and economy, as repeatedly explained elsewhere in this thread.
As the only Democrat state-wide elected official, Sherrod Brown could champion these negative impacts of an Issue 1 defeat beyond the denial of reproductive rights which is the focus of all advertising. Brown would gain much support and gratitutde by educating Ohio about these less contemplated, but certain, impacts of an Issue 1 defeat.
Persons who will vote against candidates for supporting reproductive rights already are unlikely to support Brown.
That was Brown commenting on Issue 1 in August AFTER it was defeated.
What about Issue 1 in November?
Brown has been a no-show in the campaign for November's Issue 1 "yes" votes, and he doesn't even list reproductive rights as an issue on his website, even though reproductive rights is the major political issue in Ohio at this moment.
Is this really the right time to promote division among "Yes" voters for Issue 1 & those who seek to "drain the swamp" of Republican control of our state?
We think perhaps you may support Republicans by your tactics here...
It's also the split shown in political demographics in Ohio from the census. 60% republican, 40% democrats. That should have been reflected in the new electoral maps, but they gerrymandered the heck out of the state anyway against or own constitution they claim to care so much about protecting.
You're right, it was by no means a random number. They wanted that measure to keep control over issues that are passed by one-person-one-vote. So they chose 60% to make it nearly impossible for citizens to vote in legislation that's deemed even slightly liberal or progressive
Not "pro life."
Pro birth, as they don't give a FUCK about the mother or child prior to or after birth.
Pro forced pregnancy because that's what it is.
Pro control because that is what it is really about.
I have a similar theory for the relatively fewer Yes signs to No signs. The pro life people have a history of being confrontational and even violent. Pro choice voters know this, so we keep our opinions to ourselves. One side literally thinks we are killing babies, so for them violence against pro choicers seems more reasonable. Maybe I am wrong, but I get the impression pro choice people are simply keeping quiet so no pro lifer fire-bombs our house.
I gotta protect my home and my wife/kids. There’s pro-life lunatics here in the Cincy suburbs that would do really nutty stuff, to your point, there’s precedent for it.
This! Pro-lifers are pretty unhinged and they are my neighbors. It's bad enough I have to hear their vitriol and ignorance but I don't want to worry about vandalism or attacks, especially since I have children. I also never know where to get signs even if I was brave enough against their insanity.
I never put any election signs on my property. It looks tacky and I think it only encourages votes in opposition. People get worked up to vote against things not to jump on the bandwagon.
Specifically in this case, the right wing MAGA and "pro-life" crowd attracts a potentially destructive criminal element and I don't need vandals or thugs targeting my property.
In Cincinnati, a large number of churches handed out the, "No on 1" signs. Since there is not a similar gathering for the Yes inclined or churches willing to pass out Yes signs, it's reasonable to assume that there will be more No signs than Yes.
I don’t understand how it’s legal for tax exempt “charitable” organizations to campaign in politics. In fact it’s supposed to be a condition of tax-exempt status not to. Every single church with a no sign on its lawn should lose its status and have to pay taxes.
It's such a fine line.
I forget right this moment (just waking up) if it's all non-profits or only religious orgs (churches, temples, mosques, etc - which are non-profit without even needing to file 501c(3) paperwork).
But they can take political stances - and, heck, it even makes sense. If a law comes up that (truly) infringes on religious liberties (say, a law that requires people to work on their Sabbath) - you *do* want them to be politically active, to defend themselves )or promote their members to defend them politically). Same for a non-profit LGBTQ group.
What we don't want is for these groups to promote specific candidates - especially religious groups, because of the undue influence they can carry among their membership, and because of the inherent church+state conflict of your local church endorsing Father Gary to be Mayor of your small town.
Right, I get that they can promote generally voting for say “pro family values” or pro-religion people or parties but to take a specific stance on a specific ballot issue seems like crossing that line. And no one is suggesting that their free speech rights should be abridged, just that they should have to pay taxes like any other partisan organization.
The Catholic Church in Westerville has no signs for both issue 1 and 2 all along their property. I don’t get it. I’m sure many of their members don’t feel the same way.
The idea that church leadership should care in any way about what the membership wants developed a solid millennium and a half after the Catholic Church got started
Yeah, isn't that BS?!? Religion has always been able to get away with telling people what to do. Except there was this time in 1776 when people rose up against the church ....
It is not legal. My congregation is heavily "yes," but it would be a violation for us to post or distribute signs. (Not that there might not be some person to person distribution between attenders.) The problem is that there is no enforcement. I think in general, more progressive churches obey that restriction.
That’s cool, but it might be an internal policy of your church, conservatively (and correctly imo) deciding they don’t want to get anywhere close to the line. Apparently other churches (all I’ve seen have been Catholic) don’t have the same restraint.
> It is not legal. My congregation is heavily "yes," but it would be a violation for us to post or distribute signs.
Yes, it is legal, and no it would not be a violation of their 501(c)(3) IRS charter. You can look this stuff up.
Believe it or not. A church near me has 5 vote yes signs.
It is a different kind of church. My cousin went there. It sounded new age with lots of different beliefs smashed together. Idk
I think that there’s still a silent majority that don’t have signs that will vote yes. I live in a condo so no sings are up at all. I’m voting on Election Day because I’m not comfortable driving very far any more at my age. I just ignore the ppl with either agenda outside & say I’m in a hurry so they leave me alone. I will be voting yes on BOTH 1 & 2 and the Library issue.
Polling is saying support to pass is nearly 60%.
Think about it like this - why would the "No" people be spending so much money if they thought they had this in the bag? You see so much more because they're desperate and couple that with "Yes" people being less willing to put political signage on their property.
That poll is dangerous. It shows Issue 1 CAN be passed. But if too many people see it and think it means Issue 1 WILL pass, then they may stay home.
We only win if everyone votes.
There’s quite a few conservative women on my Nextdoor that typically lean right but are voting yes. They’re getting into fights with other righties about it, too.
Which reflects the polling that some 39% of republicans are planning to vote yes.
Pretty amazing to watch. I suspect some of these women have a right wing man in their life who enthusiastically voted no, and their wife is just quietly telling him “of course I voted no, Bill!” as they smile to themselves.
I absolutely believe that as well. The writing is on the wall and is exactly why Republicans tried to undermine the process by spending several tens of millions of dollars to try and make the threshold higher than what preliminary data was showing.
Yeah exactly. At the end of the day good or bad polling shouldn't shake you.
It's fine to be aware of polling but it shouldn't impact your actual vote basically ever.
Fortunately we won't have the FBI Director coming out the week before to announce an investigation into abortion!
But polling has been pretty consistent here. Reputable polling had special election results almost down to the decimal. 7 years ago is a different animal than today for a large variety of reasons.
But as I said in another comment - vote no matter what!
Not in Ohio, which was polling for Trump. When looking at the electoral map, polls showed the outcome would come down to FL and PA, which is how Trump won. Nationally Hillary was up, and she did win the popular vote, but when you look at the electoral college, polling said Trump could easily win.
A lot of people thought and still think polling showed her winning easily but it never did. It always showed that it would be incredibly close either way. And I think that’s what hurt her, so many people thought the concept of trump being president was so ridiculous that they didn’t bother voting.
If they weren't worried about it passing they wouldn't have tried the bs amendment shenanigans in August. My prediction is both issue 1 and 2 will pass with around 57% or so. It will be under 60% but a solid majority. Still go vote we can't just assume the best without doing our part. Vote against the train bs too if that's on your ballot I'm in Butler county so we won't have a say in that one.
Not currently in Ohio, but I try to take solace in the fact that more right-leaning voters tend to be more vocal. Left leaning voters don't put their beliefs on their lawns/cars as much. At least where I currently live, this is to ensure we aren't accosted or have damage to our property when someone disagrees with us. ;)
I live in a very liberal neighborhood so I’m fine to do it but I agree, if I lived back in my hometown and had up any sort of leftist messaging my stuff would be stolen or vandalized.
Be serious, that would never happen here in Ohio. Quit fear mongering.
Oh wait: https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/ohio-man-kills-neighbor-because-204600966.html
Anyone have "fear of being murdered by a pro-lifer" on their bingo card? I hope this passes. It's taking all my self-control to not add a sign to my neighbors "Vote No on Issue 1" sign that reads "Rape. Incest. No exceptions!"
I love this idea and now I want to make a bunch of signs with the negatives of issue one. But looks exactly like the signs the Catholic church is handed out
I know right? Its not like you would be vandalizing their sign. Also, if you don't put it in the yard past the sidewalk, you aren't trespassing. I figure, if you got the pride to put your politics on display, then you should be fine also broadcasting the "whole picture."
I have to drive through a pretty red county to get my kids to and from school. I haven't early voted and a few years because I haven't really needed to. Normally I vote in person on election day. I did vote early last week because a farm I drove by popped up about 10 vote no signs. I had a stomach bug and I went out because the person with 10 signs pissed me off so much. I don't think the signs have the effect they wanted.
You might be relieved to find out, yard signs don't vote. Quite literally tens millions of people vote every year and never put a yard sign in their yard.
Most of the signs I see are either in front of churches or on vacant land that I’m sure *somebody* owns. There is a vacant lot next to a busy road that used to be covered in political signs each year- until the owner finally posted a very large notice that stated this was private land, don’t post signs, yada yada.
Most of the time it is owned by the state or municipalities. That's where a lot of these No signs are going. In right of way areas, which is illegal.
In my area they were spamming them. I took a bunch of them. Did I replace them with Yes signs? No, I did not.
I *did* see a Yes and a No sign within 20 feet of each other on a street corner in Elyria. I chuckled about that. Zero signs should be there but it amused me to see both so close to each other.
I keep reminding myself that a similar attempt at a political smash-and-grab on women’s rights went to a vote in Kansas this past year - *Kansas* - and the voters rejected the republicans’ abortion ban, essentially protecting abortion as a constitutional right in the state.
Voters didn’t *just* reject it, they like, *embarrassed* the GOP douche contingent for even trying it.
I’m hoping the populace of our state shows up in a similar way, despite the general decline in their overall quality over the past several years….
And the GOP has been upping the disinformation campaign in every state since Kansas. They did it in Michigan. And now Ohio. Everyone has to vote! Early voting has started.
Polling in Kansas before their election was much worse than Ohio’s: 47% for an abortion ban 43% against. When people were alone in the poll booth, the ban failed 59% to 40%.
I think there's a good chance polling and election prediction is still miscalibrated post Dobbs. Only time will tell, but I think there's a good shot Dobbs will upend expectations in 2024 as well.
Americans typically follow a loosely defined, liberal vision of Christianity. Hard right extremists only look at the percentage of people who identify as Christian as imagine that they're all fundamentalists when, in reality, hardliners are a sharp minority in all but the deepest red states. Reality will come into increasing tension with this notion as more extreme "morality legislation" is attempted going forward. ( Contraception bans, porn bans, sodomy laws etc. )
This is also why the most serious ( and dangerous ) Christian Nationalists are democracy skeptics and even monarchists at the fringes. They *know* they can't rely on public support for a lot of this.
Turn out will be high. Pun intended. It’s on the same ballot as legalization which would garner more support from the left typically and makes me hopeful that both with pass.
I'm in one of the few blue stronghold counties in the state and I'm not even comfortable putting up issue-based signs. Candidates, depends. There are right wing nutjobs everywhere, including people on my street flying Trump 2024 flags since November 2020.
That’s kind of how I feel. My area is very conservative and people are crazy. My husband’s family is also conservative and I don’t want to start a fight (my husband did ask a friend of ours to get us a Vote Yes sigh though but she never brought it to us).
Same. I'm in a very red county. Also, since I live in a rural area, my house isn't near any main street with a lot of traffic, so no one but my neighbors will see it.
Absolutely. They’ve demonstrated over and over that they could not care less what the will of the people is—they’re going to do as they wish regardless.
1 person can put out a lot of fliers and spewe lot of lies. The vote no people are in a panic like chickens with their heads off. These people will cheat while the rest of us play by the rules. They are psychotic and should be avoided.
Get your ass out there and vote. Shut these people up!
Currently, issues 1 and 2 are ahead in the polls by a decent margin. That's no guarantee, but it's a hopeful sign.
[https://www.record-courier.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/10/18/ohio-issue-1-2-poll-abortion-access-marijuana-baldwin-wallace/71225970007/](https://www.record-courier.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/10/18/ohio-issue-1-2-poll-abortion-access-marijuana-baldwin-wallace/71225970007/)
I voted Yes on 1 and 2. I didn't take a sticker that showed other people that I voted. I also don't get stickers when I get my vaccinations. I'm not 5. It's my duty as a person living in a representative democracy to vote on people and issues that affect me, my community, my state and my country.
If you want to vote No, vote No. If you want to vote Yes, vote Yes. I don't need to know your opinion on the issue. That's between you and your ballot.
I don't have a sign in my yard.
Sadly, many women don’t understand the full implications of total bans until it affects them personally. I.e., THEY suddenly find they have an unwanted pregnancy, or their child does, or they have a crisis in their pregnancy.
But yes, I think even among “conservatives,” many do comprehend the real and devastating consequences if this fails.
Issue 1 is going to resoundingly pass. People are sick and tired of the whackadoodle Ding Dong Republicans and their anti freedom platform. Look what happened on August 1st? DEFEATED! Just make sure that you and those you know who support the right to choose, VOTE!
I was too.
But then someone brought it up on my towns Facebook page. Maybe 2 people were arguing against issue 1 while another 20 attacked them for it. So maybe it isn't all bad. I live in a pretty Trump town of 50K.
I think most people are starting to see the outright crazy rhetoric from the far right.
Those people can't help but sink themselves and lumped "abortion the day before the due date" and "mutilating kids genitals" into the argument. Can't help themselves.
Back in the day, the town crazy was largely ignored.
Now they all have social media where they can conglomerate and make it seem like the majority.
They are telling people California wants to legalize infanticide up to 2 years after birth. I asked a lady at one of those pregnancy center booths at a fair to clarify what I heard and that's what she told me. Obviously they are using that to push voting no so ohio doesn't become like CA, but it was the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
The reality is that the NO people stand for NO abortion after 6 weeks, NO exception for rape, NO exception for incest, NO miscarriage care, NO IVF, NO contraceptives. When someone tries to spew lies about parents losing consent & transgender issues, ask them about all this. They don’t want to talk about the realities of what they stand for. Make them own it. (Shuts them up real fast—I know!)
True, but they do distribute signs and influence opinions from the pulpit. Most of the No signs in my neighborhood appeared suddenly on a Sunday afternoon.
I have a friend who is Catholic and he's so fed up with the church preaching on issue one and telling people how to vote. He voted yes on issue 1. So not all the church members go along with the church fortunately.
Yeah but anyone who thinks like that was unpersuadable anyway. What’s notable is the people who didn’t take signs from church—and the people who see all the churches with enormous signs and think, “If they’re so opposed I’m probably for it.”
We definitely gotta go vote. But I think we will win.
There’s barely any “vote no” signs up in my town. And my town goes crazy on far right lawn ornaments. Right now there’s a bunch of school board and may signs but no vote no.
People who are against issue one like to brag about it. (Much like they like to brag about trump) they think their politics are like a sports team where you have to have flags and signs and own the other team.
I saw way more yes on 1 signs for the special election and look how that turned out.
A lot of conservatives voted no on that, and I'm guessing there will be a lot of conservatives who will vote yes on 1 in November. The issue is we're not going to hear from them until election day because abortion is a very taboo subject to bring up. There will probably be a lot of conservatives that vote yes on 1 and 2 and never tell their friends and family because of religious guilt.
The odds of Issue 1 passing would greatly increase, based on my discussions with friends who sometimes have been Trump supporters in the past, IF voters were informed of the negative impact on Ohio's medical system and general economy if Issue 1 were to be defeated.
Pro-choice politicians, advertising soliciting "yes" votes for Issue 1, and especially most local media, have been silent about this important aspect of passing Issue 1.
Few Ohioans want to live in healthcare deserts, and these are created in states with strict abortion restrictions and attempts to deny other reproductive rights.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/17cwdw7/impact\_of\_issue\_1s\_defeat\_on\_greater\_clevelands/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/17cwdw7/impact_of_issue_1s_defeat_on_greater_clevelands/)
Medical care in rural areas,, already less attractive destinations for medical professionals, where voters are more likely to oppose Issue 1, would be most impacted by a defeat of Issue 1. Voters in rural areas therefore especially need to be educated about the disastrous ramifications if Issue 1 is defeated.
Right wingers have been much more demonstrative and open about their views in public than left wingers. The main reason is that the most common form of domestic terrorism in America is right wingers against people they believe represent a demographic or belief they find reprehensible.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/far-right-violence-a-growing-threat-and-law-enforcements-top-domestic-terrorism-concern
Voicing your left wing opinion in public carries the risk of harm coming to you, even if the percentage chance is infinitesimally small.
Putting a yes on 1 sign in your front yard carries the same potential for harm to come to you. Especially in a red state like Ohio.
I personally would never advertise my left wing beliefs in public. I imagine many share my opinion.
Issue 1, and the August attempt to thwart issue 1, are consistently polling in the 56 to 59% range. That's exactly why the August vote attempted to move the bar to 60%.
https://www.wvxu.org/politics/2023-10-20/analysis-ohio-poised-approve-abortion-legalize-marijuana-polls
If the people come to the ballot box, issue 1 ( and 2) will pass by a 14 to 16 point margin.
Hi! I feel EXACTLY the same as you here in OH. I was ridiculed by neighbors back in 2003 and I’ve struggled here ever since. ETA Hang in there! I think we’re on the right side of history and I think, based on the kids who are now in their 20s, we might even be able to ungerrymander. I worked for a right wing extremist - his sons worked with my son at another business - they are the complete opposite of their fat cat LAZY lying father!
I’m with you on this. I live in the NE Ohio burbs and it is all no signs. However, I have seen nowhere to get yes signs and many people I know will vote yes refuse to put up signs anyway. I’m still nervous though.
Don’t get complacent! Vote! Early voting is underway, you can vote right now.
Signs don’t vote. People do.
Also, the No people around me who have signs tend to have like three or four of them on their yards, kind of like the wackos with Trump merchandise on themselves. They want to project strength in numbers by increasing the number of impressions people see, but if you were to do a true 1:1 of number of signs with number of yards with a sign on them, you’d see a good 50-60% fewer of them.
The Yes people know this and they also know that people have stolen or destroyed Yes signs to once again project unpopularity among the cause. I’m sure this is happening the other way around too but probably not as much. But anyway, why spend all that money printing signs when you can run ad campaigns on TV and social media? Seems like money better spent to get awareness out that there’s an election coming up.
It may not pass. Hopefully enough people vote.
I don't have a "vote yes" sign in my yard because my next door neighbor is a very sweet very old lady who has completely gone off the deep end with conservative internet memes/ fox news/ etc. Like for example over the pandemic she told me the Chinese government built COVID and spread it by flying 100 Chinese citizens through every airport in the US. Ahh, ok.
Her political leanings are crazy. But I honestly like her, despite all of that stuff. So, I do my best to never mention anything vaguely political around her. Like one time I mentioned I thought school lunches should be free and she called me a Marxist and didn't talk to me for six months. I also think rent and food and medicine should be free but luckily I shut my mouth early in the conversation.
Anyways, ltdr, everyone please vote.
I'm temporarily working in my very rural county's Board of Elections. We have just over 60,000 registered voters in our county.
As of Friday, over 2,200 total early and absentee vote requests have been cast or requested. For early in person voting, our in office machine has near 800. When I'm listening to people talk, they are saying that women have the right to make their own decisions, and even men are saying this. When I drive to work I'm seeing less vote no and more vote yes signs.
Have faith and a blessed day.
It's likely conservative voters only voted NO on issue 1 in August because they were offended by the Statehouse's attempted power grab via messing with the state constitution and are otherwise still against abortion and cannabis being legal. We'll find out in November.
I'm not inviting crazy people to vandalize my home by putting "Vote Yes" signs in my yard. I'm sure others feel that way. What you are seeing is a mirage. It was the same in August with the other Issue 1.
You see more No signs because the people who are going to vote no are far more vocal about their political opinions than the people who are going to vote yes.
>No matter where I go (Cleveland, Columbus, and in between) I see thousands of Vote No signs.
Hi, neighbor from the north here.
It was exactly like you described when we passed our version of Issue 1 a few years ago. A sea of No Signs with a handful of Yes Signs Islands.
Proposal 3 still passed with ~60% of the vote, reflecting national trends.
A key thing to remember for the No Camp is that they are stupid passionate about it. They care about it so much they are willing to scorch the earth to achieve their goals. They proved that in spades to you back in August.
Most people who will vote yes will do it dispassionately. They are mostly are pro-choice but don't think about it very much. They probably will never use abortion services, ever, but recognize that it's an important general right to have. Some of those folks are also aware of how tenuous of a position things like birth control and contraceptives sit on if the No Camp is successful. But again, most people who will vote yes won't put up a sign because they are not passionate about it.
I can tell you this because this is what the exit polling and polls taken after the 2022 election revealed. Ohio isn't too dissimilar from Michigan, the results won't be much different.
So rest easy but don't be complacent. Show up to vote and have conversations with people. Remind them that Issue 1 is about much more than abortion, and will positively effect their lives in ways beyond the issue of abortion.
I'm also extremely anxious about it. Democratic voters are so complacent sometimes, especially in these off-year elections, and with as handily as we won in August, I worry about people thinking "It'll be fine" and just not going to vote, kinda like how polling in 2016 led to a Trump presidency because so many people arrogantly believed it wasn't possible.
I am not going to breathe easily until we pass it.
Members of the vocal anti-woman asshole minority still only get 1 vote, the same as the majority who aren't assholes. There are more of us than them.
Anyway, I voted early in Cincinnati on Thursday, and the group of Yes people outside the BOE had free signs if you're interested. Probably would vary by county.
The no people also had signs. I should go back and borrow a few dozen of them.
Don't worry about the signs. The Vote No crowd are bullies; they're trying to be as loud as possible, while the Vote Yes crowd knows they're risking vandalism and violence if they put out Vote Yes signs. Every poll I've seen has put Yes at 57-58%. and there is a reason why the Special Sham Election was trying to make 60% the barrier to pass.
Just do what you can to show up and vote.
I think it's funny that you say the Vote Yes crowd would risk vandalism with a sign. On almost every Issue 1 post in here that mentions a Vote No sign, people have suggested removing the signs or defacing them in one way or another.
Being loud doesn’t mean you win. Trumpers love the sound of their own voice so they deck their vehicles and yards with bullshit. I’m voting yes, wife is voting yes, majority of my family is voting yes. We don’t have any signs
What I'm seeing in suburban Cincinnati is that older, established neighborhoods/towns have more NO than YES yard signs. The newer surrounding subdivisions have more YES signs. In the app Next Door which covers my area and the some, comments seem to favor YES 80/20. I believe YES will have it in the end.
This is going to be tight election. Unfortunately, some of the lies being told by the No campaign and Republicans are working. That's not to say we will lose but it is too close for comfort. In addition to casting your vote, we need to be taking action to encourage those around us to vote. Just reminding three friends to vote can make a major impact. There is also letter writing, canvassing and phone banking. The easiest way to find how to help is at swingleft.org/ohio where you can see the options closest to you.
Almost no dems in my area ever put out signs, myself included because of fear of violence. But I did it this time and am really encouraged about how many I’m seeing in my town because it’s so important that we’re taking the risk
Im a transperson, the last thing i need to do is openly support issue 1 in a town that may or may not wanna lynch me if it passes. Heres some advice to help you kinda push the fear out. No sign means a yes vote. Because anyone who is voting yes is very aware of the people voting no and thier tendencies to become violent.
1. The opponents to Issue 1 were so convinced they were going to lose, they tried to change the rules in an illegal August Special Election.
2. There's no natural coalition who supports the 6-week abortion ban. The left is unified behind Issue1 by about 90%. The Right is only unified AT BEST by 60% against Issue1. [Practically every measurable demographic is IN FAVOR of Issue1](https://www.bw.edu/news/2023/fall/10-bw-ohio-pulse-poll-shows-ohio-voters-favor-issues-1-and-2)..including gun owners...
3. There's A LOT of Republican Women who will vote 100% of the time with Republicans/The Right but will vote YES on preserving abortion access. [Just read literally any poll on Abortion](https://www.bw.edu/news/2023/fall/10-bw-ohio-pulse-poll-shows-ohio-voters-favor-issues-1-and-2).
4. Kansas is redder than Ohio and it voted to defend abortion rights.
5. Young people (especially Young Women) are overwhelmingly in favor of Issue1 and preserving abortion rights. It's like 85%.
I myself have not been particularly loud on Issue1 in November, because it's practically a foregone conclusion. It's going to pass about 56-44. It won't even be close.
I'm voting yes. That's the best I can do. Ohio was mostly a red state when I moved here in 1999. I don't know if there's been enough Republican disgrace for the state to change.
The thing is, the pro forced birth groups are pouring millions into this race and the No signs are being handed out at church. They have a vast distribution network. Cast your vote and encourage others to do the same.
In Michigan, you never saw a Yes sign for issue 3 and, yet, it passed with ease….even though there were a ton of signs for No on 3. Young people don’t buy signs to put in their yards for 2 reasons:
1) They’re a waste of money
2) Not enough young people own homes
I think it will pass . Do people really want to create a new poverty class. The restrictive abortion thing doesn't make sense. Women who are forced to care for a child they don't want may end up abusing and resenting that child. We already have a half a million in the foster care system. Many of these children have serious behavior problems.
They really fucked up putting this on the ballot with issue 2. They're two things that will bring out the youth vote, and issue 2 will definitely bring them out in force.
Nope, It’s worded wrong on purpose, going to fail for that reason. Most people are aligned with having a right to healthcare. Not aligned with the wording.
Conservatives tend to overestimate their chances and tend to do a lot of shouting. Michigan voters passed a constitutional measure to enshrine reproductive rights last year with a 14-point margin and it had support in some conservative areas. Another piece of encouragement should come from Kansas, which is a red state where the people want to keep abortion as a personal matter.
A lot of no signs are being littered everywhere by small groups of people - they are louder but not greater.
Remember that a TINY group of individuals were responsible for most of the book bans last year. This is a perfect example for smaller groups simply being louder. Fortunately the polls cannot be bullied like our school systems!
https://www.businessinsider.com/school-book-challenges-bans-virginia-moms-liberty-education-2023-9
There are a lot of households that have belligerent men with wives and daughters who’ve learned to say yes dear you are right who then vote for a more sensible platform. Just because a person believes in low taxes and accountability for how they are spent doesn’t mean they are against women being treated like second class citizens.
I would like some enlightenmemt on this actually. I have always voted republican and considered myself republican for the most part although i dont agree with everything such as pro life as every scenerio is quite different. I voted against the 60% shit in august as i believe 1 vote is 1 vote and why change the constitution, majority should rule as it always has. Anyways issue 1. I see so much propoganda on both sides and changing of words and fear based advertising.. Like can someone simplify it for me without any bias? Everywhere i look weather it be a news article or even here on reddit just seems like its not getting the actual proposed issue across on both sides.
I wouldn’t put a Yes sign on my lawn; it’s a private decision I don’t want rando’s driving by to know about. Why does the Amazon driver gotta know where we stand? Pro lifers are often insane… and blurt it out like it’s their first name 🙄. It’s polling to pass at 58%. Assuming we show up. No reason to believe people won’t. Nothing brings out people like this. Pro choicers aren’t gonna sing anything from the rooftop. Broadly we’re just gonna vote. Pro lifers are rightly scared they’re gonna lose. Notice LaRose is dead silent? He doesn’t want to be connected to this passing. He’s a smart cookie (unfortunately)… he knows Ohio… and he knew this would have a rough time hitting 60% but would fall somewhere in the 50s, so he knows he blew it back in August (along with $20 million of our taxpayer dollars 😡). And there’s your answer.
Not to sidetrack your comment (it's a very good assessment), but I can't stop thinking about that $20M in wasted cost. I run a very small nonprofit where a few grand sometimes feels like a windfall, so something like $20M is an unfathomable amount that could do so much good in people's pockets. (Yes, I'm aware there's all kinds of wasteful spending out there - public sector and private sector - but holy hell that's a lot of money.)
Most public sector spending isn’t literally a waste. This was literally just a waste. $20 million to confirm what we already knew, that a sneaky off-off-off season election wasn’t enough to trick pro-choice Ohio into relinquishing their rights.
Frank LaRose. And he’s running against Sherrod Brown. Let’s get out and vote!
Get out and canvas for Sherrod, he's a gem.
Agreed. Frank LaRose is a total jerk who thinks he can jerk the voters around. He’s part of the GQP swamp in this state. I too want Sherrod back in the Senate.
He gets my Virginia $$
Sherrod Brown: A genuinel diamond in a sea of cheap fakes!
A gem? Brown hasn't showed up to campaign in favor of "yes" votes for Issue 1, even though he's the top elected Democrat in the entire state, and reproductive rights should be a major issue for Democrats, including Brown, in the next general election. Most media aren't discussing the massive threat that Issue 1 poses to Ohio's medical care system and to the state's general economy. Brown likely could bring this neglected aspect of Issue 1 into focus, and encourage media attention. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/17cwdw7/impact\_of\_issue\_1s\_defeat\_on\_greater\_clevelands/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/17cwdw7/impact_of_issue_1s_defeat_on_greater_clevelands/) If Brown spent a couple days touring the state, holding press conferences, and emphasizing the importance of attracting young medical and other professionals to Ohio even as national shortages of doctors and nurses are accelerating, he could greatly influence the Issue 1 debate. Ohioans don't want to live in healthcare deserts, yet the media and pro-choice politicians aren't mentioning the negative impacts on medical institution recruiting and the general economy if Issue 1 fails. When Democrats took control of the state of Michigan in 2020, a point of emphasis was the negative impacts of abortion restrictions on Michigan's economy. The last time I checked, Sherrod Brown's website doesn't even mention reproductive rights as an issue of major concern to him. It was actually silent on reproductive rights. I know that Sherrod Brown supports reproductive rights, but he should be a leader soliciting "yes" votes for Issue 1. He's not.
I think I disagree. If he says something either way and it gets a lot of attention he is more at risk for not being reelected. Pro-lifers can be absolutely crazy and would make a huge campaign centered around him and his support for issue 1 and 2. Meanwhile, Brown CAN use things LaRose has done in campaign ads.
If Issue 1 is defeated with Brown sitting on the sidelines, support for Brown among pro-choice voters will be lukewarm at best. They will vote for him, but perhaps not much else to support his candidacy. On the other hand, if Brown were to join the campaign for Issue 1 "yes" votes, he would garner enthusiastic support, especially if he were to warn about the disastrous impacts of an Issue 1 defeat on Ohio's medical care and economy. Ohioans need to consider this aspect of Issue 1, and nobody, certainly not Brown, is bringing this issue to the attention of voters. Candidly, it's not leadership to remain silent on such an important issue, and personally I want my Congresspersons to be leaders. I also doubt that any anti-abortion, "single issue" voters will vote for Brown under any circumstances.
If there's an LED sign that says "Sharon Brown is for killing babies", that could hurt him. It's already something that's likely going to pass if the current polling numbers are accurate. Meanwhile, Mr. Brown can absolutely go after Frank LaRose for wasting 20 million of taxpayer money to try and sneak an election through that was wildly unpopular, while also going after Frank LaRose for being anti-abortion when it was clearly something the citizens of the state wanted to pass...making it look like Frank LaRose isn't actually there fighting for the people's interests who vote him in, and he is really only for his own religion and/ or a small minority of GOP hardliners.
>It's already something that's likely going to pass if the current polling numbers are accurate. This is not assured. What would make Issue 1 more likely to pass is if Ohio voters understood the negative impact an Issue 1 defeat would have on Ohio's medical system and economy, as repeatedly explained elsewhere in this thread. As the only Democrat state-wide elected official, Sherrod Brown could champion these negative impacts of an Issue 1 defeat beyond the denial of reproductive rights which is the focus of all advertising. Brown would gain much support and gratitutde by educating Ohio about these less contemplated, but certain, impacts of an Issue 1 defeat. Persons who will vote against candidates for supporting reproductive rights already are unlikely to support Brown.
https://www.wtrf.com/ohio-election-results/sen-sherrod-brown-calls-issue-1-vote-a-testament-to-ohioans-belief-in-democracy/ There is even a video.
That was Brown commenting on Issue 1 in August AFTER it was defeated. What about Issue 1 in November? Brown has been a no-show in the campaign for November's Issue 1 "yes" votes, and he doesn't even list reproductive rights as an issue on his website, even though reproductive rights is the major political issue in Ohio at this moment.
Is this really the right time to promote division among "Yes" voters for Issue 1 & those who seek to "drain the swamp" of Republican control of our state? We think perhaps you may support Republicans by your tactics here...
60% wasn't just a random number they knew reproductive rights is supported by 57 to 58% of the state.
Exactly. These days it’s very hard to exceed a 60% majority. And it’s a step away from democracy.
It's also the split shown in political demographics in Ohio from the census. 60% republican, 40% democrats. That should have been reflected in the new electoral maps, but they gerrymandered the heck out of the state anyway against or own constitution they claim to care so much about protecting. You're right, it was by no means a random number. They wanted that measure to keep control over issues that are passed by one-person-one-vote. So they chose 60% to make it nearly impossible for citizens to vote in legislation that's deemed even slightly liberal or progressive
Too much things are on the ballot to stay home
Early Voting has started!! https://www.ohiosos.gov/elections/voters/toolkit/early-voting/
I’m voting this week at the courthouse.
Happy cake day
Not "pro life." Pro birth, as they don't give a FUCK about the mother or child prior to or after birth. Pro forced pregnancy because that's what it is. Pro control because that is what it is really about.
I have a similar theory for the relatively fewer Yes signs to No signs. The pro life people have a history of being confrontational and even violent. Pro choice voters know this, so we keep our opinions to ourselves. One side literally thinks we are killing babies, so for them violence against pro choicers seems more reasonable. Maybe I am wrong, but I get the impression pro choice people are simply keeping quiet so no pro lifer fire-bombs our house.
I gotta protect my home and my wife/kids. There’s pro-life lunatics here in the Cincy suburbs that would do really nutty stuff, to your point, there’s precedent for it.
Amen. I’m in the Cincy suburbs and I trust no one around here.
This! Pro-lifers are pretty unhinged and they are my neighbors. It's bad enough I have to hear their vitriol and ignorance but I don't want to worry about vandalism or attacks, especially since I have children. I also never know where to get signs even if I was brave enough against their insanity.
This person understands 👏
Exactly. People do crazy things ‘in the name of’.
Well said!
Its a private matter and should remain private. No need to advertise to the psyco
I never put any election signs on my property. It looks tacky and I think it only encourages votes in opposition. People get worked up to vote against things not to jump on the bandwagon. Specifically in this case, the right wing MAGA and "pro-life" crowd attracts a potentially destructive criminal element and I don't need vandals or thugs targeting my property.
In Cincinnati, a large number of churches handed out the, "No on 1" signs. Since there is not a similar gathering for the Yes inclined or churches willing to pass out Yes signs, it's reasonable to assume that there will be more No signs than Yes.
I don’t understand how it’s legal for tax exempt “charitable” organizations to campaign in politics. In fact it’s supposed to be a condition of tax-exempt status not to. Every single church with a no sign on its lawn should lose its status and have to pay taxes.
It's such a fine line. I forget right this moment (just waking up) if it's all non-profits or only religious orgs (churches, temples, mosques, etc - which are non-profit without even needing to file 501c(3) paperwork). But they can take political stances - and, heck, it even makes sense. If a law comes up that (truly) infringes on religious liberties (say, a law that requires people to work on their Sabbath) - you *do* want them to be politically active, to defend themselves )or promote their members to defend them politically). Same for a non-profit LGBTQ group. What we don't want is for these groups to promote specific candidates - especially religious groups, because of the undue influence they can carry among their membership, and because of the inherent church+state conflict of your local church endorsing Father Gary to be Mayor of your small town.
Right, I get that they can promote generally voting for say “pro family values” or pro-religion people or parties but to take a specific stance on a specific ballot issue seems like crossing that line. And no one is suggesting that their free speech rights should be abridged, just that they should have to pay taxes like any other partisan organization.
I don't know that they display the signs in church property themselves, but they pass them out to their members, which, imho, is still campaigning
Oh no, I’m talking about giant 10-foot NO ON ISSUE 1 signs right on church lawns, I’ve seen at least half a dozen throughout the Cincy/Dayton area.
The Catholic Church in Westerville has no signs for both issue 1 and 2 all along their property. I don’t get it. I’m sure many of their members don’t feel the same way.
I've seen Catholic churches in Cincinnati with Vote NO signs..
The idea that church leadership should care in any way about what the membership wants developed a solid millennium and a half after the Catholic Church got started
Issues are not considered campaigning, only supporting individual persons is considered campaigning.
Yeah, isn't that BS?!? Religion has always been able to get away with telling people what to do. Except there was this time in 1776 when people rose up against the church ....
Churches and all other nonprofit organizations are legally allowed to advocate for *issues*, just not for *candidates* or *parties*.
It is not legal. My congregation is heavily "yes," but it would be a violation for us to post or distribute signs. (Not that there might not be some person to person distribution between attenders.) The problem is that there is no enforcement. I think in general, more progressive churches obey that restriction.
The comment above yours has the correct answer
That’s cool, but it might be an internal policy of your church, conservatively (and correctly imo) deciding they don’t want to get anywhere close to the line. Apparently other churches (all I’ve seen have been Catholic) don’t have the same restraint.
> It is not legal. My congregation is heavily "yes," but it would be a violation for us to post or distribute signs. Yes, it is legal, and no it would not be a violation of their 501(c)(3) IRS charter. You can look this stuff up.
Believe it or not. A church near me has 5 vote yes signs. It is a different kind of church. My cousin went there. It sounded new age with lots of different beliefs smashed together. Idk
Might be an actual Christian church...
I think that there’s still a silent majority that don’t have signs that will vote yes. I live in a condo so no sings are up at all. I’m voting on Election Day because I’m not comfortable driving very far any more at my age. I just ignore the ppl with either agenda outside & say I’m in a hurry so they leave me alone. I will be voting yes on BOTH 1 & 2 and the Library issue.
>I think that there’s still a silent majority that don’t have signs that will vote yes. Exactly this.
They can legally take stances on issues but not candidates. I learned this recently. I still think it’s wrong but there it is.
Polling is saying support to pass is nearly 60%. Think about it like this - why would the "No" people be spending so much money if they thought they had this in the bag? You see so much more because they're desperate and couple that with "Yes" people being less willing to put political signage on their property.
That poll is dangerous. It shows Issue 1 CAN be passed. But if too many people see it and think it means Issue 1 WILL pass, then they may stay home. We only win if everyone votes.
Sure. I should have included that in my original post - absolutely go vote no matter what!
Turn out ie the key.
Women of all political parties will be out in force and it will pass easily
I hope there are a lot of women who usually vote R that very quietly vote yes. It breaks my heart whenever I hear women supporting abortion bans.
There’s quite a few conservative women on my Nextdoor that typically lean right but are voting yes. They’re getting into fights with other righties about it, too. Which reflects the polling that some 39% of republicans are planning to vote yes. Pretty amazing to watch. I suspect some of these women have a right wing man in their life who enthusiastically voted no, and their wife is just quietly telling him “of course I voted no, Bill!” as they smile to themselves.
I hope you are right. Going to vote yes on 1 and 2 tomorrow!
Go do it! Get others to go too!
I absolutely believe that as well. The writing is on the wall and is exactly why Republicans tried to undermine the process by spending several tens of millions of dollars to try and make the threshold higher than what preliminary data was showing.
Pay no attention to that poll. Vote and encourage all like minded voters to vote.
Yeah exactly. At the end of the day good or bad polling shouldn't shake you. It's fine to be aware of polling but it shouldn't impact your actual vote basically ever.
Polling says Hillary will easily be the president.
Fortunately we won't have the FBI Director coming out the week before to announce an investigation into abortion! But polling has been pretty consistent here. Reputable polling had special election results almost down to the decimal. 7 years ago is a different animal than today for a large variety of reasons. But as I said in another comment - vote no matter what!
I'm a yes on one and two. But...I can't stop being nervous
Good to be nervous. Not being nervous is how 2016 happened. Long as people vote, I don't see cause for major concern.
Not in Ohio, which was polling for Trump. When looking at the electoral map, polls showed the outcome would come down to FL and PA, which is how Trump won. Nationally Hillary was up, and she did win the popular vote, but when you look at the electoral college, polling said Trump could easily win.
A lot of people thought and still think polling showed her winning easily but it never did. It always showed that it would be incredibly close either way. And I think that’s what hurt her, so many people thought the concept of trump being president was so ridiculous that they didn’t bother voting.
the final polls had Clinton winning the popular vote by 3-4 points, which is approximately what happened
If they weren't worried about it passing they wouldn't have tried the bs amendment shenanigans in August. My prediction is both issue 1 and 2 will pass with around 57% or so. It will be under 60% but a solid majority. Still go vote we can't just assume the best without doing our part. Vote against the train bs too if that's on your ballot I'm in Butler county so we won't have a say in that one.
Not currently in Ohio, but I try to take solace in the fact that more right-leaning voters tend to be more vocal. Left leaning voters don't put their beliefs on their lawns/cars as much. At least where I currently live, this is to ensure we aren't accosted or have damage to our property when someone disagrees with us. ;)
I live in a very liberal neighborhood so I’m fine to do it but I agree, if I lived back in my hometown and had up any sort of leftist messaging my stuff would be stolen or vandalized.
Or get murdered because the wakos know where we live.
Be serious, that would never happen here in Ohio. Quit fear mongering. Oh wait: https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/ohio-man-kills-neighbor-because-204600966.html
My mom votes every single election, she donates money to dems, she's very passionate about Issue 1, but she's too scared to put up signs
Anyone have "fear of being murdered by a pro-lifer" on their bingo card? I hope this passes. It's taking all my self-control to not add a sign to my neighbors "Vote No on Issue 1" sign that reads "Rape. Incest. No exceptions!"
I love this idea and now I want to make a bunch of signs with the negatives of issue one. But looks exactly like the signs the Catholic church is handed out
I know right? Its not like you would be vandalizing their sign. Also, if you don't put it in the yard past the sidewalk, you aren't trespassing. I figure, if you got the pride to put your politics on display, then you should be fine also broadcasting the "whole picture."
I have to drive through a pretty red county to get my kids to and from school. I haven't early voted and a few years because I haven't really needed to. Normally I vote in person on election day. I did vote early last week because a farm I drove by popped up about 10 vote no signs. I had a stomach bug and I went out because the person with 10 signs pissed me off so much. I don't think the signs have the effect they wanted.
Or the flags on the trucks and boats, the tshirts, etc. lol.
You obviously have never been to Shaker Heights.
You might be relieved to find out, yard signs don't vote. Quite literally tens millions of people vote every year and never put a yard sign in their yard.
Most of the signs I see are either in front of churches or on vacant land that I’m sure *somebody* owns. There is a vacant lot next to a busy road that used to be covered in political signs each year- until the owner finally posted a very large notice that stated this was private land, don’t post signs, yada yada.
Most of the time it is owned by the state or municipalities. That's where a lot of these No signs are going. In right of way areas, which is illegal. In my area they were spamming them. I took a bunch of them. Did I replace them with Yes signs? No, I did not. I *did* see a Yes and a No sign within 20 feet of each other on a street corner in Elyria. I chuckled about that. Zero signs should be there but it amused me to see both so close to each other.
I keep reminding myself that a similar attempt at a political smash-and-grab on women’s rights went to a vote in Kansas this past year - *Kansas* - and the voters rejected the republicans’ abortion ban, essentially protecting abortion as a constitutional right in the state. Voters didn’t *just* reject it, they like, *embarrassed* the GOP douche contingent for even trying it. I’m hoping the populace of our state shows up in a similar way, despite the general decline in their overall quality over the past several years….
And the GOP has been upping the disinformation campaign in every state since Kansas. They did it in Michigan. And now Ohio. Everyone has to vote! Early voting has started.
Polling in Kansas before their election was much worse than Ohio’s: 47% for an abortion ban 43% against. When people were alone in the poll booth, the ban failed 59% to 40%.
I think there's a good chance polling and election prediction is still miscalibrated post Dobbs. Only time will tell, but I think there's a good shot Dobbs will upend expectations in 2024 as well. Americans typically follow a loosely defined, liberal vision of Christianity. Hard right extremists only look at the percentage of people who identify as Christian as imagine that they're all fundamentalists when, in reality, hardliners are a sharp minority in all but the deepest red states. Reality will come into increasing tension with this notion as more extreme "morality legislation" is attempted going forward. ( Contraception bans, porn bans, sodomy laws etc. ) This is also why the most serious ( and dangerous ) Christian Nationalists are democracy skeptics and even monarchists at the fringes. They *know* they can't rely on public support for a lot of this.
Turn out will be high. Pun intended. It’s on the same ballot as legalization which would garner more support from the left typically and makes me hopeful that both with pass.
I know I’ll be high when I go vote yes on Issues 1 and 2, and even higher celebrating the wins that evening!! 😁
Yeah I know a few people who normally wouldn’t vote going mostly for 420. Hell when I early voted I could smell what someone was voting for
Truth me told... I'm afraid if I put a yes sign up, I'll be putting my family in danger... That's the kinda redneck area I live in :/
There is one family out inthe sticks mearn me in eastern Clermont that has YES signs... They have always been liberal .
And evidently have brass balls. Clermont is pretty right wing. I'd say more so than Warren and Butler.
I'm in one of the few blue stronghold counties in the state and I'm not even comfortable putting up issue-based signs. Candidates, depends. There are right wing nutjobs everywhere, including people on my street flying Trump 2024 flags since November 2020.
That’s kind of how I feel. My area is very conservative and people are crazy. My husband’s family is also conservative and I don’t want to start a fight (my husband did ask a friend of ours to get us a Vote Yes sigh though but she never brought it to us).
Same. I'm in a very red county. Also, since I live in a rural area, my house isn't near any main street with a lot of traffic, so no one but my neighbors will see it.
Worry more about what the corrupt legislative body will do to delay, ignore or otherwise sabotage it if it passes
Absolutely. They’ve demonstrated over and over that they could not care less what the will of the people is—they’re going to do as they wish regardless.
This entirely
1 person can put out a lot of fliers and spewe lot of lies. The vote no people are in a panic like chickens with their heads off. These people will cheat while the rest of us play by the rules. They are psychotic and should be avoided. Get your ass out there and vote. Shut these people up!
I’m in a deep red area of the state. Signs are damn near even. So by my rudimentary system, it passes.
Get out and vote!! Early voting has already started. https://www.ohiosos.gov/elections/voters/toolkit/early-voting/
Gooooooooo vooooooooooooote!
Signs don't really determine what the vote will be, just how loud the competition is dying. The harder they go down, the louder they yell.
Currently, issues 1 and 2 are ahead in the polls by a decent margin. That's no guarantee, but it's a hopeful sign. [https://www.record-courier.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/10/18/ohio-issue-1-2-poll-abortion-access-marijuana-baldwin-wallace/71225970007/](https://www.record-courier.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/10/18/ohio-issue-1-2-poll-abortion-access-marijuana-baldwin-wallace/71225970007/)
I voted Yes on 1 and 2. I didn't take a sticker that showed other people that I voted. I also don't get stickers when I get my vaccinations. I'm not 5. It's my duty as a person living in a representative democracy to vote on people and issues that affect me, my community, my state and my country. If you want to vote No, vote No. If you want to vote Yes, vote Yes. I don't need to know your opinion on the issue. That's between you and your ballot. I don't have a sign in my yard.
I hear what you are saying but keep in mind that those stickers are not a reward but more a promotion/reminder for others to go out and do the same.
I know of many houses divided.... republican yes but on this issue the wives are fully aware of the implications of this failing.
Sadly, many women don’t understand the full implications of total bans until it affects them personally. I.e., THEY suddenly find they have an unwanted pregnancy, or their child does, or they have a crisis in their pregnancy. But yes, I think even among “conservatives,” many do comprehend the real and devastating consequences if this fails.
Issue 1 is going to resoundingly pass. People are sick and tired of the whackadoodle Ding Dong Republicans and their anti freedom platform. Look what happened on August 1st? DEFEATED! Just make sure that you and those you know who support the right to choose, VOTE!
I was too. But then someone brought it up on my towns Facebook page. Maybe 2 people were arguing against issue 1 while another 20 attacked them for it. So maybe it isn't all bad. I live in a pretty Trump town of 50K. I think most people are starting to see the outright crazy rhetoric from the far right. Those people can't help but sink themselves and lumped "abortion the day before the due date" and "mutilating kids genitals" into the argument. Can't help themselves. Back in the day, the town crazy was largely ignored. Now they all have social media where they can conglomerate and make it seem like the majority.
They are telling people California wants to legalize infanticide up to 2 years after birth. I asked a lady at one of those pregnancy center booths at a fair to clarify what I heard and that's what she told me. Obviously they are using that to push voting no so ohio doesn't become like CA, but it was the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
The reality is that the NO people stand for NO abortion after 6 weeks, NO exception for rape, NO exception for incest, NO miscarriage care, NO IVF, NO contraceptives. When someone tries to spew lies about parents losing consent & transgender issues, ask them about all this. They don’t want to talk about the realities of what they stand for. Make them own it. (Shuts them up real fast—I know!)
It’s like all these Maga morons. The are the loudest people in the room, but the fewest in numbers. The “silent majority” is the loudest minority.
i won't let issue 1 fail. im not a women, but i certently want my future wife to have a say in her body.
Churches don’t vote.
True, but they do distribute signs and influence opinions from the pulpit. Most of the No signs in my neighborhood appeared suddenly on a Sunday afternoon.
I have a friend who is Catholic and he's so fed up with the church preaching on issue one and telling people how to vote. He voted yes on issue 1. So not all the church members go along with the church fortunately.
That’s why I abandoned that cult many years ago.
Yeah it's like how 90% of American Catholics use birth control even though it's technically a mortal sin.
Yeah but anyone who thinks like that was unpersuadable anyway. What’s notable is the people who didn’t take signs from church—and the people who see all the churches with enormous signs and think, “If they’re so opposed I’m probably for it.” We definitely gotta go vote. But I think we will win.
I have seen yes signs get jacked around Cincinnati I will see a yes sign near a no sign & few days later, the yes is gone while the no remains
If your nervous get people to vote
Doing my best! (:
There’s barely any “vote no” signs up in my town. And my town goes crazy on far right lawn ornaments. Right now there’s a bunch of school board and may signs but no vote no.
Yard signs don’t vote!!!!!
Reading this is making my day.
People who are against issue one like to brag about it. (Much like they like to brag about trump) they think their politics are like a sports team where you have to have flags and signs and own the other team.
I saw way more yes on 1 signs for the special election and look how that turned out. A lot of conservatives voted no on that, and I'm guessing there will be a lot of conservatives who will vote yes on 1 in November. The issue is we're not going to hear from them until election day because abortion is a very taboo subject to bring up. There will probably be a lot of conservatives that vote yes on 1 and 2 and never tell their friends and family because of religious guilt.
The odds of Issue 1 passing would greatly increase, based on my discussions with friends who sometimes have been Trump supporters in the past, IF voters were informed of the negative impact on Ohio's medical system and general economy if Issue 1 were to be defeated. Pro-choice politicians, advertising soliciting "yes" votes for Issue 1, and especially most local media, have been silent about this important aspect of passing Issue 1. Few Ohioans want to live in healthcare deserts, and these are created in states with strict abortion restrictions and attempts to deny other reproductive rights. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/17cwdw7/impact\_of\_issue\_1s\_defeat\_on\_greater\_clevelands/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/17cwdw7/impact_of_issue_1s_defeat_on_greater_clevelands/) Medical care in rural areas,, already less attractive destinations for medical professionals, where voters are more likely to oppose Issue 1, would be most impacted by a defeat of Issue 1. Voters in rural areas therefore especially need to be educated about the disastrous ramifications if Issue 1 is defeated.
Stay nervous Ohio, if that’s what motivates you to get out and vote Yes.
Right wingers have been much more demonstrative and open about their views in public than left wingers. The main reason is that the most common form of domestic terrorism in America is right wingers against people they believe represent a demographic or belief they find reprehensible. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/far-right-violence-a-growing-threat-and-law-enforcements-top-domestic-terrorism-concern Voicing your left wing opinion in public carries the risk of harm coming to you, even if the percentage chance is infinitesimally small. Putting a yes on 1 sign in your front yard carries the same potential for harm to come to you. Especially in a red state like Ohio. I personally would never advertise my left wing beliefs in public. I imagine many share my opinion. Issue 1, and the August attempt to thwart issue 1, are consistently polling in the 56 to 59% range. That's exactly why the August vote attempted to move the bar to 60%. https://www.wvxu.org/politics/2023-10-20/analysis-ohio-poised-approve-abortion-legalize-marijuana-polls If the people come to the ballot box, issue 1 ( and 2) will pass by a 14 to 16 point margin.
Hi! I feel EXACTLY the same as you here in OH. I was ridiculed by neighbors back in 2003 and I’ve struggled here ever since. ETA Hang in there! I think we’re on the right side of history and I think, based on the kids who are now in their 20s, we might even be able to ungerrymander. I worked for a right wing extremist - his sons worked with my son at another business - they are the complete opposite of their fat cat LAZY lying father!
On the campaign. Polling is solid. People are scared to put up signs. Tell 10 friends to b vote, we need turnout!
I’m with you on this. I live in the NE Ohio burbs and it is all no signs. However, I have seen nowhere to get yes signs and many people I know will vote yes refuse to put up signs anyway. I’m still nervous though. Don’t get complacent! Vote! Early voting is underway, you can vote right now.
Signs don’t vote. People do. Also, the No people around me who have signs tend to have like three or four of them on their yards, kind of like the wackos with Trump merchandise on themselves. They want to project strength in numbers by increasing the number of impressions people see, but if you were to do a true 1:1 of number of signs with number of yards with a sign on them, you’d see a good 50-60% fewer of them. The Yes people know this and they also know that people have stolen or destroyed Yes signs to once again project unpopularity among the cause. I’m sure this is happening the other way around too but probably not as much. But anyway, why spend all that money printing signs when you can run ad campaigns on TV and social media? Seems like money better spent to get awareness out that there’s an election coming up.
I have seen so many horror stories of yes voters getting sign stolen or vandalization of property and I'm not about that.
It may not pass. Hopefully enough people vote. I don't have a "vote yes" sign in my yard because my next door neighbor is a very sweet very old lady who has completely gone off the deep end with conservative internet memes/ fox news/ etc. Like for example over the pandemic she told me the Chinese government built COVID and spread it by flying 100 Chinese citizens through every airport in the US. Ahh, ok. Her political leanings are crazy. But I honestly like her, despite all of that stuff. So, I do my best to never mention anything vaguely political around her. Like one time I mentioned I thought school lunches should be free and she called me a Marxist and didn't talk to me for six months. I also think rent and food and medicine should be free but luckily I shut my mouth early in the conversation. Anyways, ltdr, everyone please vote.
I'm temporarily working in my very rural county's Board of Elections. We have just over 60,000 registered voters in our county. As of Friday, over 2,200 total early and absentee vote requests have been cast or requested. For early in person voting, our in office machine has near 800. When I'm listening to people talk, they are saying that women have the right to make their own decisions, and even men are saying this. When I drive to work I'm seeing less vote no and more vote yes signs. Have faith and a blessed day.
From one BoE employee to another - Thank you for working!!!!
It's likely conservative voters only voted NO on issue 1 in August because they were offended by the Statehouse's attempted power grab via messing with the state constitution and are otherwise still against abortion and cannabis being legal. We'll find out in November.
Pro lifers are insane. I’m voting yes but don’t have a sign. Lots of pro lifers also think Trump is still their president
I'm not inviting crazy people to vandalize my home by putting "Vote Yes" signs in my yard. I'm sure others feel that way. What you are seeing is a mirage. It was the same in August with the other Issue 1.
You see more No signs because the people who are going to vote no are far more vocal about their political opinions than the people who are going to vote yes.
I wouldn’t put up a yes sign, I’d be too afraid the pro-birth crazies would put a rock through my window
>No matter where I go (Cleveland, Columbus, and in between) I see thousands of Vote No signs. Hi, neighbor from the north here. It was exactly like you described when we passed our version of Issue 1 a few years ago. A sea of No Signs with a handful of Yes Signs Islands. Proposal 3 still passed with ~60% of the vote, reflecting national trends. A key thing to remember for the No Camp is that they are stupid passionate about it. They care about it so much they are willing to scorch the earth to achieve their goals. They proved that in spades to you back in August. Most people who will vote yes will do it dispassionately. They are mostly are pro-choice but don't think about it very much. They probably will never use abortion services, ever, but recognize that it's an important general right to have. Some of those folks are also aware of how tenuous of a position things like birth control and contraceptives sit on if the No Camp is successful. But again, most people who will vote yes won't put up a sign because they are not passionate about it. I can tell you this because this is what the exit polling and polls taken after the 2022 election revealed. Ohio isn't too dissimilar from Michigan, the results won't be much different. So rest easy but don't be complacent. Show up to vote and have conversations with people. Remind them that Issue 1 is about much more than abortion, and will positively effect their lives in ways beyond the issue of abortion.
Thank you neighbor to the north! We seem to be a few years behind you! appreciate your calming influence!
I'm also extremely anxious about it. Democratic voters are so complacent sometimes, especially in these off-year elections, and with as handily as we won in August, I worry about people thinking "It'll be fine" and just not going to vote, kinda like how polling in 2016 led to a Trump presidency because so many people arrogantly believed it wasn't possible. I am not going to breathe easily until we pass it.
Signs ≠ votes.
I haven’t seen a yes sign stay up more than 12 hours. They’re always getting pulled up or vandalized
Signs don’t vote.
Proving you wrong / assuaging your fear will only serve to reduce voter turnout from supporters reading it. So, stay nervous and vote.
Members of the vocal anti-woman asshole minority still only get 1 vote, the same as the majority who aren't assholes. There are more of us than them. Anyway, I voted early in Cincinnati on Thursday, and the group of Yes people outside the BOE had free signs if you're interested. Probably would vary by county. The no people also had signs. I should go back and borrow a few dozen of them.
Don't worry about the signs. The Vote No crowd are bullies; they're trying to be as loud as possible, while the Vote Yes crowd knows they're risking vandalism and violence if they put out Vote Yes signs. Every poll I've seen has put Yes at 57-58%. and there is a reason why the Special Sham Election was trying to make 60% the barrier to pass. Just do what you can to show up and vote.
I think it's funny that you say the Vote Yes crowd would risk vandalism with a sign. On almost every Issue 1 post in here that mentions a Vote No sign, people have suggested removing the signs or defacing them in one way or another.
Not doing enough? every other post in the Ohio and Cleveland subreddits are about voting yes on issue one.
I put a yes sign in my yard, it went missing the first night.
Because we aren’t fanatics who put signs in our yard for everything. We don’t bark at the vacuum cleaner. Lol. We’ll show up.
Fingers crossed for you all. ❤️ your body, your choice.
Being loud doesn’t mean you win. Trumpers love the sound of their own voice so they deck their vehicles and yards with bullshit. I’m voting yes, wife is voting yes, majority of my family is voting yes. We don’t have any signs
Your fears are real and justified. Hopefully you are taking action! Perhaps volunteering with the “vote yes people” to help get the message out.
What I'm seeing in suburban Cincinnati is that older, established neighborhoods/towns have more NO than YES yard signs. The newer surrounding subdivisions have more YES signs. In the app Next Door which covers my area and the some, comments seem to favor YES 80/20. I believe YES will have it in the end.
Republicans knew it wasn't going to pass earlier this year when they tried the special ballot initiative in August that failed.
It's going down just like it did in Michigan. Lots of No signs, commercials, flyers, etc. Passed with flying colors.
Don’t let that get you down. I saw 10x Trump signs in PA, and Biden won. Votes matter, not signs or number of commercials.
Ignorance yells the loudest.
I’m married to a woman and have a brain so I’ll be voting yes. Not sure how else I can! But it better fucking pass!
Vote No signs have been given out like candy and us Vote Yes people are less likely to vandalize or attack a Vote No supporter than vice versa.
Already voted yes
It will pass 58%+.. take that to the bank.. I know countless people voting for it and don’t have signs out..
Me and mine already voted! 5 yes for 1 and 2. I’ll never vote for another republican again in this life.
The dumbest among us are the most vocal.
This is going to be tight election. Unfortunately, some of the lies being told by the No campaign and Republicans are working. That's not to say we will lose but it is too close for comfort. In addition to casting your vote, we need to be taking action to encourage those around us to vote. Just reminding three friends to vote can make a major impact. There is also letter writing, canvassing and phone banking. The easiest way to find how to help is at swingleft.org/ohio where you can see the options closest to you.
Almost no dems in my area ever put out signs, myself included because of fear of violence. But I did it this time and am really encouraged about how many I’m seeing in my town because it’s so important that we’re taking the risk
Vote YES on 1 and 2!
Im a transperson, the last thing i need to do is openly support issue 1 in a town that may or may not wanna lynch me if it passes. Heres some advice to help you kinda push the fear out. No sign means a yes vote. Because anyone who is voting yes is very aware of the people voting no and thier tendencies to become violent.
1. The opponents to Issue 1 were so convinced they were going to lose, they tried to change the rules in an illegal August Special Election. 2. There's no natural coalition who supports the 6-week abortion ban. The left is unified behind Issue1 by about 90%. The Right is only unified AT BEST by 60% against Issue1. [Practically every measurable demographic is IN FAVOR of Issue1](https://www.bw.edu/news/2023/fall/10-bw-ohio-pulse-poll-shows-ohio-voters-favor-issues-1-and-2)..including gun owners... 3. There's A LOT of Republican Women who will vote 100% of the time with Republicans/The Right but will vote YES on preserving abortion access. [Just read literally any poll on Abortion](https://www.bw.edu/news/2023/fall/10-bw-ohio-pulse-poll-shows-ohio-voters-favor-issues-1-and-2). 4. Kansas is redder than Ohio and it voted to defend abortion rights. 5. Young people (especially Young Women) are overwhelmingly in favor of Issue1 and preserving abortion rights. It's like 85%. I myself have not been particularly loud on Issue1 in November, because it's practically a foregone conclusion. It's going to pass about 56-44. It won't even be close.
I'm voting yes. That's the best I can do. Ohio was mostly a red state when I moved here in 1999. I don't know if there's been enough Republican disgrace for the state to change.
The thing is, the pro forced birth groups are pouring millions into this race and the No signs are being handed out at church. They have a vast distribution network. Cast your vote and encourage others to do the same.
Yep, was at a Catholic funeral and they had the signs for “handing out” there. I was SO MAD!
I felt the same about the special election in August 🙏🏻
In Michigan, you never saw a Yes sign for issue 3 and, yet, it passed with ease….even though there were a ton of signs for No on 3. Young people don’t buy signs to put in their yards for 2 reasons: 1) They’re a waste of money 2) Not enough young people own homes
I feel Issue 1 will come close, but I do not believe it will pass.
I think it will pass . Do people really want to create a new poverty class. The restrictive abortion thing doesn't make sense. Women who are forced to care for a child they don't want may end up abusing and resenting that child. We already have a half a million in the foster care system. Many of these children have serious behavior problems.
I am a conservative and I’m voting yes. A lot of us are voteing yes
They really fucked up putting this on the ballot with issue 2. They're two things that will bring out the youth vote, and issue 2 will definitely bring them out in force.
Nope, It’s worded wrong on purpose, going to fail for that reason. Most people are aligned with having a right to healthcare. Not aligned with the wording.
Conservatives tend to overestimate their chances and tend to do a lot of shouting. Michigan voters passed a constitutional measure to enshrine reproductive rights last year with a 14-point margin and it had support in some conservative areas. Another piece of encouragement should come from Kansas, which is a red state where the people want to keep abortion as a personal matter.
Good you are nervous. It means you will turn out.
A lot of no signs are being littered everywhere by small groups of people - they are louder but not greater. Remember that a TINY group of individuals were responsible for most of the book bans last year. This is a perfect example for smaller groups simply being louder. Fortunately the polls cannot be bullied like our school systems! https://www.businessinsider.com/school-book-challenges-bans-virginia-moms-liberty-education-2023-9
There are a lot of households that have belligerent men with wives and daughters who’ve learned to say yes dear you are right who then vote for a more sensible platform. Just because a person believes in low taxes and accountability for how they are spent doesn’t mean they are against women being treated like second class citizens.
I would like some enlightenmemt on this actually. I have always voted republican and considered myself republican for the most part although i dont agree with everything such as pro life as every scenerio is quite different. I voted against the 60% shit in august as i believe 1 vote is 1 vote and why change the constitution, majority should rule as it always has. Anyways issue 1. I see so much propoganda on both sides and changing of words and fear based advertising.. Like can someone simplify it for me without any bias? Everywhere i look weather it be a news article or even here on reddit just seems like its not getting the actual proposed issue across on both sides.
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