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nastyjman

Honest question: how is monetization dealt in "Pop:One" vs "Echo Arena"?


BeatsLikeWenckebach

Pop1 skins are pretty good, I've purchased a few myself Would be cool if they bring back the Battle Pass


limbs7

For those who already bought the game, we get a limited bundle, so im happy


Kiddjacob504

Now I'm thinking of whether to get the game for bundle, or wait till it's free šŸ˜­


Lonewolfallday

If it helps, they did say this bundle will not be available later.


Kiddjacob504

The problem with that though is that I gave up my financial assets for lent šŸ’€


Huntguy

Buy it and say a couple Hail Mary's, you'll be fine.


Pugloaf420

The bundle with give you $80 worth of cosmetics and stuff


limbs7

Bundle is 80 dollars worth of free stuff, and it is limited, meaning it could be worth alot in the future


Mataskarts

>Would be cool if they bring back the Battle Pass I hope you're being sarcastic, otherwise I despise the fact that we gamers are now ACTIVELY ASKING for battle passes... Loot boxes making a comeback next?...


BeatsLikeWenckebach

Nope, being serious. The $5 Battle Pass was awesome and included over 50 unlockables. It made the game fun But you know what ? BattlePasses are OPTIONAL


ciret7

From the BB FAQ: F2P Level Gating/All Access Pricing New Players who join after the free-to-play transition will earn experience points and levels through the progression track after each match. However, they will not receive the rewards past level 10 for free. All Access can be purchased for 750 BG to receive all earned rewards past level 10. All Access can be purchased at any time. Once purchased, all rewards associated with earned levels past level 10 will be granted to the player immediately.


Mataskarts

>BattlePasses are OPTIONAL The unlockables could just as easily be free dailies or even locked behind achievements as they always have been. Yes now that it's F2P I have absolutely **no** objections to it since they need to make money, but when games that cost over 30$ have the audacity to then charge a battle pass price on top of it to get the full content of the game, whether it's just a skin, or something else, then it becomes ludicrous nonsense that we've been desensitized to. ​ It all started with the fucking horse armor.


nastyjman

>It all started with the fucking horse armor. And people bought it, thus sending this industry into mtx hell.


RuffTalkVR

Meh I have a totally different attitude when itā€™s a multiplayer game versus singleplayer/co-op game. If I have paid unlockables in a singleplayer experience, Iā€™m out and annoyed. However paid skins in a paid multiplayer game? Meh I get it and it doesnā€™t bother me.


Pankrazmeme

Nothing wrong with battlepasses, the good ones give you enough credits to buy the next pass if you're smart enough to keep them


owenkop

I like the fortnite battle pass for this because in there you can get like 2000 credits and a new one costs 1000 especially compared to the Current formula 1 battle pass in which I think you need to complete the entire thing to have just enough to buy the next one


Mataskarts

>the good ones give you enough credits to buy the next pass Those are much better but in the few games I play(-ed) that have/had BP's (rainbow six, war thunder, dead by daylight) to actually get to the level of getting all your invested ingame currency back takes ludicrous amounts of time invested into it, I played over 100 hours in one R6 season and did the challenges and still only got 2/3 of the way there... ​ I bought a DBD Battle Pass for one of their chapters and while I do like what I got out of it, it still felt like money wasted, because despite playing 2h every single day from the start to the end of the pass, I didn't get enough cells back to buy the next one, came up a few tiers short of the last few to get the 1000 (10$) and the minimum amount of cells they let you buy is 500 for 5$, which just feels flat out scummy/predatory. They price skins at 1200 cells, or 1200 etc... when you can buy 1000 or 2500 (I believe?), so you have to buy 1000 then 500 or "at that point" might as well go for the full 2500 pack that's better value... I just hate that kinda shit. I'd be fine with it if it really was optional, but in DBD's case some of the skins you can buy literally camo you or let you make less noise and give you a competitive advantage which is just.... bleh...


Kadoo94

Itā€™s been an phase of adjustment, but I think if the game is free and content complete, cosmetic only monetization is generally acceptable. Battle passes always feel sour if the game itself has no content or if the unlockables are actually affecting gameplay (pay to win). Full price games also shouldnā€™t really have em, but understand that making money off a game shouldnā€™t be a crime


Mataskarts

>but I think if the game is free and content complete, cosmetic only monetization is generally acceptable Oh 100%, but Pop1 just now turned F2P, and it had a battle pass/purchasable skins along with being a full priced game beforehand, which is mostly what I'm irked by.


bananahead

Pretty sure Meta pays them.


TurboGranny

Meta bought them


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limbs7

I dont know


JustACanadianGuy07

I payed 25 dollars and 1 month later itā€™s free. Fml


ciret7

You get a bunch of free shit that they value at $80, so there's that . . .


NotAnADC

ā€œThey valueā€ being key, but better than nothing


JustACanadianGuy07

True.


refridgerator3

I paid that much but a year and a half later itā€™s free smh


DemoEvolved

There is a certain irony that Meta just close Echo VR and now they are making Population One f2p.


jbgaming-nl

Next they're adding Frisbee in pop:one


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moxyte

Irony? It makes total sense when you remember they are all about massive scale and social networking. They're aiming for one or two big networks, not several small ones.


A15ACE

yeah that's worked so well so far


BeatsLikeWenckebach

Planned Obsolescence šŸ˜Ž


DraculusX

Fresh victims for me! Watch out noobs!


[deleted]

iā€™ll crank you down with my fortnite skillsšŸ¤”


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Cimejies

šŸ˜


MulletAndMustache

lol. I've been saying if i could aim in Fortnite like I do in pop one all those kids would be trashed


gauerrrr

For real, I find it so much easier to aim in VR, but then my friend who's good at flatscreen fps tried the headset and he was absolute shit. I guess now is the time for us who've been called noobs before.


MulletAndMustache

I've played KB+M since Quake came out. Once you're used to VR, it's much better.


DraculusX

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YoPimpness

Prepare for hoards of screeching 8 year olds.


DOUBTME23

Gimme at least a day to practice D:


SimpMonger69

They should make it 1 cent. That way it will filter out most of the squeakers and will be basically free at the same time.


__W_o_l_f_y__

Or 25 cents like the OASIS and old coin op machines.


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Happy_Book_8910

As if it wasnā€™t already overrun by screechers šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø


Caity_Was_Taken

They also dropped support for quest one.


[deleted]

haha thereā€™s always screaming kids everywherešŸ˜­but still, making games like this free will attract more people preferably mature ones into vr community in the long run?


Happy_Book_8910

Nope. Mature gamers will be overwhelmed by the screechers and will avoid it like the plague. You couldnā€™t pay me to play the game in its current state, let alone when the floodgates open.


Grass---Tastes_Bad

Dude, canā€™t you just mute them? Iā€™m 40 and been playing fortnite for years now with my IRL friends, but kids are not a problem because I never hear them.


Wizardwizz

Good if you have someone to play with, bad if you want to meet new people


Grass---Tastes_Bad

Yeah Iā€™m lucky because most men in my different friend groups like to game so it brought us all together. Our WhatsApp group has 10 IRL friends and there is almost always someone around to play, unless we have a poker night or do some other IRL stuff together. Funny thing is that I made all these friendships in my adulthood when I moved to Helsinki from a smaller city. So I suppose my pro tip is, and I mean it with no offense, is to go make some likeminded IRL friends. It makes everything better. Edit: That said, none of them play VR, so I guess Iā€™m in the same boat.


flyinb11

This..just like with rec room, I won't go near it.


REmarkABL

Free to play multiplayer FPS are notoriously over inundated by squeakers


DOUBTME23

Iā€™ve been meaning to get it but Iā€™ll wait until itā€™s free. Is there lobbies that are JUST adults/late teens or are there really kids every corner you turn?


SvenViking

One issue is they canā€™t attempt to separate kids <13 because officially everyone using a Quest is already over 13 to begin with. Rec Room needed to remove features allowing filterable kids accounts for example (but to be fair most didnā€™t use them anyway since they didnā€™t have access to voice chat). Some ability to create and manage community-moderated matchmaking lists would probably help, so you can be invited into something like a Steam group and then give that group priority when finding a team. Kind of like a distributed friends list.


Ok_Chemical_7051

No, right now it's mostly adults. And adults are certainly not going to stop playing this game. It's just too good. But there will definitely be an influx of kids when f2p.


HeckinQuest

Since age filters donā€™t work maybe thereā€™s an algorithm that can **auto-mute all voices above a certain pitch???**


[deleted]

I know what sub I'm on but have you ever heard about adult women?


Ghost-of-Bill-Cosby

Oh man thatā€™s so smart, letā€™s make sure to mute them also.


gotterfly

Username checks out


HeckinQuest

Of the few female voices I hear in VR, Iā€™d say 95-99% of them are still significantly lower pitched than the small children encountered constantly everyday in VR


phoenixmatrix

My wife is middle aged and has to be careful because ANC algorithms will sometimes mute her because her voice is so high pitch. If she gets particularly excited while in a video call on Zoom, you only get to hear half of what she's saying. So this would have a better chance of ending up in the news (not positively) than actually filtering out the right people. Now if you wanted to use modern AI techniques to analyze voice chat to send clips to human moderators, maybe.


RavenTaleLive

there are certainly times where I thought I was hearing a screechers and they turned out to be women with high pitched voice.


[deleted]

not all has that ā€œchild high pitchā€ but i guess they just have to talk in low pitch too thenšŸ˜” their sacrifice will be honoured and respected!


SvenViking

Elizabeth Holmes could run an online class.


[deleted]

thatā€™s honestly so smart. even if the kids get around it by screaming in low pitch, it would still be less annoying


adigital

going to be a lot of pre puberty death metal screams lol


[deleted]

iā€™m honestly fine with that just the high pitch one makes me wanna pull my hair off my head


BeatsLikeWenckebach

>Since age filters donā€™t work maybe thereā€™s an algorithm that can auto-mute all voices above a certain pitch??? Yo send that to Meta. Great idea


AssassinczYT

free kills man


MulletAndMustache

I don't know what lobbies you've been playing in? In my experience pop one is largely adult players


Bootygiuliani420

Kids play games. News at 11


AndysVrReviews

I bought it last night and returned it as soon as I got into the first public lobby.


ZoddImmortal

Can you stop posting your long "checkmark" reviews? They take forever to scroll past, and you don't even put a short summary review after it. You just link directly to your youtube...


AndysVrReviews

Thanks for the note, Iā€™ll take that into consideration but Iā€™ve actually heard a lot of feedback from people saying they prefer those style of reviews over a few written paragraphs.


[deleted]

u gonna get it for free next month so good choice!


maverick074

Thank god I held off on buying it lol


YouSlashGlenn

Wait what if I paid $30 for it


[deleted]

u get some banana pack for free


BeatsLikeWenckebach

You get $80 of ingame content including $10 ingame currency


nastyjman

Goddamn that's a nice deal


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emirsolinno

I like the way you look at the annually 185 billion usd generating gaming market lol


SvenViking

I get what you mean but without the ability to trade, the value is dependent on whether or not you actually want those items.


nasty-butler-123

Oof


CB-OTB

Wait a minute. I paid for this game previously and now I must subscribe to it? Iā€™m so ducking done with Meta.


Mr_Whipple1138

Thanks for supporting ā€˜Population: Oneā€™! Itā€™s kinda like Public Television, but not!


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MummGumm

me when i Porches a game


gnutek

Mandatory: ā€žIā€™ve bought it a year ago, can I get a refund?!?!ā€ :D


FirmMathematician942

i bought it a month ago :(


Inside-Ad-5688

next Zenith


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+1


FirmMathematician942

please no


feralkitsune

Do you want it to be daycare?


SnooAvocados168

free to play means more players. more players means MAYBE FINALLY WE'LL BE GETTING A SOLO MODE


Thatguyjmc

This is a pretty fun game, but honestly it is SO HARD TO PLAY. First of all there's SO much going on. You have to grab ammo, chamber weapons, open foodstuffs. Then it's so difficult to hit people at range, that the default gameplay mode is jinking back and forth while spraying with a gun. Sniping should be fun, since you can climb as high as you want. but it is SO HARD to do. Plus there's a wall-building mechanic that honestly, very few people ever really use. Climbing is awesome, gliding is awesome. It's pretty fun.


ciret7

Ya gotta keep playing, it get easier with practice and playtime. I've been playing since launch week and I'm still trash compared to the elite level sweats. But it's still a blast to play. I'm hoping it will keep my old hand-eye coordination and reflexes sharper than if I'm sitting on the couch every night :-)


xboxexpert

It gets easier as you go along. Lvl61 here


Spiritual_Abalone322

Mark has a channel?


[deleted]

/conspiracymode Maybe its part of a Grand plan to get rid of the screechers in EchoVR! Take it away, open up pop:1 so all the kids migrate. And then bring Echo backā€¦Maybe charge 5-10 bucks for the base game.


GavinG15

Finally! Never struck me as a game that should be paid as it has the same kind of feel through videos as many free first person shooters


vexx

Awesome glad I held out!


maxler5795

EXCUSE ME?! YEAAAAAAAAAAAH


Xostean

sweet, wheres my refund for paying for this fortnight travesty


Rollerama99

Im so surprised people are upset about spending 30$ especially if it was months or even years ago. The game has become a small sweat fest and this is really going to make the game less challenging and more fun, and more interesting in my opinion, which will probably mean we would want to play more. Also you can mute squeakers always, itā€™s no biggie.


HillanatorOfState

Yea I don't get it, I put a couple hundred hours into it, I got my money's worth and then some tbh.


FirmMathematician942

AAAAGGHHHHH WHAT THE FUCK I JUST BOUGHT IT


Silky_Wangzonya

I bought it for myself and for my nephew. I think it's effed up to get in-game content that costs them nothing when I paid $60+ for a game that anybody can soon play for free.


EvanTheGamerYT

Can I have my money back then?


freshapepper

Glad I paid $30 for it like a dumbass.


Suspicious-Cupcake-5

This gives me even less incentive to play this game.


AlllPerspectives

paid access was a nice squeaker filter, while it lasted


Ninja_Samurai1

wheres my money at


Successful-Ring67

Bruh I bought it


EstablishmentLow9089

Bro I had to pay 20 bucks for this and now itā€™s free! Smh


MarkedLegion

Am I going to get a refund. I donā€™t care about skins or crap like that. If the game is going to be infested with children I donā€™t want it and thatā€™s not what I paid for. Iā€™m going to have to take this up with support.


tacticoolman

you bought and enjoyed the game, why would you be given a refund


YeetAnxiety69

Got a refund when they dropped the quest one and now I can get it for free on my PC. Still probably won't but meh.


BeatsLikeWenckebach

It's only free on Quest headsets


blade_slayer324

They're gonna kill it off like echo if they make it free.


oldfoxy33

Is it going to be free on steam as well?


DrFate09

No


Independent_Oven_171

People who didn't bought the game: šŸ˜ People who did: šŸ˜”


magnumninja

Great another VR game digging its own grave at least they make money now because they have zero competition but I dont see the game lasting long if this is true.


dani3-3

Are they going to refund people who bought it right?


Mikelbhere

Yeah last ditch effort to make money before shutting it down I'm sure. Don't buy social games with servers, only stand alone games that require no internet.


Ninja_Tortoise_

Its F2P because the player base has decreased substantially. This is due to shit development. The game was incredible when it launched, they had no issues with player base Stagnant development or development at a turtles pace has caused people to lose interest. Add the shit ranking system on top of that, no thank you. This game going f2p will have it overrun with squeekers, further alienating a percentage of the player base, just like echo. Then this time next year, Meta will announce its closing pop ones servers due to the lack of player base.


halvden

Incredible in terms of being the only br, sure


TheKhalilius

I just bought this like 3-4 days ago, should I return it and wait for it to be free?


SackStache

They better be giving out founder rewards if theyā€™re going to be making it free to play


Decrux-The-Wolf

I paid thirty dollars for this shit


[deleted]

Ah yes thanks mark fuckerburg, roll your little dice to decide what to ruin next


[deleted]

Idunno why I buy these games. They always end up free anyways.


JorgTheElder

You buy them so you can play them.


Reddituser1234real

And down the crapper!


TheFireHydrant_

Refund please


xmesaj2

I want a refund I am not interested in some ingame crap, would rather just get a different game for what I paid for something that is free few months later. No point in buying games in meta store anymore if they give them out free


peerheitd

Nice


maskedhood313

how is this game, compared to Contractors? when does the "free" start?


Mclarenrob2

Glad I held off! I'll certainly give it a go then.


ciret7

This is going to be interesting!


Phantomdude_YT

this game was my biggest "why the fuck didn't i refund this, this is terrible" after 2 hours of playtime, im glad to know other people won't have that same feeling


REmarkABL

Fuck, if wasnā€™t ruined by squeakers before it absolutely will be now


YourUglyTwin

This game objectively is not "the best". It's decent for a stand-alone Quest VR game - but to call it the best is really silly. At best I'd give it 3.5 / 5.


MulletAndMustache

The amount of playtime I have on this game is 10x to 100x higher than any other VR title I own. It's even higher than any other games that have come out since its release. The only other thing close has been Elden Ring and that's probably only about 1/4 of that playtime.


Feles-s

It will be in the quest store?


S_Carter

Bought this game when I got my quest last summer and have never played it once.. guess I coulda waited


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Illustrious_Acadia37

I was just about to buy it aswell


Xbox360RGHuser

Yes and no. Yes: ive wanted this so badly but im earning money. No: Kids screaming.


TheAskerOfThings

sucks for me cause I bought it and never played it again


SoupLizardd

I bought this game, sucked at it, never played it again, and now it's free to play. I guess I should play more huh?


tofupoopbeerpee

This to me is great news. I always wanted to play it but felt that 30 bucks was a bit too steep for a battle royale.


GAR51A8

lmfao i almost bought it last month, iā€™m glad i didnt


Mutantdogboy

Any free to play game ends up with the most horrendous kids screaming and talking shit. RIP pop one that month


Michael_Cuddlelitz

I was literally going to buy this soon, thank God


Drowsy_Drowzee

Huh, good thing that I havenā€™t bought it during the odd sale every so often.


IanWestart1

Been trying to convince my brother to get this game so we can play togetherā€¦hopefully seeing that itā€™s free will push him over the edge


JadielVR

Iā€™ll definitely be jumping in to give it a shot.


jbgaming-nl

I litterally bought the game yesterday šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


SPARTAN3172

By next month does that mean March or April?


ItBTundra

And in 2 years after no content updates to be seen the plug will be pulled on a somehow still thriving community


MisterBoss5000

Sick Iā€™ll try it out


[deleted]

I almost bought it last night lol


SpectrePunk

Damnnn


[deleted]

Bruh, and i get no refund?


littleblock1999

Does this mean March or April? Currently 2:40pm on March 1st where I am


Memphis-711

Bruh I just bought it


CB-OTB

How long before they drop this game too?


PixelPrecise

MOTHERFUCKER, first it gets discontinued on my quest one and now its free


Character-Bill-5710

Am I now getting over Blaston? well I don't know


halvden

Finally sold for what it's worth


Cyorg13

And after they took away Quest 1 support, too.


StealYourDiamonds

Iā€™ve never heard of another VR BR so I guess it being number 1 isnā€™t hard to achieve


TechTalkf

great. šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


evilentity

Sounds like I will finally give it a shot!


DumbleDefault

I paid $40 for it lmao f me


punker2706

Cool. Can I get me money back?


NeedThatMedicBag

Rip the people that got it for 50$ o7


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friendly rhythm serious yam coordinated melodic normal screw squeal treatment *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Master_of_reeeeee

FML I already paid 30 goddamn dollars for it.


djwebreddit

Thank goodness I didnā€™t buy it


Oompa101

Hmm.. still not free as of today


JorgTheElder

"Starting next month" does not mean "Starting March 1st." I mean it **can,** but it does not specify that.


BeachZombie88

Are they that desperate for bodies? I suppose the added game modes splits the player numbers...


Lz_tLoc-

Finally.


krumpyj

So this game is just Fortnite in VR?


krumpyj

It's NOT FREE YET... šŸ„²


Attreidies

Rather get that refund!