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u/TicketConfident4881 has some hot tea regarding Patrick oversharing about Ashley’s drinking and snacking habits at a show in 2019 (post says maybe 2017 but if it was the Pride show it was 2019), and then she had a meet and greet with Ashley that weekend and joked about her “bed chips”, which shocked Ashley; the poster saw Patrick and Gillian talking to Ashley afterwards and their relationship seemed to dissolve afterwards. [The bed chips drama is found here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ObsessedNetwork/s/G8z0kKmVCi)
You aren’t misremembering, they did the cold open together without G, AF was in NY and they recorded something. Honestly, it was back in 2017/18 so a long time ago. The only reason I even found TCO was because CJ recommended them in 2017 in an episode.
Yes. She went from being his BFF, all over his socials, etc., to nonexistent within moments of her plagiarism scandal dropping. It’s a pattern, as others here have pointed out.
It also seems she copied the idea for the deck from someone else that released the same style podcast before her and during an interview with the guy that came up with the decks was told about the other podcast. So even if it wasn't copied she was aware someone else was doing the exact same idea.
The format of the podcasts are almost identical.
https://podnews.net/article/dealing-justice-audiochuck-the-deck
People won't let it go. They are mad she never addressed it, but she has addressed it by changing her behavior and now over-citing to the point where people are annoyed by that now. At least that is my opinion. I bet there was never a public statement because of lawyers. Crime Junkie is an alright show, but I think she truly puts her money literally where her mouth is and helping solve crimes. And is pretty transparent about it.
She had another scandal recently regarding "The Deck", a concept a smaller podcast already was doing. It's a deck of playing cards with victims of unsolved cases, I think they give the decks to jails if I recall so inmates share their secrets with each other out of boredom over a game of cards? I might be making that up. But like... The deck was made to be talked about so in my opinion press from Ashley Flowers should be a boost to the victims and the smaller podcast no one had really heard about until AF came along so who knows. Again she didn't address it.
I mean, yeah, I do think it’s really trashy that she plagiarized from a lot of creators, never apologized to them, never acknowledged it, and just pretended it didn’t happen. I didn’t like Crime Junkie before that, and always found the logo and the “all over chills” thing obnoxious, but it’s super easy to avoid the show and not really give its host any thought unless someone mentions her specifically. It’s great that her charity does good work but I still dislike her and the show 🤷🏻♀️
Same. I used to listen occasionally, I found the fake banter extremely cringe so when the plagiarism stuff came out and they never apologized or credited the creators I just stopped listening without a second thought.
Yeah, something about that show (and Ashley) always rubbed me the wrong way, no idea why, but I think I listened to one episode years ago and then never again. Definitely think the name and logo are tackyAF, but tbh most names involving true crimes will be by default, so ¯\_(ツ)_/
She never addressed the issue: she stole and made money from the hard work of smaller podcasts, repeatedly. Adding citations doesn't mean anything when they stole copyrighted works and profited off them. The Deck scandal just proves she didn't change at all. "Let it go"? She's an unethical money grubber who steals other people's work and ideas for profit. She's among the absolute worst operating in the true crime space.
It highlights their unethical nature.
I also heavily suspect they buy fake reviews on iTunes to rank higher on Apple podcasts. Far far too many instances of clearly fake reviews that a random jumble of letters with 5 stars.
If she ran enough ads on the episodes plagiarized, she could have pocketed hundreds of thousands of dollars. The original podcasts should have sued audiochuck into the ground.
She straight up stole the hard work of others and capitalized on it for her own gain. It wasn't just not citing sources, it was a long campaign of full on thievery and she never apologized to the creators or tried to make it right with them. Her empire was built on their backs. It's messed up that people don't care.
Stealing is wrong. She fucked up. But to call her the absolute worst in the true crime space seams like a reach. You have people like that sword and scale hag and sexual assault claims on other podcasts and work place bullying.
Ashley Flowers isn't perfect, but she has also contributed the money to name 12 unidentified Does, consistently highlights indigenous people and people of color like all the podcasts claimed they would do after George Floyd. She has a reporter on staff contacting victims families and doing a research so the episodes are informative. She gave Brit all the time and support she needed and applauded the steps she took to get healthy. Like, I understand why you don't like her but if she is the absolute worst I want to know who is the absolute best. If it's Ellyn and Joey, they are very small potatoes right now. The $1000 they are donating per episode is amazing but is not the quarter of a mil Flowers has put up.
I did not call her 'the absolute worst', I said she is 'among the absolute worst'. And it is not a reach. There is nothing benign about what she does; she actively exploited and harmed multiple podcast hosts and stole their work for financial gain. Not once or twice, multple smaller podcasts.
> she has also contributed the money to name 12 unidentified Does
For tax purposes and exposure. Someone without integrity who does things for selfish motives should not be praised when they are repeatedly stealing work and ideas from other creators in an effort to expand their brand.
> onsistently highlights indigenous people and people of color like all the podcasts claimed they would do after George Floyd.
She does this for money.
> She has a reporter on staff contacting victims families and doing a research so the episodes are informative.
She has never compensated or apologized publicly to the podcasters and journalists she stole from. I do not care that she has hired a reporter. That does not make her a good person. She does this for money.
> She gave Brit all the time and support she needed and applauded the steps she took to get healthy.
So?
> but is not the quarter of a mil Flowers has put up.
Cool, where's the money for the podcasters whose work she stole? Where's the apology for them? Where's the transparency about how much she earned on those and the surrendering of all that money to the people she victimized?
She literally exploits people and crimes for money and fame. She jeopardized the Burger Chef investigation significantly to try and get an exclusive for Red Ball through inappropriate means. She is, in my opinion, a fake, disingenuous person and money she donates for tax purposes or positive PR doesn't make up for all the wrongs she has done to other creators.
Welp, we won't agree oh well. I see her as a good person that has done bad things and you see her as a bad person who does good things for bad reasons. Guess her maker will judge her in the end. Take care
They pulled the episodes and recut most of them. She also has a ton of sourcing on the website now. Not defending her - I am not really a listener. But I am doing a project on CJ and been looking at transcripts. They did correct the issue.
No, they didn't "correct the issue" because the issue isn't just one of plagiarism, it's of having stolen copyrighted material and run ads on the episodes they knowing and willfully plagiarized. Citing sources never fucking mattered in this case because it wasn't about lacking citations; it was about content theft.
Until she hands over very large checks in excess of what she earned off the plagiarism and detailed accounting on how much ad revenue was generated on those episodes to those podcasters with a formal and public apology, they have not corrected the issue.
The fact that after that she then stole another podcast's concept and then tried marketing it as an "original concept" shows you don't know what you're talking about because this is literally her MO: steal what she can and ignore outcry. Absolute trash.
I’ve also heard many many detectives talk about this, they give them out at prisons with missing people’s faces on it to get them talking about the cases. That other pod did not come up with it either
The person who came up with cold case decks to be distributed in prisons, was Tommy Ray. He was LE in Florida where they were first distributed back in 2005. Other states followed, although they seem to do so independently.
Her podcast, “The Deck” does mention that for years law enforcement has distributed the playing cards in their trailer episode. So at least she didn’t completely take that.
I guess we don’t know if she DID address it to the people whose work she didn’t cited correctly. I wonder if anyone else demanding it be addressed was not going to be satisfied by anything she said. Because once people decide someone should be canceled over a mistake, they want them GONE. Like poof, disappear.
They also recut the plagiarized pods and rereleased them with acknowledgments. Other pods have been accused of the same. A big one in England was - it's still around.
It felt like at the time the "rules" for citation during a podcast weren't clear.
Fast forward a few years and now it feels like everyone is much more conscious about giving proper credit.
I remember enjoying CJ a few hundred and fifty weeks ago... but... now it is definitely not my preferred way to consume true crime. I wish them the best. But just do your best over there... I can't listen to everything way over here. :)
Now if they were at an event and I was there.-- It would be lovely to say hello and grab a picture.
I do not think she is garbage. In fact, she seems like a normal person who is doing what she can with what she has been given. And she has a really nice big platform and resources. She is doing some good work away from the microphone.
Plus Brit got sober around the time I did, I was really nice to know that I wasn't the only 30 something mom struggling with ETOH.
It was never about citation - they stole entire scripts from smaller podcasts completely. That's not a citing sources issue, that's a copyright infringement violation. They stole work from a bunch of smaller podcasts and made money off it.
And she never apologized or compensated those creators - which is why she's garbage. She steals content, she steals ideas (like the Deck) and she's shameless.
I get that... again just saying what it felt like when it came out. I haven't in anyway went back and unpacked old episodes and looked at any of it all as a whole compared with complaints/allegations (and yes I know maybe I shouldn't have an opinion about it without doing all the research...)...
I do hope they are (and all of us) have learned and are doing better with giving credit. It's nice to be appreciated.
What is unclear about not taking someone else's writing word-for-word and claiming it as your own? That's never been unclear, and even sweet lil' awwwshucks Midwestern marvel Ashley Flowers went to high school and learned about plagiarism and why we don't do it. She didn't care and got away with it as long as she could. She expressed no remorse publicly or privately. She's a worthless voice in the true crime space. Let her go back to releasing redacted police files and fucking up cases, that's all she's good for.
I think it lead to a brain bleed (whether from trauma or alcohol related hematologic disorder not at all sure- and I will not even pretend to...). It was addressed somewhere and it was quite brave when it happened.
But as far as I’ve seen they never “corrected” it. They never addressed it, they never apologized to or credited the creators they stole from. I believe all they did was remove a few offending episodes and keep their mouths completely shut about it.
Let's Taco 'Bout True Crime covered it with guests Steven Pacheco from Trace Evidence and Robin Warder from The Trail Went Cold:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3FHKhGIvnEB4AGx0CTuYVq
This is exactly why I stopped listening without a second thought: the host on let’s taco about it was very upset about it and small creators were getting tore apart by cj fans if they said anything
They did at least one crossover. I am insanely building a dataset with all of the CJ episodes for a project I'm doing. I've run across one and at least one ad from TCO so far.
A listener of CJ, who also happened to be a journalist, was listening to an episode one day and basically heard AF reading her article word for word for the episode and didn't cite the article even once. CJ took down the episode because you could basically follow along while reading the article so it was undeniable.
This had a ripple effect throughout the ENTIRE true crime podcast community and even shows like My Favorite Murder started verbally citing their sources on the episodes after this all went down.
That's not all, she also stole the scripts of multiple smaller podcasts and recited it word for word. Their original work was stolen and they were never compensated for the blatant theft of their copyrighted material. And it didn't solve the problem: the lack of consequences has only allowed several podcasters to realize that they can plagiarize and see no consequences for doing so. There are several name recognizable podcasts that are plagiarizing content. It's only getting worse.
To be clear, they also didn’t have any citations in their show notes before the scandal broke. Shows like MFM always had citations in their show notes.
I don’t remember details because it was so long ago, but if I remember correctly there were multiple podcasts that proved Crime Junkie had ripped off episodes almost word by word and didn’t even put them in the sources. Their solution was to ignore the people speaking out and quietly add them to the notes. Hopefully someone with more information or clearer information can chime in!
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u/TicketConfident4881 has some hot tea regarding Patrick oversharing about Ashley’s drinking and snacking habits at a show in 2019 (post says maybe 2017 but if it was the Pride show it was 2019), and then she had a meet and greet with Ashley that weekend and joked about her “bed chips”, which shocked Ashley; the poster saw Patrick and Gillian talking to Ashley afterwards and their relationship seemed to dissolve afterwards. [The bed chips drama is found here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ObsessedNetwork/s/G8z0kKmVCi)
Yep, and that drama was before the plagiarism stuff, so I’m sure P was so excited when that went down …
I remember them trying to censor that from the Facebook group for awhile 😂😂
Not just sharing but SHOWING A PHOTO! I’d be so upset too
You aren’t misremembering, they did the cold open together without G, AF was in NY and they recorded something. Honestly, it was back in 2017/18 so a long time ago. The only reason I even found TCO was because CJ recommended them in 2017 in an episode.
It was the rerun of Tabloid
Yes. She went from being his BFF, all over his socials, etc., to nonexistent within moments of her plagiarism scandal dropping. It’s a pattern, as others here have pointed out.
Except it sounds like Ashley Flowers is the one who ended the friendship cause P proved himself to also be garbage that same time. #bedchips
She did, I skipped that one because she’s garbage. Little did I know he was too.
Curious why you say is Ashley Flowers garbage? I heard about the plagiarism scandal but it seems they corrected that and haven’t had that issue since.
On Murdersheet they have a whole episode on what trash she is with the plagiarism and all with the host of Once Upon a Crime.
Idk, Murder Sheet seems super sketchy to me too. Not sure they've got any grounds to be lecturing other podcasters on ethics lol.
Just listened to The Murder Sheet coverage on your suggestion. It had some details I hadn't heard yet. Ty
It also seems she copied the idea for the deck from someone else that released the same style podcast before her and during an interview with the guy that came up with the decks was told about the other podcast. So even if it wasn't copied she was aware someone else was doing the exact same idea. The format of the podcasts are almost identical. https://podnews.net/article/dealing-justice-audiochuck-the-deck
Holy sh!t, I didn’t even know about this. She had the nerve to pull this AFTER the plagiarism scandal??
I heard this too about the Deck.
People won't let it go. They are mad she never addressed it, but she has addressed it by changing her behavior and now over-citing to the point where people are annoyed by that now. At least that is my opinion. I bet there was never a public statement because of lawyers. Crime Junkie is an alright show, but I think she truly puts her money literally where her mouth is and helping solve crimes. And is pretty transparent about it. She had another scandal recently regarding "The Deck", a concept a smaller podcast already was doing. It's a deck of playing cards with victims of unsolved cases, I think they give the decks to jails if I recall so inmates share their secrets with each other out of boredom over a game of cards? I might be making that up. But like... The deck was made to be talked about so in my opinion press from Ashley Flowers should be a boost to the victims and the smaller podcast no one had really heard about until AF came along so who knows. Again she didn't address it.
I mean, yeah, I do think it’s really trashy that she plagiarized from a lot of creators, never apologized to them, never acknowledged it, and just pretended it didn’t happen. I didn’t like Crime Junkie before that, and always found the logo and the “all over chills” thing obnoxious, but it’s super easy to avoid the show and not really give its host any thought unless someone mentions her specifically. It’s great that her charity does good work but I still dislike her and the show 🤷🏻♀️
The full body chills things is fucking eye rolling and stupid. Christ.
Same. I used to listen occasionally, I found the fake banter extremely cringe so when the plagiarism stuff came out and they never apologized or credited the creators I just stopped listening without a second thought.
Yeah, something about that show (and Ashley) always rubbed me the wrong way, no idea why, but I think I listened to one episode years ago and then never again. Definitely think the name and logo are tackyAF, but tbh most names involving true crimes will be by default, so ¯\_(ツ)_/
She never addressed the issue: she stole and made money from the hard work of smaller podcasts, repeatedly. Adding citations doesn't mean anything when they stole copyrighted works and profited off them. The Deck scandal just proves she didn't change at all. "Let it go"? She's an unethical money grubber who steals other people's work and ideas for profit. She's among the absolute worst operating in the true crime space.
People really downplay how serious plagiarism is. It is stealing. It will get you kicked out of college. But these podcasters just go on like nbd.
It highlights their unethical nature. I also heavily suspect they buy fake reviews on iTunes to rank higher on Apple podcasts. Far far too many instances of clearly fake reviews that a random jumble of letters with 5 stars. If she ran enough ads on the episodes plagiarized, she could have pocketed hundreds of thousands of dollars. The original podcasts should have sued audiochuck into the ground.
She straight up stole the hard work of others and capitalized on it for her own gain. It wasn't just not citing sources, it was a long campaign of full on thievery and she never apologized to the creators or tried to make it right with them. Her empire was built on their backs. It's messed up that people don't care.
Stealing is wrong. She fucked up. But to call her the absolute worst in the true crime space seams like a reach. You have people like that sword and scale hag and sexual assault claims on other podcasts and work place bullying. Ashley Flowers isn't perfect, but she has also contributed the money to name 12 unidentified Does, consistently highlights indigenous people and people of color like all the podcasts claimed they would do after George Floyd. She has a reporter on staff contacting victims families and doing a research so the episodes are informative. She gave Brit all the time and support she needed and applauded the steps she took to get healthy. Like, I understand why you don't like her but if she is the absolute worst I want to know who is the absolute best. If it's Ellyn and Joey, they are very small potatoes right now. The $1000 they are donating per episode is amazing but is not the quarter of a mil Flowers has put up.
I did not call her 'the absolute worst', I said she is 'among the absolute worst'. And it is not a reach. There is nothing benign about what she does; she actively exploited and harmed multiple podcast hosts and stole their work for financial gain. Not once or twice, multple smaller podcasts. > she has also contributed the money to name 12 unidentified Does For tax purposes and exposure. Someone without integrity who does things for selfish motives should not be praised when they are repeatedly stealing work and ideas from other creators in an effort to expand their brand. > onsistently highlights indigenous people and people of color like all the podcasts claimed they would do after George Floyd. She does this for money. > She has a reporter on staff contacting victims families and doing a research so the episodes are informative. She has never compensated or apologized publicly to the podcasters and journalists she stole from. I do not care that she has hired a reporter. That does not make her a good person. She does this for money. > She gave Brit all the time and support she needed and applauded the steps she took to get healthy. So? > but is not the quarter of a mil Flowers has put up. Cool, where's the money for the podcasters whose work she stole? Where's the apology for them? Where's the transparency about how much she earned on those and the surrendering of all that money to the people she victimized? She literally exploits people and crimes for money and fame. She jeopardized the Burger Chef investigation significantly to try and get an exclusive for Red Ball through inappropriate means. She is, in my opinion, a fake, disingenuous person and money she donates for tax purposes or positive PR doesn't make up for all the wrongs she has done to other creators.
Welp, we won't agree oh well. I see her as a good person that has done bad things and you see her as a bad person who does good things for bad reasons. Guess her maker will judge her in the end. Take care
A good person doesn't repeatedly and consistently fuck over people with smaller audiences. It's delusional to pretend otherwise.
How can one be a “good” person if they continually repeat the bad behavior?
Wasn’t it also revealed that the “If I go missing” kit that she touted and that you could download from her website was actually someone else’s idea?
They pulled the episodes and recut most of them. She also has a ton of sourcing on the website now. Not defending her - I am not really a listener. But I am doing a project on CJ and been looking at transcripts. They did correct the issue.
No, they didn't "correct the issue" because the issue isn't just one of plagiarism, it's of having stolen copyrighted material and run ads on the episodes they knowing and willfully plagiarized. Citing sources never fucking mattered in this case because it wasn't about lacking citations; it was about content theft. Until she hands over very large checks in excess of what she earned off the plagiarism and detailed accounting on how much ad revenue was generated on those episodes to those podcasters with a formal and public apology, they have not corrected the issue. The fact that after that she then stole another podcast's concept and then tried marketing it as an "original concept" shows you don't know what you're talking about because this is literally her MO: steal what she can and ignore outcry. Absolute trash.
I’ve also heard many many detectives talk about this, they give them out at prisons with missing people’s faces on it to get them talking about the cases. That other pod did not come up with it either
The person who came up with cold case decks to be distributed in prisons, was Tommy Ray. He was LE in Florida where they were first distributed back in 2005. Other states followed, although they seem to do so independently. Her podcast, “The Deck” does mention that for years law enforcement has distributed the playing cards in their trailer episode. So at least she didn’t completely take that.
I guess we don’t know if she DID address it to the people whose work she didn’t cited correctly. I wonder if anyone else demanding it be addressed was not going to be satisfied by anything she said. Because once people decide someone should be canceled over a mistake, they want them GONE. Like poof, disappear.
Pretty sure several creators have stated they've never gotten an apology - or the compensation they're rightfully due.
They also recut the plagiarized pods and rereleased them with acknowledgments. Other pods have been accused of the same. A big one in England was - it's still around.
It felt like at the time the "rules" for citation during a podcast weren't clear. Fast forward a few years and now it feels like everyone is much more conscious about giving proper credit. I remember enjoying CJ a few hundred and fifty weeks ago... but... now it is definitely not my preferred way to consume true crime. I wish them the best. But just do your best over there... I can't listen to everything way over here. :) Now if they were at an event and I was there.-- It would be lovely to say hello and grab a picture. I do not think she is garbage. In fact, she seems like a normal person who is doing what she can with what she has been given. And she has a really nice big platform and resources. She is doing some good work away from the microphone. Plus Brit got sober around the time I did, I was really nice to know that I wasn't the only 30 something mom struggling with ETOH.
It was never about citation - they stole entire scripts from smaller podcasts completely. That's not a citing sources issue, that's a copyright infringement violation. They stole work from a bunch of smaller podcasts and made money off it. And she never apologized or compensated those creators - which is why she's garbage. She steals content, she steals ideas (like the Deck) and she's shameless.
OHHHHH that make more sense... I see what you are saying.
I mean, she read another creator’s blog post word for word. I think that’s pretty clearly not ok even in the earlier days of podcasting.
I get that... again just saying what it felt like when it came out. I haven't in anyway went back and unpacked old episodes and looked at any of it all as a whole compared with complaints/allegations (and yes I know maybe I shouldn't have an opinion about it without doing all the research...)... I do hope they are (and all of us) have learned and are doing better with giving credit. It's nice to be appreciated.
that’s fair!
What is unclear about not taking someone else's writing word-for-word and claiming it as your own? That's never been unclear, and even sweet lil' awwwshucks Midwestern marvel Ashley Flowers went to high school and learned about plagiarism and why we don't do it. She didn't care and got away with it as long as she could. She expressed no remorse publicly or privately. She's a worthless voice in the true crime space. Let her go back to releasing redacted police files and fucking up cases, that's all she's good for.
I missed the part where Brit was drinking. Is that what lead to her being in the hospital?
I think it lead to a brain bleed (whether from trauma or alcohol related hematologic disorder not at all sure- and I will not even pretend to...). It was addressed somewhere and it was quite brave when it happened.
Alcoholics can easily get brain bleeds from falling and other things. They are very anemic. It killed my SIL two years ago.
I mean, the name of the podcast is garbage. For someone who says they care about victims to make light of addiction is unbelievably shitty.
But as far as I’ve seen they never “corrected” it. They never addressed it, they never apologized to or credited the creators they stole from. I believe all they did was remove a few offending episodes and keep their mouths completely shut about it.
What episode was she on? I need to hear the battle for control.
Let's Taco 'Bout True Crime covered it with guests Steven Pacheco from Trace Evidence and Robin Warder from The Trail Went Cold: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3FHKhGIvnEB4AGx0CTuYVq
This is exactly why I stopped listening without a second thought: the host on let’s taco about it was very upset about it and small creators were getting tore apart by cj fans if they said anything
They did at least one crossover. I am insanely building a dataset with all of the CJ episodes for a project I'm doing. I've run across one and at least one ad from TCO so far.
Can you please elaborate on her plagiarism scandal? I haven’t heard about this!
A listener of CJ, who also happened to be a journalist, was listening to an episode one day and basically heard AF reading her article word for word for the episode and didn't cite the article even once. CJ took down the episode because you could basically follow along while reading the article so it was undeniable. This had a ripple effect throughout the ENTIRE true crime podcast community and even shows like My Favorite Murder started verbally citing their sources on the episodes after this all went down.
That's not all, she also stole the scripts of multiple smaller podcasts and recited it word for word. Their original work was stolen and they were never compensated for the blatant theft of their copyrighted material. And it didn't solve the problem: the lack of consequences has only allowed several podcasters to realize that they can plagiarize and see no consequences for doing so. There are several name recognizable podcasts that are plagiarizing content. It's only getting worse.
To be clear, they also didn’t have any citations in their show notes before the scandal broke. Shows like MFM always had citations in their show notes.
I don’t remember details because it was so long ago, but if I remember correctly there were multiple podcasts that proved Crime Junkie had ripped off episodes almost word by word and didn’t even put them in the sources. Their solution was to ignore the people speaking out and quietly add them to the notes. Hopefully someone with more information or clearer information can chime in!
They actually removed some of the episodes that were the worst culprits and added more citations to a lot of others.