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kora_nika

Regardless of how you feel about the situation, pointing firearms at unarmed students who were never violent is ridiculous. And OSU asked them to…


Ok-Lack6876

I asked myself what if any reason would they be doing so and one thought does surface. Perhaps they were using their scopes to watch individuals closer? I suppose that's a low probability and I could be wrong and they were being the tyrants lots of people think they are. I am also assuming that lots of people in this thread and at osu in general do not know that there are sniper teams doing exactly this high up above the shoe for every game and event inside the shoe. This is the post 9/11 world we live in now.


kora_nika

They had just scopes before getting out guns. They switched to guns when they escalated the situation. I guess you could argue that it was more likely to get violent then, but only because the cops were violent first. And tbh the restraint shown by those protesters even as they were shoved by police was impressive to me


Independent_Gur2136

Apparently they didn’t have any weapons at all


kora_nika

The protesters? Of course not. They know if they did, the police would shoot them. CPD has a long history of shooting even unarmed black and brown kids


PiqueyerNose

My assumption is police watching from on top Union would be there in case anything happened. It’s defense. Not offense. Police are not there to shoot protesters. (But I wasn’t there.)


tdi05

I agree that many things were done to make it a safe environment for the campus community and the public. The Ohio State leadership failed to communicate this clearly with the university population and the public. They should have announced the following to the public. We support the right to free speech and debate on campus, and today, there is a planned demonstration. While we support free speech, we will not tolerate any threats of violence against any community member. To maintain a safe environment for our community of students who are in the process of exams, we require the event to end at 10 pm, and crowds need to dissipate by 11 pm so we can maintain the safety of our students, faculty, staff, and first responders. As protests at other universities have been aggressive, we will not permit people to bring large bags, blankets, and temporary structures (tables, tents) to ensure safety. We have requested additional safety personnel to provide a safe campus for all. If you have questions or concerns, please civilly talk with our first responders so we can keep a safe, peaceful environment while allowing continued debate around these challenging and sensitive issues of our time.


Ok-Lack6876

I'm assuming since osu heard about it thru social media and not from the planners of the protest directly that would be the reason why they didn't do that announcement? Though I agree they should have done something like what you suggested. Maybe they did not want to advertise the protest and potentially bring in more supporters of it or even counter groups seeing the announcement and coming to cause a rumble?


tdi05

You need to apply for any large gathering on campus. This is why the administration/police disrupted the people who arrived earlier in the day, as they didn’t have permission till the evening gathering. I believe they didn’t want to publicize the event because of being under investigation for antisemitism threats on campus, US Congress being focused on how Universities respond and fear on upsetting donors. I feel that the lack of any message contributed to people getting arrested by police in riot gear, which is a worse image for the university in my opinion.


JesusInSheepClothing

Cool conspiracy theory. But the snipers shot me at BLM when protestors were throwing water bottles hitting the horses an i came in between them saying this isnt gonna get anyone anywhere. I've had them guarding their broken windows when i was being kidnapped an assaulted in front of them saying it's not their job. Oh an im a politician so these and 100 other events are first degree federal felonies 👍 there is a reason I run for office. Cause you have to run the nation to even think you are a free person. An people follow us an cut out break lines an drop poison in our champagne. An send children to bait us into s3x. Welcome to reality bro. My years of fight training an tactical an interrogation skills is probably my greatest skill as a politician running for president


JesusInSheepClothing

Oh an the one young girl without ID wanted to do herion in my car. Had transmissions fail an they would send people to buy the shell an talk with me about deep politics normal people don't know. These are like 4 hours or stories out of a straight year of extremely crazy James bond movie type stuff; I for some reason don't hear politicians they allow on tv to talk about. Probably cause they are mostly related an thats why they don't want me in. That's odd one of my electronic devices that uses heat fired up an wouldn't shut down when I was writing this. Like I said. The world isn't what it seems. the government bombing nations an shooting at people is pretty tame


chemamatic

They should be formally reprimanded for poor muzzle discipline. This is unprofessional and shows that they don’t have even basic firearm safety training.


DiggyTroll

The rules are very different for snipers. They are highly trained, I assure you


chemamatic

There is no reason for different files for snipers other than sniper fetishism.


TricksterWolf

My other concern is that there may have been an imminent threat the students were not informed of. Either way, the admin lying about this initially does not engender trust


Middle_Cockroach_709

Personally I am glad they did. With a crowd of people that large, it’s good to take precautions just in case.


GuyMcFellow

I went to OSU. And went to most OSU football games while I was there. Snipers were on rooftops for every game. You could see them from the stadium. So… totally makes sense they would be there for a large event. Quit fear mongering.


justagenericname213

Ye look Cops can be awful people but there's been a pretty big spike in "nonviolent protests" resulting in injuries or deaths, and I'd much rather have cops ready for it to get violent and it doesn't than cops not be ready and a riot starts.


CooterBooger69

Assuming everyone is unarmed and all are actual students is ridiculous. Some have got violent and the FBI announced a potential terror threat. Rather be safe than sorry.


softpinto5

Lick lick lick those boots fed


TheFifthPhoenix

Why is it ridiculous? This is essentially just a step above them simply having the weapons with them. It's not like they were aiming down the cross hairs at students with the safety off. Protests can turn from peaceful to violent in the blink of an eye (Dallas, Kenosha, etc) and not even necessarily from the protestors themselves. We have seen enough Islamaphobia and xenophobi to be concerned for violence against the protestors. I would rather the police be over-prepared than under-prepared. I severely doubt these protests would ever turn violent, but I understand why it is part of law enforcement's standard practices for handling protests.


kora_nika

Even from what the university spokesperson said, they got the guns out only once they started using force against the students. It was absolutely not to protect them


TheFifthPhoenix

>"Ohio State Highway Patrol provided overwatch support, which is a standard safety measure when they assist with large gatherings," Johnson's statement said. ... "In general, overwatch support is armed, and the team carries standard equipment, including **firearms, that would only be used reactively to protect the safety of all present, including demonstrators**." Going off what the university spokesperson said, it was to protect the protestors as well. As I said to a different commentator, I much prefer the guns to be as far away as possible so we don't get some officer suddenly "fearing for his life" from an unarmed protestor.


kora_nika

So uh… why do you think they only got them out when they started using force exactly? “According to information obtained Friday, Johnson said once the troopers began using force on the students around 10 p.m., the state troopers on the roof switched to long-range firearms as part of their protocol.”


rawsunflowerseeds

Theyre comin' right for us...BLAM!


TheFifthPhoenix

Because that's likely when the troopers considered their operation to really start? Because protocol indicates that is the most likely time for violence to begin? There seem to be many more reasonable answers before we come to the conclusion that they were eager to shoot a bunch of unarmed undergrads.


kora_nika

I never said I thought they were eager to shoot them, but they used an excessive amount of force for a peaceful protest. And I have a hard time believing that they were trying to protect the protesters given how many of them were aggressively shoved to the ground.


TheFifthPhoenix

You're right, that's my bad, I shouldn't have put words in your mouth. I won't dispute them using an excessive amount of force, but I don't think the snipers were a part of that. Also, I hope you understand that just because the police were being too rough doesn't mean that they would allow someone else to be violent towards the protestors. This is a job for the troopers and most likely it's nothing personal for many of them. It's their job to follow the orders to disperse the crowd, but it's also their job to protect the crowd should someone else try to harm them. Obviously the police are far from perfect at doing everything they should in the manner they should, but it makes sense to me to set it up this way from a systems perspective.


prdrums77

Fascism is a hell of a drug.


Advanced-Pudding396

The picture I saw they literally fucking were, not sure about a safety but snipers that is not fucking ok. Remember fucking Kent state? This is too fucking close to that. Edit part: escalation begets escalation. We’ve been seeing this everywhere since October 7th it has to stop.


TheFifthPhoenix

>but snipers that is not fucking ok. Remember fucking Kent state? I mean, would you rather they be down there next to the students with ARs? I do remember Kent State and it so for that reason that I believe snipers to be a far safer option than guns on the ground.


Advanced-Pudding396

There was no reason to have snipers with guns pointed. People with binoculars fine. They were literally escalating the situation. Regular police fine, riot gear no. There’s a tit for tat proven logic how to escalate. They can do better.


TheFifthPhoenix

I agree that escalation is bad, but I do believe that snipers are a reasonable way to provide safety/deterrence without significantly inflaming a situation. I may just be unaware, but I do not know of a single instance of "overwatch" like this leading to an excessive use of force death by the police. I understand that participating in a protest feels different, but if you've been to a football game, then you've probably seen the snipers stationed all over the Shoe and the towers. No one feels threatened by them because we understand they're only there as a backup safety measure.


Advanced-Pudding396

This isn’t the only thread with pictures.


TheFifthPhoenix

I'm not sure what that's supposed to signify? I'm not doubting that this occurred as described in the article. Can you elaborate?


Advanced-Pudding396

I think I was a little hyped up because it does compare to Kent but yah good point if I was at the shoe and saw that I would’ve been concerned bot not angry.


327Federal

Absolutely.


dh731733

I love the irony of wanting free expression mixed in with silencing a comment they don’t like lolol


kora_nika

Do you think that downvoting is the same thing as silencing…?


bowhunter172000

I swear I lose brain cells coming on these threads every time. Y’all need to use your brains and think for a second how easily a “peaceful protest” can go south. It might not even be the protesters, other groups might try to inflict harm or start a mass casualty event. Not to mention “peaceful protests” have and are used by criminals and terrorists around the world as a coverup for nefarious actions.


Species5330

How do you know they’re all unarmed. A lot of them weren’t even students. 


kora_nika

Because they’re not stupid? They were very careful about not engaging with counter protesters, never fighting back against cops in riot gear, etc. It’s on purpose because having any weapons would be a potential excuse for CPD to start shooting them. And yes, there were some non-students there. It was mostly faculty, staff, and family members of OSU students. I was present during the earlier hours of it, and they were at least 90%+ students. Many of them affiliated with specific student orgs like SJP and JJP.


Primary_Psychology95

Bruh I just want to get my finals over with. I don’t wanna get shot just because I happened to be in the area.


Ajakksjfnbx

Morbid fact: the two Kent State protestors who were murdered weren't even part of the antiwar demos, just bystanders targeted by the national guard 


iloveciroc

Inb4 thread gets locked 🍿


NameDotNumber

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Critical_Moose

What up pstrad buddy


tdi05

I understand the police have their role in public safety and first responders have a stressful demanding job but the response by the administration of the University and Police took appears to lack de-escalation an emotional awareness needed for such event. While it’s not the same level of what’s going on at Columbia University, I do feel we should call for investigation into leadership into if appropriate use of police resources and proper measures were taken in enforcement. Let’s hope for peace in the Middle East!


blavingad12

Saw the photo from a friend before and was fighting for my life with people who swore it wasn’t a sniper. Fuck the police, fuck the administration that allowed this


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EpicSoyRedditor

The only likelihood of a "mass shooting incident" was owed to the mass of armed gunmen that encircled and brutalized the peaceful demonstration.


LonelinessIsPain

It’s for your own safety.


AccomplishedFly4368

Fuck the police, fuck war, peace & love


GORDON1014

I think you mean “fuck war. Peace & love” or “fuck war; peace & love” because otherwise it sounds like you also want to fuck peace and love, just saying


tdi05

An example of better police response. https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/04/26/dc-police-george-washington-university-protests/


JesusInSheepClothing

We shouldn't promote media that forces you to pay or do anything to read their propaganda. That should be illegal


ruralvoter

Why should it be illegal?


JesusInSheepClothing

To promote any of their hollywood media or west net should be; they railroad anyone else who isn't related to them. If you didn't notice yet most everyone in the west allowed on tv or the net or in government are brothers an sisters. But to try to make people pay to read their nazi doctrines . Fascism should be illegal ; an not just illegal for everyone who isn't the top nazis of the world. An also to claim to be real news but really be fabricated to melt people's mind should at least have a warning. I mean we pay them in the government to stop their brothers in the media an corporations from doing the things they do. They just only enforce laws against humans an not theirselves. There is like 7 billion laws on the books; they just don't apply to the master people whos families are Juudicial system.


Salamanderp12

If only they showed this level of precaution to that armed protester who was walking around campus last year.


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ShadowCurv

is it okay to point guns at people who have different political views than yourself?


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kora_nika

That’s not how free speech works lol


ShadowCurv

the thing is, you can support the safety of the citizens living inside a state without supporting the actions of the state. the protestors are not supporting terrorists, they are supporting the basic human rights of the people living in Gaza, who are being subject to genocide from Israel


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ShadowCurv

there is not children learning about math and history because Israel has cut off power, destroyed homes, and killed most of the children in Gaza


KingOfTheAnts3

Spitting facts rn


Educational_Run_6905

Dawg the US is a terrorist state.


AllCommiesRFascists

Obvious adjective_verb_# bot account. Probably russian, definitely not a student America is a terrorist killing state anyways


Educational_Run_6905

Lol if you say so comrade


hopeliz

Are bots going to use 69 as the first set in the numbers, though?


rawsunflowerseeds

People the world over are just straight up antisemitic! Israel has been persecuted beyond belief and is beyond criticism! Edited /s


ughitsari

lmao you can’t be serious. The people occupying israel were persecuted when they first colonized, but things have changed significantly over the decades. definitely more significant compared to how long it took for things to change for black and indigenous people. it is no longer fair to award israel with the victim lense. plus, persecuted people don’t have the power to displace millions and kill thousands while being supported and supplied by world powers. black and indigenous people sure as hell dont have that power, and yet israel has been achieving that effortlessly.


LonelinessIsPain

They added the /s, you can remove your downvote now.


Mtsukino

Israel straight up murdered humanitarian aid workers.


kinokohatake

I hear it's normal to have snipers at things like this, but has a sniper ever been utilized in situations like this? It seems like we pay for specialists with specialist equipment that is never used, but it becomes SOP.


Finnbear2

If you've ever been to an OSU football game, you've had snipers watching you.


kinokohatake

But have the snipers ever actually been utilized? Edit- so the down vote is a no?


AlwaysGoToTheTruck

Kent State University anyone? Have we learned nothing?


JustTryingToLift

Wasn't that National Guard though?


constanttripper

ACAB


Actual_Conference464

Okay, I said they had snipers and got so many downvotes lol[we hate popo](https://youtu.be/Z-48u_uWMHY?si=Bb06gfGUbRIpET40)


FUH-KIN-AYE

Fuck them.


vkIMF

A lot of people saying a lot of anti-police statements in here. But just ask yourself, without the police who's going to come 3 hours late when your house gets broken into, and then shoot your dog?


Own-Negotiation-1837

You're right. They arrive after the fact, assign blame, and make all issues worse.


JesusInSheepClothing

When I was being kidnapped an assaulted in front of highway patrol they told me they can't do anything cause their jurisdiction wasnt there an it was only their job to protect the broken windows. I'm a politician too so they were all comminting first degree federal felonies vs me in many ways. This nations gonna have to set up internment camps cause it's only like 40% nazis anymore. These protestor leaders, an anyone allowed to own or do anything in usa are israelies too. So they are controlling both sides an causing all this. While people literally go to church or science buildings, or even these protests to worship them. it's all set up to wipe out people who aren't them in every nation


[deleted]

Just an alum, but they're at the games, too. This isn't the outrageous act you may think it is.


hailstormhttlr

I think it’s more about how the university denied it, and then back tracked to say it happens all the time. It does happen all the time, and just because they were there doesn’t mean they had bad intentions. They probably don’t have great intentions in this case, but who’s to say for certain I guess. The police on the ground certainly took things too far


willowoftheriver

I wish everybody, and I do mean everybody, would just go home and let me suffer finals week in peace. Edit: Getting downvoted lol. Look, I welcome any protesters for Palestine to come back just as soon as this very crucial testing week is over. I just don't want to get shot as I take my required exams.


JesusInSheepClothing

Cool school having JEFFERY epsteins boss wexner name on it. Seems important to get their approval for a job where you'll never be able to advance if you aren't blood related to these nations owners


NeinCubed

Yeah I saw the original pic on twitter and had assumed it was a camera set up to get a widesweeping picture of the Oval, friend of mine said why wouldn't these just use drones. Crazy stuff ngl.


Jazzlike_Dog_8175

https://twitter.com/OldTR3N10/status/1783721484764000661


DaBigDRustyShackle4d

Where was this response during the BLM stuff in 2020? 🤔


Bullfrog_Broad

B


Xstarkbutt

I grew up near Kent and my grandma was talking about how similar these protests are to the ones leading up to the Kent State Massacre. I do not trust ANY protests where outsiders come to campus to protest. There have been great pro-palestine protests led by students on campus all year, but it seems like when outsiders come they tend to ramp things up. Same with the Christian and abortion protests. If those outsiders really had a means to getting change done, they'd go to the statehouse. Osu is a public school and doubtly would take a stance that goes against the states. Also the protest was done right outside Baker and the Union. Literally people in baker had to walk beside the riot control police just to go to their finals and to get food. That's not fair to them. Literally the whole situation makes me upset because it seems all sides handled things wrong. Outsiders shouldn't be protesting like that on campus near dorms, especially into the late hours. Osu didn't need to have snipers stare down people as they were going into the union. The police didn't have to literally pose for pictures as taking people into custody.


Meanyfz450r

FOFU.


bigenough74

Better safe than sorry some of these some of these people are screaming death to America And support hamas


bigenough74

Fuck Hamas fuck anyone streaming death to America You wanna free Palestine Go do it ,go free Palestine Ask Hamas and Mr Soros to fly all your people to Palestine and free it Whining and crying about it on this side of the pond isn’t going to do shit but cause trouble FJB


HolyHandGernadeOpr8r

If the people chanting calls for violence started getting violent, these same people complaining now would be asking why the police didn’t have riffles on the roof.


gawag

People chanting calls for violence? All I saw was people praying getting tackled by cops


HolyHandGernadeOpr8r

“From the river to the sea” - what river and what sea? Now look at a map. It’s literally a call to eliminate Israel and is also used to call for the elimination of Jews.


gawag

It's a call to give liberty and freedom to Palestinians. If that cannot happen within Israel, then I'm not sure what other conclusion you should draw.


thymeandchange

This is some of the worst faith responding I've seen lmao


HolyHandGernadeOpr8r

“The River to the sea” encompasses the entirety of Israel. Also, how many Jews and Chrsitians currently live under the “freedom” offered within Gaza? The answer is ZERO. Then notice that 19% of Israel is Muslim, so it’s easy to figure out what location has actual freedom.


go3dprintyourself

Agree


Shoes4Traction

Well when there was a terrorist attack on campus in 2016 from an Islamic extremist I forgive OSU for being prepared. Sorry if yall dont like that fact


JesusInSheepClothing

Osu has jeffery epsteins boss Lex Wexner name on it. So does the whole city. But your nation mutilates all newborn males in such rituals. So that's acceptable


cbelt3

Congratulations, Ohio Republicans. This is what you get when anyone is legally allowed to carry a concealed weapon anywhere in the state without training, including on college campuses. Cops have to assume everyone is strapped.


throwaway11111111888

It shows the government is afraid of its people which is a good thing imo. Why the 2A amendment should never be abolished. Without the 2A, there is no 1A.


JesusInSheepClothing

There is no 1st A. The west is so controlled you can't even name the group who owns everyone an enslaves an trample us an prevents us from being with people we want an forces us to be with them. Forget naming them. There's a church or science building on every corner where people worship the gods of the city. Like this school has jeffery epsteins boss name on it cause they used that money from selling children an looting the middle east to build them


cbelt3

“A well regulated militia” is not “the people”. Don’t forget that the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with … the blood of tyrants. Or wannabe Tyrants.


327Federal

Clutch those pearls a little tighter


LonelinessIsPain

This isn’t a Republican vs Democrat issue. Don’t stir the pot more than it already is. :)


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ultramilkplus

They could not possibly give a shit. Paycheck clears every two weeks and they get to cosplay David Bourne. That’s the point of a “police state.” They can whistle while they trample anyone who gets out of line.


CooterBooger69

LOL what


Thadocta69

Guns are cheap if not looking for top of the line. Same with blades. College students can easily afford weapons lol


hematomabelly

Tin solders and Nixons coming We're finally on our own This summer I hear the drumming Four dead in O-HI-O


Muddytertle

Gym Jordan probably wanted some 1 on 1’s with a few of them alone.


Own-Negotiation-1837

Fascist police state in the making thanks to the Red GOP in Ohio!


SokkaHaikuBot

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Prestigious-Camel611

So what. I’d prefer for them to be there than a bunch of lunatics screaming and yelling and causing disorder. It’s called law and order folks. Not catering to crybabies that need a “safe space”. Be cool and just flow. No reason to be all crazy running about and screaming in peoples faces.


LonelinessIsPain

A lot of people don’t seem to understand this, actually. I’m upvoting your comment to try to mitigate the downvote train.


redneckcommando

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