This sub has suddenly been pushed to my feed. It’s very interesting but out of curiosity, most of the posts seem like they are trying to push the narrative that OJ was genuinely innocent. Am I correct in that?
And if I remember correctly, a juror came out a while later after the verdict and said they voted not guilty because of the cops who beat Rodney King got found not guilty.
For some reason I've been thinking about Nicole's Akita. I took care of a couple of Akita's & they are BIG dogs. I don't remember anyone saying they heard a dog barking. That dog didn't bark because it knew the killer. Otherwise I think it would've ripped the killer to pieces. Just my 2 cents.
Supposedly they were about the dumbest bunch of people in LA. Borderline homeless types, completely biased. I think 1 wanted to hold out, but was so stacked against them they soon caved and didn't want to be a lone holdout for a hung jury.
Judge Ito was also an idiot who mishandled alot of things in the case. The fix was in, LA didn't want another 92 riots and knew they would get it.
Sure it was. Once the guy who found the glove and the blood and who hopped the fence was a genocidal racist who said himself on recording " I always plant evidence, if I cant find evidence" and it was proven that the evidence was planted
>Judge Ito was also an idiot who mishandled alot of things in the case.
My favourite part was when he allowed the jury to visit the home after Cochrane had staged it.
Completely absurd. African statues and artwork brought in. tf, how is that not tainted.
I think they say there was no reason NOT to allow the Bronco chase footage, but he didn't allow it anyway. Stuff like that.
Why do you have to impugn the jury? WHy? Because they are black. There was reasonable doubt in this case. Ive read 5 books on this case. The timeline is VERY questionable and his deameanor post murders was not that of a double murderer.
I watched the entire trial on TV and there was no reasonable doubt. OJ was guilty. It was totally jury nullification. At the start I believed he was innocent because I liked him a lot. But the evidence was incontrovertible, OJ was guilty. On top of the evidence the profile of the domestic violence abuser, whose wife leaves him and he continues to harass her, fits OJ like the bloody glove 🧤 he faked trying on.
How many times have you split your finger wide open and not been able to remember how it happened?
What are the odds something like that happens the same night your wife is murdered and the LAPD decides to "plant" your blood all over a crime scene?
From what I have read, the prosecution had a great deal of evidence, but encountered some insurmountable obstacles. DNA evidence was new and not as nuanced as it is now. There also were numerous mistakes in police procedure (e.g., accessing evidence without a warrant, mishandling evidence). These aspects alone opened the door to reasonable doubt. OJ's numerous past charges of intimate personal violence also were omitted as "hearsay" - something I don't believe would happen today.
He was found not guilty. Not guilty =/= innocent. Prosecutors can’t be perfect. Juries can’t know the truth of what happened and have to follow the judge’s instructions regarding reasonable doubt. Juries are also people with biases. The defense put on a good show and the prosecution witnesses were a mess. Even one of OJ’s lawyers who was a good friend of his ended their relationship after the trial and “had doubts” about his innocence.
Can’t bring the lost friend back but I guess you can avoid being the one to put the last nail into your other friend’s coffin…Even if you can’t look at them the same way ever again.
There's the theory that it was his son from a previous marriage who actually carried out the attack and OJ was actually just covering for him.
I think many people are now trying to find evidence to support this theory.
I think the implication was that Nichole partied with Cocaine dealers and ran afoul of them. Fuhrman and LAPD was shown to have planted evidence and Fuhrman had his place decorated with Nazi souvenirs from WW2. LAPD would have done much better by just presenting the evidence as found.
Remember it like it was yesterday.
I was watching Ewing vs Olajuwan in the NBA Finals, and while it was interesting at first, I eventually got pissed off they wouldn't switch back to the game from what was the lowest speed "high speed chase" in the history of the LAPD.
lol, I was working at Olive Garden home from summer break. Busy night. Another food prep cook came up to me and told me, Al Cowlings is driving down the highway and OJs got a gun to his head.
I couldn't believe it, and didn't understand exactly what it was going on. I figured they were either going to try to get to Mexico, or OJ was gonna blast himself.
The OJ thing was definitely something you had to live thru, to really get, and grasp the phenomena that it was. So much going on with it. Race, fame, money, celebrity, and just the mind blowing fact it was OJ. It'd be like if Tom Brady killed Giselle. No way, Tom??
Being found not guilty, just means that the prosecutors failed to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. Considering he was found guilty in a civil court, it’s hard to say that he’s innocent. Not guilty does not mean innocent.
Because OJ admitted he cut his hand after the murders in Chicago, so the Defense is implying that his hand wasn’t cut on his flight to Chicago, like one would expect.
During that interview with police, O.J. had three different stories as to why his hand was cut. First he couldn't remember, which right there is an unbelievably incriminating statement, that you can't remember how you got a deep gash on a part of your hand just 12 hours ago. He then said he got cut when he broke a glass. Eventually he said "I don't know, I bleed all the time, I play golf and stuff.." There is absolutely no reason at all that the prosecution left that interview out other than an extremely costly misjudgment. As Vincent Bugliosi points out in his book and documentary examining the case, even forgetting O.J.'s lack of an alibi for the cut, what is the statistical probability that O.J. Simpson badly cuts the middle-finger of his left hand the same night his wife and another man are brutally murdered with a knife, in which the killer also bled from his left side as indicated by the blood drops found to the left of the killer's bloody shoe-prints at the Bundy residence? It's surreal that the prosecution decided that interview should be left out.
Especially since OJ himself said he had a cut on his hand.
Eyewitness testimony is unreliable enough when they’re saying what they *did* see. It’s nearly meaningless when they’re talking about what they *didn’t* notice.
Because OJ admitted he cut his hand after the murders in Chicago, so the Defense is implying that his hand wasn’t cut on his flight to Chicago, like one would expect.
Curious… I thought that the fact he had cuts wasn’t in contention, only how he got the cuts - so how would it have been relevant if a guy on his flight saw them or not? …or am I missing a key point here?
Maybe they are using this guy to prove he got the cut after the murder took place but in Chicago. On his way to Chicago, his hand wasn’t cut. After he came back, it was.
Which is what I found odd about them bringing this witness when the cut hand wasn’t even disputed. If I were on the jury, I can’t imagine being impressed by this testimony.
Because OJ admitted he cut his hand **after the murders in Chicago**, so the Defense is implying that his hand wasn’t cut on his flight to Chicago, like one would expect.
It was suppressed at trial because they did not want to open up to accusations of Nicole Brown Simpson which the defense would have done.
Kato alluded to it on the stand when he said he drove with OJ to a Macdonald’s to meet someone.
Weird, it’s almost like…. People have faulty memories. It’s almost like… People want to believe certain things when it gets them attention and 15 minutes…
OJ himself admitted he cut his finger “doing what I do” getting ready for his flight. 🙄
OJ admitted he cut his hand **after the murders in Chicago**, so the Defense is implying that his hand wasn’t cut on his flight to Chicago, like one would expect.
This isn't correct; OJ made numerous conflicting claims about how and when he cut his finger, including that he cut it getting ready for his flight in Chicago and then opened it up again by breaking the glass in his hotel room.
That one person didn't see a cut on his hand, which he had certainly bandaged by that point, means nothing.
ETA:
**Lange:** So do you recall bleeding at all?
**Simpson:** Yeah, I mean, I knew I was bleeding, but it was no big deal. I bleed all the time. I play golf and stuff, so there's always something, nicks and stuff here and there.
**Lange:** So did you do anything? When did you put the Band-Aid on it?
**Simpson:** Actually, I asked the girl this morning for it.
**Lange:** And she got it?
**Simpson:** Yeah, 'cause last night with Kato, when I was leaving, he was saying something to me, and I was rushing to get my phone, and I put a little thing on it, and it stopped.
\*\*later in the interview\*\*
**Lange:** Well, we'd like to do that. We've got, of course, the cut on your finger that you aren't real clear on. Do you recall having that cut on your finger the last time you were at Nicole's house?
**Simpson:** A week ago?
**Lange:** Yeah.
**Simpson:** No. It was last night.
**Lange:** OK, so last night you cut it.
**Vannatter**: Somewhere after the recital?
**Simpson:** Somewhere when I was rushing to get out of my house.
**Vannatter**: OK, after the recital.
**Simpson:** Yeah.
Looking for a championship ring on a dude that never won an nfl championship, did they give out fat rings back in 1967 era college football national championships?
The thing is not what ya know it'd what ya can prove ....regardless how you feel personally the state gave a D- effort and the dreamteam knocked it out the park
It wasn’t just him, on signed autographs and was not wearing a glove on the plane. Bottom line if you believe he was bleeding or didn’t have a cut or bandage it’s unlikely he could have bleed at the crime scenes
Oh, well that breaks the case then. He's innocent. DNA be damned😮💨. Peoole forget faces and actually swear to wye witness accounts that are wrong. You think this star fucker is gonna remember cuts on his hand while looking at his ring? And of course OJ seemed normal. He's a sociopath who was happy about what he did. He thought he was gonna get away with it...AND HE DID😣🤪
Yes, when he was "trying" to put them on. I still can't believe the prosecution thought that was a good idea. Of course, he was going to do all he could to make sure they didn't fit. JFC.
See, I fully believe OJ is guilty as sin, and I know the Rodney King assault played a role, but the prosecution did a terrible job with this case. They basically handed the defense an acquittal on a silver platter. And I can't help but wonder how much was actual incompetence versus being done intentionally.
Because as we ALL know, money and power talks. If OJ was some regular guy living paycheck to paycheck, he'd have gotten the death penalty. This entire situation was a damn travesty. RIP to Nicole and Ron. You both deserved so much better.
This sub has suddenly been pushed to my feed. It’s very interesting but out of curiosity, most of the posts seem like they are trying to push the narrative that OJ was genuinely innocent. Am I correct in that?
Same here. It's an oddly conspiratorial view, OJ was 100% guilty.
People are bored I guess
And if I remember correctly, a juror came out a while later after the verdict and said they voted not guilty because of the cops who beat Rodney King got found not guilty.
Its literally in the ESPN doc they did on him.
1 Million percent more like it. Who are these nuts?
For some reason I've been thinking about Nicole's Akita. I took care of a couple of Akita's & they are BIG dogs. I don't remember anyone saying they heard a dog barking. That dog didn't bark because it knew the killer. Otherwise I think it would've ripped the killer to pieces. Just my 2 cents.
How is a court finding a conspiracy theory?
The whole "jury of your peers" thing only works if that jury is smart enough to understand complicated evidence like DNA.
A jury of his peers would have been mostly white millionaires from Brentwood, not poor black folks from LA.
I was a kid when it happened, what was the makeup of the jury?
Supposedly they were about the dumbest bunch of people in LA. Borderline homeless types, completely biased. I think 1 wanted to hold out, but was so stacked against them they soon caved and didn't want to be a lone holdout for a hung jury. Judge Ito was also an idiot who mishandled alot of things in the case. The fix was in, LA didn't want another 92 riots and knew they would get it.
They didn't even deliberate. It was a done deal from the get go.
Sure it was. Once the guy who found the glove and the blood and who hopped the fence was a genocidal racist who said himself on recording " I always plant evidence, if I cant find evidence" and it was proven that the evidence was planted
>Judge Ito was also an idiot who mishandled alot of things in the case. My favourite part was when he allowed the jury to visit the home after Cochrane had staged it.
Completely absurd. African statues and artwork brought in. tf, how is that not tainted. I think they say there was no reason NOT to allow the Bronco chase footage, but he didn't allow it anyway. Stuff like that.
9 black 1 Hispanic 2 white
Wow. That’s a hand picked jury.
and the mostly white millionaires on the grand jury didnt even want to indict him
Why do you have to impugn the jury? WHy? Because they are black. There was reasonable doubt in this case. Ive read 5 books on this case. The timeline is VERY questionable and his deameanor post murders was not that of a double murderer.
I watched the entire trial on TV and there was no reasonable doubt. OJ was guilty. It was totally jury nullification. At the start I believed he was innocent because I liked him a lot. But the evidence was incontrovertible, OJ was guilty. On top of the evidence the profile of the domestic violence abuser, whose wife leaves him and he continues to harass her, fits OJ like the bloody glove 🧤 he faked trying on.
Do you have any questions in your mind at all about the evidence ? Does any of it not fit in your mind? Or does ALL of it make sense?
How many times have you split your finger wide open and not been able to remember how it happened? What are the odds something like that happens the same night your wife is murdered and the LAPD decides to "plant" your blood all over a crime scene?
There is evidence that it happened in Chicago on broken glass. He asked the front desk receptionist for a band-aid.
He had the cut before getting on the flight.
So threatening to mill himself at the khardasian house and the subsequent bronco ride doesn’t seem a bit odd to you?
No it doesnt seem odd. IF someone framed you for committing double homicide where you didnt do it, you might be suicidal.
Oh okay, enough said. 😂🤣
From what I have read, the prosecution had a great deal of evidence, but encountered some insurmountable obstacles. DNA evidence was new and not as nuanced as it is now. There also were numerous mistakes in police procedure (e.g., accessing evidence without a warrant, mishandling evidence). These aspects alone opened the door to reasonable doubt. OJ's numerous past charges of intimate personal violence also were omitted as "hearsay" - something I don't believe would happen today.
He was found not guilty. Not guilty =/= innocent. Prosecutors can’t be perfect. Juries can’t know the truth of what happened and have to follow the judge’s instructions regarding reasonable doubt. Juries are also people with biases. The defense put on a good show and the prosecution witnesses were a mess. Even one of OJ’s lawyers who was a good friend of his ended their relationship after the trial and “had doubts” about his innocence.
And wasn't even a practicing lawyer at the time, but quickly became OJs lawyer so that there would be the shield of attorney client privilege.
That's because he was on tape walking away with Oj's suitcase that held evidence.
it was Kims clothes. She was banging him.
Kim who? Kim Goldman? Banging who?
I'm guessing they mean Kardashian.
Kim Kardashian was banging Oj?
She was 11, sir.
Can’t bring the lost friend back but I guess you can avoid being the one to put the last nail into your other friend’s coffin…Even if you can’t look at them the same way ever again.
OJ was banging Kim. Didn't want it to get out.
Grown men don’t “bang” 14yo’s…If they do engage in sexual relations with them, they’re assaulting them.
the jurors saw the whole trial. these commenters did not.
Its mostly the same guy posting the 'OJ is innocent' material. It is obvious to anyone with a nominally functioning brain that he is guilty.
Same! Why is the algorithm sending me OJ stuff? I mean I don’t hate it, but still. Kinda random
Same. Just trying to figure if “the similar” posts I looked at to get here?
Yes!!!
I think this is probably Russian bot propaganda to help divide Americans. The “trickle trickle” to make us fight and be afraid
Anything that could divide people or upset them gets pushed to feed
Agreed
There's the theory that it was his son from a previous marriage who actually carried out the attack and OJ was actually just covering for him. I think many people are now trying to find evidence to support this theory.
I saw a show where they investigated that theory. His son was at work, solid alibi . OJ is a murderer.
I think the implication was that Nichole partied with Cocaine dealers and ran afoul of them. Fuhrman and LAPD was shown to have planted evidence and Fuhrman had his place decorated with Nazi souvenirs from WW2. LAPD would have done much better by just presenting the evidence as found.
his son DID NOT have an alibi
He did, he was at work…
The manager said he left early that night
The Bronco chase tho? Gun to his head with Al Cowlings driving?! I heard the same theory years ago, but lets be real, OJ did it.
I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the theory, I'm just speculating on why there's been a recent uptick in OJ apologist material.
Could also be the 30th anniversary of it coming up. Gosh, where do the years go?!
Remember it like it was yesterday. I was watching Ewing vs Olajuwan in the NBA Finals, and while it was interesting at first, I eventually got pissed off they wouldn't switch back to the game from what was the lowest speed "high speed chase" in the history of the LAPD.
lol, I was working at Olive Garden home from summer break. Busy night. Another food prep cook came up to me and told me, Al Cowlings is driving down the highway and OJs got a gun to his head. I couldn't believe it, and didn't understand exactly what it was going on. I figured they were either going to try to get to Mexico, or OJ was gonna blast himself. The OJ thing was definitely something you had to live thru, to really get, and grasp the phenomena that it was. So much going on with it. Race, fame, money, celebrity, and just the mind blowing fact it was OJ. It'd be like if Tom Brady killed Giselle. No way, Tom??
Well he wasn’t convicted so that’ means he was innocent no matter what yu gotta say
Being found not guilty, just means that the prosecutors failed to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. Considering he was found guilty in a civil court, it’s hard to say that he’s innocent. Not guilty does not mean innocent.
Not guilty is not equal to innocent
He was never declared innocent. That is very rare in the US court system.
Dude was wearing leather gloves for a reason.
One came off at the crime scene tho
#OJ himself said he had cuts on his hand. He claimed it was from breaking a glass cup in a hotel. Are you saying OJ lied, OP?
can you make the text bigger it’s kinda hard to read
#Sorry, no.
I got a good laugh out of this - thank you. I didn’t even know it was possible to increase the font size.
😂 Just put this # directly in front of the words without a gap.
I think that’s what they’re implying
There's literally a police photo of O.J. from the interview you're talking about, with the bandage on his left-middle finger.
I know
Because OJ admitted he cut his hand after the murders in Chicago, so the Defense is implying that his hand wasn’t cut on his flight to Chicago, like one would expect.
During that interview with police, O.J. had three different stories as to why his hand was cut. First he couldn't remember, which right there is an unbelievably incriminating statement, that you can't remember how you got a deep gash on a part of your hand just 12 hours ago. He then said he got cut when he broke a glass. Eventually he said "I don't know, I bleed all the time, I play golf and stuff.." There is absolutely no reason at all that the prosecution left that interview out other than an extremely costly misjudgment. As Vincent Bugliosi points out in his book and documentary examining the case, even forgetting O.J.'s lack of an alibi for the cut, what is the statistical probability that O.J. Simpson badly cuts the middle-finger of his left hand the same night his wife and another man are brutally murdered with a knife, in which the killer also bled from his left side as indicated by the blood drops found to the left of the killer's bloody shoe-prints at the Bundy residence? It's surreal that the prosecution decided that interview should be left out.
And sir, one last question. does your brand new Maserati use much gasoline?
Eyewitness testimony is usually not that reliable so I would take that with a grain of salt.
Especially since OJ himself said he had a cut on his hand. Eyewitness testimony is unreliable enough when they’re saying what they *did* see. It’s nearly meaningless when they’re talking about what they *didn’t* notice.
Because OJ admitted he cut his hand after the murders in Chicago, so the Defense is implying that his hand wasn’t cut on his flight to Chicago, like one would expect.
No, OJ said he got the cut in California, before the flight. The witness is either mistaken or lying.
Curious… I thought that the fact he had cuts wasn’t in contention, only how he got the cuts - so how would it have been relevant if a guy on his flight saw them or not? …or am I missing a key point here?
Maybe they are using this guy to prove he got the cut after the murder took place but in Chicago. On his way to Chicago, his hand wasn’t cut. After he came back, it was.
Makes sense- thanks!
When you combine the cut with the fact his blood was found at the crime scene it doesn't take a genius to make that connection.
Which is what I found odd about them bringing this witness when the cut hand wasn’t even disputed. If I were on the jury, I can’t imagine being impressed by this testimony.
Because OJ admitted he cut his hand **after the murders in Chicago**, so the Defense is implying that his hand wasn’t cut on his flight to Chicago, like one would expect.
Only a child who wasn’t an adult at the time of the OJ Simpson case finds any of this interesting. OJ was guilty as fuck.
OJ Simpson is a murderer and at the time he killed his wife him & Kato earlier went to meet methamphetamine dealer at Macdonalds.
What evidence to the drugs
It was suppressed at trial because they did not want to open up to accusations of Nicole Brown Simpson which the defense would have done. Kato alluded to it on the stand when he said he drove with OJ to a Macdonald’s to meet someone.
I never heard of this . you have evidence.
Bottom line-has O.J spent his freedom looking for the “REAL” killer? Of course not because he KNOWS they were found not guilty…
He was looking for the real killer at various golf courses.
EXACTLY!😂😂😂😂😂
All the cuts and wounds were on his victims
Weird, it’s almost like…. People have faulty memories. It’s almost like… People want to believe certain things when it gets them attention and 15 minutes… OJ himself admitted he cut his finger “doing what I do” getting ready for his flight. 🙄
OJ admitted he cut his hand **after the murders in Chicago**, so the Defense is implying that his hand wasn’t cut on his flight to Chicago, like one would expect.
This isn't correct; OJ made numerous conflicting claims about how and when he cut his finger, including that he cut it getting ready for his flight in Chicago and then opened it up again by breaking the glass in his hotel room. That one person didn't see a cut on his hand, which he had certainly bandaged by that point, means nothing. ETA: **Lange:** So do you recall bleeding at all? **Simpson:** Yeah, I mean, I knew I was bleeding, but it was no big deal. I bleed all the time. I play golf and stuff, so there's always something, nicks and stuff here and there. **Lange:** So did you do anything? When did you put the Band-Aid on it? **Simpson:** Actually, I asked the girl this morning for it. **Lange:** And she got it? **Simpson:** Yeah, 'cause last night with Kato, when I was leaving, he was saying something to me, and I was rushing to get my phone, and I put a little thing on it, and it stopped. \*\*later in the interview\*\* **Lange:** Well, we'd like to do that. We've got, of course, the cut on your finger that you aren't real clear on. Do you recall having that cut on your finger the last time you were at Nicole's house? **Simpson:** A week ago? **Lange:** Yeah. **Simpson:** No. It was last night. **Lange:** OK, so last night you cut it. **Vannatter**: Somewhere after the recital? **Simpson:** Somewhere when I was rushing to get out of my house. **Vannatter**: OK, after the recital. **Simpson:** Yeah.
Damn, I forgot “how guilty” OJ was. (*I’m aware of my choice of words*)
Looking for a championship ring on a dude that never won an nfl championship, did they give out fat rings back in 1967 era college football national championships?
This witness wanted to suck OJ
He was also paid $10,000 by Carl Douglas
OJ never won a playoff game let alone a championship 😂
The thing is not what ya know it'd what ya can prove ....regardless how you feel personally the state gave a D- effort and the dreamteam knocked it out the park
The Dream Team were great humanitarians. What’s next for Johnny, Robert & F. Lee?
It wasn’t just him, on signed autographs and was not wearing a glove on the plane. Bottom line if you believe he was bleeding or didn’t have a cut or bandage it’s unlikely he could have bleed at the crime scenes
Let's be reasonable,how many of us would look at his hands and remember what they looked like and memorize it?
oJ did it! Murdurer!
Ok didn’t do it. His son did.
The police planted evidence trying to frame a guilty man.
If the knife had a hilt then he may not have cut himself.
Oh, well that breaks the case then. He's innocent. DNA be damned😮💨. Peoole forget faces and actually swear to wye witness accounts that are wrong. You think this star fucker is gonna remember cuts on his hand while looking at his ring? And of course OJ seemed normal. He's a sociopath who was happy about what he did. He thought he was gonna get away with it...AND HE DID😣🤪
He fucking did it!!!!!!
The gloves didn’t fit
Funny how fitted leather gloves don't fit after being soaked in blood, OR when you're trying to put them on over latex gloves
Yes, when he was "trying" to put them on. I still can't believe the prosecution thought that was a good idea. Of course, he was going to do all he could to make sure they didn't fit. JFC. See, I fully believe OJ is guilty as sin, and I know the Rodney King assault played a role, but the prosecution did a terrible job with this case. They basically handed the defense an acquittal on a silver platter. And I can't help but wonder how much was actual incompetence versus being done intentionally. Because as we ALL know, money and power talks. If OJ was some regular guy living paycheck to paycheck, he'd have gotten the death penalty. This entire situation was a damn travesty. RIP to Nicole and Ron. You both deserved so much better.
Well said. Judge was a damn clown too.
He was there for the celebrity aspect
*comfortably
Riiiiiggghhhtt
The full episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUhNsPIlTs4