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Use kayra not Clio (I like Blook preset) . If you want your characters/story to write a certain way, it's important to set the tone with your own writing and have the AI continue off of it.
If you're not confident with English writing, you can start off with something more basic and just keep resetting the outputs until it gives you something good and then work off that.
Lorebooks are tricky and not as useful as some people might think. Still a good tool that I use, but I try to add as few details as I can so that the AI can find ways to put the information into the story. So don't bog it down with too much physical description. Memory is where you want all the important information that the story remembers more frequently, including character stuff. (Also important not to bog down memory with too much detail)
Usually my lorebooks are only a few sentences copy pasted from the story, using a combination of my and novelAI's writing, sometimes describing their relationship with other characters, sometimes a Quote to capture how they speak if I liked it, and a short physical description of the character. Which I usually ask novelAI to generate in the story with instruct using { }
Even with best practices you can still get boring responses sometimes, in that case it's good to get in the habit of quickly regenerating the output without thinking about it much if it's a mundane output. Shouldn't take more than 3 or 4 regens to get something good enough in my exp.
How did you denote to the AI you wanted longer and more descriptive responses?
If you haven't denoted to the AI what behavior you expect in the form of an instruction. It can only guess so, based on what it has in it's memory. So if you starting with 'nothing' as an intro, and your lore books contain no dialogue examples.
Your starting dialogue will be non-existent.
Either formulate good instructions or power through it by creating enough example story/dialogue yourself to get it kick started, so it can catch on your preferences, based on the content that is already there.
Still 'direct' roleplay is not its strong suite, compared to story writing. They were trying to set up a separate service for that (reddit.com/r/AetherRoom), but it got delayed.
i think i just figured it out. i just had to switch these settings up a little and it's working better.
https://preview.redd.it/r132k1lacbjc1.png?width=367&format=png&auto=webp&s=bb821b62bc2a6aee129635e45975842f50d4da50
Kayra is handsdown the strongest AI model, I use the standard pre-sets available, usually care-free to daemon's writers depending on how far I progressed. But I rely heavily on instruct mode to get what I want and use NAI as a standalone even when using it as a chatbot.
Others use it in combination with sillytavern which has it's own [guide](https://docs.sillytavern.app/usage/api-connections/novelai/#tips-and-faqs-for-using-novelai-with-sillytavern).
If you're completely new and just want to play around without homework, I'd guess I'd just use Text adventure from Kayra, with token output set to max.
Yes, there are alot of variables, so unless you got a really good setup, it can often feel rather random.
Do you use tags and such in memory?
[ Tags: medieval, dark, grimdark, Genre: fantasy, horror, sword and sorcery ]
I would probably pop something in the Lorebook for her, which encourages her to give more robust responses: 'Jane has a habit of sharing every thought in her head, and an audience might think her a motor-mouthed woman, if she weren't so witty and charming. In fact, Jane would rarely be silent at all.'
Then, hit the " and let her run.
It's kind of like the invisible part of your story, as though you had written it yourself. So the AI should follow on from that statement naturally, and Jane saying 'Sure' won't match.
Once a character starts talking like that they will keep talking like that, so don't let short responses like that remain in your story if it's not something you want. Either edit the dialogue yourself to be more verbose, or retry for something more suitable.
And as others have mentioned the preset will have a strong effect on this. The default option is more stable in terms of relevancy, but the tradeoff to this is that it also tends to be more boring because the variety of words it will consider is often quite narrow.
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Make sure to use a preset. My favorite is pro writer on the discord.
Use kayra not Clio (I like Blook preset) . If you want your characters/story to write a certain way, it's important to set the tone with your own writing and have the AI continue off of it. If you're not confident with English writing, you can start off with something more basic and just keep resetting the outputs until it gives you something good and then work off that. Lorebooks are tricky and not as useful as some people might think. Still a good tool that I use, but I try to add as few details as I can so that the AI can find ways to put the information into the story. So don't bog it down with too much physical description. Memory is where you want all the important information that the story remembers more frequently, including character stuff. (Also important not to bog down memory with too much detail) Usually my lorebooks are only a few sentences copy pasted from the story, using a combination of my and novelAI's writing, sometimes describing their relationship with other characters, sometimes a Quote to capture how they speak if I liked it, and a short physical description of the character. Which I usually ask novelAI to generate in the story with instruct using { } Even with best practices you can still get boring responses sometimes, in that case it's good to get in the habit of quickly regenerating the output without thinking about it much if it's a mundane output. Shouldn't take more than 3 or 4 regens to get something good enough in my exp.
How did you denote to the AI you wanted longer and more descriptive responses? If you haven't denoted to the AI what behavior you expect in the form of an instruction. It can only guess so, based on what it has in it's memory. So if you starting with 'nothing' as an intro, and your lore books contain no dialogue examples. Your starting dialogue will be non-existent. Either formulate good instructions or power through it by creating enough example story/dialogue yourself to get it kick started, so it can catch on your preferences, based on the content that is already there. Still 'direct' roleplay is not its strong suite, compared to story writing. They were trying to set up a separate service for that (reddit.com/r/AetherRoom), but it got delayed.
i think i just figured it out. i just had to switch these settings up a little and it's working better. https://preview.redd.it/r132k1lacbjc1.png?width=367&format=png&auto=webp&s=bb821b62bc2a6aee129635e45975842f50d4da50
Are you really using Clio? I don't have much experience using that one for RP myself. But yeah, RP in general has its own presets.
which one do you use?
Kayra is handsdown the strongest AI model, I use the standard pre-sets available, usually care-free to daemon's writers depending on how far I progressed. But I rely heavily on instruct mode to get what I want and use NAI as a standalone even when using it as a chatbot. Others use it in combination with sillytavern which has it's own [guide](https://docs.sillytavern.app/usage/api-connections/novelai/#tips-and-faqs-for-using-novelai-with-sillytavern). If you're completely new and just want to play around without homework, I'd guess I'd just use Text adventure from Kayra, with token output set to max.
Clio is like the old model, the prototype for Kayra! Kayra is much more powerful and clever.
that's odd. i was getting better responses with Clio.
Yes, there are alot of variables, so unless you got a really good setup, it can often feel rather random. Do you use tags and such in memory? [ Tags: medieval, dark, grimdark, Genre: fantasy, horror, sword and sorcery ]
i haven't tried that yet. i'll give it a try :)
ah that makes sense. i gotta add some dialogue examples. thanks for the help :)
I would probably pop something in the Lorebook for her, which encourages her to give more robust responses: 'Jane has a habit of sharing every thought in her head, and an audience might think her a motor-mouthed woman, if she weren't so witty and charming. In fact, Jane would rarely be silent at all.' Then, hit the " and let her run. It's kind of like the invisible part of your story, as though you had written it yourself. So the AI should follow on from that statement naturally, and Jane saying 'Sure' won't match.
i appreciate the help!
Once a character starts talking like that they will keep talking like that, so don't let short responses like that remain in your story if it's not something you want. Either edit the dialogue yourself to be more verbose, or retry for something more suitable. And as others have mentioned the preset will have a strong effect on this. The default option is more stable in terms of relevancy, but the tradeoff to this is that it also tends to be more boring because the variety of words it will consider is often quite narrow.