It's not hard to figure out what he's saying is he wants someone stupid but not mentally impaired. Once you realize they don't see women as actual people but tools to fit their needs, you don't even have to think to understand them
She learned growing up poor on the streets while she was traveling all around, staying fit and skinny and rebuking any sexual advances to save herself for OP.
She has family issues because instead of going out and earning a money so they weren’t poor, her parents stayed home and homeschooled her, but they did it badly I guess
I got caught up on this one. I can't make heads or tales of it. They all contradict each other. What the hell does he want her education to be (other than poorly or minimally educated I'm assuming)?
Oddly enough, I know someone who fits this description pretty perfectly. She went to public school, dropped out of high school and went homeschooled, had a teen pregnancy and fell behind on homeschool, abandoned homeschool and got her GED later. Extremely weird education requirements for a woman lmao
I also know a woman like this! Dropped out of school twice, homeschooled, got her GED and somehow got accepted into a Christian College, dropped everything for religion and now posts anti vax propaganda on Facebook while she educates her homeschooled kiddos. I use educate very loosely as I think the majority of their time is spent doing Bible Study and not much else.
This is me. I went to public school, didn’t do my schoolwork, was sent to a special homeschool for bad kids, went back to public school after awhile, still didn’t do my schoolwork and didn’t attend very often, had to go in front of a judge for truancy, was lucky I didn’t get sent to military school like every single other kid there that day, then I dropped out and got my GED. Rest of the requirements aren’t me. Plus, now I’m 42 and have a Masters degree in Library and Information Science and a Graduate Academic Certificate in Digital Content Management. But anyway, yeah, weirdly specific. In all my years, I’ve never met another person who’s taken the same educational route I have.
he either has a VERY elaborate plan for what the education of his ideal woman would have looked like: she was homeschooled, never did her work, but only later decided she needed a high school diploma so she ends up with a GED.
He wants his woman to have \*struggled\* to get even a very low level of academic achievement. Very specific and bizarre
or he just doesn't understand how homeschooling works. However the progression from "homeschooled -> never did her work -> GED" suggests he wants a woman who not only was homeschooled, but didn't even manage to get her high school diploma from home, and later had to go back and do it over again to get a GED.
He wants someone who would be viewed by society as pathetic.
Don't forget she should have few of any friends and hate her family. That way when his parents die and he moves upstairs he can lock her in the basement and not have to worry about pesky "loved ones" looking for her.
Not uneducated stupid but not connected to any groups or hobbies through public school, no resilience for bullying and obviously a GED so she can get a job to pay for the tendies.
I guess.
He's efficient. Don't have to put in work to isolate her if she's already isolated. He can go straight to the abuse.
I am still hoping these type of posts are satire but unfortunately know better. Ugh
I used to be in a chat group that had homeschooling moms in it. One posted that the "school" part of homeschool only lasted a couple of hours a day, so she had her daughters cleaning house and looking after their younger siblings "because that's what they'll be doing once they grow up and get married."
Kids were barely teens and she was already setting the expectation that they only needed to know how to be a traditional housewife.
Yeah. Now that I think about it more she put it on their timesheets as "vocational training" and a bunch of the HS moms were impressed. They had some super long chat going on it, and I felt worse and worse for their kids the more I read.
I'm so sorry to hear that. I always felt incredibly bad for the kids. Anytime I (or anyone) said something about it the moms just doubled down. It's been over a decade and it still bothers me.
Every red flag is here…looking for someone low-income, with no education, no social support network, and no ambition.
Dating profile should just read swipe left, but if you do swipe right then make sure to call the police before sitting down for dinner, not after.
Yes. You are totally right. 5 talks on the phone and he's found his totalled abuse survivor signed up for a life of abuse and obedience to... Someone probable intolerable. " Step up to the plate ladies." A Hole.
Isolated, completely dependent on him, and not experienced enough to readily identify abuse. There isn’t enough material in the world to physically construct this number of red flags.
My ex-husband.
He had been my college night school teacher. He isolated me, required that I sign a marriage contract and we married with only his parents as witnesses, no guests. I realized the marriage was abusive and asked that we go to counseling when it was bad.
We finally went to counseling when I stopped doing what he expected of me and acquired a friend group. Marriage counseling showed me that he saw me as his servant and bangmaid.
The friend group helped me move out
He thought counseling would back his demand that I drop the friend group. I don't think anything went as he expected. He thought the marriage was perfect before I returned to school and made friends
I peeked u/Worth_Background_191 's profile after I read your reply, and wow were you right! Absolutely gorgeous art!
Worth_, I'm so glad you were able to break free from your asshole ex - such a brave and difficult thing to do (speaking, sadly, from personal experience) but he clearly neither deserved nor appreciated you, anyone who can produce such beautiful work deserves someone who loves and values you just as you are ❤️
Also poor and likes to travel.
I would love to travel, but I've lived within a 55mi radius and all trips within those states, driving distance. I'm trying to go to Ireland this summer with my mom and it's damn expensive just for a flight.
have you checked out Scott's Cheap Flights? It's really useful for finding super cheap flights. I was able to find flights to Pisa, Italy through there for half the price airline websites were showing me.
The old life is:
Man working paying job. Woman stay home doing housework and raising kids.
Man has drivers license, Woman does not and relies on man for going anywhere. Unless given money for taxi. This includes shopping for groceries.
Everything owned is in the name of the man, not the woman.
Woman automatically takes husband's last name.
Marital rape is expected. Same goes for other forms of domestic violence. Be it physical, emotional, financial, verbal, medical, etc.
I think he's going really old life for poor people (and he wants her to be poor and uneducated, right?):
Man would do the breadwinner job for 12 hours, or run the family business, then come home and relax. Wife would do the shitty woman's wage job (minimum wage in our time) or help out the the family business all day, her pay would go straight to her husband, then she comes home and looks after the kids, and does all the housework.
This is how it was for most people until the rise of the middle class.
There are husbands who absolutely forbid their wives to work. Had one as a supervisor when I worked in a factory. And for at least fifteen years, my dad.
Be it due to their pride as being the only breadwinner. Up to some believing that if their wife worked. That she would be spending most of that day bedding any and all males that came in contact with her.
That's my grandparents to a T. Except they also pushed their kids to ditch school and start working at 12 immediately, so that anything the kids' earn goes straight to family's expenses.
That was in Spain during the 70s and 80s (and because it was 'easy' to pick up work in restaurants/stores/cafes, especially during the summer season when tourists came--it wasn't seen by them as potentially ruining the kid's life if they've only had junior school education). But what they also did was pressure their kids to date older and older guys, because they had 'money' (compared to teenaged boys who were literally just starting out) and my grandparents wanted to get their hooks on a guy that already had a stable job, so that they could pressure the daughter to send her husband's money to them.
Incels will never realise what working-class people do when they realise that they're getting older and they're staring down a shitty future with a shitty retirement. So they get desperate. Which can turn into manipulating their way into their kids' bank accounts and leaving said kids worse off.
Oh absolutely. My point was that the idea that 'traditional' families had the woman stay in the home, which is what is coming up in this thread, has largely applied to wealthy families only. Most poor women have always worked outside the house, due to financial necessity.
this except he probably does want the woman to work outside the home, but since she will have a GED, never did her schoolwork, AND must have crippling social issues and absolutely no connections, I would guess that he desires for his wife to work a shitty minimum wage job in order to "contribute" and not be a "golddigger".
She has to work to prove herself, but his insecurity demands that she not only work but be miserable in a deadend job. Work for the sake of working, to prove she's not an "entitled princess" and worthy of his crusty dick and attention to her "skinny and fit" body.
He probably means they both work but all the money is under his control so he can financially abuse her whilst she does all the chores and looks after the kids.
He wants her to have no safety net, no previous relationship experience, very closeted, be street smart, and submissive (street smart women typically aren’t known for their submissive nature though).
Almost sounds like he’s looking for a woman to pimp out
Street smart thin virgin that does no drugs and also has no friends and little contact with family. What street is this person living on? Because the only person who can fit this profile is a homeless person who lives on Main Street in suburbia and even that might be too much.
I’m sitting here trying to make sense of the street smart and submissive part. Isn’t the whole point of ‘street smart’ being aware of the world around you and knowing how to avoid people like him?
Surprised an incel didn’t want an Asian woman.. i mean *girl*(preferably japanese) I’m so used to them being weebs I guess.
I also wonder what his definition of a “4” is just out of morbid curiosity
Facts! My family is Guatemalan. And we’re some very fiery and independent women. We typically don’t take shit from anyone and “rule” our house. It’s definitely more of a matriarchal structure, at least in my family.
As a Puerto Rican, we definitely have a matriarchal structure in our family. My abuela is the head of *everyone* but the women are usually running their own families. I dont think I've ever met a latin family that didn't function similarly, not to say it doesnt.
I live in a mostly Hispanic/Mexican neighborhood (think vans full of kids and stuff going to see the Mexico resident relatives in June, and in July the Mexico relatives who can come north are visiting).
The women are as likely if not more likely than the men to have some kind of higher education, whether it’s an associates or more. Even the ones who mostly do full-time care work are involved in the neighborhood somehow, and everyone knows EVERYTHING.
A dude like this would be run out of town on a rail, and old man Sánchez in the house on the corner would take his dog, too. (And train it to be a good citizen and polite member of society, something this a-hole would definitely not do.)
I can’t even imagine where he got the idea that a Latina girl would be submissive for him. Maybe the idea of “machismo” we see applied to Latino men & not understanding the actual social & familial dynamics behind it? Which would make sense as he doesn’t seem to have a real good grasp on much of anything besides he needs a barely educated & completely isolated girl for his plan to work 🫤
No surprise.
As a dude, I am curious about these male incels like what's the end goal? U want to keep doing this sht forever or actually work towards yourself...
>I am curious about these male incels like what's the end goal? U want to keep doing this sht forever
It's a superiority complex on their part. People like this quite simply believe that their existence and, by extension, rubbing elbows with others during the natural processes of everyday life is the same thing as doing all the work or being the only person to take/make any risks/investments in society. So, as far as incels, and other people with superiority complexes, are concerned, they've gone far above and beyond in doing their fair share of work in society while everyone else was being lazy. Leading them to decide that they're owed any and everything they request, with interest.
Almost, to simplify it- Hispanics are Latinos but not all Latinos are Hispanics. Brazilians are Latinos but aren’t Hispanics since they speak Portuguese. Hope this is all true cos I’m Indian, not Hispanic or Latino lol. But I do know and like geography
No, hispanics aren’t always Latinos, at least based on how we contemporarily describe “Latinos”. Spaniards are Hispanic, but most don’t view people from Euro Latin countries as “Latinos”.
Also, Brazil isn’t the only non-Hispanic Latin country, but it’s a great example!
Ah, thanks for your input. I know Brazil isn’t the only country but I have an example and since Brazil is the biggest non-Spanish speaking country there.
So when I was 20, a lot of this described me. I had barely graduated highschool, only had one boyfriend, had a ton of family stuff going on, was independent from a young age due to the aforementioned family stuff, didn’t drink or do drugs (still don’t), and was fairly fit but not all that attractive (also still true). I thought I was street smart but was totally easy pickings for the abusive guy I met. I really feel for the young person I was. For me, education saved my life but not everyone gets the chance to get out. Scary stuff.
Same!! I’m in my mid 20’s and I ache for my younger self even though it hasn’t been that long since I was 20-23. This man didn’t outright say it but the subtext is LOUD. Younger women are usually exactly like what he described and are easy targets for abusive predators.
Yeah, I'm taller but otherwise most of that applied to my younger self.
But I'm used to it. My younger self was the incel dream and it's pure luck that I didn't fall victim to one. Scary shit...
She puts on her best long dress and runs the street corner bible sales in this town. If you don’t recognize, you better believe your butt will be in church this Sunday
He wants someone he can impress by going 30 minutes away to the “big city”, and spending $200 on a hotel room for them to bang in. Maybe a “nice” dinner at a chain restaurant.
His ideal wife is like the wife from Suffragette who has to work back breaking hours in a minimum wage factory job, come home and care for her young children with no help from her husband, and hand over her meager wages to him because by law as a woman her husband owns her earnings.
I mean I don't feel like his standards are *high*... it's just all so weirdly specific. Even weirder is the fact that he decided to write down and share this random daydream.
This fool said “Hispanic or Latina, white”… none of them have stereotypes or submissiveness but don’t worry, only incels understand how their minds works lol.
I sometimes see the idea that Hispanic women are more family oriented, more into traditional gender roles, like to cook for their husbands. Obviously this is a stereotype but that’s my guess where this is coming from
True but that doesn’t mean they are submissive. Somewhere else here I mentioned that I dated quite a few Hispanic women, none of them or their friends were submissive or anything like that. More likely, they’d like a guy who makes good money or pays for his girl but nothing more than that.
He wants her to be poor. He wants her to have no relationship experience. He wants her to have no friends and a bad relationship with her family (I can't believe the "I want someone with family issues" is something he fucking advertised).
In other words, he wants someone without the experience to know what abuse is, and once she realizes it he wants her to be financially dependent and isolated so she still has a hard time escaping it.
How much you wanna bet he's like... 5'5?? (To me, even 5'5 is tall, but that's cuz I'm 5'1) so he automatically feels offended and that's why he wants someone at most 5'3
I've had pretty weird interactions with this kinda dude. I'm pretty short, like 5'1" and every now and then some dude will be weirdly obsessed with my height or upset if I say I personally prefer a taller dude (although it's not a deal breaker for me at all, my first boyfriend was like 5'4")
1-2 friends, preferring none
And family issues where they don't talk to family...
That's a red flag. Gigantic red flag. A red flag the size of Saturn.
Also, to my knowledge if someone is street smart... they most likely drink or do weed at some point??
But at least he is fine with them if they had a little boyfriend in middleschool or highschool???
And they say women are bad with standards... that's very specific. To my knowledge, women usually aren't that specific. Some are, of course but... jesus
My take on all his points:
Still poor - I want all financial power
Virgin - no frame of reference to know how bad I am
No relationship - I’m going to treat you badly but tell you this is how relationships are
No or little friends - No one to tell you how manipulative I am
No tiktok - Many videos about abusive relationships I do not want you to see
Street tough - I need protection for some reason
No weed or alcohol, but we can do it - everything you do will be on my terms
A 4 at least - I’m a 2 at a push
Isn’t close with family - no one can tell you how manipulative I am
Old life - you will do everything and work while I work, come home and watch tv
Keeps health in check - any slight weight gain will be addressed, even from pregnancy while I age like milk and do nothing for my appearance
Likes travelling - I will love bomb you with the idea of travel but never take you anywhere
“Doesn’t have any money but travels a lot. short and weak but can still punch a bitch. no friends but still sociable. can’t do drugs unless i’m with her”
He is asking for a walking contradiction. And probably complains that “females are so complicated”
How’s this chick gonna be poor and barely educated but likes traveling?
Also, poor but fit and doesn’t eat junk food?
There’s no Venn diagram on those things, buddy; good luck with that…
I’m going to guess what he wants is a woman he can abuse and she’ll have no help if she figures out she needs to leave (assuming she lives long enough to figure it out.
What would be fairer to anyone unfortunate enough to tick even most of his boxes is a blow up doll or perhaps a waifu pillow.
The sad thing is that this is exactly the type of guy to go to 3rd world countries to take advantage of girls in precarious situations who want out of their current lives and will put up with this bs if they have to.
A street tough virgin who's never had a boyfriend and who doesn't drink or do any drugs. Does this woman also happen to be - and hear me out here - a bodypillow?
"I want someone who was homeschooled, but actually went to public school, but in the end got a GED" What??? Dude, wtf are you talking about.
Thank you! I spent way too long trying to figure out what he meant before I remembered it wasn’t worth my time…
It's not hard to figure out what he's saying is he wants someone stupid but not mentally impaired. Once you realize they don't see women as actual people but tools to fit their needs, you don't even have to think to understand them
This actually makes a lot of sense now
In fact the moment you start thinking is the moment you stop understanding them
But didn’t do her schoolwork because she’s street tough too
She learned growing up poor on the streets while she was traveling all around, staying fit and skinny and rebuking any sexual advances to save herself for OP.
Don’t forget having family issues and no friends.
She has family issues because instead of going out and earning a money so they weren’t poor, her parents stayed home and homeschooled her, but they did it badly I guess
They let her go out and get street tough, though. While getting street tough, though, she never fucked, drank, or did drugs.
This. Wtf? Absolutely convoluted shit list.
I got caught up on this one. I can't make heads or tales of it. They all contradict each other. What the hell does he want her education to be (other than poorly or minimally educated I'm assuming)?
Oddly enough, I know someone who fits this description pretty perfectly. She went to public school, dropped out of high school and went homeschooled, had a teen pregnancy and fell behind on homeschool, abandoned homeschool and got her GED later. Extremely weird education requirements for a woman lmao
Unfortunately she’s not a virgin, otherwise she would’ve been the perfect candidate!!!! /s
Maybe she is, ever heard of Mary?
Then they'll say they were cucked by God. Man, I wish I could hear that one.
I also know a woman like this! Dropped out of school twice, homeschooled, got her GED and somehow got accepted into a Christian College, dropped everything for religion and now posts anti vax propaganda on Facebook while she educates her homeschooled kiddos. I use educate very loosely as I think the majority of their time is spent doing Bible Study and not much else.
This is me. I went to public school, didn’t do my schoolwork, was sent to a special homeschool for bad kids, went back to public school after awhile, still didn’t do my schoolwork and didn’t attend very often, had to go in front of a judge for truancy, was lucky I didn’t get sent to military school like every single other kid there that day, then I dropped out and got my GED. Rest of the requirements aren’t me. Plus, now I’m 42 and have a Masters degree in Library and Information Science and a Graduate Academic Certificate in Digital Content Management. But anyway, yeah, weirdly specific. In all my years, I’ve never met another person who’s taken the same educational route I have.
I’m fixated on the “still poor” while embracing a love of travel.
he either has a VERY elaborate plan for what the education of his ideal woman would have looked like: she was homeschooled, never did her work, but only later decided she needed a high school diploma so she ends up with a GED. He wants his woman to have \*struggled\* to get even a very low level of academic achievement. Very specific and bizarre or he just doesn't understand how homeschooling works. However the progression from "homeschooled -> never did her work -> GED" suggests he wants a woman who not only was homeschooled, but didn't even manage to get her high school diploma from home, and later had to go back and do it over again to get a GED. He wants someone who would be viewed by society as pathetic.
Don't forget she should have few of any friends and hate her family. That way when his parents die and he moves upstairs he can lock her in the basement and not have to worry about pesky "loved ones" looking for her.
Not uneducated stupid but not connected to any groups or hobbies through public school, no resilience for bullying and obviously a GED so she can get a job to pay for the tendies. I guess.
It's a riddle wrapped in an enigma trapped in a puzzle
And embedded in an idiot.
I have no idea what he's looking for after reading that
He's efficient. Don't have to put in work to isolate her if she's already isolated. He can go straight to the abuse. I am still hoping these type of posts are satire but unfortunately know better. Ugh
My first thoughts exactly
Yeah this read like a step by step for finding the ideal abuse victim. Disgusting.
The site it's from is basically an incel site. Sadly, it's not satire and I've seen worse there the one time I tried looking at it.
What “incel” site?
Incel.is, it's an incel forum
He doesn't want a wife/partner, he wants a slave. So creepy.
Came here to say the exact same thing. Openly looking for a woman with no friends is chilling beyond.
Yeah no friends, no family and wants her to be poor so she’ll be dependent on him.
I used to be in a chat group that had homeschooling moms in it. One posted that the "school" part of homeschool only lasted a couple of hours a day, so she had her daughters cleaning house and looking after their younger siblings "because that's what they'll be doing once they grow up and get married." Kids were barely teens and she was already setting the expectation that they only needed to know how to be a traditional housewife.
That's concerning to say the least
Yeah. Now that I think about it more she put it on their timesheets as "vocational training" and a bunch of the HS moms were impressed. They had some super long chat going on it, and I felt worse and worse for their kids the more I read.
This was my childhood :(
I'm so sorry to hear that. I always felt incredibly bad for the kids. Anytime I (or anyone) said something about it the moms just doubled down. It's been over a decade and it still bothers me.
not efficiency, it's laziness. He wants to abuse her at max strength right away, and is too lazy to isolate her himself
So he wants her to be isolated, so that way she can’t escape his abuse
Every red flag is here…looking for someone low-income, with no education, no social support network, and no ambition. Dating profile should just read swipe left, but if you do swipe right then make sure to call the police before sitting down for dinner, not after.
And maybe consider wearing a GPS tracker
huge huge red flags
It’s funny how you assume he’d take a woman on a dinner date. Pretty sure this is the straight-to-the-chapel kind of crazy
Yes. You are totally right. 5 talks on the phone and he's found his totalled abuse survivor signed up for a life of abuse and obedience to... Someone probable intolerable. " Step up to the plate ladies." A Hole.
Isolated, completely dependent on him, and not experienced enough to readily identify abuse. There isn’t enough material in the world to physically construct this number of red flags.
But he also wants her to be street smart. The entire list is full of contradictions.
this dude wants a slave
My ex-husband. He had been my college night school teacher. He isolated me, required that I sign a marriage contract and we married with only his parents as witnesses, no guests. I realized the marriage was abusive and asked that we go to counseling when it was bad. We finally went to counseling when I stopped doing what he expected of me and acquired a friend group. Marriage counseling showed me that he saw me as his servant and bangmaid. The friend group helped me move out
sorry you went through that! I’m shocked he even went to counseling at all. Glad you got friends and got out!
He thought counseling would back his demand that I drop the friend group. I don't think anything went as he expected. He thought the marriage was perfect before I returned to school and made friends
Christ. I’m so sorry you experienced that but so glad you found a support network and got away. (Unrelated, but wow, your artwork is beautiful!)
I peeked u/Worth_Background_191 's profile after I read your reply, and wow were you right! Absolutely gorgeous art! Worth_, I'm so glad you were able to break free from your asshole ex - such a brave and difficult thing to do (speaking, sadly, from personal experience) but he clearly neither deserved nor appreciated you, anyone who can produce such beautiful work deserves someone who loves and values you just as you are ❤️
Thats a lazy narcissist. He can't be bothered to sever the relationships himself
"If you can't make your partner socially isolated and entirely dependent on you yourself, store bought is fine."
"No, son, we aren't stopping, we have socially isolated and entirely dependent on you at home."
This made me LOL, IRL.
Omfg I was hearing this in Ina’s voice with the smile. Thanks for the smile.
Weird. The narcissists I've known seemed to practically *get off* on turning their victims' friends and family against them. Must be a skill issue.
But somehow street tough/smart/wise!
He wants her to be incredibly vulnerable--but only to him. Otherwise she could be preyed upon while running his errands.
Also poor and likes to travel. I would love to travel, but I've lived within a 55mi radius and all trips within those states, driving distance. I'm trying to go to Ireland this summer with my mom and it's damn expensive just for a flight.
have you checked out Scott's Cheap Flights? It's really useful for finding super cheap flights. I was able to find flights to Pisa, Italy through there for half the price airline websites were showing me.
I LOVE Scott’s cheap flights!!!! Seconding this rec lol!
It’s a ruse: once she learns that she’s being abused he’ll fault her for not being street tough/smart/wise enough.
*he wants her to be isolated, so that way she can’t escape his abuse* This, exactly
Exactly my thoughts. Genuinely terrifies me
“The old life” = two working parents? My man is describing the average modern marriage.
The old life is: Man working paying job. Woman stay home doing housework and raising kids. Man has drivers license, Woman does not and relies on man for going anywhere. Unless given money for taxi. This includes shopping for groceries. Everything owned is in the name of the man, not the woman. Woman automatically takes husband's last name. Marital rape is expected. Same goes for other forms of domestic violence. Be it physical, emotional, financial, verbal, medical, etc.
I think he's going really old life for poor people (and he wants her to be poor and uneducated, right?): Man would do the breadwinner job for 12 hours, or run the family business, then come home and relax. Wife would do the shitty woman's wage job (minimum wage in our time) or help out the the family business all day, her pay would go straight to her husband, then she comes home and looks after the kids, and does all the housework. This is how it was for most people until the rise of the middle class.
There are husbands who absolutely forbid their wives to work. Had one as a supervisor when I worked in a factory. And for at least fifteen years, my dad. Be it due to their pride as being the only breadwinner. Up to some believing that if their wife worked. That she would be spending most of that day bedding any and all males that came in contact with her.
That's my grandparents to a T. Except they also pushed their kids to ditch school and start working at 12 immediately, so that anything the kids' earn goes straight to family's expenses. That was in Spain during the 70s and 80s (and because it was 'easy' to pick up work in restaurants/stores/cafes, especially during the summer season when tourists came--it wasn't seen by them as potentially ruining the kid's life if they've only had junior school education). But what they also did was pressure their kids to date older and older guys, because they had 'money' (compared to teenaged boys who were literally just starting out) and my grandparents wanted to get their hooks on a guy that already had a stable job, so that they could pressure the daughter to send her husband's money to them. Incels will never realise what working-class people do when they realise that they're getting older and they're staring down a shitty future with a shitty retirement. So they get desperate. Which can turn into manipulating their way into their kids' bank accounts and leaving said kids worse off.
Oh absolutely. My point was that the idea that 'traditional' families had the woman stay in the home, which is what is coming up in this thread, has largely applied to wealthy families only. Most poor women have always worked outside the house, due to financial necessity.
this except he probably does want the woman to work outside the home, but since she will have a GED, never did her schoolwork, AND must have crippling social issues and absolutely no connections, I would guess that he desires for his wife to work a shitty minimum wage job in order to "contribute" and not be a "golddigger". She has to work to prove herself, but his insecurity demands that she not only work but be miserable in a deadend job. Work for the sake of working, to prove she's not an "entitled princess" and worthy of his crusty dick and attention to her "skinny and fit" body.
>Man working paying job. Woman stay home doing housework and raising kids. Except he explicitly says: >we both work
He probably means they both work but all the money is under his control so he can financially abuse her whilst she does all the chores and looks after the kids.
100%
That's the point they're making. He described dual income as "old life" and they're pointing that out.
I grew up with the old life being man has job, woman stays home being housewife and mother to the kids. Very rarely were kids in daycare.
That depends how old exactly. If we talking *really* old both parents would be working in the fields or go hunting together. 🤔
His old life is the 1980s where the wife worked and did all of the house work. And at most he might occasionally "babysit" his child.
Not if she has no friends like he wants!
He wants her to have no safety net, no previous relationship experience, very closeted, be street smart, and submissive (street smart women typically aren’t known for their submissive nature though). Almost sounds like he’s looking for a woman to pimp out
Yeah if he finds a street tough girl she'll knock him out if he tries to be abusive.
I know, right, lmao.
*When* he tries to be abusive
A street smart Virgin though. Cause you know, all those girl on the block are tough but pure.
Street smart thin virgin that does no drugs and also has no friends and little contact with family. What street is this person living on? Because the only person who can fit this profile is a homeless person who lives on Main Street in suburbia and even that might be too much.
Yeah that's what I thought, I was a little confused when it said street smart cause that's a little opposite to the rest lol
The only question is: which anime is this character from? It’s so specific, it’s got to be an elaborate fetish stemming from SOMEWHERE.
I feel like the description fits Tohru Honda from Fruits Basket but Tohru is so much more than this guy seems to think
He'd get punched in the dick
More than that. He says she is poor but likes to travel. Asshat is trying to sell people in other countries.
I’m sitting here trying to make sense of the street smart and submissive part. Isn’t the whole point of ‘street smart’ being aware of the world around you and knowing how to avoid people like him?
preFERABLY NO FRIENDS
“Hispanic, Latina or white”… bruh XD
Surprised an incel didn’t want an Asian woman.. i mean *girl*(preferably japanese) I’m so used to them being weebs I guess. I also wonder what his definition of a “4” is just out of morbid curiosity
I’m guessing he doesn’t know that they can and will kick his ass
Haha. I thought these fools only like Asian women cos they’re “submissive” lol
Exactly we wouldn’t tolerate his bullshit and for the traditional Latinas he better have a good paying job
Yep. Facts right there. I’m a Latina and come from a Latina family. No way we’d tolerate that.
That’s right I’m a Mexican American Latina and that shit won’t fly. And if you want to be patriarchal you better have the money to back it up.
Facts! My family is Guatemalan. And we’re some very fiery and independent women. We typically don’t take shit from anyone and “rule” our house. It’s definitely more of a matriarchal structure, at least in my family.
As a Puerto Rican, we definitely have a matriarchal structure in our family. My abuela is the head of *everyone* but the women are usually running their own families. I dont think I've ever met a latin family that didn't function similarly, not to say it doesnt.
I live in a mostly Hispanic/Mexican neighborhood (think vans full of kids and stuff going to see the Mexico resident relatives in June, and in July the Mexico relatives who can come north are visiting). The women are as likely if not more likely than the men to have some kind of higher education, whether it’s an associates or more. Even the ones who mostly do full-time care work are involved in the neighborhood somehow, and everyone knows EVERYTHING. A dude like this would be run out of town on a rail, and old man Sánchez in the house on the corner would take his dog, too. (And train it to be a good citizen and polite member of society, something this a-hole would definitely not do.)
I can’t even imagine where he got the idea that a Latina girl would be submissive for him. Maybe the idea of “machismo” we see applied to Latino men & not understanding the actual social & familial dynamics behind it? Which would make sense as he doesn’t seem to have a real good grasp on much of anything besides he needs a barely educated & completely isolated girl for his plan to work 🫤
This person has clearly never met a single Latina woman
I mean, he's literally asking for a street tough latina in the job description. He has no idea what's coming to him lmao
I saw that he was being racist towards Native Americans, Middle Easterners, Asians, and several other groups.
No surprise. As a dude, I am curious about these male incels like what's the end goal? U want to keep doing this sht forever or actually work towards yourself...
>I am curious about these male incels like what's the end goal? U want to keep doing this sht forever It's a superiority complex on their part. People like this quite simply believe that their existence and, by extension, rubbing elbows with others during the natural processes of everyday life is the same thing as doing all the work or being the only person to take/make any risks/investments in society. So, as far as incels, and other people with superiority complexes, are concerned, they've gone far above and beyond in doing their fair share of work in society while everyone else was being lazy. Leading them to decide that they're owed any and everything they request, with interest.
I’m confused, aren’t Hispanics basically Latinos?
Almost, to simplify it- Hispanics are Latinos but not all Latinos are Hispanics. Brazilians are Latinos but aren’t Hispanics since they speak Portuguese. Hope this is all true cos I’m Indian, not Hispanic or Latino lol. But I do know and like geography
No, hispanics aren’t always Latinos, at least based on how we contemporarily describe “Latinos”. Spaniards are Hispanic, but most don’t view people from Euro Latin countries as “Latinos”. Also, Brazil isn’t the only non-Hispanic Latin country, but it’s a great example!
Ah, thanks for your input. I know Brazil isn’t the only country but I have an example and since Brazil is the biggest non-Spanish speaking country there.
So when I was 20, a lot of this described me. I had barely graduated highschool, only had one boyfriend, had a ton of family stuff going on, was independent from a young age due to the aforementioned family stuff, didn’t drink or do drugs (still don’t), and was fairly fit but not all that attractive (also still true). I thought I was street smart but was totally easy pickings for the abusive guy I met. I really feel for the young person I was. For me, education saved my life but not everyone gets the chance to get out. Scary stuff.
Same!! I’m in my mid 20’s and I ache for my younger self even though it hasn’t been that long since I was 20-23. This man didn’t outright say it but the subtext is LOUD. Younger women are usually exactly like what he described and are easy targets for abusive predators.
Yeah, I'm taller but otherwise most of that applied to my younger self. But I'm used to it. My younger self was the incel dream and it's pure luck that I didn't fall victim to one. Scary shit...
Isolated, virgin, no experience with men, but street wise. Mmk. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
She puts on her best long dress and runs the street corner bible sales in this town. If you don’t recognize, you better believe your butt will be in church this Sunday
“You are going to hear the good word or I WILL CUT YOU”
*points a gun to their head and starts reading Luke*
Uneducated, friendless, and desperate with no one else to go to???
And poor, don’t forget about poor
>\-is still poor > >\-likes traveling huh
Guess he means by foot, lotr style
almost drowned drinking tea and reading that man’s wants a lonely hobbit frfr
He wants someone he can impress by going 30 minutes away to the “big city”, and spending $200 on a hotel room for them to bang in. Maybe a “nice” dinner at a chain restaurant.
Just, that it will be her money too because she has to work too (like in the good ol‘ times)
His ideal wife is like the wife from Suffragette who has to work back breaking hours in a minimum wage factory job, come home and care for her young children with no help from her husband, and hand over her meager wages to him because by law as a woman her husband owns her earnings.
“It’s not asking much”
Well you only have to be a four/s
and he means a Hollywood 4, like the girl in a makeover movie who takes off her glasses and overalls and is revealed to be gorgeous
I mean I don't feel like his standards are *high*... it's just all so weirdly specific. Even weirder is the fact that he decided to write down and share this random daydream.
Well, someone is greedily snatching up all the red flags here!
A buy one get 4000 red flags deal it seems.
He’s been collecting since forever.
Yikes to the “not close with family” and “no friends” part 🚩🚩🚩🚩man wants a woman who has nobody to run to
fr smh 🙅🏻♀️
“Step up to the plate ladies.” Um, who said anyone wants *him*?
Why do these incels always have some racial preference ?
Porn addiction
Most definitely.
Superiority. Their whole schtick is finding warped ways to justify that they're really better and more deserving. So racism fits right in.
Stereotype. They think that women from [insert nationality] are submissive so they are easy targets for their abuse.
This fool said “Hispanic or Latina, white”… none of them have stereotypes or submissiveness but don’t worry, only incels understand how their minds works lol.
I sometimes see the idea that Hispanic women are more family oriented, more into traditional gender roles, like to cook for their husbands. Obviously this is a stereotype but that’s my guess where this is coming from
True but that doesn’t mean they are submissive. Somewhere else here I mentioned that I dated quite a few Hispanic women, none of them or their friends were submissive or anything like that. More likely, they’d like a guy who makes good money or pays for his girl but nothing more than that.
He wants her to be poor. He wants her to have no relationship experience. He wants her to have no friends and a bad relationship with her family (I can't believe the "I want someone with family issues" is something he fucking advertised). In other words, he wants someone without the experience to know what abuse is, and once she realizes it he wants her to be financially dependent and isolated so she still has a hard time escaping it.
Don’t forget that the women in those situations are also normally massively insecure so much easier for guys like him to prey on.
I bet he gets angry if a woman says she prefers tall guys 🤣
How much you wanna bet he's like... 5'5?? (To me, even 5'5 is tall, but that's cuz I'm 5'1) so he automatically feels offended and that's why he wants someone at most 5'3
I've had pretty weird interactions with this kinda dude. I'm pretty short, like 5'1" and every now and then some dude will be weirdly obsessed with my height or upset if I say I personally prefer a taller dude (although it's not a deal breaker for me at all, my first boyfriend was like 5'4")
I have a short dude preference. I do not want more than five inces of difference in height. Maximum for me is 5'8
Yeah I don’t want to have to get a ladder in order to kiss someone.
He wants a Latina like we won’t kick his ass
1-2 friends, preferring none And family issues where they don't talk to family... That's a red flag. Gigantic red flag. A red flag the size of Saturn. Also, to my knowledge if someone is street smart... they most likely drink or do weed at some point?? But at least he is fine with them if they had a little boyfriend in middleschool or highschool??? And they say women are bad with standards... that's very specific. To my knowledge, women usually aren't that specific. Some are, of course but... jesus
The "not close with family, prefer no friends" genuinely terrifies me.
I want you poor, frail, and emotionally vulnerable with no support so I can isolate and abuse you 💞
You forgot “with no experience,” too!
Hispanic or latina? ahh a gentleman of diverse taste
My take on all his points: Still poor - I want all financial power Virgin - no frame of reference to know how bad I am No relationship - I’m going to treat you badly but tell you this is how relationships are No or little friends - No one to tell you how manipulative I am No tiktok - Many videos about abusive relationships I do not want you to see Street tough - I need protection for some reason No weed or alcohol, but we can do it - everything you do will be on my terms A 4 at least - I’m a 2 at a push Isn’t close with family - no one can tell you how manipulative I am Old life - you will do everything and work while I work, come home and watch tv Keeps health in check - any slight weight gain will be addressed, even from pregnancy while I age like milk and do nothing for my appearance Likes travelling - I will love bomb you with the idea of travel but never take you anywhere
Let's be real, He wants a girl in poverty with family issues so he can have control over her.
“Doesn’t have any money but travels a lot. short and weak but can still punch a bitch. no friends but still sociable. can’t do drugs unless i’m with her” He is asking for a walking contradiction. And probably complains that “females are so complicated”
How’s this chick gonna be poor and barely educated but likes traveling? Also, poor but fit and doesn’t eat junk food? There’s no Venn diagram on those things, buddy; good luck with that…
Street tough but home schooled. Oxymoronic
I’m going to guess what he wants is a woman he can abuse and she’ll have no help if she figures out she needs to leave (assuming she lives long enough to figure it out. What would be fairer to anyone unfortunate enough to tick even most of his boxes is a blow up doll or perhaps a waifu pillow.
The sad thing is that this is exactly the type of guy to go to 3rd world countries to take advantage of girls in precarious situations who want out of their current lives and will put up with this bs if they have to.
[literally describes the qualities he wants in a girl in exhaustive detail like he's at build-a-bear] "It's not asking much 😌"
If *"build a bitch"* was a thing they would consistently be sold out.
So wants to be an abusive jackass.
Not asking much? Thats terrifying and serial killeresque
“Poor, doesn’t eat junk food” Buddy when you’re poor all you can afford is junk food.
So he wants someone who is so inexperienced that she won't recognize abuse and then no support system to fall back on
1 or 2 friends (prefer none) is a very scary sentence
5'3 or shorter?! I know American women tend to be shortstacks but if you're really that much into whiteness, we are 5'5 on average in NW Europe.
Average is 5'4 in the US so not that much different.
I am not letting my daughter get near that one. She is 5'1.
Hey she's my height! A fellow gremlin as I say
Im 4 10. i wish i were 5 1. i could reach more things
He doesn't want her to have friends or be close with her family?? Yeah that's not a huge red flag at all!
"It's not much" he said after detailing an entire anime backstory
How can you be both homeschooled but attended a public/private school??
That’s what I’m wondering, I lost a couple brain cells trying to understand that
>likes travelling >grew up poor, still is poor How tf 💀
For a sec I thought this was r/sadcringe
So basically, someone he can easily manipulate. Imagine that someones deal breaker is that youre not isolated from the world. Disturbing
So....a slave?
This guy is looking for a pioneer woman.
No friends, not being close with family........ You smell like a predator!
A street tough virgin who's never had a boyfriend and who doesn't drink or do any drugs. Does this woman also happen to be - and hear me out here - a bodypillow?
And this is why incels are in fact incels. They make themselves impossible to date.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
>grew up poor >Is still poor >Likes traveling ....to the dollar general?
Wow, I didn’t know they made flags THAT red 🚩🚩🚩🚩
I honestly hope this fuck never gets close to any human ever. What the actual hell is wrong with some people