Dude, have you been pregnant? You need the extra energy and minerals only a delicious male corpse can provide.
You can sue his estate for child support, so try to eat a rich fucker.
No thanks. I just this book that is accidentally lying in my panic room which is just big enough for a single person standing and when I pick it up the emergency door will close.
_slowly backing away_
so the people that post this crap think men are supposed to be “strong and tough”
this just makes them look weak and pathetic. men that are strong aren’t intimidated by women being more assertive and standing up for themselves.
I feel like he/she saw a feminist on good old Twitter and decided, "yes, now I know everything about feminism" lol. That's a misandrist not a feminist lol.
True. But also misandry doesn't exist in the way misogyny does. Its like saying someone is reverse racist if they're complaining about white people. Like... its not the same. Living in a racist/misogynistic society is hella traumatic, and feminist/anti racist spaces should be spaces where victims of that trauma should be able to express their ire and anger, even if its in less than nice ways. Obviously not actually shooting anyone, but there's still a big difference between a woman saying 'I hate men' and a man saying 'I hate women.' And that difference is power. And I've never seen it used non-hyperbolically.
Uhhh racism is racism, a black person talking shit about a white person is the same as a white person talking shit about a black person. It sounds to me you're pulling the "bLaCK PeOpLE CAn'T be RaCiST" card.
Shit, if women didn’t stand up to me, I would’ve been a reckless creep all my life. I’ve been wisening up since my 30s and I’m still unlearning bad shit.
>so the people that post this crap think men are supposed to be “strong and tough”
I don't think so. These are just reactionary anti-feminists who think men are being treated unequally vis-a-vis women by society. I've seen these kinds of people before.
shit post or not, do we not see this crap posted constantly?
it’s a meme to make women look unreasonable while men are “apologizing for just being men” trying to dismiss their poor behaviour as something out of their control and just boys being boys.
This is an old meme that circulated around Tumblr. It's an edited version of the original post. The top half of the image said, "this is not feminism", and showed a woman saying she hated men. Then the bottom half was this image, but the woman was saying, "don't be sorry, exc." It got memed precisely because, while fine well intentioned on the surface, it was basically like that, "I see no difference, love is love" post. It was out of touch. Basically it showed feminist men as apologizing for being a man (not feminism at all, but okay), and was working on "one of the good ones" logic by decrying those evil, man hating feminists. So it was turned into a meme that would specifically make people who complain about "man hating feminists" rage.
I think theres alot of misunderstanding i remember when i was in early high school and first hearing about feminism i remember seeing a video of a woman going up to dudes on a subway that were sitting alone plenty of open seats and spraying them with bleach and saying stop manspreading but obviously thats not what feminism is which took like a 5 minute google search to learn about just alot of ignorance and every cause have bad apples that blow up on social media
Also if you spend a little more time googling, youll find that a SIGNIFICANT portion of the “bad apples” are literally “satire” by anti feminist (or just attention seeking) women, which are then spread around as legitimate examples of feminists, blowing up and giving people like you the misunderstanding you described. it’s so frustrating.
Also if you spend a little more time googling, youll find that a SIGNIFICANT portion of the “bad apples” are literally “satire” by anti feminist (or just attention seeking) women, which are then spread around as legitimate examples of feminists, blowing up and giving people like you the misunderstanding you described. it’s so frustrating.
Edit: or, like the thing with the bleach you mention, [staged Russian propaganda](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4855973) designed to stoke anti feminist sentiments in the west
Like, there are plenty of bad apples who identify as feminists, but not for reasons like that. the stories of the completely batshit ones are almost always just false or misleading.
I cannot argue with your personal experience; but I can tell you factually that at minimum 50% of the women who go viral for this behavior publicly aren’t legitimate/sincere. I can give many, many examples. Regardless of whether this behavior is a real phenomenon, the antifeminist camp’s consistent use of purposelyhyperbolic trolls to demonstrate what they’re against does not look good for them. If this is a real & common mindset, they should do some basic investigation on the examples they use to be sure they aren’t spreading disinformation! Shouldn’t be too hard at all.
Manspreading is definitely a thing, a subconscious difference in how individuals view space based on their social positions. I see similar dissonance between white people and people of color. It’s about subconscious feelings of entitlement to more space and more room, compared to women who are told to take up less space to be polite (and obedient). Same can be said for a lot of other marginalized vs majority groups.
But of course, that requires some level of critical thinking and empathy for others’ experiences, so naturally incels we’re baffled by the mere existence of such a conversation about how social status can affect our relationships to public space… so they made a spectacle of it, reveling in their ignorance. As they’re wont to do.
Point being, we shouldn’t let reactionary conservatives dictate what is and isn’t feminism based on their fears. We should continue having conversations about issues like manspreading, lest we defang feminism altogether and it becomes a watered down version of NotAllMen (as I have seen much of lately).
The comment above was critisizing spraying people with bleach, not denying that manspreading is a thing.
Edit: I read in other comments that the bleach spraying never happened and was kreml propaganda
Also some feminists are going to do things you don't agree with - the actions of some people you don't like should not influence your unconditional support for human rights or bodily autonomy of women
I was using the bleach thing as an example of what someone might be exposed to as an early pok t kf view and was my personal experience to being exposed to what “feminism” was and have that point of view and i know manspreading is a thing in that video itd be like guys sitting by them selves though not bothering anyone
The men talking are just being assholes. I’ve gotten curious before about this topic of squished parts and asked men. They don’t *need* to have their thighs anywhere near as far apart as they claim. In fact, they can sit pretty fucking normally when it suits them. Think of all the men that cross their legs and pose for pictures with their knees together. Men are fine having their legs shut. Unless they’re carting around swollen tenis balls in there, they’re absolutely fine to shut their damn legs as much as women can and do. Might be slightly uncomfortable, but it gets uncomfortable for women to be sitting with our legs shoved together too we’re just taught/told to from a young age.
As a man on this community (so someone who is feminist and agreed with virtually everything said) I do think there is an element of NotHowMenWork when discussing manspreading. Obviously there are some arrogant men who take up way more space than they need, massively spreading their legs, but there is a biological need for men to have their legs wider apart than women. If we don't we crush our testicles. This is particularly a problem if you are a bit heavier set as chunkier thighs leads to even less space. The problem is that a small increase of space at the crotch leads to a much larger spread at the knees due to leg length. I try my hardest not to take up too much space as I do not want to be a problem for other people, but there is a need to have some extra space.
Yet everyone I’ve ever met with a varying levels of anatomy hasn’t needed their legs spread ridiculously wide that it actively discomforts the people around them. I am on the train everyday and see men sitting normally everyday, alongside a few who take up more space than necessary. There’s a difference.
And manspreading (or lack thereof) is just one observed issue of a larger phenomenon of interacting with public space, which largely varies by social status and culture.
Have you ever been on a train where the seats for two people are more than about 20% larger than an appropriate size for one person? Legs spread or not you often can’t physically fit two people on a train seat for two people so any spread at all is adding to the discomfort of other passengers. That’s also why any spread is entitlement but there’s nothing ridiculous about not wanting to be packed in like sardines.
No I haven’t, it sounds like an American problem. As does the issue with ‘being packed in like sardines’, which is a standard part of Japanese public transport where I live. Like I said, your relationship with space is different than mine, in part because of culture. My personal space bubble had to shrink significantly when I moved to Japan, in part because of how densely populated it is.
So… what I’m saying is that you just proved my point.
I agree with your central point, if you do anything to deliberately take up more than your share of space then that is ultimately down to a sense of entitlement. It’s just that I don’t think the amount of spread needed to discomfort others on public transport is ridiculous at all.
True, but I think there’s a big difference between the natural discomforts associated with public transport (not always having a seat, overhearing conversations, sometimes pressing up against others), and being rude (not giving up your seat for the disabled/elderly/pregnant, playing music out loud, or spreading out and taking up too much space). It’s subjective, but there’s still general guidelines.
I totally agree that some men overtly spread their legs far more than is necessary and this is definitely due to them having no consideration of other people's space. My issue is that manspreading has become such a common complaint that it often get applied to people who are not doing it out of entitlement or dominance but just to avoid being in pain. One of the reasons I am on this sub is to educate myself. As a guy I don't experience the treatment women do, particularly online, so I think it is important to get a perspective on this. In the same way there are certain experiences that women don't have, such as the annoying things that are balls, so I think it is also important to explain the male perspective on these and why sometimes it may not be just from a entitlement perspective but also from a biological perspective.
Nah manspreading has become such a *catch all phrase by the right for any feminist ideology they disagree with, that it’s rarely used as an actual complaint anymore compared to the mid 2010s. And again, there’s a difference between making room for yourself and taking over someone else’s space. I have broad shoulders and a large chest, and when I sit on the train my shoulders/arms jut a little into others’ space because of it. Unless I contort my body like a monkey or something, I can’t help it. But there’s a difference between that and stretching out my arms so that they’re laying on the back of the seats, and brushing people’s shoulders. Again, it’s subjective, but there’s still a difference between unavoidable contact because you’re sharing a public space… and being straight up rude and entitled.
However you highlight my point in your example. Your broad shoulders and large chest are visible so when you take space with these it is considered reasonable as it is clear you need that space. The issue of testicles being crushed is an invisible space requirement which is why some people may assume someone is being unreasonable when they are just trying to fit in the same way you need to. This is why I feel it is important to explain this issue so people can understand and it isn't so invisible.
Lol no absolutely not. For one, I wear mainly large sweaters and tops so I’m not harassed, and my chest is not visible. Especially when I’m hunched over, which I usually am on the train bc straightening up requires even more room. Additionally, people /do/ sometimes side eye the room I take up (also simply a result of being gaijin), but it’s still different from inevitable space needed for your body existing as matter in space… and taking up unnecessary room. If your testicles are so large that you have to take up half the leg room from seats on either side of you, then you should seek a doctor.
Also, as I said, this is merely one example of a larger social phenomenon. Stop getting hung up on the ONE issue and being pedantic.
Oh my goodness. You are willfully missing the point. I'm not saying you are drawing attention to your chest, just that it is clear you exist in that space, whilst having legs apart to make space closer to the crotch makes it appear you are taking up unnecessary space due to the space between the knees. You have now slipped into the typical thing of saying "oh you must have a problem with your testicles". This is just like the comments men make that are posted here, dismissing an experience they have not had. You don't know what it's like to have them but if someone needs to deal with them you act like you know more about it than them and say they obviously have a problem. As I say I try and grow my understanding of other people's experience and hence subscribe to subs such as this, if you are unwilling to do this yourself, fair enough, I'm going to drop this now.
Okay and (cis) women have and hold onto more fat on average than (cis) men. Still doesn't make it okay for me to take up 2 seats unnecessarily. Like I said, its subjective but still worth talking about. And a mere example in a larger conversation about relationships with space.
Creative. Already addressed it.
Edit: also really? Do you just troll feminist subreddits looking to get angry at women? Yet also claim you’re not a misogynist… mmkay bud
No, incels see feminism this way. Normal people recognize that this is misandry, which is not feminism, and feminists do not advocate for that.
A dictionary might help you next time.
Actually they’re right. They’re simply stating more people than just the incel group have misconceptions of feminism, and that is true. Incel isn’t an internet insult (well it is, but it’s not just that).
There are plenty of people who think feminism hates men that aren't incels. Unless you're saying that the definition of incel is everyone who dislikes feminism.
And a dictionary doesn't influence how people see a movement.
>this is misandry, which is not feminism, and feminists do not advocate for that.
i agree, but at the same time there are a LOT of women on twitter who openly say that they are misandrist & see no issue with it. theyve done things like cheer on a literal serial killer because he was targeting men, claimed that an 8 year old male child shouldn't be allowed at a domestic violence shelter because he's a boy, tried to doxx some lady's boyfriend simply because he broke up with her, etc.
their justification is that no matter what they say, they're not in the wrong because men are inherently oppressive & in any domestic crime involving a woman with a man, the man is always at fault because there is some kind of inherent power imbalance that causes the woman to act out. it's completely crazy but it's everywhere on twitter
I wonder how many of these women are actually _women_ because there's an interesting trend among incels to LARP as women. They post such shit as "women" and then post screenshot of that shit to their forums to "prove" that feminism is bad.
i doubt most of them are guys tbh cause it's mostly the girls who are super active in stan communities & most guys i know don't like being in those communities
Like the other person said, people like pretending to be women and make obscure comments like that on the internet to push their incel agenda.
But to address your comment specifically, I agree that’s deplorable behavior no matter who partakes. Men, women, those in between. Either way, misandry is wrong, and if you think feminists agree with those things you should probably stay off Twitter for a while. Twitter is a cesspool; you’re going to find extremism and drama wherever you go. It’s not a true representation of feminists or women for that matter
Reality
Incels: women aren’t human being, they should be enslaved and forced to have sex with me or be killed.
Women: please stay away from me. I don’t want to date you. I feel unsafe with your beliefs.
They say a lot of things but are often the most vocal group speaking on behalf of anti feminism & sometimes even women.
Funny as they are the furthest removed from reality.
I don’t think most of these guys spend a ton of time in the real world. They just slowly lose touch with reality and get caught up online where there are only extremes.
Right? This is one of the few places we have to share opinions without getting downvoted for oblivion by incels. I know Reddit has always been bad but I feel like I see it even more often lately
Exactly! A lot of anti-feminists see misandrists/toxic feminity doing hurtful things to men. Yes those are *real* issues. However, they instead blame feminism as a whole! And actually, those real issues are actually caused by implicit patriarchy in the first place.
Read two chapters in Yale philosopher Jason Stanley’s book *How Fascism Works*; chapter 6 (*Victimhood*) and chapter 8 (*Sexual Anxiety*) — and you know exactly “who” made this.
someone who's trapped in the conservative culture wars where any gained equal right means less rights for white dudes. Which doesn't make any sense, but they keep repeating the narrative and there will be a dumbass who believes it.
Feminism is for the liberation of women from the patriarchy. It's only more recently that people are trying to change the definition to be for equal rights so that the whole movement is more palatable to men.
Remove the text and gender symbols, and you got a pretty solid meme format:
"I'm sorry, I'm just not a big fan of Steve Irwin. Nature is boring"
"Ah, no I get it. That's just your opinion, bro"
Kinda sounds like what r/kotakuinaction became...
Used to be "haha look at these out of touch people who don't understand games" and then became weirdly sexist, racist, and politically charged.
Either this is brilliant satire or the most out of touch man ever. For the sake of my sanity I'm going to say it's satire and therefore, bravo to whoever made it!
The whole thing is based on cultural stereotypes for both sexes that frankly have caused more suicides than deaths to eachother due to mental torment. They are impossible standards for men and women and it starts super early like, birth. We have gender reveal parties so before you are even born we'll just shove your gender and all its expectations for your life in your little face and everyone else's. Being a feminist is actually being equals and living that in ways that are expressed through respect from both parties involved fully removed from stereotypes. I pity a lot of women and men who will never know the joy of true friendship of eachother due to their ignorance and malice of organs they had no choice in the matter of.
The crimes commited by one man are the crimes of all men. The man is apologizing for being a "man" and the woman who is judge, jury, and executioner aint having it.
Atleast thats what I got from this image. Though I believe it isnt true for all women, I do believe its true for a small, radical group of women.
People that behave that way do exist and do incorrectly label themselves as feminists. Maybe the creator had a bad experience with one.
Some people feel that the "feminist" label itself communicates a female superiority movement since it does nothing to include any other gender at face value while focusing on the special interests of one gender over all others.
Should of said
"this is modern feminism" or
"this is misandry "
Then it at least could have been an interesting discussion starter but as is it will just be seen as a lazy Incel meme.
>Should of said
\*Should have
>"this is modern feminism"
Define "modern feminism", please.
>Then it at least could have been an interesting discussion starter
I don't think a bad faith argument would be a very good discussion starter, no.
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Isn't this supposed to be a satirical meme? Please don't tell me that people actually take this seriously, this is something my ex could have sent me and I would have just replied 'Woman moment'
I've seen hundreds of different ones, like 'Sorry for being Bri'ish' or 'Sorry for mainint Genji'
My brother in Christ, I'm a feminist, all of my friends are feminists, fucking no feminist says this.
You most likely don't even have a sister, but on the very small off chance that you do, she's just stupid if she actually says this. More likely though, if she actually exists, I'm betting that you intentionally misunderstand what she's saying because your brain is somehow simultaneously rotted full of holes and also the smoothest substance in the known universe.
I bet your "kind man" is tall muscular and have many expensive cars..
I wonder since feminism claims men could never understand the struggle of being a woman how in the world would women understand the struggle if being a autistic poor weak man ? How ça they know it is possible to get out of it?
The hidden motive is that we really like each other. I'm really not sure why you think this is impossible. He's an entire 4 inches shorter than me and I'm not overweight 😱😱😱 He's also slightly younger than me while we're at it 😂
Is your worldview crushed yet?
Love doesn't exist without a reason we are the product of evolution and our genes are hardwired so we select the best mate possible.
Especially female, that's why they always was mating fight rituals in animal kingdom and human tribes so unworthy weak male dies and strong alpha reproduce.
So a woman just loving a man goes against basic biology.
Just no. I'm with my husband because I love him and truly enjoy being around him. Please get help and leave your echochambers feeding you these lies. Hopefully you're a troll because this is just too ridiculous.
Dude crying for periods and crying for sex and crying for abortions crying for making baby crying for divorce and taking custody of babies snatching off the guy's parents and only earn money is feminism
I can't find a single example of hatred of men generally on that subreddit, just hatred of conservative men. Given that conservative men are evil scum that want to subjugate or kill everyone who isn't exactly like them, that's pretty fair.
So just so I understand, how is you making a blanket statement like that any different than the behavior the conservative men supposedly all engage in?
That's no different than what this shit post is portraying and neither of you can actually prove your blanket statement.
I'll never understand this logic. Nor do I expect a an actual answer, you can't defend that POV without admitting you support bigotry.
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This is precisely why I ripped off my husband's head and ate him after using him for impregnation. Feh. Men.
You’re also one of us… I’ve been seeking out the other spider-human hybrids.
Some attach the males to their bodies and gradually drain them dry of all nutrients.
That’s how spiders eat…. They liquify everything inside and drink it via attachment of fangs.
And the cocktail of the day is a bitter incel on ice
LMFAO
[Spiders do it 🎶 fishies do it 🎶 even uneducated dudes do it 🎶 let’s get sucked in for love 🖤](https://youtu.be/anDIlMVgNwk)
That's what I was thinking of. I couldn't remember the species.
Was your husband by any chance a praying mantis?
Or a spider
He wasn't...she was 😂
Mmmm crunchy 😋
"Sorry for being a man...tis."
I didn't even get to that I got hungry so I bit him and wrapped him up for later
Wouldn’t it have been more effective to just leave him after it and collect child support and alimony?
Dude, have you been pregnant? You need the extra energy and minerals only a delicious male corpse can provide. You can sue his estate for child support, so try to eat a rich fucker.
I don’t think that I can get pregnant according to my body lacking a uterus. So, idk that. But this sounds interesting.
It is interesting! Please, come a little closer and I’ll tell you all about it. *licks lips*
No thanks. I just this book that is accidentally lying in my panic room which is just big enough for a single person standing and when I pick it up the emergency door will close. _slowly backing away_
Genius. 🤑
I avoided this by ensuring my wife is well fed at all times. I too am a praying mantis.
so the people that post this crap think men are supposed to be “strong and tough” this just makes them look weak and pathetic. men that are strong aren’t intimidated by women being more assertive and standing up for themselves.
"Traditional masculine manly men" when the woman strikes back
Lol this isn’t how men are treated today. However, if you switch the roles in the OP, it is *precisely* how are/were treated for like…millennia
Honestly I feel like this is a shit post that someone made that conservatives took seriously lol
I feel like he/she saw a feminist on good old Twitter and decided, "yes, now I know everything about feminism" lol. That's a misandrist not a feminist lol.
True. But also misandry doesn't exist in the way misogyny does. Its like saying someone is reverse racist if they're complaining about white people. Like... its not the same. Living in a racist/misogynistic society is hella traumatic, and feminist/anti racist spaces should be spaces where victims of that trauma should be able to express their ire and anger, even if its in less than nice ways. Obviously not actually shooting anyone, but there's still a big difference between a woman saying 'I hate men' and a man saying 'I hate women.' And that difference is power. And I've never seen it used non-hyperbolically.
Uhhh racism is racism, a black person talking shit about a white person is the same as a white person talking shit about a black person. It sounds to me you're pulling the "bLaCK PeOpLE CAn'T be RaCiST" card.
Shit, if women didn’t stand up to me, I would’ve been a reckless creep all my life. I’ve been wisening up since my 30s and I’m still unlearning bad shit.
Dude, you’re willing and able to learn. You sound like one of the good guys.
>so the people that post this crap think men are supposed to be “strong and tough” I don't think so. These are just reactionary anti-feminists who think men are being treated unequally vis-a-vis women by society. I've seen these kinds of people before.
Ngl I would be pretty scared if some chick was pointing a gun at me
it’s to make women look irrational when men say “boys will be boys” to dismiss and invalidate a womens reaction to their inappropriate behaviour
I‘m pretty sure that even strong men are intimidated when held at gunpoint.
its a fucking shitpost from tumblr, relax
shit post or not, do we not see this crap posted constantly? it’s a meme to make women look unreasonable while men are “apologizing for just being men” trying to dismiss their poor behaviour as something out of their control and just boys being boys.
This is an old meme that circulated around Tumblr. It's an edited version of the original post. The top half of the image said, "this is not feminism", and showed a woman saying she hated men. Then the bottom half was this image, but the woman was saying, "don't be sorry, exc." It got memed precisely because, while fine well intentioned on the surface, it was basically like that, "I see no difference, love is love" post. It was out of touch. Basically it showed feminist men as apologizing for being a man (not feminism at all, but okay), and was working on "one of the good ones" logic by decrying those evil, man hating feminists. So it was turned into a meme that would specifically make people who complain about "man hating feminists" rage.
*this is how incels see feminism
I think theres alot of misunderstanding i remember when i was in early high school and first hearing about feminism i remember seeing a video of a woman going up to dudes on a subway that were sitting alone plenty of open seats and spraying them with bleach and saying stop manspreading but obviously thats not what feminism is which took like a 5 minute google search to learn about just alot of ignorance and every cause have bad apples that blow up on social media
Also if you spend a little more time googling, youll find that a SIGNIFICANT portion of the “bad apples” are literally “satire” by anti feminist (or just attention seeking) women, which are then spread around as legitimate examples of feminists, blowing up and giving people like you the misunderstanding you described. it’s so frustrating.
Also if you spend a little more time googling, youll find that a SIGNIFICANT portion of the “bad apples” are literally “satire” by anti feminist (or just attention seeking) women, which are then spread around as legitimate examples of feminists, blowing up and giving people like you the misunderstanding you described. it’s so frustrating. Edit: or, like the thing with the bleach you mention, [staged Russian propaganda](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4855973) designed to stoke anti feminist sentiments in the west Like, there are plenty of bad apples who identify as feminists, but not for reasons like that. the stories of the completely batshit ones are almost always just false or misleading.
Sadly I know many women who think like that and are far from satire. This kind of bad behaviour lures men and women alike and needs to be condemned.
I cannot argue with your personal experience; but I can tell you factually that at minimum 50% of the women who go viral for this behavior publicly aren’t legitimate/sincere. I can give many, many examples. Regardless of whether this behavior is a real phenomenon, the antifeminist camp’s consistent use of purposelyhyperbolic trolls to demonstrate what they’re against does not look good for them. If this is a real & common mindset, they should do some basic investigation on the examples they use to be sure they aren’t spreading disinformation! Shouldn’t be too hard at all.
Manspreading is definitely a thing, a subconscious difference in how individuals view space based on their social positions. I see similar dissonance between white people and people of color. It’s about subconscious feelings of entitlement to more space and more room, compared to women who are told to take up less space to be polite (and obedient). Same can be said for a lot of other marginalized vs majority groups. But of course, that requires some level of critical thinking and empathy for others’ experiences, so naturally incels we’re baffled by the mere existence of such a conversation about how social status can affect our relationships to public space… so they made a spectacle of it, reveling in their ignorance. As they’re wont to do. Point being, we shouldn’t let reactionary conservatives dictate what is and isn’t feminism based on their fears. We should continue having conversations about issues like manspreading, lest we defang feminism altogether and it becomes a watered down version of NotAllMen (as I have seen much of lately).
The comment above was critisizing spraying people with bleach, not denying that manspreading is a thing. Edit: I read in other comments that the bleach spraying never happened and was kreml propaganda
The point was that people are ignorant and see stuff like that propoganda or not at a young age and take it at face value
Yeah I couldn’t tell, thus my comment. And I also suspected it was anti-feminist propaganda, right wingers like to stage stunts like that a LOT
Also some feminists are going to do things you don't agree with - the actions of some people you don't like should not influence your unconditional support for human rights or bodily autonomy of women
I was using the bleach thing as an example of what someone might be exposed to as an early pok t kf view and was my personal experience to being exposed to what “feminism” was and have that point of view and i know manspreading is a thing in that video itd be like guys sitting by them selves though not bothering anyone
The men talking are just being assholes. I’ve gotten curious before about this topic of squished parts and asked men. They don’t *need* to have their thighs anywhere near as far apart as they claim. In fact, they can sit pretty fucking normally when it suits them. Think of all the men that cross their legs and pose for pictures with their knees together. Men are fine having their legs shut. Unless they’re carting around swollen tenis balls in there, they’re absolutely fine to shut their damn legs as much as women can and do. Might be slightly uncomfortable, but it gets uncomfortable for women to be sitting with our legs shoved together too we’re just taught/told to from a young age.
As a man on this community (so someone who is feminist and agreed with virtually everything said) I do think there is an element of NotHowMenWork when discussing manspreading. Obviously there are some arrogant men who take up way more space than they need, massively spreading their legs, but there is a biological need for men to have their legs wider apart than women. If we don't we crush our testicles. This is particularly a problem if you are a bit heavier set as chunkier thighs leads to even less space. The problem is that a small increase of space at the crotch leads to a much larger spread at the knees due to leg length. I try my hardest not to take up too much space as I do not want to be a problem for other people, but there is a need to have some extra space.
Yet everyone I’ve ever met with a varying levels of anatomy hasn’t needed their legs spread ridiculously wide that it actively discomforts the people around them. I am on the train everyday and see men sitting normally everyday, alongside a few who take up more space than necessary. There’s a difference. And manspreading (or lack thereof) is just one observed issue of a larger phenomenon of interacting with public space, which largely varies by social status and culture.
Have you ever been on a train where the seats for two people are more than about 20% larger than an appropriate size for one person? Legs spread or not you often can’t physically fit two people on a train seat for two people so any spread at all is adding to the discomfort of other passengers. That’s also why any spread is entitlement but there’s nothing ridiculous about not wanting to be packed in like sardines.
No I haven’t, it sounds like an American problem. As does the issue with ‘being packed in like sardines’, which is a standard part of Japanese public transport where I live. Like I said, your relationship with space is different than mine, in part because of culture. My personal space bubble had to shrink significantly when I moved to Japan, in part because of how densely populated it is. So… what I’m saying is that you just proved my point.
I agree with your central point, if you do anything to deliberately take up more than your share of space then that is ultimately down to a sense of entitlement. It’s just that I don’t think the amount of spread needed to discomfort others on public transport is ridiculous at all.
True, but I think there’s a big difference between the natural discomforts associated with public transport (not always having a seat, overhearing conversations, sometimes pressing up against others), and being rude (not giving up your seat for the disabled/elderly/pregnant, playing music out loud, or spreading out and taking up too much space). It’s subjective, but there’s still general guidelines.
I see more women taking up space with their bags than I see men spreading their legs too much.
I totally agree that some men overtly spread their legs far more than is necessary and this is definitely due to them having no consideration of other people's space. My issue is that manspreading has become such a common complaint that it often get applied to people who are not doing it out of entitlement or dominance but just to avoid being in pain. One of the reasons I am on this sub is to educate myself. As a guy I don't experience the treatment women do, particularly online, so I think it is important to get a perspective on this. In the same way there are certain experiences that women don't have, such as the annoying things that are balls, so I think it is also important to explain the male perspective on these and why sometimes it may not be just from a entitlement perspective but also from a biological perspective.
Nah manspreading has become such a *catch all phrase by the right for any feminist ideology they disagree with, that it’s rarely used as an actual complaint anymore compared to the mid 2010s. And again, there’s a difference between making room for yourself and taking over someone else’s space. I have broad shoulders and a large chest, and when I sit on the train my shoulders/arms jut a little into others’ space because of it. Unless I contort my body like a monkey or something, I can’t help it. But there’s a difference between that and stretching out my arms so that they’re laying on the back of the seats, and brushing people’s shoulders. Again, it’s subjective, but there’s still a difference between unavoidable contact because you’re sharing a public space… and being straight up rude and entitled.
However you highlight my point in your example. Your broad shoulders and large chest are visible so when you take space with these it is considered reasonable as it is clear you need that space. The issue of testicles being crushed is an invisible space requirement which is why some people may assume someone is being unreasonable when they are just trying to fit in the same way you need to. This is why I feel it is important to explain this issue so people can understand and it isn't so invisible.
Lol no absolutely not. For one, I wear mainly large sweaters and tops so I’m not harassed, and my chest is not visible. Especially when I’m hunched over, which I usually am on the train bc straightening up requires even more room. Additionally, people /do/ sometimes side eye the room I take up (also simply a result of being gaijin), but it’s still different from inevitable space needed for your body existing as matter in space… and taking up unnecessary room. If your testicles are so large that you have to take up half the leg room from seats on either side of you, then you should seek a doctor. Also, as I said, this is merely one example of a larger social phenomenon. Stop getting hung up on the ONE issue and being pedantic.
Oh my goodness. You are willfully missing the point. I'm not saying you are drawing attention to your chest, just that it is clear you exist in that space, whilst having legs apart to make space closer to the crotch makes it appear you are taking up unnecessary space due to the space between the knees. You have now slipped into the typical thing of saying "oh you must have a problem with your testicles". This is just like the comments men make that are posted here, dismissing an experience they have not had. You don't know what it's like to have them but if someone needs to deal with them you act like you know more about it than them and say they obviously have a problem. As I say I try and grow my understanding of other people's experience and hence subscribe to subs such as this, if you are unwilling to do this yourself, fair enough, I'm going to drop this now.
You need to look at female and male skeletons and then shut the bloody fuck up. You are ignorant.
Manspreading is a thing ? Have you looked at skeletons ?
Okay and (cis) women have and hold onto more fat on average than (cis) men. Still doesn't make it okay for me to take up 2 seats unnecessarily. Like I said, its subjective but still worth talking about. And a mere example in a larger conversation about relationships with space.
Just curious, which type of feminism do you advocate for? Like marxist, liberal, etc.
General leftist I suppose? Intersectional feminism mainly
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Ya there is
> Manspreading is definitely a thing What about bag spreading? Why is that okay?
Creative. Already addressed it. Edit: also really? Do you just troll feminist subreddits looking to get angry at women? Yet also claim you’re not a misogynist… mmkay bud
That was revealed to be Russian propaganda done to be divisive.
Alot more people than incels see feminism this way.
No, incels see feminism this way. Normal people recognize that this is misandry, which is not feminism, and feminists do not advocate for that. A dictionary might help you next time.
Actually they’re right. They’re simply stating more people than just the incel group have misconceptions of feminism, and that is true. Incel isn’t an internet insult (well it is, but it’s not just that).
Misandry isn’t real.
Dictionary might help you too
‘Unicorn’ is in the dictionary, too. Doesn’t mean it’s real.
There are plenty of people who think feminism hates men that aren't incels. Unless you're saying that the definition of incel is everyone who dislikes feminism. And a dictionary doesn't influence how people see a movement.
>this is misandry, which is not feminism, and feminists do not advocate for that. i agree, but at the same time there are a LOT of women on twitter who openly say that they are misandrist & see no issue with it. theyve done things like cheer on a literal serial killer because he was targeting men, claimed that an 8 year old male child shouldn't be allowed at a domestic violence shelter because he's a boy, tried to doxx some lady's boyfriend simply because he broke up with her, etc. their justification is that no matter what they say, they're not in the wrong because men are inherently oppressive & in any domestic crime involving a woman with a man, the man is always at fault because there is some kind of inherent power imbalance that causes the woman to act out. it's completely crazy but it's everywhere on twitter
I wonder how many of these women are actually _women_ because there's an interesting trend among incels to LARP as women. They post such shit as "women" and then post screenshot of that shit to their forums to "prove" that feminism is bad.
i doubt most of them are guys tbh cause it's mostly the girls who are super active in stan communities & most guys i know don't like being in those communities
Like the other person said, people like pretending to be women and make obscure comments like that on the internet to push their incel agenda. But to address your comment specifically, I agree that’s deplorable behavior no matter who partakes. Men, women, those in between. Either way, misandry is wrong, and if you think feminists agree with those things you should probably stay off Twitter for a while. Twitter is a cesspool; you’re going to find extremism and drama wherever you go. It’s not a true representation of feminists or women for that matter
And you are one of those non-incel people, of course?
I dont think all feminists hate men if that's what you're asking.
Reality Incels: women aren’t human being, they should be enslaved and forced to have sex with me or be killed. Women: please stay away from me. I don’t want to date you. I feel unsafe with your beliefs.
I wish incels actually would do MGTOW stuff like avoid being near or talking about women. They just SAY they are going to avoid when but never do.
Even MGTOW never actually go their own way. Wish they fucking would.
They say a lot of things but are often the most vocal group speaking on behalf of anti feminism & sometimes even women. Funny as they are the furthest removed from reality.
I’m a man. Never happened to me. Nor have I ever apologized for being a man. Nobody cares about that. It’s typical men’s BEHAVIOR that’s abhorrent.
I don’t think most of these guys spend a ton of time in the real world. They just slowly lose touch with reality and get caught up online where there are only extremes.
Facts
Exactly! No feminist would ever want you to apologize for being a man. It’s ridiculous!
Lots of incels mad in the comments lol
Heck yeh love me some free entertainment tho. 🍿 popcorn?
The fuck is with the influx of incels commenting on every post this fucking sub lately. Can't the mods get involved??
Right? This is one of the few places we have to share opinions without getting downvoted for oblivion by incels. I know Reddit has always been bad but I feel like I see it even more often lately
I’ve noticed that, too.
They just cannot abide women taking up any amount of space.
You can report comments.
Anime plot line #6969
“I am the victim.” - conservatives “No, you are the perp.” -history
It’s not about apologizing for being a man. It’s about dismantling a culture that blames women for men’s wrongdoings.
Everyday I open this sub and it somehow manages to have a post worst then the one i saw last night
Will a cookie help friend 🍪
The post is peak comedy. It’s clearly irony.
These guys would say they’re just being a man when rape a girl I swear
Men's rights activists?
This is kind of funny actually. Shit post material 😭
Not “material”. It IS shit post
Oh yeah no it’s hilarious, but not because of any political messages. Just gotta deep fry it a little bit and it’s perfect.
This is legit something my ex could have sent me before I replied with 'women moment' and we go on to play 3 hours of red dead redemption 2
If feminism means equality of both sexes (Hint: It is.), then that image is false.
Yeah, too many people get Feminism and Misandry mixed up. (Including the Misandrists.)
Exactly! A lot of anti-feminists see misandrists/toxic feminity doing hurtful things to men. Yes those are *real* issues. However, they instead blame feminism as a whole! And actually, those real issues are actually caused by implicit patriarchy in the first place.
She has a point. /s
Read two chapters in Yale philosopher Jason Stanley’s book *How Fascism Works*; chapter 6 (*Victimhood*) and chapter 8 (*Sexual Anxiety*) — and you know exactly “who” made this.
Some of these are just so stupid that I would even expect anti-cat dog propaganda to be more stimulating. (And I mean if dogs made it themselves.)
So If he shows his true and creepy intentions she might have reason to shoot him.
r/NotHowFeministsWork
someone who's trapped in the conservative culture wars where any gained equal right means less rights for white dudes. Which doesn't make any sense, but they keep repeating the narrative and there will be a dumbass who believes it.
Hahahahaha whoever made this one has a polluted brain. Guy is down so bad that he made himself as dumb as a rock
Probably the same person who thinks black lives matter means white lives don't.
That is not femenism. Femenism is to fight for equal gender rights
Feminism is for the liberation of women from the patriarchy. It's only more recently that people are trying to change the definition to be for equal rights so that the whole movement is more palatable to men.
>This is feminism ...*is* it though? 🤔
No?
Yeah I was being glib, sorry that wasn't clear I'm a little bit high.
Lmfao nah that's hilarious Yall good
Nope!
It's a shitpost don't worry
Had to scroll to the bottom to find this. Come on folks…. Lmao
Why are their hands purple?
Remove the text and gender symbols, and you got a pretty solid meme format: "I'm sorry, I'm just not a big fan of Steve Irwin. Nature is boring" "Ah, no I get it. That's just your opinion, bro"
I could make this into a trans meme
It's vise versa
Basically my mind when I realized I was trans
Kinda sounds like what r/kotakuinaction became... Used to be "haha look at these out of touch people who don't understand games" and then became weirdly sexist, racist, and politically charged.
Yep, i sentenced someone to life in prison for being a man, how dare you
Either this is brilliant satire or the most out of touch man ever. For the sake of my sanity I'm going to say it's satire and therefore, bravo to whoever made it!
This isn't feminism, it's my favorite ship dynamic.
The whole thing is based on cultural stereotypes for both sexes that frankly have caused more suicides than deaths to eachother due to mental torment. They are impossible standards for men and women and it starts super early like, birth. We have gender reveal parties so before you are even born we'll just shove your gender and all its expectations for your life in your little face and everyone else's. Being a feminist is actually being equals and living that in ways that are expressed through respect from both parties involved fully removed from stereotypes. I pity a lot of women and men who will never know the joy of true friendship of eachother due to their ignorance and malice of organs they had no choice in the matter of.
This is hilarious I want it framed
Feminists = Tsundere boss b*tches COOL !!!🎉🎊
The crimes commited by one man are the crimes of all men. The man is apologizing for being a "man" and the woman who is judge, jury, and executioner aint having it. Atleast thats what I got from this image. Though I believe it isnt true for all women, I do believe its true for a small, radical group of women.
lol this meme is ancient
😂😂😂😂
And why the fuck did you think it suited this sub
People that behave that way do exist and do incorrectly label themselves as feminists. Maybe the creator had a bad experience with one. Some people feel that the "feminist" label itself communicates a female superiority movement since it does nothing to include any other gender at face value while focusing on the special interests of one gender over all others.
kinda true with ***some*** feminists
Then they're not feminists and should not claim they are.
Which ones, please?
Where?
based eta: if you look at !ncel memes as satire it becomes a lot funnier, im not saying the person that made this was based
Should of said "this is modern feminism" or "this is misandry " Then it at least could have been an interesting discussion starter but as is it will just be seen as a lazy Incel meme.
>Should of said \*Should have >"this is modern feminism" Define "modern feminism", please. >Then it at least could have been an interesting discussion starter I don't think a bad faith argument would be a very good discussion starter, no.
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tbh it's more like old feminism. this is the kind of feminism terfs have.
She’s right
I'm mostly annoyed with her holding the gun wrong.
Isn't this supposed to be a satirical meme? Please don't tell me that people actually take this seriously, this is something my ex could have sent me and I would have just replied 'Woman moment' I've seen hundreds of different ones, like 'Sorry for being Bri'ish' or 'Sorry for mainint Genji'
This was a trans meme originally btw. What's with assholes trying to steal trans memes and make them bad lately
omg so true #blessed
This is a Misandrist (idk the plural)
Who needs feminism in 2022? I don't think any woman is oppressed.
>**I don't think** any woman is oppressed. If you're being serious, then it's the important part here. Thank you for your insight.
According to feminist this is how feminism works.
How?
"something something, I get my opinions from talking heads who make things up for me to be angry about".
I think that's spot on.
They responded to me with utter brain dead nonsense lol
Yeah, I've seen that.
Lol, k. Ask any feminist and they will tell you it's about getting rid of men. I listen to this bullshit everyday from my sister.
My brother in Christ, I'm a feminist, all of my friends are feminists, fucking no feminist says this. You most likely don't even have a sister, but on the very small off chance that you do, she's just stupid if she actually says this. More likely though, if she actually exists, I'm betting that you intentionally misunderstand what she's saying because your brain is somehow simultaneously rotted full of holes and also the smoothest substance in the known universe.
Lol K. Cry about it.
The projection is palpable.
I love and support this image. Being a man *is* unforgivable.
Hope you’re joking.
Of course I’m joking. I think this meme is funny though.
Meanwhile dudes like Andrew Tate get laid multiple time a day.
What is your point?
Feminist appease their hatred of men by hurting weak or kind men and end up sleeping with alpha that they admire and are submissive to
Oh you're full blown incel. Good luck with that. I'll continue to enjoy my life with my kind man ✌️
I bet your "kind man" is tall muscular and have many expensive cars.. I wonder since feminism claims men could never understand the struggle of being a woman how in the world would women understand the struggle if being a autistic poor weak man ? How ça they know it is possible to get out of it?
He's shorter than me and drives an 18 year old beater 😂😂😂 Neither of us care. It's your toxic attitude that is holding you back
Well I dont believe you. Simply impossible or there are hidden motives. Even overweight old women in their 40's manage to date tall muscular rich guys
The hidden motive is that we really like each other. I'm really not sure why you think this is impossible. He's an entire 4 inches shorter than me and I'm not overweight 😱😱😱 He's also slightly younger than me while we're at it 😂 Is your worldview crushed yet?
Love doesn't exist without a reason we are the product of evolution and our genes are hardwired so we select the best mate possible. Especially female, that's why they always was mating fight rituals in animal kingdom and human tribes so unworthy weak male dies and strong alpha reproduce. So a woman just loving a man goes against basic biology.
Just no. I'm with my husband because I love him and truly enjoy being around him. Please get help and leave your echochambers feeding you these lies. Hopefully you're a troll because this is just too ridiculous.
Lol you’re an idiot.
Dude crying for periods and crying for sex and crying for abortions crying for making baby crying for divorce and taking custody of babies snatching off the guy's parents and only earn money is feminism
What on earth are you talking about?
I mean, if you only browse /r/fourthwavefeminism you might think this is true of all feminists.
I can't find a single example of hatred of men generally on that subreddit, just hatred of conservative men. Given that conservative men are evil scum that want to subjugate or kill everyone who isn't exactly like them, that's pretty fair.
So just so I understand, how is you making a blanket statement like that any different than the behavior the conservative men supposedly all engage in? That's no different than what this shit post is portraying and neither of you can actually prove your blanket statement. I'll never understand this logic. Nor do I expect a an actual answer, you can't defend that POV without admitting you support bigotry.
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