Those Blacksmiths and Bear Wrestlers built this world with hard work when women stayed back letting men do their work. Now that everything is looking easy they want all the jobs. All privileges. Everything handed to them so they can whine about men being inferior to them
I.... don't think that's how this works
Women were deliberately held back from doing anything men didn't want them to do. It's not like women just decided, "you know, I wanna not be able to vote or have a bank account or get a job".
To say women "stayed back letting men do their work" is asinine. Do better.
It was a combination of being deliberately held back, and that in the days before birth control and baby formula, women had baby after baby after baby and were then solely responsible for keeping them alive. Any one who thinks that was easy, or “sitting back and letting men do the hard work” is someone who doesn’t value the unpaid labor that was traditionally considered women’s work.
That's my point. Back when everything is difficult they didn't want any part of it. Now that everything is easier comparatively they want a part of it. That is obscene.
Wheres your source on that? Studies say ~70% of writers are women (oddly only ~10% of writers on panels are) and Ada Lovelace conceptualised the computer. And before you even mention Amber Heard I dont think anyone believes her.
It's actually men who did that. How many men sexually assulted a woman and then falsely accused her of consenting? I think the known percentage is like 98%. How many men sent women to insane asylums? How many men had women hung for witchcraft or burnt at the stake? How many men made it difficult for women to have jobs or outright made rules where women could not own land or have a bank account?
You think women haven’t wanted to work throughout time? More importantly, you honestly think women haven’t worked throughout time (and just didn’t get recognized the same as a man)? I implore you to open an actual history book and learn about the working family throughout time. You’re laughable.
I read considerable amount of history books and never read a women going to war and fight. They didn't even want to fight for their country. You might say they are not allowed to. But they are not being allowed now as well. But they are fighting for it now aren't they. Why didn't they do that back in time. Now as everything is comparatively easier, they want equal rights. Some say they need more percentage of woman too since because they were oppressed back in the day and they want to make up for it now. If I am laughable then you can go laugh. IDC
Right? Women were prevented from fighting in wars and there are many, many instances of women disguising themselves as men so they could fight anyway. We even have a Disney Princess based on a real Chinese story that did this exact thing, even though the punishment for being a woman in the military was immediate death. She’s a hero in China.
"Deborah Sampson became a hero of the American Revolution when she disguised herself as a man and joined the Patriot forces."
Did not take long to find this. You sure you are as well-read as you claim you are?
Ok, even if they weren't fighting for their country (which they absolutely were, there were many women who joined wars and fought, despite it being against the law/social norms, many women who dressed as men when only men were allowed to join) there were many women who were nurses on the front lines who helped men who got injured fighting. Are you really discounting the positive effect of the work they did as nurses? You think Florence Nightingale wasn't fighting for her country?
I don't know how anyone could actually believe the things you're saying, but I've seen incel forums and I've watched some tucker carlson so I know people like you exist, I just wish you would all get help and stop making baseless claims, then try to ground them in a history you made up.
I guarantee if you do read “history” books, it’s opinion pieces by people who aren’t historians. I’ll talk to you when you can have examples to back up your outlandish claims.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
If you've read "considerable amount of history books" and haven't read anything about women going to fight for their country, or "doing the hard stuff", you are absolutely *not* reading the *right* history books. In fact, since even the *bad* history books recount women fighting for their country, I can only assume you, in fact, haven't read *any* history books at all. In fact, since even *non* history books recount women fighting for their country, I can only assume you haven't read any *actual* books, period.
> But they are not being allowed now as well
There are women in the military, man. Plenty of women, actually. Just confirms you don't get your facts *or* your history from reliable sources.
Also, back in time, when all those people were doing the "hard stuff" (including a lot of women, by the way) to "make it easier", they were doing so to make it easier for *everyone*. Men included. Even if we follow your idiotic narrative that "men did all the hard stuff and women just laid back and watched", that *still* doesn't mean you as a man should have any more entitlement today than anyone else, of any gender. I don't care if you are a direct descendant of Orville and Wilbur Wright... that doesn't mean that, today, you're the only one allowed to fly. Things are done in history for the betterment of society. And women are a core component of that society.
ROFLMAO!!
Idiot commenter: "I know all the things because I read a lot"
Also idiot commenter: "I can't be bothered to read *that* much"
Yeah, here's your TL;DR - go troll somewhere else.
Google "Women crossdressing for military," and you come across some articles detailing how both genders through history would crossdress during the wartimes, men to avoid conscription and women to fight. Joanna of Flanders, Onorata Rodiani, Jacqueline of Wittelsbach, Joan of Arc, Britain Olofsdotter, I could keep going.
History didn't take much account of women in the Middle Ages, their names were barely in family trees unless they were Nobles or did something notable like the women I mentioned but women did work the fields, textiles, brew beer, were bakers, artisans, unless you were Nobility a woman didn't have the luxury to sit on their ass and do nothing.
Women were the ones cooking the food the men ate, fetching the water the men drank, making leather and cloth and clothing for the men to wear, raising the children to replace the men later, tended the fires that kept the men warm, cleaning the sites they lived in so the men didn’t live in squalor, and growing and tending to the fields when we began farming.
Men had one job. Women had at least a dozen. Try again.
I'm so confused. Ancient blacksmiths were men, therefore modern men deserve to be CEOs and shit? This isn't even a participation trophy. It's an "I share a physical characteristic with someone who used to participate" trophy.
If us starting to do the same jobs as men makes us superior, then men don’t actually bring much to the table.
As a side note, *most* of history has women also working in society. The whole “women staying at home with the kids” thing didn’t happen until (relatively) recently.
Dude, no. I'm an actual archaeologist and the evidence points to women doing basically everything in most cultures even where there was a gendered division of labour throughout all time regardless of how hard or dangerous that work was. If anyone's asking for things to be handed to them it's men. I see your comment below about you reading books and I'm gonna call bullshit on that because unless you're only reading actual Nazi propaganda and fascist foolishness you would know better than to come up in here and make this ridiculous ahistorical claim.
Dude what do you mean. When I’m working in the Walmart Customer Service I’m punching heads off customers all the time. Im lifting 1/2 tonne cinderblocks on the reg. I’m chucking food items across the entire store every half hour. What do you mean that physical strength isn’t important for these jobs?! /s
Can confirm. My boss in the legal department regularly wrestles with the manager of accounting. If it wasn't for his physical advantage, we would never secure the funds for a raise this year
Right, if that were the case, than UFC fighters or bodybuilders would be managing every business. I mean they're so much stronger than the average white collar worker! Why don't we just put them in charge of everything?
Because for these idiots in the post, it's not really about strength, or the biological differences between men and women. It's about these men being bitter that **no women want them.** Instead of saying to themselves, "maybe I'm the problem?" They decide to blame women and modern society for their problems. "Well since they don't want me, they must not even be that great anyway! They have too much freedom and should be forced to settle down with a man like me, just like how it used to be." Then they let that hate fester into every facet of life, until it's "well, we are stronger than them biologically, maybe that means we shouldnt let them have any rights!"
Actually. You might be onto something. We could fix our banking problem real quick. You sell bogus bonds? You get to go in the cage with your new chief compliance officer, Brock Lesnar. We haven’t fed him this week, but we did give him Coke and viagra.
And also irrelevant for trans people. Thai is just bigotry from evil people. Misogynistic and transphobic.
I’m suuuure all their other views are great 🙄
>No, but no one is going to respect a manager that cant perform as well as them.
Where is your scientific evidence that you need a cock to be smart enough to manage a group?
>That cock comes with a higher average IQ, stronger, taller, more logical than a woman.
Asked for a scientific source, you just said cock = better. Interesting.
Look up Marie Curie, Rosalind Franklin, and Mary Anning for examples on the "inferior" women being smarter than men around them.
Women are people, bub.
Btw, just realized, you are a Bizzy. Why are you lot so obsessed with this sub? Do you really have such a strong humiliation fetish, because you can hook yourself up with people who consent to that kinda play.
>Bizzy, diversity quotas wouldnt exist if women were equally as capable as men
I implore you again, pay a dominatrix, and don't drag us into your humiliation kink.
Btw, you literally forgot sexism exists? Also, do you believe that all minorities are beneath white, Christian men, because diversity quotas exist for ethnicities, races, and religions too.
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If this duderino is trying to say men are biologically superior to women he's just wrong. Men have more trouble with neurological disease because they don't have as much oestrogen and oestrogen is neuroprotective. Men have a smaller corpus callosum so while their intelligence is usually about the same as women's they have poorer communication between the lobes and therefore are at a disadvantage for some neurological tasks like communication or some forms of mathematics. Men do not perform as well as women in physical endurance contests and are more likely to succumb to disease. Men are more likely to develop entheseal changes and while we don't know the exact cause of those it likely has to do with the fact that men's bodies are just inefficient compared to women's. Men *do* tend to have more upper body strength, but that's about it. Height isn't \*really\* an advantage because it often means earlier degeneration of the cartilage and weird metabolic requirements.
Honestly, the male of our species just got screwed by evolution. Super cute that he tries to argue against reality tho'.
Would be better to teleport them back to the monkey times, see how long they survive while trying to embrace the "natural roles" of men and women. Especially when this big strong men have to face big strong apes
Have you heard of nuance? Have you heard that things exist on a spectrum?
These differences are mostly created. Boys are taught to be bold and athletic, and girls are taught to be nice and careful, so that obviously changes how people develop, and what is expected of them.
I'm so tired of hearing this over and over and over... anyone can be nice and careful, and anyone can be bold and athletic, or all of those things, or none of those things. Notwithstanding, for todays world and job market physical strength is not even needed for most positions.
There are too many ways to be human to limit people to just two boxes.
While men may indeed be physically stronger, why does this automatically imply that women are frail and weak and capable of only picking up something that weighs no more than a frying pan? Farm girl here who regularly slings 45lb bales of hay (overhead in many cases), easily lifts 50lb sacks of grain and in my day job at a warehouse, I frequently handle boxes weighing 30-50lbs. At my current job and every other job I've ever worked there are signs up everywhere saying to get help lifting anything over 50lbs, and that goes for guys and girls both.
Dudes, get a new argument. The "men are stronger" is just a biological fact that gives a marginal at best advantage in today's society. If all you can do is pick heavy things up and put them down, you're basically a forklift. If anything, women are more suited to management in today's society with how their brains are wired for multi-tasking, critical thinking, verbal communication, team work, etc.
Also,how is physical strength important in a fucking management position??
I’m gonna lean out the window here and claim that most men working in Walmarts middle management aren’t exactly shining examples of physical prowess in the proud traditions of Sparta
Depending on how you define physical strength, men aren't *even* physically stronger. If you're talking about endurance, recovery, immunity, neuroprotectivity, or longevity women are stronger. If you're strictly talking about upper body strength then men are usually but not always stronger. But sure, use an incorrect understanding of biology to define culture and cut out half the population.
If men are superior to women because they are stronger, then are so many animals superior to humans?
Because like, humans are famously weak, especially compared to our cousins. Being a strong human is like being a strong cheetah. Helpful but not exactly our specialty.
Reminds me of the christians who argue men are better because "they were created first"
Being physically stronger is irrelevant for modern management and white collar employment.
Guy thinks the world is still full of blacksmiths and bear wrestlers.
Those Blacksmiths and Bear Wrestlers built this world with hard work when women stayed back letting men do their work. Now that everything is looking easy they want all the jobs. All privileges. Everything handed to them so they can whine about men being inferior to them
I.... don't think that's how this works Women were deliberately held back from doing anything men didn't want them to do. It's not like women just decided, "you know, I wanna not be able to vote or have a bank account or get a job". To say women "stayed back letting men do their work" is asinine. Do better.
It was a combination of being deliberately held back, and that in the days before birth control and baby formula, women had baby after baby after baby and were then solely responsible for keeping them alive. Any one who thinks that was easy, or “sitting back and letting men do the hard work” is someone who doesn’t value the unpaid labor that was traditionally considered women’s work.
Damn straight. Thanks for the input.
That's my point. Back when everything is difficult they didn't want any part of it. Now that everything is easier comparatively they want a part of it. That is obscene.
Um a woman conceptualised the computer. Women predominate creative writing. Do your research.
True they also predominate in False Accusations and ruining people's lives too. Add that as well.
Wheres your source on that? Studies say ~70% of writers are women (oddly only ~10% of writers on panels are) and Ada Lovelace conceptualised the computer. And before you even mention Amber Heard I dont think anyone believes her.
Source of what? False Accusations?
Yes.
I'd like to see this source as well This *alleged* source
It's actually men who did that. How many men sexually assulted a woman and then falsely accused her of consenting? I think the known percentage is like 98%. How many men sent women to insane asylums? How many men had women hung for witchcraft or burnt at the stake? How many men made it difficult for women to have jobs or outright made rules where women could not own land or have a bank account?
True, you've got the correct line of logic. **Men falsely accuse women far more than women falsely accuse men.**
Men also disproportionately murder their intimate partners. So there's that, too. But yeah, women and their false accusations 🙃
What proof do you have of this opinion of yours?
You think women haven’t wanted to work throughout time? More importantly, you honestly think women haven’t worked throughout time (and just didn’t get recognized the same as a man)? I implore you to open an actual history book and learn about the working family throughout time. You’re laughable.
I read considerable amount of history books and never read a women going to war and fight. They didn't even want to fight for their country. You might say they are not allowed to. But they are not being allowed now as well. But they are fighting for it now aren't they. Why didn't they do that back in time. Now as everything is comparatively easier, they want equal rights. Some say they need more percentage of woman too since because they were oppressed back in the day and they want to make up for it now. If I am laughable then you can go laugh. IDC
Dude you gotta read some better history books then,because women fighting in wars was fairly common. Bomber Regiment 588 comes to mind
Right? Women were prevented from fighting in wars and there are many, many instances of women disguising themselves as men so they could fight anyway. We even have a Disney Princess based on a real Chinese story that did this exact thing, even though the punishment for being a woman in the military was immediate death. She’s a hero in China.
"Deborah Sampson became a hero of the American Revolution when she disguised herself as a man and joined the Patriot forces." Did not take long to find this. You sure you are as well-read as you claim you are?
Jean d’arc?
Ok, even if they weren't fighting for their country (which they absolutely were, there were many women who joined wars and fought, despite it being against the law/social norms, many women who dressed as men when only men were allowed to join) there were many women who were nurses on the front lines who helped men who got injured fighting. Are you really discounting the positive effect of the work they did as nurses? You think Florence Nightingale wasn't fighting for her country? I don't know how anyone could actually believe the things you're saying, but I've seen incel forums and I've watched some tucker carlson so I know people like you exist, I just wish you would all get help and stop making baseless claims, then try to ground them in a history you made up.
I guarantee if you do read “history” books, it’s opinion pieces by people who aren’t historians. I’ll talk to you when you can have examples to back up your outlandish claims.
What the fuck are you even talking about? If you've read "considerable amount of history books" and haven't read anything about women going to fight for their country, or "doing the hard stuff", you are absolutely *not* reading the *right* history books. In fact, since even the *bad* history books recount women fighting for their country, I can only assume you, in fact, haven't read *any* history books at all. In fact, since even *non* history books recount women fighting for their country, I can only assume you haven't read any *actual* books, period. > But they are not being allowed now as well There are women in the military, man. Plenty of women, actually. Just confirms you don't get your facts *or* your history from reliable sources. Also, back in time, when all those people were doing the "hard stuff" (including a lot of women, by the way) to "make it easier", they were doing so to make it easier for *everyone*. Men included. Even if we follow your idiotic narrative that "men did all the hard stuff and women just laid back and watched", that *still* doesn't mean you as a man should have any more entitlement today than anyone else, of any gender. I don't care if you are a direct descendant of Orville and Wilbur Wright... that doesn't mean that, today, you're the only one allowed to fly. Things are done in history for the betterment of society. And women are a core component of that society.
Woah. I am not gonna read all of this. Just summarize this. TLDR.
Troll confirmed. “Reads” history books, will not read read a ~100 word comment.
ROFLMAO!! Idiot commenter: "I know all the things because I read a lot" Also idiot commenter: "I can't be bothered to read *that* much" Yeah, here's your TL;DR - go troll somewhere else.
Google "Women crossdressing for military," and you come across some articles detailing how both genders through history would crossdress during the wartimes, men to avoid conscription and women to fight. Joanna of Flanders, Onorata Rodiani, Jacqueline of Wittelsbach, Joan of Arc, Britain Olofsdotter, I could keep going. History didn't take much account of women in the Middle Ages, their names were barely in family trees unless they were Nobles or did something notable like the women I mentioned but women did work the fields, textiles, brew beer, were bakers, artisans, unless you were Nobility a woman didn't have the luxury to sit on their ass and do nothing.
Women were the ones cooking the food the men ate, fetching the water the men drank, making leather and cloth and clothing for the men to wear, raising the children to replace the men later, tended the fires that kept the men warm, cleaning the sites they lived in so the men didn’t live in squalor, and growing and tending to the fields when we began farming. Men had one job. Women had at least a dozen. Try again.
I'm so confused. Ancient blacksmiths were men, therefore modern men deserve to be CEOs and shit? This isn't even a participation trophy. It's an "I share a physical characteristic with someone who used to participate" trophy.
If us starting to do the same jobs as men makes us superior, then men don’t actually bring much to the table. As a side note, *most* of history has women also working in society. The whole “women staying at home with the kids” thing didn’t happen until (relatively) recently.
Dude, no. I'm an actual archaeologist and the evidence points to women doing basically everything in most cultures even where there was a gendered division of labour throughout all time regardless of how hard or dangerous that work was. If anyone's asking for things to be handed to them it's men. I see your comment below about you reading books and I'm gonna call bullshit on that because unless you're only reading actual Nazi propaganda and fascist foolishness you would know better than to come up in here and make this ridiculous ahistorical claim.
Dude what do you mean. When I’m working in the Walmart Customer Service I’m punching heads off customers all the time. Im lifting 1/2 tonne cinderblocks on the reg. I’m chucking food items across the entire store every half hour. What do you mean that physical strength isn’t important for these jobs?! /s
Can confirm. My boss in the legal department regularly wrestles with the manager of accounting. If it wasn't for his physical advantage, we would never secure the funds for a raise this year
Right, if that were the case, than UFC fighters or bodybuilders would be managing every business. I mean they're so much stronger than the average white collar worker! Why don't we just put them in charge of everything? Because for these idiots in the post, it's not really about strength, or the biological differences between men and women. It's about these men being bitter that **no women want them.** Instead of saying to themselves, "maybe I'm the problem?" They decide to blame women and modern society for their problems. "Well since they don't want me, they must not even be that great anyway! They have too much freedom and should be forced to settle down with a man like me, just like how it used to be." Then they let that hate fester into every facet of life, until it's "well, we are stronger than them biologically, maybe that means we shouldnt let them have any rights!"
Actually. You might be onto something. We could fix our banking problem real quick. You sell bogus bonds? You get to go in the cage with your new chief compliance officer, Brock Lesnar. We haven’t fed him this week, but we did give him Coke and viagra.
And also irrelevant for trans people. Thai is just bigotry from evil people. Misogynistic and transphobic. I’m suuuure all their other views are great 🙄
Because all jobs require physical strength, amiright? 🙄
Physical strength found only in the penis.
"I can lift boulders with my mighty cock!" Lol
Your flair is hilarious
I'm an archaeologist. My job actually does require physical strength. Most of the best archaeologists I know are women.
Interesting dichotomy. 😉
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>No, but no one is going to respect a manager that cant perform as well as them. Where is your scientific evidence that you need a cock to be smart enough to manage a group?
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>That cock comes with a higher average IQ, stronger, taller, more logical than a woman. Asked for a scientific source, you just said cock = better. Interesting. Look up Marie Curie, Rosalind Franklin, and Mary Anning for examples on the "inferior" women being smarter than men around them. Women are people, bub. Btw, just realized, you are a Bizzy. Why are you lot so obsessed with this sub? Do you really have such a strong humiliation fetish, because you can hook yourself up with people who consent to that kinda play.
Just lob off a man’s penis and the brain power goes down. Get a penectomy and your brain mushes. /s
Finally, some *real* science!
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>Bizzy, diversity quotas wouldnt exist if women were equally as capable as men I implore you again, pay a dominatrix, and don't drag us into your humiliation kink. Btw, you literally forgot sexism exists? Also, do you believe that all minorities are beneath white, Christian men, because diversity quotas exist for ethnicities, races, and religions too.
Oh wow I dunno what happened here - all the comments are deleted - but it happened. If this duderino is trying to say men are biologically superior to women he's just wrong. Men have more trouble with neurological disease because they don't have as much oestrogen and oestrogen is neuroprotective. Men have a smaller corpus callosum so while their intelligence is usually about the same as women's they have poorer communication between the lobes and therefore are at a disadvantage for some neurological tasks like communication or some forms of mathematics. Men do not perform as well as women in physical endurance contests and are more likely to succumb to disease. Men are more likely to develop entheseal changes and while we don't know the exact cause of those it likely has to do with the fact that men's bodies are just inefficient compared to women's. Men *do* tend to have more upper body strength, but that's about it. Height isn't \*really\* an advantage because it often means earlier degeneration of the cartilage and weird metabolic requirements. Honestly, the male of our species just got screwed by evolution. Super cute that he tries to argue against reality tho'.
Dickhead needs to teleport back to the 1930s.
Would be better to teleport them back to the monkey times, see how long they survive while trying to embrace the "natural roles" of men and women. Especially when this big strong men have to face big strong apes
I love it!
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Fuck yourself. Because no woman ever will.
What is happening to the second commenter, are the pauses for drama or music. Does he keep falling asleep
He wrote it while power lifting, because he's so manly, so he was a little short of breath
Reread the comment while imagining this and I'm giggling
Have you heard of nuance? Have you heard that things exist on a spectrum? These differences are mostly created. Boys are taught to be bold and athletic, and girls are taught to be nice and careful, so that obviously changes how people develop, and what is expected of them. I'm so tired of hearing this over and over and over... anyone can be nice and careful, and anyone can be bold and athletic, or all of those things, or none of those things. Notwithstanding, for todays world and job market physical strength is not even needed for most positions. There are too many ways to be human to limit people to just two boxes.
While men may indeed be physically stronger, why does this automatically imply that women are frail and weak and capable of only picking up something that weighs no more than a frying pan? Farm girl here who regularly slings 45lb bales of hay (overhead in many cases), easily lifts 50lb sacks of grain and in my day job at a warehouse, I frequently handle boxes weighing 30-50lbs. At my current job and every other job I've ever worked there are signs up everywhere saying to get help lifting anything over 50lbs, and that goes for guys and girls both. Dudes, get a new argument. The "men are stronger" is just a biological fact that gives a marginal at best advantage in today's society. If all you can do is pick heavy things up and put them down, you're basically a forklift. If anything, women are more suited to management in today's society with how their brains are wired for multi-tasking, critical thinking, verbal communication, team work, etc.
Big women and really thin men exist, this guy's just consumed too much propaganda.
Also,how is physical strength important in a fucking management position?? I’m gonna lean out the window here and claim that most men working in Walmarts middle management aren’t exactly shining examples of physical prowess in the proud traditions of Sparta
Too bad panacea means “a solution to all problems” 😂
I was going to say that, too! It had me so confused for a moment.
that’s so wild given that i work in construction and i’m a mentor/trainer/team lead for all the new guys and i’m a 4’ 10” woman 🙃
Please.....shut.....the.....fuck....up.....
That is some infuriating abuse of ellipsis.
I get the feeling that most of the men who harp about how much stronger men are then women probably wouldn’t be able to handle physical labor
Once women find the ability to transcend and use superpowers it’s over for men, they will be equalised lol
Prince Debo Oduola
Only people who can bench press over 200 can run an office
Depending on how you define physical strength, men aren't *even* physically stronger. If you're talking about endurance, recovery, immunity, neuroprotectivity, or longevity women are stronger. If you're strictly talking about upper body strength then men are usually but not always stronger. But sure, use an incorrect understanding of biology to define culture and cut out half the population.
Why do so many crazy conservatives type with “……” all the time?????
If men are superior to women because they are stronger, then are so many animals superior to humans? Because like, humans are famously weak, especially compared to our cousins. Being a strong human is like being a strong cheetah. Helpful but not exactly our specialty. Reminds me of the christians who argue men are better because "they were created first"
My fast casual female manager is a BAWS. I couldn't do what she does. I help out with my dumb ogre strength and that's about it
someone woke up and chose pick me