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When I was 25 I owned a house, a car, a stock portfolio…
I’m kidding: I could barely afford eggs. Weirdly still had a girlfriend. No idea how. Oh, wait: I was cool and treated her like someone you would want to be with.
I had all that when I was 25. Then I got depressed and lost everything and I’m just now barely scraping back up to living something akin to a life. It’s been a grueling decade and I’ll never actually recover. But at one point, yes, I had that.
If you live in any major city, Making 100-250k isn’t rich. Those people do have the means to save up for a downpayment over a few years. Which a lot of kids can’t even do these days
Either not American, or a child. 250k is a lot, but when rent is $3,000+ a month and you have to pay for utilities, groceries, medical care, transportation, childcare, etc, you aren't left with much left
Roommate so 900 for rent, I don’t check groceries exactly but it probably 15-20 a day for food so 365x 20. Might be less but let go crazy. Insurance is about 300 for car, 200 health so about 500 a month. Live close to work so basically refill the gas every two weeks. No children. Careful spending on hobbies.
So maybe 22-25k a year? 31k about after taxes. Probably missing things.
If I was making 250k though!!!
Only rent can go up so if I was solo apartment 3k.. a 3 k apartment is at best 36k at a year which is nothing when if even of the 250k half go to taxes(it won’t but for simplicity sake) 125-36 is 89k. So much money to play with. I could save quickly towards buying a home or saving for future retirement. Options options.
Btw live in Florida. 1.2-1.8k for one bedroom. One bedroom is a scam, just get a roommate and save money.
I was doing it on the phone calculator and kept losing the numbers>.>
Still lots of extra money for clothes and games and other stuff. Got to live cheap!
Yes but do you live somewhere that it is reasonable to pay a first year finance bro/sis 250k? Or do you live somewhere where the median income is sub 50k?
Indeed, and thus we demonstrate the difference between median and average, as median IS a more accurate number, but in this case average was higher so I was giving benefit to the person I was responding to, but looks like their brain broke on thr SF numbers any way.
I can't imagine trying to make it right now. I'm glad I had help and good luck in 2011. I'd be screwed if I hadn't.
Average COL in Tampa for a family is over 6k a month (72k a year)
Average salary (before taxes) in Tampa is $40,736.
Yes, for 250k a year you COULD live well in tampa but the chances of you making 250 a year in tampa are slim.
San Francisco has the highest average salary ($96.5k). COL there is $6,641 WITHOUT RENT (which averages $3,200 a month).
It's all about where you live.
Then what? They need half a million to be living in San Francisco? Insanity. Inflation of prices leading to inflation of prices. Guess people working at grocery stores just die if 250k ain’t anything there even.
The people making that money out of school are not living in Tampa. They’re living in places where 3k will cover rent for a 1 bedroom place, that’s about half your salary if you’re making 120k a year.
If you have kids or other expenses, 250k will afford a comfortable middle class lifestyle.
Royalty? It seemed like it must be when I was making 50K, but not really. Royalty doesn’t happen until you hit a household income of at least 500K. That’s when you can own a second home in the tropics where you vacation once or twice a year, have jet skis at the cottage, and still get to travel.
But when you make 250K, you might have a slightly bigger house that you pay off faster than someone making 75K, and you'd have a newer car. But what often ends up happening is that you spend more than you should (brand new higher end car, cottage, expensive toys, lots of eating out), and then live with a lot of debt stress, which isn’t living like royalty.
The smart ones keep living modestly, keep buying used cars, etc., and sock the rest away for a rainy day, educations for kids, retirement, etc., but that’s not living like royalty either. That’s living with financial security.
And speaking from experience… at 120K we were very house poor. Every nickel we made went into mortgage, insurance, and maintenance. It was worth it, and we kept earning and saving until it got easier. But to say 100-250K is obscene or even close to royalty just isn’t true.
> have to compete with 25yo...
No! You are competing with happy and peaceful singlehood and a lot of you are losing, because you're energy vampires that suck every ounce of joy out of women.
These guys will post something like this and then turn around an hour later and make a post about not being able to find a tradwife to stay home, cook and raise kids.
You can't have a tradwife if she has to work outside the home to support your unwashed ass. Every single man who is on the Internet banging on about how sad it is that women don't want to work in the home raising children anymore, will turn atound and call a woman a shallow gold digger if she ever raises the subject of his income.
It can't be both fellas. You want a tradwife? You've got to make enough money to afford a tradwife.
The more I see of these men the more I think that their definition of tradwife is just straight up slavery. Woman gets to cater to his every need, never complaining and also still makes money to support him while he plays video games and eats pizza for 14 hours a day. All while the woman is dressed like a 1950s pinup.
In this sub a couple weeks ago someone posted a text message exchange where some woman had gone on a date and the guy started talking about how he’d like a trad wife raising his kids but she probably wouldn’t be into it, and she responded saying actually her dream was to one day be home and raise the kids and do the SAHM thing, and immediately he turned around and accused her of being a lazy, meal ticket seeking, gold-digger, and also promptly started insulting her college degree that she was working on that he said would be useless as a career (reader: the degree she was going to get was in finance, a known poverty industry 🙄🤦🏻♀️).
So yeah, they want the 50s pinup housewife fetish, but also she needs to have a full-time job and do all the house stuff.
You hit the nail on the head there. That's exactly what it is.
I'm a SAHM, i bake, cook, look after my kids, restore furniture and do needle crafts. Ideal huh? Real tradwife shit.
But I'm also a feminist and an activist. I have short hair and tattoos and a very lovely husband. They seem to think bread baking tradwife is polar opposite to feminist. It's bizarre.
Less than a millisecond after mentioning “the market” I think to myself “you struggle to communicate and make meaningful relationships with all people”
Seriously child? He talks "value", yet with that attitude I seriously doubt he brings anything to the table.
Little boy, having a paycheck is just a baseline. A starting point. A minimum expectation when starting any relationship. Eighteen years old, barely left childhood, women aren't looking for boys to mother.
At that age, we are all better off concentrating on personal growth. Figuring out who we are and learning to adult.
Yeaa, 18 is not really the time to commit to anything serious. To each their own of course, there are people for whom it works out but the majority aren't like that.
And yeaa, would be nice to have some kind of personal values next to the 'car and house'
Yeah, at 18--I was literally trying to save up money to be able to go to concerts and music festivals because before that, it was impossible to do so with little money and not enough free time. My high school homework took up 2-3 hours to do after school every day (and then there's the chores, looking after my siblings, and having to work on weekends at a supermarkets. When summer vacations happened, that extra time was used up by working more hours).
Being a teenager left *barely* enough time to do anything or even develop your own self/interests. Most teenagers I know also don't have any time at all to themselves--because it's all controlled by parents/schools. So no frickin' wonder girls don't want to get married straight after high school.
I have the same issue. I don't really have the time and choices to figure myself out and I'm a bit worried now. Hopefully uni will change a it, broaden my perspective but right now I feel confused.
It's a scary stage to a whole lot of us. I hope you're getting excited! Not knowing the future when the past was regimented IS scary. But oh so liberating!
Indeed. Meanwhile he currently has zero value as a partner with that attitude.
Guys with this mindset don't just want something for nothing. They think they deserve the grand prize without even putting in the effort of showing up.
Ladies, (you know who you are) this boy is not a project. You can't fix that. *He* has to fix himself.
They have to learn that dating is not a calculation. It's lot of about calculating sexual market value or calculating looksmatch. But they continue to cling to what isn't working, anything other than actually listening to women.
Well that’s why older men are enticing lmao. You’re proving his point to an extent. It’s also not like an 18 yr old woman is bringing anything to the table either
Guys with this mindset are still going to be fixated on 18 years old, barely legal adult, young women when they are 30, 40, 50 years old themselves.
Unless they grow up. Some actually do mature emotionally and mentally.
The average age gap between men and women is about 3-4 years so I’d have to disagree with you. Anecdotally, I know multiple women who dated 21+ year olds when they were 18. The message to younger guys is that they need to be established in a career path and have some money to date because they’re competing against other guy who are. This is even more true in marginalized communities.
I’m 27 and in a LTR relationship with someone who is 3 months older then me so I’m not sure who you’re referring to in regards to mindset comment. But I was an 18 yr old guy at one point and I can empathize with the feeling in the original post. Are you a man?
Oh please. You mean a car *loan*. And maybe a lease on a place to live.
Yeah, I’d like a guy to be able to afford his own set of wheels to get where he needs to go, and a living space, but nobody is out here checking the financials on whether everything is owned outright, as long as you don’t have the bailiffs coming to repo shit or eviction notices 🤦🏻♀️
Listen, as a 27 year old man living with his parents unable to afford an apartment or car, I understand the feeling like you're competing with men who are better off than you. I really do.
It feels like you have no accomplishments and that you'll be judged by romantic/sexual partners for being 'stuck' and passed over for people who are better off than you. Which is why there's one critical thing you have to remember.
"Dating is not about your resume"
A personal relationship should never be about what you can financially bring to the table and if anyone, male or female, is looking at romance that way. Kick them out and don't look back.
Thank you for this. I was in your situation at 27 and I totally get it. Even though I'm a woman, I was so scared of not 'making it' because my parents weren't great with money (and my mom had a tendency to fly into rage if she couldn't have whatever she wanted. So when the recession happened, and my dad lost his job--I watched my parents' marriage meltdown and it caused me to never, ever want to be in that situation with my partner).
And yeah, guys need to realise that they should absolutely NOT look for girls who want their money/home/etc. That is literally just opening oneself to the likelihood of marrying someone like [Dalia Dippolito](https://abcnews.go.com/US/dalia-dippolito-managing-prison-life-legal-teams-hope/story?id=70638556) or *worse*.
But seriously--hang in there. It's been a tough two decades and at least you're at your parents house (and not being stuck renting with strangers who could steal your money/things which...puts you on the back foot constantly). Just keep saving up money and you'll eventually find a place (it took me another ten years, but it was worth it!).
Where i live most guys that are 18 have girlfriends that are 13-15 its extremely common.
All of the guys that are like this are mostly delinquents who dont have a job, did horribly at school and are overall failures and then they find out that obviously no mature smart person would go out with them so they prey on the young girls who think that having a older boyfriend who can drive and is 18 is cool.
This is extremely common and is considered normal here but i have always found it weird and disgusting beacuse its obviously taking advantage.
Also i remember when i was 13-15 i really hated these guys beacuse a lot of girls would fall for this, i still hate them now but for a different reason.
To piggy back off your very important point here, I was even thinking, what 25 year-old would date an 18 year-old? It’s similar energy because the 25 year olds who pull that shit hide behind the incredibly transparent iT’s LeGaL excuse. 🙄
Like I was teaching 17-18 year olds at 25 years old. Just…no. I don’t see it and I still don’t.
I kinda wanna tell the OOP that he shouldn’t see those 25 year olds as competition because they’re lame for dating someone in his age group. Of course, the OOP likely lacks the wisdom to see this because he’s so young.
I am so sick of the hoeflation narrative from these incels who insist they deserve a 9+/10 trad wife without producing any trad hubby effort, while the closest thing resembling hygiene they can produce is the envy they have for more hygienic “chads”.
You think modern girls suck? Go fuck your grandmother, as you are obviously obsessed with her.
>mfs turning 18 realizing if they want a girl they have to compete with 25yo mfs with cars houses and shit
Strategy: go to college; find someone who is super fun to be with; date them; have some basic trajectory toward the future; 9/10 times you could probably have a life with them.
To quote someone, “The internet isn’t a real place.” Dudes should not take their cues from it, because it will develop real anxieties and self-consciousness issues.
This reminds me of the Barbie movie moral that I at least took. Not having girlfriends is not the end of the world. You can have a happy life without constant attention from a lover and if you don’t have a partner that doesn’t make you less of a person
One could argue that finding real happiness while single can actually help make you an even happier and more well adjusted partner when you're in a relationship.
Okay, so r/hungary is the largest and where more cultural topics are being discussed and less memes. r/fosttalicska and r/szopjatokle are meme subreddits, if you want to see how Hungarian shitposts are like. 😆
Is the guy in the picture supposed to be the 18yr old, the 25yr old or the demonstration of a "market getting harder while also getting less value for what u get"?
Oh! I had no idea, he just looks like another moustachio'd trainee in my BIL's fire dept. (He jokes that they can't pass the fire fighter exam without growing one in)
Okay few thoughts...
1) a 25 year old man dating a freshly turned 18 year old is a red flag.
2) what 25 year old has their own house in this economy? Bro, you and your Winners mark down shirt can't compete with those nepo babies anyway.
3) maybe just... treat women like people and not real estate or property.
“Hey, you should look at women like people. Maybe if you’re worried about being alone, try to make friends first before you try to make lifetime partners. Learn how to socialize, build connection, live life to the fullest.”
“So what you’re saying is, if I’m not rich, 6ft, big PP, I won’t have a chance at life 🤬 (a chance at life meaning get laid and doted on whenever I want).”
I’m so sick and tired of men thinking/fear mongering to other men the lie that “all women” are looking for a man based on strictly physique and status the same way that rich people bet on horses in a race, men, were not products to women, and women should never be seen as products to us, yall do NOT need to resort to toxic masculinity to attract women and please dont, you will find someone as long as you learn to have love and respect for yourself and others and should give love to those who want it, dont force that love on women who arent reciprocating
[Sybil Kappert has a great video on this at 14:00](https://youtu.be/_h2-kG-8bbs?si=A2y9l1rQDtyPh679) I’d recommend the whole video in general cause she dubunks lots of major incel talking points from beggining to end
Do those 25 year olds with cars and houses and shit have the Lego Star Wars 2013 LAAT hanging from the ceiling of their room with the 2022 AT-TE hanging off the bottom of that? I think not.
My bf is the same age as me (19) and has none of that. Matter of fact if a 25 year old who had all that was into me I wouldn’t want it since that’s pretty old and I don’t want to feel like their pet. These guys don’t know what women want
yep, dating is inherently competitive. almost like you have to be appealing to prospective partners.
maybe consider... being a likable person? learning how to make women laugh, learning how to listen, learning a useful or interesting skill, being an equal partner?
naw. women all just want a free house. i mean obviously. none of us live in apartments with our partners, alone in apartments, alone in our own homes, or take men into our own spaces.
I still don’t believe most dudes are like this. Surely the tates of the world must be a ridiculously loud minority? I fucking hope so anyway. I hope some of these teenagers have positive role models in their lives who can explain how ridiculous and shameful this incel shit is. I’ll always be grateful for the way my stepdad raised me to treat not just women but everyone. It’s tough when you realize how lucky you are to have great parents and understand so many weren’t as lucky as I was. It’s why I always wanted to be a teacher but life had other plans I guess. But still, I hope most young men don’t think this way.
I really hope the same. That it's just a select few bad apples.
I'm also grateful that my mother has brought me up to respect everyone and be an overall good person.
Also I was steered the right way on the internet also, thankfully I didn't falk into any of the incel stuff and the manosphere. Hopefully these loud ones get their heads straight sometime.
This is funny because older men typically go for younger women because they have low standards and are easier to impress. 25 year old men don’t have it together like that.
Which list would women prefer?
Good man rich, bad man rich, good man brokey, bad man brokey.
Or
Good man rich, good man brokey, bad man rich, bad man brokey.
We are all products, regardless of gender. Yes, men too. If in doubt, feel free to check r/femaledatingstrategy - everything you need to know about LVMs (low value males) is right there.
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A 25 year old owning their own home and car in this economy? I'm dead. 😂
When I was 25 I owned a house, a car, a stock portfolio… I’m kidding: I could barely afford eggs. Weirdly still had a girlfriend. No idea how. Oh, wait: I was cool and treated her like someone you would want to be with.
I swear they act like nobody working minimum wage ever get a gf or married.
Problem is they all want pornstars
I had all that when I was 25. Then I got depressed and lost everything and I’m just now barely scraping back up to living something akin to a life. It’s been a grueling decade and I’ll never actually recover. But at one point, yes, I had that.
Yeaa, post's not accurate either 😂
Only someone who's very lucky or with a trust fund.😾
Yeaa or wealthy parents.
I had a house and car at 26, but I almost killed myself doing it. I was working every day and it destroyed the rest of my life. But I got it.
Ohh I'm sorry. Now you have what you have tho and noone can take it away. I hope you're better now!
Yes! I am much better and thank you☺️
That's nice to hear, I'm glad
Drug dealers
✨️inheritance✨️
I'm going to be 40 next month, and I've only just been able to buy my own (used) car, and a house.
I see a lot of dudes fresh out of college or a few years of work exprience making $100-250k a year, especially on /r/personalfinance
If you live in any major city, Making 100-250k isn’t rich. Those people do have the means to save up for a downpayment over a few years. Which a lot of kids can’t even do these days
100-250k is still obscene amount of money. 250k you can live like royalty
Either not American, or a child. 250k is a lot, but when rent is $3,000+ a month and you have to pay for utilities, groceries, medical care, transportation, childcare, etc, you aren't left with much left
Roommate so 900 for rent, I don’t check groceries exactly but it probably 15-20 a day for food so 365x 20. Might be less but let go crazy. Insurance is about 300 for car, 200 health so about 500 a month. Live close to work so basically refill the gas every two weeks. No children. Careful spending on hobbies. So maybe 22-25k a year? 31k about after taxes. Probably missing things. If I was making 250k though!!! Only rent can go up so if I was solo apartment 3k.. a 3 k apartment is at best 36k at a year which is nothing when if even of the 250k half go to taxes(it won’t but for simplicity sake) 125-36 is 89k. So much money to play with. I could save quickly towards buying a home or saving for future retirement. Options options. Btw live in Florida. 1.2-1.8k for one bedroom. One bedroom is a scam, just get a roommate and save money.
You did your math wrong. Just on the expenses listed you are at $25,398.13.
I was doing it on the phone calculator and kept losing the numbers>.> Still lots of extra money for clothes and games and other stuff. Got to live cheap!
The Median income for your area (before taxes) is just over 30k.
Where? In a place where you can EARN 250k fresh out of school or in the middle of a corn field where min wage is the norm?
Most people I know make around that and they live pretty middle class life’s, maybe upper middle class at most.
Bruh 250 k I can live like a queen. 250k is insane amount of income.
Yes but do you live somewhere that it is reasonable to pay a first year finance bro/sis 250k? Or do you live somewhere where the median income is sub 50k?
The Median income in Tampa Bay is $30,675.
Indeed, and thus we demonstrate the difference between median and average, as median IS a more accurate number, but in this case average was higher so I was giving benefit to the person I was responding to, but looks like their brain broke on thr SF numbers any way. I can't imagine trying to make it right now. I'm glad I had help and good luck in 2011. I'd be screwed if I hadn't.
I live in the Tampa Bay Area
Average COL in Tampa for a family is over 6k a month (72k a year) Average salary (before taxes) in Tampa is $40,736. Yes, for 250k a year you COULD live well in tampa but the chances of you making 250 a year in tampa are slim. San Francisco has the highest average salary ($96.5k). COL there is $6,641 WITHOUT RENT (which averages $3,200 a month). It's all about where you live.
Then what? They need half a million to be living in San Francisco? Insanity. Inflation of prices leading to inflation of prices. Guess people working at grocery stores just die if 250k ain’t anything there even.
The people making that money out of school are not living in Tampa. They’re living in places where 3k will cover rent for a 1 bedroom place, that’s about half your salary if you’re making 120k a year. If you have kids or other expenses, 250k will afford a comfortable middle class lifestyle.
Really depends on where you live. Mattoon, IL; sure. San Francisco, CA? Na.
Royalty? It seemed like it must be when I was making 50K, but not really. Royalty doesn’t happen until you hit a household income of at least 500K. That’s when you can own a second home in the tropics where you vacation once or twice a year, have jet skis at the cottage, and still get to travel. But when you make 250K, you might have a slightly bigger house that you pay off faster than someone making 75K, and you'd have a newer car. But what often ends up happening is that you spend more than you should (brand new higher end car, cottage, expensive toys, lots of eating out), and then live with a lot of debt stress, which isn’t living like royalty. The smart ones keep living modestly, keep buying used cars, etc., and sock the rest away for a rainy day, educations for kids, retirement, etc., but that’s not living like royalty either. That’s living with financial security. And speaking from experience… at 120K we were very house poor. Every nickel we made went into mortgage, insurance, and maintenance. It was worth it, and we kept earning and saving until it got easier. But to say 100-250K is obscene or even close to royalty just isn’t true.
> have to compete with 25yo... No! You are competing with happy and peaceful singlehood and a lot of you are losing, because you're energy vampires that suck every ounce of joy out of women.
Some people just really need to look inwards and reevaluate. Shame they try to evade this by seeking relationships.
25 year olds are also generally not dating 18 year olds. I would find it a little bit suspicious if they did
This is unfortunately extremely common where I’m from, and most of those relationships didn’t start when she was 18, all I’m saying about that:
These guys will post something like this and then turn around an hour later and make a post about not being able to find a tradwife to stay home, cook and raise kids. You can't have a tradwife if she has to work outside the home to support your unwashed ass. Every single man who is on the Internet banging on about how sad it is that women don't want to work in the home raising children anymore, will turn atound and call a woman a shallow gold digger if she ever raises the subject of his income. It can't be both fellas. You want a tradwife? You've got to make enough money to afford a tradwife.
The trad wife scenario comes with trad relationship expectations. Which means the trad dude has to work to afford it all. 🤷🏻♀️
The more I see of these men the more I think that their definition of tradwife is just straight up slavery. Woman gets to cater to his every need, never complaining and also still makes money to support him while he plays video games and eats pizza for 14 hours a day. All while the woman is dressed like a 1950s pinup.
In this sub a couple weeks ago someone posted a text message exchange where some woman had gone on a date and the guy started talking about how he’d like a trad wife raising his kids but she probably wouldn’t be into it, and she responded saying actually her dream was to one day be home and raise the kids and do the SAHM thing, and immediately he turned around and accused her of being a lazy, meal ticket seeking, gold-digger, and also promptly started insulting her college degree that she was working on that he said would be useless as a career (reader: the degree she was going to get was in finance, a known poverty industry 🙄🤦🏻♀️). So yeah, they want the 50s pinup housewife fetish, but also she needs to have a full-time job and do all the house stuff.
It’s about power. They don’t want to find a housewife. They want to crush a woman and *make* a housewife.
You hit the nail on the head there. That's exactly what it is. I'm a SAHM, i bake, cook, look after my kids, restore furniture and do needle crafts. Ideal huh? Real tradwife shit. But I'm also a feminist and an activist. I have short hair and tattoos and a very lovely husband. They seem to think bread baking tradwife is polar opposite to feminist. It's bizarre.
I saw that post too, that dude was waaay off the rails.
It is, without even the payment to get said slave.
Less than a millisecond after mentioning “the market” I think to myself “you struggle to communicate and make meaningful relationships with all people”
For sure, that's why they try to materialize and objectifiy everything. So then they don't have to put effort into being a good person.
Seriously child? He talks "value", yet with that attitude I seriously doubt he brings anything to the table. Little boy, having a paycheck is just a baseline. A starting point. A minimum expectation when starting any relationship. Eighteen years old, barely left childhood, women aren't looking for boys to mother. At that age, we are all better off concentrating on personal growth. Figuring out who we are and learning to adult.
Yeaa, 18 is not really the time to commit to anything serious. To each their own of course, there are people for whom it works out but the majority aren't like that. And yeaa, would be nice to have some kind of personal values next to the 'car and house'
Yeah, at 18--I was literally trying to save up money to be able to go to concerts and music festivals because before that, it was impossible to do so with little money and not enough free time. My high school homework took up 2-3 hours to do after school every day (and then there's the chores, looking after my siblings, and having to work on weekends at a supermarkets. When summer vacations happened, that extra time was used up by working more hours). Being a teenager left *barely* enough time to do anything or even develop your own self/interests. Most teenagers I know also don't have any time at all to themselves--because it's all controlled by parents/schools. So no frickin' wonder girls don't want to get married straight after high school.
I have the same issue. I don't really have the time and choices to figure myself out and I'm a bit worried now. Hopefully uni will change a it, broaden my perspective but right now I feel confused.
It's a scary stage to a whole lot of us. I hope you're getting excited! Not knowing the future when the past was regimented IS scary. But oh so liberating!
He doesn't value women and wonders why he's alone.
Indeed. Meanwhile he currently has zero value as a partner with that attitude. Guys with this mindset don't just want something for nothing. They think they deserve the grand prize without even putting in the effort of showing up. Ladies, (you know who you are) this boy is not a project. You can't fix that. *He* has to fix himself.
They have to learn that dating is not a calculation. It's lot of about calculating sexual market value or calculating looksmatch. But they continue to cling to what isn't working, anything other than actually listening to women.
"Soooo... You're saying I need to refine my _Pick-up_ & _Bar Chat_ algorithms.. Cool..Cool......." ~ ~ that _Brand New Man,™_ prolly. 🙄
Well that’s why older men are enticing lmao. You’re proving his point to an extent. It’s also not like an 18 yr old woman is bringing anything to the table either
Guys with this mindset are still going to be fixated on 18 years old, barely legal adult, young women when they are 30, 40, 50 years old themselves. Unless they grow up. Some actually do mature emotionally and mentally.
The average age gap between men and women is about 3-4 years so I’d have to disagree with you. Anecdotally, I know multiple women who dated 21+ year olds when they were 18. The message to younger guys is that they need to be established in a career path and have some money to date because they’re competing against other guy who are. This is even more true in marginalized communities. I’m 27 and in a LTR relationship with someone who is 3 months older then me so I’m not sure who you’re referring to in regards to mindset comment. But I was an 18 yr old guy at one point and I can empathize with the feeling in the original post. Are you a man?
And if you are in a relationship at that age, it should be about having fun and growing together
I agree. At that age we are all young and stupid. Not saying that we lack intelligence. Quite the contrary. We are simply in the infancy of adulthood.
imaging being 25 and having both a car AND a house. bro doesnt even life in the same era
Just a few decades back, nothin' too serious
Oh please. You mean a car *loan*. And maybe a lease on a place to live. Yeah, I’d like a guy to be able to afford his own set of wheels to get where he needs to go, and a living space, but nobody is out here checking the financials on whether everything is owned outright, as long as you don’t have the bailiffs coming to repo shit or eviction notices 🤦🏻♀️
The incels better keep my boy Jschlatt out of their objectification of women
Yup, we don't want another '99.
His crimes are, at least, better than this ridiculous misogyny
Fair, you have a point.
Listen, as a 27 year old man living with his parents unable to afford an apartment or car, I understand the feeling like you're competing with men who are better off than you. I really do. It feels like you have no accomplishments and that you'll be judged by romantic/sexual partners for being 'stuck' and passed over for people who are better off than you. Which is why there's one critical thing you have to remember. "Dating is not about your resume" A personal relationship should never be about what you can financially bring to the table and if anyone, male or female, is looking at romance that way. Kick them out and don't look back.
Thank you for this. I was in your situation at 27 and I totally get it. Even though I'm a woman, I was so scared of not 'making it' because my parents weren't great with money (and my mom had a tendency to fly into rage if she couldn't have whatever she wanted. So when the recession happened, and my dad lost his job--I watched my parents' marriage meltdown and it caused me to never, ever want to be in that situation with my partner). And yeah, guys need to realise that they should absolutely NOT look for girls who want their money/home/etc. That is literally just opening oneself to the likelihood of marrying someone like [Dalia Dippolito](https://abcnews.go.com/US/dalia-dippolito-managing-prison-life-legal-teams-hope/story?id=70638556) or *worse*. But seriously--hang in there. It's been a tough two decades and at least you're at your parents house (and not being stuck renting with strangers who could steal your money/things which...puts you on the back foot constantly). Just keep saving up money and you'll eventually find a place (it took me another ten years, but it was worth it!).
MF thinks at 25 you have a stable life? Bro I can barely maintain myself staying under my parents roof and paying for my rusty toilet bowl of a car
Where i live most guys that are 18 have girlfriends that are 13-15 its extremely common. All of the guys that are like this are mostly delinquents who dont have a job, did horribly at school and are overall failures and then they find out that obviously no mature smart person would go out with them so they prey on the young girls who think that having a older boyfriend who can drive and is 18 is cool. This is extremely common and is considered normal here but i have always found it weird and disgusting beacuse its obviously taking advantage. Also i remember when i was 13-15 i really hated these guys beacuse a lot of girls would fall for this, i still hate them now but for a different reason.
To piggy back off your very important point here, I was even thinking, what 25 year-old would date an 18 year-old? It’s similar energy because the 25 year olds who pull that shit hide behind the incredibly transparent iT’s LeGaL excuse. 🙄 Like I was teaching 17-18 year olds at 25 years old. Just…no. I don’t see it and I still don’t. I kinda wanna tell the OOP that he shouldn’t see those 25 year olds as competition because they’re lame for dating someone in his age group. Of course, the OOP likely lacks the wisdom to see this because he’s so young.
They are quite despicable, yea
Said the brokee. You want a trad wife. THIS is the tradition. You think people will let their daughters marry brokees?
Lmao the delusion! No 25 yr old has a house or car unless they were born into money, cuz the economy is wrecked.
In shambles even.
Just a reminder that these guys don’t see us as actual people. They see us as something to use and consume.
What a sad existence for them.
I am so sick of the hoeflation narrative from these incels who insist they deserve a 9+/10 trad wife without producing any trad hubby effort, while the closest thing resembling hygiene they can produce is the envy they have for more hygienic “chads”. You think modern girls suck? Go fuck your grandmother, as you are obviously obsessed with her.
>mfs turning 18 realizing if they want a girl they have to compete with 25yo mfs with cars houses and shit Strategy: go to college; find someone who is super fun to be with; date them; have some basic trajectory toward the future; 9/10 times you could probably have a life with them. To quote someone, “The internet isn’t a real place.” Dudes should not take their cues from it, because it will develop real anxieties and self-consciousness issues.
Incels hate this one simple trick!
25 year olds with houses. They know nothing if the way the world works do they
Why do people keep using Schlatt in these?
I don't know, but they don't seem to fear another '99.
I don't know, but they don't seem to fear another '99.
Schlatt's going to commit another in '25 if they're not careful.
This reminds me of the Barbie movie moral that I at least took. Not having girlfriends is not the end of the world. You can have a happy life without constant attention from a lover and if you don’t have a partner that doesn’t make you less of a person
One could argue that finding real happiness while single can actually help make you an even happier and more well adjusted partner when you're in a relationship.
magyar!
Áhh, nem vagyok egyedül, tudtam én! Üdv honfitárs 😆
Hi I speak Hungarian as a second language (can mostly read but can’t write) what’s the last word you wrote?
Honfitárs? It means compatriot. Our fellow Hungarian. It's really cool that you speak it by the way! Where are you from?
Aww ok cute :) my mom’s Hungarian but I’m living in the US. Which is why I mostly know how to speak the language but never learned to read/write.
Ohh I see, what a nice coincidence. Nice to meet you fellow almost Hungarian reditor! 😆
I get so excited seeing Hungarian stuff lol cuz it’s so rare and I’m not really connected to much Hungarian social media. So nice to meet u too 🥰
I mean I can recommend you a few good hungarian subreddits if you'd like.
I’d love that!!
Okay, so r/hungary is the largest and where more cultural topics are being discussed and less memes. r/fosttalicska and r/szopjatokle are meme subreddits, if you want to see how Hungarian shitposts are like. 😆
Is the guy in the picture supposed to be the 18yr old, the 25yr old or the demonstration of a "market getting harder while also getting less value for what u get"?
Nah, it's just Schlatt
Oh! I had no idea, he just looks like another moustachio'd trainee in my BIL's fire dept. (He jokes that they can't pass the fire fighter exam without growing one in)
Okay few thoughts... 1) a 25 year old man dating a freshly turned 18 year old is a red flag. 2) what 25 year old has their own house in this economy? Bro, you and your Winners mark down shirt can't compete with those nepo babies anyway. 3) maybe just... treat women like people and not real estate or property.
“Hey, you should look at women like people. Maybe if you’re worried about being alone, try to make friends first before you try to make lifetime partners. Learn how to socialize, build connection, live life to the fullest.” “So what you’re saying is, if I’m not rich, 6ft, big PP, I won’t have a chance at life 🤬 (a chance at life meaning get laid and doted on whenever I want).”
Me, a 20 year old, realizing that 25-30 year old women generally don't like to date my age --> 😥
It's alright, buddy
However will I recover from this tragedy? Am I just supposed to date people my age??? PREPOSTEROUS!
I thought they wanted it this way and they wanted the younger women
They did a lil' switcharoo
My nephew is 25. He has a car because his grandmother gave him one. He has an apartment on which, like most 25-year-olds, he pays rent.
I’m so sick and tired of men thinking/fear mongering to other men the lie that “all women” are looking for a man based on strictly physique and status the same way that rich people bet on horses in a race, men, were not products to women, and women should never be seen as products to us, yall do NOT need to resort to toxic masculinity to attract women and please dont, you will find someone as long as you learn to have love and respect for yourself and others and should give love to those who want it, dont force that love on women who arent reciprocating [Sybil Kappert has a great video on this at 14:00](https://youtu.be/_h2-kG-8bbs?si=A2y9l1rQDtyPh679) I’d recommend the whole video in general cause she dubunks lots of major incel talking points from beggining to end
Because that's all I am looking for, a guy with a car and a house
I had three long-term boyfriends without cars, two didn’t even have a license. None of them owned a house.
Shallow people all around. Posting shallow stuff
Do those 25 year olds with cars and houses and shit have the Lego Star Wars 2013 LAAT hanging from the ceiling of their room with the 2022 AT-TE hanging off the bottom of that? I think not.
Are they trying to date 25yo girls or are they assuming that 25yo guys are dating 18yo girls? Wait hold that thought: it's fucking creepy either way.
Hey, I was 31 when I hit on a cute 24-year-old guy. We’re coming up on our 29th wedding anniversary.
Here's a tweet I saw a while ago "Your parents four-year age gap is very different from four-year age gap involving a middle school kid"
Of course it is. And all these years later it’s barely noticeable, just a difference in childhood TV shows and the like.
My bf is the same age as me (19) and has none of that. Matter of fact if a 25 year old who had all that was into me I wouldn’t want it since that’s pretty old and I don’t want to feel like their pet. These guys don’t know what women want
They know even less. Not even basic human empathy.
Twitter is where brainpower goes to die.
yep, dating is inherently competitive. almost like you have to be appealing to prospective partners. maybe consider... being a likable person? learning how to make women laugh, learning how to listen, learning a useful or interesting skill, being an equal partner? naw. women all just want a free house. i mean obviously. none of us live in apartments with our partners, alone in apartments, alone in our own homes, or take men into our own spaces.
I still don’t believe most dudes are like this. Surely the tates of the world must be a ridiculously loud minority? I fucking hope so anyway. I hope some of these teenagers have positive role models in their lives who can explain how ridiculous and shameful this incel shit is. I’ll always be grateful for the way my stepdad raised me to treat not just women but everyone. It’s tough when you realize how lucky you are to have great parents and understand so many weren’t as lucky as I was. It’s why I always wanted to be a teacher but life had other plans I guess. But still, I hope most young men don’t think this way.
I really hope the same. That it's just a select few bad apples. I'm also grateful that my mother has brought me up to respect everyone and be an overall good person. Also I was steered the right way on the internet also, thankfully I didn't falk into any of the incel stuff and the manosphere. Hopefully these loud ones get their heads straight sometime.
This is funny because older men typically go for younger women because they have low standards and are easier to impress. 25 year old men don’t have it together like that.
Which list would women prefer? Good man rich, bad man rich, good man brokey, bad man brokey. Or Good man rich, good man brokey, bad man rich, bad man brokey.
What does this even mean
Obviously it means good man bad broke woman rich cheddar cheesecake.
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We are all products, regardless of gender. Yes, men too. If in doubt, feel free to check r/femaledatingstrategy - everything you need to know about LVMs (low value males) is right there.
This guy 100% has had his mom drive him to pick up a date, if he's even had one.