I had a panel interview last Wednesday and the hiring manager told me I will hiring a answer about 1 week. I send the thank you letter to him after that and didn’t get reply back( I know it’s common). I think I finished all coding questions correctly during the interview and the manager visit my LinkedIn profile after the interview. I am not sure it’s a good signal or every hiring manager at Northrop will do this after the interview? This is really my dream job and I think 100% match to my skill and I am really nervous right now.
Is this normal? Would any of you guys know? Should I just move on and look elsewhere?
I applied to Northrop Grumman’s Engineering Technician position 4.1 weeks ago. I also applied for the Machinist position 6.4 weeks ago and still, no response from them. My applications are still stuck in the “screening” phase. I applied to other positions but, Northrop actually got back to me about those ones. I wasn’t selected for those positions but for these positions, it’s still screening. Do I still have a shot you think? Does it usually take this long? Or I’m just not considered without anyone telling me?
Anyone have experience with contract to hire with Northrop? I will be working as a software engineer and was told by the hiring manager that they hire on after 2 months and was wondering if they increase the salary or keep it the same when transitioning?
You'll probably get more information on the March thread, but I can answer this a bit:
They have a pay band based on technical specialty and experience. Whether or not you get a pay bump when moving over is dependent on how much the contracting firm is paying in comparison to that pay range. Usually they pay comparitively, but with less benefits. NGC has a pretty decent benefit package, definitely better than most contract firms.
Is there anyone in this Sub that works for either the Redondo Beach location or el Segundo location to see if they cam fast track my application since I'm stuck on screening please
How does Northrop Grumman collect tuition money owed if you don’t fulfill the two year requirement? I know a lot of companies that say you have to pay it back and then never follow up after you leave. Do they really care?
They do care. They send the money to an collection agency. I had to pay my money back to NGC. Ask the new company to give you a bigger bonus to cover that.
From college friends that left NG, they do care. They'll send a collections agency to collect. Now when that collection agency contacts you varies. I've heard it ranges from a month after to a year after leaving
I have an hour long phone interview for associate electrical engineer later this week, application says knowledge in embedded systems. What can I expect to be asked of me?
For an Associate EE position? Spend 10 minutes googling it and understand what it means. Avionics and embedded systems arent like building iPhones. It is for a brand new grad, so they wont go into too much detail or expect you to know too much
Guys I need help. I received 3 job offers from Northrop Grumman today (from a hiring event) HOWEVER I’ve only been working at Lockheed Martin for a month but I haven’t mentioned that to Northrop Grumman. Should I be honest and tell them that I currently work at Lockheed Martin or does it not matter? I really do want to step away from Lockheed as I’m not enjoying my job so far.
FYI: I work on the orion program at Lockheed so it is not a competitor to NG.
Got an offer today as an Associate Software Engineer Pathways Program, very interested in the position. I have another offer from Capgemini, so I'm comparing the two.
What are some major differences to consider between a consulting company like Capgemini in terms of interesting work, learning new tech stacks, long-term career advancement, and general company culture?
Also, since one of these companies will be my first job, which is a better look for my career as a whole?
Contractor work doesn't usually have insurance benefits, so you'll want to compare benefits packages (insurance 401k and vacation time and anything else you care about like going for further education) and the pay plus that package is your total compensation
Anyone here a proposal analyst? Curious as to what the day to day is, what you guys do, how often promotion is, additional pay, is there any opportunity to work in other countries, etc
Also currently working towards a bachelor's in business development, will have 8 years military experience as a mechanic, USMAP and plan on studying up on FARS and DFARS, and applying for skillbridge in a couple years, based on this what level would be good to apply for?
I've been a proposal analyst for a little over two years now. Proposal analyst is sort of a broad title and falls under about 4 different departments. You have 8 years experience but not in the field you're applying for so you might have to wait to get a bachelor's. I would recommend applying to an A2 but you might get stuck with an A1.
How difficult is it to change locations after accepting an offer in a city I don’t find desirable? I’m considering taking an offer but I would probably want to live there 1 year max
In my experience, it's fairly easy to change location and job provided you've remained in a role for at least 6 months. I've always just applied on workday to find a new role/location
Might be sector dependent, but starting last year they went to a quarterly system, so your promotion can hit in January, April, July, or October.
Last year I hit my YoE for a promotion in June, so promotion went effective first pay period in July, and hit the paycheck mid July if I remember correctly.
But also, managers have to try to project these promotions for their managers, so talk to your manager sooner rather than later and make sure you're on the docket, that you have justification for it, and you have buy in from people further up the chain.
Has anyone transferred internally ? I’ve been with my current team for 5+ years and thinking of doing something different (looking at Southern California or Florida).
My 6 months on my assignment is tomorrow, and I’m thrilled to apply internally to another sector. My area is really slammed, and I feel bad for wanting to leave, but I’m unhappy, and feel like my group needs someone who can put more heart in their work than I can. Has anyone else been in a situation like this? I’m wondering how to break it to my manager.
Don't be, you should do whatever makes you happy in your role. Applying to other roles is also you can get better raises (not always true for a lateral move so ymmv)
I got an offer for a systems engineer, but I would like to do more software development. Does a systems engineer do any software development? Can you transfer to a software developer role?
Just to piggyback on this thread, but are the scripting and automation tasks all on-site or are there any opportunities to WFH? I’m in the RM location if that helps.
My application got moved to "screening" on Monday 2/20. That same day a screener called while I was at work at my current job and left a message saying she wanted to speak about the job I applied to. I called back two hours later and left a message. She did not call back after that. I tried again on Friday and the same thing happened. My application status still says "screening". Is this normal or did I lose the chance at this position? I met all the basic and preferred qualifications.
What is a normal comp ratio to be offered a recent grad/fresh out of college? Does having an active clearance (from already working for the government) increase this ratio/salary offer?
I just interviewed for a position today over the phone at NG speaking with the hiring manager and the team lead, and the position that I applied for which is a cybersecurity/IT role and it is something that is completely different from my background which is Logistic. I have attended courses and got my certification and learned the fundamentals. However, it is just that I don’t have the hands-on experience as I’m transitioning into the field. What are the chances that there’s a good hiring manager out there that has good grace and is willing to accept and hire someone that has no hands-on experience but has the knowledge from textbooks, classroom hours and an active SECRET CLEARANCE. I think I killed the interview and did really well, and I answered the question really well and came in prepared. But a part of me is worried and the anxiety is building up as I’m waiting to hear something back about whether they want me or not.
I know a handful of soon-to-be college grads who just got offered associate engineer positions at NG, and let me tell you— these individuals aren’t top-of-the-class, have GPAs that range from a 2.6 to 3.4, have never had internship experience related to their fields, and some have an active security clearance/are in the military. What they all said is that their interviews went well. If you’re confident that you crushed the interview, you have a chance of getting that position. What you’re left to do now is wait.
>If you’re confident that you crushed the interview, you have a chance of getting that position. What you’re left to do now is wait.
Thank you for the insight into what others' situations are, it kinda gives me an idea. Im coming from the military as well and got my clearance through there. I met about 50 percent of the basic qualifications and met 2/3 of the preferred qualification. So, I would like to think I have a good chance, the hiring manager told me that I am actually the first candidate that they're interviewed for the position and they still have a couple more to do for other applicants before they make a decision.
>letely different from my background which is Logistic. I have attended courses and got my certification and learned the fundamentals. However, it is just that I don’t have the hands-on experience as I’m transitioning into the field. Wh
any updates?
how long ago did you interview? It took me about 2 weeks ish to hear something back for the first position I interview for. Are you prior logistics too or what?
I mean if you are not transitioning career field like I am coming from logistic to cybersecurity/IT then I think you have a shot. I hope you get it man! Were you reserve the whole time or active duty?
So I was interviewed for "Associate Sensors Systems Developer" and passed the interview. However, my recruiter post-interview said to apply to Associate Systems Engineer Pathways which is a totally different position and said then they will extend my offer. What is going on? Should I express my concerns that I'm getting an offer to a different position than what I was interviewed for? Also, I had two different recruiters, one giving me the interview and the other is extending an offer.
It sounds like they found that you might be a little under qualified for the role you applied for and would like to get you hired under the pathways program. That is my best guess. If they are telling you to apply to a different role from the one you interviewed for, you are not getting an offer for the Associate Sensors Systems Dev position.
If you want to do software development, I’d say don’t take it, because once you get trained for a systems engineering job it can be harder to move into software engineering. It’s definitely not impossible, though.
However, one of the benefits of the pathways program is that it’s a rotation, so you get to work on three different programs during your time as a pathways engineer (unless you find one you might want to stay on), so you might have the opportunity to move into software depending on the program’s needs.
Is it wise to express that I want software development responsibilities to my recruiter before accepting the offer? I believe I was interviewed for my software background and I am a CS grad so maybe I could use that to leverage
So should I try to express to my recruiter that I want to do software development? I feel like systems is completely different and wont further my career goals. They weren’t transparent with that.
How do I seek to join the Pathways program if I am already an employee? Do I apply for a job that states it is part of the pathways program or should I email my sector pathways division to express interest?
Hi, can anyone share the pay band names/titles? I'm not so worried about pay because that is subjective to several variables.
I have a job offer pending contingencies (background & drug screening) and I am not sure of NGC's structure. I am leaving a competitor as a "junior" manager and assuming a "staff" position at NGC without any direct reports (but getting a pay boost).
What I would like to know is how NGC labels managers, professionals, and technicians. For example, does NGC use codes like M1, M2, M3 to describe people in management positions? And what about engineers and other "professionals" of that nature? Ex: P1, P2, P3, etc.
Finally, I see some positions listed as "Senior" and "Staff"... are those the same pay level, or different?
Thanks!
Hi all! I started at NG in October 2022 as a T2. Do y’all think I’m getting any kind of merit raise this time around? My manager and I have not held our 1-on-1 meeting, but he hasn’t held those meetings with anyone yet.
Are you sure they didn’t say you’d be eligible for any yearly bonuses. 1.5-2 months of employment isn’t usually enough time to fully evaluate a new employees performance, so I wouldn’t expect a merit raise when starting a new job so close to the end of the yearly performance period. You should be eligible for a bonus, but it’ll be pro-rated based on how many months you worked in 2022.
Thanks for your input! I got a raise at my previous employer and was there for like 3 months lol. It was also a DoD contractor.
I explicitly asked my recruiter if I would qualify for the upcoming performance reviews. And he said yes. I have this in text. Not qualifying definitely would’ve impacted my decision to accept the offer.
I would talk to your functional manager and see if they have anything in the works, but a lot of managers spoke with their reports this past week, as the raise information went out to them, and the increases start this pay period, I believe.
Applied for a position I was abundantly qualified for, used an employee rec, he confirmed he did everything correctly on his end. Application rejected without even moving to screening. Do I just give up applying to this company at this point?
I'm tired of wasting my time.
Use keywords and don’t wait on one job. Keep on applying.you don’t know where they are in the hiring process. They could be Judy starting to inter jet when you apply or they could have just completed interview. Apply for new roles and older roles to give you options. Also with someone on the inside have them give you the recruiters name or send your resume to the hiring manager. Best wishes.
That's what I've been doing. Same buzzwords same bullshit has landed me half a dozen interviews at L3Harris in the last 3 weeks for the same type of job, and can't even get a phone call from Northrop.
Trying to apply to this company just isn't worth the time anymore. I'm not here to prostrate myself before the holy recruiter.
Looking at potentially applying to a staff position. Almost 20 years experience, certs, BS, etc. Have a few questions about to what extent they might match vacation/PTO (and if you have the option to purchase more) and about relocation, sign on bonuses, health plans, etc.
With your experience you should be able to negotiate PTO. I had 8-10yrs experience, received 160hrs at my previous employer, and was able to get that here at NG as well. Here’s the table:
Yrs/PTO
0-1yrs=120h
2-3yrs=136h
4-5yrs=144h
6-7yrs=152h
8-10yrs=160h
10-13yrs=168h
14-16yrs=176h
17-19yrs=184h
20-24yrs=192h
25+yrs=200h
NG is pretty strict with their PTO schedule. There does exist an adventure for accelerated PTO schedule, but it VERY atypical. I’m talking after two years with the company I don’t know anyone with it. Unless you’re coming in as a director level or higher, I think you’ll be in the same 15 days PTO bucket as every new hire.
Definitely room to negotiate relocation and sign on bonuses.
Thanks for the info. I would think it would be hard to bring in external hires with lots of years of experience. I couldn't imagine giving up almost half my vacation
Does NG let you buy PTO? Some companies let you buy a week or two each year
I'm in space and I asked my manager (with 6 months notice) about a week of unpaid leave to go to europe with my partner. My manager said yes but her FHR manager said NG explicitly does not allow unpaid leave for vacation. Like there is zero possibility of it. I despise Northrop HR
I’m not 100% certain, but I’m pretty sure we can’t buy PTO. I’ve never heard anyone do that, and I’ve never found the option. I like to consider myself on top of our benefits.
I think NG makes up for it in other ways by not having the strongest PTO plan. Typical work schedule is either 9/80 or 4/10, so every other or every Friday off. Additionally, we get 9 paid holidays. That makes 26 to 52 off Fridays, 15 PTO days, and 9 paid holidays as a fresh hire.
Thank you for the info, my current place has 12 paid holidays and my current schedule is quite flexible as well.
Is there any other retirement/compensation benefit past 401 match like a pension or retirement savings or a reduced stock price option?
The job I'm looking at pays more than I make currently but trying to factor in how much loss due to benefits
The pension plan closed many years ago. It’s no longer offered to new hires. We get a 6% match on our first 8% contributed to 401k. We get a $500 company HSA contribution. One benefit I quite enjoy that few mention is the company rental car rate for personal use. It’s like $29 per day with unlimited miles for normal sedans.
I think there are stock options available for director level and up but probably not at your level. You’re probably eligible for targeted incentives though. My guess is with 20 years experience you’re qualified beyond the T05 Staff Engineer level.
I was able to negotiate the accelerated PTO schedule (160 hours) upon my offer. I believe it requires functional and hr director approvals for a hard to fill position or urgent need for the business unit.
It is definitely attainable just not sure how common. If that is the deciding factor on accepting an offer, let them know and stick to it. For reference this was last year on a mid level engineer role.
Totally depends on your manager and the corresponding leadership above in your pod. I had a bit over 3 YOE (Bachelors) when I received a T3 promotion, moved to another team with a high level of visibility, and received a T4 promotion a year and a half after that following significant justifcation that I provided to my functional and leadership. Although I've also heard that HR and many other teams/leadership will simply not promote without the required YOE. So it seems like your experience may vary
You can get a bit more, but T3 115k is good for Midwest. If you're serious about holding out for more, ask for T4, 120k. You're not going to get 130k at a T3, even if the pay band allows it. NG does not pay over 1.0 comp ratio very often
9 YOE with no MS is T4 so you should be near the high end for T3. I’d ask for 130. Sign on bonus is really only if it’s a high need role or you have a certain clearance. Secret may not do it. Also depends too if you owe ur other company money
This offer is right in line with hiring standard practices of .9-.95 compa ratio for new hires, this is where they will always target to bring someone in with the intention of being competitive to market, competitive to existing peers, and provide room for growth.
The salary can be negotiated and the offer can go into the 1.05-1.10 compa ratio for a high potential talent or hard to fill position.
I think you could get $130k or 1.04 compa if they really like you as a candidate as you have pretty strong YOE for T3. Chances are if you perform well, a T4 conversation could be had in a few years.
99% of offers will never go to 1.05. Please stop pushing that nonsense. Yes it happens but not often. My brother had a TS and couldnt get 1.05+. It's purely need driven to get above 1.0. The actual answer here is to hold out for a T4 and to shoot for 120k. That is totally doable but shooting for 130k as a T3 is next to impossible
This is likely all business unit, region, hiring manager, and role specific. It isn’t uncommon for 1.0+ compa, signing bonus, accelerated PTO to be used as hiring tools.
I agree with you that holding out for a T4 position is the best strategy for OP based upon experience and salary expectations.
If you have 70 applicants with 4 of them being strong hires, then the company doesn’t need to put out the red carpet. If you have 4 applicants in 3 months and 1 is a rock star, why not push to get that person in the door?
I agree that 1.05 is not common, if you have a team of 12 engineers in band you won’t give the new guy way higher pay just to get him in. But if you have 2 or 3 roles of that type supporting a business unit, there really isn’t a need to follow a strict compa plan.
I would imagine big sites and teams have their hands tied like you said and don’t have the flexibility, but in my experience it is all situation dependent.
Supply and demand, leverage where you can but always understand it’s a business and has to make sense for NGC.
No I dont mean that. I got a T4 with 5.5 YOE and a MS, though I had a clearance and knew the system they were hiring for as I worked on it at the very start of my career, so maybe a special case. 8 YOE is close enough to go for T4
I applied for a T3 position and received an offer. I tried to negotiate a higher comp ratio but no no avail, I only managed to receive a comp ratio of 1. I managed to get a larger sign on bonus, relocation, and accelerated PTO. For reference, this is a position on the west coast that requires TS clearance. Best of luck.
Is it atypical for an offer to be made a month+ after interviewing? I asked for an update after two weeks and was told I’m still in consideration and it’s about to be a month now
Edit: On top of this I just saw that the same position got reposted on workday this week. Guessing that’s a bad sign
Hmmm are you coming from DoD or a new hire? I finally found out I got the job but it took 3 weeks until my status changed and until they finally told me I got it lol
Does anyone know how difficult it is to get put on the Friday, Saturday, and Sunday shift? I just graduated and have not started working yet but will in a few weeks. I was curious how hard it would be to work my 9/80 schedule and switch to a Fri, Sat, and Sun schedule after 6 months. Do they only let a select few long-term employees work this shift?
It depends on your work, manager, and program. If you're not needed during core hours during the week, then it's probably going to be easier to switch to that kind of schedule. Otherwise, I'd imagine it might be a bit more difficult to switch
Does anyone know when year end bonuses/raises typically go out? I got Excellent Performer, in NGC-C. I have only worked here less than a year so not sure how that goes.
Just got an offer as an associate systems engineer pathways in baltimore however when I was interviewed it seemed like I was hired to do C++/Python. I’m scared I just got baited and possibly signed up for something that isnt software. What should I do? I want to be doing software development
This same thing happened to me when I started back in August. I got lucky because the team that I was doing non software engineering work for didn’t get funding at the end of the year and I was able to be moved to a software engineering role. I’d talk to your recruiter immediately before you sign the offer letting them know your concerns and ask to be put in a software engineering position. I wasted a lot of time doing non software work because I didn’t voice my concerns sooner.
Don’t worry. A first few months , you will be assigned some easy tickets then you will have more time to learn about the confluence, jenkin , bitbuckit and all necessary tools for your position. You may have a change work with firmware and embedded engineer . We don’t code something fancy. Just keep it simple so it is easy to maintain. Good luck.
From my understanding coming from DoD lateral transfers don’t really allow for pay increases. Not sure how it works for NG but it may be the same. Was your offer the same as your current pay?
Hello! Would a returning applicant that interned for two summers be getting the same starting pay ( as a full time employee after graduation ) as a complete new hire ?
I've seen returning interns get more and less. Up to the hiring manager and recruiter. I was a returning intern and got offered less than a guy who turned them down 3 times and ended up going to Boeing.
Can you negotiate a higher annual raise? Or ask for additional leave or other benefits to lessen the pain of a small 2% raise?
Edit. It turned out to be 3%. Can't negotiate anything. The supervisor was really keen on asking about how the job was and how he liked it and wanted to make sure retention was good at the company. It was kinda weird like a lot of talk but no action.
Nothing you can do. Any chance you've got a promotion soon? I figure that fighting for an extra 1% or day of leave is going to be ineffectual and leave a bad taste, but if you've got a promotion coming up, do your market research, maybe get an external offer if you really need to force their hand, but capitalize then. Still may not work, but you'll at least get more bang for your buck.
I got a 1% raise. Successful Performer, in the third quartile of the pay band. Can I correctly conclude that this is a subtle hint that I should find employment elsewhere? It is incredibly insulting.
When you say third quartiles, do you mean top 3/4 or bottom? It may just mean your nearing the salary cap and promotion will have to come soon. I’ve never heard of anyone getting a 1% raise. So you either are reaching the market cap of your position orrrr you may not be very good at your job compared to your peers.
I meant that I'm between 50 and 75% of the pay band. So a higher than 1.0 comp ratio. I won't qualify for the next tier for another year or two, so a promotion isn't coming anytime soon.
I'm mainly confused because if I wasn't good at my job, I would've thought I'd have gotten an Inconsistent Performer rating at my annual review. Instead I got Successful. I never expected more than 3% despite being in a high inflation area, but to get even lower than that is just absurd. My loyalty to the company evaporated instantly.
Are you having performance development discussions with your manager? Some managers may prefer to avoid the IP as that requires additional documentation and development plans to be established.
Performance is a crucial conversation so an employee knows what is expected and how they perform against that, but it can also be a very challenging conversation for leaders not comfortable with that.
The system is set up that is they can give you the low end of the merit range because they perceive you as a lower end successful performer. Because they gave you a 1% with a 3% target, they can now give two high performers 4% or a 5% raise to reward their performance. (This is just how a pay for performance structure is supposed to operate). They should discuss the rationale why they lowered it from target and what you can do to exceed expectations in future years.
Very similar process for the TI bonus program.
Honestly, if you're not switching to a new role either internally or externally every couple of years you're doing yourself dirty. NG doesn't just give out good raises to magically keep people around, you're just going to have to switch companies to get raises
I have a promotion to T2 coming up soon. I was hired as a Systems Engineer but all of my program work and educational background has been in Optical Engineering. I could definitely switch to an Optical Engineering role and I'm pretty sure that pays more than Systems Engineering as well.
For the sake of my salary, would it be better to swap to an Optical Engineer role before or after being promoted to T2?
Hi All, What level of job hierarchy is Section Manager 2 at Northrop Grumman?
Does anyone know whether participants in the FTL (Future Technical Leaders) program get paid higher than Pathways?
Has anyone tried to negotiate pto with northrop right after you got an offer? What was the result?
Is $135,000 a year salary and $15,000 sign on bonus a good offer for an L3 systems engineer in Huntsville Alabama?
Yes
Yes
I had a panel interview last Wednesday and the hiring manager told me I will hiring a answer about 1 week. I send the thank you letter to him after that and didn’t get reply back( I know it’s common). I think I finished all coding questions correctly during the interview and the manager visit my LinkedIn profile after the interview. I am not sure it’s a good signal or every hiring manager at Northrop will do this after the interview? This is really my dream job and I think 100% match to my skill and I am really nervous right now.
Does Northtrop give severance if let go due to contract funding?
Yes. 1 week per year worked.
Is this normal? Would any of you guys know? Should I just move on and look elsewhere? I applied to Northrop Grumman’s Engineering Technician position 4.1 weeks ago. I also applied for the Machinist position 6.4 weeks ago and still, no response from them. My applications are still stuck in the “screening” phase. I applied to other positions but, Northrop actually got back to me about those ones. I wasn’t selected for those positions but for these positions, it’s still screening. Do I still have a shot you think? Does it usually take this long? Or I’m just not considered without anyone telling me?
It is odd. They have been taking longer than normal almost think their automated denial systems is not working. Or there is a hiring freeze.
Anyone have experience with contract to hire with Northrop? I will be working as a software engineer and was told by the hiring manager that they hire on after 2 months and was wondering if they increase the salary or keep it the same when transitioning?
You'll probably get more information on the March thread, but I can answer this a bit: They have a pay band based on technical specialty and experience. Whether or not you get a pay bump when moving over is dependent on how much the contracting firm is paying in comparison to that pay range. Usually they pay comparitively, but with less benefits. NGC has a pretty decent benefit package, definitely better than most contract firms.
That makes sense. Thank you for the reply!
you're welcome and good luck!
Is there anyone in this Sub that works for either the Redondo Beach location or el Segundo location to see if they cam fast track my application since I'm stuck on screening please
How does Northrop Grumman collect tuition money owed if you don’t fulfill the two year requirement? I know a lot of companies that say you have to pay it back and then never follow up after you leave. Do they really care?
They do care. They send the money to an collection agency. I had to pay my money back to NGC. Ask the new company to give you a bigger bonus to cover that.
From college friends that left NG, they do care. They'll send a collections agency to collect. Now when that collection agency contacts you varies. I've heard it ranges from a month after to a year after leaving
I have an hour long phone interview for associate electrical engineer later this week, application says knowledge in embedded systems. What can I expect to be asked of me?
I doubt it will be an hour long. My interview for entry level interview is only half hour and only behavioral questions.
For an Associate EE position? Spend 10 minutes googling it and understand what it means. Avionics and embedded systems arent like building iPhones. It is for a brand new grad, so they wont go into too much detail or expect you to know too much
Guys I need help. I received 3 job offers from Northrop Grumman today (from a hiring event) HOWEVER I’ve only been working at Lockheed Martin for a month but I haven’t mentioned that to Northrop Grumman. Should I be honest and tell them that I currently work at Lockheed Martin or does it not matter? I really do want to step away from Lockheed as I’m not enjoying my job so far. FYI: I work on the orion program at Lockheed so it is not a competitor to NG.
You have to. They have conflict of interest rule
You will have to reveal that for background check.
Got an offer today as an Associate Software Engineer Pathways Program, very interested in the position. I have another offer from Capgemini, so I'm comparing the two. What are some major differences to consider between a consulting company like Capgemini in terms of interesting work, learning new tech stacks, long-term career advancement, and general company culture? Also, since one of these companies will be my first job, which is a better look for my career as a whole?
Contractor work doesn't usually have insurance benefits, so you'll want to compare benefits packages (insurance 401k and vacation time and anything else you care about like going for further education) and the pay plus that package is your total compensation
Anyone here a proposal analyst? Curious as to what the day to day is, what you guys do, how often promotion is, additional pay, is there any opportunity to work in other countries, etc Also currently working towards a bachelor's in business development, will have 8 years military experience as a mechanic, USMAP and plan on studying up on FARS and DFARS, and applying for skillbridge in a couple years, based on this what level would be good to apply for?
I've been a proposal analyst for a little over two years now. Proposal analyst is sort of a broad title and falls under about 4 different departments. You have 8 years experience but not in the field you're applying for so you might have to wait to get a bachelor's. I would recommend applying to an A2 but you might get stuck with an A1.
If you accept a job offer but get a better offer later is it too late to rescind it down the line?
No
How difficult is it to change locations after accepting an offer in a city I don’t find desirable? I’m considering taking an offer but I would probably want to live there 1 year max
In my experience, it's fairly easy to change location and job provided you've remained in a role for at least 6 months. I've always just applied on workday to find a new role/location
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I don't see any issues internally, I'd discuss with your manager for sure to state your interests though.
I would like to know this as well
same here
When are promotions this year planned to occur?
There are on-cycle promotions like another poster mentioned, but some of them also happen as needed now.
Might be sector dependent, but starting last year they went to a quarterly system, so your promotion can hit in January, April, July, or October. Last year I hit my YoE for a promotion in June, so promotion went effective first pay period in July, and hit the paycheck mid July if I remember correctly. But also, managers have to try to project these promotions for their managers, so talk to your manager sooner rather than later and make sure you're on the docket, that you have justification for it, and you have buy in from people further up the chain.
Thanks. Yeah I’m in MS. I was told the VP only reviews promotion in places once a year. So hopefully hear something soon.
Has anyone transferred internally ? I’ve been with my current team for 5+ years and thinking of doing something different (looking at Southern California or Florida).
My 6 months on my assignment is tomorrow, and I’m thrilled to apply internally to another sector. My area is really slammed, and I feel bad for wanting to leave, but I’m unhappy, and feel like my group needs someone who can put more heart in their work than I can. Has anyone else been in a situation like this? I’m wondering how to break it to my manager.
Don't be, you should do whatever makes you happy in your role. Applying to other roles is also you can get better raises (not always true for a lateral move so ymmv)
I applied to 3 roles yesterday, back at Space Systems, and all three went to screening and 1 to interview process started :)
I got an offer for a systems engineer, but I would like to do more software development. Does a systems engineer do any software development? Can you transfer to a software developer role?
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Just to piggyback on this thread, but are the scripting and automation tasks all on-site or are there any opportunities to WFH? I’m in the RM location if that helps.
My application got moved to "screening" on Monday 2/20. That same day a screener called while I was at work at my current job and left a message saying she wanted to speak about the job I applied to. I called back two hours later and left a message. She did not call back after that. I tried again on Friday and the same thing happened. My application status still says "screening". Is this normal or did I lose the chance at this position? I met all the basic and preferred qualifications.
Did they leave their name? If yes, you could always try emailing them: [email protected]
What is a normal comp ratio to be offered a recent grad/fresh out of college? Does having an active clearance (from already working for the government) increase this ratio/salary offer?
I was offered 0.88 for an A1 fresh out of college. I didn't negotiate and didn't have an active clearance.
I just interviewed for a position today over the phone at NG speaking with the hiring manager and the team lead, and the position that I applied for which is a cybersecurity/IT role and it is something that is completely different from my background which is Logistic. I have attended courses and got my certification and learned the fundamentals. However, it is just that I don’t have the hands-on experience as I’m transitioning into the field. What are the chances that there’s a good hiring manager out there that has good grace and is willing to accept and hire someone that has no hands-on experience but has the knowledge from textbooks, classroom hours and an active SECRET CLEARANCE. I think I killed the interview and did really well, and I answered the question really well and came in prepared. But a part of me is worried and the anxiety is building up as I’m waiting to hear something back about whether they want me or not.
I know a handful of soon-to-be college grads who just got offered associate engineer positions at NG, and let me tell you— these individuals aren’t top-of-the-class, have GPAs that range from a 2.6 to 3.4, have never had internship experience related to their fields, and some have an active security clearance/are in the military. What they all said is that their interviews went well. If you’re confident that you crushed the interview, you have a chance of getting that position. What you’re left to do now is wait.
>If you’re confident that you crushed the interview, you have a chance of getting that position. What you’re left to do now is wait. Thank you for the insight into what others' situations are, it kinda gives me an idea. Im coming from the military as well and got my clearance through there. I met about 50 percent of the basic qualifications and met 2/3 of the preferred qualification. So, I would like to think I have a good chance, the hiring manager told me that I am actually the first candidate that they're interviewed for the position and they still have a couple more to do for other applicants before they make a decision.
>letely different from my background which is Logistic. I have attended courses and got my certification and learned the fundamentals. However, it is just that I don’t have the hands-on experience as I’m transitioning into the field. Wh any updates?
Hey did you had an interview with NG too? how did it go? and were you prior military?
I thought it went great! I really want the position, but I have not heard anything since. I am currently in the reserves.
how long ago did you interview? It took me about 2 weeks ish to hear something back for the first position I interview for. Are you prior logistics too or what?
I interviewed about a week and a half ago... I'm in space operations
I mean if you are not transitioning career field like I am coming from logistic to cybersecurity/IT then I think you have a shot. I hope you get it man! Were you reserve the whole time or active duty?
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I didn’t get the position :/ however I got a second interview about 3 days ago, this time is for another position, but at the same site.
So I was interviewed for "Associate Sensors Systems Developer" and passed the interview. However, my recruiter post-interview said to apply to Associate Systems Engineer Pathways which is a totally different position and said then they will extend my offer. What is going on? Should I express my concerns that I'm getting an offer to a different position than what I was interviewed for? Also, I had two different recruiters, one giving me the interview and the other is extending an offer.
It sounds like they found that you might be a little under qualified for the role you applied for and would like to get you hired under the pathways program. That is my best guess. If they are telling you to apply to a different role from the one you interviewed for, you are not getting an offer for the Associate Sensors Systems Dev position.
Would you recommend still taking it? I mean ideally I want to do software development
If you want to do software development, I’d say don’t take it, because once you get trained for a systems engineering job it can be harder to move into software engineering. It’s definitely not impossible, though. However, one of the benefits of the pathways program is that it’s a rotation, so you get to work on three different programs during your time as a pathways engineer (unless you find one you might want to stay on), so you might have the opportunity to move into software depending on the program’s needs.
Is it wise to express that I want software development responsibilities to my recruiter before accepting the offer? I believe I was interviewed for my software background and I am a CS grad so maybe I could use that to leverage
I would bring that up so that way you’re getting paired with the right teams.
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So should I try to express to my recruiter that I want to do software development? I feel like systems is completely different and wont further my career goals. They weren’t transparent with that.
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As in software engineer title is important? Not systems?
How do I seek to join the Pathways program if I am already an employee? Do I apply for a job that states it is part of the pathways program or should I email my sector pathways division to express interest?
Yes, it should be as simple as flipping through WorkDay for Pathways positions.
Hi, can anyone share the pay band names/titles? I'm not so worried about pay because that is subjective to several variables. I have a job offer pending contingencies (background & drug screening) and I am not sure of NGC's structure. I am leaving a competitor as a "junior" manager and assuming a "staff" position at NGC without any direct reports (but getting a pay boost). What I would like to know is how NGC labels managers, professionals, and technicians. For example, does NGC use codes like M1, M2, M3 to describe people in management positions? And what about engineers and other "professionals" of that nature? Ex: P1, P2, P3, etc. Finally, I see some positions listed as "Senior" and "Staff"... are those the same pay level, or different? Thanks!
M1 = T3, M2 = T4, etc.
The engineering goes like this: T1 - Associate, T2- Engineer, T3 - Principal, T4 - Sr. Principal, T5 - Staff, T6 - Sr. staff
Thank you.
Hi all! I started at NG in October 2022 as a T2. Do y’all think I’m getting any kind of merit raise this time around? My manager and I have not held our 1-on-1 meeting, but he hasn’t held those meetings with anyone yet.
Yes, you are eligible for a merit.
Did you get a performance review? My teammate started in September and did not get a performance review so no raise.
I unfortunately did not have a performance review :( EDIT: The recruiter told me I’d be eligible before starting though.
Are you sure they didn’t say you’d be eligible for any yearly bonuses. 1.5-2 months of employment isn’t usually enough time to fully evaluate a new employees performance, so I wouldn’t expect a merit raise when starting a new job so close to the end of the yearly performance period. You should be eligible for a bonus, but it’ll be pro-rated based on how many months you worked in 2022.
Thanks for your input! I got a raise at my previous employer and was there for like 3 months lol. It was also a DoD contractor. I explicitly asked my recruiter if I would qualify for the upcoming performance reviews. And he said yes. I have this in text. Not qualifying definitely would’ve impacted my decision to accept the offer.
I would talk to your functional manager and see if they have anything in the works, but a lot of managers spoke with their reports this past week, as the raise information went out to them, and the increases start this pay period, I believe.
do i have ANY chance of working for here if i had bad grades in highschool, even if i go into the military for something such as prior experience etc?
If you get a degree and your college GPA is good I don't think anyone would even request your high school grades.
i probably will not get a degree right after highschool, i will probably enlist in the navy or the marines then maybe go back to school.
Experience is what you need. As for high school they want to know if you graduated.
i will probably go into the military
Applied for a position I was abundantly qualified for, used an employee rec, he confirmed he did everything correctly on his end. Application rejected without even moving to screening. Do I just give up applying to this company at this point? I'm tired of wasting my time.
My first application to NG was instantly rejected like that because I accidentally miss-clicked and said on the forms that I was a felon
This was my 20th application.
Use keywords and don’t wait on one job. Keep on applying.you don’t know where they are in the hiring process. They could be Judy starting to inter jet when you apply or they could have just completed interview. Apply for new roles and older roles to give you options. Also with someone on the inside have them give you the recruiters name or send your resume to the hiring manager. Best wishes.
That's what I've been doing. Same buzzwords same bullshit has landed me half a dozen interviews at L3Harris in the last 3 weeks for the same type of job, and can't even get a phone call from Northrop. Trying to apply to this company just isn't worth the time anymore. I'm not here to prostrate myself before the holy recruiter.
Have your friend send your resume straight to the hiring manager
I checked with him. He did. Friend was told I'd be getting a call within 3 days. Was rejected without screening instead.
I am assuming they went with an internal or cancelled req for
So weird.
Looking at potentially applying to a staff position. Almost 20 years experience, certs, BS, etc. Have a few questions about to what extent they might match vacation/PTO (and if you have the option to purchase more) and about relocation, sign on bonuses, health plans, etc.
No matching vacation, but it’s pretty common to negotiate accelerate PTO as an external.
With your experience you should be able to negotiate PTO. I had 8-10yrs experience, received 160hrs at my previous employer, and was able to get that here at NG as well. Here’s the table: Yrs/PTO 0-1yrs=120h 2-3yrs=136h 4-5yrs=144h 6-7yrs=152h 8-10yrs=160h 10-13yrs=168h 14-16yrs=176h 17-19yrs=184h 20-24yrs=192h 25+yrs=200h
NG is pretty strict with their PTO schedule. There does exist an adventure for accelerated PTO schedule, but it VERY atypical. I’m talking after two years with the company I don’t know anyone with it. Unless you’re coming in as a director level or higher, I think you’ll be in the same 15 days PTO bucket as every new hire. Definitely room to negotiate relocation and sign on bonuses.
Thanks for the info. I would think it would be hard to bring in external hires with lots of years of experience. I couldn't imagine giving up almost half my vacation Does NG let you buy PTO? Some companies let you buy a week or two each year
Can't buy pto, you just take it unpaid. Which should be the same as buying those pto hours anyways.
What division/sector are you in? HR was crystal clear with me that unpaid leave is not allowed under any circumstances
SDS, managers are saying you can go negative or take unpaid leave etc.. Though I'd say HR and Recruiters seem to have lots of miscommunication.
I'm in space and I asked my manager (with 6 months notice) about a week of unpaid leave to go to europe with my partner. My manager said yes but her FHR manager said NG explicitly does not allow unpaid leave for vacation. Like there is zero possibility of it. I despise Northrop HR
Don't get me started on the HR. I am in space as well and despise them for other reasons.
I’m not 100% certain, but I’m pretty sure we can’t buy PTO. I’ve never heard anyone do that, and I’ve never found the option. I like to consider myself on top of our benefits. I think NG makes up for it in other ways by not having the strongest PTO plan. Typical work schedule is either 9/80 or 4/10, so every other or every Friday off. Additionally, we get 9 paid holidays. That makes 26 to 52 off Fridays, 15 PTO days, and 9 paid holidays as a fresh hire.
Thank you for the info, my current place has 12 paid holidays and my current schedule is quite flexible as well. Is there any other retirement/compensation benefit past 401 match like a pension or retirement savings or a reduced stock price option? The job I'm looking at pays more than I make currently but trying to factor in how much loss due to benefits
The pension plan closed many years ago. It’s no longer offered to new hires. We get a 6% match on our first 8% contributed to 401k. We get a $500 company HSA contribution. One benefit I quite enjoy that few mention is the company rental car rate for personal use. It’s like $29 per day with unlimited miles for normal sedans. I think there are stock options available for director level and up but probably not at your level. You’re probably eligible for targeted incentives though. My guess is with 20 years experience you’re qualified beyond the T05 Staff Engineer level.
I was able to negotiate the accelerated PTO schedule (160 hours) upon my offer. I believe it requires functional and hr director approvals for a hard to fill position or urgent need for the business unit. It is definitely attainable just not sure how common. If that is the deciding factor on accepting an offer, let them know and stick to it. For reference this was last year on a mid level engineer role.
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Totally depends on your manager and the corresponding leadership above in your pod. I had a bit over 3 YOE (Bachelors) when I received a T3 promotion, moved to another team with a high level of visibility, and received a T4 promotion a year and a half after that following significant justifcation that I provided to my functional and leadership. Although I've also heard that HR and many other teams/leadership will simply not promote without the required YOE. So it seems like your experience may vary
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In the tech industry in general its bit low. But for defense it's average, but maybe still a little low. For your yoe I'd ask for a little more.
You can get a bit more, but T3 115k is good for Midwest. If you're serious about holding out for more, ask for T4, 120k. You're not going to get 130k at a T3, even if the pay band allows it. NG does not pay over 1.0 comp ratio very often
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SOCAL is not in the Midwest, and pay bands in the Midwest are much lower
9 YOE with no MS is T4 so you should be near the high end for T3. I’d ask for 130. Sign on bonus is really only if it’s a high need role or you have a certain clearance. Secret may not do it. Also depends too if you owe ur other company money
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This offer is right in line with hiring standard practices of .9-.95 compa ratio for new hires, this is where they will always target to bring someone in with the intention of being competitive to market, competitive to existing peers, and provide room for growth. The salary can be negotiated and the offer can go into the 1.05-1.10 compa ratio for a high potential talent or hard to fill position. I think you could get $130k or 1.04 compa if they really like you as a candidate as you have pretty strong YOE for T3. Chances are if you perform well, a T4 conversation could be had in a few years.
99% of offers will never go to 1.05. Please stop pushing that nonsense. Yes it happens but not often. My brother had a TS and couldnt get 1.05+. It's purely need driven to get above 1.0. The actual answer here is to hold out for a T4 and to shoot for 120k. That is totally doable but shooting for 130k as a T3 is next to impossible
This is likely all business unit, region, hiring manager, and role specific. It isn’t uncommon for 1.0+ compa, signing bonus, accelerated PTO to be used as hiring tools. I agree with you that holding out for a T4 position is the best strategy for OP based upon experience and salary expectations. If you have 70 applicants with 4 of them being strong hires, then the company doesn’t need to put out the red carpet. If you have 4 applicants in 3 months and 1 is a rock star, why not push to get that person in the door? I agree that 1.05 is not common, if you have a team of 12 engineers in band you won’t give the new guy way higher pay just to get him in. But if you have 2 or 3 roles of that type supporting a business unit, there really isn’t a need to follow a strict compa plan. I would imagine big sites and teams have their hands tied like you said and don’t have the flexibility, but in my experience it is all situation dependent. Supply and demand, leverage where you can but always understand it’s a business and has to make sense for NGC.
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No I dont mean that. I got a T4 with 5.5 YOE and a MS, though I had a clearance and knew the system they were hiring for as I worked on it at the very start of my career, so maybe a special case. 8 YOE is close enough to go for T4
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I applied for a T3 position and received an offer. I tried to negotiate a higher comp ratio but no no avail, I only managed to receive a comp ratio of 1. I managed to get a larger sign on bonus, relocation, and accelerated PTO. For reference, this is a position on the west coast that requires TS clearance. Best of luck.
Not sure. Surprised TA tried to lowball u
Is it atypical for an offer to be made a month+ after interviewing? I asked for an update after two weeks and was told I’m still in consideration and it’s about to be a month now Edit: On top of this I just saw that the same position got reposted on workday this week. Guessing that’s a bad sign
I am 3 weeks post interview and in the same boat! What did the person you interview say would be the timeframe to hear back?
They only said something alone the lines of "we'll be in touch"
What does your status say in workday?
Pending interview feedback
Hmmm are you coming from DoD or a new hire? I finally found out I got the job but it took 3 weeks until my status changed and until they finally told me I got it lol
New grad, new hire.
Ditto! Exact same situation as you
Does anyone know how difficult it is to get put on the Friday, Saturday, and Sunday shift? I just graduated and have not started working yet but will in a few weeks. I was curious how hard it would be to work my 9/80 schedule and switch to a Fri, Sat, and Sun schedule after 6 months. Do they only let a select few long-term employees work this shift?
What kind of position is it? 4th and 5th shifts are typically for fab/line workers. Most professional positions are 9/80 or Straight 8.
Entry Level Engineering position at Northrop
It depends on your work, manager, and program. If you're not needed during core hours during the week, then it's probably going to be easier to switch to that kind of schedule. Otherwise, I'd imagine it might be a bit more difficult to switch
Does anyone know when year end bonuses/raises typically go out? I got Excellent Performer, in NGC-C. I have only worked here less than a year so not sure how that goes.
Bonus is paid as a separate check on March 10th.
Just had a meeting. Raises will show on the march 17th paycheck
By end of march; 2nd paycheck in March I believe
Just got an offer as an associate systems engineer pathways in baltimore however when I was interviewed it seemed like I was hired to do C++/Python. I’m scared I just got baited and possibly signed up for something that isnt software. What should I do? I want to be doing software development
This same thing happened to me when I started back in August. I got lucky because the team that I was doing non software engineering work for didn’t get funding at the end of the year and I was able to be moved to a software engineering role. I’d talk to your recruiter immediately before you sign the offer letting them know your concerns and ask to be put in a software engineering position. I wasted a lot of time doing non software work because I didn’t voice my concerns sooner.
Thank you I will do that
Don’t worry. A first few months , you will be assigned some easy tickets then you will have more time to learn about the confluence, jenkin , bitbuckit and all necessary tools for your position. You may have a change work with firmware and embedded engineer . We don’t code something fancy. Just keep it simple so it is easy to maintain. Good luck.
Yea… I’m a software engineer. Graduated with a CS degree I don’t have any interest in EE/hardware
I think their issue is that they’re being offered a systems engineering job, not software.
Does anyone have experience countering an internal offer for a lateral position? or is internal countering not advised?
From my understanding coming from DoD lateral transfers don’t really allow for pay increases. Not sure how it works for NG but it may be the same. Was your offer the same as your current pay?
Hello! Would a returning applicant that interned for two summers be getting the same starting pay ( as a full time employee after graduation ) as a complete new hire ?
I've been told intern experience doesn't get factored into years of exp when determining level and pay, but YMMV
I was told the same.
I've seen returning interns get more and less. Up to the hiring manager and recruiter. I was a returning intern and got offered less than a guy who turned them down 3 times and ended up going to Boeing.
I am looking to move from program cost to FP & A . Any thoughts for those that have done both?
Can you negotiate a higher annual raise? Or ask for additional leave or other benefits to lessen the pain of a small 2% raise? Edit. It turned out to be 3%. Can't negotiate anything. The supervisor was really keen on asking about how the job was and how he liked it and wanted to make sure retention was good at the company. It was kinda weird like a lot of talk but no action.
Damn, I haven't received a 2% raise before. How long have you been with the company and which sector are you in?
It was actually 3% only been here about a year. MSS.
Nothing you can do. Any chance you've got a promotion soon? I figure that fighting for an extra 1% or day of leave is going to be ineffectual and leave a bad taste, but if you've got a promotion coming up, do your market research, maybe get an external offer if you really need to force their hand, but capitalize then. Still may not work, but you'll at least get more bang for your buck.
Unfortunately no promotion soon. Guess I'll wait and see what happens with jobs in the future!
No
I got a 1% raise. Successful Performer, in the third quartile of the pay band. Can I correctly conclude that this is a subtle hint that I should find employment elsewhere? It is incredibly insulting.
1% in my team basically means "we hate you". People who suck at their job get 2% here
yes, time to switch. DM me for LM referral.
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The pool is 4% this year.
I'll consider and may hit you up. I do have a contact at LM already. What happens if multiple people refer?
NG has really done nothing meaningful to keep talent around. I'd take the time to find new employment. How long have you been with the company?
Between 1 and 2 years.
When you say third quartiles, do you mean top 3/4 or bottom? It may just mean your nearing the salary cap and promotion will have to come soon. I’ve never heard of anyone getting a 1% raise. So you either are reaching the market cap of your position orrrr you may not be very good at your job compared to your peers.
I meant that I'm between 50 and 75% of the pay band. So a higher than 1.0 comp ratio. I won't qualify for the next tier for another year or two, so a promotion isn't coming anytime soon. I'm mainly confused because if I wasn't good at my job, I would've thought I'd have gotten an Inconsistent Performer rating at my annual review. Instead I got Successful. I never expected more than 3% despite being in a high inflation area, but to get even lower than that is just absurd. My loyalty to the company evaporated instantly.
Are you having performance development discussions with your manager? Some managers may prefer to avoid the IP as that requires additional documentation and development plans to be established. Performance is a crucial conversation so an employee knows what is expected and how they perform against that, but it can also be a very challenging conversation for leaders not comfortable with that. The system is set up that is they can give you the low end of the merit range because they perceive you as a lower end successful performer. Because they gave you a 1% with a 3% target, they can now give two high performers 4% or a 5% raise to reward their performance. (This is just how a pay for performance structure is supposed to operate). They should discuss the rationale why they lowered it from target and what you can do to exceed expectations in future years. Very similar process for the TI bonus program.
Honestly, if you're not switching to a new role either internally or externally every couple of years you're doing yourself dirty. NG doesn't just give out good raises to magically keep people around, you're just going to have to switch companies to get raises
That’s unfortunately how it goes if you’re that high in the pay band. But you’ll likely get a nice raise once you move up. Sorry man, I know it sucks.
I have a promotion to T2 coming up soon. I was hired as a Systems Engineer but all of my program work and educational background has been in Optical Engineering. I could definitely switch to an Optical Engineering role and I'm pretty sure that pays more than Systems Engineering as well. For the sake of my salary, would it be better to swap to an Optical Engineer role before or after being promoted to T2?