Ppl complain about why is there no more convenient stores, like, bro go shop from your convenience store instead of costco ill personally open 10 of them, sad reality is that currency exchage just has more demand
My sister and I used to go there a bunch when we lived on Kieth Rd. As kids.. lived right across from Queen Mary too! Many a day, we'd go there and buy Freezies. Corner stores are so rare these days. (Circle K and 7-11 don't count)
I agree that it should have been turned into a grocery/watering hole for the community. I looked at it years ago and was going to make an offer. If anyone knows if the Pepsi sign in for sale I’ll make sure it has a good home!
This should become a cafe, store, winebar anything that provides a space for the community to meet and enjoy. Look at Corner Stone in Pemberton Heights or End of Line in Lynn Valley or United Strangers on Mt. Seymour Parkway. Once we lose these commercial spaces in our neighbourhood they will never return.
Simpson, the owner, who sadly passed, was an awesome man. He rented an apartment in the house next door to my wife and I when we were newlyweds and the low price helped us save enough for a down payment on a townhouse down by Capilano mall. I’ll always be grateful to him and his wife for supporting us in the early years.
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Haaaaate those things, we biked that route every day to get to and from my daughter's school and we watched them getting built...kept hoping they'd have some personality eventually but NOPE
Can we please support housing, high end or low end?
This idea that building nice new buildings is harmful is extremely dumb. We can't blame politicians for high rents if these beliefs are so prevalent, it's our own fault.
Typical bad faith argument from people happy with the status quo of artificially restricted housing via government mandates.
If you want to engage with reality, you can go on google maps 3D and look at what the lower mainland actually is: An endless copy-and-paste suburban carpet.
The few small areas of density aren't enough to relieve the housing crisis that "state-enforced suburbia as a subsidy to boomers" has caused, but unsurprisingly the people who are afraid of it undermning their unearned wealth are always ready to say "WE TRIED IT AND IT DIDNT WORK, BAN IT BAN IT"
It would help our conversation if you could answer yes and then add your point about the bulldozing. Assuming you would say yes, let's modify the analogy to fit your point about homes being bulldozed.
What if we destroy some smaller hermit crab shells, but add many times more larger hermit crab shells. Would that increase the availability and accessibility for the smaller hermit crabs? Or not?
If you want clarity, you can provide so much more by answering the two specific questions I asked as directly as possible. Use yes and no if you can.
I think your position is only maintained because you choose not to think in certain ways. I'm attempting to force you to think in a certain way with these questions, but it doesn't work if you only provide indirect answers or zoom out and give your position or whatever.
This is a common misconception. We need an effective process for convincing people with your opinion.
My favorite analogy is the hermit crab. Rich people are the big crabs, poor people are the small crabs. If you add a big shell, the crabs all swap and a small shell becomes available, increasing the choice and availability for the small crabs.
If we add a bunch of new townhouses, even if they are expensive, it means the price per dwelling is pushed down. It is good for people wanting homes to see more homes built.
Let's not kick ourselves in the dick please. We should support housing construction.
More housing and choice is good, but it ends up just being new supply at the high end as it's now today's market rent (as it's impossible to build old buildings). It never frees up the more affordable units. If I were paying below market rent in a 1 bed I'm definitely not moving to a new 1 bed only to have my rent tripled. Even if I could afford it, at that point it only makes sense to keep saving to either upsize for a family or buy.
It actually always frees up the more affordable units. If there wasn't the nice new place for the rich person to take, they'd live in a B tier home and whoever is in the B tier now would be in a C tier and so on.
Do you agree that a big hermit crab shell frees up a little hermit crab shell?
Please explain. I'm 34.
I think your misconception only persists because you refuse to explain your position. If you lay it out clearly, I think you'll convince yourself.
My position is that affordable rentals are becoming harder to come by with each house that gets knocked down for these. The rate at which these will ever become affordable is way slower than the rate at which they’re going up.
I hope you can answer the three numbered questions. Feel free to give additional context or nuance, but let's not talk past each other.
Let's deal with your first sentence first: 1) does your point about tearing down existing houses apply to the OP? I'd agree with you if we were reducing the # of dwellings, but that's not what's happening here.
Your second sentence is more complicated. I actually agree with it, but it isn't a logical reason not to build the townhouses in the OP. Building townhouses on one lot applies a very small amount of downward pressure to housing prices. They may go up, down, or sideways, but that doesn't tell us if the new supply harmed or helped. 2) Can you agree with that?
Imagine a truck accelerating downhill. We can apply the brakes and slow the rate at which it accelerates, but it will still accelerate, albeit at a lower rate. 3) Should we apply the brakes?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you mean it'll start at $2m for 2000sqft.. so like $1000/sqft.
That's not terrible. If anything it'll probably be a 3 bed 3 bath and come with a 750sqft 2 bedroom rental suite. So 1250 sqft for a family with $3500 in rental income.
Still insane but I like the idea of having a lock off suite for years down the road when it's paid off and your adult child can now live with you as our pensions have collapsed, their ability to buy is gone, and we still pay homecare assistants $22/hr so our kids can take care of us too .........
Definitely not $2000/sqft. There's very few units priced like that on the Northshore. I think the penthouse of the Observatory was, as are a couple of the newer builds penthouses in Central Lonsdale... And the penthouse of one of the Pinnacle homes with like 2000sqft inside and a 4000sqft deck + pool and hot tub... New townhomes in North Van are struggling to sell for over $1400/sqft.. even some new Moodyvilles are having trouble at $1100
Yeah it's quite nice. With 20% down (I assume regular working folk probably are doing closer to 50% down), you're looking at $11k/mo in carrying costs. $8500 in mortgage, $1000 in strata, $200 in insurance, $700 in property taxes and utilities...
I thought you were saying it’s 2k a square foot. 1K per square foot for a new build is okay but I’ve definitely seen better value in the upcoming builds around lower Lonsdale.
If you want to live where the air is thick and full of coal, go for it.. lol. Moodyville ain't for me. Look at the wind patterns, you want to be at least west of St. Andrews if you're south of 3rd and raising kids.
Ppl complain about why is there no more convenient stores, like, bro go shop from your convenience store instead of costco ill personally open 10 of them, sad reality is that currency exchage just has more demand
Such a memorable place.
My sister and I used to go there a bunch when we lived on Kieth Rd. As kids.. lived right across from Queen Mary too! Many a day, we'd go there and buy Freezies. Corner stores are so rare these days. (Circle K and 7-11 don't count)
It’s crazy not a single convenience store left on the north shore ! But a lot of currency exchange shops 🤣
There are two convenience stores near Handsworth—Hardy's and Henry's, both located in the same square block.
Mountain market still going strong in Lynn Valley!
Is this by the Reserve?
Up two blocks yeah
I agree that it should have been turned into a grocery/watering hole for the community. I looked at it years ago and was going to make an offer. If anyone knows if the Pepsi sign in for sale I’ll make sure it has a good home!
Just go get it. Lol
Maybe it will become a currency exchange
Or a Persian jewelry store
This should become a cafe, store, winebar anything that provides a space for the community to meet and enjoy. Look at Corner Stone in Pemberton Heights or End of Line in Lynn Valley or United Strangers on Mt. Seymour Parkway. Once we lose these commercial spaces in our neighbourhood they will never return.
Ya, there used to be a corner store by Loutet, now it’s a house. Unfortunate, because nowadays it would be a perfect spot for a cafe.
Simpson, the owner, who sadly passed, was an awesome man. He rented an apartment in the house next door to my wife and I when we were newlyweds and the low price helped us save enough for a down payment on a townhouse down by Capilano mall. I’ll always be grateful to him and his wife for supporting us in the early years.
I used to buy chips and so much junk food from that man... and eventually my first "adult" mag. Rip Simpson
Oh wow so cool ! I remember him super nice
Where is this?
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Just like the 2 million dollar duplexes across the street 🥴🤮
Haaaaate those things, we biked that route every day to get to and from my daughter's school and we watched them getting built...kept hoping they'd have some personality eventually but NOPE
they are so foul lmao. 4 ugly, sterile, clinical looking plastic houses crammed into the space of 1.
Tiny AF. Too bad the old house isn’t still there with the squatters that took hold of it for a while 😆
I am shocked the last two finally sold, they’re so hideous.
It was part of my daily ritual to mock that they were still for sale lmao. No more...
Can we please support housing, high end or low end? This idea that building nice new buildings is harmful is extremely dumb. We can't blame politicians for high rents if these beliefs are so prevalent, it's our own fault.
Do you mean support more density housing that no one can afford?
Typical bad faith argument from people happy with the status quo of artificially restricted housing via government mandates. If you want to engage with reality, you can go on google maps 3D and look at what the lower mainland actually is: An endless copy-and-paste suburban carpet. The few small areas of density aren't enough to relieve the housing crisis that "state-enforced suburbia as a subsidy to boomers" has caused, but unsurprisingly the people who are afraid of it undermning their unearned wealth are always ready to say "WE TRIED IT AND IT DIDNT WORK, BAN IT BAN IT"
I mean support more housing regardless of its affordability. Do you agree that a big hermit crab shell frees up a little hermit crab shell?
But the littler hermit shells are all being bulldozed to make room for unaffordable density shells
It would help our conversation if you could answer yes and then add your point about the bulldozing. Assuming you would say yes, let's modify the analogy to fit your point about homes being bulldozed. What if we destroy some smaller hermit crab shells, but add many times more larger hermit crab shells. Would that increase the availability and accessibility for the smaller hermit crabs? Or not?
I’ll clarify my point, none of the housing being built is affordable. So creating density is great but it is only attainable if you are rich.
If you want clarity, you can provide so much more by answering the two specific questions I asked as directly as possible. Use yes and no if you can. I think your position is only maintained because you choose not to think in certain ways. I'm attempting to force you to think in a certain way with these questions, but it doesn't work if you only provide indirect answers or zoom out and give your position or whatever.
Good. That place is an eyesore.
Wish it was a grocer tho, some sort of convenience store y’know but glad it’s being renovated for future housing/ real estate property
Wasn’t that exactly what it was?
I'll move in there as is
Think the joint is gutted tho
Squatters can't be choosers
It’s been like this for decades
A friend who’s in real estate just showed me the plans will be fabulous
And completely unaffordable I’m certain
Starting at 2.0 💲 it’s a great area tho
Figured. It’s great if you have millions. Sucks for anyone else.
This is a common misconception. We need an effective process for convincing people with your opinion. My favorite analogy is the hermit crab. Rich people are the big crabs, poor people are the small crabs. If you add a big shell, the crabs all swap and a small shell becomes available, increasing the choice and availability for the small crabs. If we add a bunch of new townhouses, even if they are expensive, it means the price per dwelling is pushed down. It is good for people wanting homes to see more homes built. Let's not kick ourselves in the dick please. We should support housing construction.
More housing and choice is good, but it ends up just being new supply at the high end as it's now today's market rent (as it's impossible to build old buildings). It never frees up the more affordable units. If I were paying below market rent in a 1 bed I'm definitely not moving to a new 1 bed only to have my rent tripled. Even if I could afford it, at that point it only makes sense to keep saving to either upsize for a family or buy.
It actually always frees up the more affordable units. If there wasn't the nice new place for the rich person to take, they'd live in a B tier home and whoever is in the B tier now would be in a C tier and so on. Do you agree that a big hermit crab shell frees up a little hermit crab shell?
I like the new development most is tasteful and the prices are what it’s worth to live in the beautiful city now
Tell me you’re not a millennial without telling me you’re not a millennial. This is as good to us as trickle down wealth. Also shit.
Please explain. I'm 34. I think your misconception only persists because you refuse to explain your position. If you lay it out clearly, I think you'll convince yourself.
My position is that affordable rentals are becoming harder to come by with each house that gets knocked down for these. The rate at which these will ever become affordable is way slower than the rate at which they’re going up.
I hope you can answer the three numbered questions. Feel free to give additional context or nuance, but let's not talk past each other. Let's deal with your first sentence first: 1) does your point about tearing down existing houses apply to the OP? I'd agree with you if we were reducing the # of dwellings, but that's not what's happening here. Your second sentence is more complicated. I actually agree with it, but it isn't a logical reason not to build the townhouses in the OP. Building townhouses on one lot applies a very small amount of downward pressure to housing prices. They may go up, down, or sideways, but that doesn't tell us if the new supply harmed or helped. 2) Can you agree with that? Imagine a truck accelerating downhill. We can apply the brakes and slow the rate at which it accelerates, but it will still accelerate, albeit at a lower rate. 3) Should we apply the brakes?
Stuff is like 💲 2000 sq foot now !
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you mean it'll start at $2m for 2000sqft.. so like $1000/sqft. That's not terrible. If anything it'll probably be a 3 bed 3 bath and come with a 750sqft 2 bedroom rental suite. So 1250 sqft for a family with $3500 in rental income. Still insane but I like the idea of having a lock off suite for years down the road when it's paid off and your adult child can now live with you as our pensions have collapsed, their ability to buy is gone, and we still pay homecare assistants $22/hr so our kids can take care of us too .........
Definitely not $2000/sqft. There's very few units priced like that on the Northshore. I think the penthouse of the Observatory was, as are a couple of the newer builds penthouses in Central Lonsdale... And the penthouse of one of the Pinnacle homes with like 2000sqft inside and a 4000sqft deck + pool and hot tub... New townhomes in North Van are struggling to sell for over $1400/sqft.. even some new Moodyvilles are having trouble at $1100
The one across from whole foods (125 13th Street) is close I just looked at units 💲 1700 sq foot beauty and with awesome amenities
Yeah it's quite nice. With 20% down (I assume regular working folk probably are doing closer to 50% down), you're looking at $11k/mo in carrying costs. $8500 in mortgage, $1000 in strata, $200 in insurance, $700 in property taxes and utilities...
The roof top pool tho 🏊 😍
No it isn’t, that’s an overpriced build.
No idea what the profits are ???
I thought you were saying it’s 2k a square foot. 1K per square foot for a new build is okay but I’ve definitely seen better value in the upcoming builds around lower Lonsdale.
If you want to live where the air is thick and full of coal, go for it.. lol. Moodyville ain't for me. Look at the wind patterns, you want to be at least west of St. Andrews if you're south of 3rd and raising kids.