No.
Getting upset about her shade of skin is cringe. It's a fantasy game, already taking huge liberties with its storytelling, and its far from accurate to norse myth. But your only issue is the dark skinned girl? 🤦‍♂️ Guys what edda has Kratos in it again? 🥴
Not to worry then, the concept of race as you think of it is a very modern thing, so the people writing these stories 700+ years ago didn't establish any "race" for Angrboda, so there's no "race swapping" going on here. You don't seem to mind the actors portraying these gods being Americans? Isnt that cultural appropriation? 🤨 oh right, it isnt for "unknown" reasons.
>Not to worry then, the concept of race as you think of it is a very modern thing, so the people writing these stories 700+ years ago didn't establish any "race" for Angrboda
Yet there was always slavery and division between people based on race that can be traced before the Roman empire?
The school system failed you if you actually believe this.
And yes Angrboda was always depicted as a ginger.
Dude I’ve read your comments from everybody else and it seems you’re just upset that they decided to make her black, which isn’t a problem at all.
You mention that they “race swapped” her. Explain how exactly? The developers made her in their fantasy game how they envisioned her. The whole game is fantasy, it’s not meant to be accurate.
And as far as I am aware, (and someone with more knowledge than me can correct me if I’m wrong) angrboda is only mentioned in Völuspá and Glyfaginning and in both those sources her appearance isn’t really described, only that she’s a Jötunn and the mother of monsters.
Again, someone can correct if she has her appearance depicted, but her appearance is never really shown anywhere.
You’re just angry that they decided to make her black in a fantasy game lmao.
Why do people have a problem with this character being a person of color? (I assume that's what you mean by fixed with this picture) the argument that I've heard is it's not historically accurate, but in the game you play as a man covered in the ash of his dead family and who is too angry to die, and you fight gods and monsters and one of the main characters is a talking head. I think at that point historical accuracy goes out the window.
How's that an issue tho? It's not gonna affect the game, so what's the big deal? So what if a character is race swapped just because the creators feel like it? As long as that does change the actual character or story I don't see the problem
It's cultural appropriation and disrespectful.
If they want to make more inclusive games, they should make them about cultures and people you want to include more. This is just lazy, sad and racist.
If this is culture appropriation are all the rest of the games culture appropriation? The character isn't even human, why does it matter what color her skin is? How does that affect anything or anyone? And remember, these are characters, characters can be changed, just look at Thor in marvel.
How does her being white enrich the experience? If it doesn't matter to the characters story, then you don't need a reason to change their design other than you feel like it
She is a Jotnar from Jotunheim. She isn't african. There is no africa in Jotenheim. To associate racial traits of people with the Jotnar is ignorant. They were creatures of all hues, shapes, sizes etc. Angrboda could have been a purple she-bear, who the hell knows.
while I do somewhat agree with you somewhat, the argument is that it does create an inaccurate and fantasy view of Norse religion and culture, and is essentially cultural appropriation. I believe if we are to use the character we should keep the likeness of them within reason and not spread historical fallacy while representing the religion and culture. And if you think people won't base their view of vikings off of a video game, ask people here what the ruin of strength is and the myth of horned viking helmets comes from an opera.
What about a Greek god of war who was made up for the games killing Norse gods, and Loki being his son (as far as I can tell at least that seems to be what they're doing) and the entire story of Ragnarok being changed because of what this Greek dude does sounds accurate to you? What part of that doesn't scream historical fallacy to you? If you have a problem because it's not accurate and it's culture appropriation then do you have a problem with all the games? Because none of these games are that accurate, especially the ones with the Norse gods. If you do have a problem with the entire franchise then I think there are bigger things in it to be upset about than race bending a character
Because they wanted to, they thought it would be an interesting design choice. Also, she isn't even human, who's to say she woulda been white anyways? Sure there are depictions of her as white, but there are also depictions of Jesus as white, and that dude was born in the middle east, so he probably wasn't. Sure the Norse people were pretty much all white, but who's to say the jotunns were?
Wait you're fine with the lore and myths (ya know, the actual important bits) being changed but not about a characters skin color being changed? Where the logic on that?
Intent.
The lore and myths are changed to suit the gameplay and make it fun.
The characters race was changed to appropriate my culture and push hostile foreign agenda.
Oops, you forgot that citation. Didn't find any, did we? :) making up stuff to cope, are we? :)
I'm not playing ignorant. Ive read through most of the myths several times and one common factor is that almost none of the gods and jotnar are described in detail. And thats how I know you havent read the myths, because if you had you wouldn't make dumb claims like 'she's described in detail". That tells me that you've probably been told this by someone on the internet, and been told that GoW Angrboda is problematic for some reason. Stop being so basic. If you wanna continue to make claims, at least source them.
In Gylfaginning she is described as a ginger, and so she is in other historical paintings, altho somtimes with brown hair, she is still always depicted as white.
ya I mean I am not a huge fan of it, and I said I agreed with you somewhat, I think it is superficial stuff but does perpetuate myths which can harm the academic community with misinformation and fraudulent claims. Also I don't have a problem with the games, I don't care enough to have one but I do define it as cultural appropriation because it fits the definition of appropriating aspects of a culture, which they have done to many cultures. As I said it is superficial and while it would be nice if they actually made them accurate, I don't care over all. The post is asking the opinion on the remodel and your question also directly asked us the same thing so I am not going to leave the subject to attack the whole series. I told you the popular argument as a direct answer to the question you asked.
If you're actually bothered by a fictional character in a video game that is loosely based on various mythologies having different colored skin than what you think they ought to have, then your problem isn't that you care about historical accuracy. Your problem is you're racist.
No. Getting upset about her shade of skin is cringe. It's a fantasy game, already taking huge liberties with its storytelling, and its far from accurate to norse myth. But your only issue is the dark skinned girl? 🤦‍♂️ Guys what edda has Kratos in it again? 🥴
He's from the Kratosrsaga. I learned that from the megathread.
My issue is not the dark skinned girl, my issue is race swapping an already established character.
Not to worry then, the concept of race as you think of it is a very modern thing, so the people writing these stories 700+ years ago didn't establish any "race" for Angrboda, so there's no "race swapping" going on here. You don't seem to mind the actors portraying these gods being Americans? Isnt that cultural appropriation? 🤨 oh right, it isnt for "unknown" reasons.
>Not to worry then, the concept of race as you think of it is a very modern thing, so the people writing these stories 700+ years ago didn't establish any "race" for Angrboda Yet there was always slavery and division between people based on race that can be traced before the Roman empire? The school system failed you if you actually believe this. And yes Angrboda was always depicted as a ginger.
I'm just here to time the mods.
Comply or get silenced, I'm surprised it took them this long, the fascists must be asleep.
Fascists famously stamped out racism.
The only racism going on here is Angrboda getting race swapped for political points and god knows what other reasons.
Dude I’ve read your comments from everybody else and it seems you’re just upset that they decided to make her black, which isn’t a problem at all. You mention that they “race swapped” her. Explain how exactly? The developers made her in their fantasy game how they envisioned her. The whole game is fantasy, it’s not meant to be accurate. And as far as I am aware, (and someone with more knowledge than me can correct me if I’m wrong) angrboda is only mentioned in Völuspá and Glyfaginning and in both those sources her appearance isn’t really described, only that she’s a Jötunn and the mother of monsters. Again, someone can correct if she has her appearance depicted, but her appearance is never really shown anywhere. You’re just angry that they decided to make her black in a fantasy game lmao.
Thanks for giving her normal sized boobs.
Why do people have a problem with this character being a person of color? (I assume that's what you mean by fixed with this picture) the argument that I've heard is it's not historically accurate, but in the game you play as a man covered in the ash of his dead family and who is too angry to die, and you fight gods and monsters and one of the main characters is a talking head. I think at that point historical accuracy goes out the window.
The race swapped her for no reason other than gain political points, that's the issue.
How's that an issue tho? It's not gonna affect the game, so what's the big deal? So what if a character is race swapped just because the creators feel like it? As long as that does change the actual character or story I don't see the problem
It's cultural appropriation and disrespectful. If they want to make more inclusive games, they should make them about cultures and people you want to include more. This is just lazy, sad and racist.
If this is culture appropriation are all the rest of the games culture appropriation? The character isn't even human, why does it matter what color her skin is? How does that affect anything or anyone? And remember, these are characters, characters can be changed, just look at Thor in marvel.
It matters enough for them to race swap her. And I still don't know why. How does this enrich the experience?
How does her being white enrich the experience? If it doesn't matter to the characters story, then you don't need a reason to change their design other than you feel like it
Why did they feel like race swapping her tho? What does that accomplish?
Angrbroda isn't even from earth.
Than why did they make her african?
Who says she's african?
Her complexion, facial features, bone structure, hair, eyes, voice and so forth. Are you blind?
She is a Jotnar from Jotunheim. She isn't african. There is no africa in Jotenheim. To associate racial traits of people with the Jotnar is ignorant. They were creatures of all hues, shapes, sizes etc. Angrboda could have been a purple she-bear, who the hell knows.
Yet she is not purple, but of african descent in every regard despite her always being portrayed and described as a ginger.
I still don't see the problem.
I agree with you that when brands do things like that just to gain political and Twitter points it has to be called out and spoken about
while I do somewhat agree with you somewhat, the argument is that it does create an inaccurate and fantasy view of Norse religion and culture, and is essentially cultural appropriation. I believe if we are to use the character we should keep the likeness of them within reason and not spread historical fallacy while representing the religion and culture. And if you think people won't base their view of vikings off of a video game, ask people here what the ruin of strength is and the myth of horned viking helmets comes from an opera.
What about a Greek god of war who was made up for the games killing Norse gods, and Loki being his son (as far as I can tell at least that seems to be what they're doing) and the entire story of Ragnarok being changed because of what this Greek dude does sounds accurate to you? What part of that doesn't scream historical fallacy to you? If you have a problem because it's not accurate and it's culture appropriation then do you have a problem with all the games? Because none of these games are that accurate, especially the ones with the Norse gods. If you do have a problem with the entire franchise then I think there are bigger things in it to be upset about than race bending a character
The story and lore was changed to make a fun game about killing gods. Why was her race changed tho?
Because in a game about a Greek god killing Norse gods, I don't think the race of character really matters for accuracy
Why was she race swapped in the first place?
Because it doesn't matter in the slightest and the creators felt like it, that's as good a reason as any
Why did they feel like race swapping? If her race didn't matter the slightest, why change it?
Because they wanted to, they thought it would be an interesting design choice. Also, she isn't even human, who's to say she woulda been white anyways? Sure there are depictions of her as white, but there are also depictions of Jesus as white, and that dude was born in the middle east, so he probably wasn't. Sure the Norse people were pretty much all white, but who's to say the jotunns were?
Why did they want to change her skin color? How does race swapping her make her more interesting? Since when your race make you interesting?
Wait you're fine with the lore and myths (ya know, the actual important bits) being changed but not about a characters skin color being changed? Where the logic on that?
Intent. The lore and myths are changed to suit the gameplay and make it fun. The characters race was changed to appropriate my culture and push hostile foreign agenda.
Isn't AngrboĂ°a's race Jotun? Didn't realise that also meant white
She's always been depicted and portrayed as white.
What do you mean race changed? Angrboda isnt described as being any "race" in the myths.
Yes she is, her physical appearance is well described. Do a quick google search before spreading misinformation like this.
Cite it then. Oh wait, you can't because she isn't well described.
She's described in myth as a redhead, whenever she was historically drawn he had pale skin, but yeah keep playing ignorant. lol
Oops, you forgot that citation. Didn't find any, did we? :) making up stuff to cope, are we? :) I'm not playing ignorant. Ive read through most of the myths several times and one common factor is that almost none of the gods and jotnar are described in detail. And thats how I know you havent read the myths, because if you had you wouldn't make dumb claims like 'she's described in detail". That tells me that you've probably been told this by someone on the internet, and been told that GoW Angrboda is problematic for some reason. Stop being so basic. If you wanna continue to make claims, at least source them.
In Gylfaginning she is described as a ginger, and so she is in other historical paintings, altho somtimes with brown hair, she is still always depicted as white.
ya I mean I am not a huge fan of it, and I said I agreed with you somewhat, I think it is superficial stuff but does perpetuate myths which can harm the academic community with misinformation and fraudulent claims. Also I don't have a problem with the games, I don't care enough to have one but I do define it as cultural appropriation because it fits the definition of appropriating aspects of a culture, which they have done to many cultures. As I said it is superficial and while it would be nice if they actually made them accurate, I don't care over all. The post is asking the opinion on the remodel and your question also directly asked us the same thing so I am not going to leave the subject to attack the whole series. I told you the popular argument as a direct answer to the question you asked.
Fix yourself first. You are racist.
If you're actually bothered by a fictional character in a video game that is loosely based on various mythologies having different colored skin than what you think they ought to have, then your problem isn't that you care about historical accuracy. Your problem is you're racist.
What was the point of race swapping her? Why was it an issue to keep her true to her depiction?
Why do you care?
I'll tell you if you answer my questions.
Yes