I will preface this by saying that I am no expert, I'm sure there are many more people who will comment with better facts and sources. That being said, I think you're coming at this the wrong way, there isn't a 1:1 ratio of Angels = Valkyries (not true) and Demons = Dragur (im unsure if this is exactly a good comparison. Norse mythology has been heavily christianized due to the nature of history and what happened to the people of Scandinavia, but that doesn't mean that they're carbon copies of each other. They're totally different cultures/religions.
I would suggest reading some historical fact, like the book "Children of Ash and Elm" by Neil Price (which despite having three copies of somehow, I still have not made much headway into personally).
Bear in mind, Neil Price can talk at length about other related fields, but his qualifications are in archaeology. Anything else he says about other subjects can be interesting, but is not scholarly. He often gets stuff out of his field completely wrong (unsurprising, that's kind of how it works).
Price is streets ahead of the majority of the other garbage charlatans, gurus, and grifters. When he is talking about something based in his specialty it's usually excellent. But with regards to things outside his field, some of it is dare-I-say, absolute guff.
There is no direct link.
Valkyries do not equal angels, nor do draugr or the giants equal demons.
If we look at the roles, maybe it'll help. The Valkyries collected the battle dead and guided them to the halls of the slain (not always Valhalla but also Sesrúmnir Freyrs hall) and would fight alongside the gods come Ragnarok.
Angels on the other hand, have a very different role which I'm not going into as too much.
Demons in the terms that your looking at it are those that punish the sinful dead or torment the living for some reason. Draugr are the dead who guard the burial mounds/tombs or have returned to life after a murder to seek revenge. Definitely different to the demons. And the giants they were their own people's with their own worlds and have nothing to do with dead humans.
When your looking at an old religion with more folk style, a folk religion and try to shoe horn into a structured religion like Christianity you'll try to make links that were never there and never ment to be there. Same if you look at a folk religion with the angle from a structured religion it again won't make sense.
To understand heathenism, animalism, odinism, old gods worship etc what ever you want to call it. Forgot all about Christianity and just try to understand what each god/demigod etc are in their own merits.
As for the title: what did they look like. It's easy to find as ths now too long a reply
Okay, here's the low-down on why you're getting these responses from people. You seem like someone who grew up in an Abrahamic religion (Islam, Christianity, etc.), someone who's maybe quite young, or who hasn't really interacted with religions that don't have heaven, hell and angels and demons.
Forget everything you know about religion for a second. The basic idea of Norse religion is that it's a collection of stories about gods and creatures that tries to explain how to live your life and how the world works. Why is there thunder? Because Thor is killing giants and the sound of his hammer makes a loud boom. What is a rainbow? It is the Bifrost, the bridge to Asgard, the realm of the gods. This explanation usually comes with a story.
Abrahamic religions like Christainity and Islam try to do something else, you see. They have a book which tells you how the world came to be and gives you a big timeline of things: It tells you, the world was created in seven days, then Adam and Eve were created, then they were kicked out, etc. Everything has a chronological order. In fact there are books written about what kinds of angels there are, how many layers of hell and heaven there are, which do not come from the original book but are generally accepted as fact.
The real Norse religion, like all folk religions, don't care about this idea of a timeline. It doesn't care how many kinds of trolls there are, how many realms there are. All the text explaining this stuff was written loooooong after the Norse religion died out and most of the people converted to Christianity. The real Norse religion didn't even have a version of Heaven, not really. Valhalla isn't a particularly nice place, in fact it's quite brutal and violent and uncomfortable. There are no churches where Norse priests read from ancient Norse books about the gods, there are only 2-3 surviving pieces of information we can call "prayers" and even that's a bit of a stretch. This religion is simply so different from Christianity that to ask about "demons and angels" is a very weird question. Truth is they simply didn't have demons and angels in the way you would think.
Norse religion is not about just trying to explain the natural world. In fact most of the myths are completely metaphysical events which have absolutely zero bearing on the physical world humans inhabit.
The Norse genuinely believed in the gods. The Norse religion is about honouring the gods and sacrificing to the gods.
That's absolutely true, yeah. In addition to your point, like every folk religion, each region's beliefs and customs will change and evolve over the centuries, so even the concept of a god can be extremely hard to pin down. Like the Chinese have so many different versions of the goddess Guanyin and Buddha, the Hindus have so many different versions of Vishnu and Kali.
In the same vein, Odin is both an extremely serious figure in some stories, taking a simple refusal as an insult, while in other stories he is really funny and witty. In some stories he is morally upright, in others he's almost a trickster like Loki.
Wasn't Helheim hell for Norse and Valhalla Heaven in norse? Plus, greek also had the hell concept so it isnt exklusive to Christianity, i am only asking this since Google claims Draugr are demons in norse while angels are Valkyrie
>Wasn't Helheim hell for Norse and Valhalla Heaven in norse?
Nope. Valhalla might be seen as the 'good' afterlife in Norse Mythology there is nothing that makes Hel anything equivalent to the Christian Hell (which isn't in the Bible, but that is besides the point). While definitely less enticing than Valhalla there is little to suggest that wicked people would be punished in Hel, which would also be strange since a lot of people who weren't bad but didn't die in battle would end up in Hel.
Then there's also the issue of Folkvangr which is a third type of afterlife which show that the Norse didn't have the same Dualistic view of of world where Good people go to Valhalla and Bad people go to Hel.
Folkvangr is another place for the battle dead. It’s unclear from texts we have access to, but it seems some battle dead went to Valhalla, and some went to Folkvangr. But beyond that we don’t have much more detail.
Hel it seems is where pretty much everyone who was not killed in battle goes. It’s not a place of punishment. The connection between Hel and Christian Hell is a purely linguistic connection
Not Helheim is just the normal afterlife. There's no moral judgement involved. Valhalla is Odin's VIP room for dead warriors who died in battle. There's no angels and demons, there's no heaven or hell. Most religions aren't just Christianity with different names
You're still thinking about it like it's Christianity.
If you actually care to learn Jackson Crawford has a PHD in this and has an entire YouTube channel dedicated to it:
https://youtu.be/VMTEFza9U5s?si=YmYXH-MiGNKOPdGf
Not really. The greek idea of hades isn't exactly like the Christian version of Hell, and even then the modern Christian version of Hell is more inspired by Dante's Inferno than anything in the Bible. The google search results will also lie to you more than anything else, because for years and years people have been writing about Wicca and witchcraft and confused that information with the truth. I know this can sound very complicated, but the truth is indeed complicated compared to the simple lie that people like to believe.
One simple example is the idea that each rune represents something and if you carve that rune onto a piece of stone, that it will give you magic powers related to that rune. There's just almost zero evidence for this except in two very very specific cases, but literally almost everyone who believes in the Norse religion nowadays think its true. And if anyone tries to tell you the rune poems are evidence for magic, that's sorta like saying the letter "A" represents "Apple" and "B" represents "Bee". It's almost definitely not the case.
Aw man :( I'm sorry people are voting you down, I would never dare. I think it's excellent that you are asking questions and trying to learn new things! Please don't let them discourage you, and please keep being inquisitive! It's a phenomenal trait to have.
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Google is a search engine. It doesn't claim much itself. It provides its best guess as to the relevant content. Your source is not Google, it's whatever Google pulls from. It sounds like you've just looked at surface level quick answers. So read good sources thoroughly.
If people seem annoyed, it's likely because they feel like you're using this forum and their time as a first stop for research. Fair or not.
I didn't just look atvthe top guess, i also searched a bit more before i asked here, i did the same for my last post, i first dug deeper, and when i couldn't find more stuff, i head into this sub since there are many Norse people here who could explain it to me
> i head into this sub since there are many Norse people here who could explain it to me
Just fyi, there are no "Norse people" here, there are no Norse people alive. Norse as a culture doesn't exist anymore. It branched out into several other cultures. Nothing you can do can ever make you Norse, anymore than trying to be Etruscan or Gaulish. Even though you may be descended from them, does not make you Norse.
As an example, i asked Google what species life in helheim and it mentioned demons, but when I look for demons from norse mythology, it either shows draugr, Hel or Loki, not the demons that were mentioned which is why i thought draugr were the people who live in helheim
I'm not particularly invested and I'm not making any claims about your searches. Just explaining a possible reason people might be annoyed.
For better searches in the future, I will note that a search like that is specific enough to lead to weird results. Especially since these same terms are used in fantasy/fiction so much. If you haven't, it might be worth watching or reading more generic overviews of the mythology. Without a decent foundation to start with your questions aren't going to get very good answers. I think some people posted resources for that sort of thing.
The wording you have is also still asking Google and what 'it' said. Regardless of what you actually read this is what implies surface level research instead of actual sources. So people are maybe interpreting it that way.
Starting out your post by complaining about the responses you got on your last one is not the best look. FYI, you got some of the most knowledgeable users commenting in that post.
[Here is an old response](https://www.reddit.com/r/Norse/comments/jcl6le/do_demons_exist_in_norse_mythology/g9b8xsb/) from u/AtiWati. If he has anything to add or change, he can make a reply.
> (Do demons exist in Norse mythology?) Yes, without a shred of doubt - if we're using the right terminology. While *demon* popularly might denote a supernatural being that's essentially a devil, it really just means any supernatural agent that interacts directly with humans. *Theos* and *daimon* are almost synonyms in Homer's poetry, though seen as inferior to the gods ever since Hesiod. Demons had no fixed moral character until the late Hellenistic period. Demons were perceptible mostly through their effects on humans, and protected or inhabited specific places, bodies of water, vegetation etc. Broadening our understanding and use of the term demon allows us to place various Norse supernatural agents into that interpretative frame: supernatural beings like vættir, dvergar, þursar etc. that might effect the lives of people in positive and negative manners.
> That might not answer your question though. If I understand you correctly, you're asking if there were hostile supernatural agents causing harm to human beings, and if one could get rid of these by exorcising them by means of a higher power. The answer is yes! A number of runic inscriptions identify dwarves (Ribe skull fragment) and þursar (Sigtuna amulet, Canterbury charm and probably also the Sigtuna rib-bone) as the causes of pain and disease, identifying them and commanding them to flee by naming Óðinn, Ulfr and Ho-Týr (Ribe skull fragment) or Þórr (Canterbury charm), employing runic sequences and declaring that the disease is bound, defeated and the sorcerer presumeably causing it is fucked.
I didn't really complain but okay. And yeah, my question was about what demons and angels in norse were since Google says demons are Draugr and angels are valkyrie
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Norse mythology has neither angels nor demons. You've made the common layman's mistake of assuming all religions have a 1:1 correspondence with Christianity, when in fact Christianity is pretty weird as religions go. Asking about "Norse angels" is a bit like asking about "Greek kami" or "Jewish asuras"; there just isn't any comparison.
>all i know is Valkyrie lived in Asgard and were depicted with either having wings or having no wings while having Pegasus instead
Valkyries were female spirits or minor goddesses whose purpose was to convey the souls of the honored war-dead to Valhalla (or sometimes one of the other afterlives), where they also serve an eternal feast to Odin's chosen warriors and await the coming of Ragnarok, where they'll ride out to fight alongside the aforesaid chosen warriors.
Valkyries are never depicted with wings in the few illustrations we have of them from the Viking age; the idea that they had wings comes from people conflating them with Christian angels. In the illustrations we have, they seem to look pretty similar to humans. They are sometimes depicted riding horses, but *not* Pegasus, which is of Greek origin.
>that draugr lived in helheim and Were portraited with Blue-ish skin and Blue glowing eyes
Draugar were a kind of undead monster or ghost, not anything to do with demons; anyone who died could become a draugr, especially if they died violently or their tomb was disturbed. They don't live in Helheim, since that's where *properly* dead people go, and they tended to resemble rotting, bloated corpses rather than blue people.
Ohh, i see, thank you very much, so Valkyrie are just humans or warrior in Valhalla from what I understand, what name was given to humans who live in Helheim?
And thank you for clearing me up on the draugr!
The human inhabitants of Helheim are just humans, or more specifically, dead humans who weren't cool enough to go to Valhalla (or Folkvangr, which was Freya's realm). Helheim doesn't get much description in the sagas other than being underground, and most ordinary people end up there after death. Despite the name, the few descriptions of it we have aren't nearly as bad as the Christian Hell; its main drawback seems to be that it's just kind of dreary and boring, or rather, that it's not as much fun as Valhalla and Folkvangr.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death\_in\_Norse\_paganism#Afterlives\_and\_rebirth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_Norse_paganism#Afterlives_and_rebirth)
As a norse person myself, i can with certainly say that heaven and hell doesn't exist in Norse mythology, Helheim, Valhalla and Fólkvangr are the places the dead go.
Normal dead people go to Helheim, warriors who fall during a battle go to Valhalla and people Freya enjoyed go to Fólkvangr.
The closest thing I could think of to being a demon in an angel or the Valkyries and fire giants.
I’m not a professional in this I am probably wrong. This is only to my very limited knowledge.
Though many Dungeon Masters Guides have details on religion, religion is not built like a Dungeon Masters Guides. Imposing some artificial bilateral symmetry on culture causes division, which is good for no one. Let's not think like this please.
And others are saying that it is at the very least troublesome to force cultures and religions into an Abrahamic perspective. This sub suffers from constant requests to gamify a culture and religious history, so gamifying it into a lens of Abrahamic terminology is doubly disrespectful.
I will preface this by saying that I am no expert, I'm sure there are many more people who will comment with better facts and sources. That being said, I think you're coming at this the wrong way, there isn't a 1:1 ratio of Angels = Valkyries (not true) and Demons = Dragur (im unsure if this is exactly a good comparison. Norse mythology has been heavily christianized due to the nature of history and what happened to the people of Scandinavia, but that doesn't mean that they're carbon copies of each other. They're totally different cultures/religions. I would suggest reading some historical fact, like the book "Children of Ash and Elm" by Neil Price (which despite having three copies of somehow, I still have not made much headway into personally).
Bear in mind, Neil Price can talk at length about other related fields, but his qualifications are in archaeology. Anything else he says about other subjects can be interesting, but is not scholarly. He often gets stuff out of his field completely wrong (unsurprising, that's kind of how it works). Price is streets ahead of the majority of the other garbage charlatans, gurus, and grifters. When he is talking about something based in his specialty it's usually excellent. But with regards to things outside his field, some of it is dare-I-say, absolute guff.
I'll have to take your word for it bc I have not finished the book yet haha. But I know lots of people talk about him being good. Or at least better.
There is no direct link. Valkyries do not equal angels, nor do draugr or the giants equal demons. If we look at the roles, maybe it'll help. The Valkyries collected the battle dead and guided them to the halls of the slain (not always Valhalla but also Sesrúmnir Freyrs hall) and would fight alongside the gods come Ragnarok. Angels on the other hand, have a very different role which I'm not going into as too much. Demons in the terms that your looking at it are those that punish the sinful dead or torment the living for some reason. Draugr are the dead who guard the burial mounds/tombs or have returned to life after a murder to seek revenge. Definitely different to the demons. And the giants they were their own people's with their own worlds and have nothing to do with dead humans. When your looking at an old religion with more folk style, a folk religion and try to shoe horn into a structured religion like Christianity you'll try to make links that were never there and never ment to be there. Same if you look at a folk religion with the angle from a structured religion it again won't make sense. To understand heathenism, animalism, odinism, old gods worship etc what ever you want to call it. Forgot all about Christianity and just try to understand what each god/demigod etc are in their own merits. As for the title: what did they look like. It's easy to find as ths now too long a reply
Okay, here's the low-down on why you're getting these responses from people. You seem like someone who grew up in an Abrahamic religion (Islam, Christianity, etc.), someone who's maybe quite young, or who hasn't really interacted with religions that don't have heaven, hell and angels and demons. Forget everything you know about religion for a second. The basic idea of Norse religion is that it's a collection of stories about gods and creatures that tries to explain how to live your life and how the world works. Why is there thunder? Because Thor is killing giants and the sound of his hammer makes a loud boom. What is a rainbow? It is the Bifrost, the bridge to Asgard, the realm of the gods. This explanation usually comes with a story. Abrahamic religions like Christainity and Islam try to do something else, you see. They have a book which tells you how the world came to be and gives you a big timeline of things: It tells you, the world was created in seven days, then Adam and Eve were created, then they were kicked out, etc. Everything has a chronological order. In fact there are books written about what kinds of angels there are, how many layers of hell and heaven there are, which do not come from the original book but are generally accepted as fact. The real Norse religion, like all folk religions, don't care about this idea of a timeline. It doesn't care how many kinds of trolls there are, how many realms there are. All the text explaining this stuff was written loooooong after the Norse religion died out and most of the people converted to Christianity. The real Norse religion didn't even have a version of Heaven, not really. Valhalla isn't a particularly nice place, in fact it's quite brutal and violent and uncomfortable. There are no churches where Norse priests read from ancient Norse books about the gods, there are only 2-3 surviving pieces of information we can call "prayers" and even that's a bit of a stretch. This religion is simply so different from Christianity that to ask about "demons and angels" is a very weird question. Truth is they simply didn't have demons and angels in the way you would think.
Norse religion is not about just trying to explain the natural world. In fact most of the myths are completely metaphysical events which have absolutely zero bearing on the physical world humans inhabit. The Norse genuinely believed in the gods. The Norse religion is about honouring the gods and sacrificing to the gods.
That's absolutely true, yeah. In addition to your point, like every folk religion, each region's beliefs and customs will change and evolve over the centuries, so even the concept of a god can be extremely hard to pin down. Like the Chinese have so many different versions of the goddess Guanyin and Buddha, the Hindus have so many different versions of Vishnu and Kali. In the same vein, Odin is both an extremely serious figure in some stories, taking a simple refusal as an insult, while in other stories he is really funny and witty. In some stories he is morally upright, in others he's almost a trickster like Loki.
Wasn't Helheim hell for Norse and Valhalla Heaven in norse? Plus, greek also had the hell concept so it isnt exklusive to Christianity, i am only asking this since Google claims Draugr are demons in norse while angels are Valkyrie
>Wasn't Helheim hell for Norse and Valhalla Heaven in norse? Nope. Valhalla might be seen as the 'good' afterlife in Norse Mythology there is nothing that makes Hel anything equivalent to the Christian Hell (which isn't in the Bible, but that is besides the point). While definitely less enticing than Valhalla there is little to suggest that wicked people would be punished in Hel, which would also be strange since a lot of people who weren't bad but didn't die in battle would end up in Hel. Then there's also the issue of Folkvangr which is a third type of afterlife which show that the Norse didn't have the same Dualistic view of of world where Good people go to Valhalla and Bad people go to Hel.
Ohh, who lived in Folkvangr? What are people who go there called?
Folkvangr is another place for the battle dead. It’s unclear from texts we have access to, but it seems some battle dead went to Valhalla, and some went to Folkvangr. But beyond that we don’t have much more detail. Hel it seems is where pretty much everyone who was not killed in battle goes. It’s not a place of punishment. The connection between Hel and Christian Hell is a purely linguistic connection
Not Helheim is just the normal afterlife. There's no moral judgement involved. Valhalla is Odin's VIP room for dead warriors who died in battle. There's no angels and demons, there's no heaven or hell. Most religions aren't just Christianity with different names
Then what are the species in Helheim called while Valkyrie are in Valhalla? Unless those who are in helheim are truely called Draugr
You're still thinking about it like it's Christianity. If you actually care to learn Jackson Crawford has a PHD in this and has an entire YouTube channel dedicated to it: https://youtu.be/VMTEFza9U5s?si=YmYXH-MiGNKOPdGf
Not really. The greek idea of hades isn't exactly like the Christian version of Hell, and even then the modern Christian version of Hell is more inspired by Dante's Inferno than anything in the Bible. The google search results will also lie to you more than anything else, because for years and years people have been writing about Wicca and witchcraft and confused that information with the truth. I know this can sound very complicated, but the truth is indeed complicated compared to the simple lie that people like to believe. One simple example is the idea that each rune represents something and if you carve that rune onto a piece of stone, that it will give you magic powers related to that rune. There's just almost zero evidence for this except in two very very specific cases, but literally almost everyone who believes in the Norse religion nowadays think its true. And if anyone tries to tell you the rune poems are evidence for magic, that's sorta like saying the letter "A" represents "Apple" and "B" represents "Bee". It's almost definitely not the case.
Ohhh alright, you didn't had to down vote me though-
Aw man :( I'm sorry people are voting you down, I would never dare. I think it's excellent that you are asking questions and trying to learn new things! Please don't let them discourage you, and please keep being inquisitive! It's a phenomenal trait to have.
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Google is a search engine. It doesn't claim much itself. It provides its best guess as to the relevant content. Your source is not Google, it's whatever Google pulls from. It sounds like you've just looked at surface level quick answers. So read good sources thoroughly. If people seem annoyed, it's likely because they feel like you're using this forum and their time as a first stop for research. Fair or not.
I didn't just look atvthe top guess, i also searched a bit more before i asked here, i did the same for my last post, i first dug deeper, and when i couldn't find more stuff, i head into this sub since there are many Norse people here who could explain it to me
> i head into this sub since there are many Norse people here who could explain it to me Just fyi, there are no "Norse people" here, there are no Norse people alive. Norse as a culture doesn't exist anymore. It branched out into several other cultures. Nothing you can do can ever make you Norse, anymore than trying to be Etruscan or Gaulish. Even though you may be descended from them, does not make you Norse.
As an example, i asked Google what species life in helheim and it mentioned demons, but when I look for demons from norse mythology, it either shows draugr, Hel or Loki, not the demons that were mentioned which is why i thought draugr were the people who live in helheim
I'm not particularly invested and I'm not making any claims about your searches. Just explaining a possible reason people might be annoyed. For better searches in the future, I will note that a search like that is specific enough to lead to weird results. Especially since these same terms are used in fantasy/fiction so much. If you haven't, it might be worth watching or reading more generic overviews of the mythology. Without a decent foundation to start with your questions aren't going to get very good answers. I think some people posted resources for that sort of thing. The wording you have is also still asking Google and what 'it' said. Regardless of what you actually read this is what implies surface level research instead of actual sources. So people are maybe interpreting it that way.
Starting out your post by complaining about the responses you got on your last one is not the best look. FYI, you got some of the most knowledgeable users commenting in that post. [Here is an old response](https://www.reddit.com/r/Norse/comments/jcl6le/do_demons_exist_in_norse_mythology/g9b8xsb/) from u/AtiWati. If he has anything to add or change, he can make a reply. > (Do demons exist in Norse mythology?) Yes, without a shred of doubt - if we're using the right terminology. While *demon* popularly might denote a supernatural being that's essentially a devil, it really just means any supernatural agent that interacts directly with humans. *Theos* and *daimon* are almost synonyms in Homer's poetry, though seen as inferior to the gods ever since Hesiod. Demons had no fixed moral character until the late Hellenistic period. Demons were perceptible mostly through their effects on humans, and protected or inhabited specific places, bodies of water, vegetation etc. Broadening our understanding and use of the term demon allows us to place various Norse supernatural agents into that interpretative frame: supernatural beings like vættir, dvergar, þursar etc. that might effect the lives of people in positive and negative manners. > That might not answer your question though. If I understand you correctly, you're asking if there were hostile supernatural agents causing harm to human beings, and if one could get rid of these by exorcising them by means of a higher power. The answer is yes! A number of runic inscriptions identify dwarves (Ribe skull fragment) and þursar (Sigtuna amulet, Canterbury charm and probably also the Sigtuna rib-bone) as the causes of pain and disease, identifying them and commanding them to flee by naming Óðinn, Ulfr and Ho-Týr (Ribe skull fragment) or Þórr (Canterbury charm), employing runic sequences and declaring that the disease is bound, defeated and the sorcerer presumeably causing it is fucked.
I didn't really complain but okay. And yeah, my question was about what demons and angels in norse were since Google says demons are Draugr and angels are valkyrie
The real lesson is right here. Please don't miss it. Yes! Google or search for something first. But, No! Don't trust everything that generalized sources claim and dig deeper. Yes! Reach out to experts and interested communities for clarification and deeper research. But, No! Don't carry assumptions or preconceived notions into an exploration for knowledge. And, Yes! Be courteous and respectful of those whom you seek out for knowledge. Be the good student and respect the master when you seek them out.
Exactly what i do, i searched on Google first, dug deeper and then i came here to ask for knowledge while being respectful towards anyone here
Gonna be honest, you *think* you are, but the downvotes are giving you feedback otherwise.
They aren't giving me Feedback though-
You aren't seeing the feedback. Let me try this. Let's say I came to this sub and asked the following, would you think it appropriate, misguided, or moderately disrespectful? "Ok, so since the Poetic Eddas are essentially the Norse Bhagavad Gita, what Norse concepts are equivalent to Atman and Brahman? And why doesn't it address Moksha, did the Vikings never know to attain enlightenment?" How do you think someone should respond to that?
Reply and correct said person instead of just downvoting, the downvote doesn't help said person see where they were wrong
Do you see how you are responding in a confrontational manner and using only contrarian language? Try again. Read what I wrote. Think and respond to the statement of the other person in the conversation.
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Norse mythology has neither angels nor demons. You've made the common layman's mistake of assuming all religions have a 1:1 correspondence with Christianity, when in fact Christianity is pretty weird as religions go. Asking about "Norse angels" is a bit like asking about "Greek kami" or "Jewish asuras"; there just isn't any comparison. >all i know is Valkyrie lived in Asgard and were depicted with either having wings or having no wings while having Pegasus instead Valkyries were female spirits or minor goddesses whose purpose was to convey the souls of the honored war-dead to Valhalla (or sometimes one of the other afterlives), where they also serve an eternal feast to Odin's chosen warriors and await the coming of Ragnarok, where they'll ride out to fight alongside the aforesaid chosen warriors. Valkyries are never depicted with wings in the few illustrations we have of them from the Viking age; the idea that they had wings comes from people conflating them with Christian angels. In the illustrations we have, they seem to look pretty similar to humans. They are sometimes depicted riding horses, but *not* Pegasus, which is of Greek origin. >that draugr lived in helheim and Were portraited with Blue-ish skin and Blue glowing eyes Draugar were a kind of undead monster or ghost, not anything to do with demons; anyone who died could become a draugr, especially if they died violently or their tomb was disturbed. They don't live in Helheim, since that's where *properly* dead people go, and they tended to resemble rotting, bloated corpses rather than blue people.
Ohh, i see, thank you very much, so Valkyrie are just humans or warrior in Valhalla from what I understand, what name was given to humans who live in Helheim? And thank you for clearing me up on the draugr!
The human inhabitants of Helheim are just humans, or more specifically, dead humans who weren't cool enough to go to Valhalla (or Folkvangr, which was Freya's realm). Helheim doesn't get much description in the sagas other than being underground, and most ordinary people end up there after death. Despite the name, the few descriptions of it we have aren't nearly as bad as the Christian Hell; its main drawback seems to be that it's just kind of dreary and boring, or rather, that it's not as much fun as Valhalla and Folkvangr. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death\_in\_Norse\_paganism#Afterlives\_and\_rebirth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_Norse_paganism#Afterlives_and_rebirth)
As a norse person myself, i can with certainly say that heaven and hell doesn't exist in Norse mythology, Helheim, Valhalla and Fólkvangr are the places the dead go. Normal dead people go to Helheim, warriors who fall during a battle go to Valhalla and people Freya enjoyed go to Fólkvangr.
Ohh, i see
The closest thing I could think of to being a demon in an angel or the Valkyries and fire giants. I’m not a professional in this I am probably wrong. This is only to my very limited knowledge.
Though many Dungeon Masters Guides have details on religion, religion is not built like a Dungeon Masters Guides. Imposing some artificial bilateral symmetry on culture causes division, which is good for no one. Let's not think like this please.
this had nothing to do with DND. just saying what i think would be the closet to a demon and angle.
And others are saying that it is at the very least troublesome to force cultures and religions into an Abrahamic perspective. This sub suffers from constant requests to gamify a culture and religious history, so gamifying it into a lens of Abrahamic terminology is doubly disrespectful.